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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Therehas been a relativeshiftbetween Chalcolithic/Bronze basque country inhabitants and the todayBasques: the today ones show a lot of auDNA of "neoli[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]thic"origin but also something more western and northern, for a part. Notonly what could be seen as an old WHG inheritage of diverse sources(Mesolit[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]h[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]icpopulation and partly Mesolithic doted post-Early Bronze otherpopulations) and a maybe steppic element with some peculiarity: insome admixtures analysis the Basque Country shows a 100% 'gedrosia' /'gedrosia'+'caucasus' components, ratio decreasing from Basquecountry onwards to other today Iberia provinces; it cannot be only acalculator artifice [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]andlinks partly basques to Northwestern today Europeans in the samedirection as DOD 'basque'/'sardinian' ratio[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif];the closer are in the order the Castile-Leon, Catalunia,Castile-Mancha, Aragon, Valencia. the farther: Baleares and Galicia.Very often, Cantabricas shows differences, being close enough forabsolute %s in Y-R1b-S116 but not so close for absolute D[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]F2[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]7%s and relati[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]v[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]e%s D27/S116. I don't see too close relation between the'gedrosia'/'caucasus' ratio and D27/S116 ratio. Nevertheless Y-R1bseems being come for the most from the other side of Pyrenees, andsurely not only with late true Basques from Aquitania, a lot too withI-Eans, vaguely Ligurianlike old-west-european I-Eans and Celtspartly akin to them. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]theReconquista seems having send bearers of Y-R1b-S116 firstly toCastile and then to Andalusia. The lost of 'gedrosia' when leavingN-E Spain could mark the male aspect of recolonization of SouthSpain, ke[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]e[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]pingthe male lignages but not all the auDNA. But the same occurs forother Spain regions, so the male aspect doesn't trace only toreconquista [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]andcould better be linked to post-Chalcolithic introgressions[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif].It's intructive the "new-Basquized" people of Spain Basqueshave less total S116 than old "autochtonous" Basques butproprotionally [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]abit [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]higherratio for D27/S116, so less S116*: here the difference Basque/otherregions is flatter almost 0 (Portuguese have a ratio a bit higherthan the "autochtonous" Basques, as people of Madrid havetoo. The more S116* among tr[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]u[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]eBasques COULD be interpreted as a first step of S116 in North Spainthrough [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]B[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]asquecountry; the new settlements around loose a part of the already rarerS116* old forms and by later demic encreasing favorized the newerDF27? In other parts, as Galicia and Catalunia, the even lower ratioof DF27/S116 seems to me linked to a all horizon larger spectre ofY-R1b with other SNPs as R-U152, arrived there with othercolonizations – [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif](other)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Celts?Ro[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]m[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]ans?Germanics? -. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Q[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]uestion:if there would be an impoverishment of whole Y-R1b-S116 for a whileamong Basques (bottleneck) we would have waited a lost of S116*. Itis not the case [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]COMPAREDto o[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]t[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]herIberians[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif].So I wonder if a [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]numerousenough [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]populationof S116 gave birth to DF27 in France or elswhere not too far, and asmall part of it went ahead towards [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]Southw[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]estFrance, rich enough [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]yet[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]for S116* spite DF27 was already growing up to [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]large[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]majority[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]inthis small group[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif],without the other fortuned SNP like L21 or U152. A[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]n[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]dit is this firstly small group which [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]latergrew up and [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]wentdown to North Iberia. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Themore S116* among the more numerous S116 is a proof of anteriority andsource position. The relative greater not-S116* not-DF27 amongregions (Galicia, Asturies, Cantabricas the most) with less absoluteR-S116 is rather the result of complementary Y-R1b people of diverseother sources. So I retain the impression of a first wave* of Y-R1bS116 specialized into DF27 came from North Spain, rather throughFrench Basque country from an unprecise region in West France, butsurely notas late as the basqueethnic group, rather around or just before Bronze Age. Therelatively flat variation of the ratio DF27/S116 push me to presumeit was the same wave of males, the closer ratios in Madrid, Portugaland Andalusia don't contradict this. I would say : Celts, butare we sure all of them were Celtic speaking ? In Iberia, almostsure. In Western France ?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Thelinguistic/genetic discrepancy could be explained by a progressiveintroduction of Y-R1b males and maybesome associatedfemales generation by generation in a proto-basque speakingpopulation were the steppic male system of mating[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]primauty[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]forrulers [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]wasnot in use. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]NoteI don't speak here of somepre-S116R1b, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]and even less of R-V88 I see other sources and times for them inIberia.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Whenlooking at Basque country ancient mtDNA we see bigger changes inNavarra (Center and South) than in other Basque regions, but if morecomplicated it seems due also for the most to mt-H increase and lostof mt-U. We see here the importance of regional scale surveys. Inmean, Basque country, spite the « no change-stability »religion, shows changes at Neolithic and at Chalcolithic, spitegloballynot too striking*. But at modenr times, Basque country mt-DNA shows akind of return to older positions : increase of mt-H [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif](>than Chalco) [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]andmt-U [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif](>than Neo and Chalco) [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]anddecrease of Neolithic [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]non-H[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]mt-DNAbut a strong enough score of mt-J. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Butthe mt-H does not seem linked to basic southeasterners / neolithicpeople. It [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]couldbe[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]more linked [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]waveor [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]maritimeMegalithers of West, or to South[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]pre[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]-agricultureEurope [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif](famoussecond Mesolithic?) [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]takenwith Megalithers[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif],and by the fact it decreased a bit during Chalcolithic. It's true welack here the subclades of mt-H [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]andothers[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Somepresumed H5 could have been arrived from East at BBs time ? Mt-Jis int[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]e[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]restingbecause it did not decrease after Neolithic/Copper and we know it'sweighty enough among today British populations, themost in West, in Denmark, W-Norway (but too in North-Pyerene andAragon).ButmtDNA today seems so capriciously distributed, as stroke by the «great numbers law » when it does not outpasses the 1à-12 %...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]* :butin North basque country the mesolithic mt DNA heritage stayed verystronger at Neolithic, in what I red.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Concerninglanguage, we could take the problem the other side and say firstY-R1b waves in Western Europe were proto-basquic speakers ?Metals names in Basque are not of I-Ean origin... anindoeuropeanization in Eastern Europe at some stage progressingwestwards? Few small tribes stayed at the L21-DF27 frontier onAtlantic with old basquic/wasconic, between Loire and Pyrenees whenother more southernly accepted I-E ? (old I-Ean?) [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]I've hard work to swallow it but who knows ? A bit toospeculative.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Iconcludesaying Basques did not came from planet Mars – theircountry show influences of Megalithers and then from BBs - butkept more ancient auDNA and adopted more new North and East auDNAthan Spanyards, these last ones themselves less demicly neolithicizedandless « westasianized » thanother people of Mediterranea. [/FONT]