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you're obsessed with it, aren't you?
you can't stop compairing Trump with Hitler
in a polite way of course
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you're obsessed with it, aren't you?
you can't stop compairing Trump with Hitler
in a polite way of course
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Apart from only discussing your opinion about me...do you have anything to offer on the subject?
you're very interested in me, but maybe you haven't read what I told about the subject in this thread
and you are typical of a group that does not understand the frustration the half truth of political correctness created by many people
now somebody else tells the other half truth and completes it with is own lies
so, yes this is still about the subject
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Im interested in anyone who posts on these threads and their opinions. There is always so much to learn. Of course like everybody else I seem to be inspired by some more then others. But we are all like that
I did I did. But what I notice then when I mentioned Hitler you became very irritated and started calling me stupid and all that. I am not sure why it had this reaction on you.
I have freely wrote about my frustrations on these threads, but I am not consoled by a man who lies more then any other and has many traits similar to Hitler. Im not sure why you try to shut me up continuously. Can you kindly explain why am i stupid to discuss the similarities? I read all your posts on this thread and have not found out why the two should not be compared in their behavior. If you tell me you never know. I might change my mind.
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You have read all my posts and didn't find the answer. I rest my case.
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That is a pity to rest your case
. This is the closest thing you suggested for Trump not to be compared to Hitler just by saying its stupid. But you never really explained why its stupid? I am not discussing this with Trump supporters, Eupidia is not CNN or Fox news. There are hardly 10 people contributing to this. I stated an opinion with an argument, and all you you could say its stupid without ever mentioning why the two should not be compared. Some others have made rational comments. Maybe when you decide to lift up your case and give the reasons I will be more then happy to read what you have to say.
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That is a pity to rest your case
I'm very disturbed by Trump's rhetoric as well, Maleth, and the atmosphere that it creates. It is absolutely out of bounds to say of protestors that in the old days they would have been carried out on stretchers, or to say that you'll pay the legal fees of a man who ****** punched a demonstrator.
Still, it's a far cry from that to the situation in Europe in the twenties and to Hitler. Americans are not the Europeans of that period, and Trump isn't Hitler. He's not advocating taking away the civil rights of minorities or legal immigrants. The vast majority of his backers are not violent racists. He's not even Mussolini; he's not advocating the violent overthrow of a republic.
The thuggery is coming from the left by and large, and mirrors what the left has been doing on college campuses and in the media for decades, which is to say trying to shut down speech with which they disagree. Trump supporters aren't going to Sanders rallies to disrupt them. In fact, as I said, I think that kind of leftist thuggery is going to fuel more support for Trump, as does calling Trump a Hitler and his supporters Nazis. It's over-reach; most Americans know that isn't the case and claims like that just make Trump more sympathetic.
One factor that hasn't been much discussed is that Trump was on TV for years and years. I didn't watch his show but millions of people did; people think they know him and most of the other candidates are just names to them.
I just saw another interesting stat. In states with open primaries, 55% of Trump's vote comes from Democrats, the so-called "Reagan Democrats", blue collar, more nationalistic Democrats.
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Firstly thank you for your rational arguments. One can debate without insulting which is a breath of fresh air. On the above post I believe you know thats not the only ultra negative thing that Trump had said and there is a whole list that have been highlighted by the media over and over again which are probably much more serious statements not only concerning people living in America but also his perception of the outside world. I dont think I need to go into detail.
well well...this is a very new thing for America. Americans are less and less attached their mother homelands and in 2016 there is much more of a sense of a 'roothed' nation if you know what I mean. This is the kind of rhetoric NEVER heard or seen in America before. There is always a first, and in my sincere opinion it should not be underestimated. It seems that all Trumps supporters say. Oh yes its true he said that about women about this and that...BUT....
Now lets see the whole picture. Shutting down speech is bad, even when its insulting and arrogant, because at least there are a good number of people who want to hear it and no one can deny that right to the supporters. But we also know that at least Sanders was quick to condemn this behavior and never encouraged this behavior in any of his rallies. This is very much to the contrary to what we get (example) from Trump with his body language with what he says and states that he does not know who the KKK is. (CNN interview with Trump).
I am not familiar with Trump I can only observe and comment on what I see now. His contradictions are incredible if you did not hear them with your own ears. (example he has nothing against Mexicans because many bought appartments from him and nearly with the same breath they are rapists drug dealers and dont know what else. Same thing he said on the Chinese besides the total ban on Muslims...you know all of them want to blow up America. I would love to know what his foreign policy is going to be? This is unheard in USA politics. And if he is president he will get everyone to agree because he said he is good at it. I think I need a break
Well that is something very debatable and similar scenario to what we have locally and elsewhere. The chunk of swinging voters probably has now become bigger then the hard core loyalist on both ends, so its going to be very difficult to put a title on someone as a sworn Democrat thats voting Republican and the other way round. Which is a good thing. People swing according to the necessity of the day and not necessarily according to a sworn allegiance to any party. I remember in the 70's (and probably more prior to that) that politics was like Religion, people would not marry into each other families unless they were BLUE or RED. Thats a long forgotten scenario.
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The biggest predictor of a vote for Donald Trump: a white man who hasn't even graduated from high school.
Nearly half of Trump voters live in trailer parks.
That tells you a lot.
This man may be the worst thing to ever happen to American politics.
The Republicans could have put up virtually anyone and defeated Hillary Clinton. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
Nearly half of Trump voters live in trailer parks.
That tells you a lot.
This man may be the worst thing to ever happen to American politics.
The Republicans could have put up virtually anyone and defeated Hillary Clinton. Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
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Indeed, I always believe that two terms of the same party is enough, even if they do everything right which is next to impossible. Corruption and bad governance seems to find fertile ground when that happens. (Not saying that it always happens. Japan and some Scandinavian countries had the same goverment even for 20 years I think) A change of government normally brings about a fresh round of enthusiasm and ideas.
I have been all in all very disappointed with the Republican nominations. There was a time I was thinking Rubio could have been appealing before his childish attacks on Trump, he should not have stooped so low as Trump does. The debates were more focused on attacking each other personally rather then convincing the public of who had the best way forward.
Hillary Clinton with all her downfalls simply seem more mature and has much more experience then all of them put together, and the fact that she might be the first female president in the USA might also find some sympathy votes. Sanders who is a socialist is something too much of a novelty in the US, and I am very surprised how well he is dong relatively speaking. Anyhow in the case that Hillary become president, she will be having a very rough ride as the undercurrents will remain unusually strong and the probability is that she will not serve a second term.
The political landscape in the US is really changing in many aspects. One only hopes for the best.
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Anonymous collective declares ‘total war’ on Donald Trump, again
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/15/anonymous-declares-total-war-on-donald-trump-again
Let me guess ..
Trump will be hindered in his logistics for a few days.
But he'll gain popularity through this.
America will become more polarised.
And anonymous will get the press once more and become more popular with its followers.
What a theater.
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/mar/15/anonymous-declares-total-war-on-donald-trump-again
Let me guess ..
Trump will be hindered in his logistics for a few days.
But he'll gain popularity through this.
America will become more polarised.
And anonymous will get the press once more and become more popular with its followers.
What a theater.
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It shows how emptyheaded politicians are nowadays.
The only thing they are interested in is how they look in the press.
And so they have lost connection with reality.
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Its not about military adventures!!! Americans are tired and angry of Bush's adventures in Asia. Republicans are fired up because Trump has touched important domestic problems that every american knows are true. You have 65 million Americans born abroad. Most of them are dead weight on the American economy. You have Mexican nationals that deliver their babies in USA and place the financial burden of raising them on working Americans. You have Muslims who not only rely on welfare but also bring their habits with them, their dress code, their social code which many times are in opposite with american way of life. Simply the cultures the emigrants are bringing are forming their enclaves and not fusing with each other. You have Muslim professors who dress according their codes discarding the facts that they are suppose to teach american kids! And many other clashes that multiculturalism brings. Simply as in Europe multiculturalism is failing and that what is fanning the revolt of American voter! Its not Trump!
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Now you are getting the facts straight. Its the democratic vote for Trump that has made the Democratic establishment nervous. He is no longer a joke. The presidency is well within his reach. Do not discard his leadership abilities. He has a lot more knowledge about economy because of his training and business dealings.
That's exactly why I think it is plausible that the Democrats recruited Trump and asked him to run for the Republicans, snatching as many of the "Redneck" votes as possible (the uneducated whites that you describe) with demagogic rhetoric that speak to the emotions of these low-brow masses, who unfortunately make up a huge part of the electorate. Once Trump is elected as the Republican candidate nothing can stop Clinton from winning.
How is multiculturalism failing in Europe. I live in the EU capital, where half of the population is of foreign origin, with EU workers from all 28 member states, and I can tell you that relations between Europeans seen from Brussels are very good indeed. The only thing that is failing is the integration of Muslims, and above all Moroccans, as the two terrorist attacks in Paris last year reminded those who were in denial. But multiculturalism between non-Muslims isn't just something that works in Brussels. Go to London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Vienna or other major cities with lots of other EU nationals and you will see that multiculturalism flourishes. Europeans have never spoken so many foreign languages and never married more often people from other EU countries. In Brussels over half of the couples I know are international.
This is why I can't understand why there isn't any major political party in Europe that is staunchly pro-EU and anti-Islam at the same time. Politicians still haven't understood that words like immigration and foreigners have no meaning if we don't specify the country or region of origin (or more importantly the religious groups).
It's probably not something Americans would understand as most of the Arabs in the USA are Christians, and the most vilified group of foreigners, namely the Mexicans, are Westerners culturally (Spanish speakers and Christians) who belong to the dominant religious group in the USA (Catholicism) and to top it all are generally hard-working and well-integrated. You have no idea what it is to have 5 to 10% of the population (25% in Brussels, although mostly packed up in the north-west neighbourhoods where they rest of the population hardly ever goes) who are very poorly integrated Muslims who contribute little to the economy (unlike the hard-working and well-integrated Eastern European and Latin American immigrants here). It's not just that they are poor and religious like the Mexicans.
After two or three generations in Europe, most Moroccans and Algerians, and to a lower extent also Pakistanis (+ a small proportion of the Bangladeshi and Turkish immigrants), are still living in ghettoes and remain poor, uneducated and unemployed, often living off social security. They just can't fit in modern European society because their Muslim values and behaviour clash too much with ours. In contrast, they are plenty of Brazilians and Polish workers who came to Brussels in the last 10 to 20 years, and the economy wouldn't run without them. I have never heard of integration problems with these new immigrants, but Moroccan families who have been here since the 1950's or 60's still look like (and speak like) they just got off the plane from Marrakesh. There is simply nothing comparable in the US.
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I can confirm that. I've seen these neighbourhoods. I've even done some bussiness there.
IMO this cannot exist in America, but the overgenerous social security system in Europe attracts and maintains these people as they are.
It is because of the mentality of these people, but also because social security does not force them to change.
To tell this is a taboo, you're labelled racist.
To get back to the subject ...
If Trump were in Europe, he would have a perfect subject here for his audience.
And who do you have to blaim then? Trump or the ones who made this subject a taboo?
It is taboos like this that give people like Trump - and much worse - an audience.
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Immigration was last on the concerns of voters yesterday. Only 8-10% of voters in each state cited it as their primary issue. What is driving this phenomenon is concern over the economy and a belief that most professional politicians have let them down. Immigration only factors in as part of the concern over jobs by blue collar workers who believe that Mexicans and Central Americans are taking their jobs and if not, driving down wages.
Trump voters have watched way too much tv, and obviously don't read very much. They think that being able to make money in real estate and running a reality show about business means that you know how to fix the economy in the face of global headwinds. It ain't necessarily so. They also are a very trusting bunch. At least with politicians you have their past actions as a guide. At this point I have no idea what Trump really believes.
One thing that African-Americans believe and fear, although it has not been part of the campaign rhetoric, is that some of this Trump vote is from people who also resent that a disproportionate share of the people on welfare are African-Americans, welfare that is subsidized, they believe, by their hard earned dollars. I do think that is probably part of the subtext. Crime rates in African-American ghettos also is a factor, and things like the "Black Lives Matter" movement. To Bicicleur's point, those "taboos" have not been broken. No one has introduced that into the discussion.
The Ohio returns are interesting. In the state where they really know him, and his lack of millionaires willing to fund his campaign wasn't a factor, Kasich has won over Trump by more than 15 points. On the all important question of the economy he trumped Trump by way more than that. He also beat him on honesty, which is important to me, at least. He's a very decent guy, Kasich. I'd be more than happy to vote for him, but if things are looking good for Trump, and Cruz looks like he's the only one who could knock him out, I'd hold my nose and vote for him too.
Does that mean I think he has a path? Not really. Even if campaign money were to start to flow to him now, it's too late.
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I realise now, there is a lot of this campaign I miss.
European press of course only covers the most controversial issues.
European press of course only covers the most controversial issues.
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There is growing uncertainty in me that I didn't do the smartest decision not including Kasich in the poll. To update the poll would mean losing all the votes so far. On other hand I'm tempted to allow vote changing, and this would mean that people could change votes, change their minds, and vote for remaining candidates till the president is elected. Other words we would see how voting pattern changes with time.
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