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M0thana
29-10-16, 15:41
hi guys,
I just tested my Y-DNA and turns to be V-13, I am from Iraq, and my father came from a very tribal-closed area in Marsh-Arabs, located in south Iraq. My mtDNA is H14, mu mother also from Iraq-south,
Anyone can help me figure out where did my ancestors come from?
Thanks!
MJ

elghund
29-10-16, 16:15
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml

(http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_E1b1b_Y-DNA.shtml)
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As for mtDNA H14, click the link below and scroll down to where it says Middle Eastern Subclades. Not a whole lot there on that subclade, but it does describe where it all it has been found.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

Shetop
29-10-16, 16:56
Hi M0thana,

Below you can see more or less up-to-date E-V13 tree.
Out of 9 so far identified branches (subclades) one is typical for Arabian Gulf. It is Y16729.
It is extraordinary that this subclade is also found in British Isles and nowhere else in Europe.
You can find people which are Y16729 here: Arabian-Gulf مشروع الخليج العربي - Y-DNA SNP (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Arabian-Gulf?iframe=ysnp) , and here: The E-M35 Phylogeny Project - Distribution Map (https://www.familytreedna.com/public/E3b?iframe=ymap)
Since you are from the Arabian-Gulf region I assume you could belong to that same branch Y16729.

Based on this data, it is nevertheless very hard to properly answer your question at this moment. It is my (unconfirmed) assumption that at some point lets say before 3500 years carriers of Y16729 were in Eastern Europe, and then one of them moved to the Middle East somewhere around Caucasus mountain.
His close relative which was also Y16729 would move west to the British Isles.

http://www.yseq.net/images/trees/E-V13_tree.png

Maleth
30-10-16, 10:51
hi guys,
I just tested my Y-DNA and turns to be V-13, I am from Iraq, and my father came from a very tribal-closed area in Marsh-Arabs, located in south Iraq. My mtDNA is H14, mu mother also from Iraq-south,
Anyone can help me figure out where did my ancestors come from?
Thanks!
MJ

I think Shetop explained it nicely and only further testing can give clear answers. Another possibility is (like Pakistan) there could be some Greek dna passed on from the times of Alexander the great occupation. Babylon was an important commercial Centre, Iraq was in the middle of the empire and Alexander himself died there, so I am presuming it would have been an important spot with a good number of troops in the region.

According to this article from Wiki it seems that ydna E-78 (parent clade of E-V13) is rare among Marsh Arabs (.7%) and we do not know how many of those are actually E-V13. The highest being J1 at 81%

Genetic Evidence[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marsh_Arabs&action=edit&section=6)]A 2011 Study showed that Marsh Arabs have a high concentration of Y-chomosomal Haplogroup J-M267 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267) and mtDNA haplogroup J (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(mtDNA)) having the highest concentration, with haplogroups H (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_H_(mtDNA)), U (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_U_(mtDNA)) and T (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T_(mtDNA)) following.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs#cite_note-16) According to this study, Marsh Arabs have the following haplogroups.


Y-DNA haplogroups:

E1b1b 6.3%(-M35* 2.1%, -M78* 0.7%, -M123* 1.4%, -M34 2.1%)
G-M201 1.4%
J1 81.1%(-M267* 7.0%, -Page08* 72.7%, -M365 1.4%), J2-M172* 3.5%
L-M76 0.7%
Q-M242 2.8%(Q1a1b-M25 0.7%, Q1b-M378 2.1%)
R-M207 4.2%(R1-L23 2.8%, R2-M124 1.4%)


Mt-DNA haplogroups:

West Eurasia(77.8%): R0 24.1%(R0* 0.7%, R0a 6.9%, HV 4.1%, H 12.4%), KU 15.9%(K 6.2%, U 9.7%), JT 22.7%(J 15.2%, T 7.6%), N 15.1%(I 0.7%, N1 8.2%, W 4.8%, X2 1.4%)
North/East Africa(2.8%): M1 2.8%
Sub-Saharan Africa(4.9%): L 4.9%
East Asia(1.4%): B4c2 1.4%
Southwest Asia(10.4%): M* 0.7%, M3 2.1%, R2 2.8%, U7 4.8%
Others(2.8%): N* 0.7%, R* 2.1%



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs

Aspar
02-03-18, 08:30
Since your last post, E-Y16729 has been found in a Bulgarian man who forms his own cluster.
Right now, I am the second man from the Balkans found to belong to E-Y16729 and I don't belong neither in the British, nor the Arab or the Bulgarian cluster.
Right now, I am E-Y16729* on the YFULL tree.