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johen
08-02-17, 20:42
Do you think they were related?

Vinca tablet
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Tartaria_amulet.png
Shaman drum
http://shamanicdrumming.com/shamans_drum.jpg



A traditional medicine wheel drum in the US

http://lindsaypera.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/DRUM-300x300.jpg

And another vinca artifact
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Images/vincaface.jpg

Hongshan almond-eyes in Manchu, 5,000bc
http://tabletlowcost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/la-misteriosa-cultura-hongshan5.jpg
--> first one is probably elongated, but second? any opinion?

Another almond-eyes people, I think original ANE-related people might have those eyes:
Okunevo(2,500bc), shang(1,500bc) in china
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33484-why-Okunevo-culture-was-ingored-in-Indo-European-history-they-are-just-paleo-people?p=501404#post501404 ( #7)

johen
08-02-17, 21:31
Hongshan Hg N is archaeologically connected Yangshao N. Yangshao (5,000bc-3,000bc) in China is the first culture in Yellow river.
Yangshao shaman: 184cm tall.
http://members.westnet.com.au/gary-david-thompson/Grave45_HenanProvince.jpg

another
Banpo burial site in Yangshao culture. Interesting thing is he was buried in a crouched position. where did this guy come from?

http://factsanddetails.com/archives/004/201610/57f01326a0e8e.jpg

5,000BC lots of another neolithic foreigners were buried in the same position in Korea.
Even if they were reported in news media to be EEF from Harz area in Germany, I think they might be ANE-related people.
http://cfile220.uf.daum.net/image/2203FC365420DDC132A2B0

Jon Russ
18-02-17, 16:32
I think it's mush same.

johen
19-02-17, 00:02
1. Cucuteni-Trypillian pottery vs Yangshao pottery in china

The roots of Cucuteni-Trypillian culture can be found in the Starčevo-Körös-Criș and Vinča cultures of the 6th to 5th millennia,[8] with additional influence from the Bug-Dniester culture (6500-5000 BC).[22] During the early period of its existence (in the 5th millennium BC), the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture was also influenced by the Linear Pottery culture from the north, and by the Boian-Giulesti culture from the south.[8]

Gansu Yangshao:Majiayao culture (ca. 3300–2050 B.C.)
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_1992.165.8.jpg

Cucuteni. Phase A3.Tell Harsova.(the fertility goddess in Lajja Gauri attitude)
http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/culture/arcnat/harsova/img/echan03.jpg

the other pottery similarities between cucuteni and Yangshao:
https://www.scribd.com/document/201868951/Phallic-Cult-in-the-Chinese-Bronze-Age-Shang-and-Zhou-dynasties

2.The neolithic foreigners in Korea were reported to be related with the Linear Pottery people in Germany.

3. clearly Ancient people from west and East migrated each other thru Gansu corridor before 3,500BC. What was a role of ANE related people in Central Asia?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Weirivermap.png

4. Yangshao people had Hg N, which originated in Hongshan N of Manchu area. In Hongshan there is also pyramid, which is similar as Egypt one, unlike Mesoamerican pyramid
http://www.messagetoeagle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/hongshanculturemong4.jpg

johen
28-02-17, 19:55
another
Banpo burial site in Yangshao culture. Interesting thing is he was buried in a crouched position. where did this guy come from?

http://factsanddetails.com/archives/004/201610/57f01326a0e8e.jpg

5,000BC lots of another neolithic foreigners were buried in the same position in Korea.
Even if they were reported in news media to be EEF from Harz area in Germany, I think they might be ANE-related people.
http://cfile220.uf.daum.net/image/2203FC365420DDC132A2B0




In korean documentary, a korean genetist said that the above neolithic foreigner had just mtDNA H. German genetist mentioned that the H was related with EEF in Germany ,7000 years age, which modern European don’t have. The pottery found in Korea has something to do with Linerpottery culture. Being similar to the neolithic skull, the other one was already found in neolithic Mongoila, as I remembered.
However, just foreign pottery culture, not european farming, was found, hence, I don’t think EEF migrate in ancient korea. Moreover, making a pottery was probably women’s jobs.

Indiana University Ph.D research:

The mitochondrial haplotypes U5a1 and H2a2a were identified from two upper Neolithic or early Eneolithic graves in Bayankhongor Province, Erdenetsogt Township, Shatar Chuluu. This is the earliest documented appearance of western mtDNA haplotypes on the Mongol Steppe, and the farthest east “western” mtDNA haplotypes have been recorded before the Iron Age. This evidence proves that individuals possessing western Eurasian mtDNA lived on the Mongol Steppe, east of the Altai Mountains, before the Bronze Age, and dispels the notion that the Altai Mountains were a significant barrier to gene flow.


Both the H2a2 and U5a1 haplotypes have coalescence dates after the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) (24,500-17,000BCE) (Achilli et al 2004; Malyarchuk 2004; Clark et al 2009); and both are considered to be linked with the central European Neolithic Linearbandkeramik (LBK), also known as the Linear Pottery Culture, from central Europe, and to the upper Neolithic-Eneolithic Yamnaya (Pit Grave) archaeological culture (3500-2300BCE), sometimes referred to as the “Kurgan Culture,” although these haplotypes also have been found in pre-Yamnaya cultures in western Europe (Anthony 2007; Bentley et al 2012; Brown 2014; Fowler et al 2015; Gomart et al 2015; Haak et al 2015)

And
A paleogenetic study of the prehistoric populations of the Altai(2015)


One of the most noteworthy findings of our study is that prehistoric peoples of the Altai-Sayan region mostly display Western Eurasian mtDNA haplotypes of haplogroups H and U5, which are distributed in Western Siberia and Europe, whereas modern natives of that region are characterized by the predominance of Eastern Eurasian haplogroups (Gubina et al., 2006)



- the maternal ancestry of Trypillian Culture (TC), which was located in western steppe.:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-puGqHuEEGlw/WLEmPFkdU0I/AAAAAAAAFV0/PTIN_1rfuBgHP2UNaOPhIjVNNaVpVO1qQCLcB/s1600/Trypillians_Table1.PNG