Z140 or something else?

[aualliso]

[probable Y-DNA ignorance but thought I'd ask]

So, I am very new to the Y-DNA scene, but I think I am picking up on stuff fairly quickly. FTDNA placed me within the I-M253 haplogroup. It is my understanding that this haplogroup could be considered part of the "invaders" of England, either the Vikings or Anglo-Saxons. I thought my Y-111 results were kind of unusual, and I was hoping that someone could assist with interpretation. I put my markers into NEVGEN's Y-DNA haplogroup predictor and it came back with the results I1 Z58>Z59>Z60>Z140 with 98.21% certainty, but I felt a few of my markers were outside the norm for this and might point elsewhere.

For example, my DYS462 marker reading is 13. I have read that a marker of 13 is a strong indicator of Norse or Viking ancestry, whereas a marker of 12 is a marker of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

Similarly, and perhaps confusingly, my DYS511 marker is 9, which I read is more Anglo-Saxon, and a marker of 10 is more Norse.

Also, my DYS390 is 22 which I understand to be more Anglo-Saxon, perhaps.

Am I reading these things correctly, or am I mistaken?




CDYa
34


CDYb
36


DYF395S1a
15


DYF395S1b
15


DYF406S1
9


DYS19
14


DYS385a
13


DYS385b
14


DYS388
14


DYS389I
12


DYS389II
28


DYS390
22


DYS391
10


DYS392
11


DYS393
13


DYS413a
22


DYS413b
25


DYS425
12


DYS426
11


DYS434
9


DYS435
11


DYS436
13


DYS437
16


DYS438
10


DYS439
11


DYS441
16


DYS442
13


DYS444
12


DYS445
11


DYS446
13


DYS447
22


DYS448
20


DYS449
26


DYS450
8


DYS452
31


DYS454
11


DYS455
8


DYS456
14


DYS458
16


DYS459a
8


DYS459b
9


DYS460
11


DYS461
12


DYS462
13


DYS463
21


DYS464a
12


DYS464b
14


DYS464c
15


DYS464d
15


DYS472
8


DYS481
26


DYS485
12


DYS487
12


DYS490
12


DYS492
12


DYS494
9


DYS495
16


DYS497
14


DYS504
17


DYS505
11


DYS510
17


DYS511
9


DYS513
13


DYS520
20


DYS522
11


DYS525
10


DYS531
11


DYS532
13


DYS533
11


DYS534
15


DYS537
11


DYS540
12


DYS549
12


DYS552
25


DYS556
12


DYS557
15


DYS561
15


DYS565
11


DYS568
11


DYS570
18


DYS572
11


DYS575
10


DYS576
16


DYS578
8


DYS587
18


DYS589
13


DYS590
8


DYS593
15


DYS594
10


DYS607
15


DYS617
13


DYS632
8


DYS635
22


DYS636
11


DYS638
12


DYS640
11


DYS641
10


DYS643
12


DYS650
17


DYS710
32


DYS712
23


DYS714
24


DYS715
25


DYS716
27


DYS717
19


DYS726
12


YCAIIa
19


YCAIIb
21


Y-GATA-A10
14


Y-GATA-H4
9


Y-GGAAT-1B07
11

[spruithean]

The only thing that can really confirm whether you are Z140 or not is to actually get the proper SNPs tested.

While those DYS markers you mention have their "Anglo-Saxon" and "Norse" looking values they don't always fit perfectly into these categories.

Also a good thing to remember is "Anglo-Saxon" and "Norse" in these contexts does not literally mean Anglo-Saxon and Norse. These haplotype clades were named to show their geographical pulls long before all these various SNPs had been discovered.

[danitora4]

First, would you have the values for 395a, 395b and 406? I would say that given that as you have 390=22, 385a=13, 385b=14 and 511=9, that your kit is Anglo-Saxon in origin. I ran your values through the Cullen subclade predictor, and even with the missing values, it gave a result of I-M253-AS1 =>96%. I know that the AS values are being phased out in favour of SNP values, which are more precise. What I would suggest is joining the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 project in FTDNA, and the Z140 project. There's also a Z140 group on Facebook. Facebook is a very good place to ask questions. I'm the administrator for an uncle's FTDNA kit, and belong to a different branch - M253>Z58>Z138. My uncle's kit has DYS487=13, which points to subclade Z2541.