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Tomenable
10-08-16, 16:19
Putting an ancient sample through a product designed to detect ancestry in modern people may not provide total enlightenment, but since genomes can be uploaded to DNA.Land for free, I've decided to upload some ancient genomes just for fun, and see what their "Ancestry Reports" say. Here is "Ancestry Report" for ElMiron sample (Upper Paleolithic woman from Magdalenian culture):

https://dna.land

https://s10.postimg.org/45cvk7gih/Magdalenian.png

I called her "Johnny Oldman", after John Oldman from "The Man From Earth" 2007 movie: :laughing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Earth


The plot focuses on John Oldman, a departing university professor, who claims to be a Cro-Magnon (or Magdalenian caveman) who has secretly survived for more than 14,000 years. (...)

Tomenable
10-08-16, 16:58
I have uploaded Villabruna and Khvalynsk. Results should be available within 24 hours.

Athiudisc
10-08-16, 20:08
Pretty neat. Thanks. :)

Tomenable
10-08-16, 20:14
Villabruna sample (hunter with R1b from Upper Paleolithic Italy):

https://s9.postimg.org/wp1v4mv6n/Villabruna.png

https://s9.postimg.org/wp1v4mv6n/Villabruna.png

Tomenable
10-08-16, 20:36
Here a paper about that Villabruna skeleton:

http://www.isita-org.com/jass/Contents/2008%20vol86/09_Vercelotti.pdf

Face reconstruction of Villabruna (skip to 2:15):


https://vimeo.com/164767929

Looks "North Slavic": :petrified:

https://s9.postimg.org/t4h5hcxlr/Villabruna_face.png

Tomenable
10-08-16, 21:24
Forget about Villabruna - this is more interesting:

Khvalynsk culture, sample I0122 from the Volga Region:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khvalynsk

"Ancestry Report" from DNA.Land - 75% "North Slavic" (!):

https://s10.postimg.org/ck84j9wyh/Khvalynsk_sample_I0122.png

https://s10.postimg.org/ck84j9wyh/Khvalynsk_sample_I0122.png

Hauteville
10-08-16, 22:51
Some interesting results.

Tomenable
11-08-16, 06:36
Yamnaya culture, sample I0443 (Lopatino II, Sok River):

https://s10.postimg.org/7cru39ofd/Yamna_I0443.png

Tomenable
11-08-16, 08:03
"Northwest European" - reference populations include Norwegians, Orcadians, Icelanders:

https://s10.postimg.org/7hr7k3umh/Ivan_Yamnayev.png

https://s10.postimg.org/7hr7k3umh/Ivan_Yamnayev.png

Tomenable
11-08-16, 08:05
This shows in which modern populations alleles found in ancient samples peak. So this makes perfect sense, because already Haak 2015 wrote that North-East Europeans (such as Lithuanians and Belarusians) and Scandinavians (such as Norwegians or Norwegian-descended Orcadians and Icelanders) have the highest percent of Yamnaya ancestry. Therefore it is no surprise that this "Ancestry Report" for ancient Yamnaya sample looks like ancestry report for some modern person with mixed Belarusian-Norwegian-Indo-Iranian grandparents.

Arame
11-08-16, 10:01
You upload just the BAM file? Without any conversion?

Tomenable
11-08-16, 10:23
You upload just the BAM file? Without any conversion?

I am currently uploading only genomes from this list:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cnnmb7cym9aer09/AAB-l36I2WjMXNhZYFe6wN3pa?dl=0

I think they are already in proper format, or DNA.Land is converting them.

I just download from that link and upload to DNA.Land.

Do you know where can I download more genomes?

I also downloaded and tried to upload RISE598 from this link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4P...enN2SnZfWE9PUEE (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4Ph8NJKscV6fnBqdnIxQVI4dmhYaFY3TkhLTVBmR29VdldYM VlrVlEwenN2SnZfWE9PUEE)

But it did not work and I got the following message:

"Upload failed: internal error (code 4608.20212275)"

Maciamo
11-08-16, 10:28
Great idea, Tommenable!

It's interesting that the Yamnaya sample is equally divided between NW and NE Europe. It also confirms the 15% or so of European admixture in the Indus Valley and confirms one more time the link to the Bronze Age Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

The Villabruna was not a WHG but an EHG who wandered all the way to Italy, as I had guessed (http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32260-The-genetic-history-of-Ice-Age-Europe?p=479418&viewfull=1#post479418) when his R1b result was announced in May.

Alan
11-08-16, 11:39
"Northwest European" - reference populations include Norwegians, Orcadians, Icelanders:

https://s10.postimg.org/7hr7k3umh/Ivan_Yamnayev.png

https://s10.postimg.org/7hr7k3umh/Ivan_Yamnayev.pngIndeed but what I also realized is that it is pretty much European centered (which makes for them sense). It first tries to explain the admixture by European ancestries and anything else that simply isn't found in Europe get's explained with additional outside admixture.

Means Since Northeast and Northwest Europeans have significant enough EEF and CHG/Iran_Neo admixture it most of the time doesn't need anything else to explain. Expect Khvalynsk which indicates that this culture must had even more ancestry that is typical for South_Central Asia today and is not found in modern Europeans.

If the calculator was South_Central Asian centric for example it would explain some of the EHG found ion Yamnaya simply as "SOuth_Central Asian" ancestry and explain everything additional EHG not found in this part of the region as "Northeast European".

As you said yourself these calculators made for modern populations are not very usefull for ancient once.

Angela
11-08-16, 14:52
Indeed but what I also realized is that it is pretty much European centered (which makes for them sense). It first tries to explain the admixture by European ancestries and anything else that simply isn't found in Europe get's explained with additional outside admixture.

Means Since Northeast and Northwest Europeans have significant enough EEF and CHG/Iran_Neo admixture it most of the time doesn't need anything else to explain. Expect Khvalynsk which indicates that this culture must had even more ancestry that is typical for South_Central Asia today and is not found in modern Europeans.

If the calculator was South_Central Asian centric for example it would explain some of the EHG found ion Yamnaya simply as "SOuth_Central Asian" ancestry and explain everything additional EHG not found in this part of the region as "Northeast European".

As you said yourself these calculators made for modern populations are not very usefull for ancient once.

Exactly. People who don't really understand how this works could very easily misinterpret the results.

Arame
11-08-16, 15:34
Tomenable

Here are all Allentoft samples converted to CVS

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/0B4Ph8NJKscV6fnBqdnIxQVI4dmhYaFY3TkhLTVBmR29VdldYM VlrVlEwenN2SnZfWE9PUEE?usp=sharing#list

davef
11-08-16, 16:04
"Giovanni" Villabruna....good one tomenable. Lol! If this is stored in some publicly accessible database people would ask if he's adapted from parents of Russian and Irish descent!

Kidding aside, these results are interesting

Alan
11-08-16, 16:28
Exactly. People who don't really understand how this works could very easily misinterpret the results.

Not only this. Villabruna sample is not really EHG or WHG or anything. A Villabruna like population contributed almost ~40% of it's ancestry to Iran_Neo. CHG itself is around ~60% something Villabruna like. Even Anatolian_Neo has it. So Villabruna is not EHG, CHG, Iran_Neo or whatever. EHG, CHG, IranNeo are part something Villabruna like.

I assume therefore that this "Villabruna" cluster reflects an Mesolithic South_Central Asian population that went threeways. through the Iranian_Plateau into West Asia, through the Central Asian route into the European Steppes and either trough West Asia or the Steppes to Italy. The authors always mention that Villabruna has some ancestry that is specific Near Eastern. I think this what they call "specific Near Eastern" is shown in this calculator as the "Southwest European" and some of the NW European and Northeast European ancestry. Since we known the "Atlanto_Med" component of amateur calculators is basically EEF and "Northeast European " as well Northwest European ancestry definitely includes allot of CHG and EEF too. I assume Villabruna in Italy came via the Anatolian route likely from the Iranian_Plateau or the Caucasus.

Hauteville
11-08-16, 17:18
I've noticed at lot of ancient samples also from Europe score some "Central Asian" (Kalash, Indo Iranian et al.) admixture. I've seen a significant numbers of modern Europeans who score it as well. I guess it's a signal of ancient Indoeuropean stratum.

Angela
11-08-16, 17:28
In the youtube video linked above, David Reich says roughly the following: that around 14,000 years ago at the end of the Ice Age, a new population, "much" more closely related to "present day people of the Near East" appeared in the archaeological record. It might be a migration from the Near East into Europe, or into both the Near East and Europe from a refugia in Greece or Western Asia, as in present day Turkey.

He doesn't believe, clearly, that the evidence points to them "originating" in far northeastern Europe, as some had been insisting even after the Villabruna paper came out.

That's all we know so far without other samples and more analysis, and I don't mean analysis by amateur bloggers.

Tomenable
11-08-16, 20:57
If Villabruna was an early EHG (perhaps Pre-ANE admixture EHG) as Maciamo points out, then the reason why present-day Near Easterners are closer to Villabruna, is because descendants of EHG (mixed with CHG) - the Yamnaya culture - migrated to the Near East, spreading IE languages and EHG ancestry there. So Villabruna is not similar to present-day Near Easterners because he came from the Neart East, but because "his" descendants migrated there. Either his descendants, or descendants of other EHGs like him (more likely).

Most likely for the same reason, Yamnaya shows this 12% affinity with present-day Indus Valley population. It is because descendants of Yamnaya (Indo-Aryans) migrated to Indus Valley, not because 12% of Yamnaya ancestors had come from there.

Tomenable
11-08-16, 21:00
I've noticed at lot of ancient samples also from Europe score some "Central Asian" (Kalash, Indo Iranian et al.) admixture. I've seen a significant numbers of modern Europeans who score it as well. I guess it's a signal of ancient Indoeuropean stratum.

Modern Irish people score about 2-3% "Kalash", and Bronze Age Irishmen from Rathlin Island also score this.

Tomenable
11-08-16, 21:04
He doesn't believe, clearly, that the evidence points to them "originating" in far northeastern Europe

Far northeastern Europe was totally uninhabited at that time, because it was the LGM. Ancestors of EHG survived the LGM somewhere near the Black Sea or somewhere near the Mediterranean Sea, and only later spread north, after the ice sheets had retreated.

Villabruna was not a Near Easterner - he was autosomally either a WHG or an EHG (but probably with less or no ANE).

Simply because he survived the LGM somewhere near Anatolia doesn't make him an "ENF-like" person.

Just like being born in a stable doesn't make one a horse.

Angela
11-08-16, 22:42
Far northeastern Europe was totally uninhabited at that time, because it was the LGM. Ancestors of EHG survived the LGM somewhere near the Black Sea or somewhere near the Mediterranean Sea, and only later spread north, after the ice sheets had retreated.

Villabruna was not a Near Easterner - he was autosomally either a WHG or an EHG (but probably with less or no ANE).

Simply because he survived the LGM somewhere near Anatolia doesn't make him an "ENF-like" person.

Just like being born in a stable doesn't make one a horse.

Who claimed he was an ENF person? It sure wasn't me. Let's cut it out with the straw man arguments, ok?

Also, please don't pretend that there weren't some bloggers and posters who were very upset at any suggestion that these people came from Anatolia or even Greece, much less places deeper in the Near East, and insisted that they moved from somewhere in the far northeast to eastern Europe and then moved southwest to the Balkans and Italy, not the reverse, never setting their "proto-Europoid" sacred feet in the Near East. If that kind of attitude was stupid, blame them, not me. I pointed out at the time how dumb that was.

The point I was trying to make was actually in response to Alan's post, and it was to express my opinion that we actually don't know whether this group originated in South Central Asia, although it's possible, nor do we yet know the precise relationship between Villabruna, EHG, CHG etc.

As for your post #21, it honestly amazes me into what rhetorical knots you're willing to tie yourself in order to try to prove that no "real" Near Eastern or Indian genetic material, which I guess to you means "Basal Eurasian" or "ASE" made it into Europeans, or at least not into Slavs. Unfortunately for you, it did, with those pesky Near Eastern farmers become European farmers, and those CHG types who were also very high in "Basal Eurasian". Or did you forget about that?

Hauteville
11-08-16, 23:19
Modern Irish people score about 2-3% "Kalash", and Bronze Age Irishmen from Rathlin Island also score this.


I also myself score 1.1% of ambiguous Central Asian who peaks between Kalash and Indo Iranian.

MOESAN
12-08-16, 01:31
Here a paper about that Villabruna skeleton:



Face reconstruction of Villabruna (skip to 2:15):


https://vimeo.com/164767929

Looks "North Slavic": :petrified:

https://s9.postimg.org/t4h5hcxlr/Villabruna_face.png

I'm sorry the frontal doesn't seem corresppnding to the crania picture we have. Concerning the nose, a big part of bet I think. And there is no kind of "north-slavic" phenotype according to me. THanks for the docs, nevertheless.

Hauteville
12-08-16, 15:15
This reconstruction could pass for a modern Italian, especially for a northern Italian.

Angela
12-08-16, 15:28
This reconstruction could pass for a modern Italian, especially for a northern Italian.

Not exact, but someone like him, I think?


Types like this are certainly not rare in Emilia...looks like some of my relatives on my dad's side. In fact, my brother looks quite a bit like him, although he hasn't let himself go like this. I tease him that if he doesn't curb his liking for good food, he's going to look like him in old age. :)

http://www.caveaudelteatro.it/DATA/immagini/450x450/Zucchero%20Fornaciari.jpg

http://www.informazione.tv/img/public/0000%20Sipario/zucchero.jpg

He's changed incredibly over the years.
http://fotogallery.donnaclick.it/images/2014/02/cantanti-sanremo-8.jpg

Irene, his daughter:
http://www.gazzettadasti.it/wp-content/themes/blognews/timthumb.php?src=http://www.gazzettadasti.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Irene-Fornaciari1.jpe&q=90&w=629&zc=1

Tomenable
12-08-16, 18:44
Man I0104 from Esperstedt in Germany (Corded Ware culture, his haplogroup was R1a, but a Western subclade of R1a):

https://s9.postimg.org/ivs2v27in/CWC_I0104.png

Hauteville
12-08-16, 18:55
Again Central Asian is visible.

Tomenable
12-08-16, 19:07
I am also waiting for results of that Karelian EHG with R1a from Red Deer Island:

About the Red Deer Island cemetery: http://www.umich.edu/~anth282/Olenii.pdf

Tomenable
13-08-16, 00:49
Karelian hunter I0061 with R1a:

https://s9.postimg.org/ov5ogzswf/Karelian_HG.png

Tomenable
13-08-16, 11:28
Bell Beaker woman, sample I0112 from Quedlinburg in Germany:

No any "Central Asian" showed up, unlike in case of that Corded Ware sample:

4% "Southwest European" (reference pops: Basques, Iberians, South French):

https://s9.postimg.org/zailu3llb/Bell_Beaker.png

And this is I1300 Chalcolithic woman from El Mirador in Spain:

https://s9.postimg.org/vztdez7pb/Chalc_Iberia.png

Hauteville
13-08-16, 22:51
I want to se genomes from Italian BB.

Tomenable
20-08-16, 14:45
Man Oase1 lived ca. 40,000 years ago in Romania, but he was not ancestral to modern Europeans:


The authors analyzed DNA from a 37,000-42,000-year-old modern human from Peştera cu Oase, Romania. They found that on the order of six to nine percent of the genome of the Oase individual is derived from Neanderthals, more than any other modern human sequenced to date. Three chromosomal segments of Neanderthal ancestry are over 50 cM in size, indicating that this individual had a Neanderthal ancestor as recently as four to six generations back. The Oase individual does not share more alleles with later Europeans than with East Asians, suggesting that the Oase population did not contribute substantially to later humans in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peștera_cu_Oase#Oase_1

Map:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/daily/graphics/romania_092004.gif

^^^ "Ancestry Report" from DNA.Land for Oase1 from Peştera cu Oase in Romania looks like this:

https://s3.postimg.io/4icmrca37/Oase.png

MOESAN
21-08-16, 23:24
My credo (for now):
We cannot say 'villabruna' is from Iran plateau (everlasting cradle of the whole humanity) nor affirm 12% 'indus' are from Indus Valley people introduced into Steppes nor 12% 'indus' is the part of Steppes introduced into Indus Valley. Modern auDNA "components" are gerographically determined based upon today location, not ancient location. And drift occurred eliminating some genes and creating new genes in pops. Our hard "job" is to discriminate between elements of far ancient ancestry heritage and elements linked to crossings with compact groups migration: hard! Here, if it's not the best way to calculate genetic global distances, we need a bit of IBD when possible. I suppose the more distant the pops the more difficult it is.
What is sure is that the pops expanding after LGM expanded rather from southern positions, West or East: it leaves us a lot of places though. But I red that nevertheless some Central Asian places were not so cold as others of the same latitude, so if true, Iberia, Italy, S-Balkans, Caucasus-N-East and Iran, India are not the only places to take in account for ancestors places.

MOESAN
21-08-16, 23:52
I know it's very sensible that our ancestors came through someplace between Levant and India, or rather they crossed them, but they had not evolved all of them in the same place and had not yet at those old times specialized forms like to date (say: southern or east-southern 'european' looks). No flag.
Concerning people pf N-E Europe I think their southern component was more on the EEF/Anatolia side than on the CHG-proto-iran side. IT's surely not a hazard if they show almost no 'gedrosia' (less than Basques! interesting here too!) and conversely more 'sardinian' than Basque can have.

holderlin
28-08-16, 20:36
Whoa, this is really interesting. I know we have to be careful with conclusions, but it's still real data.

Oase 1 is fascinating, as is the Oceania and SE Asian in El Miron, which must be from Goyet.

To keep Alan happy we'll just all come to an understanding that NW and NE European is something like Anatolian Neo/EHG-WHG/Chalc Iran. Does that work Alan? Although it's strange because 3/4 of Villabruna is in modern NE Europeans ( 98% in NW+NE and 1% SW Europe), yet he himself had no basal Eurasian? This is why people are saying that the near Eastern affinity in Villabruna was from Villabruna like populations moving into the Near East and not the other way around. Am I getting this right? And how can this be the case if Yamnaya is such a large part of NE and NW Euros? I could be falling into the trap of interpreting this kind of data backwards. I dunno. I think it's actually that we're still missing large chunks needed to see what actually happened, but this may never change.

The Native American in Early steppe, but not Villabruna and Yamnaya is interesting, as is the lack of Central Asian in Bell Beaker, which I think is in some way related to what I'm getting at in the above musing.

holderlin
28-08-16, 20:36
I've been reading some really interesting stuff lately. Supposedly they're finding a disruption in the Cosmic Ray background. This is really strange because it's a constant, homogeneous energy theorized to be the left over signal from the Big Bang when the universe was created. The distortion is being seen in a region that is roughly defined by the Iranian plateau. The latest models suggests that the universe itself may have actually grew out of a singularity that emerged in the region. Supposedly a new paper's coming out soon and the rumors are swirling. Apparently there may be parallel Iranian Plateaus that periodically collide with each other. These collisions are the actual source of the energy that causes events like the big bang.

Angela
28-08-16, 22:41
Sorry, but why is it exactly that some of us are using an Admixture calculator based on modern populations, which one of its authors says gives only "approximate" or general information for a couple of hundred years into the past even for those modern populations, in order to figure out the relationship of ancient peoples who are only going to be very marginally captured by these tools?

I honestly don't get it. Anything we say based on these things is strictly in the "wild speculation" universe.

See:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32685-Commercial-DNA-tests-have-difficulty-determining-ancestry?p=488226#post488226

Tomenable
29-08-16, 02:20
Ancestry report for RISE598 (Turlojiškė near Lithuanian-Polish border, Bronze Age):

https://s13.postimg.io/c92zebbo7/RISE598_Lithuania_Bronze_Age.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 02:28
DNA Land ancestry report for Altai Neanderthal:

As we can see DNA Land chose 2/3 Bushman + 1/3 Pygmy as a surrogate for archaic Homo:

https://s15.postimg.io/pih17d08b/Altai_Neanderthal.png

Edit:

Denisova Hominin is similar, but 1/2 Bushman + 1/2 Pygmy:

https://s22.postimg.io/5zrqhjzht/Denisowczyk.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 02:37
Pre-Columbian Peru (sample NA41 - he was either one of Chachapoyas or one of Incas):

https://s13.postimg.io/5640t5cyf/Precolumbian_Peru_NA41.png

MARC1492 - Mi'kmaq woman from Listuguj in Canada, she lived around 400 years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%27kmaq

http://linearpopulationmodel.blogspot.com/2015/08/f3-statistics-for-eight-holocene-aged.html

https://s9.postimg.io/wa1fsrctb/Mikmaq_Indian.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 03:37
Irish Neolithic - Ballynahatty (sample from Cassidy 2016):

https://s9.postimg.io/5491jg00v/Neolityczna_Irlandia.png

This only confirms that there was a post-Neolithic replacement:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10963-016-9093-0

http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full

https://s11.postimg.io/3lqtvoq9v/Irish_Pop_Replacement.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 03:50
Ancestry Report from DNA Land for Tianyuan Cave man (lived ca. 40,000 years ago):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianyuan_man

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianyuan_Cave

https://s3.postimg.io/bge10p5k3/Tianyuan_Cave.png

Upper Paleolithic Kostenki 14 man from southern Russia (also ca. 40,000 ybp):

https://s9.postimg.io/ng9j494vz/Kostenki_14.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 04:01
Woman RISE145 - Bronze Age Unetice culture, sample from Polwica in Western Poland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polwica,_Greater_Poland_Voivodeship

https://s11.postimg.io/m8zkp3dmr/RISE145.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 07:41
Iran Neolithic (sample I1290):

https://s22.postimg.io/uc8ginq0h/Iran_Neo.png

Iran Copper Age (sample I1661):

https://s21.postimg.io/fd5gror7b/Iran_Chalc.png

Tomenable
29-08-16, 10:48
Sample NG21-10 from Serbia (ca. 6600 years before present):

https://s15.postimg.io/b901jyzkb/NG21_10_Serbia_6600_ybp.png

Boreas
29-08-16, 11:24
Tomenable, I did it as well,

Now, Can you do the same things for the sample from a little bit South Europe? I want to compare them with my results.

Tomenable
29-08-16, 12:00
RISE1 - Corded Ware man from Obłaczkowo in Poland:

https://s16.postimg.io/ppg1nod1h/RISE1.jpg

Tomenable
29-08-16, 23:19
DNA Land Ancestry Report for RISE98 (Battle Axe man from Lilla Beddinge in southern Sweden):

https://s18.postimg.io/f8tbforpl/RISE_98.png

Autosomally 50% "Northwest Euro" and 43% "North Slavic" plus Y-DNA haplogroup R1b-U106:

https://s18.postimg.io/6tvoh3wux/RISE98.png

https://s18.postimg.io/6tvoh3wux/RISE98.png

Tomenable
30-08-16, 00:42
DNA Land Ancestry Report for I0118 from Alberstedt (Bell Beaker / CWC mix) looks interesting:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/copperbronzeagedna.shtml

https://s18.postimg.io/58sy6sve1/ALB3.png

https://s17.postimg.io/dta0dx4z3/I0118.png

It shows high "Southwestern European" (which is equivalent to Iberian, Basque, South French):

https://s17.postimg.io/dta0dx4z3/I0118.png

Tomenable
30-08-16, 01:16
Samara Oblast Sok River EHG (sample I0124); 5650-5555 BC:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

https://s18.postimg.io/gzfabn95l/Samara_EHG.png

Tomenable
30-08-16, 01:20
Tomenable, I did it as well,

Now, Can you do the same things for the sample from a little bit South Europe? I want to compare them with my results.

Not South Europe, but South nonetheless - Early Bronze Age Jordan (Ain Ghazal, sample I1706, 2490-2300 BCE):

https://s17.postimg.io/dusq2wwj3/Jordan_EBA.png

Ukko
30-08-16, 01:31
Samara Oblast Sok River EHG (sample I0124); 5650-5555 BC:

http://www.ancestraljourneys.org/mesolithicdna.shtml

https://s18.postimg.io/gzfabn95l/Samara_EHG.png


This is the one with the highest "Finnish" so far?

Tomenable
30-08-16, 01:31
DNA Land Ancestry Report for Anzick-1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzick-1

https://s18.postimg.io/z130n6sk9/Clovis_Anzick_1.png

Silesian
30-08-16, 03:36
I think Samar Morgan score the highest North Slavic+Finnish combo=92%

holderlin
30-08-16, 18:58
The Bell Beaker/Corded ware is very interesting. It's starting to really look like the Bell Beaker phenomenon was in fact IEs tapping copper resources for bronze production.

@Angela people are engaging the data because it's interesting. It's that simple. I know it has to be interpreted in a certain way that may not be intuitive to some, but it's still just another way to present ancient DNA. And it's all in one spot with nice looking graphical representations. It's a good thing. Sometimes you miss something in the data until you see it presented in a new way, like this for example.

MOESAN
03-09-16, 19:08
Indeed but what I also realized is that it is pretty much European centered (which makes for them sense). It first tries to explain the admixture by European ancestries and anything else that simply isn't found in Europe get's explained with additional outside admixture.

Means Since Northeast and Northwest Europeans have significant enough EEF and CHG/Iran_Neo admixture it most of the time doesn't need anything else to explain. Expect Khvalynsk which indicates that this culture must had even more ancestry that is typical for South_Central Asia today and is not found in modern Europeans.

If the calculator was South_Central Asian centric for example it would explain some of the EHG found ion Yamnaya simply as "SOuth_Central Asian" ancestry and explain everything additional EHG not found in this part of the region as "Northeast European".

As you said yourself these calculators made for modern populations are not very usefull for ancient once.

I doubt northern Europe component would be that far EEF or CHG/Iran; they are based - I suppose - on modern geographical percentages densties, so I doubt so much ancient "southern" DNA elements could have become denser in North than in South (same reasoning for the opposite, and for other components); if modern northern admixture components are not perfect nor pure in fact - drift exists - they show us something; otherwise Scandinavia would not have so much 'mediter' or other southern component in it, nor Spain have 'northwest' or 'northeast' component in it.
Evidently, if one look at auDNA condition around the 20000 BC or sooner...

MOESAN
03-09-16, 19:23
I relativize my last post. I was more precise in my #36. I want to say it depends on seriousness of the poolings (doubt about too precisely localized pops) and the time distance between the pops compared, but these comparisons are not without interest when sharply examined.
As an example for relativeness, I recall the case of 'west-med', 'southwest-med', 'iberian', 'sardinian' or other categorizations based on today localization which can push us to forget that the most of their component elements came from Anatolia some 7000 years ago.

davef
03-09-16, 19:40
They are interesting and fun! Not really meant for serious academic pursuits. I saw the result for an Iron Age Bulgarian, he scored 100% mediterranean islander! Do you mind running him through dna land? I heard that the results may vary between each run, which is odd...

Sile
03-09-16, 20:56
Not South Europe, but South nonetheless - Early Bronze Age Jordan (Ain Ghazal, sample I1706, 2490-2300 BCE):

https://s17.postimg.io/dusq2wwj3/Jordan_EBA.png



Can you run I1707 on DNA.land

I have seen these below for I1707 and want to compare

Neolithic Anatolia/Southeast Europe: 56.82%,
Paleolithic Levant (Natufians): 24.09%,
Caucasus Hunter / Early European Farmer: 12.51%,
Scandinavian / West European Hunter: 4.16%,

The person had hazel eyes and caucasian light skin...........which seem a rare combination.

Tomenable
04-09-16, 18:13
Famous Kennewick Man:

https://s21.postimg.io/a4pviea53/Kennewick_Man.png


Can you run I1707 on DNA.land

Do you know where can I download this genome? I will try to find it.

Dibran
02-01-17, 05:02
I'm Albanian from Diber. This was my report.
Koci

West Eurasian 100%
Balkan 95%
Sardinian 5.3%