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I talked about this here:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...h-increased-ANE-admixture?p=425604#post425604
Hope:The alcohol dependence and ANE admix map are actaully surprising and they do seem to make the correlation you suggest.
Research with mice have shown that a mutation in the gene Gabrb1 [ and associated receptors ] affects the preference for, and excessive drinking of, alcohol.
Here is a link for any readers who may not have yet seen it:
http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/newsandev...-2013-15-15-35
It is not a cause, it is just correlation. You can also correlate alcoholism with blond hair in Europe and pail skin, but only among Europeans. The true cause is hunter gatherer genes and predisposition. To see true effect check American Natives and Australian Aborigines for the best correlation of HGs and alcoholism. They don't have blue eyes, do they?This makes sense historically: northern European peoples drank much more than southern Europeans and Middle Eastern people. For example, the Celts, Germans, and Slavs were notorious for drinking excessively. However Spaniards, southern French, Italians, Greeks, Jews and Arabs do not drink much alcohol!! During the Roman times and into the Middle Ages the Celts and Germans were considered drunkards. But why would eye color determine this??? Would a very long term use of alcohol create a dependency in the genes or alter the genes?
However Spaniards, southern French, Italians, Greeks, Jews and Arabs do not drink much alcohol!!
This is a rather strange claim, considering that the peoples you have mentioned (except Muslim Arabs, for religious reasons) consume huge amounts of wine, an alcoholic beverage that is deeply ingrained in Mediterranean cultures since ancient times. Also, the distillation of fermented alcoholic liquids like wine to obtain stronger concentrations of alcohol developed first in the Middle Ages around the Mediterranean (Near East, North Africa, southern Europe), not northern Europe.
Once you get your information from a pseudo-scientific genealogy website like 23andme, you have already lost the argument...What is so strange about that? Of course Spaniards, Italians, French, and other Mediterranean peoples drink a lot of wine, but their wine is less potent and they dont abuse it like the North and East of Europe. Besides in the North and East drink more distilled spirits than wine.
Take a look at this:
There is a correlation between extroverted persons and drinking less alcohol. This is form a study made by 23andMe
What is so strange about that? Of course Spaniards, Italians, French, and other Mediterranean peoples drink a lot of wine, but their wine is less potent and they dont abuse it like the North and East of Europe. Besides in the North and East they drink more distilled spirits than wine.
Take a look at this:
There is a correlation between extraverted persons and drinking less alcohol. This is form a study made by 23andMe:http://blog.23andme.com/23andme-research/genes-and-geography/
It would be worth studying.Would a very long term use of alcohol create a dependency in the genes or alter the genes?
Drinking wine with food as a regular meal habit wouldn't lead to alcoholism, I believe. I think having "liquid ( whisky?)" breakfast or lunch would be a sign of an alcohol. Look at actors who were blond and blue-eyed like Troy Donahue and Sandra Dee were alcoholics.
It would be worth studying.
If one looks at ancient times, say HG times (especially Northern Europe, Baltic Sea area), there wasn't much food especially winter. Also they fermented mead (found that out in the article on 'Games of Throne' mead of water and honey). I previously thought mead was a milk and honey mixed liquid. So drinking alcoholic mead and fresh meat or fish were probably the main course. I don't think they ate much vegetables and certainly no bread till the farmers came around. One can see that alcoholic mead being a staple refreshing drink and custom.
Here is how much beer is consumed in Europe by nations:
If we are more precise in our terms and combine the North and North East into "Northern Europe" and include beer then we can definitely see the North drinks more than the South of Europe.
Here is the wine study:
Below are the top twenty countries from the Wine Institute's study. The United States comes in at 56th, drinking 10.42 liters, or just under 14 bottles, per capita in 2012.
Business Insider/Andy Kiersz, data from the Wine InstituteRead more: http://www.businessinsider.com/map-world-wine-consumption-2012-2014-3#ixzz3f92uJqSg
Only Switzerland is in the top ten (if you can include it as a "Northern" country).
Wow, they drink a lot in Vatican city.
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