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Maciamo
06-11-16, 18:01
Stephen King (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King), the famous author of horror storieshorror stories horror, supernatural fiction, suspense, science fiction, and fantasy, belongs to haplogroup I2a2a, apparently to the Y7272 deep clade (TMRCA 650 ybp according to Yfull), downstream of the Germanic branch Z161 and its S2364 subclade.

His father changed his surname from Pollock to King. I traced back his genealogy (https://www.geni.com/people/Stephen-King/6000000010836315690) and found a match in the Pollock DNA Project (http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/polk/results). Most Pollocks belong to the same haplotype (I2a2a, although WorldFamilies still use the I2b1 of the old nomenclature) and one of them tested positive for the Y7272 subclade. Henry Louis Gates mentioned in the second season of Finding Your Roots that Stephen King matched 19 other Pollocks in the database, which confirms my own investigations.

DgtLion
06-12-16, 05:45
My father, Carleton Pollock (now deceased) is of the Y7272 subclade and in the Polk-Pollock-Pogue Project of the FTDNA/World Families site. Per YFull, he was the first to test as such with Y7280 & Y7281 also being included. Only one other has tested as Y7272 in the Pollock lineage since then. Could you please tell me what test Stephen King took and if there are others in the same subclade?

Tomenable
07-12-16, 17:06
Can we really associate I2a2a-Z161 specifically with Germanic people ???

IIRC, it was widespread already in the Bronze Age: from Iberia to Western Russia.

Today it seems to correlate with Germanic-speakers but it could be a coincidence.

On the other hand, I2a2b-L38 seems to be correlated with Celts (Unetice).

G2a2b2a1b-L497 can also be associated with Celts (the Hallstatt branch).

I wonder what other Non-R1b-P312 haplogroups correlate with Celts?

Maciamo
07-12-16, 18:00
Can we really associate I2a2a-Z161 specifically with Germanic people ???

IIRC, it was widespread already in the Bronze Age: from Iberia to Western Russia.

Today it seems to correlate with Germanic-speakers but it could be a coincidence.

On the other hand, I2a2b-L38 seems to be correlated with Celts (Unetice).

G2a2b2a1b-L497 can also be associated with Celts (the Hallstatt branch).

I wonder what other Non-R1b-P312 haplogroups correlate with Celts?


I think you are confusing I2a2a* (M223) with I2a2a-Z161. Have a look at my recently updated phylogenetic tree.

http://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/I2a2-tree.png

Actually, the true Germanic subclade is L801 just under Z161, which has a TMRCA of 4000 years, placing it just before the Nordic Bronze Age. The deep clade most strongly associated with Iron Age Germanic migrations is S2364, which has many subclades of its own (enough to make another tree (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S2364/)), many of which expanded during the Iron Age. Stephen King's deep clade is under S2364.

Tomenable
07-12-16, 18:59
Yes, I guess I confused those two. Thanks for explaining.

BTW, I started a thread about Italo-Celtic Y-DNA in aDNA:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33234-Italo-Celtic-Y-DNA-lineages-in-ancient-DNA?p=496091&viewfull=1#post496091

As for R1a, Z284 is strongly associated with Germanic groups.

But L664 could be both Germanic and Italo-Celtic, in my opinion.

Maciamo
07-12-16, 19:43
As for R1a, Z284 is strongly associated with Germanic groups.

But L664 could be both Germanic and Italo-Celtic, in my opinion.

I concur with that.

castelleone
21-04-17, 14:30
Dear Maciamo,

Can we attribute the presence of I-A427 and I-Y7219 in Northern Italy to Germanic or Celtic settlements?