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Tomenable
02-06-17, 12:46
Genetic similarity to various populations in Eurogenes K36:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Here are my results for Europe (I added color clines in GIMP):

>85% similarity (= West Slavs, West Ukrainians, and descendants of Eastern Polans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polans_(eastern))?)
>80% similarity
>70% similarity
>60% similarity
>50% similarity

http://i.imgur.com/VI8GXUM.png

Promenade
02-06-17, 14:42
876487658766
Peaks in Belgium and Normandy, why is my affinity to Native Americans and Sardinians equal though? Even my affinity to the Maori is roughly equal to that with Georgians. Is it because some of the natives tested in these places have northwest European ancestry they arent aware of? The similarity to Manchus is also odd in my opinion.

Tomenable
02-06-17, 15:04
They are Latinos / Hispanics as well, not only Native Americans.

Not sure about the Maoris, but I think some of them are mixed.

I1a3_Young
02-06-17, 16:10
8767

Still not a pro at posting pics. I guess I need to learn what GIMP is as well.

Tomenable
02-06-17, 16:12
How did you make the heat map?

I used GIMP 2.8. Image Manipulation Program.

BTW, here are Early Medieval Slavs in this tool:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34097-Early-Medieval-Slavic-DNA-(years-600-900-AD)?p=510256&viewfull=1#post510256

Promenade
02-06-17, 16:31
They are Latinos / Hispanics as well, not only Native Americans.

Not sure about the Maoris, but I think some of them are mixed.

Ah alright that makes more sense. Any idea about Manchu being 14? What did you guys score? I noticed that the images are invalid attachments so no one can see them, I'll try and fix that when I return home

MsJ
02-06-17, 21:15
I don't think it's surpising.
8769

Promenade
02-06-17, 22:26
877187728773
Testing to see if posting images this way works

I1a3_Young
02-06-17, 22:32
Not far off from each other, Promenade.

Promenade
02-06-17, 22:48
Not far off from each other, Promenade.

Genetically I turn out like a Belgian or English which makes sense to me because most of my ancestry is from Germany but I also have ancestry from the France, Netherlands, Scotland and Ireland pulling me towards the isles.

I believe we'll see if more people share their maps that Americans have a lower highest affinity score towards a certain population compared to people who are mono-ethnic

MsJ
02-06-17, 23:40
My "hot spots" where I know I have quite a bit of ancestry are true in this calculator. Along the border of France and Germany especially. Most of my Germans came from that area.

Apsurdistan
03-06-17, 04:59
Ah alright that makes more sense. Any idea about Manchu being 14? What did you guys score? I noticed that the images are invalid attachments so no one can see them, I'll try and fix that when I return home

Mine is showing 18 in Manchu. And the highest numbers I got is in Hungary and Slovenia/Western Croatia. Then highest scores are in the rest of east, southeast and central Europe including Germany. I can't figure out how to post these imagines in here, the snipping tool doesn't work when I try to minimize the window these squares with the numbers move somehow. Oh well screw it.

Promenade
03-06-17, 18:17
Mine is showing 18 in Manchu. And the highest numbers I got is in Hungary and Slovenia/Western Croatia. Then highest scores are in the rest of east, southeast and central Europe including Germany. I can't figure out how to post these imagines in here, the snipping tool doesn't work when I try to minimize the window these squares with the numbers move somehow. Oh well screw it.

For some reason insert image doesnt work and leads to an invalid attachment, I was able to post images by doing the following:

1.Click on "attachments"(looks like a paper clip, it's next to text color)

2.Click on "add files"

3.Click on "select files"

4.Select the images you want to share and click on "upload images"

5.Check off on the images you want to share in the thread, then click on "insert inline"

The high Manchu is puzzling

Aha
03-06-17, 19:43
http://i.imgur.com/khFG3YM.jpg

Tomenable
04-06-17, 04:17
Aha, you seem to be kind of northern-shifted.

Interesting, considering that you also have N1c which is more frequent in Belarus than in Ukraine.

Valerius
04-06-17, 14:19
Not the best coloring skills but anyway; pretty Balkan picture for me.

Apsurdistan
04-06-17, 15:20
According to this map and calculator Anatolian Turks seem pretty distant genetically from the Balkans and the rest of Europe and that's surprising to me, I thought they wouldn't be much different than Balkans particularly in western Anatolia.

srdceleva
04-06-17, 16:30
http://i.imgur.com/khFG3YM.jpg
What regions of the Ukraine are your grandparents from?

Aha
04-06-17, 17:11
Aha, you seem to be kind of northern-shifted.

Interesting, considering that you also have N1c which is more frequent in Belarus than in Ukraine.


What regions of the Ukraine are your grandparents from?

Kyiv region. Parents from Kyiv and 10km from Kyiv. Grandparents: paternal: 10km from Kyiv, 80km from Kyiv; maternal: from Vinnytsya region and one person from Altai, with unknown ancestry, perhaps back-migration.

My ftdna y12 matches are lithuanians. And 3 out of 10 top autosomal matches are lithuanians too, with one matching y12

http://i.imgur.com/hP32x6x.jpg

srdceleva
05-06-17, 00:52
Kyiv region. Parents from Kyiv and 10km from Kyiv. Grandparents: paternal: 10km from Kyiv, 80km from Kyiv; maternal: from Vinnytsya region and one person from Altai, with unknown ancestry, perhaps back-migration.

My ftdna y12 matches are lithuanians. And 3 out of 10 top autosomal matches are lithuanians too, with one matching y12

http://i.imgur.com/hP32x6x.jpg
Very interesting, yes you look northern shifted with Lithuanian/northern Belarus type ancestry. Kiev though has been a center for the east Slavic world since the kievan Rus so it would be interesting to see a better and more in depth study if the regions around kiev. Maybe your ancestor from the Altai region was Baltic as well. Was that on your paternal side?

Dibran
05-06-17, 03:30
How do you do this with the color blobs on the higher concentration areas? Is there a program used to do this? It would help be easier on the eyes.

Aha
05-06-17, 08:23
Very interesting, yes you look northern shifted with Lithuanian/northern Belarus type ancestry. Kiev though has been a center for the east Slavic world since the kievan Rus so it would be interesting to see a better and more in depth study if the regions around kiev. Maybe your ancestor from the Altai region was Baltic as well. Was that on your paternal side?

Yes, indeed, it would be interesting if someone done a study on the regions around Kyiv. People of many various villages have their own distinctive look and there is a big range of phenotypes.

The paternal side is deeply Kyivan.
The ancestor from Altai is on the maternal side.



k36
Aha
Bel.East
Ukr.Cent
Lith


East_Central_Euro
28.01
26.95
23.8
34.73


Fennoscandian
13.5
13.24
10.89
17.14


Eastern_Euro
12.81
18.60
17.40
19.69


North_Atlantic
9.9
6.77
6.44
6.46


North_Sea
6.72
6.72
6.82
8.61


Central_Euro
5.69
8.74
7.41
8.18


East_Balkan
4.39
5.91
6.48
5.04


North_Caucasian
3.74
1.53
2.33
-


French
3.7
2.41
3.33
0.06


Iberian
3.46
3.37
3.76
0.09


South_Central_Asian
2.6
0.53
0.23
-


Volga-Ural
2.31
2.07
1.94
-


Italian
2.29
1.82
6.23
-





How do you do this with the color blobs on the higher concentration areas? Is there a program used to do this? It would help be easier on the eyes.

I do in Adobe Illustrator with basic tools, most people do in ms paint or related apps. Maybe someone uses something more sophisticated. It's done manually

srdceleva
05-06-17, 09:37
My K36 map
> 85 red
>80 blue
>75 green
>70 yellow
>60 gray

https://preview.ibb.co/bYjAYF/Karl_k36_colored_map.png (https://ibb.co/dMmeSa)

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 10:04
I wish someone would make my map, I'll pay you $20

srdceleva
05-06-17, 10:12
I wish someone would make my map, I'll pay you $20

just use the snipping tool to get the image of your map. Open it into paint and use the basic tools, its not that hard. Maybe mine isnt that fancy like Aha and tomenable but its not that hard to make it even like theirs.

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 10:48
just use the snipping tool to get the image of your map. Open it into paint and use the basic tools, its not that hard. Maybe mine isnt that fancy like Aha and tomenable but its not that hard to make it even like theirs.

It would be easier to just pay someone to do it.
I can't snip the image out without those squares shifting when I minimize it.
Also how do you post a picture in here to look like that to and not like a small thumbnail?

srdceleva
05-06-17, 11:08
It would be easier to just pay someone to do it.
I can't snip the image out without those squares shifting when I minimize it.
Also how do you post a picture in here to look like that to and not like a small thumbnail?

squares shifting? just snip the image it will stay the same and save it.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/misc.php?do=bbcode&styleid=45

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 14:11
8784:confused2:
:confused2:

srdceleva
05-06-17, 14:13
8784:confused2:
:confused2:
Bro that thing is hideous [emoji23]

Btw, your results look way more west Slavic than many balkan people, I thought that by looking at ur other results

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 14:17
Bro that thing is hideous [emoji23]

How dare you! that's pure art

I1a3_Young
05-06-17, 16:24
Genetically I turn out like a Belgian or English which makes sense to me because most of my ancestry is from Germany but I also have ancestry from the France, Netherlands, Scotland and Ireland pulling me towards the isles.

I believe we'll see if more people share their maps that Americans have a lower highest affinity score towards a certain population compared to people who are mono-ethnic

So far the highest numbers -

Young's Dad 92 England/Wales
MSJ 90 England/Wales
Tomenable 89 west Poland
Aha 88 Belarus
Promenade 86 Belgium
Young 86 England
Srdcleva 86 East Germany
Velerius 85 Macedonia/Bulgaria
Apsurdistan 83 Slovenia

I would bet than an Irish person could score 95.

I1a3_Young
05-06-17, 16:35
8787

Colored attempt and inline image (edited to expand red to 85+)

MsJ
05-06-17, 16:38
My attachment didn't work properly the first time but I scored a whopping 90 for both England and Wales, 89 for Ireland and 88 for Scotland. It's funny that I have 0 percent English DNA according to My Heritage Ethnicity Estimates. I guess being a mutt doesn't allow for accurate calculations.

I1a3_Young
05-06-17, 16:44
My attachment didn't work properly the first time but I scored a whopping 90 for both England and Wales, 89 for Ireland and 88 for Scotland. It's funny that I have 0 percent English DNA according to My Heritage Ethnicity Estimates. I guess being a mutt doesn't allow for accurate calculations.

90 is a new high score!

Don't trust the MyHeritage British or Scandinavian estimates - they are all over the place. It shows my parents and brother with 0% Scandi and me with 32%. It also shows my brother 60+% English and me only 5%. Ridiculous.

What is curious to me is that for having 4 points lower in England, I don't have extra scores elsewhere compared to you. Our other numbers are very similar.

srdceleva
05-06-17, 17:06
So far the highest numbers -

Tomenable 89 west Poland
Aha 87 Ukraine/Russia border
Promenade 86 Belgium
Young 86 England
Srdcleva 86 Germany - Sachsen Anhault?
Velerius 85 Macedonia/Bulgaria
Apsurdistan 83 Slovenia

I would bet than an Irish person could score 95.
It's just a marker for all of east germany, which is heavily Slavic admixed and genetically distant from the rest of Germans. The sorbs seem to have heavily influenced the area and it's why all Slavic people show higher rates for east germany v

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 17:07
So far the highest numbers -

Tomenable 89 west Poland
Aha 87 Ukraine/Russia border
Promenade 86 Belgium
Young 86 England
Srdcleva 86 Germany - Sachsen Anhault?
Velerius 85 Macedonia/Bulgaria
Apsurdistan 83 Slovenia

I would bet than an Irish person could score 95.

Ooh fun game let's play who gets the highest scores

I got 83 in Slovenia and Hungary so far the highest for them. I highly doubt anyone will bump me off there's just not enough people participating, but let's see what happens.

MsJ
05-06-17, 17:10
90 is a new high score!

Don't trust the MyHeritage British or Scandinavian estimates - they are all over the place. It shows my parents and brother with 0% Scandi and me with 32%. It also shows my brother 60+% English and me only 5%. Ridiculous.

What is curious to me is that for having 4 points lower in England, I don't have extra scores elsewhere compared to you. Our other numbers are very similar.

I don't understand how I score so high in the British Isles when more of my ancestry is Dutch and German. And you're mostly British with lower scores than I have?

Aha
05-06-17, 17:10
So far the highest numbers -

Tomenable 89 west Poland
Aha 87 Ukraine/Russia border
Promenade 86 Belgium
Young 86 England
Srdcleva 86 Germany - Sachsen Anhault?
Velerius 85 Macedonia/Bulgaria
Apsurdistan 83 Slovenia

I would bet than an Irish person could score 95.

My highest is 88 in Belarus

http://i.imgur.com/khFG3YM.jpg

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 17:25
I got 79 in Croatia anyone got more than that? Looks like Valerius pretty much bumped me off from my own territory in Bosnia :disappointed: and I think Romania, Moldavia as well. Well at least I got more in Czechia, Slovakia than Srdceleva :laughing: Tomenable has more though.

I1a3_Young
05-06-17, 17:59
Updated & Corrected:

Young's Dad 92 England/Wales
MSJ 90 England/Wales
Tomenable 89 west Poland
Aha 88 Belarus
Promenade 86 Belgium
Young 86 England
Srdcleva 86 East Germany
Velerius 85 Macedonia/Bulgaria
Apsurdistan 83 Slovenia

I1a3_Young
05-06-17, 18:01
8788

My dad. Brother, Mother, and Mother's mother all have similar heat zones but my dad had the highest number. Brother was 89 England and Grandmother was 85 Scotland.

Apsurdistan
05-06-17, 18:05
Hungary-Croatia-Slovenia is Apsurdistan territory for now and I predict no one's getting higher scores there any time soon.

mlukas
05-06-17, 21:42
Me

https://s22.postimg.org/dl2b3xrwx/clinal.jpg

I1a3_Young
05-06-17, 22:12
94! New high score!

Dibran
06-06-17, 05:57
Me:




8789

My Father:




8790

Apsurdistan
06-06-17, 09:01
Bro that thing is hideous [emoji23]

Btw, your results look way more west Slavic than many balkan people, I thought that by looking at ur other results

I don't know how much Bosnian,Serb, Croat gene data you know about. But I doubt mine is too exceptional.

srdceleva
06-06-17, 10:48
My Father's Map
>85% red
>80% blue
>75% green
>70% yellow
>60% gray

https://preview.ibb.co/j66uSa/dads_k_36_map_colored.png (https://ibb.co/no88na)

srdceleva
06-06-17, 12:32
I don't know how much Bosnian,Serb, Croat gene data you know about. But I doubt mine is too exceptional.
It's not too exceptional just a bit northern shifted compared to some balkan people I've seen from other forums. Your results look more like a croats or slovenians to me

I1a3_Young
06-06-17, 14:27
I don't understand how I score so high in the British Isles when more of my ancestry is Dutch and German. And you're mostly British with lower scores than I have?

My family all has a score in either Belgium or the Netherlands equal to our English/Welsh score. The people are very similar. Nobody in our family history on paper has come from those mainland areas so it's all British for us. The Dutch and German you have probably closely match the same people that populated Britain.

LeBrok
06-06-17, 16:16
Notably, this calculator, makes East Germans more related to Polish or even Ukrainian and Slavic in general than related to West Germans.

srdceleva
06-06-17, 17:31
Notably, this calculator, makes East Germans more related to Polish or even Ukrainian and Slavic in general than related to West Germans.
Maybe that's the case though?

LeBrok
07-06-17, 03:44
Maybe that's the case though?Maybe. If it is true, it would mean that East Germans are mostly germanized Slavs. I wonder how East Germans plot on PCA chart?

Apsurdistan
07-06-17, 04:18
This supports the opinion of some.. that Berlin is renamed from Brljin and Brandenburg from Branibor, Dresden from Drijezdan, Leipzig from Lipsko, etc.
The Lusatian Sorbs or Luzicki Srbi as Serbs call it are high frequency R1a people and in east Germany it's not even close to 50% which doesn't hint they're all just Germanized Slavs.

Northener
07-06-17, 09:06
Sharp tool!

My result: Ingvaeonic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingaevones)

core: 85 >
region: 80-85
perifere: 75-80

https://www.mupload.nl/img/v85rjtn7chclb.png

Maciamo
07-06-17, 11:26
Here is mine, for what it's worth.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/K36-map.png


My ancestry is principally a mix of Celtic and Germanic and the red zone is the convergence between the two groups (Brittany has high Celtic DNA while Normandy to Luxembourg is more Germanic, but with Gaulish/Belgic).

And here is another Belgian with a much broader range over Northwest Europe in the 80%, and with a peak at 91-92 in West and South Germany. He still gets scores in the 70% in Central Europe and 60% in Eastern and most of Southern Europe.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/K36-map-2.png

I1a3_Young
07-06-17, 14:25
Thanks for posting, Maciamo.

Your Basque sets a record at 47, the next highest is 40 and many are in the 20's. I suppose you are just about the closest person to that zone that has posted though.


Where's the resident Iberians?

Also I noticed a lack of actual British folks on this site. The one I did see was banned :P

mwauthy
08-06-17, 00:41
Thanks for posting, Maciamo.

Your Basque sets a record at 47, the next highest is 40 and many are in the 20's. I suppose you are just about the closest person to that zone that has posted though.


Where's the resident Iberians?

Also I noticed a lack of actual British folks on this site. The one I did see was banned :P

I got 45 for Basque and peaked at 94 for the Brittany/Normandy population.

Regio X
08-06-17, 15:35
>=85; >= 80; >=75; >=70; >= 60; >=50. Roughly.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MineFTDNA_zpsszmvgqxl.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MineFTDNA_zpsszmvgqxl.jpg.html)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/Mine23andMe_zpsipoqhkvt.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/Mine23andMe_zpsipoqhkvt.jpg.html)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/Father_zpsuyfv1muc.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/Father_zpsuyfv1muc.jpg.html)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/Mother_zpslupb61lb.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/Mother_zpslupb61lb.jpg.html)

mwauthy
08-06-17, 16:55
My highest peak score here is very close to my predicted place of origin of Normandy on the other k36 program. Both algorithms seem to corroborate each other.

Syky
09-06-17, 22:22
Me:
http://jpeg.cz/images/2017/06/09/fjB2.png

Apsurdistan
09-06-17, 22:29
Well crap there goes my Slovenia.

MOESAN
09-06-17, 22:32
They are Latinos / Hispanics as well, not only Native Americans.

Not sure about the Maoris, but I think some of them are mixed.

Almost all of them today are mixed - I don't know if surveys take their genealogy in account?

Sile
09-06-17, 22:33
>=85; >= 80; >=75; >=70; >= 60; >=50. Roughly.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/MineFTDNA_zpsszmvgqxl.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/MineFTDNA_zpsszmvgqxl.jpg.html)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/Mine23andMe_zpsipoqhkvt.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/Mine23andMe_zpsipoqhkvt.jpg.html)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/Father_zpsuyfv1muc.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/Father_zpsuyfv1muc.jpg.html)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e102/paleoven/Mother_zpslupb61lb.jpg (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/paleoven/media/Mother_zpslupb61lb.jpg.html)

mine below

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m153/vicpret/similarity_zpsgpofahz5.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/vicpret/media/similarity_zpsgpofahz5.jpg.html)

similar to yours

further break down by mine via the creator

From oracle-spreadsheet

1 IT_Veneto 5,52
2 IT_Friuli 10,50
3 IT_North 55,63
4 IT_Piedmont 64,88
5 Swiss_Italian 80,52
6 IT_Tuscany 106,72
7 IT_Aosta 116,92
8 Swiss_German 189,15
9 Albania_Montenegro 201,53
10 Austria_Tyrol 217,31
11 France_Central 252,58
12 Macedonia_FYROM 279,77
13 Albania_FYROM 391,37
14 South_Romania 395,82
15 Albania_North 464,27
16 Romania_SE 468,79
17 IT_Lazio 495,40
18 France_NorthWest 495,91
19 Serbian 520,65
20 Kosovo 526,21


BTW, north italy boxes represent Milan and south-tyrol ( trentino alto-adige )

Tomenable
11-06-17, 16:53
Seven Eastern Germans (+ their kit numbers):

Windmoeller (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/cMFoBfi.jpg

Schauer (GEDCOM ID#: 5564977):

http://i.imgur.com/4jyGt6s.jpg

J. Steinbach (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/6DOFtw3.jpg

Kopitzke (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/z7lVnUq.jpg

Matthia (http://www.matthia.org):

http://i.imgur.com/NufIlr1.jpg

Krampetz (GEDCOM ID#: 5380745):

http://i.imgur.com/DHFyJvk.jpg

L. Steinbach (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/M69EeGY.jpg

srdceleva
11-06-17, 16:58
Seven Eastern Germans (+ their kit numbers):

Windmoeller (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/cMFoBfi.jpg

Schauer (GEDCOM ID#: 5564977):

http://i.imgur.com/4jyGt6s.jpg

J. Steinbach (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/6DOFtw3.jpg

Kopitzke (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/z7lVnUq.jpg

Matthia (http://www.matthia.org):

http://i.imgur.com/NufIlr1.jpg

Krampetz (GEDCOM ID#: 5380745):

http://i.imgur.com/DHFyJvk.jpg

L. Steinbach (GEDCOM ID#: 6534358):

http://i.imgur.com/M69EeGY.jpg
These can't be average east Germans though. Look more like prussians.

Pax Augusta
11-06-17, 16:59
BTW, north italy boxes represent Milan and south-tyrol ( trentino alto-adige )


I highly doubt that, especially south Tyrol that is only the English name of Alto-Adige, not even of Trentino.

Tomenable
11-06-17, 17:03
These can't be average east Germans though. Look more like prussians.

They are Germans with ancestry from former German territories which are now in Poland.

Check their GEDCOMs, everything is there (I mean, their family trees can be found there).

selectivememri
11-06-17, 18:47
8836
mine :) no cool gradient shading unfortunately, the numbers alone will have to do :(

Promenade
11-06-17, 19:30
Finally got around to coloring mine. I also redid the test because they seemed to have updated their map, they added Northern Irish and Transylvanian samples.

I'm Closer to Northern Irish than regular Irish which is interesting because AncestryDNA claims I cluster with others who have Norn Iron ancestry, as far as I know I have no ancestors from there though.

8837



Here is mine, for what it's worth.

http://www.eupedia.com/images/K36-map.png


My ancestry is principally a mix of Celtic and Germanic and the red zone is the convergence between the two groups (Brittany has high Celtic DNA while Normandy to Luxembourg is more Germanic, but with Gaulish/Belgic).

Ha, it seems I make a more convincing Belgian genetically than you do. They should really split up Flanders and Wallonia though, Belgium is one of the less genetically homogeneous countries in Europe and I'm sure there would be a fair difference between the two, similar to Switzerland. It's clear that Belgians are a Celtic and Germanic mix, I derive about 20~ percent of my ancestry from the celtic areas of the British Isles and the rest mostly from Germany and I serve as a decent proxy for them.


Thanks for posting, Maciamo.


Your Basque sets a record at 47, the next highest is 40 and many are in the 20's. I suppose you are just about the closest person to that zone that has posted though.

His overall Iberian ancestry is pretty high, he also has higher similarities with Italian Swiss than most other North West Europeans here do.



These can't be average east Germans though. Look more like prussians.

I have ancestry from Pomerania and Lower Silesia, East Germany is the only place where I have ancestry from that isnt above 80 here. If it includes Germans who used to reside in Poland like Tomenable says than the number will be highly variable. A German from Mecklenburg with ancestry from Polabians might not be similar from a German originally from East Prussia who had ancestry from Baltic people or a German from somewhere else in the east where they didn't mix as much.

Tomenable
11-06-17, 19:33
The ones I posted are not from East Prussia.

But some of them are from Pomerania. I couldn't find any 100% East Prussians. I only found one 50% East Prussian + 50% West German (according to GEDCOM). Maybe if the East Prussian parent orders a DNA test one day, I will have a 100% East Prussian sample.

Promenade
11-06-17, 19:35
8836
mine :) no cool gradient shading unfortunately,

It would be fairly difficult to create with those results, outside of Macedonia the numbers are all over the place

Tomenable
11-06-17, 19:36
I have ancestry from Pomerania and Lower SilesiaOn GEDmatch, do you have any 100% East German relatives with GEDCOMs?

selectivememri
11-06-17, 19:57
Ha, truly, it's bizarre that northern greece shows less similarity than what appears to be southern greece? Also, what are peoples' theories on why Sardinians are such outliers? I just always assumed they were similar to Italians....


It would be fairly difficult to create with those results, outside of Macedonia the numbers are all over the place

New Englander
11-06-17, 20:05
8839

Dont see anything out of the ordinary, and is very consistent with the Oricals.

Promenade
11-06-17, 20:55
On GEDmatch, do you have any 100% East German relatives with GEDCOMs?

I just created one to look and I couldn't find any relatives let alone East Germans. The Surnames of my ancestors from Pomerania were Leeger and Friek. I don't know the surname of the one from Lower Silesia because she married an American, I have it somewhere though. I'll tell you when I find it.


Ha, truly, it's bizarre that northern greece shows less similarity than what appears to be southern greece? Also, what are peoples' theories on why Sardinians are such outliers? I just always assumed they were similar to Italians....

They have a large amount of EEF ancestry and lack Steppe ancestry, the island isolated them enough so they preserved much more of their neolithic ancestry compared to the rest of Europe.

Sile
11-06-17, 21:40
[/B]

I highly doubt that, especially south Tyrol that is only the English name of Alto-Adige, not even of Trentino.

I spoke to the creator

to the NW of south tyrol , there is north Tyrol germany

to the NE of south tyrol , there is salzburg Austria

Tomenable
12-06-17, 15:53
The results of seven Lithuanians and Latvians in this tool:

http://i.imgur.com/JQZ0CIo.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XcUIweU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/nJD9gQZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ds2zLAR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JNpvaHG.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FuY5qRr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jEe8sVa.jpg

Tomenable
12-06-17, 15:54
Ancient Celtic and Germanic results in this tool:

RISE174 (Early Medieval Germanic, 427-611 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/bWQZO4n.jpg

Hinxton1 (Iron Age Celtic Briton 160 BC - 26 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/0RwfyPL.jpg

Hinxton4 (Iron Age Celtic Briton 170 BC - 80 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/6vgXRaA.jpg

Mixed Anglo-Saxons (Hinxtons 2,3,5 631-881 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/baONY5J.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/m5aIwAm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/C5T0vfj.jpg

Pax Augusta
12-06-17, 16:05
I spoke to the creator

to the NW of south tyrol , there is north Tyrol germany

to the NE of south tyrol , there is salzburg Austria

What has it to do with what we were discussing?

Tyrol in Germany? Really?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Tirol-Suedtirol-Trentino.png/737px-Tirol-Suedtirol-Trentino.png

srdceleva
12-06-17, 21:17
Ancient Celtic and Germanic results in this tool:

RISE174 (Early Medieval Germanic, 427-611 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/bWQZO4n.jpg

Hinxton1 (Iron Age Celtic Briton 160 BC - 26 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/0RwfyPL.jpg

Hinxton4 (Iron Age Celtic Briton 170 BC - 80 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/6vgXRaA.jpg

Mixed Anglo-Saxons (Hinxtons 2,3,5 631-881 AD):

http://i.imgur.com/baONY5J.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/m5aIwAm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/C5T0vfj.jpg
do you have an my heritage results for any Lithuanians? I'm curious to see how Baltic they score on it.

I1a3_Young
12-06-17, 21:49
My family tracking close with the Anglo-Saxons, as expected. Thanks for posting.

mwauthy
13-06-17, 04:23
8853

It appears that England is more closely related to northern France, Belgium, and west/central Germany than to the Netherlands or northern Germany. The Celtic portion of the admixture seems to be more prominent than the Germanic portion.

Sakattack
13-06-17, 11:27
FWIW, here is mine:

8852

mwauthy
13-06-17, 15:20
8854


My 23andMe results tend to correlate well with these k36 results. Not for where my relatives were born but rather for how similar our admixtures are. My highest numbers for both are French/German then British/Irish then broadly NW which can include Scandinavia at a lower admixture match. My Roman influence doesn't correlate highly with modern Southern Europeans but is my next closest admixture match in Iberia after northwest and Central Europe.

Tomenable
13-06-17, 15:52
Another East German with partially West Pomeranian + Lower Silesian ancestry:

GEDCOM ID#: 7947070

http://i.imgur.com/NOI6Yvp.png

K36 nMonte for Lietzau:

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCES"
German_East Czechs_Moravians Slovak Hungary
8.307297 8.604509 10.377336 10.727080
Slovenian Austria PL_Upper_Silesia Pl_Kashubians
11.097545 12.343786 12.930024 12.943236

Lietzau

Pl_Kashubians 24.5
Austria_Tyrol 23.0
Sweden 22.1
PL_Sudovia 21.2
IT_Sardinia 4.0
IT_Veneto 3.6
GR_Thrace 1.3
IT_Tuscany 0.1
Holland 0.1

^^^ He is mainly a mix of West Pomeranian Germans with Lower Silesian Germans and in K36 nMonte he looks like 1/2 Polish + 1/4 Western Austrian + 1/4 Swedish. He is also close to Upper Silesian Poles and Kashubians in single population sharing. This makes a lot of sense.

Sile
14-06-17, 19:55
What has it to do with what we were discussing?

Tyrol in Germany? Really?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Tirol-Suedtirol-Trentino.png/737px-Tirol-Suedtirol-Trentino.png

I do not know why you bring this up...........but the creator stated to me yesterday , that there is only one north-italian box and the other is a north-italian/austrian mix box .....he also said as I only have 2 red boxes , the north-italian and the "south tyrol " one

For those who are not mixed, a small number of red or brown boxes, probably indicate that you are originating from an intermediate region between two very different regions.
In your case you are straddling between two regions very geographically close but very genetically distant that are northern Italy and Austria.
Your profile is therefore very limited geographically, and you do not have many red boxes.

BTW - the new site populates in colour the boxes automatically

Edit - Creator stated it is not south -tyrol, but represented Carnian alps, Friuli ..........Ladian people ,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnic_Alps

Maciamo
14-06-17, 22:19
8837


Ha, it seems I make a more convincing Belgian genetically than you do. They should really split up Flanders and Wallonia though, Belgium is one of the less genetically homogeneous countries in Europe and I'm sure there would be a fair difference between the two, similar to Switzerland. It's clear that Belgians are a Celtic and Germanic mix, I derive about 20~ percent of my ancestry from the celtic areas of the British Isles and the rest mostly from Germany and I serve as a decent proxy for them.

Our results are remarkably close considering we have such different ancestry. From what I have seen from 23adnMe results (over 50 Flemings and 50 Walloons) there isn't much difference between Flanders and Wallonia. There interpersonal differences are bigger. The Flemings are much more different from the Dutch (except North Brabant and Limburg) than from the Walloons.

mwauthy
15-06-17, 03:49
Our results are remarkably close considering we have such different ancestry. From what I have seen from 23adnMe results (over 50 Flemings and 50 Walloons) there isn't much difference between Flanders and Wallonia. There interpersonal differences are bigger. The Flemings are much more different from the Dutch (except North Brabant and Limburg) than from the Walloons.

The three of us are pretty similar. I seem to be a bit more inbred though hence the higher northern France scores. My mom is French Canadian and my dad's parents were first cousins so it makes sense lol.

Ysengrin
16-06-17, 09:12
Here's mine, sorry I'm not very talented with paint. I find this calculator very precise, it is a good resume of what I know of my family history.

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/44538019105833102124711081600105450847016755949940 n.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=445380191058331021247110816001054508 47016755949940n.jpg)

srdceleva
16-06-17, 13:06
North German with ancestry mostly from Hamburg (with GEDcom):

Kit number: H649776

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170616/54821f76e97d5e703bd0bf66d911caa4.jpg
His Eurogenes K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

#PopulationPercent
1North_Atlantic50.83
2Baltic28.92
3West_Med8.41
4East_Med4.04
5West_Asian3.93
6Red_Sea1.33
7South_Asian1.32
8Siberian0.62
9Northeast_African0.45
10Amerindian0.15

Least-squares:

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source)Distance
1Norwegian3.23
2Danish3.46
3North_Dutch3.96
4Swedish4.18
5North_German4.81
6Orcadian5.97
7Irish6.66
8West_Scottish6.93
9Southeast_English7.36
10Southwest_English8.79
11North_Swedish9.44
12South_Dutch10.95
13West_German11.52
14East_German13.58
15Austrian13.88
16French16.91
17Southwest_Finnish17.67
18Hungarian17.74
19South_Polish21.36
20Croatian22.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 81.1%Danish+18.9%[email protected]
2 97.7%Norwegian+2.3%[email protected]
3 97.9%Norwegian+2.1%[email protected]
4 61.1%Danish+38.9%[email protected]
5 90.4%Danish+9.6%[email protected]
6 97.9%Norwegian+2.1%[email protected]
7 98.3%Norwegian+1.7%[email protected]
8 92.9%Danish+7.1%[email protected]
9 92.8%Danish+7.2%[email protected]
10 98.4%Norwegian+1.6%[email protected]
11 58.3%Norwegian+41.7%[email protected]
12 98.1%Norwegian+1.9%[email protected]
13 98.1%Norwegian+1.9%[email protected]
14 77.8%North_Dutch+22.2%[email protected]
15 98.2%Norwegian+1.8%[email protected]
16 98.2%Norwegian+1.8%[email protected]
17 94.2%Danish+5.8%[email protected]
18 98.7%Norwegian+1.3%[email protected]
19 93.8%Danish+6.2%[email protected]
20 98.1%Norwegian+1.9%[email protected]

Gaussian:

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +50% Swedish @ 3.257537

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% Norwegian +25% Swedish @ 3.142092

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 3.142092
2 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.159508
3 Danish + Danish + Danish + North_Swedish @ 3.163684
4 Danish + Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish @ 3.172780
5 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 3.178333
6 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 3.200292
7 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 3.237297
8 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Dutch + North_Swedish @ 3.239144
9 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + Norwegian @ 3.248334
10 Danish + Danish + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.257537
11 Danish + North_Dutch + North_Swedish + West_Scottish @ 3.273475
12 Danish + Danish + Danish + Swedish @ 3.273919
13 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.288378
14 Danish + North_Dutch + Norwegian + Swedish @ 3.294572
15 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 3.314415
16 Danish + Danish + North_Swedish + Orcadian @ 3.328635
17 Danish + North_Swedish + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 3.350953
18 Danish + Danish + Irish + North_Swedish @ 3.351072
19 Danish + North_Dutch + Swedish + Swedish @ 3.355464
20 North_Swedish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Southeast_English @ 3.355885

===================

His Eurogenes K36 results:

Population
Amerindian-
Arabian-
Armenian-
Basque0.80
Central_African-
Central_Euro9.80
East_African-
East_Asian-
East_Balkan3.21
East_Central_Asian-
East_Central_Euro10.24
East_Med-
Eastern_Euro5.35
Fennoscandian13.66
French6.82
Iberian4.64
Indo-Chinese-
Italian8.65
Malayan-
Near_Eastern-
North_African-
North_Atlantic13.45
North_Caucasian-
North_Sea23.37
Northeast_African-
Oceanian-
Omotic-
Pygmy-
Siberian-
South_Asian-
South_Central_Asian-
South_Chinese-
Volga-Ural-
West_African-
West_Caucasian-
West_Med-

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170616/a1b94761071c797bc282de318c651737.jpg

mwauthy
16-06-17, 17:29
Here's mine, sorry I'm not very talented with paint. I find this calculator very precise, it is a good resume of what I know of my family history.

https://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/44538019105833102124711081600105450847016755949940 n.jpg (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=445380191058331021247110816001054508 47016755949940n.jpg)

Looks like a good representation of Halstatt La Tene. Definitely primarily Celtic.

Ysengrin
16-06-17, 20:28
Looks like a good representation of Halstatt La Tene. Definitely primarily Celtic.

I'm living in 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the archeological site of la Tne :-)


I noticed that there were ancient peoples reference maps on the post, Are there similar maps for Central, Western and Southern ancient peoples of Europe ?

Thank you

mwauthy
18-06-17, 21:02
I'm living in 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the archeological site of la T�ne :-)


I noticed that there were ancient peoples reference maps on the post, Are there similar maps for Central, Western and Southern ancient peoples of Europe ?

Thank you



Have you taken the FTDNA test? Just curious what your FTDNA 2.0 scores might be. I have 90% West and Central Europe which might be a good representation of Gaulish or Hallstatt La Tene.

cpsinkule
19-06-17, 08:41
Thanks for sharing, it really puts things into perspective.

Ysengrin
19-06-17, 15:20
Have you taken the FTDNA test? Just curious what your FTDNA 2.0 scores might be. I have 90% West and Central Europe which might be a good representation of Gaulish or Hallstatt La Tene.

Yes the "raw data" i used came from FTDNA. The results with Eurogene K36 seems to be more accurate than "MyOrigins" from FTDNA.

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/617806MyOrigins.png (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=617806MyOrigins.png)

I know that 50% of my family tree for the last 500 years should be found in western and central Europe. On FTDNA they say 9% which is most certainly wrong. The 32% of scandinavian seems to me too high... In my case the old version of myorigins was more accurate.

mwauthy
19-06-17, 17:22
Yes the "raw data" i used came from FTDNA. The results with Eurogene K36 seems to be more accurate than "MyOrigins" from FTDNA.

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/617806MyOrigins.png (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=617806MyOrigins.png)

I know that 50% of my family tree for the last 500 years should be found in western and central Europe. On FTDNA they say 9% which is most certainly wrong. The 32% of scandinavian seems to me too high... In my case the old version of myorigins was more accurate.

Those FTDNA scores appear really off based on the k36 interpretation. You have all scores in the 60s for Scandinavia yet received 32%. My Scandinavian scores are in the 70s and I received 0%. My friend's scores are in the 80s and he only received 26%. Plus our Iberian scores are pretty similar high 60s and low 70s yet you received 31% and I received 0%.

Ysengrin
19-06-17, 20:31
Those FTDNA scores appear really off based on the k36 interpretation. You have all scores in the 60s for Scandinavia yet received 32%. My Scandinavian scores are in the 70s and I received 0%. My friend's scores are in the 80s and he only received 26%. Plus our Iberian scores are pretty similar high 60s and low 70s yet you received 31% and I received 0%.

Yes these results are so stange...

I have the same interrogation with genographic project, but in that case 0% of central and western Europe ...

https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/421468Sanstitre.png (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=421468Sanstitre.png)

The family of my maternal grandmother come from german switzerland since 250 years and more. The family of my maternal grandfather come from France and England. My paternal grandmother is french and my paternal grandfather was born of unknown father but his mother was from an ancient swiss family (500 years and more, perhaps since the 10th century).


I tested 3 different companies, the 3 have different autosomal results and all are probably not enough accurate.

Tomenable
28-06-17, 18:34
The genetic division of Europe based on my own results: :laughing:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude2.htm

http://i.imgur.com/y9qh0t2.png

Compare with the map of European languages in 1100 AD:

Grover S. Krantz (Professor of Anthropology), "Geographical Development Of European Languages", American University Studies, Series XI, Anthropology and Sociology, Vol. 26:

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguages/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguagesCh6-8En.htm

http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/KranzG1988GeogrDevelopmOfEurLanguages/KrantzGCh7Fig26.jpg

And the maximum extent of Slavic expansion (800s AD):

http://s16.postimg.org/6c858un85/Slavic_expansion.png

Tomenable
28-06-17, 19:26
The natural geographical western border of Eastern Europe is the "Baltic-Adriatic narrowing" ("zwężenie bałtycko-adriatyckie"): http://przeglad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Leszek_Sykulski_tom_6.pdf

This is also roughly the Frankish-Slavic border in the Early Middle Ages:

http://i.imgur.com/Ul4dc78.png

Modern distribution of R1a haplogroup in Germany and Austria:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8461-Map-of-haplogroup-R1a-in-Germany-and-Austria&p=184322&viewfull=1#post184322

http://oi68.tinypic.com/6enpso.jpg

Sile
28-06-17, 19:31
The natural geographical western border of Eastern Europe is the "Baltic-Adriatic narrowing" ("zwężenie bałtycko-adriatyckie"): http://przeglad.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Leszek_Sykulski_tom_6.pdf

This is also roughly the Frankish-Slavic border in the Early Middle Ages:

http://i.imgur.com/Ul4dc78.png

Modern distribution of R1a haplogroup in Germany and Austria:

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8461-Map-of-haplogroup-R1a-in-Germany-and-Austria&p=184322&viewfull=1#post184322

http://oi68.tinypic.com/6enpso.jpg

while I agree with your post # 98 and 99 , the facts are the Istria was always italian through late bronze-age to after WW2 ( check out the istrian exodus initiated by tito)

Dibran
28-06-17, 21:11
Seems like whatever I inherited from my mother shifted my values. The highest matches being in the 70s. However my father has the really high italian component, yet surprisingly he has values over 80.


Me:

8902



My father:

8903

BackToTheForests
28-06-17, 22:51
This is mine, does anyone know how far back K36 test is for?

8905

cpsinkule
06-07-17, 02:26
Here is mine

http://imgur.com/a/E3VUB8919

Stuvanè
06-07-17, 15:57
This is mine https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170706/de532133c6ba32506f03859e5e2fc503.jpg

Sent from my SM-A300FU using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Bosnian Boss
12-07-17, 08:11
Dibran: Does your father have any known Arbëreshë ancestry?

Sile
29-07-17, 08:45
mine below

https://s20.postimg.org/3sornjp8d/lucien_Eliseo.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/fhsrbig6x/)
similar to yours

further break down by mine via the creator

From oracle-spreadsheet

1 IT_Veneto 5,52
2 IT_Friuli 10,50
3 IT_North 55,63
4 IT_Piedmont 64,88
5 Swiss_Italian 80,52
6 IT_Tuscany 106,72
7 IT_Aosta 116,92
8 Swiss_German 189,15
9 Albania_Montenegro 201,53
10 Austria_Tyrol 217,31
11 France_Central 252,58
12 Macedonia_FYROM 279,77
13 Albania_FYROM 391,37
14 South_Romania 395,82
15 Albania_North 464,27
16 Romania_SE 468,79
17 IT_Lazio 495,40
18 France_NorthWest 495,91
19 Serbian 520,65
20 Kosovo 526,21


BTW, north italy boxes represent Milan and south-tyrol ( trentino alto-adige )

https://s20.postimg.org/3sornjp8d/lucien_Eliseo.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/fhsrbig6x/)


https://s20.postimg.org/egsimdz7h/mi_k36.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/mz1yqq5q1/)

noman
29-07-17, 10:07
My Similarity Map:

http://i.imgur.com/I5dk73L.png
http://i.imgur.com/Iyh8isZ.png
http://i.imgur.com/0MUjrh4.png

Oracle for K36



Amerindian
0.55


Arabian
-


Armenian
4.47


Basque
-


Central_African
-


Central_Euro
-


East_African
-


East_Asian
-


East_Balkan
1.27


East_Central_Asian
-


East_Central_Euro
0.16


East_Med
-


Eastern_Euro
2.04


Fennoscandian
1.55


French
-


Iberian
-


Indo-Chinese
-


Italian
-


Malayan
-


Near_Eastern
-


North_African
-


North_Atlantic
0.29


North_Caucasian
10.13


North_Sea
-


Northeast_African
-


Oceanian
0.79


Omotic
-


Pygmy
-


Siberian
-


South_Asian
32.96


South_Central_Asian
44.11


South_Chinese
-


Volga-Ural
1.33


West_African
-


West_Caucasian
0.36

Dibran
30-07-17, 01:52
Dibran: Does your father have any known Arbëreshë ancestry?


Not known no. According to family oral history, we originally had the name Pershpalaj and came from Mirdita near Orosh. We have been in Diber Okshtun per record for at least 400 years. According to an Albanian oral history of the region, they claim pershpalaj descend from a Condottieri named Paul that was hired by Skanderbeg from Italy.

On k36 european ancestry plot, he gets placed near Bari(which I understand has Arbereshe communities, correct me if I am wrong). Perhaps the condottieri was arberesh that migrated from Morea?

Idk. What makes you think that by the way?

Bosnian Boss
15-08-17, 08:55
Not known no. According to family oral history, we originally had the name Pershpalaj and came from Mirdita near Orosh. We have been in Diber Okshtun per record for at least 400 years. According to an Albanian oral history of the region, they claim pershpalaj descend from a Condottieri named Paul that was hired by Skanderbeg from Italy.

On k36 european ancestry plot, he gets placed near Bari(which I understand has Arbereshe communities, correct me if I am wrong). Perhaps the condottieri was arberesh that migrated from Morea?

Idk. What makes you think that by the way?

Just a guess on my part for your father's increased affinity with Italian populations. (A back migration?) But the condottieri story sounds plausible, especially since the Albanians' oral history tradition preserved important information needed for its clan-based society.

curiouscat
17-08-17, 15:29
Bronze Age Portugal - T772566 - PT_BA_TorreVelha_3831

74429 SNPs used in this evaluation

http://i.imgur.com/tMCZR8j.png

PRAETOR
20-02-18, 22:24
This is my k36 map. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2u5vmvb&s=9#.WoyTFeeYOUk

italouruguayan
22-02-18, 15:55
I'm from Montevideo (Uruguay). My father is 100% ethnically Italian (my grandfather was from Veneto, and my grandmother, a Uruguayan granddaughter of Italians). On the mother side, I inherited an important Native American component and a small African contribution. Its main European component is Iberian, with an Italian great-grandfather. The maps fit my story very well, although I was surprised by the important Balkan component, more important than the Iberian.

975897599760

AdeoF
22-02-18, 17:31
Meh i might aswell upload it here aswell with improved colours. Can you see I also coloured a different place aswell on the map!

https://thumb.ibb.co/dMeGJH/updted_pic.png (https://ibb.co/dMeGJH)

Jesus
24-02-18, 08:08
How do I post a picture? I need to know about my ancestry.

big_guitar
07-04-18, 14:18
I would also be interested to know what time frame this k36 mapping should be referencing....

big_guitar
08-04-18, 08:04
guess i need a few more posts before I'm allowed to upload an image.

Mark
08-04-18, 08:38
Netherlands... hmmm, how odd.

9981

Dreptul Valah
08-04-18, 09:14
Not the best coloring skills but anyway; pretty Balkan picture for me.
Nice chart.

EDIT

It has to be consistently Paleo-Balkanic,because Kosovo is definitely the reference here,they are a controversial 'state' searching for methods to strengthen their autonomy/independence.

I have posted on the Vlach thread some maps from a study (Florin Stanciu)where Kosovo virtually contained no Slavic ancestry,that's why those genes are extremely reliable,plus,the already known E-V13 spike from out there.

Maciamo
08-04-18, 09:22
8853

It appears that England is more closely related to northern France, Belgium, and west/central Germany than to the Netherlands or northern Germany. The Celtic portion of the admixture seems to be more prominent than the Germanic portion.

That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.

big_guitar
09-04-18, 07:06
That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.
That's interesting, since I have high numbers in those areas with that K36 map. The K36 mapping paints a picture more to what I would expect compared to how Ancestry maps it out, at least for what would seem more likely to me for perhaps hundreds of years ago or so, although perhaps not thousands, I couldn't say.... But I'm just a noobie with this stuff.

85-87 [Northern France and North-Western France]
81-84 [Belgium, West Germany, South Germany, Switzerland, Center France]
75-79 [UK/Ireland, South-East France/North-West Italy?, Netherlands, Northern Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria]

Ancestry maps me much heavier on the UK/Ireland side, followed by Iberian Peninsula with Western Europe close behind.

mwauthy
09-04-18, 14:45
That's interesting, since I have high numbers in those areas with that K36 map. The K36 mapping paints a picture more to what I would expect compared to how Ancestry maps it out, at least for what would seem more likely to me for perhaps hundreds of years ago or so, although perhaps not thousands, I couldn't say.... But I'm just a noobie with this stuff.

85-87 [Northern France and North-Western France]
81-84 [Belgium, West Germany, South Germany, Switzerland, Center France]
75-79 [UK/Ireland, South-East France/North-West Italy?, Netherlands, Northern Germany, Liechtenstein, Austria]

Ancestry maps me much heavier on the UK/Ireland side, followed by Iberian Peninsula with Western Europe close behind.

The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.

My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.

On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.

mwauthy
09-04-18, 14:53
That makes sense since English people are a blend of Anglo-Saxon (Dutch, NW Germany) and Brythonic Celts (mixed Hallstatt and La Tène + older British Beaker L21). So English people are best described as Celto-Germanic rather than merely Germanic. That is also the case of Belgians, North French and South Germans.
My Atlantic score which I feel has a strong Celtic component to it is almost identical to my North Sea score which I feel has a strong Germanic component to it making my scores in my opinion pretty reflective of an almost equal Celtic/Germanic mix. My scores peak in Northern France rather than Southern England, Belgium, or Southwestern Germany because of a stronger Southwestern European influence in my case.

big_guitar
09-04-18, 16:27
The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.
My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.
On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
Is there some sort of legend that maps each of the K36-map squares to an actual city, such as your 94 reference to Normandy, or is that an approximation or more of a reference to your "24 Genetics" results? Did you find the investment in 24-Gen worth it? Do they only return something similar to the example report they show on their site? Also curious about benefits of a Y test, even though I have a fairly solid track of fathers-father going back to early 1600s. Has anyone else on the thread compared results with AncestryDNA? Thank you.

big_guitar
09-04-18, 17:48
The map works best for people with ancestors all from the same place. People who are a mix of various locations will get a result of some type of mixture in between. My Wallonia Belgian and French Canadian ancestors are close enough in location to make Northern France a reasonable model for my ancestry.

My UK and Swiss friend gets his highest scores in Belgium. My UK and Southern Italian wife gets her highest scores in Switzerland. Both are a compromise in between even though neither of them have recent ancestors from those areas.

On a side note my highest score of 94 was in Normandy, France and my highest admixture percentage with 24 Genetics was in Normandy as well. I wonder if they are doing some sort of similar analysis with their algorithm.
Had some issue posting previously, hope this does not end up like a duplicate.
Is there some legend for linking the k36-map squares to cities? Do you consider your 24-Gen investment worth it for what they provided? Anyone else on this thread use ancestrydna and compared to k36 also?

I believe part of the problem is that Ancestry seems to bleed their bundled groupings, as they include the North Atlantic in it's Great Britain bundle, including Belgium and the Netherlands... but those areas are also under their Western Europe grouping... And then a big chunk of their Iberian Peninsula bleeds into their Western Europe grouping, which includes a huge portion of Southern France... So with all the group bleeding, it's hard to determine where the more concentrated areas would be likely... Certainly other tests with larger sampling sizes should provide better results than Ancestry yields.

mwauthy
10-04-18, 14:32
Had some issue posting previously, hope this does not end up like a duplicate.
Is there some legend for linking the k36-map squares to cities? Do you consider your 24-Gen investment worth it for what they provided? Anyone else on this thread use ancestrydna and compared to k36 also?

I believe part of the problem is that Ancestry seems to bleed their bundled groupings, as they include the North Atlantic in it's Great Britain bundle, including Belgium and the Netherlands... but those areas are also under their Western Europe grouping... And then a big chunk of their Iberian Peninsula bleeds into their Western Europe grouping, which includes a huge portion of Southern France... So with all the group bleeding, it's hard to determine where the more concentrated areas would be likely... Certainly other tests with larger sampling sizes should provide better results than Ancestry yields.

I never saw a k36 map linked to cities.

After taking 11 admixture tests I would say there is no test that is the “best” or can tell you for sure with percentages where your ancestors are from. This is due to many snps being found in multiple regions. However, if you analyze your results with broad generalizations there is something to be learned from each test and patterns will emerge.

Ancestry did assign me to “Saint Lawrence River French Settlers” where my mom is from and 23andMe did give me two dots for Belgium where my father is from. FTDNA gave me the highest admixture percentage of 90% for West and Central Europe. 24 Genetics gave me a large percentage for Normandy where many French Canadians came from.

I enjoyed the 24 Genetics test because of the large number of regions including several for France. It is a bit pricey for a transfer at 49 Euros or $60. However, I felt it was worth it.

Jmichalak
11-04-18, 22:04
how do you get these types of results from eurogenes?

mwauthy
11-04-18, 23:52
how do you get these types of results from eurogenes?

On page 1 of this thread there is a link for you to click on. Type your Gedmatch Eurogenes k36 numbers into the spaces provided and then submit. Underneath the submit button will be your map. It’s only useful if most of your ancestors are from the same region in Europe.

Aspar
06-05-18, 23:50
https://s31.postimg.cc/unfmzcbmz/K36-_Similarity_Map.png (https://postimg.cc/image/4f4i9yrjb/)

50cal
04-10-18, 20:48
10441
A pretty remarkable map, considering I live in Riga.

Xisco
07-12-18, 20:50
My results of the Eurogenes K36 Map.

10553

italouruguayan
30-12-18, 00:30
I made a post a while ago, but I could not add the maps.
This tool proved to be very suitable for my case: I am Uruguayan ( the highest percentage of affinity is shown in Argentina, near to the Uruguayan border) and my paternal grandfather was born in Veneto.1059210593

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Gash
05-03-19, 17:44
These are mine, highest similarity with Balkan countries and Italy

https://i.imgur.com/KpPVhHB.png

Joey37
31-03-19, 23:15
10854 . As you can see, I am most similar to populations in the Celto-Germanic contact zone, well, that existed before Romanization, that is.

Pan
01-04-19, 03:52
Here's mine:

https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-gSTkObbLb_6srFcUMeVmfSyXZ47KoOqzNfNBTdg_2Jvs57IzCY xwd8KWao3oKBY6BmBxuc2UTjmHlmQVvjcwMQ/messages/@.id==ACHW_Ip0jRyhXKF3iQ8jAAK9MpY/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin&downloadWhenThumbnailFails=true&pid=2

Carlos
01-04-19, 15:51
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m58DxVGM0tE/XGvYdpP9QrI/AAAAAAAAADE/SOeWn7LoSPUlW8VeRdUTb8RSppGzGBJmwCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm.png

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-wQLbMiK7vZY/XGvYvRiEO7I/AAAAAAAAADM/Tc2zaX4-q8gqWbiX_c5WhQow1LU9N4TowCLcBGAs/s1600/gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr_ADN_similitude.htm%2B%25281%2529.png

Salento
02-04-19, 01:59
Mixed RawData

http://i.imgur.com/dg9DFqc.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/s8PVnt7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/jLBVUMf.jpg

Salento
02-04-19, 02:39
Single RawData

http://i.imgur.com/dNi4lqX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/mH5r2qY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zyYoXeT.jpg

Duarte
25-05-19, 17:14
https://i.imgur.com/ZLmeiyx.png
https://i.imgur.com/k9rheKt.png
https://i.imgur.com/PS4qzFy.png
https://i.imgur.com/klpRV3Q.png
https://i.imgur.com/rUTx8Wz.png
https://i.imgur.com/m54GvG1.png

Stuvanè
25-05-19, 20:56
My K36 ancient

Component %
Italian 22,7%
Iberian 16,5%
French 7,38%
East_Med 7,3%
Armenian 6,21%
Central_Euro 5,32%
West_Med 5,1%
East_Balkan 4,41%
Near_Eastern 4,19%
North_Sea 4,12%
East_Central_Euro 3,62%
North_Atlantic 2,85%
West_Caucasian 2,59%
Basque 2,55%
Arabian 2,11%
Eastern_Euro 0,98%
Fennoscandian 0,94%
North_African 0,68%
North_Caucasian 0,46%


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 128950 ms
1 59,18% CL94_Iberian + 40,82% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6,794
2 50,98% SZ36_northItalian + 49,02% SZ28_northItalian @ 7,107
3 50,20% SZ28_northItalian + 49,80% SZ36_northItalian @ 7,112
4 56,05% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 43,95% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7,328
5 56,84% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 43,16% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent @ 7,408
6 59,18% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 40,82% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 @ 7,431
7 50,20% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 49,80% CL94_Iberian @ 7,569
8 54,49% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 45,51% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 7,582
9 50,20% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 49,80% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7,695
10 50,20% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 49,80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7,890
11 50,20% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 + 49,80% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 8,015
12 83,40% CL36_northItalian + 16,60% I10851_medieval_Catalonia @ 8,020
13 51,37% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 48,63% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 8,305
14 50,20% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 49,80% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent @ 8,333
15 50,20% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 + 49,80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,359
16 70,12% CL36_northItalian + 29,88% CL23_northItalian @ 8,401
17 84,57% CL36_northItalian + 15,43% BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi @ 8,468
18 54,10% CL121__northItalian + 45,90% CL23_northItalian @ 8,481
19 61,91% CL36_northItalian + 38,09% SZ36_northItalian @ 8,497
20 50,20% CL23_northItalian + 49,80% CL121__northItalian @ 8,534
21 53,32% SZ45_Pannonian + 46,68% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,553
22 54,10% SZ28_northItalian + 45,90% CL121__northItalian @ 8,574
23 58,40% SZ28_northItalian + 41,60% CL23_northItalian @ 8,574
24 88,09% CL36_northItalian + 11,91% BA_Hungary_RISE254 @ 8,598
25 50,20% CL121__northItalian + 49,80% SZ28_northItalian @ 8,613
26 50,20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49,80% SZ45_Pannonian @ 8,623
27 86,13% CL36_northItalian + 13,87% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 8,629
28 50,20% SZ36_northItalian + 49,80% CL36_northItalian @ 8,647
29 56,84% CL23_northItalian + 43,16% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,671
30 89,26% CL36_northItalian + 10,74% MBA_Armenia_RISE413 @ 8,688
31 87,70% CL36_northItalian + 12,30% N_Levant_AinGhazal4 @ 8,700
32 62,30% CL121__northItalian + 37,70% BA_Hungary_BR2 @ 8,701
33 50,20% CL23_northItalian + 49,80% SZ28_northItalian @ 8,749
34 58,40% SZ28_northItalian + 41,60% SZ32_northItalian @ 8,790
35 89,65% CL36_northItalian + 10,35% I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE @ 8,795
36 56,05% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 + 43,95% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,800
37 66,21% SZ36_northItalian + 33,79% CL47_Alpine @ 8,848
38 53,71% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 46,29% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 8,854
39 62,30% SZ36_northItalian + 37,70% SZ18_Pannonian @ 8,855
40 62,70% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 37,30% CHL_Armenia_I1632 @ 8,859


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL36_northItalian @ 9,872
2 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 11,794
3 100% SZ28_northItalian @ 12,130
4 100% CL121__northItalian @ 13,288
5 100% SZ43_northItalian @ 14,163
6 100% SZ32_northItalian @ 14,635
7 100% CL23_northItalian @ 14,729
8 100% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 @ 15,088
9 100% SZ18_Pannonian @ 15,584
10 100% CL57_northItalian @ 15,683
New populations: 109


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% SZ28_northItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 7,110
2 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL94_Iberian @ 7,538
3 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7,672
4 50% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7,865
5 50% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 50% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 7,981
6 50% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8,323
7 50% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 50% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent @ 8,326
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL23_northItalian @ 8,530
9 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ28_northItalian @ 8,610
10 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 50% SZ45_Pannonian @ 8,616


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% SZ18_Pannonian @ 5,435
2 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% SZ18_Pannonian @ 5,546
3 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% SZ28_northItalian @ 5,818
4 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 33% SZ18_Pannonian + 33% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 5,990
5 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6,149
6 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6,188
7 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% CL94_Iberian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 6,223
8 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL23_northItalian + 33% SZ28_northItalian @ 6,258
9 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 33% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 @ 6,264
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% SZ28_northItalian + 33% SZ36_northItalian @ 6,296


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 4,880
2 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL63_Alpine + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 4,929
3 25% CL23_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% MA2197_Anatolia_IA + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 4,997
4 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 5,056
5 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 @ 5,063
6 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 25% IA_Britainr_York_6DRIF22 @ 5,077
7 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ28_northItalian @ 5,145
8 25% CL23_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% I10851_medieval_Catalonia + 25% MA2197_Anatolia_IA @ 5,220
9 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ28_northItalian @ 5,228
10 25% CL23_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian @ 5,300

Joey37
25-05-19, 21:22
11102Okay I took a screenshot