Politics Growth of the far right in Germany

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It's the New York Times, so maybe some skepticism is in order...

See:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/...ternative-bjorn-hocke.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Amazing how many evocations of Nazism can be packed into a couple of sentences:

" At a chandelier-lit beer hall on Tuesday evening, the lean blond man’s voice boomed out over a crowd of hundreds — some middle-aged and working-class, but with a contingent of polished young professionals.“The AfD is the last revolutionary, the last peaceful chance for our fatherland,” declared the man, Björn Höcke, referring to the political party Alternative for Germany, and employing a reverential term for Germany, one of several nationalist buzzwords usually shunned in the country’s politics.
“Jawohl!” a few shouted. “Yes!”
When Mr. Höcke (pronounced HOOK-ay) lamented that “German history is handled as rotten and made to look ridiculous” — a subtle but clear reference to guilt for the Holocaust and other Nazi war crimes — the crowd responded by chanting, “Deutschland, Deutschland.”


 
German AfD is a slightly more leftist version of your Republicans.
 
You obviously know absolutely nothing about Republicans and what they believe.
 
Their politicians have been swamping them with immigrants who have increased the crime rate considerably (especially sexual crimes). Whenever anyone says anything against it then they get accused of being racists. A lot of their anger is pretty understandable.
 
It's the New York Times, so maybe some skepticism is in order...

See:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/...ternative-bjorn-hocke.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Amazing how many evocations of Nazism can be packed into a couple of sentences:

" At a chandelier-lit beer hall on Tuesday evening, the lean blond man’s voice boomed out over a crowd of hundreds — some middle-aged and working-class, but with a contingent of polished young professionals.“The AfD is the last revolutionary, the last peaceful chance for our fatherland,” declared the man, Björn Höcke, referring to the political party Alternative for Germany, and employing a reverential term for Germany, one of several nationalist buzzwords usually shunned in the country’s politics.
“Jawohl!” a few shouted. “Yes!”
When Mr. Höcke (pronounced HOOK-ay) lamented that “German history is handled as rotten and made to look ridiculous” — a subtle but clear reference to guilt for the Holocaust and other Nazi war crimes — the crowd responded by chanting, “Deutschland, Deutschland.”



Yes this party could shake the post war political landscape even more than the unification of west and east Germany did. Until recent Germany was one of the most stabile countries of Europe. With two grand old party's the christen democratic CDU and the social democratic SPD, somewhat right and left of the middle. With a small (neo-)liberal FDP. Since the eighties only die Grünen, Green Party, was a new kid on the block. They made a long march trough the institutions. Right of the CDU (and CSU in Bayern) was always a big tabu in German politics. That was the long shadow of the past. Now with the upheaval of Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Ukip, and a bunch of Eastern European populist or alt right part's this looks like the first time since ww2 that the political landscape of Germany could chance dramatically.....


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Germany soon will become a geographical expression. Its no longer an ethnic expression. 25% of its population has been replaced by foreigners. If something its not done soon German ethnicity will be a thing of the past. Imagine right now the majority of children born in Germany are those of foreigners. Now think of the near future of this country.
 
Yes this party could shake the post war political landscape even more than the unification of west and east Germany did. Until recent Germany was one of the most stabile countries of Europe. With two grand old party's the christen democratic CDU and the social democratic SPD, somewhat right and left of the middle. With a small (neo-)liberal FDP. Since the eighties only die Grünen, Green Party, was a new kid on the block. They made a long march trough the institutions. Right of the CDU (and CSU in Bayern) was always a big tabu in German politics. That was the long shadow of the past. Now with the upheaval of Trump, Le Pen, Wilders, Ukip, and a bunch of Eastern European populist or alt right part's this looks like the first time since ww2 that the political landscape of Germany could chance dramatically.....


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good, its about time that people stop attacking the middleclass via globalization as it is completely wrong. The middle class is the main class in any society.
The west has gone too far left in the last 20 years........socialist left , there is no centre anymore.

too far left you have communism...too far right you have fascism..........they are the same thing ................we need to correct the balance , fix the middle class and have centre type of governments.
 
good, its about time that people stop attacking the middleclass via globalization as it is completely wrong. The middle class is the main class in any society.
The west has gone too far left in the last 20 years........socialist left , there is no centre anymore.

too far left you have communism...too far right you have fascism..........they are the same thing ................we need to correct the balance , fix the middle class and have centre type of governments.

Too far left!? In Germany? Germany is, at least since ww2, an example of middle class society. With two strong part's around the center. The despair of the middle class results in the upheaval of the populist and/or alt right.....this would cause the dis balance you mention.


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Too far left!? In Germany? Germany is, at least since ww2, an example of middle class society. With two strong part's around the center. The despair of the middle class results in the upheaval of the populist and/or alt right.....this would cause the dis balance you mention.


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Miss Merkel ( an east German from the past with her leftist/socialist views ) has decided upon herself to make all the decisions for the EU .............like, expecting the other EU nations to take the migrants that her germany does not want .
But , it has failed and her leftist views is going against what the people want. They want balance.

if one is not in the centre, then one is either too far left or too far right ..............
 
Miss Merkel ( an east German from the past with her leftist/socialist views ) has decided upon herself to make all the decisions for the EU .............like, expecting the other EU nations to take the migrants that her germany does not want .
But , it has failed and her leftist views is going against what the people want. They want balance.

if one is not in the centre, then one is either too far left or too far right ..............

At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars
 
This is not surprising for those who lived in Germany for a while. This has been brewing underneath the surface long before the current refugee situation.
 
At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars

I do not recall the germans starting WW1 ..............was it not started from incidents in the balkans
 
I do not recall the germans starting WW1 ..............was it not started from incidents in the balkans

The issue was controling South Slavs between Russia and Germanic Austria-Germany pact. Long before the real war, arms race has already started and pacts has been made.

Turks got in the war accidently (Sultan didn't know it), not Germans.
 
At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars

That's true, but on the other hand many of them were quite happy to have the Soviet Union take over half their country, and in fact collaborated in that effort.
 
That's true, but on the other hand many of them were quite happy to have the Soviet Union take over half their country, and in fact collaborated in that effort.

With the Sovjet army who entered into Germany I guess no choice. Most people accommodate. Some flied to the west.
Merkel has never been a Soviet or commie adapt. She has a deep Protestant ethic attitude.

At least one of the biggest responsible leaders of the West.....


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With the Sovjet army who entered into Germany I guess no choice. Most people accommodate. Some flied to the west.
Merkel has never been a Soviet or commie adapt. She has a deep Protestant ethic attitude.


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I agree with you about Merkel. As for what happened after the war, there were some true believers in East Germany who were still around, from what I can tell, and then there were, as always in situations like this, the people who accommodate themselves to the current power structure.
 
I do not recall the germans starting WW1 ..............was it not started from incidents in the balkans
Was not the Austrians (Central powers) that were occupying South Slavic lands and expanding? assasination of the their archduke was just pretext,this war was previously planned by "great powers" of it's time for control of lands.
 
At least, Leftist Germans didn't start 2 World Wars

No, they didn't Boreas. On the other hand, they were perfectly willing to collaborate with a foreign power in the take over of their country, the imprisonment of objectors, and on and on.

Neither the extreme right nor the extreme left in Europe have a very good track record.
 
Was not the Austrians (Central powers) that were occupying South Slavic lands and expanding? assasination of the their archduke was just pretext,this war was previously planned by "great powers" of it's time for control of lands.

it was the time of nationalism all over Europe

when they heared the Germans had invaded France, people were dancing in the streets in Paris, finaly they would have a chance to defeat Germany and take revenge for 1870 ..
little did they suspect it would take 4 years of suffering and millions of deaths


my grandfather, he was not happy with that, at that time there was 3 year compulsory military service in Belgium, which he had begun in 1911 ..
 
With the Sovjet army who entered into Germany I guess no choice. Most people accommodate. Some flied to the west.

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yes, but couldn't you tell the same about the rise of Hitler then ?

Germany was in a terrible state and most Germans were desperate
they didn't believe the Weimar republic could solve the problems and they felt abandonned by the international community
finally they felt they had to chose between extreme left and extreme right
 

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