Population averages of Czechs

Syky

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Prague/Northern Moravia
Ethnic group
WHG direct descendant :)
Y-DNA haplogroup
I2a1b
mtDNA haplogroup
I2d
I decided to test some Czech samples on Gedmatch, because they are often missing in most of spreadsheets of admixture calculators. I have tested 15 Czech samples that I had found through one-to-many tool. My purpose was to learn something new about genetic history of my own country, not only to know that Czechs are very mixed as is often claimed by haplogroup fans. I discovered that there is something like a "stereotypical Czech". I call it average Czech. It is surprisingly stable - Czechs seem to be relatively homogeneous population, but I didn't look for regional details about the samples.
To avoid bias, I only tested samples with small or no level of relationship.
Closest populations are in brackets. Numbers are averages of admixture percentages and numbers in brackets show individual variability range.
I hope it will be useful, especially for admixture maps in Eupedia. Use it freely as you want.
I am going to add more averages from other calculators gradually.

Dodecad V3

(Slovenian)
W EURO42,59(40,19 - 46,19)
E EURO24,91(20,62 - 27,32)
MEDIT21,47(19,65 - 24,44)
W ASIAN8,06(5,74 - 9,88)
SW ASIAN1,18(0 - 2,39)
NE ASIAN0,36(0 - 0,53)
S ASIAN0,96(0 - 1,86)
NW AFR0,25(0 - 1,33)
SE ASIAN0,14(0 - 0,63)
NEO AFR0,01(0 - 0,10)
E AFR0,00(0 - 0,03)
PALEO_AFR0,06(0 - 0,47)
Dodecad K12b

(Hungarian)
N EURO50,63 (47,37 - 52,13)
ATL_MED27,97 (24,13 - 32,86)
CAUCASUS12,45(11,00 - 14,21)
GEDROSIA5,29(3,98 - 7,13)
SW ASIA1,88(0,96 - 3,45)
SIBERIAN0,45(0 - 0,71)
NW AFR0,25(0 - 1,06)
S ASIA0,73(0,04 - 1,68)
SE ASIA0,15(0 - 0,45)
E AFR0,04(0 - 0,31)
SUB_SAH0,03(0 - 0,32)
E ASIAN0,13(0 - 0,87)
Dodecad K7b
(German)

ATL_BAL72,42(69,91 - 74,98)
W ASIAN13,61(11,65 - 16,29)
SOUTHERN11,69(10,24 - 13,29)
SIBERIAN1,10(0,03 - 1,72)
S ASIAN1,00(0,03 - 2,13)
AFRICAN0,08(0 - 0,32)
E ASIAN0,09(0 - 0,42)
Dodecad world9

(Mixed Germanic)
ATL_BAL71,65(69,46 - 74,31)
CAU_GED14,34(12,16 - 16,91)
SOUTHERN 11,22(9,91 - 12,94)
SIBERIAN1,14(0 - 2,14)
S ASIAN0,83(0,18 - 1,90)
AMERIND0,55(0 - 1,03)
AFRICAN0,09(0 - 0,36)
AUSTR0,13(0 - 0,51)
E ASIAN0,06(0 - 0,33)
Eurogenes ANE_K7

WHG+UHG63,34(61,36 - 65,57)
ANE16,56(15,53 - 17,58)
ENF16,59(15,33 - 18,95)
ASE2,15(0,86 - 2,76)
E EURASIAN0,56(0 - 1,16)
W AFRICAN0,34(0 - 0,96)
E AFRICAN0,46(0 - 1,09)
Eurogenes Hunter_Gatherer vs. Farmer

BALTIC HG60,02(56,91 - 62,85)
MED FARMER25,40(22,65 - 29,46)
ANATOLIAN FARMER9,89(6,9 - 14,03)
ME HERDER1,81(0 - 4,38)
E ASIAN FARMER0,16(0 - 0,36)
S AMERICAN HG0,39(0 - 0,68)
S ASIAN HG0,99(0 - 2,09)
N EURASIAN HG0,41(0 - 0,78)
E AFR PASTORALIST0,08(0 - 0,53)
OCEANIAN HG0,09(0 - 0,63)
PYGMY HG0,08(0 - 0,33)
BANTU FARMER0,05(0 - 0,36)
WHG – ANE – EEF test

(counted from average Czech in K13)
EEF 47,736
WHG 36,597
ANE 15,667

Eurogenes K13

(East German)
BALTIC37,14(31,98 - 40,21)
N_ATLANTIC 33,53(26,27 - 37,45)
W ASIAN5,94(3,51 - 8,68)
W_MED12,43(9,34 - 15,89)
E_MED7,18(4,31 - 10,85)
SIBERIAN0,66(0 - 1,55)
RED SEA0,90(0 - 3,07)
E ASIAN0,14(0 - 0,75)
S ASIAN1,18(0 - 2,65)
AMERIND0,59(0 - 1,39)
OCEANIAN0,26(0 - 0,95)
NE AFRICAN0,19(0 - 0,72)
SUB_SAH0,13(0 - 1,29)

Eurogenes V2 K15

(East German and Austrian equally)
N_SEA24,06(14,11? - 32,2)
BALTIC22,98(19,07 - 28,22)
ATLANTIC20,11(14,45 - 23,99)
E_EURO14,59(10,33 - 18,28)
W_ASIAN4,39(0,79 - 7,65)
W_MED7,98(5,41 - 11,72)
E_MED3,65(1,68 - 6,77)
SIBERIAN0,25(0 - 0,74)
RED SEA0,70(0 - 2,56)
S_ASIAN0,50(0 - 1,13)
AMERIND0,24(0 - 0,67)
OCEANIAN0,14(0 - 0,56)
NE_AFR0,14(0 - 0,86)
SUB_SAH0,09(0 - 1,07)
SE_ASIAN0,07(0 - 0,19)
Eurogenes EUTest

(Hungarian)
S BALTIC24,34(18,33 - 27,76)
ATLANTIC17,91(14,2 - 21,30)
NC EURO20,00(17,41 - 24,69)
E EURO17,23(11,85 - 20,70)
W MED9,47(7,12 - 11,83)
W ASIAN3,92(0,01? - 7,65)
E MED6,31(2,05 - 8,53)
MID EAST0,17(0 - 1,45)
W AFRICAN0,03(0 - 0,13)
E AFRICAN0,05(0 - 0,26)
E ASIAN0,00(0 - 0)
SIBERIAN0,20(0 - 0)
S ASIAN0,31(0 - 1,29)

Eurogenes K12

S BALTIC24,30(19,38 - 28,02)
NORTH SEA22,39(14,82 - 29,21)
W EURO20,74(17,59 - 23,92)
VOLGA_URAL13,20(9,83 - 15,38)
MEDIT10,95(6,22 - 15,38)
CAUCASUS6,72(3,89 - 11,1)
SW ASIAN1,15(0 - 2,96)
N.AMERIND_ARC0,15(0 - 0,53)
SIBERIAN0,000
S ASIAN0,38(0 - 1,14)
E ASIAN0,000
W AFRICAN0,02(0 - 0,17)
 
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Interesting to see Hungarian average, the following results are from Hungarians of Transylvania origin:

Based on Eurogenes K12&K15 calculator:

1.,
Population
South Asian3.66
Caucasus9.85
Southwest Asian4.51
North Amerindian + Arctic0.97
Siberian0.92
Mediterranean11.90
East Asian0.42
West African0.11
Volga-Ural10.58
South Baltic22.41
Western European14.51
North Sea 20.15

Eurogenes K15

#PopulationPercent
1North_Sea20.85
2Baltic20.67
3Atlantic13.18
4Eastern_Euro12.21
5West_Med9.77
6West_Asian6.75
7East_Med6.47
8South_Asian3.9
9Red_Sea2.97
10Siberian1.73
11Amerindian1.09
12Southeast_Asian0.41

2.,
Population
South Asian1.13
Caucasus9.51
Southwest Asian7.41
North Amerindian + Arctic0.61
Siberian2.15
Mediterranean13.07
East Asian1.03
West African-
Volga-Ural11.77
South Baltic18.73
Western European17.90
North Sea16.68

Eurogenes K15
#
PopulationPercent
1North_Sea20.11
2Baltic15.7
3Eastern_Euro15.46
4Atlantic14.84
5West_Med10.56
6East_Med9.57
7West_Asian4.36
8Red_Sea3.35
9Siberian2.24
10Amerindian1.19
11Southeast_Asian1.13
12South_Asian0.79
13Northeast_African0.54
14Oceanian0.18

3.,
Population
South Asian0.89
Caucasus11.17
Southwest Asian4.45
North Amerindian + Arctic0.20
Siberian1.08
Mediterranean15.46
East Asian2.28
West African-
Volga-Ural7.17
South Baltic22.10
Western European15.05
North Sea20.15

K15
#
PopulationPercent
1North_Sea21.46
2Baltic20.38
3Atlantic14.34
4East_Med13.87
5West_Med10.81
6Eastern_Euro8.23
7West_Asian5.61
8Southeast_Asian2.07
9Siberian1.7
10South_Asian1.04
11Oceanian0.47
12Red_Sea0.02
 
Here is a very interesting East German EU K15 score:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthr...V2-K15-results&p=199430&viewfull=1#post199430

His ancestors, according to what he wrote, are from four places:

1) - present-day East Germany
2) - Sudetenland (Czech Republic)
3) - Western Pomerania (Poland)
4) - and German from Austria

And these are his Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 23.09
2 North_Sea 23.02
3 Atlantic 22.26
4 Eastern_Euro 15.19
5 West_Med 6.82
6 West_Asian 4.54
7 East_Med 3.58
8 Siberian 0.57
9 Red_Sea 0.47
10 Amerindian 0.22
11 Sub-Saharan 0.18
12 Oceanian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.34
2 Austrian 6.42
3 East_German 6.6
4 Hungarian 6.88
5 Croatian 7.14
6 Polish 7.28
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.34
8 Ukrainian 8.51
9 Southwest_Finnish 8.77
10 Russian_Smolensk 9.66
11 Moldavian 10.64
12 Finnish 10.78
13 Belorussian 11.35
14 Southwest_Russian 11.51
15 Estonian_Polish 11.64
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 11.69
17 Estonian 11.77
18 Serbian 13.09
19 East_Finnish 13.27
20 North_German 13.69

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.7% Russian_Smolensk + 39.3% South_Dutch @ 1.57
2 56.7% Belorussian + 43.3% South_Dutch @ 1.83
3 65.8% Russian_Smolensk + 34.2% Southwest_English @ 2.01
4 65.6% Austrian + 34.4% Estonian @ 2.04
5 65.6% Russian_Smolensk + 34.4% Southeast_English @ 2.12
6 61.9% Belorussian + 38.1% French @ 2.38
7 56.2% Estonian_Polish + 43.8% South_Dutch @ 2.44
8 59.1% Russian_Smolensk + 40.9% North_German @ 2.49
9 60.4% East_German + 39.6% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.51
10 68.1% Polish + 31.9% South_Dutch @ 2.52
11 53.7% Austrian + 46.3% Polish @ 2.53
12 50.4% South_Dutch + 49.6% Lithuanian @ 2.54
13 65.9% Russian_Smolensk + 34.1% French @ 2.57
14 64.6% East_German + 35.4% Belorussian @ 2.64
15 56.5% Southwest_Russian + 43.5% South_Dutch @ 2.67
16 66% Russian_Smolensk + 34% Irish @ 2.69
17 63.6% Russian_Smolensk + 36.4% West_German @ 2.69
18 72.7% Polish + 27.3% French @ 2.72
19 71.8% South_Polish + 28.2% South_Dutch @ 2.78
20 75.9% South_Polish + 24.1% Southeast_English @ 2.8

Clearly he has a lot of Germanized Slavic ancestry.
 
OK, I will start a separate thread for this stuff later. :)
 
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Michael Eisenriegler:

http://michael.eisenriegler.at/michael-eisenrieglers-personal-relatives-finder/

Genealogical ancestry:

Like most people who are into family research I’m always interested in finding new relatives and to get in touch with distant cousins. To make this easier I had my DNA tested on 23andme and on Ancestry DNA and also uploaded it to GEDmatch (Kit # M368955) as well as FTDNA. My full family tree is available on MyHeritage, please ask for access.

My paternal haplogroup is J2b2* (23andme), J-M172 (FTDNA)
My maternal haplogroup is H1 (23andme)

Here’s a list of family names of the last seven generations of my ancestors and the places they lived. The list is by far not complete yet, there are still some brick walls to overcome:

Paternal Ancestors:

Greil (Greill, Greyl, Greilach) from Göriach, Dölsach and Stronach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Glantschnig from Dölsach
Weingartner from Dölsach
Teutsch (Deutsch) from Stronach
Mayr (Mayr in der Gassen) from Nußdorf (Unter-Nußdorf) and Stribach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Tembl from Nußdorf
Plautz from Iselsberg, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Rainer from Iselsberg
Eder from Nußdorf (Ober-Nußdorf), Dölsach and Iselsberg
Haidenberger (Haidenperger) from Nußdorf-Debant
Amort (Amorth, Am Ort) from Lavant, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Ulgener from Oberleibnig, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Jelwitschger from Oberdrum, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Winkler from Görtschach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Oberhofer (Hofer) from Gödnach, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Inwinkl (Winkler) from Gödnach
Unterbrunner from Patriasdorf, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Zabernig from Gaimberg, Lienz District, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Klocker, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
Regulati, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
Gander, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
Mosser, most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
Täbernig (Tabernig), most likely from somewhere in the Lienz area
Aichholzer, most likely from Dölsach
Reiter from Thurn, Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Zimmermann from Thurn and Lienz
Wohlgemuth (Wohlgemut) from Matrei in Osttirol (Windisch-Matrei), Eastern Tyrol, Austria
Koczian (Kotzian, Kocijan, Kocyan, Koczyan, Kocián with or without „von Kronenfeld“, „von Kronfeld“, “z Kronfeldu” or “z Kronenfeldu”) from Vysoké Mýto (Hohenmauth), Brno (Brünn), Brumov na Vláře (Brumov) and a number of other places in Bohemia and Moravia, Czech Republic
Kohlschreiber from Vysoké Mýto (Hohenmauth), Bohemia, Czech Republic
Popek from Vysoké Mýto (Hohenmauth)
Zeisel (Zeisl, Zeißl, Zeissl) from Brno (Brünn)
Krziwanek, probably also from Brno (Brünn)
Weidemann (Waidmann, Weydmann, Weideman) from Čermná na Moravě (Groß-Dittersdorf) and Velká Střelná (Groß Waltersdorf), Moravia, and Klosterneuburg, Lower Austria
Lausecker (Lauseker) from Velká Střelná (Groß Waltersdorf) and Kaplice (Kaplitz), Bohemia
Goth from somewhere in Bohemia and from Neugattersleben (Hohendorf), Sachsen-Anhalt, Germany
Hunziker (Honsinger, Hunsaker, Hunsecker, Hunsicker, Hunsinger, Hunsucker, Huntsinger, Huntzinger, Hunzeker, Hunziker, Unzicker) from Aargau, Switzerland and possibly also from Neugattersleben (Hohendorf)
Klimesch from Černé Údolí (Schwarzthal), Bohemia
Schicho from Pořešinec (Klein Poreschin), Bohemia
Raab (Rab), probably from somewhere in Bohemia

Maternal Ancestors:

Haszprunár (Hauszprunar, Hasprunar, Hausbrunner) from Gajary (Gajár, Gajar, Gayring, Gairing, Gajáre), Slovakia
Szpuszta (Spusta) from Gajary
Ambra from Veľké Leváre (Velké Leváry, Großschützen, Nagylévárd), Slovakia
Stora, possibly also from Veľké Leváre
Maruschka (Marusska, Maruška, Maruska) from Gajary
Vlk (Wlk) from Gajary
Lackner (Lakner) from Vienna, Austria and possibly also from Gajary
Břen (Bren) from the area around Oldřiš, Borová and Polička, Bohemia and from Vienna
Heltl from Betlém near Polička
Kroulik from Kobylí (Kobyly, Roßhöfen) near Polička
Jann from Lhotice (Lhotec), Bohemia
Wohanka, probably from somewhere in Bohemia
Vávra, probably from somewhere in Bohemia
Glatter from Velké Kunětice (Groß Kunzendorf), Moravian Silesia (České Slezsko, Mährisch Schlesien), Moravia
Losse from Rejvíz (Reihwiesen), Moravian Silesia
Merkel from Loučná nad Desnou (Wiesenberg), Moravian Silesia
Schatter from somewhere in Preußisch Schlesien (Prussian part of Silesia), today part of Poland
Teufert from Liptaň (Liebenthal), Moravia
Müller, probably from somewhere in Silesia
Spielvogel from Česká Ves (Böhmischdorf) and Rejvíz, Moravian Silesia
Überall (Überal) from Rejvíz, Česká Ves and possibly Jeseník (Frývaldov, Freiwaldau, Freiwalldau), Moravian Silesia
Ruisinger from Eybach, Württemberg (Baden-Württemberg), Germany and Vienna
Steinlehner, possibly from Württemberg
Kaiser from Schnittlingen, Württemberg
Geiger from Schnittlingen, Württemberg
Schuster from Kvilda (Außergefild), Bohemia
Mandl from Kvilda
Dik from Podlesí (Vogelsang), Bohemia
Anger from Úvaly (Garschönthal), Moravia and Hausbrunn, Lower Austria
Hammer from Hausbrunn
Schwingenschrot, possibly from Northern Lower Austria (Weinviertel) or Southern Moravia
Hartmann from Schwertberg, Upper Austria
Roiß from Schwertberg and Langenstein, Upper Austria
Maresch from Jaroměř (Jermer), Bohemia
Dörfler (Dörffler) from Kaplice (Kaplitz), Bohemia and Vienna
Benda from Střítež u Kaplice (Tritesch), Bohemia
Günner from Horšov (Horschau), Bohemia
Stöhr from Velký Kozi Hřbet (Großziegenruck), part of Rejštejn (Unterreichenstein) and Nuzarov (Nimvorgut), Bohemia
Klostermann from Malý Kozí Hřbet (Kleinziegenruck), part of Rejštejn (Unterreichenstein)
Harant from Žlibek (Rindlau), Bohemia
Metzling from Žlibek
Karlovsky (Karlovský) from Přední Lhota (Vorderlhota) near Poděbrady (Podiebrad), Bohemia and Inzersdorf, Lower Austria
Plaček (Placek) from Vestec (Westetz) near Poděbrady
Panek (Pannek) from Odřepsy (Odreps) near Poděbrady
Wlik from Poděbrady
Smrčina from Dehtín (Dechtin), part of Klatovy (Klattau) and Švihov (Svichov, Schwihau), Bohemia
Čepička from Klatovy

And his Eurogenes K15 result:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 23.72
2 North_Sea 20.33
3 Baltic 15.86
4 West_Med 12.51
5 Eastern_Euro 9.58
6 West_Asian 7.53
7 East_Med 7.37
8 Red_Sea 2.14
9 Northeast_African 0.8
10 Southeast_Asian 0.16

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 5.34
2 Serbian 7.61
3 East_German 8.37
4 Hungarian 8.53
5 Croatian 9.88
6 Romanian 10.14
7 South_Dutch 10.53
8 French 10.83
9 Moldavian 11.42
10 Bulgarian 12.55
11 West_German 13.1
12 Spanish_Cataluna 13.59
13 North_German 13.77
14 Spanish_Galicia 13.98
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.23
16 Portuguese 14.41
17 North_Italian 14.55
18 South_Polish 15.22
19 Spanish_Extremadura 15.32
20 Spanish_Murcia 15.6

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.8% Austrian + 25.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.51
2 75.2% Austrian + 24.8% Portuguese @ 2.57
3 76.4% Austrian + 23.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.6
4 75.4% Austrian + 24.6% North_Italian @ 2.6
5 74.7% Austrian + 25.3% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.63
6 78.4% Austrian + 21.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.7
7 74.4% Austrian + 25.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.77
8 78.7% Austrian + 21.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.8
9 77.1% Austrian + 22.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.8
10 78.5% Austrian + 21.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.9
11 78.3% Austrian + 21.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.03
12 80.6% Austrian + 19.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.08
13 67.9% Hungarian + 32.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.22
14 59.8% Croatian + 40.2% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.23
15 58.6% Croatian + 41.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.26
16 78.9% Austrian + 21.1% Southwest_French @ 3.28
17 90.2% Austrian + 9.8% Sardinian @ 3.3
18 67.8% Hungarian + 32.2% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.3
19 80.8% Austrian + 19.2% Tuscan @ 3.33
20 67% Hungarian + 33% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.44
 
@syky great thread I finally get to see some Czech results! I some how have never seen this post.

Here are some results from my father. His ancestry is exclusively (from what I know) from the nitra region in Slovakia.

Eurogenes Jtest
Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 23.67
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 21.09
3 EAST_EURO 20.74
4 ATLANTIC 12.87
5 EAST_MED 8.25
6 WEST_MED 7.11
7 ASHKENAZI 4.75
8 WEST_ASIAN 0.91
9 EAST_ASIAN 0.31
10 WEST_AFRICAN 0.15
11 MIDDLE_EASTERN 0.13
12 SIBERIAN 0.02
13 SOUTH_ASIAN 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 PL 7.88
2 UA 8.38
3 Ukrainian-Russian 9.13
4 HU 9.79
5 West_Russian 9.95
6 Belorussian 10.88
7 AT 11.74
8 South_Finnish 12.01
9 EE 12.66
10 Serbian 13.02
11 Northwest_Russian 13.59
12 East_Russian 13.78
13 East_Finnish 14.07
14 North_Swedish 14.53
15 North_Russian 15.45
16 LIT 15.96
17 South_&_Central_Swedish 16.05
18 RO 16.31
19 West_&_Central_German 16.72
20 NO 17.05


His dodecad V3
Population Percent
1 West_European 41.26
2 East_European 26.24
3 Mediterranean 19.92
4 West_Asian 8.77
5 Southwest_Asian 2.16
6 South_Asian 0.69
7 Northeast_Asian 0.53
8 Southeast_Asian 0.26
9 East_African 0.16
10 Neo_African 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Slovenian (Xing) 5.1
2 Hungarians (Behar) 6.37
3 German (Dodecad) 13.6
4 Balkans (Dodecad) 18.36
5 N._European (Xing) 18.41
6 Polish (Dodecad) 18.44
7 CEU (HapMap) 18.6
8 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.68
9 Argyll (1000 Genomes) 18.85
10 FIN (1000Genomes) 19.52
11 Orcadian (HGDP) 19.81
12 Orkney (1000 Genomes) 19.99
13 Romanians_14 (Behar) 22.03
14 Finnish (Dodecad) 22.87
15 Russian (Dodecad) 23.86
16 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 25.28
17 French (Dodecad) 25.49
18 French (HGDP) 25.87
19 Swedish (Dodecad) 26.19
20 Dutch (Dodecad) 26.97
 
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Srdceleva, your father looks very Czech. I previously thought that Slovaks are more Slavic, even though from western part of Slovakia. This is a "purely" south Moravian guy, which is more eastern looking:

DV3
#PopulationPercent
1West_European42.4
2East_European27.78
3Mediterranean18.78
4West_Asian7.38
5Southwest_Asian1.72
6Northeast_Asian0.93
7Southeast_Asian0.41
8South_Asian0.4
9Palaeo_African0.18
10Neo_African0.03

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Slovenian (Xing)7.3
2Hungarians (Behar)7.92
3German (Dodecad)13.89
4Polish (Dodecad)17.15

EUTest:
#PopulationPercent
1SOUTH_BALTIC27.21
2NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO18.96
3EAST_EURO18.59
4ATLANTIC15.81
5WEST_MED7.57
6EAST_MED6.57
7WEST_ASIAN4.5
8SIBERIAN0.42
9SOUTH_ASIAN0.37

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1PL3.84
2UA5.04
3West_Russian6.91
4Ukrainian-Russian7.26
5Belorussian8.49
6HU8.51
7EE10.29
8Northwest_Russian11.29
9AT11.78
10South_Finnish12.32
 
Well I don't know if less or more Slavic is the best way to describe it. Lithuanias, lativians, and Finnish people all score extremely high on Baltic and Eastern European results and they aren't technically Slavic.

There seems to be a genetic continuity between Moravians, Slovaks, south poles, and western ukrainians. As you can see on the other thread the ethnic pole from lyvov has similar results to slovaks and Czechs. I also posted results from a women who's three grandparents are from South East Poland and a fourth from Western Ukraine. Though two of her grandparents were technically ethnic Germans living in Poland a study I read done on polish Germans and Slavic poles showed ethnic Germans in Poland to be of polish origin. So germanicized poles basically . And this women results also looked similar to my father and your results. Davidiski from eurogenes also seems to have some biased results as he takes most samples from north east polish people and makes them a proxy group for many of his Eastern Europe results. If you look at results from Lebrok and tomenable they also are not as extreme as some of the tables for poles on the dodecad and eurogenes test.

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You are right, I often use Slavic in "Eastern Euro" meaning (Baltic, Eastern Euro etc. components), it is not 100% correct but easy to use :) And you are right with the genetic continuity, it seems plausible. Eurogenes often puts me close to "South Polish" in its Oracles. But who are the carriers of those "eastern" components? Eastern Slavs, connected to R1a-CTS1211? It is a bit mystery for me. Yamna and Corded Ware peoples were more "western" in both Dodecad and Eurogenes.
 
You are right, I often use Slavic in "Eastern Euro" meaning (Baltic, Eastern Euro etc. components), it is not 100% correct but easy to use :) And you are right with the genetic continuity, it seems plausible. Eurogenes often puts me close to "South Polish" in its Oracles. But who are the carriers of those "eastern" components? Eastern Slavs, connected to R1a-CTS1211? It is a bit mystery for me. Yamna and Corded Ware peoples were more "western" in both Dodecad and Eurogenes.

What's interesting is that both me and my father's "Eastern euro " results from the eurogenes EU test and from the K36 results seem to be higher than many poles and Czechs I've seen on those tests when compared to "Baltic" or "central East European" results where poles and Czechs score higher. This could possibly be due to the fact that slovaks have higher rates of east Slavic R1a than both Czechs and poles.

I'm not exactly sure who these original Eastern euros were but they seem to be a northern branch of Indo Europeans connected to R1a in general. I'm still waiting for them to finally test a proto slav so we really can test " Slavic genes" :).


any czech results that resemble mine :)

dodecad v3

Population
East_European22.70
West_European46.50
Mediterranean20.96
Neo_African-
West_Asian6.66
South_Asian-
Northeast_Asian0.49
Southeast_Asian0.68
East_African0.36
Southwest_Asian1.47
Northwest_African0.19
Palaeo_African-

Eurogenes EU test

Population
SOUTH_BALTIC22.14
EAST_EURO18.49
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO23.99
ATLANTIC18.15
WEST_MED8.28
EAST_MED6.74
WEST_ASIAN1.35
MIDDLE_EASTERN-
SOUTH_ASIAN0.06
EAST_AFRICAN0.24
EAST_ASIAN0.56
SIBERIAN-
WEST_AFRICAN-
 
The problem is that Corded Ware people were "western" and predominantly R1a. Therefore I still don't understand who were the "eastern" peoples.
This is a Corded individual from Estonia, now genetically very "eastern" country:
[FONT=&quot]Kit F999955[/FONT]

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_European58.61
2East_European18.84
3Mediterranean16.19
4West_Asian4.89
5South_Asian0.49
6Northeast_Asian0.35
7Palaeo_African0.33
8Neo_African0.3

Eurogenes K13:
#PopulationPercent
1 North_Atlantic 54.58
2 Baltic 36.96
3 West_Asian 4.41
4 West_Med 4.04

Now the Slavs and Balts are different from these R1a Corded peoples.
 
The problem is that Corded Ware people were "western" and predominantly R1a. Therefore I still don't understand who were the "eastern" peoples.
This is a Corded individual from Estonia, now genetically very "eastern" country:
[FONT=&quot]Kit F999955[/FONT]

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_European58.61
2East_European18.84
3Mediterranean16.19
4West_Asian4.89
5South_Asian0.49
6Northeast_Asian0.35
7Palaeo_African0.33
8Neo_African0.3

Eurogenes K13:
#PopulationPercent
1 North_Atlantic 54.58
2 Baltic 36.96
3 West_Asian 4.41
4 West_Med 4.04

Now the Slavs and Balts are different from these R1a Corded peoples.

Yes that is very interesting, maybe the ancestors of modern slavs and balts were farther east at the time. However the eastern european results aren't too low, 18 % on dodecad is still higher than modern Germans. However dodecad seems to be less and less reliable to me. The table for different populations seem disproportionate as modern slavs that I've seen never seem to be as high on Eastern European as the tables show. I recently saw results for a belarusian I know who scores 96% north Slavic on DNA land and clusters with Belarus on almost every eurogenes test, and even he on dodecad is only 37% eastern euro according to the test. No where near 50% considered the average for Belarusians...
 
It is true that Dodecad V3 is somewhat old, but I like its simplicity with only few caucasoid components, it is easy to imagine. But as you see from K13, this Corded female is much more "Atlantic" than "Baltic". Her K15:

1 North_Sea 37.87
2 Atlantic 30.48
3 Baltic 18.5
4 Eastern_Euro 13.16

Still more "western"... interesting.
 
whats interesting is the results from two czech samples 2000 years ago
Dodecad V3

Brandysek, Czech Republic

Kit F999954

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_European45.18
2East_European26.58
3Mediterranean23.46
4West_Asian4.43
5Neo_African0.31
6Northwest_African0.04

Velke Prilepy, Czech Republic

Kit F999951

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1West_European54.43
2Mediterranean22.3
3East_European13.76
4West_Asian8.84
5Neo_African0.36
6Palaeo_African0.23
7Southeast_Asian0.09

The first one Looks like a modern czech while the second one looks more western
 
The problem is that Corded Ware people were "western"

Only in Eurogenes calculators (which are not so good for ancient DNA according to their author).

In many other calculators - like Gedrosia series - they (and Bell Beakers too) look pretty eastern.

It probably has more to do with genetic drift than migrations ("Baltic" being a drifted component).

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Edit:

Here are some more eastern-looking samples from Poland, but most of them are low coverage:

RISE139 (Poland, 2135-1923 BC, Unetice culture) - GEDmatch M484113
RISE145 (Poland, 2188-1958 BC, Unetice culture) - GEDmatch M069028
PL_N17 (Poland, 1953-1880 BC, Early Bronze Age) - GEDmatch Z378359
RISE598 (Lithuania, 908-485 BC, Late Bronze Age) - GEDmatch M483824
IR1
(Hungary, 980-930 BC, Iron Age Mezocsat culture) - GEDmatch F999929
 
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My fathers results

MDLP K16

#PopulationPercent
1NorthEastEuropean29.76
2Neolithic26.16
3Steppe20.69
4Caucasian20.33
5Arctic0.85
6Indian0.78
7NearEast0.67
8Siberian0.33
9Australian0.29
10NorthAfrican0.15

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Pole2.53
2German_Lipsian2.66
3Sorb2.72
4Dutch2.76
5Pole2.99
6Slovak3.03
 
German_Lipsian are Germans from Leipzig, so they are neighbours of Sorbs.

Probably largely descended from Germanized Sorbs, hence so similar to them.

Some maps (mostly made by me):

R1a frequency correlates with former Slavic lands in 800-850 AD (peak of Slavic expansion):

6enpso.jpg


"Ludność słowiańska w rozproszeniu" = ethnically mixed (where Slavs were not clear majority):

Slavic_lands_850.png


Slavic lands (orange) and German-ruled lands (black) in the 9th (IX) century AD:

Black area = lands from which "Ostsiedlung" settlers came (ca. 400,000 km2)
Orange area = Slavic-inhabited lands in the 800s (in total ca. 2,700,000 km2)

Ekspansja_S_owian.png


Elbe Slavs:

1) Ethnic divisions:

Areas with white dots = ethnically mixed (not fully Slavic):

Western_Slavs_B.png


2) Tribal divisions:

Plemiona_1.png


Sorbian-speakinga areas:

Sorbian_Lusatian.png


About Slavs in Bornholm:

https://lup.lub.lu.se/search/publication/1258368
 
The highest frequency of R1a in Germany is in this area:

- Chemnitz in Saxony (ca. 40%),
- Dessau in Saxony-Anhalt (ca. 43%)
- Brandenburg an der Havel (ca. 50%),
- Lusatia (ethnic Sorbs: ca. 65%)

In Austria: Graz in Styria (ca. 43%)

One Austrian from Styria and Carinthia on GEDmatch:

Kit number - M130545

I asked him about his ancestry. All of his known ancestors have German surnames and spoke German. But all of them were from Styria and Carinthia, and his GEDmatch results are very Slavic-like (he scores more "Baltic" than "North Atlantic" in Eurogenes K13). In DNA.Land he is 1/2 "North Slavic" and the rest split between "Balkan" and "North-Western Euro".

Lands inhabited by ethnic Slovenes in Early Middle Ages vs. modern Slovenia:

http://www.gis.si/egw/ZSS_T04_P02/img/karta2.jpg

karta2.jpg


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From FTDNA projects I collected data on Y-DNA haplogroups in pre-war Easternmost Germany.

Frequencies of R1a and N1 haplogroups in pre-war:

Upper Silesia (sample 48) = 62,5% (30) R1a + 4,2% (2) N1
Lower Silesia (sample 48) = 47,9% (23) R1a + 2,1% (1) N1

East Prussia (sample 84) = 45,2% (38) R1a + 22,6% (19) N1

Elevated frequency of N1 in East Prussia suggests ethnic Baltic (mostly Old Prussian) ancestry.

Especially considering that most of East Prussian N1 belongs to Z16975 / FGC13372 subclade:

https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.15/tree/N-Z16975/

This subclade is not common in Lithuania. It had to be the original Old Prussian N1c subclade:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Prussians

Among 19 samples of N1 from East Prussia, there were 18 N1c and, surprise, also one N1b:

https://www.yfull.com/arch-3.15/tree/N-L732/

FTDNA kit 217892 Johann Gröning born in 1800 in Horsterbusch (Krzewiny), hg. N1b-L732
 
My fathers results

MDLP K16

#PopulationPercent
1NorthEastEuropean29.76
2Neolithic26.16
3Steppe20.69
4Caucasian20.33
5Arctic0.85
6Indian0.78
7NearEast0.67
8Siberian0.33
9Australian0.29
10NorthAfrican0.15

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Pole2.53
2German_Lipsian2.66
3Sorb2.72
4Dutch2.76
5Pole2.99
6Slovak3.03
My results (when using my FTDNA raw data, but converted to 23andMe format by DNA.Land):

There are four different "Poles" in Single Pop. Sharing because they are different regional groups of Poles (unfortunately there was some error when uploading this calculator to GEDmatch, and names of regions are not listed):

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1NorthEastEuropean30.01
2Neolithic23.49
3Caucasian23.39
4Steppe21.43
5NearEast0.78
6Amerindian0.74
7EastAfrican0.15

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Pole2.47
2Slovak3.32
3Pole3.49
4Pole3.5
5Ukrainian3.6
6Hungarian3.92
7Sorb4.1
8German_Lipsian4.29
9Ukrainians_west4.55
10Ukrainians_north4.92
11Dutch4.96
12Czech5.01
13Belarusian5.06
14Hungarian5.11
15Hungarian5.17
16Russian5.19
17Pole5.6
18Russian5.66
19Belarusian5.79
20German5.79
 

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