R1b mystery

Hi! I am not a guy but I had the y chromosome recently tested on my brother. It said he was R1b. We are trying to narrow down at least the surname of my father's unknown father (and my parents and I already did test with ancestry.com). I have lots of clues but seems like his y chromosome line may have come through Canada and before that Northwestern Ireland.

He did he 44 marker test. I am having his subclade tested now but seems to me he has a very common R1b subclade in Ireland (from what I have read). Does anyone know how to tell?

Also what are some good places for me to post his results? (to get any possible clues for my unknown paternal grandpa?). Thanks

DYS19a 14
DYS385a 11
DYS385b 12
DYS388 12
DYS389i 13
DYS389ii 29
DYS390 24
DYS391 11
DYS392 14
DYS393 13
DYS426 12
DYS437 15
DYS438 12
DYS439 12
DYS442 12
DYS444 11
DYS445 12
DYS447 25
DYS448 18
DYS449 30
DYS452 30
DYS453 11
DYS454 11
DYS455 11
DYS456 17
DYS458 17
DYS459a 9
DYS459b 10
DYS460 11
DYS463 24
DYS464a 15
DYS464b 16
DYS464c 17
DYS468 29
DYS484 13
DYS522 11
DYS527a 19
DYS527b 21
DYS531 11
DYS557 16
DYS588 18
GATAH4 12
YCAIIa 19
YCAIIb 23

Northwestern Ireland is dominated by R1b-L21 men, with a very large subset of those men having the downstream M222 mutation, which is the so-called "Niall of the Nine Hostages" subclade. It looks like you posted Single Tandem Repeat (STR) data, which is more useful for identifying recent ancestors and less useful for identifying subclades, for which you really need Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) results.

Search your father's AncestryDNA test for the following value: rs20321

The row should look something like this:

rs20321 24 14902414 A A

What matters above all is the first value. It must say exactly "rs20321", not "rs2032134" or anything like that.

Post what you find.

RobertColumbia said:

Northwestern Ireland is dominated by R1b-L21 men, with a very large subset of those men having the downstream M222 mutation, which is the so-called "Niall of the Nine Hostages" subclade. It looks like you posted Single Tandem Repeat (STR) data, which is more useful for identifying recent ancestors and less useful for identifying subclades, for which you really need Single Nucleotide Polymorphism (SNP) results.

Search your father's AncestryDNA test for the following value: rs20321

The row should look something like this:

rs20321 24 14902414 A A

What matters above all is the first value. It must say exactly "rs20321", not "rs2032134" or anything like that.

Post what you find.

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Sorry but ancestry.com does not have any y chromosome information on my Dad. My brother is being tested for the subclade and I will let you know the results when it comes back. At first I suspected my Dad's paternal grandfather was of Danish descent but my brother's closest y chromosome links were a bunch of guys with Irish surnames and looking like they might have just come from Ireland. My father is actually darker (since his maternal grandma was ''dark Irish'' that looked Spanish as can be) but my brother does look like he could be Irish I suppose

This is the information that I received. According to what they sent me it is strongest in parts of Spain and Southern Ireland

Genotype: S116

Phenotype: Y-DNA Subclade R1b1a2a1a2
Gene Mutations Tested

P297 Positive R1b1a
L51 Positive R1b1a2a1
L278 Positive R1b1
M335 Negative R1b1b
S127 Positive R1b1a2a1a
S116 Positive R1b1a2a1a2
V88 Negative R1b1c
L23 Positive R1b1a2a
CTS1078 Negative R1b1a2a2
L584 Negative R1b1a2a2a
S21 Negative R1b1a2a1a1
M73 Negative R1b1a1
M269 Positive R1b1a2

I just realized I probably did not order the right thing ):

R1a and R1b connection to the 45th Parallel

If you go to the Home page of eupedia (the host here) and look at Genetics you will find good information on your R1a and R1b haplogroup connection. All R1b have one thing in common red hair. In Genetics click on R1b. There is a menu on the left side. Go to the bottom of the menu and local "Other DNA pages." Scroll down to "Origins of red hair." I think you will find it is very helpful. I believe it will answer some of your questions about R1b.

I tried to send the link but I forgot about vBulletin and 10 posts before links rule.

I forgot to add that R1a is blonde. With a R1b father and a R1a mother (with blonde hair) they had one of each. I have the red hair and my brother is the blonde. The 45th Parallel is very interesting.

chillout789 said:

I just realized I probably did not order the right thing ):

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I actually ordered the correct test but this company told me this is as far as they usually test for (with subclades). The gentleman on the phone did tell me they might rule out additional subclades if I tell them which subcludes I want to rule out. I would like rule out subclades common in Ireland if possible. Can anyone help me with which subclades to ask for?

Thank you

chillout789 said:

This is the information that I received. According to what they sent me it is strongest in parts of Spain and Southern Ireland

Genotype: S116

Phenotype: Y-DNA Subclade R1b1a2a1a2
Gene Mutations Tested

P297 Positive R1b1a
L51 Positive R1b1a2a1
L278 Positive R1b1
M335 Negative R1b1b
S127 Positive R1b1a2a1a
S116 Positive R1b1a2a1a2
V88 Negative R1b1c
L23 Positive R1b1a2a
CTS1078 Negative R1b1a2a2
L584 Negative R1b1a2a2a
S21 Negative R1b1a2a1a1
M73 Negative R1b1a1
M269 Positive R1b1a2

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S116 or P321 is also very common in North Ireland so does not tell you much. In my opinion, if you are trying to identify your paternal grandfather the STRs along with the autosomal you already have on your father are your best course to follow at this time. Have you put the STRs on YSearch and atDNA on Gedmatch yet? Also if need a few additional STRs for comparison with a potential match you can purchase them at YSeq.

Good luck in your search
Mike

linicx said:

With a R1b father and a R1a mother

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