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LeBrok
01-09-13, 02:30
My sister was vegetarian for 15 years and finally got an illness which hospitalized her and she was forced to eat red meat twice a week as other forms ( pills, tablets etc ) did not suffice.
Thanks for telling us this real life story.
My motto is "Eat what your ancestor ate for millennia." According to natural selection we should be genetically predisposed to digest and use these food groups. We will be the healthiest when we do that.

Coolboygcp
06-03-14, 10:31
I am not. I could never do it. I eat chicken, beef, pork, turkey, and once in a while veal and lamb. They are all so delicious, and I really love meat. I eat many different kinds of cheese, drink milk, kefir, chocolate milk, I eat yogurt, ice cream, and many more dairy and animal products. I use honey sometimes (good German honey).

So in short, I am not a vegetarian, nor a vegan. I am probably the antithesis of vegetarian.

kosmonomad
09-06-14, 16:32
I have been vegetarian for nearly 5 years. Yoga and stuff. A conscious decision to improve and maintain health and not going back. Niether do I want to kill creatures that don't deserve death.

Angela
09-06-14, 17:12
Thanks for telling us this real life story.
My motto is "Eat what your ancestor ate for millennia." According to natural selection we should be genetically predisposed to digest and use these food groups. We will be the healthiest when we do that.

I just saw this. I couldn't agree more.

Aberdeen
09-06-14, 17:44
Thanks for telling us this real life story.
My motto is "Eat what your ancestor ate for millennia." According to natural selection we should be genetically predisposed to digest and use these food groups. We will be the healthiest when we do that.

So, I assume you don't eat potatoes, bananas or pineapples.

LeBrok
09-06-14, 18:26
So, I assume you don't eat potatoes, bananas or pineapples. I do, but the point is that I don't need to. ;)

Angela
09-06-14, 18:29
So, I assume you don't eat potatoes, bananas or pineapples.

I can't speak for LeBrok, Aberdeen, but I was referring to the fact that I believe our evolution, the very configuration of our alimentary tract, shows that we are both a plant and animal eating species. That's borne out by the fact that, from my understanding, which is admittedly limited, staying healthy on a strictly vegetarian dialect requires very careful mixing of foods in order to get some of the nutrients that are easily available in meat and fish.

I've also read quite a bit that seems to indicate that in certain parts of Europe, perhaps those areas where farming arrived later, a larger percentage of people have difficulty consuming wheat products. Aren't problems digesting gluten properly more prevalent in those areas? It's certainly true that the ability to consume large amounts of cow milk products varies by area.

All of that said, while I'm allergic to pineapple, and have problems with bananas, you'd have to pry potatoes away from me...I love them...and corn meal, and tomatoes. What would modern Italian cuisine be like without them? :smile:

Aberdeen
09-06-14, 20:25
I can't speak for LeBrok, Aberdeen, but I was referring to the fact that I believe our evolution, the very configuration of our alimentary tract, shows that we are both a plant and animal eating species. That's borne out by the fact that, from my understanding, which is admittedly limited, staying healthy on a strictly vegetarian dialect requires very careful mixing of foods in order to get some of the nutrients that are easily available in meat and fish.

I've also read quite a bit that seems to indicate that in certain parts of Europe, perhaps those areas where farming arrived later, a larger percentage of people have difficulty consuming wheat products. Aren't problems digesting gluten properly more prevalent in those areas? It's certainly true that the ability to consume large amounts of cow milk products varies by area.

All of that said, while I'm allergic to pineapple, and have problems with bananas, you'd have to pry potatoes away from me...I love them...and corn meal, and tomatoes. What would modern Italian cuisine be like without them? :smile:

I was just teasing LeBrok for being less clear than he usually is about what he meant. And I agree with you. Meat provides a quick fix of certain essential vitamins and minerals in a form that's easy for the European style body to absorb. In theory, I think I should be just as healthy without red meat, as long as I eat enough seafood, poultry and dairy, but in practice I do feel better if I eat some red meat. However, folks who live in southern India would probably be less well if they ate red meat, and may be able to remain healthy on a vegan diet, because of the eating habits of their ancestors. As for sensitivities to specific foods, I think that's an individual thing - IMO, some people, for whatever reason, just lack the enzymes necessary to digest a particular food and it isn't always because of where their ancestors came from.

As for people who make themselves sick by eating too much meat, or too much starch or too much whatever, I'm glad that nobody has yet mentioned that red herring. Some militant vegan types will maintain that because a modern fast food diet is very unhealthy, that proves that everyone should be vegan, but I think it proves that people should eat beef stew instead of hamburgers and french fries.

LeBrok
09-06-14, 20:47
I was just teasing LeBrok for being less clear than he usually is about what he meant. And I agree with you. Meat provides a quick fix of certain essential vitamins and minerals in a form that's easy for the European style body to absorb. In theory, I think I should be just as healthy without red meat, as long as I eat enough seafood, poultry and dairy, but in practice I do feel better if I eat some red meat. However, folks who live in southern India would probably be less well if they ate red meat, and may be able to remain healthy on a vegan diet, because of the eating habits of their ancestors. As for sensitivities to specific foods, I think that's an individual thing - IMO, some people, for whatever reason, just lack the enzymes necessary to digest a particular food and it isn't always because of where their ancestors came from.
I've read a research some time ago stating that northern Europeans can indulge in a diet heavy with animal fats and be a little heavier in BMI (body mass index) without adverse health consequences.


As for people who make themselves sick by eating too much meat, or too much starch or too much whatever, I'm glad that nobody has yet mentioned that red herring. Some militant vegan types will maintain that because a modern fast food diet is very unhealthy, that proves that everyone should be vegan, but I think it proves that people should eat beef stew instead of hamburgers and french fries.
Actually I can live happily without eating beef or lamb, but can't exist without chicken and pork meat. These were the staples of central Europeans since at least 3k BCE in this region. This could be the reason they taste so good to me.

I hope the Inuits and other natives can go back to their natural diet of seals, wiled game, their organs and fish to get rid of rampant diabetes and other maladies they experience ever since white man changed their menu to more "civilized".

slowder
12-10-14, 22:18
I like meat also vegetable :)

FutureEarth
26-02-15, 17:31
I am a vegan and have been for 8 years. I've never had any health problems and in fact feel extremely healthy and have never been overweight.

individual1st
22-03-15, 01:40
If it doesn't have meat, It's a snack. -Ron Swanson

Potentia
09-09-15, 02:21
I am not a vegetarian. Meat does not bother me in the least.

Sedlar
11-11-15, 10:36
I've been a vegetarian for a while and I felt great. I think that vegetarian food is healthy, but I know by some people that after many years of such a nutrition the body can feel really bad, because for the body is no longer sufficient receiving the vegetarian substitutes for meat. According to that I think that the combined and moderate nutrition that includes all food is a better option, because our body is programmed in such a way that it must receive all kinds of foods.

LeBrok
11-11-15, 17:31
I've been a vegetarian for a while and I felt great. I think that vegetarian food is healthy, but I know by some people that after many years of such a nutrition the body can feel really bad, because for the body is no longer sufficient receiving the vegetarian substitutes for meat. According to that I think that the combined and moderate nutrition that includes all food is a better option, because our body is programmed in such a way that it must receive all kinds of foods. Great to hear a voice of reason. Welcome to Eupedia Sedlar.

Joey D
10-12-16, 06:11
I don't call myself vegetarian, because 1) I don't like labels; and 2) I don't mind occasionally eating a bit of meat (which I might do once a month or so).

But for the most part, I am, and I love it.

Coturnix
27-02-17, 18:28
I am vegetarian since about 7 years. I always wanted to go on a vegetarian diet because of ethical reasons, but I somehow didn't find the endurance to stick to that diet. However, when I was 18 years old I did a bicycle tour with my friends which ended with a very bad meat poisoning. After this incident, I never ever felt the need to eat meat again and I didn't try it eather. Although the poisoning was a very bad experience and doctors said I was close to death, I am happy how things turned out finally and that it helped me becoming vegetarian. I do not often use this label, only if people directly ask me, though.

firetown
27-02-17, 19:59
I personally know people who have had major health issues and they started disappearing when they became vegetarian. I personally however have come to truly believe that this is not often due to the meats but rather what meat has become in terms of human interference. Maybe it is healthier these days to be a vegetarian and stay away from the growth hormones etc. which some people apparently tend to have a much stronger reaction to than others.
But I cannot imagine a vegetarian diet being better than a "healthy meat diet" as consumed by our ancestors hunting wild game. So I have not yet given up on meat, but I am trying to be more selective and go with lean turkey, fish and whatever else I feel better after I eat it than let's say pork products.

tivali
14-10-17, 11:26
I'm not a vegetarian, however I do not eat that much meat.

Jovialis
14-10-17, 20:04
I was actually on a date at a vegan restaurant; it was very good. But I have to say I could never give up eating meat; especially dairy products. Cheese is just too good.

davef
14-10-17, 20:37
Cheese is always good unless it's that disgusting garbage from Kraft which from what I read, isn't even real cheese.

I can't decide: Swiss, provolone, Muenster, I'd put all three in between bread and toss it in the toaster!

ihype02
14-10-17, 20:38
No I am not a vegan but I am for a better treatment of animals. The method of killing to be as less painful as possible. However I do not understand Vegans who reject milk and cheese I mean that is pointless.

davef
14-10-17, 21:04
Yeah, I think milking benefits the cow so its udders don't explode.
And I'm never going into veganism, but practices such as stuffing chickens into cages is beyond cruel

Jovialis
14-10-17, 21:15
Metabolism
by Insitome

Metabolism reveals the (r)evolutionary story behind your diet—how your genome has been tailored over millennia to the foods your ancestors ate, and what it means for you today. Changes in the human diet have resulted in changes in our own DNA. In the process of adopting new diets, we’ve adapted to them as well. Discover the next chapter in the story of you, Metabolism, to find out the truth behind why you are what you eat.

Early next week, this app is coming out (I know because I kept bugging them about it ;-) )

I'm looking forward to trying it, because it will give me some insight into how my body processes food.

Angela
15-10-17, 19:02
Early next week, this app is coming out (I know because I kept bugging them about it ;-) )
I'm looking forward to trying it, because it will give me some insight into how my body processes food.

You'll be able to compare it to your results at 23andme, because they do something similar.

They told me I was programmed to be less than average weight, and that total caloric intake was the thing to watch, which I do. Thank God it didn't say I should only eat protein, although I love meat and fish and would never give them up, because the corollary would be cut down on carbs.

Of course, white sugar, lots of deserts, sodas etc. aren't good for anyone, but there's no way I would want to give up bread, potatoes, pasta, rice etc.

Panda
15-10-17, 23:17
I am an interesting case. I can eat it but as long as I don't prepare it or kill the meat or what someone else do it. If I don't see it until it is made, I'm ok, otherwise I might puke. I have no vegetarians in my family so this little issue that I have confuses them.

Jovialis
15-10-17, 23:23
You'll be able to compare it to your results at 23andme, because they do something similar.
They told me I was programmed to be less than average weight, and that total caloric intake was the thing to watch, which I do. Thank God it didn't say I should only eat protein, although I love meat and fish and would never give them up, because the corollary would be cut down on carbs.
Of course, white sugar, lots of deserts, sodas etc. aren't good for anyone, but there's no way I would want to give up bread, potatoes, pasta, rice etc.
Yea, I would never give those up either!

It will be interesting to compare the results once I get them.

There's supposed to 8 different traits the metabolism app will inform me about. It will inform me about some of the ancient ancestry as well; certainly some insight into early farmer ancestry. They will also have an ethnic ancestry app coming down the pike after the metabolism one.

davef
15-10-17, 23:26
What are those 8 traits? I'm interested

Jovialis
15-10-17, 23:29
What are those 8 traits? I'm interested

Not sure, but I assume some of it will probably talk about lactose tolerance, and the ability to digest wheat and cereals I bet; linking it to ancient ancestry.

davef
16-10-17, 06:01
From what I've been told in another thread, my digestive system is well out of the ordinary, which would make sense to me given that those who have ADHD (such as myself) have very unique digestive tracts and imo may require a specialized diet.

Gitte
14-07-18, 17:16
No, and I don't plan to be either. Why? Because I try (or plan, as I still live with my parents) to eat local and seasonal and if I were vegetarian, that would mean surviving on carrots and cabbages in winter. I try to eat less meat, as I understand the conventional meat industry is very polluting (but so is getting your food from the other end of the world) and we simply don't need the amount of meat that is in this day and age eaten in the western world.

Of course, there are regions in the world where there are plenty of fruits and vegetables all year-round, were eating vegetarian and even vegan is easy and sustainable. But that isn't the case everywhere. There are also many places (deserts and very cold places) where you simply can't find not-animal derived foods (food= something that humans can digest and get nutrients from) so, for the people that live there like the tuareg in the sahara desert and the inuit, living of animal products and particularly meat is the easiest and most sustainable options and their digestive systems are used to that.

Conclusion: eat whatever the **** you want but take care of mother earth, by not consuming too much and making boats and planes travel around the world five times before you get your beloved avocado's.

parmesean
02-12-18, 00:17
I have tried to be a vegetarian but it didn't last long haha. Maybe I will try again some day.

LouisPhilippe
09-12-18, 04:24
No, I am not a vegetarian.

Gash
10-12-18, 18:05
yes, I'm vegan.

PT Tagus
15-03-19, 12:26
No, but I like vegetarian/vegan food.

TardisBlue
15-03-19, 13:52
Nope, and will never be.

Angela
15-03-19, 17:19
Nope, and will never be.

Me neither, and not just because I love meat. I think eating meat influenced how we developed (big brains for one thing) and I also think our bodies are adapted for it.

Vegetarianism, and veganism, even more so, is, imo, an artificial life style choice which requires constant vigilance to try and get the proper nutrients. That doesn't mean I think you have to eat a ton of meat or fish, but some of it is good for us.

TardisBlue
16-03-19, 11:07
Me neither, and not just because I love meat. I think eating meat influenced how we developed (big brains for one thing) and I also think our bodies are adapted for it.

Vegetarianism, and veganism, even more so, is, imo, an artificial life style choice which requires constant vigilance to try and get the proper nutrients. That doesn't mean I think you have to eat a ton of meat or fish, but some of it is good for us.

I agree with all the above, especially after reading The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith, a former vegan. I tried vegetarianism years ago (not really actually, because I was still eating meat once in a while), but it didn't agree with me. I need meat to function properly. Vegetarianism is not as bad as veganism though. Some of the most extreme vegans even refuse to eat honey…

Gash
17-03-19, 19:52
I agree with all the above, especially after reading The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith, a former vegan. I tried vegetarianism years ago (not really actually, because I was still eating meat once in a while), but it didn't agree with me. I need meat to function properly. Vegetarianism is not as bad as veganism though. Some of the most extreme vegans even refuse to eat honey…


https://youtu.be/oMuxgAbHgJA




What did you eat as a vegetarian ? there is a difference between vegan and vegetarian though.

TardisBlue
17-03-19, 22:47
What did you eat as a vegetarian ? there is a difference between vegan and vegetarian though.

I ate eggs, so-called "healthy" whole grains, veggies and fruit. Some dairy. Not eating meat doesn't agree with me, full stop. I respect others' free will to choose what diet is best for them. I expect others to do the same for me.

Gash
17-03-19, 23:29
I ate eggs, so-called "healthy" whole grains, veggies and fruit. Some dairy. Not eating meat doesn't agree with me, full stop. I respect others' free will to choose what diet is best for them. I expect others to do the same for me.

I do respect others dietary choice of course even though I have met many meat eaters that had a problem with me being vegan. But I noticed most people who have claimed to be vegan usually have done something wrong in the process.

Vegan and vegetarian arent the same thing. Vegans eat no animal products at all while vegetarians do eat eggs, dairy and stuff like that.

The author of that book you mentioned was never a vegan but more like a vegetarian, she consumed eggs, dairy cheese and various other animal products.

Then there are those people that do go vegan but have no idea about plant based nutrition or cooking which can be learned through books, articles online and even just youtube videos. These same people end up blaming a ''Vegan'' diet rather than themselves.

Then there are people that go vegan for the animals and for the environment , many of these people have no idea about plant based nutrition so they end up unhealthy and eat junk food.

Personally, I became a vegan because I started finding it disgusting to eat meat, especially when I saw the way they were slaughtered, that its a living being with feelings . It just grossed me out. So I started stopping that. Then I watched a video that explained where dairy came from, how it is actually not meant for human consumption but rather for baby calves, how we take this milk from them and slaughter their calves, and I was absolutely disgusted so I stopped that too. There I was , had no idea what to eat and I would rather starve to death than to eat something that came from an animal again, so I ate a lot of junk that had no animal product in it, but then I started picking up these books on healthy plant based nutrition , read articles and watched videos and I started learning a lot. I realised we dont even need animal products to be healthy and thrive , it is a huge myth. I also realised the food is absolutely delicious. The better cook you become the more delicious. It opened a whole new world.

Now veganism has become much more to me, I am also contributing to not kill animals or other living beings. I am contributing to not mess up our planet as animal agriculture is destroying it. While at the same time I can be healthy and fit.


I believe a plant based diet is the healthiest diet, the so called Meditarrean diet is almost like a vegan or plant based diet and the people from Southern Europe that consumed such a diet were shown to be healthier than people that consumed more animal based diet.

At the end of the day, I respect anyones choice but to this very day I have yet to see a legitimate arguement against veganism. Its usually based on misconceptions and that we developed to eat meat is a myth. Our earlier ancestors were actually plant eaters.

davef
18-03-19, 01:35
Meat is ok when you don't have to chew it 50 times. I don't enjoy meat that's super tough and lacking in taste. White meat from chicken breasts and pork is so incredibly boring and tedious on par with chewing a flavorless stick of gum

Processed meats like baloney, ham, hot dogs, and ground beef for cheeseburgers and chili? Best ever!

Angela
18-03-19, 01:53
Hominids were always on the verge of extinction. They couldn't afford such qualms of conscience. They ate anything and everything digestible. That's actually been true up until very recent times.

In terms of meat, hominids began eating it 2.6 million years ago.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273

Macronutrients from meat are extremely important, and before the easy transport of different kinds of plant foods from one area to another it would have been very difficult for hominids and even humans of prior areas to substitute certain plant foods or combinations of them to get those macronutrients.

"According to this hypothesis, the micronutrients gained from meat are so important that even small scraps of meat are worth the very high energy expenditure that cooperative hunting entails. Important components of meat include not only vitamins A and K, calcium, sodium, and potassium, but also iron, zinc, vitamin B6, and vitamin B12; the latter, although necessary for a balanced primate diet, is present only in small quantities in plants. In addition, macronutrients such as fat and protein, hard to come by in the environments where chimpanzees live, may be important dietary components of meat-eating."

The article also traces the fossil record and artifacts to show the age of the practice.
https://www.americanscientist.org/article/meat-eating-among-the-earliest-humans

Our gut system evolved into one suited for meat eaters.
"It seems that our bodies had to adjust gradually, first getting hooked on seeds and nuts, which are rich in fats but poor in fiber. If our ancestors ate a lot of them, such a diet would have encouraged the growth of the small intestine (where the digestion of lipids takes place) and the shrinking of the caecum (where fibers are digested). This would have made our guts better for processing meat. A seed-and-nut diet could have prepared our ancestors for a carnivorous lifestyle in another way, too: It could have given them the tools for carving carcasses. Some researchers suggest that the simple stone tools used for pounding seeds and nuts could have easily been reassigned to cracking animal bones and cutting off chunks of flesh. And so, by 2.5 million years ago, our ancestors were ready for meat: They had the tools to get it and the bodies to digest it.But being capable is one thing; having the will and skill to go out and get meat is quite another. So what inspired our ancestors to look at antelopes and hippos as potential dinners? The answer, or at least a part of it, may lie in a change of climate approximately 2.5 million years ago. As the rains became less abundant, so did the fruits, leaves, and flowers that our ancestors relied on. Much of the rain forest turned into sparsely wooded grasslands, with few high-quality plants to eat but with more and more grazing animals. During the long, dry spell from January through April, our ancestors would have had problems getting enough food, and to find their usual fare, they would have had to expend more time and calories. Early hominins were at an evolutionary crossroads. Some, like the australopiths, chose to eat large quantities of lower-quality plants; others, like early Homo, went for meat. The australopiths ended up extinct, but early Homosurvived to evolve into modern humans."
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/02/when-humans-became-meateaters/463305/

Now, if people, for reasons of conscience or anything else, no longer wish to consume meat, that's of course their choice, but the facts are the facts.

Megalophias
18-03-19, 03:59
Then I watched a video that explained where dairy came from, how it is actually not meant for human consumption but rather for baby calves, how we take this milk from them and slaughter their calves, and I was absolutely disgusted so I stopped that too.
I totally respect not wanting to kill (higher) animals. That's all that's needed to justify being a vegan. Nothing but human milk is *meant* to be eaten by humans (unless you count domesticates!). Cow milk is intended to be highly nourishing for mammals closely related to us. Nutritious plant foods are either cheap (carbon not nitrogen) bribes to spread seed (fruit) or the plant's energy storage reserves (mostly seeds and roots/tubers) which are most definitely not intended for animals and are commonly defended with poison. But humans are absolutely omnivores and have always eaten everything we can get our hands on. Mammals are generally at least somewhat omnivorous: I recently saw a study tracking wolves in Voyageur National Park, where it seems they spend the summer months gorging on blueberries. And at our local bird sanctuary when they catch birds in nets for banding if they have to be careful not to leave them too long unattended, as the deer will eat them.

davef
18-03-19, 04:56
Just tell the vegans you killed the cow/pig/chicken in self defense

Gash
18-03-19, 09:54
Hominids were always on the verge of extinction. They couldn't afford such qualms of conscience. They ate anything and everything digestible. That's actually been true up until very recent times.Earliest ancestors of humans and even most of our ancestors thousands of years ago were mostly plant eaters. Meat was rare in many cultures. Humans mostly ate meat for survival but it isn't a neccessity in this day and age nor do we need it for survival anymore. They had to hunt for meat and didn't eat as much meat as is eaten today in no way. Because we once ate meat for survival or ate anything and everything doesn't justify to eat it today. When it's not needed. When you also look at other apes, they are mostly plant eaters. Not to mention the fact that agriculture in this day and age is destroying our planet as we are also consuming more meat than ever. Our ancestors did not live this way.


Macronutrients from meat are extremely important, and before the easy transport of different kinds of plant foods from one area to another it would have been very difficult for hominids and even humans of prior areas to substitute certain plant foods or combinations of them to get those macronutrients."According to this hypothesis, the micronutrients gained from meat are so important that even small scraps of meat are worth the very high energy expenditure that cooperative hunting entails. Important components of meat include not only vitamins A and K, calcium, sodium, and potassium, but also iron, zinc, vitamin B6, and vitamin B12; the latter, although necessary for a balanced primate diet, is present only in small quantities in plants. In addition, macronutrients such as fat and protein, hard to come by in the environments where chimpanzees live, may be important dietary components of meat-eating."

All those nutrients can easily be found in plants and are not even made naturally by animals. Those very animals have absorbed those vitamins and nutrients from the plants they have eaten or their diet. Vitamin B12 isn't naturally produced by animals but rather is found in soil which the animals pick up. This is why many meat eaters are Vitamin B12 deficient. Vitamin B12 can be found in other sources or you could take it as a supplement. Many meat eaters are also vitamin D deficient and folate deficient This is why you also see many meat eaters and animal eaters take supplements. Protein can easily be found in beans and many other plant foods and is actually a much healthier source of protein than from meat, protein from meat is actually cancer promoting while protein from plants is rather the opposite. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK216648/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5963616/

Also showed fat from animals as unhealthy. There are plenty of other studies. Now I have seen ''studies'' that try to argue against this by claiming meat containts nurtients , all those nutrients can be found in plants , these nurtients have been picked up from plants by the animals. Doesn't make actual meat healthy, protein in meat is unhealthy, it also containts unhealthy fat and high cholestorol.

Calcium can be found in plants and is actually much healthier than the calcium you would recieve from milk from another mammal which isn't even meant for a human to consume in the first place but actually for the mammals baby. In the same way it would be dumb to take milk from the breast of a human woman and sell it in stores instead of giving it to her baby. Fat can be found in seeds.

You also forgot how meat totally lacks fiber which is only found in plant foods and is important to human health. You also forgot how meat consumption and dairy are linked to increase rates of cancer and various other diseases.

Meat is classified as a type 1 carcogenic food by the world health organization. Which means that it is a toxic food , pretty much. Except for B12 which can be found naturally in soil or from a supplement, a correct plant based diet containts much more nutrients than an animal based diet pretty much and can get you all the nurtients you need if done correctly.

Even WHFoods lists a Vegan diet as healthier

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=363



Our gut system evolved into one suited for meat eaters."It seems that our bodies had to adjust gradually, first getting hooked on seeds and nuts, which are rich in fats but poor in fiber. If our ancestors ate a lot of them, such a diet would have encouraged the growth of the small intestine (where the digestion of lipids takes place) and the shrinking of the caecum (where fibers are digested). This would have made our guts better for processing meat. A seed-and-nut diet could have prepared our ancestors for a carnivorous lifestyle in another way, too: It could have given them the tools for carving carcasses. Some researchers suggest that the simple stone tools used for pounding seeds and nuts could have easily been reassigned to cracking animal bones and cutting off chunks of flesh. And so, by 2.5 million years ago, our ancestors were ready for meat: They had the tools to get it and the bodies to digest it.But being capable is one thing; having the will and skill to go out and get meat is quite another. So what inspired our ancestors to look at antelopes and hippos as potential dinners? The answer, or at least a part of it, may lie in a change of climate approximately 2.5 million years ago. As the rains became less abundant, so did the fruits, leaves, and flowers that our ancestors relied on. Much of the rain forest turned into sparsely wooded grasslands, with few high-quality plants to eat but with more and more grazing animals. During the long, dry spell from January through April, our ancestors would have had problems getting enough food, and to find their usual fare, they would have had to expend more time and calories. Early hominins were at an evolutionary crossroads. Some, like the australopiths, chose to eat large quantities of lower-quality plants; others, like early Homo, went for meat. The australopiths ended up extinct, but early Homosurvived to evolve into modern humans."https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/02/when-humans-became-meateaters/463305/

Yes , this was mostly for survival reasons, as the article says at a time during climate change but we didn't actually evovle to eat it nor do we need it for survival today. The article says basically they had to eat it to survive because they had no access to other foods due to a climate change. And we had to hunt for it and didn't have it easily available which means in most cases we still chose easier available plants.

We don't need it to survive today. Throughout most of history we were still plant eaters and we grew and cultivated plant foods. Meat Eating was adopted during time of surivival when it was needed, as the article says. This climate change only affected parts of the globe and only certain humans and which is why you see also apes never died off despite being mostly plant eaters. They are also actually physically stronger than humans.

Truth is , our ancestors didn't eat nearly as much meat as we eat today nor is it needed today for survival normismit really justified.

The article isn't saying we need meat, it is actually admitting that our ancestors were plant eaters but at one point some of them had to eat meat in some parts of the globe in order to survive through a certain period of time, this doesn't mean that throughout most human history we only ate meat or ate heavily meat or that we need it for survival in general. We still ate plants and cultivated plant foods and in most cases was easier available since we had to hunt for meat.

Our gut system hasn't really evolved to eating meat nor is eating meat supposedly healthy for our gut system.

This study actually found Vegans had a healthier gut than meat eaters as Vegans also had less inflammation

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4245565/

Not only that, but they found these Vegans had also other incredible health benefits compared to meat eaters which I can't bother to qoute so you can just click the link and read.


Now, if people, for reasons of conscience or anything else, no longer wish to consume meat, that's of course their choice, but the facts are the facts.

The facts are animal agriculture is destroying our planet , we don't need meat to survive, we are also breeding animals into existence and enslaving them when it isnt even needed.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/04/animal-agriculture-choking-earth-making-sick-climate-food-environmental-impact-james-cameron-suzy-amis-cameron

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production


Meat and dairy industry are also propgandists and money making scammers , its a billion dollar industry, basically like a mob.

Facts are facts.

Angela
18-03-19, 15:44
You either didn't read or didn't understand the links. Your body is adapted to meat eating. That's how it evolved. It functions better with a little meat and fish and eggs. You are so concerned for the environment, but don't realize or acknowledge that in order to provide you with all that variety of plant material twelve months a year gas guzzling planes and trucks pollute the atmosphere. If you wear plastic shoes, that process pollutes the environment too. No matter.

It's very simple: eat what you want. I couldn't care less. Just stop propagandizing and putting down other people's choices.

It's just so typical of this era. Totalitarians of every variety are proliferating like mushrooms after a rainstorm.

Gash
18-03-19, 23:45
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/umassmedia.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/65/6654b456-8739-11e6-80d1-6fdbf0019876/57eeab6b8eef5.image.jpg?resize=400%2C274

Gash
19-03-19, 00:05
You either didn't read or didn't understand the links. Your body is adapted to meat eating. That's how it evolved. It functions better with a little meat and fish and eggs. You are so concerned for the environment, but don't realize or acknowledge that in order to provide you with all that variety of plant material twelve months a year gas guzzling planes and trucks pollute the atmosphere. If you wear plastic shoes, that process pollutes the environment too. No matter.

It's very simple: eat what you want. I couldn't care less. Just stop propagandizing and putting down other people's choices.

It's just so typical of this era. Totalitarians of every variety are proliferating like mushrooms after a rainstorm.


I did read the part you qouted. I should of kept it shorter. Felt like too much babbling. And we didn't evolve to eat meat. We adopted it at one point when we had to survive. This doesn't make us meat eaters.

A little meat and egg isn't the same as meat and egg everyday. And no it doesn't function better, you can get all the nutrients from plants without harming or killing other beings. You clearly didn't read the studies that show this. Meat and animal products are shown to cause inflammation in the human body. We are far from meat eaters.

Because planes , trucks and plastic pollute our environment doesn't justify to enslave and kill other living beings when it's not needed.

Your taste buds aren't worth more than the life of an animal.

You should maybe take a trip to a slaughterhouse, workers there suffer from PTSD.




https://youtu.be/BrlBSuuy50Y





You can eat whatever you want, at the end of the day it's still your choice , but facts are the facts.

In reality you're just buying a product that somebody else has slaughtered.





Btw, I think the admin should make a thumb button so it shows who it is that has clicked it , less likely to get abused. As I did not thumb down your post.

1claire
19-03-19, 05:16
I am not a vegetarian but there are times wherein I try not to consume meat as I want to lose weight.

Craigston
28-03-19, 17:14
Vegetarianism is one of the most stupid things ever created. I don't know who was the first creator of this madness but he had a mental illness.

Héloïse
12-04-19, 13:10
I'm not but I don't eat a lot of meat

morris
16-04-19, 23:42
nope because meat is good

Angela
30-04-19, 21:52
Damn! This is comedy gold. :) I wish they had put English subtitles, though.

Let's just say the majority are not of the "if it makes you happy, it makes me happy". This would have been my husband's nonna Anna's reaction precisely! :) God help you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqcxDv9tY6k

Joker
08-07-19, 13:59
I'm Vegan, mostly.

Saves a ton of money and is the quickest route to weight-loss.
Very hard to be strict Vegan 100% of the time, friends offer me a sandwich, or when I eat-out, I will break from Veganism.
When I tell people I'm Vegan they automatically assume my politics are far left and that I'm a Dem/environmentalist/animal rights activist...

I'm not a leftist and resent that the left has hijacked food choices with their politics.
Veganism can give you weight-loss like no other food choices and also lower your cholesterol/blood sugar to normal levels in record time.

Faunus
27-07-19, 15:29
I try very often but I always fail.

coolfrenchguy
20-09-19, 20:56
i'am vegan since around 15 years at least maybe more i became progressively and i want don't change i have earn 24% at least of less mortality risks maybe more

RoeGriffin
16-11-19, 23:32
No, I love meat

MarkSabier14
03-02-21, 19:22
I'm not vegetarian and I don't ever plan to, (not that I have anything against vegans or vegetarians, I'm engaged to a vegetarian) but I do think Americans eat waaay more meat than they need to.

Angela
04-02-21, 17:20
I'm not vegetarian and I don't ever plan to, (not that I have anything against vegans or vegetarians, I'm engaged to a vegetarian) but I do think Americans eat waaay more meat than they need to.

No, and never would, and I actually think it's one of those stupid new-agey ideas for which there's no scientific foundation.

We're descended from meat eaters, and actually perhaps the mainstream conclusion is that it was the abundant protein and animal fat which fueled brain growth.

Even our digestive system is specifically designed to digest both plants and animals (we have long intestines, which are needed for digesting animal protein ).

Just recently a paper came out that had studied the diet of most Indians, and found that they need at least a 20% increase in animal or fish protein, and that was an Indian paper if I recall correctly.

I've seen where some idiot parents have their babies on no animal protein diets and they were brought to court because the babies weren't developing properly. They should go to jail, just like the similarly idiotic anti-vaxxers.

They really want to go back to a world where some infants routinely die of diphtheria, like some of my relatives from the early 20th century???

This doesn't, of course, mean that I think it's healthy to eat steak every night. Moderation in all things, as the Greeks said, and eat whole foods, not processed food. Potato chips are vegetarian, so are most crisps, and ice cream etc.