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Fire Haired14
27-02-16, 05:42
I just found a thesis which includes ancient Y DNA results from Sudan at "Ethno Helix" Blog (http://ethiohelix.blogspot.com/2015/06/sudan-mtdna.html). The thesis is from July 2009. It includes lots of mtDNA/Y DNA from modern Sudan and a few Y DNA results from ancient Sudan. The ancient Y DNA was tested for A1b1b2b-M13, B-M60, DE-YAP, and F-M89.

Here are the results.
Neolithic
Kadruka=5: A1b1b2b-M13=3, DE-YAP=2.

Around 0 AD
Meroitic=4: DE-YAP=4.
Post-Meroitic=3: DE-YAP=2, A1b1b2b-M13=1.
Christian=7: DE-YAP=3, F-M89=2, ??(xM13, YAP)=2.

I couldn't find any dates given for the samples. I don't know much about African Y DNA yet. The results that they gave for modern Sudan show most have A1b1b2b-M13 and DE-YAP(specifically E1b-M78). A 4500 year old man from Ethopia was also found to have E1b1.

I tend to think E originated in Africa and came to the Middle East as E1b1b1-M35. The diversity is much greater there than in Eurasia. D being exclusively Eurasian isn't good enough evidence DE or E originated in Eurasia. Y DNA J and R1b are the result of Middle Eastern-related admixture in East Africa not E1b. It's quite obvious E1b1b1-M35 is native to East Africa. If not orignally native to East Africa, it certainly wasn't included in the movements that brought J, R1b, etc.

bicicleur
27-02-16, 09:49
there are not many SNPs tested

I think this is interesting :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt

IMO E1b1b1-M35 is Ethiopian during LGM
E-V68 and E-Z827 came north along the Nile,
first in Nubya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadan_culture
and after the youngest dryas in Egypt

Alan
28-02-16, 05:54
Imo E1b is Eurasian and the original Haplogroup of Sudanese is A1b1.

E1b appears just Neolithic exactly at the same time other Eurasian Haplogroups such as F start to appear. I think E1b was somekind of Eurafrican Haplogroup widespred in the territory of East Africa and Arabia/Levant.

Fire Haired14
28-02-16, 06:00
Imo E1b is Eurasian and the original Haplogroup of Sudanese is A1b1.

E1b appears just Neolithic exactly at the same time other Eurasian Haplogroups such as F start to appear. I think E1b was somekind of Eurafrican Haplogroup widespred in the territory of East Africa and Arabia/Levant.

A1b1 and DE coexisted in Neolithic Sudan, like today.