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Coriolan
22-06-17, 05:07
The geeks are inherent at birth: older men have geekier sons, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/20/older-men-fathers-geekier-sons-study-geek-index?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Eupedia_Forum

"Older men tend to have “geekier” sons who are more aloof, have higher IQs and a more intense focus on their interests than those born to younger fathers, researchers claim.

The finding, which emerged from a study of nearly 8,000 British twins, suggests that having an older father may benefit children and boost their performance in technical subjects at secondary school.

Researchers in the UK and the US analysed questionnaires from 7,781 British twins and scored them according to their non-verbal IQ at 12 years old, as well as parental reports on how focused and socially aloof they were. The scientists then combined these scores into an overall “geek index”.

Magdalena Janecka at King’s College London said the project came about after she and her colleagues had brainstormed what traits and skills helped people to succeed in the modern age. “If you look at who does well in life right now, it’s geeks,” she said.

Drawing on the twins’ records, the scientists found that children born to older fathers tended to score slightly higher on the geek index. For a father aged 25 or younger, the average score of the children was 39.6. That figure rose to 41 in children with fathers aged 35 to 44, and to 47 for those with fathers aged over 50.

The effect was strongest in boys, where the geek index rose by about 1.5 points for every extra five years of paternal age. The age of the children’s mothers seemed to have almost no effect on the geek index."



It's not always true. I am geeky by any standard and my dad was 25 when I was born.

davef
22-06-17, 07:00
The geeks are inherent at birth: older men have geekier sons, study finds

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/20/older-men-fathers-geekier-sons-study-geek-index?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Eupedia_Forum

"Older men tend to have “geekier” sons who are more aloof, have higher IQs and a more intense focus on their interests than those born to younger fathers, researchers claim.

The finding, which emerged from a study of nearly 8,000 British twins, suggests that having an older father may benefit children and boost their performance in technical subjects at secondary school.

Researchers in the UK and the US analysed questionnaires from 7,781 British twins and scored them according to their non-verbal IQ at 12 years old, as well as parental reports on how focused and socially aloof they were. The scientists then combined these scores into an overall “geek index”.

Magdalena Janecka at King’s College London said the project came about after she and her colleagues had brainstormed what traits and skills helped people to succeed in the modern age. “If you look at who does well in life right now, it’s geeks,” she said.

Drawing on the twins’ records, the scientists found that children born to older fathers tended to score slightly higher on the geek index. For a father aged 25 or younger, the average score of the children was 39.6. That figure rose to 41 in children with fathers aged 35 to 44, and to 47 for those with fathers aged over 50.

The effect was strongest in boys, where the geek index rose by about 1.5 points for every extra five years of paternal age. The age of the children’s mothers seemed to have almost no effect on the geek index."



It's not always true. I am geeky by any standard and my dad was 25 when I was born.

My dad was 38 when I was born and I love programming and math (besides statistics-booring!).

But seriously...I don't fully understand why I can excel in those two disciplines (as well as tough puzzle solving).

Take this from me and ponder it for a while...after enough time I've realized the following:

the brain doesn't make much sense.

Yetos
22-06-17, 08:41
my father was 36 when made me,

and I manage to have a diploma on engineering
and also had my times for search.

my first daughter never liked science enough,
my second daughter when I was older is like me when I was young,
she plays high maths/physics like Messi plays with ball.
I do not know how she will react with veryhigh and speliazid maths like Gray's

so I do not know how the age effects,
if that was a law, then the first should always be smarter and the last a very geek,

Alan
22-06-17, 17:36
Similar tendency in our family.

Odysseus
23-06-17, 09:27
Trump was 60 years old when he had his son Barron Trump I guess that kid will probably become a genius or something.

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Expredel
23-06-17, 20:17
Men with high IQ delay parenthood. Weird how confused these researchers are about something that was already known.

Angela
23-06-17, 20:26
Older fathers also produce children with a higher percentage of defects. Think about it: dna breaks down and accumulates mutations with aging, and that includes the dna in spermatozoa.

We have a thread on it:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32111-Children-of-Older-Fathers-Less-Fit?highlight=older+fathers

Any woman who is going to have a child with an older man should be aware of it and get all the pre-natal testing possible.

Aaron1981
23-06-17, 20:51
Older fathers also produce children with a higher percentage of defects. Think about it: dna breaks down and accumulates mutations with aging, and that includes the dna in spermatozoa.

We have a thread on it:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32111-Children-of-Older-Fathers-Less-Fit?highlight=older+fathers

Any woman who is going to have a child with an older man should be aware of it and get all the pre-natal testing possible.

Any woman? Perhaps the woman should be young too. Older parents - both sexes, will product more defects.

Perhaps an older father who is mature and settled will rear his children better and set a better example, over that young buck who isn't exactly ready for parenthood.

Angela
23-06-17, 21:15
Any woman? Perhaps the woman should be young too. Older parents - both sexes, will product more defects.

Perhaps an older father who is mature and settled will rear his children better and set a better example, over that young buck who isn't exactly ready for parenthood.

Of course mutations accumulate in both sexes: old eggs are not optimum. However, how many 50 and 60 year old women do you know who can conceive? It does all end for us eventually, thank God. In fact by 35 most women have difficulty conceiving and have to get hormones or other assistance from a fertility doctor.

More maturity is of course better, especially if you have to deal with a child with down's syndrome or autism.

Why do men get so defensive when this comes up? Women don't. As a professional woman most of my friends are also professional women, and so having children had to be put off for all of us usually, until the late 20s and or 30 for a first child for most, never mind the second and third. We were all aware and accepted not only that fertility decreases with age but also that the chances of our children having defects also increased with age, and accordingly worried about it and all got testing during the pregnancy. It's just reality.

Any 25 year old woman considering marrying a man of 50 should definitely think about this. In addition to a greater probability the children will be less fit, the fertility decreases for older men as well, not to mention performance. I read somewhere recently that the best sexual match is an older woman/younger man. I think they probably mean something like 30 year old woman, 20 year old man or something like that. Who knows, maybe they're right. Other things may definitely be more important, of course, and for a good many women sex isn't the first priority. It depends on the woman, I suppose.

João Soares
23-06-17, 22:34
Not wanting to be accused of "Aristotleist" or something (although he is a reference to me), here's what Aristotle himself wrote about the subject:

"Since the time of generation is commonly limited within the age of seventy years in the case of a man, and of fifty in the case of a woman, the commencement of the union should conform to these periods. The union of male and female when too young is bad for the procreation of children; in all other animals the offspring of the young are small and in-developed, and with a tendency to produce female children, and therefore also in man, as is proved by the fact that in those cities in which men and women are accustomed to marry young, the people are small and weak; in childbirth also younger women suffer more, and more of them die; some persons say that this was the meaning of the response once given to the Troezenians- the oracle really meant that many died because they married too young; it had nothing to do with the ingathering of the harvest. It also conduces to temperance not to marry too soon; for women who marry early are apt to be wanton; and in men too the bodily frame is stunted if they marry while the seed is growing (for there is a time when the growth of the seed, also, ceases, or continues to but a slight extent). Women should marry when they are about eighteen years of age, and men at seven and thirty [thirty-seven];​"

Angela
23-06-17, 22:51
Great...now we're going to take advice on the right ages for procreation from someone born before we knew anything about genetics. :)

Of course, I'm sure there were advantages then for a middle-aged man in marrying a virginal girl straight out of virtual "purdah". What comparisons could she possibly draw? Nowadays, she might know more than he does!

João Soares
23-06-17, 23:01
Great...now we're going to take advice on the right ages for procreation from someone born before we knew anything about genetics. :)

Of course, I'm sure there were advantages then for a middle-aged man in marrying a virginal girl straight out of virtual "purdah". What comparisons could she possibly draw? Nowadays, she might know more than he does!

Still, he's argument was based on observation, while yours was partially based on God, even if joking:


It does all end for us eventually, thank God.

But I guess this is you just being defensive.

And, please, avoid speculations in your arguments...


What comparisons could she possibly draw? Nowadays, she might know more than he does!

Angela
23-06-17, 23:20
You didn't understand what I said. Perhaps it's a language problem.

For one thing, "Thank-God" is a figure of speech in English. Do people who say the Portuguese version of that necessarily believe in God? Could you be any more literal?

Second of all, I was "giving thanks" that past a certain age women don't have to worry about conceiving again. Perhaps I should spell it out for you since you're not following me: at a certain age, anywhere from late 30s to late 40s women stop menstruating, and enter menopause, and therefore can no longer conceive. So, good-bye monthly inconvenience, pain and paraphernalia, good-bye birth control. Hooray! Get it now? It's liberating for most women not to have to worry about all of that or unwanted conception ever again.

Third of all how could I be defensive about it when I already said that I did push back child-rearing but was well aware that it might mean it would be more difficult to conceive and there would be more chance both of complications and birth defects. Accordingly, like any rational, realistic person I was tested during pregnancy. It was a risk of which I was aware, but I wanted those advanced degrees. Being 20 and pregnant was not something I would ever have wanted under any circumstances. Good grief! It was the late 20th century.

Sorry, but in addition to trouble understanding me, I think your logic switch is off today.

As for the sexual behavior of young girls today, if you doubt what I said things must be very different in Portugal than they are in the U.S. , the Anglo countries, and northern Europe. That opinion, btw, is based not only on personal observation but a multitude of studies.

If you don't believe that modern science, including genetics, trumps the "observations" of people living more than 2000 years ago, then you're on the wrong site.

Ed. Honestly, on many occasions I feel as if I am explaining women to men who have never met any! :)

João Soares
23-06-17, 23:25
If you don't believe that modern science trumps the "observations" of people living more than 2000 years ago, then you're on the wrong site.

Maybe I am then, if that's what this site is all about.

That's a ridiculous statement though.

Angela
23-06-17, 23:30
My dear Joao, more than half the site is about genetics, or archaeology or science of some sort. Didn't you notice?

I personally find a lot of the other sections just as interesting, but if it's a scientific subject, shouldn't I be giving more credence to modern scientists?

I meant nothing offensive about what I said, I assure you. I wish you participated more.

Now it's I who isn't understanding you.

João Soares
23-06-17, 23:36
I already said what I wanted to say.

Yetos
24-06-17, 00:51
τελομεραση telomere,
is not given neither by father,
neither by mother,

IQ genes if exist, surely pass after statistical law, that does not exclude second or third etc kid,


some standard geek DNA are given either by one parent 50-50 , either by both,
either by a certain one, like case of Down syndrom,

yes after 35 a mother and 50-55 a father it is known that statistically the danger increases,


AND I ASK.

IF THE WORK WAS CORRECT,
then each child must be smarter than the next
and every next must be dumper than previous,
DO YOU BELIEVE SO?

our grandmothers made 4-7 kids, before modern Capitalism destroy their way of life.
they always gave responsibilities to 1rst born,
but for other reasons, especially not for the reason next kids are more geeks

Angela
24-06-17, 01:29
τελομεραση telomere,
is not given neither by father,
neither by mother,

IQ genes if exist, surely pass after statistical law, that does exclude second or third etc kid,


some standard geek DNA are given either by one parent 50-50 , either by both,
either by a certain one, like case of Down syndrom,

yes after 35 a mother and 50-55 a father it is known that statistically the danger increases,


AND I ASK.

IF THE WORK WAS CORRECT,
then each child must be smarter than the next
and every next must be dumper than previous,
DO YOU BELIEVE SO?

our grandmothers made 4-7 kids, before modern Capitalism destroy their way of life.
they always gave responsibilities to 1rst born,
but for other reasons, especially not for the reason next kids are more geeks

No, I don't believe it's age itself. I think, as someone suggested, what we might be seeing is that older parents are more intelligent because they're the ones getting more education and so they're older when they have children.

My grandmother had 11 children. She was 19 and my grandfather 27 when their first child was born. She had a child about every two years. The last one was the "change of life" surprise baby. They were all pretty intelligent, but the first three and then the 8th and ninth were in a different category: extremely gifted. I think it was just statistical chance in her case.

In my mother's family they were more "modern" and had only three, and the two oldest were more gifted.

So, at least in my family it didn't fit the pattern the paper is suggesting.

Alan
25-06-17, 03:04
Men with high IQ delay parenthood. Weird how confused these researchers are about something that was already known.

Correct I was thinking the same but didn't comment on it.

A factor of course is that people of higher status (not neccessary higher IQ) have children at older age. However that doesn't explain the same tendency in many families who do not have parents of higher education.

Alan
25-06-17, 03:05
Older fathers also produce children with a higher percentage of defects. Think about it: dna breaks down and accumulates mutations with aging, and that includes the dna in spermatozoa.

We have a thread on it:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/32111-Children-of-Older-Fathers-Less-Fit?highlight=older+fathers

Any woman who is going to have a child with an older man should be aware of it and get all the pre-natal testing possible.

But what is old. Is a parent around his 40s considered old?

Yetos
25-06-17, 15:35
But what is old. Is a parent around his 40s considered old?

that is a good question, indeed,

and is different among people of the same race.

generally as ruler in my area we consider the life = 72 years and dived it to 8 years 16 and 24 years periods

so first 24 years are young, secondary 24 are adult, and third 24 are 'old' ages, young till 24 adult 48 mature old above
you can also use the ruler of 16 for memory and growth,
first 16 years you have memory high working, and your body grows,
second 16 you body is stable, third 16 your body start change and memory start to fade, but not in way to damage your health or mind so 16 and then 48

also the way of thinking and ability to do your thoughs action or thing, in Greek the word κρισις, crisis, something I can judge, I can thing correct, I can choose what is good healthy etc
first 8 years are the innocent, second 8 are the first years of learning to think correct, that change at 32 again and then at 56,
56 generally is considered the age of old,

that is my personal believes also ,
48-56 years old is the change, from full grown adult to an old, mature man
16-24 is the age of possible body mature but not full mature in mind, has much enthusiasmos
that is why olders and old laws consider the age of 21 as the correct age to start businness and have property
later due to womens 'suden' maturiry, (in some areas from 11-13 years old and in North can reach 19 years old), they drop it to 18 years old,
so by the law in Europe you are a full responsible, and a full adult at age of 18.

a full athlete is at maximum at ages among 21 to 27 (24 +-3)
but there are exceptions and also skills so can someone be from 17 to 35,

so personally I consider age above 48 as old with the period from 48-56 as passage, for a man.
while in a woman that is around 36-44 but only in case of 'multiply' (mature) , but same i48-54 in matter of abilities, work, memory and judgement.

above 64 8*8 is the start think to retire age,
Don't you think so?

Angela
25-06-17, 17:39
I didn't notice there's a whole Wiki article on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect

It contains this bit of hyperbole:

"The genetic quality of sperm, as well as its volume and motility, all may decrease with age,[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-About.com_article_by_R._Gurevich-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-5) leading the population geneticist James F. Crow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_F._Crow) to claim that the "greatest mutational health hazard to the human genome is fertile older males".[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Crow_8380.E2.80.938386-6)"

I think Yetos may be onto something:

"Several studies have reported that advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk of miscarriage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage).[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-abbas2015-15) The strength of the association differs between studies.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-sharma2015-16) It has been suggested that these miscarriages are caused by chromosome abnormalities (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_abnormalities) in the sperm of aging men.[15] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-abbas2015-15) An increased risk for stillbirth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stillbirth) has also been suggested for pregnancies fathered by men over 45.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-sharma2015-16)"

"Some studies examining autism spectrum disorder (ASD) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum) and advanced paternal age have demonstrated an association between the two, although there also appears to be an increase with maternal age.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Kolevzon-2007-21)In one study the risk of bipolar disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder), particularly for early-onset disease, is J-shaped, with the lowest risk for children of 20- to 24-year-old fathers, a twofold risk for younger fathers, and a threefold risk for fathers >50 years old. There is no similar relationship with maternal age.[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Frans_2008-22)
A 2017 review concluded that the vast majority of studies supported a relationship between paternal age and autism and schizophrenia, but that there is less convincing and also inconsistent evidence for associations with other psychiatric illnesses.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Ur2017-3)"

"It appears that a paternal-age effect might exist with respect to Down syndrome, but is very small in comparison to the maternal-age effect.[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Girirajan-2009-28)[29] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-29)"

"In 2012 a study showed that greater age at paternity tends to increase telomere length in offspring for up to two generations. Since telomere length has effects on health and mortality, this may have effects on health and the rate of aging in these offspring. The authors speculated that this effect may provide a mechanism by which populations have some plasticity in adapting longevity to different social and ecological contexts.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Eisenberg-40)"

In terms of intellect, the jury is out, I think:

"A review 2005 found a U-shaped relationship between paternal age and low intelligence quotients (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient) (IQs).[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Malaspina-2005-30) The highest IQ was found at paternal ages of 25-44; fathers younger than 25 and older than 44 tended to have children with lower IQs.[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Malaspina-2005-30) Malaspina et al. also reviewed the literature and found that "at least a half dozen other studies ... have demonstrated significant associations between paternal age and human intelligence."[30] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Malaspina-2005-30)
A 2009 study examined children at 8 months, 4 years, and 7 years and found that paternal age was associated with poorer scores in almost all neurocognitive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurocognitive) tests used, but that maternal age was associated with better scores on the same tests.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Saha-2009-31) An editorial accompanying the paper emphasized the importance of controlling for socioeconomic status (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status) in studies of paternal age and intelligence.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Cannon-2009-32)A 2010 paper from Spain provided further evidence that average paternal age is elevated in cases of intellectual disability.[33] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-Lopez-Castroman-2010-33)
Later research concluded that previously reported negative associations might be explained by confounding factors, especially parental intelligence and education. A re-analysis of the 2009 study found that the paternal age effect could be explained by adjusting for maternal education and number of siblings.[34] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-34) A study of 0.5 million Swedish men adjusted for genetic confounding by comparing brothers and found no association between paternal age and offspring IQ.[35] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-35) Another study found a positive association between paternal age and offspring IQ that could be explained by adjusting for parental IQs.[36] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#cite_note-36)"

Tomenable
28-06-17, 23:59
I read somewhere recently that the best sexual match is an older woman/younger man. I think they probably mean something like 30 year old woman, 20 year old man or something like that. Who knows, maybe they're right.

Most likely some spinster who spent her 20s on being a misandrist feminist or/and on being slutty wrote that. There is a lot of feminist propaganda saying that young men should be into fat, older, etc. women. Here is a good example:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/couples-bathing-suit-photo-is-going-viral-for-an-inspiring-reason_us_5936f257e4b0099e7fafdd7c

I'm waiting for a similar article about a young female model dating a fat old poor guy with great personality, and how their photo "is going viral for an inspiring reason". I guess it won't be published. It is true that there are men who like or don't mind older, fat, etc. women. But they are not in majority:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxHIftZVfrQ

Angela
29-06-17, 01:30
I take it you never watched "The Graduate"? I think that was a biggie with a lot of young men. :) Both the film and the song are iconic.

Movie:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3lKbMBab18

Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wpsKzL688g



Maybe you should ask President Macron of France what drew him to his wife.

http://cdn-01.independent.ie/incoming/article35648116.ece/23541/AUTOCROP/w620/GettyImages-514667738.jpg

I find it icky, myself, as she was his secondary school teacher, and they began their relationship when he was barely beyond the age of consent.

Of course, there's a long tradition of this kind of relationship in France: the older, sexually mature woman initiating the young man. I guess that didn't get over to the depths of Poland/Lithuania.

It went on at the highest levels of society: Henry II and Madame de Poitiers, the divine Diane. She was his elder by 20 years, but famously beautiful into her 50s. They remained lovers for 25 years, even though he married Catherine de Medici, staying together until the moment of his death in a jousting accident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_de_Poitiers

One has to feel sorry for Catherine. Henry put Diane in charge of her household and her children, and every available inch of all the royal dwellings and accouterments were embellished with an H and a D, for Henri and Diane.

I think she's quite beautiful:
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/CP9P94/diana-fountain-from-castle-of-anet-eure-et-loir-home-of-diane-de-poitiers-CP9P94.jpg

http://media.paperblog.fr/i/766/7668654/toilette-naissance-lintime-L-oJmtH2.jpeg

The crescent head piece was for Diana, Goddess of the hunt. They loved conceits like this.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/aa/52/62aa521ce3e0191302a46fe8851a9f94.jpg

These relationships have a long history in mythology as well, as for example, Aphrodite and Adonis.

Legend has it that Aphrodite was strolling through a forest when she came upon an infant sleeping beneath a tree. She and Persephone shared the responsibility of raising the baby, named Adonis. When he grew into an incredibly handsome young man, his two maternal figures fought for his affections. He chose Aphrodite.

I just learned that Hugh Jackman's wife is twelve years his senior. I think they've been married for more than 20 years. Nowadays they look more matched, but I have to say that the younger pictures make me a little queasy. Still, if the various surveys about male fantasies are correct, this seems to be a popular one.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/23/02/2DA9E37900000578-3285670-image-m-13_1445565233322.jpg

It helps when formulating opinions if one has some knowledge of world history and isn't hampered by trying to fit all societal phenomenon into one's political agenda.

Also, why would you think all older women are fat? It very much depends on the country and social class etc. Again, some travel might broaden your horizons.

For example, Monica Bellucci is in her 50s in this picture. Even if she's a bit fuller, she's held up damn well, and she's not all that unusual among the women I know. It's a combination of genes and self-respect.

http://www.italymagazine.com/sites/default/files/feature-story/gallery/monicaredcarpet.jpg

Likewise, why do you think all men are thin, even young men? All I know is that when I go to high school reunions the women look great and most of the men look absolutely awful. What a great escape! :)

Tomenable
29-06-17, 12:44
Maybe you should ask President Macron of France what drew him to his wife.

School! :)

I wonder what would you say about a similar situation involving a 16-17 girl and her 40+ male teacher.

Angela
29-06-17, 20:01
School! :)

I wonder what would you say about a similar situation involving a 16-17 girl and her 40+ male teacher.

Well, I have to admit that it would bother me less than a 40 year old woman teacher with a 17 year old boy. The law wouldn't make a distinction in the U.S. if the adolescent hadn't reached the age of legal consent, and of course the teacher would be fired, but I'm giving a personal reaction here.

Maybe it's because it's more common for a man to be 20 years older than his mate? Maybe it's more that I try to imagine myself in that situation, and it's, well...icky :) Maybe I expect more from women? Maybe it's because I couldn't ever imagine wanting to be with a seventeen year old boy. I've wondered how men don't feel rather, I don't know, incestuous, being with a girl the same age as their daughter. Of course, as people age, the "ick" factor lessens. If a thirty-five year old man and a fifty year old woman want to have a relationship, that's fine with me. More power to her.

Ed. Great, now I have an online dating site for people over 40 showing up in the ads! Thanks a lot Tomenablel!

Diomedes
07-07-17, 19:51
One would have expected that the older the father the weaker the DNA. Could it be that those who marry at an older age select "better" women? For example, women with better genetic pool. I hope this study took into consideration a father's income and all that this could indicate.

Snow
18-11-18, 05:11
My father was 40 (mum 35). If you told me my brother was an aloof geek I'd laugh at you. And then I would point to the guy in the middle of the crowd, having people eating out of his hand they so hang onto his word, and tell you not only does he have a dangerous job no geek would dream of partaking in but he also played football in the minors. Only thing this "study" would have right is he's smart.

AnnLee21
01-03-19, 10:40
A similar tendency in our family too, it is evident that elder people attract young ones.