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Sile
30-01-17, 22:28
I have recently found this site

http://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l123456/l23456/l2346/l346/l34/l3/n/r/r0/hv/h/h95/h95a/

which shows that many H95a come from either Italy or USA ( where did they migrate from ?)

Of the Italians
one is my sister
one surname Calderan is from the Carnian Alps Friuli
and another is from Trentino region

My ftdna match is with a "south Swedish " whose ancestors date to 1645 , but is part of the south western Finnish ftdna project ( Kven people ?)


I do not know where I can retrieve HG ID from

Sile
19-03-17, 06:11
I received another match in ftdna for mtdna H95a from Finnish/swedish ...............surname Ströberg

my matches now are 4 x Italians and 2 x finnish/swedes .................this does not include any from link in post #1

Sile
11-05-17, 19:33
I received another match in ftdna for mtdna H95a from Finnish/swedish ...............surname Ströberg

my matches now are 4 x Italians and 2 x finnish/swedes .................this does not include any from link in post #1

another update, I now have

4 x italians ( Veneto, Friuli, Trento and the Carnian Alps ) and 3 from finland and sweden ...........latest surname Lassen

Sile
26-05-17, 23:16
another update, I now have

4 x italians ( Veneto, Friuli, Trento and the Carnian Alps ) and 3 from finland and sweden ...........latest surname Lassen

as another H95a appears with surname Saloheimo ( I guess finnish ) then I have changed my mind and think that H95a is now swedish/finnish in origin even though H95 has only been found in "lombard lands" of Italy...Pavia, Bergamo and Sondrio

My guess is that either the longobards and or the goths/ostrogoths of the baltic sea brought this marker to Alpine Italy/austria

Sile
07-07-17, 20:41
as another H95a appears with surname Saloheimo ( I guess finnish ) then I have changed my mind and think that H95a is now swedish/finnish in origin even though H95 has only been found in "lombard lands" of Italy...Pavia, Bergamo and Sondrio

My guess is that either the longobards and or the goths/ostrogoths of the baltic sea brought this marker to Alpine Italy/austria

more swedes with H95a

https://s9.postimg.org/i26az947j/h95a_goth.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/jtz9u5nkb/)

Sile
17-03-18, 06:32
another high swedish match arrived today from kivik

so my high level matches are 80% swedes and 20% north-italian ............apart from veneto the other north -italian comes from Tramonti di Sopra

Sile
19-05-18, 23:05
Another mtdna match for me in mtdna ( I only refer to top matches ) First non swede or non italian who matches me

surname Bihrle from Pfalz, Bavaria, Germany

Sile
27-12-18, 23:43
Another H95a match with me
surname - Maria Michelli .....from Cavazzo Carnico in Friuli Italy
Her date is early 1800 .......
.
.
oops
forgot the other
surname Nevia Gei - Augsburg Bavaria .............seems like German born of Italian parents from Belluno province, Valle di Cadore

Regio X
28-12-18, 01:46
@Sile
Have you seen the Country Report for H95a? ->
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/H

Sile
10-01-19, 08:24
@Sile
Have you seen the Country Report for H95a? ->
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/mt-dna-haplotree/H
thanks ....I got on my ftdna 4 swedes.....the report is short of a few
.
Agneta Åkesson
H95a 3/15/2018
.
Birgitta Apollonia Lassen
H95a 5/10/2017
.
Maarit Ströberg
H95a 3/10/2017
.
Mrs. Elli Aino Sofia Luomanaho
Margareta Hokansdotter; b.1630; Ljungby Sweden H95a 3/4/2013
.
plus a bavarian
.
Plus got contact from Adriano ( the furlano who you know ) whose ancestor is also H95a ........had many chit-chats while I was on beach holidays
.
currently checking on these people for that marker instead of Goth or lombard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osi_(tribe)

Sile
27-02-19, 21:11
I have just received another H95a match via ftdna

surname Bergstrand from Malmo Sweden

it would seem that H95a is more Swedish than alpine Italy or Austria

zanipolo
10-05-19, 20:33
I have just received another H95a match via ftdna
surname Bergstrand from Malmo Sweden
it would seem that H95a is more Swedish than alpine Italy or Austria

Received a note from Bergstrand , origin of this person is from Bolzano, South Tyrol in Italy

I still think this markers origins is Swedish , either Ostrogoth or Longobard

torzio
12-05-19, 19:55
The person whose is Bergstrand, has maternal surnames which are more Tyrolese than Italian or swedish

torzio
14-05-19, 07:43
The following surnames have H95a mtdna , all living between Fonzaso, Bolzano, Innsbruck and Worgl ...............2 families ..............hard to keep track , when women accept the husbands surname

Pfannhauser
Keiblinger
Schweiger
Zochling
Gei
Micheli

torzio
15-05-19, 03:14
Herta joanna Holler , born Bolzano is another H95a.......circa 1920ish

torzio
16-05-19, 03:24
I ran the snptracker for h95a mtdna and it states/shows .....east austria
Then used for fathers T2b17.....it shows central germany rhine river area.....
Then on my grandfather mtdna T1a1e and it shows south sweden

torzio
16-05-19, 07:15
my mtdna
https://i.postimg.cc/xdc4jBht/path-of-h95a.png (https://postimages.org/)

MOESAN
18-05-19, 17:56
my mtdna
https://i.postimg.cc/xdc4jBht/path-of-h95a.png (https://postimages.org/)

Like a lot of others I was thinking in a northern origine (at Chalco ages or around), carried to Italy and South Germany by Germanics tribes; but this map seems saying another story. What is this map based on?

torzio
18-05-19, 19:14
Like a lot of others I was thinking in a northern origine (at Chalco ages or around), carried to Italy and South Germany by Germanics tribes; but this map seems saying another story. What is this map based on?

Data is from ftdna analysis
http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html
change symbol to female one to run your mtdna
The person does answer your queries

torzio
19-11-19, 02:10
Spoke yesterday to the owner of my closest match for mtdna H95a

surname of the oldest in their line is Monte from Ragaogna Friuli circa 1820

my oldest is 1710 from Maser Veneto

other italian is surname Holler from Bolzano

then there is a Bavarian

and also 4 x swedes

torzio
13-12-19, 22:32
some H95a which is related to my line

Maria Joanna Holler b.1905 Bolzano
Francesca Gruber b.1874 in Bolzano

torzio
14-12-19, 00:04
Anna Griessler 1855 from Bolzano

Barbara Mayr 1740 from Emms


looks like its a pure alpine mtdna ............with 3 swedes and 1 swede was from bolzano and married a swede in 1920

torzio
16-12-19, 18:36
deleted double post

torzio
16-12-19, 19:36
[QUOTE=torzio;593100]I spoke to my swedish-Bolzano match ....................her line is the line from Bolzano.........see below at the links

http://trentinogenealogy.com/

and this, but I cannot read german/austrian

https://apps.tirol.gv.at/bildarchiv/#1576514145655_0

torzio
12-02-20, 18:34
H95a match with myself

Carol Dimpfl
mother is Louise Weiner 1905-1989

her mother is Alvina Wiener (born Boetcher) b.1864- 1924 married Louis Weiner


I have gone back the line to

Maria Katharina Knabenbauer (1767 - 1852) Born in Rinchnach, Regen, Bayern, Deutschland on 18 Sept 1767 to Anton Knabenbauer and Theres Mader.


I have zero on Theres Mader who would carry the H95a line


all these are linked with above and myself are also linked with........Neuman , Steiner and Moser ( neuman is also paternal related ) ................Moser is from Trentino ............great italian cyclist francesco moser was from there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Moser

torzio
13-02-20, 20:04
Another match for me ( 3rd to 6th cousin ) 2 shared segments , also shared with my sister

via surname Burkhardt
to
Atilana Vettorazzi
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levico_Terme
Trentino


................................................

same distant and match as my confirmed grandmother sister Maternal side with the Vendrasco family from Oné 31010 Province of Treviso

and same again with the Mara von Escher match from Trentino

all are linked

torzio
20-02-20, 19:06
Another mtdna match

Steiner family from Barbian South Tyrol

oldest I was told

Anna Steiner b.1781
father Michael
mother Maria Gagriller also from barbian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbian

torzio
07-04-20, 20:43
Another match for me ...........this time in
Zufikon
Aargau, 5620 Switzerland

Justina Eichholzer circa 1900

torzio
08-12-20, 18:49
Another H95a match for myself and my sister

surname = Chrzan
from......Visby Gotland, Sweden

All other swedes I have ( 4 of them ) are from Scania Sweden

torzio
08-12-20, 18:56
Swedish Maiden names are impossible to track...every surname is different for the women following daughter to mother to grandmother etc

torzio
20-04-21, 19:26
Got a email from Annika ( sweden ) yesterday in regards to her grandmother South-Tyrol H95a origins ...................migrated via marriage to Sweden 1919
They have very close matches to familiy surnamed Zordan ( Giordano in Italian )...2nd cousins .................link found in Queensland Australia ( more investigations needed by me )

Origine del cognome Zordan

Origine

Deriva da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano.
Tracce di questa cognomizzazione si trovano nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.
Il cognome Zordan è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino.


I cannot see any notable % of the name in Trentino area
file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/899163_nachnamen_in_suedtirol_-_2010.pdf

Zorda è quasi unico ed è quasi sicuramente dovuto ad un errore di trascrizione di Zordan, che è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino, Zordani, quasi unico, è dovuto a errori di trascrizione, derivano da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano, tracce di questa cognominizzazione le troviamo nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.

torzio
20-04-21, 19:34
Another H95a , further details................my closest match in ftdna ...............surname Ciot from Vittorio Veneto ( town was known as Ceneda prior WW1 ) and also nearly town fregona.

Ciotti/Ciot oltre che da una forma ipocoristica aferetica di Felice, potrebbe derivare dall'aggettivo medievale 'ciotto' = "sciancato", mantenutosi nell'antico italiano.

They are also related to the Ciot of Prata di Pordenone


I am linked with this line that died in WW1


CIOT
Antonio
...........S. Giovanni al Natisone T.492

..........11/1/1917

torzio
20-04-21, 20:13
Got a email from Annika ( sweden ) yesterday in regards to her grandmother South-Tyrol H95a origins ...................migrated via marriage to Sweden 1919
They have very close matches to familiy surnamed Zordan ( Giordano in Italian )...2nd cousins .................link found in Queensland Australia ( more investigations needed by me )

Origine del cognome Zordan

Origine

Deriva da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano.
Tracce di questa cognomizzazione si trovano nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.
Il cognome Zordan è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino.


I cannot see any notable % of the name in Trentino area
file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Temp/899163_nachnamen_in_suedtirol_-_2010.pdf

Zorda è quasi unico ed è quasi sicuramente dovuto ad un errore di trascrizione di Zordan, che è tipico veneto, con massima concentrazione nel vicentino, Zordani, quasi unico, è dovuto a errori di trascrizione, derivano da modificazioni dialettali del nome Giordano, tracce di questa cognominizzazione le troviamo nel 1400 a Venezia con il Notaio Daniele Zordan che esercitò dal 1484 al 1517.


Further drilling down ( easy because Women do not take the husband surname in Marriage ) ....found Zordan mother wassurname Carlassare from Cogollo del Cengio , Vicenza Province.......her mother was a Panozzo from Tresche Conca ( now known as Roana ) , this Panozzo was Teresa Panozzo born 1820 who married Francesco Lello.......
Lello matches me also in my ydna matches

The Lello family in USA seem to be un-contactable as this is where Lello link me to

torzio
27-04-21, 18:53
Another mtdna match

Steiner family from Barbian South Tyrol

oldest I was told

Anna Steiner b.1781
father Michael
mother Maria Gagriller also from barbian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbian


This line of H95a ( found recently in the Hafner family tree ) went from Steiner to Scheider to Stanger and to Peroni 1935-1997 ...............all from Innsbruck to Trento line

Pity the woman change their surname after marriage, hard to follow

torzio
27-04-21, 18:56
Further drilling down ( easy because Women do not take the husband surname in Marriage ) ....found Zordan mother wassurname Carlassare from Cogollo del Cengio , Vicenza Province.......her mother was a Panozzo from Tresche Conca ( now known as Roana ) , this Panozzo was Teresa Panozzo born 1820 who married Francesco Lello.......
Lello matches me also in my ydna matches

The Lello family in USA seem to be un-contactable as this is where Lello link me to


In contact with the person who runs this family line and they are H95a also have a line which is from Falze Veneto

my search begins here
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2398379/falze-communal-cemetery