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fmichael
20-03-17, 15:11
Predicted Haplogroup is R-M512

Please give more information about this haplogroup.

Known Ruthenian (Galicia in Eastern Europe) heritage backward 300 years.

With Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor I got this
Results Table

Haplo-
group Probability(%)
E1a 0.2
E1b1a 0.5
E1b1b 4.5
G1 0.4
G2a 1.5
G2b 0.7
I1 12.0
I2a 3.0
I2b 0.5
J1 0.5
J2a 2.1
J2b 1.8
L 0.5
N 3.5
O 0.7
Q 1.2
R1a 54.0
R1b 11.2
R2 0.5
T 0.7

Coriolan
20-03-17, 22:59
M512 is the same as L21. It's the typical Atlantic Celtic lineage.

Why do you use the predictor if you already know your haplogroup? What test did you take?

Dibran
21-03-17, 02:34
M512 is the same as L21. It's the typical Atlantic Celtic lineage.

Why do you use the predictor if you already know your haplogroup? What test did you take?

I'm pretty sure R-M512 is the paragroup to which R-M417 belongs, within r1a. It's broad and not very specific. I'm pretty sure R-M512 has nothing to do wit Celts. Unless I'm missing something.

Megalophias
21-03-17, 04:39
I'm pretty sure R-M512 is the paragroup to which R-M417 belongs, within r1a. It's broad and not very specific. I'm pretty sure R-M512 has nothing to do wit Celts. Unless I'm missing something.
You are correct, M512 is R1a1a, equivalent to M198 or M17; M412=L51 is R1b1a2a1.

But R1a1a-M512 is not a paragroup, it is a haplogroup. It's only a paragroup if you are specifically excluding some lineages, for instance "all M512 that isn't M417".

Maciamo
21-03-17, 11:15
M529 is actually the equivalent of R1b-L21. M512 is R1a-M198. In other words you only know that you are R1a but without knowing your subclade or deep clade. I suppose that was a dubious Y-STR test that you order?

fmichael
21-03-17, 13:39
M512 is the same as L21. It's the typical Atlantic Celtic lineage.

Why do you use the predictor if you already know your haplogroup? What test did you take?

I did Family Tree DNA - Y-DNA111 test.
I take Haplogroup Predictor to see influence other DNA Haplogroup (DNA is pretty Colorful).

fmichael
21-03-17, 13:58
I'm pretty sure R-M512 is the paragroup to which R-M417 belongs, within r1a. It's broad and not very specific. I'm pretty sure R-M512 has nothing to do wit Celts. Unless I'm missing something.


I found that my Celtic connection is in R1b Haplogroup and it is 11,2% if I understand correct!?

I wish to put From Family Tree DNA I print screen for part of R Haplogroup but I need more post.
Is there Haplogroup M512=M198=M514=L168=M17 ? The same thing?
Haplogroup M417 branch out from M512.

fmichael
21-03-17, 14:12
M529 is actually the equivalent of R1b-L21. M512 is R1a-M198. In other words you only know that you are R1a but without knowing your subclade or deep clade. I suppose that was a dubious Y-STR test that you order?

For R-M512 they say Presumed Positive and they recommend SNPs test.
But from R-512 there are two main branh out
YP1051 and
M417
From M417 there two more branch out
CTS4385 and
PF6162
after that there is hundred branches and SNPs test.

So I could be R-M512 or one of hundred other SNPs?

fmichael
21-03-17, 16:13
M529 is actually the equivalent of R1b-L21. M512 is R1a-M198. In other words you only know that you are R1a but without knowing your subclade or deep clade. I suppose that was a dubious Y-STR test that you order?

I did Family Tree DNA - Y-DNA111 test and my expectations with that Big test was Big.
Unhappily I just know that I can make 100 test to be sure which SNPs is really my.

fmichael
22-03-17, 09:59
From eupedia table european_y-dna_haplogroups sorted by Countries
I take my datas with significant value (criteria was >=3) and compare with Country Haplogroup data

Best Correlation is with
Poland 0,99450838
Slovakia 0,93151534
Belarus 0,92842751 but no T and Q Haplogroup

Region/Haplogroup I1 I2*/I2a I2b R1a R1b G J2 J*/J1 E1b1b T Q N
Me 12 3 0,5 54 11,2 2,6 3,9 0,5 4,5 0,7 1,2 3,5

Belarus 5,5 17,5 1 51 5,5 1,5 2,5 1 4 0 0 10
Czech Republic 11 9 4 34 22 5 6 0 6 1 1,5 0,5
Hungary 8,5 16 2 29,5 18,5 3,5 6,5 3 8 0 0 0,5
Latvia 6 1 1 40 12 0 0,5 0 0,5 0,5 0,5 38
Lithuania 6 6 1 38 5 0 0 0 1 0,5 0,5 42
Moldova 5 21 3 30,5 16 1 4 4 13 1 0 1,5
Poland 8,5 5,5 2 57,5 12,5 1,5 2,5 0 3,5 0,5 0,5 4
Russia 5 10,5 0 46 6 1 3 0 2,5 1,5 1,5 23
*Chuvashs 7 4,5 0 30 3 0 13 1,5 13 0 0 28
*Komis 2 2 0 29 11 0 0 0 5 0 0 51
*Maris 3 1 0 32 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 61
*Mordvins 8 1 3 36 11 3 14 0 9 0 0 15
Slovakia 6,5 16 1,5 41,5 14,5 4 2 1 6,5 0,5 0,5 3
Slovenia 9 20,5 1,5 38 18 1,5 2,5 0 5 1 0 0
Ukraine 4,5 20,5 0,5 44 8 3 4,5 0,5 6,5 1 0,5 5,5

Ruthenian was settled in Galicia (geographical between Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Ukraine)
Any comment about my conclusions?

fmichael
22-03-17, 13:47
From eupedia table european_y-dna_haplogroups sorted by Countries
I take my datas with significant value (criteria was >=3) and compare with Country Haplogroup data

Best Correlation is with
Poland 0,99450838
Slovakia 0,93151534
Belarus 0,92842751 but no T and Q Haplogroup



I1

I2*/I2a
I2b
R1a
R1b
G
J2
J*/J1
E1b1b
T
Q
N



Me
12
3
0,5
54
11,2
2,6
3,9
0,5
4,5
0,7
1,2
3,5




















Belarus

5,5
17,5
1
51
5,5
1,5
2,5
1
4
0
0
10
0,92842751


Czech Republic

11
9
4
34
22
5
6
0
6
1
1,5
0,5
0,90068331


Hungary
8,5
16
2
29,5
18,5
3,5
6,5
3
8
0
0
0,5
0,83445301


Latvia
6
1
1
40
12
0
0,5
0
0,5
0,5
0,5
38
0,69874087


Lithuania
6
6
1
38
5
0
0
0
1
0,5
0,5
42
0,62356895


Moldova

5
21
3
30,5
16
1
4
4
13
1
0
1,5
0,7669072


Poland

8,5
5,5
2
57,5
12,5
1,5
2,5
0
3,5
0,5
0,5
4
0,99450838



Russia

5
10,5
0
46
6
1
3
0
2,5
1,5
1,5
23
0,8734774


*Chuvashs
7
4,5
0
30
3
0
13
1,5
13
0
0
28
0,64873717



*Komis
2
2
0
29
11
0
0
0
5
0
0
51
0,42479749


*Maris
3
1
0
32
2
1
0
0
0
1
0
61
0,38214854


*Mordvins (Mordovians)

8
1
3
36
11
3
14
0
9
0
0
15
0,89087215


Slovakia

6,5
16
1,5
41,5
14,5
4
2
1
6,5
0,5
0,5
3
0,93151534


Slovenia

9
20,5
1,5
38
18
1,5
2,5
0
5
1
0
0
0,86443254



Ukraine

4,5
20,5
0,5
44
8
3
4,5
0,5
6,5
1
0,5
5,5
0,89868755



Ruthenian - Rusyn - Rusnak - Lemkos lived in Galicia - South Poland, E Slovakia, North-East Hungary, West Ukraine

Any comment about my conclusions?

Dibran
23-03-17, 01:48
You are correct, M512 is R1a1a, equivalent to M198 or M17; M412=L51 is R1b1a2a1.

But R1a1a-M512 is not a paragroup, it is a haplogroup. It's only a paragroup if you are specifically excluding some lineages, for instance "all M512 that isn't M417".

Ahh. I see. Thank you for the clarification.

Artmar
08-04-17, 11:54
Hello, I strongly encourage to join R1a Project at FTDNA. Here's the link: https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/about

We will be able to refine your subclade unless it's pretty atypical/rare basing on your Y-111 result.

Dibran
12-05-17, 03:38
You are correct, M512 is R1a1a, equivalent to M198 or M17; M412=L51 is R1b1a2a1.

But R1a1a-M512 is not a paragroup, it is a haplogroup. It's only a paragroup if you are specifically excluding some lineages, for instance "all M512 that isn't M417".

Question, Any reason one male relative would be placed in 512 and the other 417?

Me and my father test as R-M417 on 23. His cousin(on the paternal line of course) is grouped in R-M512.

Any reason why he wasn't grouped in R-M417 with us?