Z140 or something else?

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[probable Y-DNA ignorance but thought I'd ask]

So, I am very new to the Y-DNA scene, but I think I am picking up on stuff fairly quickly. FTDNA placed me within the I-M253 haplogroup. It is my understanding that this haplogroup could be considered part of the "invaders" of England, either the Vikings or Anglo-Saxons. I thought my Y-111 results were kind of unusual, and I was hoping that someone could assist with interpretation. I put my markers into NEVGEN's Y-DNA haplogroup predictor and it came back with the results I1 Z58>Z59>Z60>Z140 with 98.21% certainty, but I felt a few of my markers were outside the norm for this and might point elsewhere.

For example, my DYS462 marker reading is 13. I have read that a marker of 13 is a strong indicator of Norse or Viking ancestry, whereas a marker of 12 is a marker of Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

Similarly, and perhaps confusingly, my DYS511 marker is 9, which I read is more Anglo-Saxon, and a marker of 10 is more Norse.

Also, my DYS390 is 22 which I understand to be more Anglo-Saxon, perhaps.

Am I reading these things correctly, or am I mistaken?


CDYa34
CDYb36
DYF395S1a15
DYF395S1b15
DYF406S19
DYS1914
DYS385a13
DYS385b14
DYS38814
DYS389I12
DYS389II28
DYS39022
DYS39110
DYS39211
DYS39313
DYS413a22
DYS413b25
DYS42512
DYS42611
DYS4349
DYS43511
DYS43613
DYS43716
DYS43810
DYS43911
DYS44116
DYS44213
DYS44412
DYS44511
DYS44613
DYS44722
DYS44820
DYS44926
DYS4508
DYS45231
DYS45411
DYS4558
DYS45614
DYS45816
DYS459a8
DYS459b9
DYS46011
DYS46112
DYS46213
DYS46321
DYS464a12
DYS464b14
DYS464c15
DYS464d15
DYS4728
DYS48126
DYS48512
DYS48712
DYS49012
DYS49212
DYS4949
DYS49516
DYS49714
DYS50417
DYS50511
DYS51017
DYS5119
DYS51313
DYS52020
DYS52211
DYS52510
DYS53111
DYS53213
DYS53311
DYS53415
DYS53711
DYS54012
DYS54912
DYS55225
DYS55612
DYS55715
DYS56115
DYS56511
DYS56811
DYS57018
DYS57211
DYS57510
DYS57616
DYS5788
DYS58718
DYS58913
DYS5908
DYS59315
DYS59410
DYS60715
DYS61713
DYS6328
DYS63522
DYS63611
DYS63812
DYS64011
DYS64110
DYS64312
DYS65017
DYS71032
DYS71223
DYS71424
DYS71525
DYS71627
DYS71719
DYS72612
YCAIIa19
YCAIIb21
Y-GATA-A1014
Y-GATA-H49
Y-GGAAT-1B0711
 
The only thing that can really confirm whether you are Z140 or not is to actually get the proper SNPs tested.

While those DYS markers you mention have their "Anglo-Saxon" and "Norse" looking values they don't always fit perfectly into these categories.

Also a good thing to remember is "Anglo-Saxon" and "Norse" in these contexts does not literally mean Anglo-Saxon and Norse. These haplotype clades were named to show their geographical pulls long before all these various SNPs had been discovered.
 
First, would you have the values for 395a, 395b and 406? I would say that given that as you have 390=22, 385a=13, 385b=14 and 511=9, that your kit is Anglo-Saxon in origin. I ran your values through the Cullen subclade predictor, and even with the missing values, it gave a result of I-M253-AS1 =>96%. I know that the AS values are being phased out in favour of SNP values, which are more precise. What I would suggest is joining the yDNA Haplogroup I: Subclade I1 project in FTDNA, and the Z140 project. There's also a Z140 group on Facebook. Facebook is a very good place to ask questions. I'm the administrator for an uncle's FTDNA kit, and belong to a different branch - M253>Z58>Z138. My uncle's kit has DYS487=13, which points to subclade Z2541.
 

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