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Fire Haired14
25-02-17, 06:58
European Farmer mtDNA in the Cucuteni-Trypillia Culture (http://mtdnaatlas.blogspot.com/2017/02/european-farmer-mtdna-in-cucuteni.html)

Only 9 samples. One had H1b1*. H1b today peaks in Eastern Europe at about 3%.

bicicleur
25-02-17, 11:25
mtDNA looks like EEF with extra H

https://ndownloader.figshare.com/files/7658281/preview/7658281/page_1_width_860.png
clusters with LBK, Starcevo, Barcin, neolithic Spain ..
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=medium&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0172952.g001

bicicleur
25-02-17, 11:50
they are all from 1 location, Verteba cava and retesting of the samples at GVSU gave some results different from HMS

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=large&id=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0172952.t001

Angela
25-02-17, 16:46
Do we know anything about the distribution of U8b1b?

bicicleur
25-02-17, 17:27
Do we know anything about the distribution of U8b1b?

we know more about its sister U8b2 = K
and U8a and U8c are European mesolithic, but not U8b
if I'm allowed to make a guess, I'd associate U8b with Caucasian Epi-Gravettian, with Y-DNA J and with CHG

Angela
25-02-17, 18:55
we know more about its sister U8b2 = K
and U8a and U8c are European mesolithic, but not U8b
if I'm allowed to make a guess, I'd associate U8b with Caucasian Epi-Gravettian, with Y-DNA J and with CHG

That would be very interesting if true, yes? There would be two possibilities in that case, perhaps? One would be some flow from the steppe of people carrying "Caucasus" like mtDna. Could the other be a sign of a late migration from Anatolia?

With all this ancient dna we still don't have samples from some key areas.

Ed. I hope you don't think I dislike speculating. It's fun and sometimes it even turns out to be correct. I just like it to be clear that's what it is, which is always the case with you anyway.

bicicleur
25-02-17, 19:28
That would be very interesting if true, yes? There would be two possibilities in that case, perhaps? One would be some flow from the steppe of people carrying "Caucasus" like mtDna. Could the other be a sign of a late migration from Anatolia?

With all this ancient dna we still don't have samples from some key areas.

Ed. I hope you don't think I dislike speculating. It's fun and sometimes it even turns out to be correct. I just like it to be clear that's what it is, which is always the case with you anyway.

It is speculating Angela, and I like it, and I think it is good as long as you're able to keep an open mind.

After LGM Caucasian Epi-Gravettian spread into Transcaucasia where Satsurblia was found, but also in the Crimea area.

There are to many open spaces in between anciant DNA data, we can only see a few events, the rest is for our imagination.

Fire Haired14
27-02-17, 06:45
Do we know anything about the distribution of U8b1b?

U8b1b is extremely rare. In my collection it only exists in; Neolithic Hungary, Neolithic Turkey, Neolithic Germany, Bronze age Minoan, Medieval Turkey, Spain, Lebanon, Iran, Southern Italy.

Modern Spain and Neolithic Hungary are the only two with a somewhat decent frequency(1% or close to it).

U8b1a2b was also found in Tryillia. In my collection it only exists in Neolithic Hungary and Spain.