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andresasj
15-02-17, 04:57
They have many characteristics in common, such as the nose for example.
There are also people very similar to these in Mexico (not all), a country that Spain colonized.

I thought of the Gypsy people, but they do not have similar traits with those of the Yemen people.


Could someone explain?

mendo
15-02-17, 18:47
Original Iberians were Celts! Lombards and Visigoths were Germanic they came later. I don't know why you would compare Spaniards with people in Yemen?

Khalid_1
15-02-17, 21:24
The Arabs who invaded Spain were largely from Yemen (known fact, not speculation), sooo....

Angela
15-02-17, 21:51
Enough.

@Andressaj,

We don't look kindly on these kinds of provocative posts here. This is the second such one I've seen from you in the past two days. I thought judicious ignoring would work, but apparently not.

Now you've been warned. Cut it out.

LeBrok
16-02-17, 01:01
Enough.

@Andressaj,

We don't look kindly on these kinds of provocative posts here. This is the second such one I've seen from you in the past two days. I thought judicious ignoring would work, but apparently not.

Now you've been warned. Cut it out.
I agree. Definitely a racist intent. One more time and he should be banned.

andresasj
16-02-17, 15:05
Enough.

@Andressaj,

We don't look kindly on these kinds of provocative posts here. This is the second such one I've seen from you in the past two days. I thought judicious ignoring would work, but apparently not.

Now you've been warned. Cut it out.

I'm really lazy to read a few things about the subjects I ask, so that's why I asked here on that site.
The way I see it here, any question here is provocative.
I will not ask more questions here, but on other sites that are willing to help me. I thought that here you would like to help people understand about these genetic issues.
No access here anymore and neither do I want to be part of this site anymore.

andresasj
16-02-17, 15:05
I agree. Definitely a racist intent. One more time and he should be banned.
I'm really lazy to read a few things about the subjects I ask, so that's why I asked here on that site.
The way I see it here, any question here is provocative.
I will not ask more questions here, but on other sites that are willing to help me. I thought that here you would like to help people understand about these genetic issues.
No access here anymore and neither do I want to be part of this site anymore.

andresasj
16-02-17, 15:08
The Arabs who invaded Spain were largely from Yemen (known fact, not speculation), sooo....

Thank you very much Khalid_1.
I knew that the Iberian Peninsula had been invaded by the Arabs but did not know the locality they came from.
You get the point. Thank you for your education in responding.

andresasj
27-02-17, 19:13
Original Iberians were Celts! Lombards and Visigoths were Germanic they came later. I don't know why you would compare Spaniards with people in Yemen?

Because I think they look alike.
A good example I have of this is my acquaintance says he is a descendant of Spaniards, but he resembles the people of Yemen.
The Iberian Peninsula later received Arab people. Should be it.

Alpenjager
27-02-17, 21:05
Arabs from Yemen settled mostly in Aragón but not in the rest of the Iberian Peninsula. Then, any genetic influx and I believe should not be very significant, would be found somewhere there.

If you know something about Yemenis, then you should know that they are not homogeneous, just like the Iberian Peninsula, but you can find such extremely different physical traits. Talking about some traits would be tedious but going to skin colour you can find people as "white" as a random German guy and people as dark as a brown North African.

The Iberian Peninsula is absolutly heterogeneous when we talk about physical traits, some regions most heterogeneous than others and micro-regional homogeneity could be found. For example, Basque Country, you can find some recurrent physical types depending on the region you look for.

Then you can say: "This guy looks spanish" but then you can see another very different looking guy and say exactly the same because he fits among any of the different Iberian types or any mix of these types.

Alpenjager
27-02-17, 21:34
You have several scientific statments coming from the bioanthropologist Pedro Gómez from the University of Oviedo, I will give you one and not talking about the whole Iberian Peninsula but only just about Asturies:

"Asturies contains a high human diversity because of their marked relief and isolated valleys, then keeping regions with very low or null migratory influx with the pass of the time until very recent times.". Pedro Gómez 2013

Fire Haired14
28-02-17, 07:28
Iberians have little North African or Arab ancestry.

Alpenjager
28-02-17, 21:20
Andresasj, here you have a "Spanish Yemeni" from southern Castilla born in Asturies, could pass as Mexican from Yucatan :D

8523

I can't resist, I had to do.

IronSide
11-03-17, 15:40
They have many characteristics in common, such as the nose for example.
There are also people very similar to these in Mexico (not all), a country that Spain colonized.

I thought of the Gypsy people, but they do not have similar traits with those of the Yemen people.


Could someone explain?

Well .. obviously some people thought you had a racist intent, by comparing Spaniards to Yemenis, judging from the down votes, but lets pause here for a moment, why do we think that's offensive, why is looking Yemeni offensive ? do we think it's ugly ? who is the racist here ?

Anyway, Arabs in general had little genetic input to Iberia, FGC12, the dominant form of J1 in Arabia, is 0.5% of the total population, and not all of them came with their families, Berbers from north Africa had a higher contribution, in the history of Moorish Iberia they were the majority of the invading Armies while Arabs were officers and governors.

srdceleva
11-03-17, 16:09
Never met a Spaniard who looks anything like a guy from Yemen. What a ridiculous notion

Angela
11-03-17, 16:28
Well .. obviously some people thought you had a racist intent, by comparing Spaniards to Yemenis, judging from the down votes, but lets pause here for a moment, why do we think that's offensive, why is looking Yemeni offensive ? do we think it's ugly ? who is the racist here ?

Anyway, Arabs in general had little genetic input to Iberia, FGC12, the dominant form of J1 in Arabia, is 0.5% of the total population, and not all of them came with their families, Berbers from north Africa had a higher contribution, in the history of Moorish Iberia they were the majority of the invading Armies while Arabs were officers and governors.

Maybe because we know him and know he thinks it's offensive.

LeBrok
11-03-17, 16:59
Well .. obviously some people thought you had a racist intent, by comparing Spaniards to Yemenis, judging from the down votes, but lets pause here for a moment, why do we think that's offensive, why is looking Yemeni offensive ? do we think it's ugly ? who is the racist here ?

Anyway, Arabs in general had little genetic input to Iberia, FGC12, the dominant form of J1 in Arabia, is 0.5% of the total population, and not all of them came with their families, Berbers from north Africa had a higher contribution, in the history of Moorish Iberia they were the majority of the invading Armies while Arabs were officers and governors.

In order to insult Spaniards, knowing their phobias and racism towards Arabs, is to say that they look like Arabs.

As Angela said, the intent is a key here. We think that intent here wasn't a scientific curiosity type, but animosity towards Iberians, and being provocative to inflict emotional pain to an ethnic group.

I'm surprised only one Spaniard showed up to defend "the honor" of "white christian celtic" nation. Usually there is a whole army of defenders.

castelleone
22-04-17, 16:43
Maybe because we know him and know he thinks it's offensive.

And radical muslims find any questions about their prophet offensive.

Should we therefore never ask such questions?

I honestly find political correctness more offensive than any question.

AGuest
05-05-17, 20:24
I don't think that they look much alike. Yemenites are much darker-skinned, for example. However, there are many Lebanese (like Paul Anka, Joseph Dahdah) who could pass for Spaniards (like Bernat Quintana, Placido Domingo).

castelleone
08-05-17, 18:27
I don't think that they look much alike. Yemenites are much darker-skinned, for example. However, there are many Lebanese (like Paul Anka, Joseph Dahdah) who could pass for Spaniards (like Bernat Quintana, Placido Domingo).

I wonder if the Lebanese and Yemenites find your comment offensive...

Źıun
31-05-17, 21:49
There's no overlap. Not sure if this is a serious thread.

MOESAN
01-06-17, 19:58
Keep cool!
I have not recent Yemenite picture at hand, but I know more than one North-Easterner or true Arab who could pass for a Spanyard and vice-et-versa, at first sight; it is absolutely not a proof of Middle-Ages Arab colonisation but due to a common origin of some of the Mediteranean ancestors of both regions and some resurgences of atavism; evidently, a lot of Spanyards and a lot of diverse Arabs could not check this because they are more distant phenotypically: different global History even if they share a part of this History ; the overlap exists even if very limited ; even some genuine British or French or Swiss people can be compared to SOME of the North-Easterners (not full body, but say, concerning just their head)- Very dark complexion is common enough among Spanyards, even if less marked than among Portugueses or Sardinians or Cyrpus people, and joined to dolichocephaly and some features it contributes to an approximative ressemblance for non-specialists - I don't understand it could be offensive; we can agree or not agree, but without nerves break or hatred; mistakes are authorized, I think, and disagreements too, if we keep on polite. Evidently if the mistake become religion and harassment, it deserves bannishment, but not immediately; it's my thought, I hope I don't offense anybody, accord or not concerning the technical statement-

MOESAN
01-06-17, 20:02
addenda: I don't know if it's true yet, but in the middle of the XX°Cy ancient pop of Yemen was divided in different tribes, nomadic bedawins and sedentary people, in diverse regions, every of which has different means of physical traits, cephalic indexes and skin colour comprised -

Angela
01-06-17, 20:11
Keep cool!
I have not recent Yemenite picture at hand, but I know more than one North-Easterner or true Arab who could pass for a Spanyard and vice-et-versa, at first sight; it is absolutely not a proof of Middle-Ages Arab colonisation but due to a common origin of some of the Mediteranean ancestors of both regions and some resurgences of atavism; evidently, a lot of Spanyards and a lot of diverse Arabs could not check this because they are more distant phenotypically: different global History even if they share a part of this History ; the overlap exists even if very limited ; even some genuine British or French or Swiss people can be compared to SOME of the North-Easterners (not full body, but say, concerning just their head)- Very dark complexion is common enough among Spanyards, even if less marked than among Portugueses or Sardinians or Cyrpus people, and joined to dolichocephaly and some features it contributes to an approximative ressemblance for non-specialists - I don't understand it could be offensive; we can agree or not agree, but without nerves break or hatred; mistakes are authorized, I think, and disagreements too, if we keep on polite. Evidently if the mistake become religion and harassment, it deserves bannishment, but not immediately; it's my thought, I hope I don't offense anybody, accord or not concerning the technical statement-

Unfortunately I have no more points to award, but it's a well reasoned and objective analysis, whether people want to hear it or not.

castelleone
20-06-17, 08:00
Unfortunately I have no more points to award, but it's a well reasoned and objective analysis, whether people want to hear it or not.

This analysis is nothing but common sense, just like my posts in this thread... somehow some vote it down... go figure. :-)

I find it actually even funnier that some people in this thread reacted against the original poster andreasj based on what he thinks is racist.

Seanp
20-06-17, 18:02
It seems a common anthro forum trend to claim people as Arabic descent just to "humiliate" their people. What's wrong with Near Eastern admixture and when the Near Eastern civilizations (Egyptians, Assyrians, Medes, Phoenicians, Hindus) were at it's cultural, technological peak where were the so called "European" civilizations?
They were culturally more primitive without even leaving an impact in the ancient history, but this has changed when the Hellenes started to copy the knowledge of Eastern civilizations.

Garrick
20-06-17, 22:10
It seems a common anthro forum trend to claim people as Arabic descent just to "humiliate" their people. What's wrong with Near Eastern admixture and when the Near Eastern civilizations (Egyptians, Assyrians, Medes, Phoenicians, Hindus) were at it's cultural, technological peak where were the so called "European" civilizations?
They were culturally more primitive without even leaving an impact in the ancient history, but this has changed when the Hellenes started to copy the knowledge of Eastern civilizations.
In 15th century China and India were similar developed as Europe.

After the navy development and discovery of new world Europe begun to make difference.

In the following centuries Europe was totally dominant.

But difference started to decreases rapidly due to fast growth of China in the last half century since 70’s and now days India.

In 2050 even Indian economy is projected to be ahead Europe.

http://www.pwc.com/jp/en/japan-news/2015/assets/image/world-in-2050-150227-01.gif

castelleone
14-07-17, 14:14
It seems a common anthro forum trend to claim people as Arabic descent just to "humiliate" their people. What's wrong with Near Eastern admixture and when the Near Eastern civilizations (Egyptians, Assyrians, Medes, Phoenicians, Hindus) were at it's cultural, technological peak where were the so called "European" civilizations?

Absolutely nothing wrong.
I really think that the real racism is identified blatantly in those who take offense at such claims (i.e. those who find my posts unhelpful).



They were culturally more primitive without even leaving an impact in the ancient history, but this has changed when the Hellenes started to copy the knowledge of Eastern civilizations.

You have to forgive some people, because not all of them have the courage to deal with this fact.

DuPidh
14-07-17, 16:20
It seems a common anthro forum trend to claim people as Arabic descent just to "humiliate" their people. What's wrong with Near Eastern admixture and when the Near Eastern civilizations (Egyptians, Assyrians, Medes, Phoenicians, Hindus) were at it's cultural, technological peak where were the so called "European" civilizations?
They were culturally more primitive without even leaving an impact in the ancient history, but this has changed when the Hellenes started to copy the knowledge of Eastern civilizations.

Looking down on Middle Eastern's is a clear sign of ignorance. People of Middle East have been at the forefront of human ingenuity. They were the first farmers who gave humanity strong hold in survival. Also Arabs which are Middle Eastern invented the seagoing vessels, Algebra, Chemistry etc.. Also at present day some of the best cities in the world are being build in the Middle East. Middle Eastern are as bright as any body else. People need to travel to see how wrong the stereotypes are

Bergin
14-07-17, 16:57
Looking down on Middle Eastern's is a clear sign of ignorance. People of Middle East have been at the forefront of human ingenuity. They were the first farmers who gave humanity strong hold in survival. Also Arabs which are Middle Eastern invented the seagoing vessels, Algebra, Chemistry etc.. Also at present day some of the best cities in the world are being build in the Middle East. Middle Eastern are as bright as any body else. People need to travel to see how wrong the stereotypes are

One way to rephrase your logic is: Middle Eastern is good, Gypsy is bad.
Maybe looking down on people and cultures is a clear sign of ignorance.

On the other side, we all are ignorant up to a significant degree...

castelleone
17-07-17, 20:57
One way to rephrase your logic is: Middle Eastern is good, Gypsy is bad.
Maybe looking down on people and cultures is a clear sign of ignorance.

On the other side, we all are ignorant up to a significant degree...

It is actually illogic to associate Gypsies to his statements. He is emphasizing the importance of the Middle Easterners to the development of science and urban development, probably because those humble beginnings led humans, a thousand years later, to exchange messages across the world via electronic machines...

Bergin
17-07-17, 22:22
It is actually illogic to associate Gypsies to his statements. He is emphasizing the importance of the Middle Easterners to the development of science and urban development, probably because those humble beginnings led humans, a thousand years later, to exchange messages across the world via electronic machines...

My logic was to bring forward a neutral element: the Gypsies. Native Americans is another neutral case.
Even if they might have less contribution than Middle Easterners, none should 'look down' on these people.

You might even want to say that one should 'look up' to the ancient Middle Easterners because of their contribution.

Anyway, just my opinion.

castelleone
18-07-17, 18:59
My logic was to bring forward a neutral element: the Gypsies. Native Americans is another neutral case.
Even if they might have less contribution than Middle Easterners, none should 'look down' on these people.

You might even want to say that one should 'look up' to the ancient Middle Easterners because of their contribution.

Anyway, just my opinion.

Every people have their ups and downs.
Northern Europeans still haven't build a single Colisseum... :wary2: