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corralesm
15-01-16, 15:39
My dad was born in Lora del Rio, Seville Spain. His parents were killed during the Civil War of Spain. He was then adopted. In the year 2002, I found his family. Before he died at the age of 80, he was reunited. There is much information found and more researching. For now, I have the following. His paternal and maternal side originate from the West side of Spain, a town called Fuente de Cantos, Badajoz. They have extensive genealogical records in this town. I was able to locate information on both sides, paternal and maternal, going back to 1660 and 1630. There is more information but unfortunately I am unable to read Latin and the script is so fancy that I'm unable to decipher what alphabet it implies. Then, DNA analysis was done. Can anyone share with me what my dad's DNA is saying....probabilities regarding regions. Thank you immensely. Maria

HAPLOGROUP R1b

DYS19a 14
DYS385a 11
DYS385b 14
DYS388 12
DYS389i 13
DYS389ii 29
DYS390 24
DYS391 10
DYS392 13
DYS393 12
DYS426 12
DYS437 15
DYS439 12
DYS442 12
DYS445 12
DYS446 14
DYS447 25
DYS448 19
DYS449 33
DYS453 11
DYS454 11
DYS456 15
DYS458 16
DYS459a 9
DYS459b 10
DYS460 11
DYS461 11
DYS462 11
DYS464a 15
DYS464b 16
DYS468 29
DYS484 13
DYS522 10
DYS527a 18
DYS527b 19
DYS531 12
DYS557 16
DYS588 18
GATAA10 13
GATAC4 23
GATAH4 11
YCAIIa 19
YCAIIb 21

Brennos
15-01-16, 15:49
My dad was born in Lora del Rio, Seville Spain. His parents were killed during the Civil War of Spain. He was then adopted. In the year 2002, I found his family. Before he died at the age of 80, he was reunited. There is much information found and more researching. For now, I have the following. His paternal and maternal side originate from the West side of Spain, a town called Fuente de Cantos, Badajoz. They have extensive genealogical records in this town. I was able to locate information on both sides, paternal and maternal, going back to 1660 and 1630. There is more information but unfortunately I am unable to read Latin and the script is so fancy that I'm unable to decipher what alphabet it implies. Then, DNA analysis was done. Can anyone share with me what my dad's DNA is saying....probabilities regarding regions. Thank you immensely. Maria HAPLOGROUP R1b DYS19a 14 DYS385a 11 DYS385b 14 DYS388 12 DYS389i 13 DYS389ii 29 DYS390 24 DYS391 10 DYS392 13 DYS393 12 DYS426 12 DYS437 15 DYS439 12 DYS442 12 DYS445 12 DYS446 14 DYS447 25 DYS448 19 DYS449 33 DYS453 11 DYS454 11 DYS456 15 DYS458 16 DYS459a 9 DYS459b 10 DYS460 11 DYS461 11 DYS462 11 DYS464a 15 DYS464b 16 DYS468 29 DYS484 13 DYS522 10 DYS527a 18 DYS527b 19 DYS531 12 DYS557 16 DYS588 18 GATAA10 13 GATAC4 23 GATAH4 11 YCAIIa 19 YCAIIb 21 If you need help with latin text, I can help you.

RobertColumbia
16-01-16, 03:03
I put your results into nevgen.org and got the following predictions:

97.3% : R1b Z2103>Z2106
2.5% : R1b Z2103>L584

R-Z2103 is a cousin to R-L51, which is the ancestor to the major western European R1b subclades, including the Iberian DF27, Germanic U106, Italo-Celtic U152, and Insular Celtic L21. This is unusual because you said that your paternal ancestors were from Spain, which would be more likely to yield R-DF27 or one of the other ones that I mentioned. R-Z2103 is associated more with eastern Europe.

Can anyone else confirm an R-Z2103 result?

Alan
16-01-16, 04:47
I put your results into nevgen.org and got the following predictions:

97.3% : R1b Z2103>Z2106
2.5% : R1b Z2103>L584

R-Z2103 is a cousin to R-L51, which is the ancestor to the major western European R1b subclades, including the Iberian DF27, Germanic U106, Italo-Celtic U152, and Insular Celtic L21. This is unusual because you said that your paternal ancestors were from Spain, which would be more likely to yield R-DF27 or one of the other ones that I mentioned. R-Z2103 is associated more with eastern Europe.

Can anyone else confirm an R-Z2103 result?

Eastern Europe? Please take a look at the z2103 maps.

RobertColumbia
16-01-16, 05:05
Eastern Europe? Please take a look at the z2103 maps.

I found a Thread with a map (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30881-Modern-distribution-of-R1b-Z2103) on R-Z2103. Is that not the distribution you are thinking of? The distribution is more slanted toward Romania, Albania, and Greece than Spain, Portugal, or France. Z2103 is even more common in Turkey, so I wondered if there could be an Umayyad or Saracen connection, but that's probably not the case.

Silesian
16-01-16, 05:31
It is hard to tell, without further snp testing. However, just eyeballing by some of the markers like fast mutation dys-449[33] & dys-446[14] I would say Z2110 maybe even 9219+

Z-2106+= Yamnaya
L584+=Yamnaya

These are your ancestors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture


https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/ht-3-5new/dna-results (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamna_culture)

Alan
16-01-16, 05:36
I found a Thread with a map (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30881-Modern-distribution-of-R1b-Z2103) on R-Z2103. Is that not the distribution you are thinking of? The distribution is more slanted toward Romania, Albania, and Greece than Spain, Portugal, or France. Z2103 is even more common in Turkey, so I wondered if there could be an Umayyad or Saracen connection, but that's probably not the case.

The peak is around Western Asia and strong in the Balkans. So the notion "East European" was kinda weird in my ears, because I neither consider West Asia nor the Balkans as "East Europe" in the traditional sense. East Europe for me is everything North of Croatia and east of Austria.

R1b v88 is common among Semites but z2013 is rare among them.

Ossetians have significant percentage of z2013 so there might be an Alan connection.

Silesian
16-01-16, 05:41
The peak is around Western Asia and strong in the Balkans. So the notion "East European" was kinda weird in my ears, because I neither consider West Asia nor the Balkans as "East Europe" in the traditional sense. East Europe for me is everything North of Croatia and east of Austria.

R1b v88 is common among Semites but z2013 is rare among them.

Ossetians have significant percentage of z2013 so there might be an Alan connection.

Ossetians are 9219+ in the above diagram. Alan and or Sarmatian.

Silesian
16-01-16, 05:43
I found a Thread with a map (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/30881-Modern-distribution-of-R1b-Z2103) on R-Z2103. Is that not the distribution you are thinking of? The distribution is more slanted toward Romania, Albania, and Greece than Spain, Portugal, or France. Z2103 is even more common in Turkey, so I wondered if there could be an Umayyad or Saracen connection, but that's probably not the case.

Much has been learned since this map was created. The Z2103 data has been parsed into specific clades.

Alan
16-01-16, 15:36
Ossetians are 9219+ in the above diagram. Alan and or Sarmatian.

yes and 9219 is under z2103.

Silesian
16-01-16, 15:58
yes and 9219 is under z2103.
Correct, so is Z2106, Z2109,Z2110 all dated equally to Z2103 @ 6100YBP+/-, and 500+/- years older than R1b L51+ & R1a M417. Not found in Kurds, Lurs, Assryians, for example. Unless you have evidence to prove otherwise.

http://www.yfull.com/tree/R1b/
http://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M417/


http://www.kumbarov.com/ht35/aDNA_02_11_30_2015.png

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