ISIS enshrines a "theology" of rape

I'm sure they'll find the right passages in their wholy book to justifie this.
You can get away with anything with that wholy book. You can bend it anyway you want.
 
I'm sure they'll find the right passages in their wholy book to justifie this.
You can get away with anything with that wholy book. You can bend it anyway you want.

Did you feel the same kind of moral outrage when Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbs were doing the same things to Bosnian Muslim women? (and others?)

Just wondering.
 
I'm getting a conflicting view, apparently rape is a capital crime
http://islam.about.com/od/crime/f/rape.htm

The story in the OP is about what is happening to Yazidi women and girls.From my limited understanding there is a distinction made between "people of the Book", or Jews and Christians, and polytheists like the Yazidis. The former supposedly have some limited protection to the extent that they are occasionally allowed to buy their freedom, while the latter have no protections at all. In practice I don't think there is always a difference. There are news reports that the American woman captive who was killed in a raid was repeatedly raped by Baghdadi, the head of ISIS.

These practices are as old as time. They can be found enshrined in the holy texts of Europe, as well.

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[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Deuteronomy 21:10-14: "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her [i.e. rape her or engage in consensual sex], and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl1.htm

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[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]In the west, Christianity explicitly over-rides Deuteronomy, but even Orthodox Judaism, through rabbinical interpretation, disallows this kind of behavior. Within Islam, there is no central theological authority from what I can make out. Perhaps some groups in some countries continue to preach that this is permissible behavior. After all, it's known that an SSA slave trade, mainly in women, still exists. Or, perhaps, the ISIS people are merely reviving it. I don't know and I don't see that it much matters. Given the proclivities of certain men it seems to be working as an effective recruiting strategy. It can't be known only to people who have been involved in criminal jurisprudence that there is a huge international market for sex with underage girls, in particular. Just look at the amount of sex tourism there is in countries like Thailand. Of course, those men prefer to buy it than fight for it.

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Did you feel the same kind of moral outrage when Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbs were doing the same things to Bosnian Muslim women? (and others?)

Just wondering.

OMG you still live in that CIA world of lies :)
 
Did you feel the same kind of moral outrage when Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbs were doing the same things to Bosnian Muslim women? (and others?)

Just wondering.

ritual rape? slavery? public executions which the whole community is forced to watch? the ambition to conquer and rule all over the world?

I think there is a different dimension here.

terrible things happened in former Yugoslavia, but it was not quite what is happening now
it is very naïve to reduce worldwide muslim fundamentalism to just something similar to these local conflicts
 
Did you feel the same kind of moral outrage when Eastern Orthodox Christian Serbs were doing the same things to Bosnian Muslim women? (and others?)

Just wondering.

I felt ashamed about Europe, who didn't do anything
American troops had to come in to solve a problem inside Europe
 
The story in the OP is about what is happening to Yazidi women and girls.From my limited understanding there is a distinction made between "people of the Book", or Jews and Christians, and polytheists like the Yazidis. The former supposedly have some limited protection to the extent that they are occasionally allowed to buy their freedom, while the latter have no protections at all. In practice I don't think there is always a difference. There are news reports that the American woman captive who was killed in a raid was repeatedly raped by Baghdadi, the head of ISIS.

These practices are as old as time. They can be found enshrined in the holy texts of Europe, as well.

"Deuteronomy 21:10-14: "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her [i.e. rape her or engage in consensual sex], and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her."

http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl1.htm


In the west, Christianity explicitly over-rides Deuteronomy, but even Orthodox Judaism, through rabbinical interpretation, disallows this kind of behavior. Within Islam, there is no central theological authority from what I can make out. Perhaps some groups in some countries continue to preach that this is permissible behavior. After all, it's known that an SSA slave trade, mainly in women, still exists. Or, perhaps, the ISIS people are merely reviving it. I don't know and I don't see that it much matters. Given the proclivities of certain men it seems to be working as an effective recruiting strategy. It can't be known only to people who have been involved in criminal jurisprudence that there is a huge international market for sex with underage girls, in particular. Just look at the amount of sex tourism there is in countries like Thailand. Of course, those men prefer to buy it than fight for it.


it' what I told above

You can get away with anything with that wholy book. You can bend it anyway you want.
 
I felt ashamed about Europe, who didn't do anything
American troops had to come in to solve a problem inside Europe

Without the Americans we would all be under Russian rule.

Mind you, Islamists would eat Europe alive if there were no American bases in Europe.

The people of the older EU countries in particular don't have the stomach for struggle any more and their politicians are weak.

Take your pick, Putin or Isis.
 
Without the Americans we would all be under Russian rule.

Mind you, Islamists would eat Europe alive if there were no American bases in Europe.

The people of the older EU countries in particular don't have the stomach for struggle any more and their politicians are weak.

Take your pick, Putin or Isis.

Exactly the opposite. Americans are making this whole mess, and their whole idea is to insert sleeper cells and destabilize Europe.
 
Exactly the opposite. Americans are making this whole mess, and their whole idea is to insert sleeper cells and destabilize Europe.

so you tell us the war in former Yugoslavia was caused by the Americans

would you care to elaborate that, because it seems i'm missing something
 
Exactly the opposite. Americans are making this whole mess, and their whole idea is to insert sleeper cells and destabilize Europe.

so you tell us the war in former Yugoslavia was caused by the Americans

would you care to elaborate that, because it seems i'm missing something

Yeah, that would be interesting. As an American myself, I never seen anything on the news about the government destabilizing Europe.
Isis loves to cut off our heads and infiltrate our cyber security. We are still a little shaken by 9/11 and the Boston Massacure.

If there any way for us Americans to make the situation better?
 
so you tell us the war in former Yugoslavia was caused by the Americans

would you care to elaborate that, because it seems i'm missing something

He's a little bitter after Americans took his Bosnian slave girl away.
 
I felt ashamed about Europe, who didn't do anything
American troops had to come in to solve a problem inside Europe

It was indeed another sad episode in European history.
 
so you tell us the war in former Yugoslavia was caused by the Americans

would you care to elaborate that, because it seems i'm missing something

Well, I could go on for months, but I'm still not sure that you're not joking here that you didn't know that? Did you read any books on the subject like:

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Agenda-U-S-Takeover-Yugoslavia/dp/0965691675
http://www.amazon.com/Germanys-Conquest-Balkans-Gerald-Flurry-ebook/dp/B00F6DAZLA

or you had just watched western TV channels? Your TV lies you so much it's beyond disgusting. Just considering the rape cases:

You have conclusionfor Bosnia at the end of the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfgtfPVFhU


This one is about Kosovo. That bastard Robin Cook simply lied.
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=167

"Yesterday, Human Rights Watch researcher, Fred Abrahams, was forced to admit in the Hague UK’s former foreign minister Robin Cook also lied when he claimed Serbian forces ran the “rape camp” in Kosovo’s Djakovica, in 1999. Abrahams testified that he was in Kosovo and Metohija in 1998 and 1999, collecting documentation and evidence about human rights violations. He thoroughly investigated Cook’s claims on the ground, but wasn’t able to find any proof for Cook’s accusation, nor a single “rape camp” run by Serbs."



Yeah, that would be interesting. As an American myself, I never seen anything on the news about the government destabilizing Europe.
Isis loves to cut off our heads and infiltrate our cyber security. We are still a little shaken by 9/11 and the Boston Massacure.

If there any way for us Americans to make the situation better?

You can still find decent people on the west, who are not willing to compromise their integrity for the bag of dollars. For example Roland Keith, a Canadian official who served as a monitor for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s Observer mission in Kosovo and Metohija, says: http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/rkeith.htm

1. "This was the penultimate western move to force Yugoslavian compliance to accept the Rambouillet-Paris ultimatum and to surrender its sovereignty."

That was the whole point of Rambouillet plan. If was not about Albanians, human right or anything else logical. It was a plan that meant territorial surrender of SR Yugoslavia. That was before the war. Because Yugoslav officials didn't sign it, NATO begun military offensive to try to enforce it. In the end it settled somewhere in between. Yugoslavia was not occupied by NATO troops, but part of the territory (Kosovo) was given under their control.

What was that about? Just like you would propose a document of surrender to Australia tomorrow, or Argentina. Do you even understand what happened there? As Kissinger said:

Kissinger Rambouilett.jpg

2. Who did the ethnic cleansing?

So, with no desire for further diplomacy, NATO had its war, and only after seventy-eight days of air bombardment was it suspended. Yugoslav forces withdrew from Kosovo, and NATO ground forces occupied the province, establishing a UN- administered protectorate. With the reversal of power, the 800,000 Kosovar refugees, created by the war, returned, supporting the KLA's policy of reverse intimidation and atrocities. This all but ethnically cleansed the majority of the 270,000 Kosovo Serbs and other minorities from the province.

3. etc...


What can you Americans do? Nothing I think so. Destruction of Yugoslavia was just a small step in you Drang Nach Osten policy, and until you admit yourself you're doing it, you can't wake up from the dream.


He's a little bitter after Americans took his Bosnian slave girl away.

And you dude are the most evil person I've ever met. You shoot someone, lie about it, and smile in his face while he's down. Disgusting character...
 
It's all fantasy. These are the facts.

Report from the United Nations War Crimes Tribunal:
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=43752#.VdhkzflvBT8

UN Commission Charges Serbs with Genocide:
http://www.wrmea.org/1994-july-augu...ith-genocide-and-crimes-against-humanity.html

BBC: How Did Rape Become a Weapon of War:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4078677.stm
The article refers to reports by Amnesty International and Medicins Sans Frontiere.

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Gita Sahgal, of Amnesty International, told the BBC News website it was a mistake to think such assaults were primarily about the age-old "spoils of war", or sexual gratification. Rape is often used in ethnic conflicts as a way for attackers to perpetuate their social control and redraw ethnic boundaries, she said. "Women are seen as the reproducers and carers of the community," she said.



"Therefore if one group wants to control another they often do it by impregnating women of the other community because they see it as a way of destroying the opposing community."

A report by Medecins Sans Frontieres says it first came across rape as a weapon in the 1990s.

"In Bosnia systematic rape was used as part of the strategy of ethnic cleansing," it said.
"Women were raped so they could give birth to a Serbian baby."


The report refers to other instances during the India/Pakistan conflict, in Darfur, and in Latin America.

The Independent's Robert Fisk: "The rapes went on day and night".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...en-by-serbian-white-eagle-gunmen-1471656.html

Muslim Women in the Bosnian Crucible:
http://www.swaneehunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/chapter-muslim-women-bosnian-crucible.pdf

You need a strong stomach for this one: Bosnian Death Camps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF-JfhMZJ_Y

Refugees were accepted in the U.S. as well, and depositions were taken to be used by the UN tribunals. Anyone who looked into the eyes and souls of these poor women and girls could see the scars carved by evil.

To deny it happened just adds blasphemy upon blasphemy.

If you look at the source of all those videos made by the deniers you'll see that they're all Serb created. So, even if you ignore the testimony of the soldiers sent in to restore order and stop the genocide, take your choice, do you believe Amnesty, Medicins Sans Frontiere, independent journalists, the UN, countless aid workers from dozens of countries around the world, or men who are part of a community that perpetuated these atrocities? I wonder how many Serbian men from that area age 42 or so and over has clean hands?

The problem for the deniers and apologists is that they left too many victims alive and there were too many witnesses, and this all happened only twenty five years ago. You can speak to the victims, as I have. I guarantee you that any decent person would have trouble sleeping at night after talking to just one of them.
 
The problem for the deniers and apologists is that they left too many victims alive and there were too many witnesses, and this all happened only twenty five years ago. You can speak to the victims, as I have. I guarantee you that any decent person would have trouble sleeping at night after talking to just one of them.

And I have a trouble sleeping while knowing there are so many programmed persons like you in the world.
 
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And I have a trouble sleeping while knowing there are so many programmed persons like you in the world.

I have a suspicious feeling that both Governments/news broadcasts are hiding something in one form or another.

For example, we were never taught in American school that we were massacuring El Salvadorians and yet we got the newly sainted Oscar Romero; martyred by an American Death squad. We were only taught that some Latin American were communists, would you agree Angela?
Perhaps there is a similar phenomenon going on in Europe?

Like my 12th grade history teacher used to say, "history books tend to sugarcoat the ugly sides of history.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/23/americas/el-salvador-archbishop-oscar-romero-beatification/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Óscar_Romero

If you ask me, it ultimately comes down too the question, How can we ferret out the truth?
 
Well, I could go on for months, but I'm still not sure that you're not joking here that you didn't know that? Did you read any books on the subject like:

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Agenda-U-S-Takeover-Yugoslavia/dp/0965691675
http://www.amazon.com/Germanys-Conquest-Balkans-Gerald-Flurry-ebook/dp/B00F6DAZLA

or you had just watched western TV channels? Your TV lies you so much it's beyond disgusting. Just considering the rape cases:

You have conclusionfor Bosnia at the end of the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZfgtfPVFhU


This one is about Kosovo. That bastard Robin Cook simply lied.
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=167

"Yesterday, Human Rights Watch researcher, Fred Abrahams, was forced to admit in the Hague UK’s former foreign minister Robin Cook also lied when he claimed Serbian forces ran the “rape camp” in Kosovo’s Djakovica, in 1999. Abrahams testified that he was in Kosovo and Metohija in 1998 and 1999, collecting documentation and evidence about human rights violations. He thoroughly investigated Cook’s claims on the ground, but wasn’t able to find any proof for Cook’s accusation, nor a single “rape camp” run by Serbs."





You can still find decent people on the west, who are not willing to compromise their integrity for the bag of dollars. For example Roland Keith, a Canadian official who served as a monitor for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s Observer mission in Kosovo and Metohija, says: http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/rkeith.htm

1. "This was the penultimate western move to force Yugoslavian compliance to accept the Rambouillet-Paris ultimatum and to surrender its sovereignty."

That was the whole point of Rambouillet plan. If was not about Albanians, human right or anything else logical. It was a plan that meant territorial surrender of SR Yugoslavia. That was before the war. Because Yugoslav officials didn't sign it, NATO begun military offensive to try to enforce it. In the end it settled somewhere in between. Yugoslavia was not occupied by NATO troops, but part of the territory (Kosovo) was given under their control.

What was that about? Just like you would propose a document of surrender to Australia tomorrow, or Argentina. Do you even understand what happened there? As Kissinger said:

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2. Who did the ethnic cleansing?

So, with no desire for further diplomacy, NATO had its war, and only after seventy-eight days of air bombardment was it suspended. Yugoslav forces withdrew from Kosovo, and NATO ground forces occupied the province, establishing a UN- administered protectorate. With the reversal of power, the 800,000 Kosovar refugees, created by the war, returned, supporting the KLA's policy of reverse intimidation and atrocities. This all but ethnically cleansed the majority of the 270,000 Kosovo Serbs and other minorities from the province.

3. etc...


What can you Americans do? Nothing I think so. Destruction of Yugoslavia was just a small step in you Drang Nach Osten policy, and until you admit yourself you're doing it, you can't wake up from the dream.

what can I say as an outsider?

it was a big mess
there ware athrocities from one side and retalliations from the other side, and then there were all kinds of nationalist fractions fuelling more hatred
yes the Americans left a big mess, but they didn't create it
if they hadn't come in it would have gotten much worse still
cleaning up the whole mess was simply impossible

if I understand well, the situation situation was very complicated before WW I and WW II, mainly due to the Ottomans
yet under Tito there seems to have been pacification

how did that work?
 

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