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gyms
04-06-16, 09:49
Maternal Genetic Ancestry and Legacy of 10th Century AD Hungarians

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/e...56655.full.pdf (http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/02/056655.full.pdf)


Historical sources give evidence of the mixed ethnic composition of the Hungarians before the conquest of the Carpathian Basin 2,8. The diverse origin of the Hungarian tribes has also been documented in physical anthropological research. Craniometrical analyses revealed that the Europid crania type was predominant in the conquerors, with smaller amounts of Europo-Mongoloid characters 9. Regional groups of the ancient Hungarian anthropological series show morphometric parallels ranging from the Crimean Peninsula to Kazakh steppe 10.

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/06/02/056655

dodona
04-06-16, 12:33
the Hungarian conquerors ’ maternal gene pool is a mixture of West Eurasian and Central and North Eurasian elements. Comprehensively analyzing the results, both the linguistically recorded Finno-Ugric roots and historically documented Turkic and Central Asian influxes had possible genetic imprints in the c onquerors’ genetic composition.

the Finno-Ugric roots obviously are West Eurasian, whereas the Central and North Eurasian elements belongs to the Turkic and CA groups.

This supports my doubts of the Asian roots of Finnugrics.

gyms
04-06-16, 14:09
the Finno-Ugric roots obviously are West Eurasian, whereas the Central and North Eurasian elements belongs to the Turkic and CA groups.

This supports my doubts of the Asian roots of Finnugrics.

I agree with you.

The Finno-Ugric origin of the Hungarian language is well recorded by linguistic research, which lead to an assumption that there was a Uralic substrate of the ancient Hungarian population 2. However, Turkic-speaking groups could also have had a significant role in the formation of Hungarian folk and state-political entities, as suggested by ancient Turkic loanwords in the early layer of the Hungarian language and the Turkic origin of toponyms and person names of tribe leaders of the conquest-period 11. After leaving the Central Uralic homeland, an obvious source of the Turkic influence was the Turkic-speaking political environment of the Bulgars (Onogurs) and Khazars on the 9th century Eastern European steppe, where the Hungarians lived for a period of time. The exact states and chronology of the Hungarian migration between the Ural region and the Carpathian Basin is continually debated among archaeologists, linguists and historians.

dodona
05-06-16, 10:07
lets take a look to the closest linguistic relatives of the Magyars:

The Khanty and Mansi are known to have crossed the Urals, the northern geographical boundary between West and East Eurasia. They migrated from Pechora and Vychegda river regions west of Urals to the Ob river valley during the first millennium AD as one ancestral Ob-Ugric population, which split into the ethnic groups of Khanty and Mansi soon after this resettlement

Northwest Siberian Khanty and Mansi in the junction of West and East Eurasian gene pools as revealed by uniparental markers (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18506205)

we can assume that the Magyars originated from a rather Europoid population west of Urals too. Probably they were the first leaving to the south were they came in contact with Iranian and Onoguric Turkic tribes.

arvistro
05-06-16, 16:08
I wonder what is Fire Haired take on reported mtdna data.
Any surprises?