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Alpenjager
27-01-17, 04:49
Ancient Siberian and European remains, Ust'-Ishim and Oase1, belongs to haplogroup NO* according to a this new paper:

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/01/18/101410

Megalophias
27-01-17, 05:41
This was already determined by amateurs, then published in a proper paper by Poznik et al, "Punctuated bursts in human male demography".

So we don't need to rely on this highly dubious preprint for that information, thankfully.

Tomenable
02-02-17, 03:11
By the way, Oase-1 is on GEDmatch:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33496-Basal-Eurasians?p=500790&viewfull=1#post500790

Northener
24-03-17, 20:21
Ancient Siberian and European remains, Ust'-Ishim and Oase1, belongs to haplogroup NO* according to a this new paper:

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/01/18/101410

Would be interesting to see if there are more people who match with Ust-Ushim (Gedmatch Ancient DNA).
My aDNA match is 6 cM.
How did it spread form Siberia to the North Sea?
The guess is that in the Iron Age (early middle ages) trough the Finno-Ugric (high in N) from the East Sea to the North Sea. The Frisians were (6/7/8 th century AD) well known (slave-)traders in the Balticum.
Beter guesses are welcome!

bicicleur
24-03-17, 23:56
Would be interesting to see if there are more people who match with Ust-Ushim (Gedmatch Ancient DNA).
My aDNA match is 6 cM.
How did it spread form Siberia to the North Sea?
The guess is that in the Iron Age (early middle ages) trough the Finno-Ugric (high in N) from the East Sea to the North Sea. The Frisians were (6/7/8 th century AD) well known (slave-)traders in the Balticum.
Beter guesses are welcome!

he's gone extinct
apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO

Northener
24-03-17, 23:57
he's gone extinct
apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO

Ok....But what explains the connection?


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Northener
25-03-17, 00:03
he's gone extinct
apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO

Connected with Indo European R1b: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_K_mtDNA.shtml


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Sile
25-03-17, 01:18
he's gone extinct
apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO

a year ago he was called ydna X .......above NO but X is now

Haplogroup K2e (K-M147) was previously known as "Haplogroup X" and "K2a" (but is a sibling subclade of the present K2a).

Northener
26-03-17, 14:05
he's gone extinct
apart from being K, he has only 2 SNP's in common with NO

a year ago he was called ydna X .......above NO but X is now

Haplogroup K2e (K-M147) was previously known as "Haplogroup X" and "K2a" (but is a sibling subclade of the present K2a).


Thank you both.....mmmm label...relabel.....

Than is this the right picture (would make sense in my 'case')? PS I guess not because this is MtDNA....there is/was a mtDNA K2a and a yDNA K2a....(to make it all simple ;)

http://i66.tinypic.com/291m1ib.png

Northener
26-03-17, 14:44
I guess this is the right one for the Ust-Ishim Man:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/NO/

Sile
26-03-17, 18:59
Thank you both.....mmmm label...relabel.....

Than is this the right picture (would make sense in my 'case')? PS I guess not because this is MtDNA....there is/was a mtDNA K2a and a yDNA K2a....(to make it all simple ;)

http://i66.tinypic.com/291m1ib.png

I was not talking about K2a for mtdna

Northener
26-03-17, 19:02
I was not talking about K2a for mtdna

Ok But I guess the y full tree is the correct one? Or not....looks like accountancy hahahha[emoji17]


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Sile
26-03-17, 19:20
Ok But I guess the y full tree is the correct one? Or not....looks like accountancy hahahha[emoji17]


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check out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragroup

M Van Oven and the others are the only ones that make the new accepted world-wide ydna and mtdna haplogroup trees

Yfull just branch from this tree