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Northener
29-01-17, 10:34
What a nice example of genography by a French website:
http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

When you fill in your Gedmatch K15 results, it will picture it.
I'am curios about your results. In my case it was very accurat.
So please fill in and post it!

Thanks in advance....

http://i65.tinypic.com/2ziq6j5.jpg

New Englander
29-01-17, 13:09
8417

Seems very accurate, but tells me nothing I did not know. Of course, I have run this before, and something was very off about it. Looks like they fixed it.

*Not sure how to make it larger, unless I change the size in Paint, I used the original size format.

Boreas
29-01-17, 18:25
Thank you, it is something I was looking for :heart:

8418
Red is mine, Black is bro.

My results is also expected.

and this is how I feel :grin:
https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/forever-alone-people-funny-sad-0.jpg?quality=85&strip=info

New Englander
29-01-17, 21:04
^ lol ya feelin left out?

Dibran
29-01-17, 21:49
So does mine pretty much mean Albanian? It plots pretty close to Tuscan and not too far from Thessaly and Bulgaria, So I am assuming this plot is a map.

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Dibran
29-01-17, 22:02
Here are my fathers and my results. I am the red dot, he is the Blue dot. We are both ethnically Northern Albanians.

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Gorehound
29-01-17, 22:22
It's not working for me. No red dot is showing.

Gorehound
29-01-17, 22:25
Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
North_Italian
8.54


2
Portuguese
10.44


3
Tuscan
10.7


4
Spanish_Galicia
10.89


5
Spanish_Extremadura
11.22


6
Spanish_Murcia
11.39


7
Spanish_Cataluna
11.58


8
French
12.22


9
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.86


10
Spanish_Valencia
14.03


11
Spanish_Andalucia
14.06


12
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
14.68


13
Serbian
15.12


14
Italian_Abruzzo
15.34


15
Spanish_Cantabria
15.5


16
Greek_Thessaly
15.5


17
West_Sicilian
15.72


18
West_German
15.97


19
Romanian
16.06


20
South_Dutch
16.15

New Englander
29-01-17, 22:27
^ You need to save it to your desktop. Than you open Microsoft paint, and open the document. You than move the mouse where the provided pixals are located, and draw a dot.

Gorehound
29-01-17, 22:38
^ You need to save it to your desktop. Than you open Microsoft paint, and open the document. You than move the mouse where the provided pixals are located, and draw a dot.Can you do it for me? My pixels are 388 x 246.

Gorehound
29-01-17, 22:39
Can you do it for me? My pixels are 388 x 246.

388 and 286.Sorry.

Dibran
29-01-17, 22:43
Are there also other programs like this for plotting results?

Gorehound
29-01-17, 23:21
Oh sorry, don't download the image on the website. Download the image that the OP posted instead,

Gorehound
29-01-17, 23:34
I'm the Black dot in the center of the screen near N.Italians. I just took the OP's graph and saved it because the full chart was too wide.

http://i63.tinypic.com/hs0194.jpg

Here is my K15, so yes it's accurate.



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
North_Italian
8.54


2
Portuguese
10.44


3
Tuscan
10.7


4
Spanish_Galicia
10.89


5
Spanish_Extremadura
11.22


6
Spanish_Murcia
11.39


7
Spanish_Cataluna
11.58


8
French
12.22


9
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.86


10
Spanish_Valencia
14.03


11
Spanish_Andalucia
14.06


12
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
14.68


13
Serbian
15.12


14
Italian_Abruzzo
15.34


15
Spanish_Cantabria
15.5


16
Greek_Thessaly
15.5


17
West_Sicilian
15.72


18
West_German
15.97


19
Romanian
16.06


20
South_Dutch
16.15



My 23andme (I'm the Green Balloon)

http://i63.tinypic.com/14k8vva.jpg

Very similar results, very accurate. So it's very nice knowing that I cluster with Northern Italians now.

I wanted my Doug McDonald results but this is pretty much the same thing.

Dibran
30-01-17, 00:37
I'm the Black dot in the center of the screen near N.Italians. I just took the OP's graph and saved it because the full chart was too wide.

http://i63.tinypic.com/hs0194.jpg

Here is my K15, so yes it's accurate.



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
North_Italian
8.54


2
Portuguese
10.44


3
Tuscan
10.7


4
Spanish_Galicia
10.89


5
Spanish_Extremadura
11.22


6
Spanish_Murcia
11.39


7
Spanish_Cataluna
11.58


8
French
12.22


9
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
12.86


10
Spanish_Valencia
14.03


11
Spanish_Andalucia
14.06


12
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
14.68


13
Serbian
15.12


14
Italian_Abruzzo
15.34


15
Spanish_Cantabria
15.5


16
Greek_Thessaly
15.5


17
West_Sicilian
15.72


18
West_German
15.97


19
Romanian
16.06


20
South_Dutch
16.15



My 23andme (I'm the Green Balloon)

http://i63.tinypic.com/14k8vva.jpg

Very similar results, very accurate. So it's very nice knowing that I cluster with Northern Italians now.

I wanted my Doug McDonald results but this is pretty much the same thing.

where did you get the little plot graph on 23andme?!?

Gorehound
30-01-17, 00:49
where did you get the little plot graph on 23andme?!?It's a screenshot I took back when they had the old version up with the Global Similarity Map. They don't have it anymore but I saved it, luckily.

Dibran
30-01-17, 01:06
It's a screenshot I took back when they had the old version up with the Global Similarity Map. They don't have it anymore but I saved it, luckily.


Ah I see. They removed so many cool features. real shame.

DNZ
30-01-17, 12:52
Thank you, it is something I was looking for :heart:

8418
Red is mine, Black is bro.

My results is also expected.

and this is how I feel :grin:
https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/forever-alone-people-funny-sad-0.jpg?quality=85&strip=info

I am Sorry to for us:).

Northener
30-01-17, 12:56
I am Sorry to for us:).

Hahah nice gimmick[emoji12]


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Boreas
03-02-17, 21:58
I am Sorry to for us:).

According to kit number which you sent me privately. You don't seem too much isolated :grin:
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Turks are various as Italians or maybe more.

DNZ
03-02-17, 22:15
This chart map is missing some nation names.Where is the Proto-Bulgars?They went to the North-Italia in 6th century.:)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Great_Bulgaria_and_migration_of_Bulgarian s.png#mw-jump-to-license
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Great_Bulgaria

Thanks for your help Boreas.You can do our comparisons with my kit number.

selectivememri
03-02-17, 23:45
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Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
East_Med
16.41


2
North_Sea
15.22


3
Baltic
15.14


4
Atlantic
13.46


5
West_Med
13.35


6
Eastern_Euro
12.13


7
West_Asian
10.23


8
Red_Sea
2.87


9
Southeast_Asian
0.92


10
Siberian
0.28



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
Romanian
3.92


2
Bulgarian
4.31


3
Serbian
6.2


4
Greek_Thessaly
9.63


5
Moldavian
10.54


6
Greek
10.71


7
Croatian
12.86


8
Hungarian
13.38


9
Austrian
13.81


10
Tuscan
14.28


11
Ashkenazi
15.02


12
Italian_Abruzzo
15.11


13
Central_Greek
15.56


14
North_Italian
15.58


15
East_Sicilian
16.53


16
West_Sicilian
16.76


17
East_German
17.71


18
Ukrainian_Lviv
18.5


19
South_Polish
19.18


20
South_Italian
19.23



Mixed Mode Population Sharing:



#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

55.5%
Central_Greek
+
44.5%
Ukrainian
@
2.18


2

68.8%
Moldavian
+
31.2%
Italian_Jewish
@
2.25


3

60%
Moldavian
+
40%
Central_Greek
@
2.44


4

69.6%
Moldavian
+
30.4%
Sephardic_Jewish
@
2.5


5

70%
Moldavian
+
30%
Algerian_Jewish
@
2.53


6

65.1%
Moldavian
+
34.9%
South_Italian
@
2.58


7

72.3%
Greek_Thessaly
+
27.7%
Kargopol_Russian
@
2.63


8

70.5%
Greek_Thessaly
+
29.5%
Southwest_Russian
@
2.72


9

61.6%
Moldavian
+
38.4%
East_Sicilian
@
2.73


10

55.3%
Central_Greek
+
44.7%
South_Polish
@
2.73


11

70%
Greek_Thessaly
+
30%
Ukrainian_Belgorod
@
2.75


12

50.2%
South_Italian
+
49.8%
Ukrainian
@
2.76


13

58.5%
Central_Greek
+
41.5%
Polish
@
2.77


14

59.2%
Moldavian
+
40.8%
Ashkenazi
@
2.79


15

50.4%
Moldavian
+
49.6%
Greek
@
2.83


16

54%
East_Sicilian
+
46%
Ukrainian
@
2.87


17

54.4%
Central_Greek
+
45.6%
Ukrainian_Lviv
@
2.94


18

73.6%
Greek_Thessaly
+
26.4%
Erzya
@
2.94


19

54.1%
Croatian
+
45.9%
Ashkenazi
@
2.98


20

59.5%
Moldavian
+
40.5%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
2.99

Sile
04-02-17, 00:30
mine is below with son, sister, father and wife

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg.html)


23andme was

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/new%20vp%20split_zpsv1bc4bhj.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/K15V3_zpskqqogfgc.png.html)

now this ...........unsure what to run anymore

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/split%20view_zpsv1jit5rk.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/split%20view_zpsv1jit5rk.jpg.html)

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/K15V3_zpskqqogfgc.png

Northener
04-02-17, 11:35
mine is below with son, sister, father and wife

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg.html)


23andme was

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/new%20vp%20split_zpsv1bc4bhj.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/K15V3_zpskqqogfgc.png.html)

now this ...........unsure what to run anymore

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/split%20view_zpsv1jit5rk.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/split%20view_zpsv1jit5rk.jpg.html)

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/K15V3_zpskqqogfgc.png

Which one is more accurate Sile, 23 and me or K15 picture?


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Sile
04-02-17, 16:50
Which one is more accurate Sile, 23 and me or K15 picture?


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k15 ..............I find MDLP ones better though

23andme has lost their way since 2014 ................they are not interesting in ancestry anymore.............they just want you for your medical side

Boreas
06-02-17, 10:49
8457
Blue _ DNZ
Black _ Bro
Green _ Me
Red _ cylnlts

cylnlts
06-02-17, 12:15
We are the black spot...

I did not understand the geographical location.

cylnlts
06-02-17, 12:17
I saw :-) red spot

cylnlts
06-02-17, 12:20
I think extra super hyper turkish

Boreas
06-02-17, 13:59
I think extra super hyper turkish

Exactly . Other people are partly from Balkan.

cylnlts
06-02-17, 14:08
We were told that we are immigrants from the North Caucasus already

DNZ
06-02-17, 18:33
I think extra super hyper turkish

I have more Mongoloid and Steppe components than you Caylan.Sorry.:)

Boreas
06-02-17, 19:50
I have more Mongoloid and Steppe components than you Caylan.Sorry.:)

She said Turkish, not Turkic :good_job:

cylnlts
06-02-17, 22:41
I am totally turkish

cylnlts
06-02-17, 22:43
and Turkic

Pi gman
06-02-17, 23:30
Would anyone care to guess where my origins are? Would it be in the center of all of the black dots on my map??



Population



North_Sea
34.65


Atlantic
24.25


Baltic
6.38


Eastern_Euro
11.06


West_Med
10.34


West_Asian
4.18


East_Med
2.26


Red_Sea
-


South_Asian
1.70


Southeast_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
3.23


Oceanian
0.34


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
1.60

Boreas
07-02-17, 04:11
and Turkic
If you mean Tukic, you are wrong. Don't mix apples and pears. All Turkic people have some similar Asian admixtures. However general admixture shares are totally different. Even none of them are very close to each other.

Comparission between Germanic and Turkic People

8472
Blue is Germanic people, Red is some Turkic people.

cylnlts
07-02-17, 08:43
my English is bad.

Pi gman
07-02-17, 15:00
I used to have Microsoft Paint when I had a Windows computer. Now I have an I mac. Does anyone know how I can use a drawing program on my apple machine?

or can someone plot my results? Please.

Abscisse: 341

Ordonnée: 181



North_Sea
34.65


Atlantic
24.25


Baltic
6.38


Eastern_Euro
11.06


West_Med
10.34


West_Asian
4.18


East_Med
2.26


Red_Sea
-


South_Asian
1.70


Southeast_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
3.23


Oceanian
0.34


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
1.60

Regio X
07-02-17, 17:36
Me, Father and Mother



http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg.html)

DNZ
07-02-17, 18:17
She said Turkish, not Turkic :good_job:
I am just kidding.:)

Boreas
07-02-17, 18:21
I used to have Microsoft Paint when I had a Windows computer. Now I have an I mac. Does anyone know how I can use a drawing program on my apple machine?

or can someone plot my results? Please.

Abscisse:341

Ordonnée: 181



North_Sea
34.65


Atlantic
24.25


Baltic
6.38


Eastern_Euro
11.06


West_Med
10.34


West_Asian
4.18


East_Med
2.26


Red_Sea
-


South_Asian
1.70


Southeast_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
3.23


Oceanian
0.34


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
1.60




Your Amerindian results a bit high.

You are a West German :good_job:

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Pi gman
07-02-17, 20:06
Merhaba Boreas Bey. Bunu benim için yaptığınız için çok teşekkür ederim!

My Native American is high because my 4th Great Grandfather was George (Chief of all) Sizemore. He was Cherokee.
I do have a lot of y-DNA matches in the German, French, Austrian and Swiss Alps area. This autosomal DNA is new to me though. The plot would be half way between my Mother's ancestors and my Father's am I correct?


Your Amerindian results a bit high.

You are a West German :good_job:

8474

Regio X
07-02-17, 20:20
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Boreas
08-02-17, 03:57
Merhaba Boreas Bey. Bunu benim için yaptığınız için çok teşekkür ederim!

My Native American is high because my 4th Great Grandfather was George (Chief of all) Sizemore. He was Cherokee.
I do have a lot of y-DNA matches in the German, French, Austrian and Swiss Alps area. This autosomal DNA is new to me though. The plot would be half way between my Mother's ancestors and my Father's am I correct?

You are the 4th one. I made four people's map without mine, so it is kind of a job for me. :grin:

You don't have to be in the middle of your father and mother

look at other maps

Sile's map, his son is located out of his wife and him
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg.html)

or Regio X is closer to his mom. (Me, Father and Mother)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg.html)

davef
08-02-17, 06:28
Merhaba Boreas Bey. Bunu benim için yaptığınız için çok teşekkür ederim!

My Native American is high because my 4th Great Grandfather was George (Chief of all) Sizemore. He was Cherokee.
I do have a lot of y-DNA matches in the German, French, Austrian and Swiss Alps area. This autosomal DNA is new to me though. The plot would be half way between my Mother's ancestors and my Father's am I correct?
You're a descendant of a Native American Chief? That's awesome! We need to respect the people who came here first!

cylnlts
09-02-17, 20:21
maybe Armenian ??

Wilhelm2
10-02-17, 15:31
Me, Father and Mother



http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg.html)

Are you from Veneto ? Could you post your K15 results

Regio X
10-02-17, 18:27
Are you from Veneto ? Could you post your K15 resultsIn ancestry, yes. Just one great-grandmother in paternal line born in Lombardy (close to the border with Veneto).

Sure I can post; why not? Here they are (me / father / mother).








Population



North_Sea
18.00 / 19.38 / 21.49


Atlantic
27.25 / 21.32 / 23.29


Baltic
7.31 / 9.23 / 8.51


Eastern_Euro
5.55 / 5.85 / 5.84


West_Med
18.05 / 18.59 / 19.59


West_Asian
10.25 / 8.54 / 8.92


East_Med
11.91 / 14.39 / 10.22


Red_Sea
1.69 / 1.08 / 1.95


South_Asian
- / 1.62 / -


Southeast_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
- / - / 0.18


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-














Here are 13 kits I have from the area (excluding mine - to avoid overlaping -, including my parents', Sile's - but not his sister's - and others).

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15all_zps3bih0oje.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15all_zps3bih0oje.jpg.html)

Sile
10-02-17, 19:07
You are the 4th one. I made four people's map without mine, so it is kind of a job for me. :grin:

You don't have to be in the middle of your father and mother

look at other maps

Sile's map, his son is located out of his wife and him
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg.html)

or Regio X is closer to his mom. (Me, Father and Mother)
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15map_zps0gjunrxj.jpg.html)

I do not know why you mentioned my son ................but my mother plots


next to and left of the N in N.Italian .....................her family line head from central Veneto towards the Friulian alps ...............while my paternal line heads from Central Veneto towards Trento and tyrol/east swiss lands ................so I look at the plots differently

Sile
10-02-17, 19:14
Calls attention the considerable variation even in Veneto. Looking to the seven other kits I know from the area, the following are the most distant from each other. Yellow - Central Treviso. Red - North Vicenza (SE Altipiano, near Bassano).

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15mapNEex_zps3eaprl3w.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15mapNEex_zps3eaprl3w.jpg.html)


agree with yellow, but more Treviso, Padova , Venice connection .........while the red seems to far away from Bassano which is only 6km from my mothers paternal line.

I also disagree since I run currently from Treviso and in the past Schio ( south of Bassano ) , Magre' ( east trentino ) , Tres ( central trentino ) ..........these are still linguistically Veneto lands but no where near your red dot ............I guess the red dot should represent Piedmonte

Regio X
10-02-17, 19:33
agree with yellow, but more Treviso, Padova , Venice connection .........while the red seems to far away from Bassano which is only 6km from my mothers paternal line.

I also disagree since I run currently from Treviso and in the past Schio ( south of Bassano ) , Magre' ( east trentino ) , Tres ( central trentino ) ..........these are still linguistically Veneto lands but no where near your red dot ............I guess the red dot should represent PiedmonteYou posted at the same time I deleted mine, since the last map I posted, just few time ago, already showed all the samples, including the two in question.
The red dot, as I said, comes from the SE of the Altipiano, abt. 15 km from Bassano (see my PM to you). Possibly it represents better some specific areas of the region. Anyway, Veneto as a whole seems to present a considerable variation.

Sile
10-02-17, 19:44
You posted at the same time I deleted mine, since the last map I posted, just few time ago, already showed all the samples, including the two in question.
The red dot, as I said, comes from the SE of the Altipiano, abt. 15 km from Bassano (see my PM to you). Possibly it represents better some specific areas of the region. Anyway, Veneto as a whole seems to present a considerable variation.

ok, thnaks

but the dot stating the word N.Italian represents all across north italy .........but the plotting of oneself must reflect only a few centuries of ones paternal and maternal combinations

I noted trentino for my paternal line because they left that area and entered Veneto ~1630 ..........if I only go from this time then my maternal fathers line is Dogana ( venice lagoon area ) , my mothers line ( both sides ) has always been in veneto


Are you updating and presenting your map again?

Pax Augusta
10-02-17, 19:54
Anyway, Veneto as a whole seems to present a considerable variation.

It's true, I can confirm having seen many samples from Veneto (they are more north/north-west or more north-east than the average based on the HGDP sample). But a considerable variation exists also in any region in Italy, at least the regions I've seen so far.

Regio X
10-02-17, 20:07
ok, thnaks

but the dot stating the word N.Italian represents all across north italy .........but the plotting of oneself must reflect only a few centuries of ones paternal and maternal combinations

I noted trentino for my paternal line because they left that area and entered Veneto ~1630 ..........if I only go from this time then my maternal fathers line is Dogana ( venice lagoon area ) , my mothers line ( both sides ) has always been in veneto


Are you updating and presenting your map again?See my post nr. 49. I was talking about that map.
I can't link my parents to any "specific" area in Veneto, because they have ancestry from different parts of the region. :)


It's true, I can confirm having seen many samples from Veneto (they are more north/north-west or more north-east than the average based on the HGDP sample). But a considerable variation exists also in any region in Italy, at least the regions I've seen so far.Agreed. Probably there is considerable variation even in Sardinia. I don't know about Aosta Valley.

Wilhelm2
10-02-17, 23:32
In ancestry, yes. Just one great-grandmother in paternal line born in Lombardy (close to the border with Veneto).

Sure I can post; why not? Here they are (me / father / mother).








Population



North_Sea
18.00 / 19.38 / 21.49


Atlantic
27.25 / 21.32 / 23.29


Baltic
7.31 / 9.23 / 8.51


Eastern_Euro
5.55 / 5.85 / 5.84


West_Med
18.05 / 18.59 / 19.59


West_Asian
10.25 / 8.54 / 8.92


East_Med
11.91 / 14.39 / 10.22


Red_Sea
1.69 / 1.08 / 1.95


South_Asian
- / 1.62 / -


Southeast_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
- / - / 0.18


Oceanian
-


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-














Here are 13 kits I have from the area (excluding mine - to avoid overlaping -, including my parents', Sile's - but not his sister's - and others).

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/K15all_zps3bih0oje.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/K15all_zps3bih0oje.jpg.html)

Thanks a lot ! Do you have the gedmatch numbers of all these Venetians ? I have only 3 venetians, im very interested in that part of Italy.

Sile
11-02-17, 00:00
See my post nr. 49. I was talking about that map.
I can't link my parents to any "specific" area in Veneto, because they have ancestry from different parts of the region. :)
.

Veneti scholars go by this

in map - pure Veneti ( yellow only ) from ancient euganei people

orange and green are secondary ...either trentini or eastern

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/3vens_zps58b2a29f.jpg

the borders are not national border of today

so whereever your parents are from in veneto , it would be one of these 3
(http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/3vens_zps58b2a29f.jpg.html)

srdceleva
12-02-17, 20:32
I dont understand how are you able to plot yourself. It says i need to dowload the image and then upload it to a drawing program....what drawing program? i tried downloading one and dont see anywhere how to plot this thing.

selectivememri
12-02-17, 22:34
all you need to download is the image, then in order to find where you plot, open the image in any drawing program, the default one for most people is the PC available "Paint" tool, once you're in there, if you move your cursor over the image you will see in the bottom left hand corner of the screen (i think) numbers that represent the pixel coordinates that change as you move the cursor over the image. If you dont have Paint but a different program like photoshop, there should be an area in the program where you can see the pixel location.

Using the coordinates the calculator app gives you, you generally need to scroll around over the image until you zero in on your coordinate. Then what the people here have been doing is using the paintbrush function to draw on the point themselves. It sounds more complicated than it is.

Fire Haired14
13-02-17, 05:27
I cluster by "French"(East French?) like in every ADMIXTURE test. My Dad is the red dot, hypothetical mom is the pink dot. I'm English, Spanish, Norwegian, German, Swiss, and dose of Amerindian and smaller dose of West African. It ends up looking like East French, South Dutch, West Germans, and Swiss.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8484&stc=1

Bosnian Boss
13-02-17, 05:50
Interestingly enough, the K15 Calculator has me pegged closest to Moldovans 3.486864. The map confirms it (won't let me post links until I hit 10 posts.) I do not have any known Moldovan/Vlach ancestry and something seems to be pulling me East. Moldovans might be a good proxy for Slavs mixed with Paleo-Balkanoids.

Sile
13-02-17, 06:15
I cluster by "French"(East French?) like in every ADMIXTURE test. My Dad is the red dot, hypothetical mom is the pink dot. I'm English, Spanish, Norwegian, German, Swiss, and dose of Amerindian and smaller dose of West African. It ends up looking like East French, South Dutch, West Germans, and Swiss.
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=8484&stc=1

is it accurate ?

Sile
13-02-17, 06:16
I dont understand how are you able to plot yourself. It says i need to dowload the image and then upload it to a drawing program....what drawing program? i tried downloading one and dont see anywhere how to plot this thing.

use paint program in microsoft package

Fire Haired14
13-02-17, 06:35
is it accurate ?

It appears to be accurate. I can't judge its accuracy because I don't know exactly what my ancestry is. I don't know where in Germany/Switzerland my mom's ancestors came from, it seems most came from the Western and Southern parts. My mom's grandma had a Swiss Dad and a "Prussian" Mom(U5b2a2b1). My mom's grandma would maybe cluster closest to Germany but have a pull towards North Italy. Just a guess.

Northener
13-02-17, 07:44
It appears to be accurate. I can't judge its accuracy because I don't know exactly what my ancestry is. I don't know where in Germany/Switzerland my mom's ancestors came from, it seems most came from the Western and Southern parts. My mom's grandma had a Swiss Dad and a "Prussian" Mom(U5b2a2b1). My mom's grandma would maybe cluster closest to Germany but have a pull towards North Italy. Just a guess.

'East French, South Dutch, West Germans, and Swiss' .... something 'celtic' or the geographic middle of your ancestors?

srdceleva
16-02-17, 16:00
8490

K15
Population
North_Sea 31.52
Atlantic 16.65
Baltic 20.74
Eastern_Euro 15.15
West_Med 8.54
West_Asian 0.70
East_Med 4.31
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.52
Southeast_Asian 0.18
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.76
Oceanian 0.39
Northeast_African 0.53
Sub-Saharan


# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 8.05
2 Hungarian 8.51
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.59
4 North_Swedish 9.19
5 Finnish 9.41
6 Ukrainian 10.86
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.01
8 Swedish 11.07
9 South_Polish 11.15
10 Polish 12.09
11 Norwegian 12.27
12 Austrian 12.45
13 Croatian 12.7
14 West_German 12.84
15 Estonian 12.87
16 North_German 13.08
17 East_Finnish 13.68
18 Moldavian 13.78
19 Danish 14.22
20 North_Dutch 14.23

The red dot is me, green is my brother and blue my dad.

What I don't understand is why on my Oracle it lists me as genetically closer to populations like Hungary and the Ukraine but on the map I look extremely close to north Germans and other Western European populations.

Bosnian Boss
15-08-17, 09:08
Interestingly enough, the K15 Calculator has me pegged closest to Moldovans 3.486864. The map confirms it (won't let me post links until I hit 10 posts.) I do not have any known Moldovan/Vlach ancestry and something seems to be pulling me East. Moldovans might be a good proxy for Slavs mixed with Paleo-Balkanoids.

https://ibb.co/hEHyPv
https://ibb.co/hEHyPvhttps://ibb.co/hEHyPvHere is the map I can finally upload:

https://image.ibb.co/kCk7HF/Bosnian_Boss_K15_euro.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

curiouscat
15-08-17, 10:10
I can't post links but I cluster in between East German and Hungarian based on the K15 map.

Stuvanè
26-08-17, 21:25
Done. I'm the black dot above "Tuscan"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170826/014cd72a012d6a4273a1587a0dfe0091.jpg

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matadworf
27-08-17, 20:51
9075 Plotting between Bulgarian and Tuscany north of Thessaly

Promenade
27-08-17, 22:56
Right above Belgian9077

matadworf
27-08-17, 23:36
9078Seems fairly accurate based on the various calculators I've checked and kind of suggests that Greece is a mixed bag (regionally).

AdeoF
28-08-17, 00:49
Here is mine :D
9082


1
Atlantic
26.04


2
West_Med
23.2


3
North_Sea
21.73


4
East_Med
8.39


5
West_Asian
5.83


6
Baltic
5.44


7
Red_Sea
3.27


8
Eastern_Euro
2.73


9
Northeast_African
1.25


10
Oceanian
1.18


11
Sub-Saharan
0.93

Promenade
28-08-17, 02:12
9083
My ex's results, for people with mixed ancestry it doesn't show much

TopLobster
28-08-17, 03:20
I cant post links to images but my coordinates are (306, 154).

Sile
29-08-17, 20:36
I cant post links to images but my coordinates are (306, 154).
the mark above my son is you
https://s20.postimg.org/b3b6j9ful/kv15meandancient.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

unless you gave your coordiantes the wrong way around in which case you are then SW of cantabria

Pratt
04-09-17, 12:27
with the help of two other Italian users, we made the averages for the Italian regions we had samples. Except Trentino, Marche and Lazio, the average of all regions is based on more than 10 gedmatch kits each.

https://s26.postimg.org/zd1unk37d/K15_V4_Italian_regional_breakdown.jpg

don_joe
05-09-17, 21:30
Yes, it shows my results accurately. I can't upload the pic but it's bullseye.

Pratt
12-09-17, 23:28
with the help of two other Italian users, we made the averages for the Italian regions we had samples. Except Trentino, Marche and Lazio, the average of all regions is based on more than 10 gedmatch kits each.

K15 PCA based on same kits.

https://i.imgur.com/spjmbIz.jpg

Bergin
20-09-17, 01:30
Here are my fathers and my results. I am the red dot, he is the Blue dot. We are both ethnically Northern Albanians.

8422


We are almost identical.



9286

Angela was mentioning that Albanians are just east-shifted Tuscans, and it sounds right.
I was checking the calculators on Gedmatch in combination with Oracle. I found out that the one with the smallest reported error is puntDNAL K15, probably because it has Albanian as a component. In most other calculators , Albanian is not an entry and often tuscan or thessaly is the closest element.

This is my puntDNAL results

puntDNAL K15 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
Mediterranean
37.66


2
NE_European
31.48


3
Caucasian
20.45


4
SW_Asian
7.66


5
Horn_Of_Africa
1.36




Finished reading population data. 157 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 1.983108
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 2.901995
3 Tuscan @ 3.056875
4 Greek_Central @ 4.748572
5 Italian @ 7.627846
6 Montenegrin @ 8.552457
7 Bulgarian @ 10.312502
8 Romanian @ 11.044518
9 Ashkenazy_Jew @ 11.948988
10 Macedonian @ 12.512023
11 Sicilian @ 13.152168
12 Bosnian @ 15.360824
13 Brazilian @ 15.950795
14 Portuguese @ 16.129356
15 Sephardic_Jew @ 16.337824
16 Spaniard @ 17.378248
17 Serbian @ 19.406115
18 French @ 21.873119
19 South_German @ 24.768688
20 Basque @ 24.931316

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Albanian @ 1.119604


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Romanian +25% Italian +25% Cypriot @ 1.053621


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
1 Scottish + Albanian + Albanian + Cypriot @ 0.805793
2 Scottish + Albanian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 0.825320
3 English + Albanian + Albanian + Cypriot @ 0.895509
4 Norwegian + Tuscan + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 0.907017
5 Norwegian + Albanian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 0.937201
6 Orcadian + Albanian + Albanian + Cypriot @ 0.938756
7 Serbian + Spaniard + Greek_Central + Cypriot @ 0.942559
8 Belarusian + Greek_Thessaly + Sardinian + Armenian @ 0.964114
9 French + Romanian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 0.985228
10 Macedonian + Romanian + Italian + Cypriot @ 1.016161
11 Lithuanian + Greek_Central + Sardinian + Assyrian @ 1.030323
12 French + Macedonian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 1.044809
13 Romanian + Romanian + Italian + Cypriot @ 1.053621
14 Orcadian + Albanian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 1.056971
15 French + Bulgarian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 1.060405
16 North_German + Albanian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 1.063308
17 South_German + Montenegrin + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 1.068064
18 English + Albanian + Tuscan + Cypriot @ 1.073076
19 Irish + Albanian + Albanian + Cypriot @ 1.090078
20 French + Montenegrin + Greek_Thessaly + Cypriot @ 1.101608

I1a3_Young
20-09-17, 21:01
9287
Red dots are my Ameri-Brit family. Green is 25% Italian, 37.5% German, 37.5% Italian (of which most is Sicilian)

alexfritz
01-01-18, 17:38
Population





North_Sea
26.59


Atlantic
20.20


Baltic
6.00


Eastern_Euro
7.50


West_Med
19.76


West_Asian
6.53


East_Med
10.70


Red_Sea
2.62


South_Asian
-


Southeast_Asian
-


Siberian
-


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
0.10


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-



#



Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

74.9%
West_German
+
25.1%
Sardinian
@
4.14


2

53.8%
North_Italian
+
46.2%
West_German
@
4.78


3

70.4%
North_Italian
+
29.6%
West_Norwegian
@
5.18


4

74.8%
French
+
25.2%
Greek_Thessaly
@
5.22


5

69.3%
North_Italian
+
30.7%
Norwegian
@
5.38



Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Italian +50% West_German @ 5.484067

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Sardinian +25% Tuscan @ 5.045701

1 Italian_Abruzzo + Sardinian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.640827
2 Central_Greek + Sardinian + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 3.765256
19 Central_Greek + Norwegian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 4.449811
20 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + Sardinian @ 4.462564

https://i.imgur.com/z5gUoVA.png

italouruguayan
20-02-18, 01:39
Population Percent

1 Atlantic 22.12
2 Amerindian 18.42
3 East. Med 15.84
4 West Med 12.40
5 North Sea 12.35
6 Baltic 7.04
7 Red Sea 2.87
8 Eastern Euro 2.83
9 Sub Saharan 2.81
10 West Asian 1.59
11 Northeast African 1.14

I cant post images . My coordinates are x= 547 y= 323 .. Below the "West Med" point and to the left of "Jordanian"

PRAETOR
20-02-18, 23:44
Here is my K15 map. I am the red dot. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2uf3us0&s=9#.Woykh-eYOUk



North_Sea
6.98


Atlantic
13.13


Baltic
11.79


Eastern_Euro
4.37


West_Med
15.18


West_Asian
15.34


East_Med
25.43


Red_Sea
4.80


South_Asian
1.27


Southeast_Asian
0.81


Siberian
-


Amerindian
-


Oceanian
0.89


Northeast_African
-


Sub-Saharan
-

Norditaliano
04-05-18, 07:40
http://i64.tinypic.com/30szitz.png

I'm the black point near North Italian.

Sile
04-05-18, 08:52
mine is below with son, sister, father and wife
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/kv15-2_zpsekbfgaqp.jpg.html)
23andme was
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/new%20vp%20split_zpsv1bc4bhj.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/K15V3_zpskqqogfgc.png.html)
now this ...........unsure what to run anymore
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/split%20view_zpsv1jit5rk.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/split%20view_zpsv1jit5rk.jpg.html)
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/K15V3_zpskqqogfgc.png
notice i have to replace mine
https://s20.postimg.cc/4jehlqn1p/k15_new_map.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/f68ar5v6x/)

Duarte
25-05-19, 15:56
https://i.imgur.com/vGuHBY4.png
https://i.imgur.com/UhFrBPj.png
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:https://i.imgur.com/yeS3S2v.png
https://i.imgur.com/tbfBnHC.png

florere
31-05-19, 19:36
I do myself and then I publish the map.

Carlos
01-06-19, 01:38
The ideal is to put the pain in grid is easier to place the coordinates.

italouruguayan
04-06-19, 02:08
Population Percent

1 Atlantic 22.12
2 Amerindian 18.42
3 East. Med 15.84
4 West Med 12.40
5 North Sea 12.35
6 Baltic 7.04
7 Red Sea 2.87
8 Eastern Euro 2.83
9 Sub Saharan 2.81
10 West Asian 1.59
11 Northeast African 1.14

I can�t post images . My coordinates are x= 547 y= 323 .. Below the "West Med" point and to the left of "Jordanian"The location on the map was wrong.
The real location is this, near Thessaly11121

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Carlos
21-06-19, 02:57
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1QIcKwKRDIU/XQwqifXx5qI/AAAAAAAAA2s/whgWDFrn5WYKA8vdBCrvM0BEpm5r-taKgCLcBGAs/s1600/grafico-virgen2.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uVzPvS5dbGo/XQwtVwxCYMI/AAAAAAAAA24/hCjUxbIq8lI2K9QhjfAkjrxNIu8lk1iYQCLcBGAs/s1600/grafico-virgen3.jpg
Chromosome evaluation to chromosome eurógenes k15

Salento
21-06-19, 05:51
23v5 (__ 564) - (| 409)

https://i.imgur.com/v9rsior.jpg

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Salento
21-06-19, 07:27
Combo (__ 552) - (| 391)

https://i.imgur.com/D073dbr.jpg

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Jovialis
15-07-19, 19:50
https://i.imgur.com/ciPb3s1.png

Here is a PCA I made using my first 15 matches. However, I am missing MA2208, I couldn't find the Gedmatch kit for it anywhere. Some of them seem off, like SZ19. But I triple-checked to see if it was correctly done. That one is supposed to cluster near CL30, CL25, and CL38

From the MTA thread

torzio
15-07-19, 20:28
mine from only samples under 10.00

placing of ancient on first letter




https://i.postimg.cc/JzhHTdqW/zoom-my-k15anc.png (https://postimages.org/)

Jovialis
15-07-19, 21:14
https://i.imgur.com/I1YtU8X.png

The DNAkit Studio Superkit includes Helix Geno 2.0 raw data within it.

torzio
16-07-19, 02:59
mine from only samples under 10.00

placing of ancient on first letter




https://i.postimg.cc/JzhHTdqW/zoom-my-k15anc.png (https://postimages.org/)

I do not know how sample i3313 is a Dalmatian.......looks like from modern montpellier

Angela
16-07-19, 05:09
From the MTA thread

Amazing how close the Apulians are to Central Greeks.

I didn't remember that SZ43 was in your best matches list. :) I still don't understand how I can be closer to that ancient sample (3.4 something) than I am to any of the modern Italian populations in any of the calculators, even the Piedmont (really mountain Ligurian) sample. The Tuscan number is higher as well in the modern calculators. Strange. Is it just a coincidence or was this person a descendant of people from my area?

Jovialis
16-07-19, 10:55
Amazing how close the Apulians are to Central Greeks.

I didn't remember that SZ43 was in your best matches list. :) I still don't understand how I can be closer to that ancient sample (3.4 something) than I am to any of the modern Italian populations in any of the calculators, even the Piedmont (really mountain Ligurian) sample. The Tuscan number is higher as well in the modern calculators. Strange. Is it just a coincidence or was this person a descendant of people from my area?

https://i.imgur.com/AM06E7K.png
https://i.imgur.com/ciPb3s1.png

Not one of my best, but it is 11th in my first 15. My best fit is a combination of SZ40 and SZ19 according to MTA (5.8). Z19 plots differently on the real PCA from the study.

The closeness of the Mycenean sample to the Hittite caught my eye.

Indeed, Central Greek is what comes up often for me, as my first entry on various Gedmatch calculators. There's a lot of overlap:

https://i.imgur.com/wEB9YWY.png
https://i.imgur.com/1xzMbEz.jpg

3.4 is very close, I wouldn't be surprised if it was more than just coincidence.

snkves
24-08-19, 20:04
https://i.imgur.com/NIxdxCO.png