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Lukas
27-07-17, 23:15
Ancestry and demography and descendants of Iron Age nomads of the Eurasian Steppe
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14615


T265461 - Be9_I05622 Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE
M362842 - Be11_I0563,Berel’, Kazakhstan Pazyryk 4th–3rd c. BCE

M344946 - PR9_I0574, Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE
M084152 - PR3_I0575 , Pokrovka, Russia EarlySarmatian 5th–2nd c. BCE

M837055 - A17_I0576, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE
M446756 - A10_I0577, Arzhan, Russia AldyBel 7th–6th c. BCE

M456377 - Is2 Ismailovo, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE
T866391 - Ze6 Zevakino, Russia Zevakino-Chilikta 9th–7th c. BCE


I checked in K36 them. But in every calculator their "Altaic /Siberian" vibe could detected, except first two.

https://s11.postimg.org/5cmqcccoz/scysar.jpg

https://s4.postimg.org/u05fe40m5/Bez-nazwy-2.jpg

Carl Graham
28-07-17, 03:26
That's interesting !!! I compared myself , but I'm not really sure what I'm looking at , other than my elevated ( for a predominately British person ! ) Caucasian component , found in all Grahams on all calculates ( AFAIK ) .



Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.26
Basque 4.17
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.20
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.73
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.00
Fennoscandian 10.08
French 9.75
Iberian 12.76
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.70
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.34
North_Caucasian 5.68
North_Sea 16.58
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.60
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.16
West_Med

LeBrok
28-07-17, 07:07
I have few more to compare, but in HarappaWorld. The last is one of Sarmatians. Looks same as Scythian that I have, and sort of continuity from Yamnaya through Srubna and Andronovo till Iron Age of Scythian and Sarmatian. In last two we can see rise of Siberian admixture.



M828815
Rise552

M217196
I0430, R1a Z93
M608028
RISE505

M348213
i0247

M084152
PR3_I0575


Ulan iV, Yamnaya
4.5 kya

Srubna
3.5kya

Andronovo

scythian


EarlySarmatian, Pokrovka, Russia
5th–2nd c. BCE


Run time
9.08

Run time
8.02

Run time
13.24

Run time
11.07

Run time
5.84


S-Indian
-

S-Indian
-

S-Indian
0.54

S-Indian
0.67

S-Indian
-


Baloch
33.24

Baloch
19.86

Baloch
21.23

Baloch
24.99

Baloch
25.4


Caucasian
6.58

Caucasian
2.35

Caucasian
2.4

Caucasian
7.68

Caucasian
5.72


NE-Euro
56.02

NE-Euro
55.13

NE-Euro
56.39

NE-Euro
45.27

NE-Euro
50.53


SE-Asian
-

SE-Asian
-

SE-Asian
-

SE-Asian
0.83

SE-Asian
0.28


Siberian
-

Siberian
-

Siberian
1.93

Siberian
6.39

Siberian
4.24


NE-Asian
-

NE-Asian
-

NE-Asian
-

NE-Asian
1.31

NE-Asian
-


Papuan
-

Papuan
-

Papuan
-

Papuan
-

Papuan
-


American
2.46

American
0.91

American
1.05

American
2.85

American
1.94


Beringian
0.75

Beringian
-

Beringian
1.22

Beringian
1.4

Beringian
1.06


Mediterranean
-

Mediterranean
21.67

Mediterranean
14.37

Mediterranean
8.62

Mediterranean
10.81


SW-Asian
-

SW-Asian
-

SW-Asian
-

SW-Asian
-

SW-Asian
-


San
-

San
-

San
-

San
-

San
-


E-African
-

E-African
0.07

E-African
-

E-African
-

E-African
-


Pygmy
-

Pygmy
-

Pygmy
0.06

Pygmy
-

Pygmy
-


W-African
0.95

W-African
-

W-African
0.81

W-African
-

W-African
-

Lukas
28-07-17, 12:38
That's interesting !!! I compared myself , but I'm not really sure what I'm looking at , other than my elevated ( for a predominately British person ! ) Caucasian component , found in all Grahams on all calculates ( AFAIK ) .

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.26
Basque 4.17
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.20
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.73
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.00
Fennoscandian 10.08
French 9.75
Iberian 12.76
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 2.70
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.34
North_Caucasian 5.68
North_Sea 16.58
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.60
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.16
West_Med

I checked your values in unofficial oracle for K36 Eurogenes
You have some Caucasus etnicitities in mixed mode. Could be trace of CHG transferred through Yamna to North Western Europe?

Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Welsh @ 6,91155
2 Ireland @ 8,337804
3 British_mixed @ 8,609451
4 Orcadian @ 8,883971
5 Northern_Ireland @ 9,247013
6 Scotland @ 9,320777
7 NW-England @ 9,529453
8 SW-England @ 9,689605
9 NE-England @ 9,695335
10 England_Cumberland @ 10,346361
11 SE_England @ 11,737046
12 Denmark @ 12,158244
13 Norway @ 12,437227
14 North_Dutch @ 12,56785
15 FR_Bretagne @ 12,574429
16 Central_Dutch @ 12,586338
17 German_North @ 12,699511
18 Flemish @ 13,215622
19 South_Dutch @ 13,273408
20 France_NorthWest @ 14,111816
337 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Welsh+Welsh @ 6,91155
2 Ireland+Welsh @ 7,543955
3 British_mixed+Welsh @ 7,619918
4 Orcadian+Welsh @ 7,800768
5 NE-England+Welsh @ 7,867883
6 SW-England+Welsh @ 7,88341
7 NW-England+Welsh @ 7,893589
8 Scotland+Welsh @ 7,894091
9 Northern_Ireland+Welsh @ 7,926177
10 Ireland+British_mixed @ 8,225293
11 FR_Bretagne+Norway @ 8,240495
12 Norway+Welsh @ 8,269197
13 Ireland+Ireland @ 8,337804
14 England_Cumberland+Welsh @ 8,369665
15 Denmark+Welsh @ 8,382025
16 Ireland+NE-England @ 8,4393
17 Ireland+Scotland @ 8,49561
18 Ireland+Orcadian @ 8,497287
19 Ireland+NW-England @ 8,537153
20 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 8,549832
56953 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Welsh +25% Norway +25% Welsh @ 7,061353
2 50% Welsh +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 7,204662
3 50% Welsh +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Sweden_north @ 7,20502
4 50% Welsh +25% Denmark +25% Welsh @ 7,220074
5 50% Welsh +25% British_mixed +25% Welsh @ 7,224652
6 50% Welsh +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Norway @ 7,231842
7 50% Welsh +25% NE-England +25% Welsh @ 7,251987
8 50% Welsh +25% SW-England +25% Welsh @ 7,265578
9 50% Welsh +25% Ireland +25% Norway @ 7,284838
10 50% Welsh +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Norway_north @ 7,289472
11 50% Welsh +25% NW-England +25% Welsh @ 7,300262
12 50% Welsh +25% Norway +25% SW-England @ 7,306696
13 50% Welsh +25% Orcadian +25% Welsh @ 7,327137
14 50% Welsh +25% Scotland +25% Welsh @ 7,334266
15 50% Welsh +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh @ 7,371796
16 50% Welsh +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Norway @ 7,435216
17 50% Welsh +25% Ireland +25% Denmark @ 7,437317
18 50% Welsh +25% North_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 7,449347
19 50% Welsh +25% FR_Bretagne +25% Denmark @ 7,451993
20 50% Welsh +25% Denmark +25% SW-England @ 7,479038
13661050 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Welsh+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 6,91155
2 Norway+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,061353
3 Ireland+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,204662
4 FR_Bretagne+Sweden_north+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,20502
5 Denmark+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,220074
6 British_mixed+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,224652
7 FR_Bretagne+Norway+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,231842
8 NE-England+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,251987
9 SW-England+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,265578
10 Ireland+Norway+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,284838
11 FR_Bretagne+Norway_north+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,289472
12 NW-England+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,300262
13 Norway+SW-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,306696
14 Orcadian+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,327137
15 Scotland+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,334266
16 Northern_Ireland+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,371796
17 Northern_Ireland+Norway+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,435216
18 Ireland+Denmark+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,437317
19 FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Sweden_north+Welsh @ 7,439261
20 North_Dutch+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,449347
21 FR_Bretagne+Denmark+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,451993
22 Denmark+SW-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,479038
23 British_mixed+Norway+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,479058
24 Sweden_north+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,480127
25 FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Norway_north+Welsh @ 7,499758
26 Ireland+British_mixed+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,513046
27 Norway+NE-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,515166
28 Central_Dutch+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,517154
29 FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Sweden_north+Welsh @ 7,520105
30 FR_Bretagne+Ireland+Norway+Welsh @ 7,521557
31 Ireland+NE-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,53479
32 Ireland+Ireland+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,543955
33 England_Cumberland+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,554545
34 Ireland+Ireland+Norway+Welsh @ 7,559201
35 Ireland+Norway+SW-England+Welsh @ 7,575126
36 FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,583417
37 FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Norway_north+Welsh @ 7,589074
38 Ireland+SW-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,597027
39 Orcadian+Norway+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,598872
40 Ireland+NW-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 7,601945
230130906 iterations.


Gaussian method.



Using 1 population approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland @ 3,960145
2 Ireland @ 4,14867
3 Welsh @ 4,242844
4 South_Dutch @ 4,283613
5 British_mixed @ 4,601924
6 France_NorthEast @ 4,628446
7 NE-England @ 4,654201
8 Orcadian @ 4,779434
9 Scotland @ 4,80366
10 Flemish @ 5,030132
11 Central_Dutch @ 5,077794
12 German_West @ 5,085454
13 NW-England @ 5,122713
14 German_North @ 5,127605
15 Waloon @ 5,235217
16 England_Cumberland @ 5,435283
17 Swiss_German @ 5,490157
18 Austria_Tyrol @ 5,504243
19 SE_England @ 5,576744
20 South_Germany @ 5,617221
337 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland @ 3,960145
2 Northern_Ireland+Welsh @ 3,989753
3 South_Dutch+Welsh @ 4,021305
4 Northern_Ireland+Ireland @ 4,022542
5 South_Dutch+Northern_Ireland @ 4,094434
6 Northern_Ireland+NE-England @ 4,097794
7 South_Dutch+NE-England @ 4,108495
8 South_Dutch+Ireland @ 4,125099
9 Ireland+Ireland @ 4,14867
10 Ireland+Welsh @ 4,181361
11 Welsh+Welsh @ 4,242844
12 France_NorthEast+Welsh @ 4,249218
13 Northern_Ireland+British_mixed @ 4,256379
14 France_NorthEast+NE-England @ 4,258571
15 France_NorthEast+Northern_Ireland @ 4,278075
16 South_Dutch+South_Dutch @ 4,283613
17 Ireland+NE-England @ 4,288816
18 NE-England+Welsh @ 4,292649
19 Northern_Ireland+Orcadian @ 4,292927
20 German_North+Welsh @ 4,295638
56953 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dagestan +25% North_Dutch @ 3,911528
2 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dagestan +25% Denmark @ 3,950814
3 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dagestan +25% Sweden_north @ 3,955597
4 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh @ 3,955717
5 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland @ 3,986133
6 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 3,989753
7 50% Welsh +25% South_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 3,990149
8 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 3,991595
9 50% Welsh +25% South_Dutch +25% NE-England @ 3,994035
10 50% FR_Bretagne +25% North_Dagestan +25% NE-England @ 4,00394
11 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Welsh @ 4,006169
12 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England @ 4,007998
13 50% Welsh +25% South_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,010375
14 50% Northern_Ireland +25% NE-England +25% Welsh @ 4,013553
15 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Northern_Ireland @ 4,019147
16 50% South_Dutch +25% Welsh +25% Welsh @ 4,021305
17 50% Northern_Ireland +25% Ireland +25% Ireland @ 4,022542
18 50% South_Dutch +25% NE-England +25% Welsh @ 4,035108
19 50% NE-England +25% South_Dutch +25% Welsh @ 4,035785
20 50% Northern_Ireland +25% South_Dutch +25% Ireland @ 4,036194
14757375 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_Dagestan+SW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,873975
2 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+SW-England @ 3,892294
3 North_Dagestan+North_Dutch+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,900503
4 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+NE-England @ 3,904334
5 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch @ 3,911528
6 North_Dagestan+SW-England+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,9191
7 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,92794
8 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,931848
9 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+SW-England @ 3,933483
10 North_Dagestan+Denmark+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,934104
11 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+North_Dutch @ 3,939852
12 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+Welsh @ 3,942822
13 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,946918
14 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+Northern_Ir eland @ 3,950127
15 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Denmark+NE-England @ 3,950227
16 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+FR_Bretagne+Denmark @ 3,950814
17 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+FR_Bretagne+Sweden_nort h @ 3,955597
18 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Welsh @ 3,955717
19 North_Dagestan+SW-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,959375
20 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+NW-England @ 3,960121
21 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Northern_Ireland @ 3,960145
22 North_Dagestan+North_Dutch+SW-England+NE-England @ 3,961326
23 North_Dagestan+NE-England+Welsh+Welsh @ 3,962205
24 North_Dagestan+Northern_Ireland+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,96237
25 North_Dagestan+NE-England+NE-England+Welsh @ 3,963277
26 North_Dagestan+NW-England+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,96491
27 North_Dagestan+SW-England+SW-England+Welsh @ 3,970796
28 North_Dagestan+Welsh+Welsh+Welsh @ 3,971337
29 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+NE-England+Welsh @ 3,973172
30 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+NW-England+NE-England @ 3,975474
31 North_Dagestan+NE-England+NE-England+NE-England @ 3,979685
32 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+Ireland @ 3,981073
33 North_Dagestan+SW-England+NE-England+Welsh @ 3,981346
34 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+Northern_Ireland+Denmar k @ 3,981885
35 North_Dagestan+FR_Bretagne+North_Dutch+Denmark @ 3,98202
36 North_Dagestan+North_Dutch+NE-England+Welsh @ 3,984134
37 North_Dagestan+North_Dutch+Welsh+Welsh @ 3,984334
38 North_Dagestan+Ireland+SW-England+SW-England @ 3,984953
39 North_Dagestan+North_Dutch+SW-England+Welsh @ 3,986079
40 Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland+Northern_Ireland +Ireland @ 3,986133
467951218 iterations.

Carl Graham
29-07-17, 07:24
"You have some Caucasus etnicitities in mixed mode. Could be trace of CHG transferred through Yamna to North Western Europe?"

Could be , but since Graham values are so much higher than other British ( and general Utahn white) Caucasian values , and not just in K36 but all other calculators using Caucasian values I've checked (Harappa World , Dodecad , etc.) , I'm sort of thinking maybe later arrivals like Sarmatians or Alans.

Speaking of Harrapa world I ran the 2 Sarmatian samples through it and came up with about 3 or 4 % Siberian on both of them.

JajarBingan
08-08-17, 22:07
I checked in K36 them. But in every calculator their "Altaic /Siberian" vibe could detected, except first two.



For the 1st two, some of the Altaic/Siberian-like admixture seems to have have slipped into the South Central Asian component.