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Tomenable
24-07-16, 22:20
One woman killed and two people wounded in a machette attack by a Syrian asylum-seeker in Reutlingen:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-machete-attack-stuttgart-reutlingen-crime-knife-attack-a7153561.html


German machete attack: Syrian refugee kills woman and injures two others in city of Reutlingen

Man has been arrested by police following assault outside fast food restaurant in Reutlingen (...)

According to Stuttgarter Zeitung, the woman was ethnically Polish:

http://www.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.reutlingen-macheten-angriff-eine-tote-zwei-verletzte.3f0c9431-da4e-4fb9-97e8-f0aed507cefb.html


Kollege beschreibt Täter als freundlichen Kerl

„Er ist mit dem Hackmesser durch das Restaurant gerannt und hat es über dem Kopf geschwungen“, sagt Mohammad Alhelo. Der 20-jährige Kollege des Täters war gerade dabei den Getränkeautomat mit Cola aufzufüllen, als der Amokläufer sich das Messer geschnappt hatte und damit um sich schlug. „Ich hatte Angst und bin weggerannt“, erzählt Alhelo. Er beschreibt den Täter als einen freundlichen Kerl, der vor eineinhalb Jahren allein aus Syrien nach Deutschland gekommen sei. Er habe sich in dem Lokal in die Frau verliebt, die er nun getötet habe, sagt Alhelo. „Sie war Polin und hat bei uns das Geschirr abgeräumt.“

Dinarid
24-07-16, 22:39
This is just an isolated incident, of course. Any claims to the contrary will most certainly result in accusations of "Islamophobia" or "mass hysteria". Just wait for it.

LeBrok
25-07-16, 02:19
Did you read the full story? This is a love story going wrong:

Mr Alhelo said the attacker was arguing with the woman before he killed her on the street - he said he had fallen in love with the woman when he started working there. This psycho killed his lover and maybe his child. And yes he was psycho:

An eyewitness told Bild: "The attacker was completely out of his mind. He ran with the machete behind a police patrol car."
Well, now let's sit and wait for Tomenable and others making it a religious war of Muslims killing Christians.

Wouldn't be easier for your racist cause to just post tidbits from Saudi or Pakistan newspaper where all killers are Muslims?

Dinarid
25-07-16, 02:58
Did you read the full story? This is a love story going wrong:
This psycho killed his lover and maybe his child. And yes he was psycho:

Well, now let's sit and wait for Tomenable and others making it a religious war of Muslims killing Christians.

Wouldn't be easier for your racist cause to just post tidbits from Saudi or Pakistan newspaper where all killers are Muslims?
…or we can just live in a fantasy world and deny that there is any pattern here with the vast majority of attackers have a common origin, or the idea that this may just have something to do with it. But of course, statistical correlations are racist, aren't they.

Angela
25-07-16, 03:02
This is getting absurd now. By jumping to conclusions every time a Muslim commits a crime you just reinforce the story line that you're indeed Islamophobic. The result is that people will be less inclined to believe anything you say.

There is a real problem with ISIS inspired acts of terror, but behavior like this means that real dialogue and solutions will not take place.

I hate to break it to you, but mentally ill young men committing acts of mass homicide, and men of any age killing their lovers/wives is more common than I'm sure anyone would wish, and I've seen men of every "race", ethnicity, and religion committing these acts.

Maybe we should kick all men out of our countries?

Dinarid
25-07-16, 03:08
This is getting absurd now. By jumping to conclusions every time a Muslim commits a crime you just reinforce the story line that you're indeed Islamophobic. The result is that people will be less inclined to believe anything you say.

There is a real problem with ISIS inspired acts of terror, but behavior like this means that real dialogue and solutions will not take place.

I hate to break it to you, but mentally ill young men committing acts of mass homicide, and men of any age killing their lovers/wives is more common than I'm sure anyone would wish, and I've seen men of every "race", ethnicity, and religion committing these acts.

Maybe we should kick all men out of our countries?
Finding a correlation is not "Islamophobia". Sometimes Tomenable may go a bit extreme, but it's important to recognize that for people like me at least, seeing a relationship between Islam and violence doesn't mean "blame all Muslims". His views are just a backlash against political correctness- also, when Slavs are told that an opinion is offensive or belittling, we have a tendency to rub it in even more. Just an observation.

LeBrok
25-07-16, 03:30
…or we can just live in a fantasy world and deny that there is any pattern here with the vast majority of attackers have a common origin,What's the origin of all attackers? The commonality of the attackers is that they are Muslim Extremists, and sometimes of other ideologies. All of them are deranged psychopaths. See the patern, or do you have other information?


But of course, statistical correlations are racist, aren't they. How about bashing all Muslims with every possibility? Or implicating Muslims in attack before all the facts are known. Did you see Tomenable posting a good news about Muslims? I don't recall. Now, isn't such behaviour racist?
If you don't believe me, ask him if there is one Muslim he likes.

Dinarid
25-07-16, 03:34
What's the origin? The commonality of the attackers is that they are Muslim Extremists recently, and some of other ideologies. Do you have other information?

How about bashing all Muslims with every possibility? Is this racist?
That's patern of Tomenable isn't it?
He certainly dedicates a lot of time on them, I agree. But I don't recall a single post in which he advocates expelling them all or suggesting that literally all of them are responsible for extremism. I think he's just too idealistic. I myself am quite idealistic as are most people here, but to criticize something obsessively while glorifying some unrealistic fantasy is indeed ridiculous.

LeBrok
25-07-16, 03:36
This is getting absurd now. By jumping to conclusions every time a Muslim commits a crime you just reinforce the story line that you're indeed Islamophobic. The result is that people will be less inclined to believe anything you say.

There is a real problem with ISIS inspired acts of terror, but behavior like this means that real dialogue and solutions will not take place.

I hate to break it to you, but mentally ill young men committing acts of mass homicide, and men of any age killing their lovers/wives is more common than I'm sure anyone would wish, and I've seen men of every "race", ethnicity, and religion committing these acts.

Maybe we should kick all men out of our countries?Well, said. Or should we disband all Catholic church and hate all prists because of few pedifiles in their ranks?

Dinarid
25-07-16, 03:40
Well, said. Or should we disband all Catholic church and hate all prists because of few pedifiles in their ranks?
I've no desire to derail the conversation, but since you went there…
I think it's quite ridiculous that the Catholic Church basically functions like an embassy in every country where it's present. Local laws do not seem to apply to them. In the Balkans it isn't such a problem, however, some of the nasty things the Church has done in our history go unmentioned and Croats get very defensive because many of us see it as a source of national pride, which I find particularly idiotic.

davef
25-07-16, 04:43
If every Muslim were evil, every Muslim would go out and murder someone or commit some equally heinous act, including some 80 year old lady who plays Bingo or checkers at an Islamic Community Center, walks on crutches, and serves an old family recipe at an annual festival. Should we keep her under surveillance by the FBI and CIA? Its not like they worship some demon dude with 8 eyes who eats children for breakfast.

Just because he was Muslim doesn't make it a terror attack, that's like saying a small town Muslim who stabs someone in Podunk Missouri then steals that person's tv is a member of ISIS. The guy is just a criminal as much as Bob Jones is of the same town who stabbed his wife.

Dinarid
25-07-16, 05:17
If every Muslim were evil, every Muslim would go out and murder someone or commit some equally heinous act, including some 80 year old lady who plays Bingo or checkers at an Islamic Community Center, walks on crutches, and serves an old family recipe at an annual festival. Should we keep her under surveillance by the FBI and CIA? Its not like they worship some demon dude with 8 eyes who eats children for breakfast.

Just because he was Muslim doesn't make it a terror attack, that's like saying a small town Muslim who stabs someone in Podunk Missouri then steals that person's tv is a member of ISIS. The guy is just a criminal as much as Bob Jones is of the same town who stabbed his wife.
You've quite clearly missed the entire discussion. No one has said that all Muslims are terrorists- it's just that Angela and LeBrok have accused Tomenable of being biased towards blaming them disproportionately, and then there are people like me who believe that there's definitely a statistical correlation.

davef
25-07-16, 05:46
Actually, reading his post again, he never mentioned anything about the man's religion. Sorry, just a bit tipsy this evening lol...

Twilight
25-07-16, 05:59
Finding a correlation is not "Islamophobia". Sometimes Tomenable may go a bit extreme, but it's important to recognize that for people like me at least, seeing a relationship between Islam and violence doesn't mean "blame all Muslims". His views are just a backlash against political correctness- also, when Slavs are told that an opinion is offensive or belittling, we have a tendency to rub it in even more. Just an observation.

Actually, coming from "Bernie Sanders is a Rock star" Seattle. I hate to say this but "Blame all Muslims" is one of the stereotypes. I've even seen posters from some churches that say "Love your Muslim Neighbors" along with other posters saying "Black Lives Matter" and "All lives Matter". America has been on the edge for the past year.

Dinarid
25-07-16, 06:01
Actually, coming from "Bernie Sanders is a Rock star" Seattle. I hate to say this but "Blame all Muslims" is one of the stereotypes. I've even seen posters from some churches that say "Love your Muslim Neighbors"
Stereotypes of whom?

Twilight
25-07-16, 06:09
Stereotypes of whom?

Have you ever heard about the Mohammed the student from Texas whom got expelled for school just for bringing a clock to school? Security thought I was a bomb and he got arrested just for being Muslim. I'm really sorry, I just find politics these days to be messed up.

Since we are talking about pattern here. I'm afraid both Angela, Davef and me have American state flags and we share similar sentiments; that the Muslim problem is a touchy subject.

https://www.rt.com/usa/335865-muslims-bullied-self-defense-expulsion/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/

Dinarid
25-07-16, 06:34
Have you ever heard about the Mohammed the student from Texas whom got expelled for school just for bringing a clock to school? Security thought I was a bomb and he got arrested just for being Muslim. I'm really sorry, I just find politics these days to be messed up.

https://www.rt.com/usa/335865-muslims-bullied-self-defense-expulsion/
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/16/us/texas-student-ahmed-muslim-clock-bomb/
That's regrettable. However, I really don't think that should take any attention away from legitimate criticism of Islam and the ongoing genocide in the Middle East.

Twilight
25-07-16, 06:43
That's regrettable. However, I really don't think that should take any attention away from legitimate criticism of Islam and the ongoing genocide in the Middle East.

Well we've spent a ton of dollars on the war already we are trillions in dollars in debt as it is. However if we are going to pacify terrorism in the Middle East, I think we gotta need some help from other countries. I just don't know how much America can take without dividing themselves to hate. :confused2:

Dinarid
25-07-16, 07:00
Well we've spent a ton of dollars on the war already we are trillions in dollars in debt as it is. However if we are going to pacify terrorism in the Middle East, I think we gotta need some help from other countries. I just don't know how much America can take without dividing themselves to hate. :confused2:
I really don't get the impression of Americans as hateful people at all. If you want to help in the Middle East, part of the problem is aligning with Saudi Arabia and Qatar- two Muslim Brotherhood sponsors whose "help" should be considered rather unsavory. Israel is of course an American ally and the only resistance to Islamic expansionism, also Egypt, which keeps the Islamists in check, can also be seen as an ally. Beyond that, Morocco also seems like a potential partner as it is stable and non-Islamist.

Twilight
25-07-16, 07:15
I really don't get the impression of Americans as hateful people at all. If you want to help in the Middle East, part of the problem is aligning with Saudi Arabia and Qatar- two Muslim Brotherhood sponsors whose "help" should be considered rather unsavory. Israel is of course an American ally and the only resistance to Islamic expansionism, also Egypt, which keeps the Islamists in check, can also be seen as an ally. Beyond that, Morocco also seems like a potential partner as it is stable and non-Islamist.

Personally I think that looks like a reasonable goal, what do you guys think Davef and Angela? I would imagine such a move would take a petition. It just might be that I'm being influenced by down town activity and via parental views. Ultimately this is my personal experience.

I want to make it clear that not all Americans are hateful and some like me just prefer to unite in treating each other fairly while keeping the Amendents. There are some sentiments of protecting our borders, some sentiments of lives being threatened. There is diverse emotions swirling around the country. But deep down almost all of us are looking to unite for peace in one way or another. We are just divided on how we should go about it.


As far as the Syrian Refugee incident is concerned, Im sorry to say but I couldnt find what the attacker's religious stance was. The Syrian refugee could be Christian, Muslim or some other religion.

LeBrok
25-07-16, 08:31
To keep things in perspective.
This is homicides map of Europe. From this map it would be hard to guess where these violent Muslim live. For example, in Germany there 10 million Muslims, but their homicide rate is one of smallest in Europe. On other hand there are no vicious Muslims in Lithuania, though the murder rate is 6 times higher than in Germany.
https://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/europe-map-of-homicide-rates-subnational-lebel-unodc-png.png

Maleth
25-07-16, 08:47
This is getting absurd now. By jumping to conclusions every time a Muslim commits a crime you just reinforce the story line that you're indeed Islamophobic. The result is that people will be less inclined to believe anything you say.

There is a real problem with ISIS inspired acts of terror, but behavior like this means that real dialogue and solutions will not take place.

I hate to break it to you, but mentally ill young men committing acts of mass homicide, and men of any age killing their lovers/wives is more common than I'm sure anyone would wish, and I've seen men of every "race", ethnicity, and religion committing these acts.

Maybe we should kick all men out of our countries?

Couldn't have said it better. While my heart goes out for this woman like all the others who end up in this horrible situation, one must not forget, no matter how sad it is that it is much more common then what we think.

http://helpstopdomesticabusenow.blogspot.com.mt/2011/07/germany-facts-and-resources-for.html

bicicleur
25-07-16, 09:16
This is getting absurd now. By jumping to conclusions every time a Muslim commits a crime you just reinforce the story line that you're indeed Islamophobic. The result is that people will be less inclined to believe anything you say.

There is a real problem with ISIS inspired acts of terror, but behavior like this means that real dialogue and solutions will not take place.

I hate to break it to you, but mentally ill young men committing acts of mass homicide, and men of any age killing their lovers/wives is more common than I'm sure anyone would wish, and I've seen men of every "race", ethnicity, and religion committing these acts.

Maybe we should kick all men out of our countries?

this man was allready known by the police as violent
but why wasn't he send back to Syria?
the problem is, once they get in you can't get rid of them anymore

and yes, 80 % of recent refugees were single young men
if they realy came from a dangerous war zone they wouldn't have left their family alone
Merkel was terribly wrong by letting them in

Maleth
25-07-16, 09:20
Lithuania is only 2-3 million people. Almost about the same homicide rate as Albania. And you compare it to Italy which has lesser Muslims or even Spain. Which are over 40-60 million people on average. Comparing Lithuania is like comparing the Normandy region of France. 3.3 million people, and is slighted elevated...

Since you mentioned Italy.......but this is also true to a number of countries. I believe this is what Lebrok means when he says keep things in perspective.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/16/italy-struggles-with-spate-of-domestic-violence-murders.html

Basta means enough by the way

Twilight
25-07-16, 09:56
this man was allready known by the police as violent
but why wasn't he send back to Syria?
the problem is, once they get in you can't get rid of them anymore

and yes, 80 % of recent refugees were single young men
if they realy came from a dangerous war zone they wouldn't have left their family alone
Merkel was terribly wrong by letting them in

That makes more sense :). If that's the case, perhaps a policy of "If you are immigrating from the Middle East, bring your wife and Children; if you have kids or no entry."

MarkoZ
25-07-16, 10:05
Lithuania is only 2-3 million people. Almost about the same homicide rate as Albania. And you compare it to Italy which has lesser Muslims or even Spain. Which are over 40-60 million people on average. Comparing Lithuania is like comparing the Normandy region of France. 3.3 million people, and is slighted elevated...

Oh, Finland has less Muslims too. (and also has arms legalized) But they have 5 million people. It must be the Muslims, LeBrok...

Look at how small homicide in Switzerland is, and they try to block Muslim immigrants and have arms legalised. So much for your "anti-Islam" argument...

Edit: While I'm on the subject, Switzerland is actually the country in Europe and region that has the LEAST homicide rate; and they have arms/weapons legal as well, and fewer opportunities for Muslim citizenship. Hard country to get into...

The point stands that there is absolutely no correlation between the number of Muslims inhabiting a country and the per capita homicide rate. The population of the Baltic countries, for example, is more than large enough to allow for comparison of homicides per capita. Your argument about Switzerland is contrived, since the Muslim population in the German cantons of Switzerland is quite above average by central European standards.

Looking at global trends, you'll also see that the affluent Middle Eastern countries are among the least homicidal on the planet.

Tomenable
25-07-16, 10:26
Did you read the full story? This is a love story going wrong

AFAIK she refused to date him, and so he killed her. The child was rather someone else's. This is kind of similar to Cologne New Year's Eve, except that there a typical reaction to rejection was rape, not murder.

Tomenable
25-07-16, 10:37
What the article actually says:


he said he had fallen in love with the woman when he started working there.

What LeBrok imagines that it says:


This psycho killed his lover and maybe his child.

1) The article doesn't say that they were lovers,

2) The article doesn't say that he was the father.

That he fell in love doesn't mean that she did too. Just like women in Cologne didn't.

Maleth
25-07-16, 10:49
What the article actually says:



What LeBrok imagines that it says:



1) The article doesn't say that they were lovers,

2) The article doesn't say that he was the father.

That he fell in love doesn't mean that she did too. Just like women in Cologne didn't.

I don't think anyone knows. Maybe yes and maybe no. One should have the patience to wait for any conclusions (if it really matters).

LABERIA
25-07-16, 10:55
What the article actually says:



What LeBrok imagines that it says:



1) The article doesn't say that they were lovers,

2) The article doesn't say that he was the father.

That he fell in love doesn't mean that she did too. Just like women in Cologne didn't.

And what is so interesting to discuss here? A psychopath person killed an woman. How many crimes like this happen everyday in world?

Tomenable
25-07-16, 10:59
And because of WW2 and Adolf Hitler, Germany has become kind of guilty and self-hating.

How many Muslims or "brown people" did Germany kill in WW2 ??? Either zero or a very small number.

As Benjamin Netanyahu said, Nazi Germany actually cooperated with some Muslims against Jews.

Maleth
25-07-16, 11:14
How many Muslims or "brown people" did Germany kill in WW2 ??? Either zero or a very small number.

As Benjamin Netanyahu said, Nazi Germany actually cooperated with some Muslims against Jews.

Nazi's are not the only supremacists around. Muslims have their own too, and also Blacks. They have a common love and a common bond. A non existent factor they are in denial of called Racial purity.

Dinarid
25-07-16, 11:24
Yes, not only did the Palestinian (non-existant identity at the time) Arabs cooperate with the Nazis but so did Balkan Muslims, in the Handžar Division.

bicicleur
25-07-16, 11:58
AFAIK she refused to date him, and so he killed her. The child was rather someone else's. This is kind of similar to Cologne New Year's Eve, except that there a typical reaction to rejection was rape, not murder.

that may be the correct analysis

you don't kill a woman on which you fall in love, simply because she rejects you

unless you are brought up with total disrespect of women

furthermore this man was violent, probably brougth up with to much male pride to defend

these men don't belong in Europe, or anywhere else for that matter
yet that is how they grow up in certain quarters of the world

MarkoZ
25-07-16, 13:00
While it is true that Muslims are mostly harmless, the point I was trying to make is that homicides happen because people are people and people are individuals. The problem with Germany is that they let too many people in; irresponsibly and legitimately ignoring the reality that not everyone is nice. It seems that even France is tired of it, and is beginning to fight back and attempting to make it harder for Muslim and other immigrants to assimilate. The Belgians and Irish seem pretty fed-up as well.


hey reel in naive, good-hearted people (Polish) who just want to seek a better life, and then a jealous savage, who happens to be Muslim (who would have thought? most muslims are pretty violent, admittedly.)

Feeling confused? I know I am.

Cognitive dissonance seems to be very common with disgruntled populists.

Angela
25-07-16, 15:03
It's not a matter of Islam. There are white Bosnian muslims that are good people. The real problem is that Germany lets in too many people ... and things get out of hand. They're too charitable and don't do background checks. They reel in naive, good-hearted people (Polish) who just want to seek a better life, and then a jealous savage, who happens to be Muslim (who would have thought? most muslims are pretty violent, admittedly.) just has to come and kill her and give her a sickly murder-abortion. A baby dead at the hands of a ruthless inhuman animal.

Well, now it's clear. It's not his religion that's at issue; it's that he isn't "white" enough for you. Immigrants are fine, even if they take jobs for lower wages, thus driving down wages for "native" people, so long as they're white, because a "white" immigrant is by definition not going to be as violent or mentally unstable as a non-white immigrant. Do I have it right now?

As to your response about the map LeBrok posted, do you know how to read a map? Do you know what "rate" means? What else can we do but look at "relative" numbers? As has been mentioned, the population numbers are big enough that a "relative" rate of occurrence is not at all misleading. Absolute numbers would tell us absolutely nothing about "safety". Not that even relative numbers do that. What do you think that spike in Calabria is all about? Most of it is because the 'ndrangheta is becoming the most powerful "Mafia" organization, and they're killing each other in turf wars. The big conclusion I draw from the map? Homicides in Europe are mostly tied to alcohol. These are alcoholics stabbing or beating each other to death. Stop glorifying or at least tolerating drunkenness and see what happens to the homicide rate, among other things.

Forget it. Why am I having this conversation? Most of you are totally uninterested in logic.

@Bicicleur,
I never said nor implied that letting in tens of thousands of unvetted immigrants was a good idea.

However, you're too smart to conflate things in this way. ISIS is not the motivation behind every crime committed by a Muslim in Europe. Sometimes it's just old fashioned, every day kind of crimes, the kind that happens in every country. Wait to indict ISIS and its propaganda until you know the facts.

If you're saying that when immigrants are unvetted you may be letting in people with mental disorders or criminal backgrounds that's of course true. When, during the second wave of their immigration Cubans were trying to get to the U.S. on rickety boats, Castro opened his prisons and encouraged the inmates to go along too, and we were processing them for crimes for years afterward, and probably to this day.

I have some sympathy for the idea that America has enough home grown criminals and nutjobs. Why import more? That's why I believe that immigration has to be controlled.

As for male on female crime, again I hate to break it to you but men kill women who reject them every single day, and right here in the good, old, U.S. of A. We have a big problem with domestic violence, and so do countries like Australia, but among European countries, those in the Balkans and eastern Europe have the biggest problem, and other than Albania and Kosovo, they don't have a whole heck of a lot of blacks, Muslims, or other third world people.

Based on this map, I think western Europe should ban migration from the Balkans and eastern Europe as well as Muslim countries. Why is there always a different standard for these Europeans?
Indeed, I think, based on their behavior during the Balkan Wars, all Balkanite male immigrants over a certain age should be deported and the younger ones should be under surveillance. Recognize the sarcasm here, people?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed .jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed .jpg

Milan
25-07-16, 15:48
I think that many people made mistake by comparing European Muslims from the Balkans (Bosnians,Albanians,Torbesh,Pomaks etc) to middle eastern one.
There is difference here not only that in the middle east currently is growing radicalism,the salafi and wahabi movements,funded by Saudi money and other rich gulf countries,a form of Islam not known in the Balkans for example until recently,however this movements come to infiltrate even in the Balkans where they have their followers,it is easy to brainwash young man especialy one without future or coming from poorer families,they have their own imams that preach this form of Islam.
Another point which i want to make is that this "European" Muslims priorly lived in a country where religion doesn't matter Yugoslavia,country led by communism,the essence of communist party is atheism.
Then come the Albania which was proclaimed first atheist country in the world,comparing Albanians from Albania to Albanians in other countries are much less religious today,which mean that Albania even had much strict laws on religion than Yugoslavia.Later on time have changed.
This people are led by different ideologies than Islam,but than again it all depends from the above,the influence uppon them,the "ideology".Nationalism in Balkans is lot worse than religion.

LeBrok
25-07-16, 16:00
Holodomir was Melancon.

Angela
25-07-16, 16:08
Holodomir was Melancon.

Thanks for telling me. I'd given him one infraction, and was about to issue another. I should have checked the IP.

No wonder his posts made no sense.

Our other sock account users should take note. I've been told theapricity may be out for good. Don't think, however, that you can park multiple sock accounts here the way that you did over there.

Melancon isn't the only denizen of this underworld who should be reported to the appropriate authorities, and he won't be the only one. Enough is enough.

bicicleur
25-07-16, 16:33
@Bicicleur,
I never said nor implied that letting in tens of thousands of unvetted immigrants was a good idea.

However, you're too smart to conflate things in this way. ISIS is not the motivation behind every crime committed by a Muslim in Europe. Sometimes it's just old fashioned, every day kind of crimes, the kind that happens in every country. Wait to indict ISIS and its propaganda until you know the facts.

If you're saying that when immigrants are unvetted you may be letting in people with mental disorders or criminal backgrounds that's of course true. When, during the second wave of their immigration Cubans were trying to get to the U.S. on rickety boats, Castro opened his prisons and encouraged the inmates to go along too, and we were processing them for crimes for years afterward, and probably to this day.

I have some sympathy for the idea that America has enough home grown criminals and nutjobs. Why import more? That's why I believe that immigration has to be controlled.

As for male on female crime, again I hate to break it to you but men kill women who reject them every single day, and right here in the good, old, U.S. of A. We have a big problem with domestic violence, and so do countries like Australia, but among European countries, those in the Balkans and eastern Europe have the biggest problem, and other than Albania and Kosovo, they don't have a whole heck of a lot of blacks, Muslims, or other third world people.

Based on this map, I think western Europe should ban migration from the Balkans and eastern Europe as well as Muslim countries. Why is there always a different standard for these Europeans?
Indeed, I think, based on their behavior during the Balkan Wars, all Balkanite male immigrants over a certain age should be deported and the younger ones should be under surveillance. Recognize the sarcasm here, people?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed .jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed .jpg

alltough this man is a Syrian, I didn't refer to ISIS nor to Islam

I only referred to a mindset that doesn't belong in Europe.
Just make a walk in your regular summer clothes in the Brussels suburbs and you'll know what I refer to.
If in the future western Europe turns darker green in the map it will be because of immigration.

LABERIA
25-07-16, 17:00
Thanks for telling me. I'd given him one infraction, and was about to issue another. I should have checked the IP.

No wonder his posts made no sense.

Our other sock account users should take note. I've been told theapricity may be out for good. Don't think, however, that you can park multiple sock accounts here the way that you did over there.

Melancon isn't the only denizen of this underworld who should be reported to the appropriate authorities, and he won't be the only one. Enough is enough.

Wait for the Trolll par exellence, davai. He is the epitoma of Trolll.

Tomenable
25-07-16, 17:02
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed .jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Map3.1NEW_Womens_Physical_Security_2011_compressed .jpg

I don't know how they define "physical security", but Sweden is the Rape Capital of Europe, so I doubt the reliability of that map above:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

bicicleur
25-07-16, 17:18
I don't know how they define "physical security", but Sweden is the Rape Capital of Europe, so I doubt the reliability of that map above:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

and the Swedish authorities deny any connection with immigration .. because that would be racism

P.S. I guess India should be darker coloured in this map
so far the accuracy of these kind of maps

Milan
25-07-16, 17:40
I don't know how they define "physical security", but Sweden is the Rape Capital of Europe, so I doubt the reliability of that map above:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg
I also like to comment on this.
[email protected]
Physical security of women is defined by what? domestic violence?
While certain women law aren't implemented,women right's could be better regarding the authorities particularly about domestic violence, the law should be stricter(which is happening already) that kind of "patriarchy" is dead already in most parts,I can not agree on security of women in case of rapes etc since in the USA or certain parts of western Europe,has certain ghettos where no one is feeling safe to walk in,while in most parts of Balkans you can walk every time of day or night without being in danger,this might look like sarcasm to you but is truth.
About deporting the Balkan immigrants from the war or being under surveliance,do it right away but i doubt this was fair comparison since i do not remember even one "terrorist" attack coming from refugees of the Yugoslav wars,as we have seen some recently,if i am wrong please correct me,while i do not advocate deportation of anyone,and i do not see a sarcasm in such comparison.

LABERIA
25-07-16, 18:08
The tip is to not listen to anything LeBrok says. And also do not take his bait. He is just a payed disinformation agent. I would love him to contact me (the proper authorities) so I can finally have his address. hahahahahaha

Well, there are two options:
You are a payed person.
You are a sick, a very sick person.
Let us informe your family. We can not help you. Maybe your family can do something.

Angela
25-07-16, 18:38
Well, there are two options:
You are a payed person.
You are a sick, a very sick person.
Let us informe your family. We can not help you. Maybe your family can do something.

Families often can't control people like this. It's time for the authorities to get involved. For all you supposed adults who give cover to people like this, this is the kind of young men who unleashes havoc on his neighbors, but hey, he's white so I guess that's ok. I'm sure you'd love to have him immigrate to your country.

srdceleva
25-07-16, 18:55
I don't know how they define "physical security", but Sweden is the Rape Capital of Europe, so I doubt the reliability of that map above:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

I also thought angelas map was a little strange, women are just as safe if not safer in slovakia than in western countries ive lived in like England and Austria, not sure where that data was taken from. it makes it seem as though slovakia is as dangerous for women as syria.

Angela
25-07-16, 18:58
I also like to comment on this.
[email protected]
Physical security of women is defined by what? domestic violence?
While certain women law aren't implemented,women right's could be better regarding the authorities particularly about domestic violence, the law should be stricter(which is happening already) that kind of "patriarchy" is dead already in most parts,I can not agree on security of women in case of rapes etc since in the USA or certain parts of western Europe,has certain ghettos where no one is feeling safe to walk in,while in most parts of Balkans you can walk every time of day or night without being in danger,this might look like sarcasm to you but is truth.
About deporting the Balkan immigrants from the war or being under surveliance,do it right away but i doubt this was fair comparison since i do not remember even one "terrorist" attack coming from refugees of the Yugoslav wars,as we have seen some recently,if i am wrong please correct me,while i do not advocate deportation of anyone,and i do not see a sarcasm in such comparison.

Physical violence of any kind, which includes rapes, assaults, what have you, in the home as well as on the street from strangers. What do you think it means? Do you think all these international organizations are out to get you? They don't understand your inter-ethnic squabbling; they don't even know about it in most cases, other than some vague generalities about the Balkan wars. More Slav paranoia?

What I am seeing in operation on this thread is the typical reaction when reality collides with prejudice and racism....deny the data. I don't care what organization compiles the statistics, the general parameters are as shown and are well known to law enforcement around the world. There is more violence against women in the Balkans and Eastern Europe than in western Europe. I realize that may not be what you want to believe, but it is what it is.

Look to your own culture. Given other statistics on life style, I would say that again drunkenness is a big factor. So is poverty, or disenfranchisement. When men feel powerless, and then you add alcohol into the mix, they can take their frustrations out on those weaker than themselves, like their wives and children, even if they are supposed to care for and protect them. Violence against your wife has always been considered acceptable to a certain extent in a lot of countries. I can't believe this is news to you. Not every woman has the gumption of someone like my grandmother in law, who told me that she had told her husband before they married; if you ever put a hand on me in anger, never go to sleep again.

This shouldn't be news to any of you. You must be willfully blind.

As for the Balkan analogy, I was being sarcastic. I was trying to point out how unfair it would have been to pre-judge all men from the Balkans based on what only some of them had done.

You're also sadly mistaken, however, if you think that Balkan and Eastern European men haven't exported their misogyny, criminality and violence against women to the west. Where have you been? Who is responsible for the tens of thousands of abused young women who have been forced into prostitution, even minors? It's disgusting and horrifying. For a period, you couldn't walk certain areas in Italy because you were knee deep in prostitutes and their Balkan or Russian pimps. Do you also really want me to pull statistics for other crimes, incarceration, by nationality in western European countries? Can it have escaped you how unpopular this kind of immigration is as well in certain western countries?

Of course, it could have been worse, but once the spotlight of the world was turned on the Balkans, and the war was over, these courageous he men when they had guns against helpless women and children, went to hide under their beds, change their names etc. I'm sure many of those who went to the west didn't want to draw attention to themselves lest their crimes come to light. Then again, I think only Muslim women were apparently considered deserving of mass rape, yes?

It's all sick making.

Tomenable
25-07-16, 19:06
Things such as patchy pavements also decrease physical security for a woman wearing high heels.

So countries with lesser quality footways = lower physical security of women in such statistics. :smile:

Tomenable
25-07-16, 19:14
Should I say hi Melancon (?). :thinking:

Angela
25-07-16, 19:19
Things such as patchy pavements also decrease physical security for a woman wearing high heels.

So countries with lesser quality footways = lower physical security of women in such statistics. :smile:

What an incredibly stupid remark. There's a limit to how much tolerance I'll give to someone because he's young. Keep it up and you'll go the same way as your psychotic, racist buddy. I don't care how much decent content you've provided. Chiaro?

bicicleur
25-07-16, 19:54
Physical violence of any kind, which includes rapes, assaults, what have you, in the home as well as on the street from strangers. What do you think it means? Do you think all these international organizations are out to get you? They don't understand your inter-ethnic squabbling; they don't even know about it in most cases, other than some vague generalities about the Balkan wars. More Slav paranoia?

What I am seeing in operation on this thread is the typical reaction when reality collides with prejudice and racism....deny the data. I don't care what organization compiles the statistics, the general parameters are as shown and are well known to law enforcement around the world. There is more violence against women in the Balkans and Eastern Europe than in western Europe. I realize that may not be what you want to believe, but it is what it is.

Look to your own culture. Given other statistics on life style, I would say that again drunkenness is a big factor. So is poverty, or disenfranchisement. When men feel powerless, and then you add alcohol into the mix, they can take their frustrations out on those weaker than themselves, like their wives and children, even if they are supposed to care for and protect them. Violence against your wife has always been considered acceptable to a certain extent in a lot of countries. I can't believe this is news to you. Not every woman has the gumption of someone like my grandmother in law, who told me that she had told her husband before they married; if you ever put a hand on me in anger, never go to sleep again.

This shouldn't be news to any of you. You must be willfully blind.

As for the Balkan analogy, I was being sarcastic. I was trying to point out how unfair it would have been to pre-judge all men from the Balkans based on what only some of them had done.

You're also sadly mistaken, however, if you think that Balkan and Eastern European men haven't exported their misogyny, criminality and violence against women to the west. Where have you been? Who is responsible for the tens of thousands of abused young women who have been forced into prostitution, even minors? It's disgusting and horrifying. For a period, you couldn't walk certain areas in Italy because you were knee deep in prostitutes and their Balkan or Russian pimps. Do you also really want me to pull statistics for other crimes, incarceration, by nationality in western European countries? Can it have escaped you how unpopular this kind of immigration is as well in certain western countries?

Of course, it could have been worse, but once the spotlight of the world was turned on the Balkans, and the war was over, these courageous he men when they had guns against helpless women and children, went to hide under their beds, change their names etc. I'm sure many of those who went to the west didn't want to draw attention to themselves lest their crimes come to light. Then again, I think only Muslim women were apparently considered deserving of mass rape, yes?

It's all sick making.

I don't know how it is in Italy, but in Belgium for a while forced prostitution was in the hands of the Albanian maffia.
These people had nothing to do with Balkan people in general.

I have known a few people which are labelled 'Russian maffia'.
Actually they were Georgian Jews, and a lot of them live in Antwerp.
They were organizing the whole operation but they got the aid of some corrupt Russian officials with whom they were familiar allready in the Sovjet era.

Oh, and the main immigrants from Bulgaria and Roumenia into western Europe are gipsies.
Their bussiness model is less complicated but isn't allways very legal either.

Angela
25-07-16, 21:22
Really? Albanians are not from the Balkans, now? Or perhaps their Muslim ancestors predispose them to this criminal behavior? Only the ones with criminal propensities converted? Then I guess Serbs are genetically predisposed to the building of concentration camps, mass rape and mass murder? Let's not even get to the Germans.

For your information, lots of ethnic Russians are involved in all aspects of that despicable trade in human flesh, even the flesh of children, and the narcotics trade and untold other horrors. I could get into what I think of grown, Christian born, European white men who pay for it and then no doubt congratulate themselves on being so much more civilized than those who provide it.

Is there no limit to your prejudices? To say I'm disappointed is a vast understatement.

bicicleur
25-07-16, 22:45
Really? Albanians are not from the Balkans, now? Or perhaps their Muslim ancestors predispose them to this criminal behavior? Only the ones with criminal propensities converted? Then I guess Serbs are genetically predisposed to the building of concentration camps, mass rape and mass murder? Let's not even get to the Germans.

For your information, lots of ethnic Russians are involved in all aspects of that despicable trade in human flesh, even the flesh of children, and the narcotics trade and untold other horrors. I could get into what I think of grown, Christian born, European white men who pay for it and then no doubt congratulate themselves on being so much more civilized than those who provide it.

Is there no limit to your prejudices? To say I'm disappointed is a vast understatement.

you were talking about exported criminality, violence and forced prostitution and Balkan and Russian pimps in western Europe
yes Albanians are Balkan, but not all Balkans are Albanian and not all Albanians are mafia
and I didn't mention Muslims
I was telling about export of forced prostitution and criminality from Balkans to Belgium, I even told I don't know how it is in Italy
and am I obliged to mention the German concentration camps when I adress such topic?


you were talking about exported criminality, violence and forced prostitution and Balkan and Russian pimps in western Europe




You're also sadly mistaken, however, if you think that Balkan and Eastern European men haven't exported their misogyny, criminality and violence against women to the west. Where have you been? Who is responsible for the tens of thousands of abused young women who have been forced into prostitution, even minors? It's disgusting and horrifying. For a period, you couldn't walk certain areas in Italy because you were knee deep in prostitutes and their Balkan or Russian pimps. Do you also really want me to pull statistics for other crimes, incarceration, by nationality in western European countries? Can it have escaped you how unpopular this kind of immigration is as well in certain western countries?


I sould have isolated that part of your quote when commenting

LeBrok
26-07-16, 03:11
I don't know how they define "physical security", but Sweden is the Rape Capital of Europe, so I doubt the reliability of that map above:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/(A)_Rape_rates_per_100000_population_2010-2012,_world.jpg

Short memory Tomenable? We talked about this before. Swedes change the way they count rape. If a group of men rapes one women 10 times, that's ten rapes according to new swedish law. In the rest of the world this incident is counted as 1 rape. Same as bad husband rapes his wife for years, and finally she reports, in most countries it is one instance of rape. In Sweden that would count for hundreds of rapes. That's why sweden stands out so much in rape statistics. And you already assumed that these bad Muslims constantly rape white Swedish christian women.