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Maciamo
26-10-17, 08:45
I am excited to announce that Eupedia is teaming up with Living DNA to launch the largest genetic ancestry project to date, which will cover most of the world's countries, regions and ethnic groups. It is called the One Family One World Project (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family) (see blog post (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/blog/291/living-dna-demonstrating-how-we-re-all-connected-through-one-world-family-tree)) and it aims to initially recruit 100,000 participants to analyse and map the genetic variations in the big human family. You can see the various regional projects here (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research) (click on the region's name to access the project's page). People who have already done a DNA test with another company can upload their results and take part for free.

LeBrok
26-10-17, 16:10
Congrats Maciamo, awesome job! It is a great initiative and partnership for Eupedia!

I'll going to explore the links now.

noman
26-10-17, 16:17
Count me in.

Angela
26-10-17, 16:28
It will be extraordinary to get this level of detail! Kudos!

AdeoF
26-10-17, 17:11
I'm still waiting for my Living DNA test. However this is fantastic and I would to join. What proof would I need to say that my DNA is from that region. Because I got fully known family (even great-great grandparents) from north west Spain

Sile
26-10-17, 18:38
I am excited to announce that Eupedia is teaming up with Living DNA to launch the largest genetic ancestry project to date, which will cover most of the world's countries, regions and ethnic groups. It is called the One Family One World Project (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family) (see blog post (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/blog/291/living-dna-demonstrating-how-we-re-all-connected-through-one-world-family-tree)) and it aims to initially recruit 100,000 participants to analyse and map the genetic variations in the big human family. You can see the various regional projects here (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research) (click on the region's name to access the project's page). People who have already done a DNA test with another company can upload their results and take part for free.

Great job, I will join

a query - I prefer to upload my ftdna BigY test and other ftdna test than my 23andme v3 or natgeno test, is this the best option or ?

Can one upload , children, parents or wifes tests as well ?

Jovialis
26-10-17, 18:43
:good_job:

I'd like to take part in it, as soon as it's possible for me in a few weeks.

Dibran
26-10-17, 19:08
I am excited to announce that Eupedia is teaming up with Living DNA to launch the largest genetic ancestry project to date, which will cover most of the world's countries, regions and ethnic groups. It is called the One Family One World Project (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family) (see blog post (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/blog/291/living-dna-demonstrating-how-we-re-all-connected-through-one-world-family-tree)) and it aims to initially recruit 100,000 participants to analyse and map the genetic variations in the big human family. You can see the various regional projects here (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research) (click on the region's name to access the project's page). People who have already done a DNA test with another company can upload their results and take part for free.

If we already tested with LivingDNA are we automatically included or do we still need to upload? pretty excited. also the project doesn't give me an option to upload livingdna data(or since its formatted as a 23 file it should still take?0 Is there a USA participation link or can I do so directly from that EU link? Also can I upload my 23 file on a separate account as well? I have my fathers. and my moms. But my mom did anvestrydna.

Johane Derite
26-10-17, 19:53
This is great news, can't wait to see the results it will produce.

Kosovo and SouthEast Serbia being listed as the same colour and implicit region is quite disappointing as Kosovo is
currently 95% albanian ethnicity. This will only muddy and skew the statistics and will have albanian dna being
registered as south slav dna vice versa.

Note how this didn't happen with "Bosnia" and "Bosniak Serbs." Clearly demarcated colours and borders even though it is
only one country: Bosnia.

If this was done unintentionally, it is irresponsible. If it was done intentionally than it is a tendentious gesture conducive to serbia's expansionist aspirations. The reason I suspect it is intentional is that Kosovo is missing from their country list in both their "research section" as well as the countries listed in their South East Europe project:

"This project spans the following countries: Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey"


https://i.imgur.com/SkL3g0f.png

Dibran
26-10-17, 20:20
This is great news, can't wait to see the results it will produce.

Kosovo and SouthEast Serbia being listed as the same colour and implicit region is quite disappointing as Kosovo is
currently 95% albanian ethnicity. This will only muddy and skew the statistics and will have albanian dna being
registered as south slav dna vice versa.

Note how this didn't happen with "Bosnia" and "Bosniak Serbs." Clearly demarcated colours and borders even though it is
only one country: Bosnia.

If this was done unintentionally, it is irresponsible. If it was done intentionally than it is a tendentious gesture conducive to serbia's expansionist aspirations. The reason I suspect it is intentional is that Kosovo is missing from their country list in both their "research section" as well as the countries listed in their South East Europe project:

"This project spans the following countries: Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey"


https://i.imgur.com/SkL3g0f.png


Agreed, and these budale still have it listed as Kosovo republika Srpska on country drop down. They should update that, because it gives the notion they do not acknowledge our Sovereignty. I plan on emailing them about it when I get home. Currently saying site is under maintanence when I try to upload my family members. Does the tester with livingDNA automatically get included, or do I just upload my file(since its 23andme format). Confused. There is no indication those already tested are automatically included in the study. Additionally, is the plan to eventually bolster their reference populations through this project, updating current LivingDNA testers?

I think this is great, but that point you mention is really silly. That needs to be corrected.

Dibran
26-10-17, 20:30
Now I am pissed. I tried to submit for my father and mom. Now its saying(after the maintenance message) that "that email is already in use". Despite that I didn't get taken to a following page to upload my DNA files and didn't receive confirmation emails. So idk what to do from here? Any help?

Dibran
26-10-17, 21:07
I managed to upload my father. The rest are giving me issues.

davef
26-10-17, 21:13
I'm mixed, would they still accept me? I've never been tested, but I'd like to know in case I do.

AdeoF
26-10-17, 21:16
I'm waiting for my DNA test results from them, so I don't know if I should submit the previous dna or wait??

Maciamo
26-10-17, 21:26
I'm mixed, would they still accept me? I've never been tested, but I'd like to know in case I do.

No, you must have at least 4 grand-parents all born in the same region of the same country in Eurasia or Africa to qualify.

davef
26-10-17, 21:43
Ok thanks! But still, it's cool to be a mutt! ;)

Dibran
26-10-17, 21:51
No, you must have at least 4 grand-parents all born in the same region of the same country in Eurasia or Africa to qualify.

Will livingDNA data be updated if we already tested? Or do I still have to upload the file to participate?

Dibran
26-10-17, 22:13
No, you must have at least 4 grand-parents all born in the same region of the same country in Eurasia or Africa to qualify.

Considering LivingDNA does not acknowledge Kosova as an Albanian region, will this disqualify 100 percent Albanians who have a parent from Kosova? If so then that is really ridiculous.

They need to update the nation drop down too.

Dibran
27-10-17, 01:26
This is great news, can't wait to see the results it will produce.

Kosovo and SouthEast Serbia being listed as the same colour and implicit region is quite disappointing as Kosovo is
currently 95% albanian ethnicity. This will only muddy and skew the statistics and will have albanian dna being
registered as south slav dna vice versa.

Note how this didn't happen with "Bosnia" and "Bosniak Serbs." Clearly demarcated colours and borders even though it is
only one country: Bosnia.

If this was done unintentionally, it is irresponsible. If it was done intentionally than it is a tendentious gesture conducive to serbia's expansionist aspirations. The reason I suspect it is intentional is that Kosovo is missing from their country list in both their "research section" as well as the countries listed in their South East Europe project:

"This project spans the following countries: Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey"


https://i.imgur.com/SkL3g0f.png

I emailed LivingDNA requesting they make amendment to the breakdown in South East Europe. Clearly doesn't make them look good that they don't recognize Kosova's independence and instead support the position/claim of the nation which committed genocide to its neighbors.

Regardless of their opinions on the matter, Kosova is a sovereign state. Their intention to purposely name it as Serbia on their site is a gross misrepresentation, especially for their business. It will also be problematic considering Kosova is majority Albanian. I can see that screwing with autosomal breakdown big time.

Jovialis
27-10-17, 02:52
No, you must have at least 4 grand-parents all born in the same region of the same country in Eurasia or Africa to qualify.
Great, I'm totally applicable for the project. :smile:

Sile
27-10-17, 05:59
I emailed LivingDNA requesting they make amendment to the breakdown in South East Europe. Clearly doesn't make them look good that they don't recognize Kosova's independence and instead support the position/claim of the nation which committed genocide to its neighbors.

Regardless of their opinions on the matter, Kosova is a sovereign state. Their intention to purposely name it as Serbia on their site is a gross misrepresentation, especially for their business. It will also be problematic considering Kosova is majority Albanian. I can see that screwing with autosomal breakdown big time.

is it based on nations or ethnic and linguistic lines ...............I looked at italy and they have trentino in with Veneto, we know they are ethnically and linguistically very similar, then they split of east lombardy from lombardy, clearly based on ethnic and linguistic lines, Bergamo, Brescia, Cremona ( east Lombardy ) where under Venice from 1430 to 1800 , maybe this has something to do with how they split the areas

Maciamo
27-10-17, 09:34
This is great news, can't wait to see the results it will produce.

Kosovo and SouthEast Serbia being listed as the same colour and implicit region is quite disappointing as Kosovo is
currently 95% albanian ethnicity. This will only muddy and skew the statistics and will have albanian dna being
registered as south slav dna vice versa.

Note how this didn't happen with "Bosnia" and "Bosniak Serbs." Clearly demarcated colours and borders even though it is
only one country: Bosnia.

If this was done unintentionally, it is irresponsible. If it was done intentionally than it is a tendentious gesture conducive to serbia's expansionist aspirations. The reason I suspect it is intentional is that Kosovo is missing from their country list in both their "research section" as well as the countries listed in their South East Europe project:

"This project spans the following countries: Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey"


https://i.imgur.com/SkL3g0f.png


Actually, if you check the list of regions, Kosovo is separate from Serbia. The problem is that the software to make interactive maps is attributing the colours of the regions randomly and there isn't enough colours, so that some adjacent regions have exactly the same colour. If you look carefully there is a thin white line separating the regions. If you click on a region's name in the list, it will be highlighted. But at the moment it is confusing. I hope this can be fixed. I made the map and this is the original one I submitted to Living DNA.

.https://www.eupedia.com/images/Balkans_Carpathians_histori.png

Johane Derite
27-10-17, 12:57
Actually, if you check the list of regions, Kosovo is separate from Serbia. The problem is that the software to make interactive maps is attributing the colours of the regions randomly and there isn't enough colours, so that some adjacent regions have exactly the same colour. If you look carefully there is a thin white line separating the regions. If you click on a region's name in the list, it will be highlighted. But at the moment it is confusing. I hope this can be fixed. I made the map and this is the original one I submitted to Living DNA.

.https://www.eupedia.com/images/Balkans_Carpathians_histori.png

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't realize the colours were randomly generated.

The reason I jumped on it was because of the two red flags I had noticed.

The first beings Kosovo's absence in this:

"This project spans the following countries: Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Turkey"

The second being their "opt in" research section. Kosovo was also absent as a country, but it was present as a county/state/region of Yugoslavia:

https://i.imgur.com/S1LCkaP.png

I'm not worried about any signalling or ensuring empty recognition of Kosovo online. My main worry and the reason I spoke up
was about a large cluster of Kosovo Albanians (~2 million) being opted into livingdna research as Yugoslavians(south slavs). This
can have all sorts of muddying and confusing effects in the science of the region.

Thanks for the clarification.

Jovialis
27-10-17, 13:52
Not to split hairs here too much, but Foggia is a different province from Bari. They have their own unique history and dialect too; though it is a variant with other influences. If I could suggest a critique to the map; it would be to split those regions.

https://i.imgur.com/4Dtz9bG.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Barese.JPG/120px-Barese.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_dialect

Maciamo
27-10-17, 15:14
Not to split hairs here too much, but Foggia is a different province from Bari. They have their own unique history and dialect too; though it is a variant with other influences. If I could suggest a critique to the map; it would be to split those regions.

https://i.imgur.com/4Dtz9bG.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Barese.JPG/120px-Barese.JPG
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_dialect

Maybe, but they speak a similar Pugliese dialect (of Neapolitan), clearly distinct from the Salentino dialect (of Sicilian). There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Dialetti_e_lingue_in_Italia.png

Jovialis
27-10-17, 15:33
Maybe, but they speak a similar Pugliese dialect (of Neapolitan), clearly distinct from the Salentino dialect (of Sicilian). There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Dialetti_e_lingue_in_Italia.png

I see, at any rate, I'll gladly participate in the project.

Dibran
27-10-17, 16:55
I see, at any rate, I'll gladly participate in the project.

Does regionalization go live at the same time matching is suspected to(mid 2018)? If we tested LivingDNA we would automatically be included given all 4 grandparents are from the same region?

Jovialis
27-10-17, 17:00
Does regionalization go live at the same time matching is suspected to(mid 2018)? If we tested LivingDNA we would automatically be included given all 4 grandparents are from the same region?

I'm not sure, I'm still waiting on my DNA results to upload to the project.

Wheal
27-10-17, 17:32
I'm omitted, and both of my parents are omitted. gg grands for me and ggrands (and earlier) from my parents.

Dibran
27-10-17, 18:04
I'm not sure, I'm still waiting on my DNA results to upload to the project.

Where would we see if its uploaded to the project? I assume my parents and myself were accepted, got through account creation and uploaded their raw data successfully. now with ETC for the 29th.

Jovialis
27-10-17, 18:08
Where would we see if its uploaded to the project? I assume my parents and myself were accepted, got through account creation and uploaded their raw data successfully. now with ETC for the 29th.

Sorry but I don't know. To clarify, I'm stilling waiting on my 23andme results, which I plan on uploading the raw data when I receive it. I haven't even attempted to upload anything to the project as of yet.

Sile
27-10-17, 18:59
my 23andme v3 file i tried to use failed, and my ftdna one i used worked..........i am due 30 Oct.

Sile
28-10-17, 00:32
Maybe, but they speak a similar Pugliese dialect (of Neapolitan), clearly distinct from the Salentino dialect (of Sicilian). There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Dialetti_e_lingue_in_Italia.png
thanks
looking at the map , I initially thought it was a bit wrong, but I am mistaken
my paternal line as well as my wife's paternal line both site in Veneto Ve3
my mothers line in Veneto Ve4
and mother in law line in Veneto Ve2

going back to the 15th century then my paternal line was in TR next to Mocheno

Sile
28-10-17, 20:48
Once joining LivingDna, are you automatically part of the project of the country you are from or does one need to apply?
I cannot see where I can become part of the Italy project

Salento
28-10-17, 20:53
Once joining LivingDna, are you automatically part of the project of the country you are from or does one need to apply?
I cannot see where I can become part of the Italy project

Try this Link:
https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research/italy/apply

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171028/e312b2abb1a1c07fd32e2648e42ff3ad.jpg

srdceleva
29-10-17, 00:37
This is awesome I hope they get enough Slovak samples, I doubt it though since there are so little on forums or who take DNA tests

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SoloWarrior
29-10-17, 00:55
No, you must have at least 4 grand-parents all born in the same region of the same country in Eurasia or Africa to qualify.

It's allowable for "mutts". The One World has two separate ideas:


To build a genetic family tree of everyone from around the world, regardless of where your family comes from.
To build a regional genetic breakdown of ancestry within countries, similar to ’The Peopling of the British Isles project’. This part of the project is looking for people with all four grandparents born within 80km (50miles) of each other.

What seems to be omitted are people with unknown ancestry of parents/grandparents.






I'm mixed, would they still accept me? I've never been tested, but I'd like to know in case I do.

Tomenable
29-10-17, 03:20
Congrats Maciamo, amazing job! And count me in (I already joined the Polish Project, my grandparents are born within 80 km of each other, so I qualify to the regional part of the Project).

Also good job with dividing Poland into regions. But I suggest some changes, and increasing the number of regions from 11 to 15. I made this map (thanks mlukas and Rethel for your advice):

Map (I made it in GIMP): https://i.imgur.com/M68llFO.png

https://i.imgur.com/M68llFO.png

^^^ 15 regions in total for Poland:

- Pomerania
- Kashubia (or Pomerelia, if you prefer this name)
- Northern Poland*
- Oberland (Upper Prussia, Prusy Górne; west part of East Prussia)
- Warmia-Masuria**
- Sudovia-Podlachia (Sudovia is too small to be its own thing)
- Neumark (or East Brandenburg, if you prefer)
- Greater Poland
- Central Poland (or Sieradz-Leczyca if you prefer)
- Masovia (Mazovia)
- Lower Silesia (historically as far north as Crossen-Schwiebus)
- Upper Silesia (including Cieszyn, Syców & Namysłów regions)
- Polish Mountains
- Lesser Poland
- Red Ruthenia

*Includes 11 smaller regions: Kuyavia, Krajna, Dobrzyn Land, Chelmno Land, Tuchola Forests, Kociewie, Powisle, Lubawa Land, Kosznajderia, Free City Danzig (Gdańsk), Żuławy (Malbork-Elbląg area).

**Includes entire Masuria but only southern half of Warmia, with Polish-speaking Warmiaks.

Borders of regions are drawn - with just 1 or 2 exceptions - based on 1900 borders of counties. I can send you blank maps with borders of counties as of 1900 (the ones that I used in GIMP).

Sile
29-10-17, 03:40
Try this Link:
https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research/italy/apply

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171028/e312b2abb1a1c07fd32e2648e42ff3ad.jpg

thanks

that's the one I was sent by living-dna when i registered ..............so it means I must be part of the project

Tomenable
29-10-17, 03:55
(...) Map (I made it in GIMP): https://i.imgur.com/M68llFO.png

https://i.imgur.com/M68llFO.png

^^^ 15 regions in total for Poland:

- Pomerania
- Kashubia (or Pomerelia, if you prefer this name)
- Northern Poland*
- Oberland (Upper Prussia, Prusy Górne; west part of East Prussia)
- Warmia-Masuria**
- Sudovia-Podlachia (Sudovia is too small to be its own thing)
- Neumark (or East Brandenburg, if you prefer)
- Greater Poland
- Central Poland (or Sieradz-Leczyca if you prefer)
- Masovia (Mazovia)
- Lower Silesia (historically as far north as Crossen-Schwiebus)
- Upper Silesia (including Cieszyn, Syców & Namysłów regions)
- Polish Mountains
- Lesser Poland
- Red Ruthenia

*Includes 11 smaller regions: Kuyavia, Krajna, Dobrzyn Land, Chelmno Land, Tuchola Forests, Kociewie, Powisle, Lubawa Land, Kosznajderia, Free City Danzig (Gdańsk), Żuławy (Malbork-Elbląg area).

**Includes entire Masuria but only southern half of Warmia, with Polish-speaking Warmiaks.

Borders of regions are drawn - with just 1 or 2 exceptions - based on 1900 borders of counties. I can send you blank maps with borders of counties as of 1900 (the ones that I used in GIMP).

Compared to borders of administrative counties as of year 1900:

https://i.imgur.com/A2UP9iJ.png

https://i.imgur.com/A2UP9iJ.png

elghund
29-10-17, 08:18
Will livingDNA data be updated if we already tested? Or do I still have to upload the file to participate?

Log in to your LivingDNA account, then click Research on the left side of the page. The option to join will appear.

Tomenable
29-10-17, 10:55
Maciamo if you also have influence on how Living DNA divides Germany into regions, then you can tell them that it would be good to have the island of Rügen as a separate region. That's because studies have shown that people of this island have specific distinct genetic differences from people in other parts of Germany.

Actually, populations of Rügen, Ummanz and Hiddensee are all distinct from mainland populations:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14717531


Abstract

24 haemogenetic markers (5 erythrocyte antigens, 7 polymorphisms of serum proteins, 12 polymorphisms of red cell enzymes) had been studied in 171 individuals from the island of Rügen (Germany, Baltic Sea). The cluster analysis separates clearly the Rügen sample just as the islands of Hiddensee and Ummanz from the neighbouring populations. The comparison of the data with neighboured larger populations as for instance Denmark, Hamburg or Sweden clearly results in an exceptional position of the island of Rügen. The possible reasons are discussed. (...)

Maybe "Germany's Baltic Sea Islands" should be a region of its own?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_islands_of_Germany#Islands_of_the_Baltic_S ea

Rügen - 926 km2 and 77,000 people
Usedom (German part) - 373 km2 and 31,500 people
Fehmarn - 185 km2 and 12,467 people
Poel - 36 km2 and 2,497 people
Hiddensee - 19 km2 and 1,002 people
Ummanz - 20 km2 and 274 people
==========================
Greifswalder Oie - small island near Usedom
Dänholm - small island near Rügen
Vilm - small island near Rügen
Walfisch island - uninhabited
Langenwerder - uninhabited
Ruden - uninhabited
==========================
Total population - 125,000 people

Tomenable
29-10-17, 10:59
On GEDmatch, I found a German with 37.5% of ancestry from Rügen, but not anyone with 100%:

GEDmatch kit: A687851
GEDCOM ID#: 7014712

http://i.imgur.com/xuIzbqk.png

http://i.imgur.com/xuIzbqk.png

Tomenable
29-10-17, 12:46
There are lots of regions in Europe and the Middle East that either are or were multi-ethnic (and remember that this Project is asking about birthplaces of grandparents and great-grandparents, so it will show the genetic landscape as it was a few generations ago).

They should ask questions about identity as well, not just about geographical origins.

What about Czechia for example - Sudetenland is not a separate region in their map.

Tomenable
29-10-17, 13:33
I'm part of 2 Projects - Polish and German. But there are huge delays with German Project.

I have 3 tests (I ordered a kit because I was told transfers were delayed until mid-2018):

https://i.imgur.com/qWTTPT1.png

Angela
29-10-17, 18:34
There was a limit to the number of subdivisions by country, also based on size and population.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Dialetti_e_lingue_in_Italia.png

I do understand that, but there are bound to be some distortions in a country like Italy given its sub-structure and demographic history.

Unfortunately, as the map shows, political boundaries don't necessarily correlate with linguistic or "ethnic" boundaries.

The Lunigiana (the far north-west "neck" of Toscana) speaks a variant of Emiliano (although influenced by both Tuscan and Ligurian), and most of it was part of Emilian fiefs until a hundred or so years ago, but it is now politically part of Tuscany.

The so-called "Piedmont" sample used by academics doing pop gen research was taken from the Val Borbera which is now politically part of Piemonte. However, that's also a recent (last hundred years) development. The area was part of Liguria historically, as the town names indicate, and as the map shows they still speak Ligurian "dialects" there. Genetically, I would think they're actually "Ligurian", although this is an area where four provinces meet: Liguria, Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Daniela_Toniolo/publication/38028147/figure/fig14/AS:[email protected]/Figure-1-Geographical-location-of-the-Val-Borbera-in-Northern-Italy-and-position-of-the.png

This is what happens when geneticists use samples that were drawn to study disease, not ancestry.

Also, for any areas where there was migration from the south, ideally the person should have all great-grandparents from the location in question, otherwise the results won't be accurate. This is especially important if the testee is rather young. In La Spezia, for example, there was migration from the south starting in the late 1800s because of the shipyards. In the Trentino a lot of southern Italians were encouraged to migrate there quite early.

Even Lazio is tricky. In part of it, the people are descendants of northern Italians who were moved there by Mussolini. On the other hand, part of Lazio used to be part of Campania.

It's complicated.

Maciamo
29-10-17, 19:33
Maciamo if you also have influence on how Living DNA divides Germany into regions, then you can tell them that it would be good to have the island of Rügen as a separate region. That's because studies have shown that people of this island have specific distinct genetic differences from people in other parts of Germany.

My cooperation with Living DNA started after they had launched the German Project. I would have divided the regions differently, with more emphasis on dialects, historical boundaries and haplogroup distribution rather than the modern political divide they chose. Anyway these maps are preliminary and will be adjusted based on the data from participants.

felipeschmidt25
29-10-17, 19:47
I have joined in it. I have put my ftdna results and m awaiting for the results. I except something better than my origins 2.0, cause in my specific case, the 1.0 was better than 2.0. I guess that it is a great project. Congratulations!!!

rove
29-10-17, 20:26
"Thank you

Your email address has been confirmed.
In a few minutes you'll get an email with instructions on how to upload your existing raw data to us and another email to setup a customer portal account (if you don't have one already)."

But i dont get the email. Anyone else have same problem?

Tomenable
29-10-17, 21:15
My cooperation with Living DNA started after they had launched the German Project. I would have divided the regions differently, with more emphasis on dialects, historical boundaries and haplogroup distribution rather than the modern political divide they chose. Anyway these maps are preliminary and will be adjusted based on the data from participants.

Yes, I suppose that ultimately they will create their own genetic clusters based on results of people with grandparents born within 80 km of each other. These regional divisions are only preliminary.

But I think that you should update Poland's regions based on my suggestions.

Expredel
29-10-17, 22:27
My cooperation with Living DNA started after they had launched the German Project. I would have divided the regions differently, with more emphasis on dialects, historical boundaries and haplogroup distribution rather than the modern political divide they chose. Anyway these maps are preliminary and will be adjusted based on the data from participants.
Will Living DNA provide detailed Y and mt DNA maps?

I assume they won't if they require you to have 4 grand parents in the same region, unless they want to make sure that they can autosomically verify that a participant is from the region they say they are from?

Maciamo
29-10-17, 22:31
Yes, I suppose that ultimately they will create their own genetic clusters based on results of people with grandparents born within 80 km of each other. These regional divisions are only preliminary.

But I think that you should update Poland's regions based on my suggestions.

I will discuss the update of the Polish map with them.

Lukas
30-10-17, 12:54
Sorry this is a hoax. They wanted to steal our rawdata for free and they give us nearly nothing.

First of all the ETA is now August 2018 for everybody. And it was told it will be few days!

Secondly read this!

https://i.imgur.com/YJYqv3l.jpg


Maciamo, if you have any influence on them. Please tell them that we want free ethnicity estimate not matching, and not in August 2018!

Lukas
30-10-17, 12:56
Please people, stop uploading them your rawdata for free. Maybe when they will see such policy was stupid they would change their mind!

I'm certainly not going to buy their kit to see my estimate. If they thought it would attract me they were simply idiots.

Valerius
30-10-17, 22:42
I took part with my raw data/details but also can't understand what exactly they'll provide after the "Status: Awaiting testing":
- Free estimates?
- Estimates for cash?
- Nothing?

Anyone with more info?

Lukas
30-10-17, 22:45
only matches

Valerius
30-10-17, 23:18
only matches

If that's correct then their info is quite misleading. Here's the text after you finish your account:

Welcome to Living DNA.
You now have a lifetime membership where you will be able to view your ancestry breakdown in ever expanding detail.

Once we receive your samples, our scientists will be working hard to find out where you come from. When your results are ready, you will be able to view them on this portal, which uses maps and visuals to show you as simply as possible what makes you up. You can view your map on a global, regional or sub-regional level, giving you the most detailed breakdown possible.

As well as giving you your ancestry breakdown today, Living DNA also show you what your ancestral patterns looked like and where they came from, going back approximately 80,000 years ago, showing we are all connected at some point in history. We've also given you your own dotty avatar, a unique way to visualise your breakdown and share and compare your results with others.

Our testing package not only looks at your family line, but also looks at your motherline and fatherline (fatherline results only available to males, as women don’t have a Y chromosome). By looking at this detail, we can show you the speculated migration patterns of these lines, giving you a complete story of your ancestry.

firetown
30-10-17, 23:27
The old saying goes "If the service is free, you are not the customer. You are the product". I would put some pressure on them and make sure they speed things up somewhat. Or guarantee something very special for those who help them develop their new venture.
But then again: If you wait a little bit, they might positively surprise you. If it was me... I'd wait and see.

Tomenable
31-10-17, 19:22
I will discuss the update of the Polish map with them.

Okay, thanks!

Dibran
31-10-17, 20:08
I will discuss the update of the Polish map with them.

Might also want to tell them their decision to include Kosova as a region of Serbia is pigheaded and politically charged. I already emailed them twice with no response in over a week. They really are not making themselves look good, especially with swindling everyone into submitting their raw data under the pretense ancestry breakdown would be provided.

Miroslav
31-10-17, 22:02
People, do not be fools. Do not share your raw DNA data with any company or project, free or non-free, who did not start working and delivering results. Never support any unfinished product. This is irresponsible for both sides.

Lukas
03-11-17, 11:17
I think Ancestry.com has now much more interesting regions for Poland, and they are provided it now, not in the future. No Greater Poland, Tomenable will be furious:) But Masovia & Lodz ok!

https://www.ancestrycdn.com/support/us/2017/11/list.png

LeBrok
03-11-17, 17:10
I would love to see regions based on genetic differences not modern or latest historical geopolitical concepts. Collect DNA and let algorithms determine that.

Jovialis
03-11-17, 18:59
Just submitted my raw data file to the project.

Expredel
03-11-17, 19:46
I would love to see regions based on genetic differences not modern or latest historical geopolitical concepts. Collect DNA and let algorithms determine that.
We already know the data they provide us is nonsense because the autosomal bottlenecks should match the non-autosomal ones.

blevins13
04-11-17, 10:20
I am excited to announce that Eupedia is teaming up with Living DNA to launch the largest genetic ancestry project to date, which will cover most of the world's countries, regions and ethnic groups. It is called the One Family One World Project (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family) (see blog post (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/blog/291/living-dna-demonstrating-how-we-re-all-connected-through-one-world-family-tree)) and it aims to initially recruit 100,000 participants to analyse and map the genetic variations in the big human family. You can see the various regional projects here (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research) (click on the region's name to access the project's page). People who have already done a DNA test with another company can upload their results and take part for free.

Sounds great, count me in....


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Maciamo
04-11-17, 10:32
Might also want to tell them their decision to include Kosova as a region of Serbia is pigheaded and politically charged. I already emailed them twice with no response in over a week. They really are not making themselves look good, especially with swindling everyone into submitting their raw data under the pretense ancestry breakdown would be provided.

Kosovo was always listed as a separate region from Serbia. The colours were the same because the programme assigned colours randomly. They now have clearly distinct colours.

Kosovo has now been added in the list of countries. It was an oversight of the person encoding the countries.

Maciamo
04-11-17, 10:45
Sorry this is a hoax. They wanted to steal our rawdata for free and they give us nearly nothing.

First of all the ETA is now August 2018 for everybody. And it was told it will be few days!

Secondly read this!

https://i.imgur.com/YJYqv3l.jpg


Maciamo, if you have any influence on them. Please tell them that we want free ethnicity estimate not matching, and not in August 2018!


If that's correct then their info is quite misleading. Here's the text after you finish your account:

Welcome to Living DNA.


You now have a lifetime membership where you will be able to view your ancestry breakdown in ever expanding detail.

Once we receive your samples, our scientists will be working hard to find out where you come from. When your results are ready, you will be able to view them on this portal, which uses maps and visuals to show you as simply as possible what makes you up. You can view your map on a global, regional or sub-regional level, giving you the most detailed breakdown possible.

As well as giving you your ancestry breakdown today, Living DNA also show you what your ancestral patterns looked like and where they came from, going back approximately 80,000 years ago, showing we are all connected at some point in history. We've also given you your own dotty avatar, a unique way to visualise your breakdown and share and compare your results with others.

Our testing package not only looks at your family line, but also looks at your motherline and fatherline (fatherline results only available to males, as women don’t have a Y chromosome). By looking at this detail, we can show you the speculated migration patterns of these lines, giving you a complete story of your ancestry.


I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.

taiabafa
04-11-17, 12:27
I've already tested with Living Dna ... to attend what do I have to do? thank you

SoloWarrior
04-11-17, 15:31
Sorry this is a hoax. They wanted to steal our rawdata for free and they give us nearly nothing.

First of all the ETA is now August 2018 for everybody. And it was told it will be few days!

Secondly read this!

https://i.imgur.com/YJYqv3l.jpg


Maciamo, if you have any influence on them. Please tell them that we want free ethnicity estimate not matching, and not in August 2018!



Course it is a scam.

Never liked Living DNA to begin with. The customer service only recite worthless scripted responses - if you ask something beyond that scripted response they're useless - and I even got a hold of a "researcher" whose response to a question was far below what I'd expect for a "specialist".

But this scam is beyond unprofessional.



Worse to this scam is how they treat the response. Try asking to delete your data/profile.

They pull a whole whack of bullshit - first about their supposed "superior than any other company" security & then they will ignore your requests to delete your profile until you are basically bombarding / shouting at customer service.

When they do acknowledge your request the implication is whenever they get around to it they might delete your data. I have never encountered a genetic company that basically says we'll let you know when & if the deletion of your data is done. It should be, like almost every other company, near enough automatic.

And notice how they don't have any way for you to delete it yourself.

Update to the deleting - apparently it takes 14 business days.

srdceleva
04-11-17, 20:20
I think Ancestry.com has now much more interesting regions for Poland, and they are provided it now, not in the future. No Greater Poland, Tomenable will be furious:) But Masovia & Lodz ok!

https://www.ancestrycdn.com/support/us/2017/11/list.png
it is still in beta mode and sucks at the moment. My father gets a broad eastern european grouping, which consists of Poland, the czech rep., and a few slovak samples. My sister gets Czechs lol and neither my mother or me and my brother get any sort of eastern Population(though we have high eastern euro rates in our ethnicity estimate). Im excited for living dna to do better than all These generic testing companies. At least they are trying to work with People and break down populations how they should be broken down.

davef
04-11-17, 20:40
Course it is a scam.
Never liked Living DNA to begin with. The customer service only recite worthless scripted responses - if you ask something beyond that scripted response they're useless - and I even got a hold of a "researcher" whose response to a question was far below what I'd expect for a "specialist".
But this scam is beyond unprofessional.
Worse to this scam is how they treat the response. Try asking to delete your data/profile.
They pull a whole whack of bullshit - first about their supposed "superior than any other company" security & then they will ignore your requests to delete your profile until you are basically bombarding / shouting at customer service.
When they do acknowledge your request the implication is whenever they get around to it they might delete your data. I have never encountered a genetic company that basically says we'll let you know when & if the deletion of your data is done. It should be, like almost every other company, near enough automatic.
And notice how they don't have any way for you to delete it yourself.
Update to the deleting - apparently it takes 14 business days.
14 days to perform a simple split second database query? Or are they that horribly lacking in bandwidth?
On top of that...14 BUSINESS DAYS??? Why business days? Do servers shut down over the weekend? Am I missing something here?
And a lot of companies are notorious for useless responses. Apple I might add is notorious for canned and overly simplistic responses from support personnel, and I remember the cheap response Jovialis received from 23andme saying (drum roll) that it's possible to have full ancestry from a particular region (oh woooow duuuuuhhhhh reaaalllyyy) as if he's a 4 year old or an imbecile

Dibran
04-11-17, 20:48
Kosovo was always listed as a separate region from Serbia. The colours were the same because the programme assigned colours randomly. They now have clearly distinct colours.

Kosovo has now been added in the list of countries. It was an oversight of the person encoding the countries.

Drop down lists it as Kosovo-Metohija, Yugoslavia. At least it did for me. Last time I checked, that is not what its part of. Again, whoever set up the site that way obviously put their political views in the mix.

Dibran
04-11-17, 20:52
I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.

That does not answer the question of why we were all lied to and ancestry breakdown was even pushed not only on the project page, but even in confirmation emails. Last time I checked, when you tell people they will receive one thing and you lie and back pedal once you have their DNA data, its called Fraud. They never made their intentions clear until after they had anyones DNA data, up until that point, the project page, and emails clearly stated ancestry breakdown would be provided. To falsely advertise and double back once you have what you want is FRAUD. I reckon, if they want to save face, they provide what was promised or watch their reputation go to shit.

Sile
04-11-17, 21:18
I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.

What are you trying to say in the second sentence

Sile
04-11-17, 21:21
it is still in beta mode and sucks at the moment. My father gets a broad eastern european grouping, which consists of Poland, the czech rep., and a few slovak samples. My sister gets Czechs lol and neither my mother or me and my brother get any sort of eastern Population(though we have high eastern euro rates in our ethnicity estimate). Im excited for living dna to do better than all These generic testing companies. At least they are trying to work with People and break down populations how they should be broken down.

Ancestry...........another crappy site

SoloWarrior
05-11-17, 02:45
14 days to perform a simple split second database query? Or are they that horribly lacking in bandwidth?
On top of that...14 BUSINESS DAYS??? Why business days? Do servers shut down over the weekend? Am I missing something here?

14 business days before they'll actually may delete your profile/data. Once you ask & they acknowledge you asked, which may take a few days of "shouting" at them for them to even acknowledge the request.

As for missing something ... it seems to be a rather crappy company.

SoloWarrior
05-11-17, 02:48
nevermind, double post

SoloWarrior
05-11-17, 02:52
I discussed this with them and participants who upload their genome should normally be offered to have their genome analysed in exchange for a small fee. However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.


The more I read the more LivingDNA seems like a rather unprofessional company. Comparable to 23&me and the screwup with their health testing / FDA approval a while back. However, 23&me had the benefit of running for a while before the health test issue came to light. Living DNA doesn't and they've already done a sledgehammer's worth of damage to their reputation with this seemingly poorly written OneWorld project.


There was, after all, no mention of a fee originally. Makes one wonder what was the actual purpose of the OneWorld when it seems they had no intentions of honouring the seeming agreement in their piss-poor summary. The "matching" idea seems sort of like an "oops" response - a better offer them something sort of deal - than anything professionally thought out. It'd be available sooner than what 10 months otherwise.





However, those who do qualify for a specific region will become part of the reference population for that region, which means that their results will be mostly from that region.


So LivingDNA has no references? Nothing from the various databases out there? That's odd because they have implied - as like in the Scottish project - they are getting data from somewhere. Or was that some sort of a fib to attract interest? Either way, this makes the initial purpose of OneWorld questionable.


Results will be mostly from that region - so does that mean references [or their relatives] won't get much in relation to secondary populations? And for people who are not related to the references how useful [or useless] is the test going to be?


The latter is, after all, a problem with Ancestry's Genetic Communities for some people. As someone elsewhere put it people with "homogenous" ancestry - e.g. small towns, remote, not a lot of movement, etc. - don't often get a "Community" on Ancestry. And Ancestry's data is mostly composed from their clients I believe, sort of like LivingDNA's snap decision OneWorld.

Expredel
05-11-17, 03:00
I've heard LivingDNA won't give you your negative Y-DNA SNPs, which will be over 15,000+ SNPs for most people. I haven't been able to find a public list of all the SNPs they test for either.

DNA companies seem to favor obscurity so their claims cannot be independently verified.

Maciamo
05-11-17, 09:28
So LivingDNA has no references? Nothing from the various databases out there? That's odd because they have implied - as like in the Scottish project - they are getting data from somewhere. Or was that some sort of a fib to attract interest? Either way, this makes the initial purpose of OneWorld questionable.


Living DNA already has tens of thousands of reference samples used to differentiate the 80 regions of ancestry worldwide. The aim of the One Family Project is to further refine that to many more regions and subregions in the Old Wolrd. In order to achieve this as many samples from each region are necessary. If you don't want to contribute to this project, nobody forces you. But there is no point in joining and bitching for two weeks that you want to quit. That's very immature.


"Results will be mostly from that region" - so does that mean references [or their relatives] won't get much in relation to secondary populations? And for people who are not related to the references how useful [or useless] is the test going to be?

That is not clear to me yet. I know that 23andMe customers who were selected to be part of the reference population got 100% of their ancestry from that reference region. I proposed to Living DNA to have several views based on the depth of ancestry. For example, what is your ancestry in the last 300 years, or 1000 years ago or 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago. It is theoretically possible to do this as smaller segments of inherited DNA mean older ancestry. However it is difficult to implement in practice, especially without thousands of ancient samples from each period. If Living DNA eventually implements this, being a participant to a regional project will only affect recent ancestry (under 500 years), so people could still get an idea of the percentage of, say, ancient Germanic, Celtic, Roman, Greek or Slavic ancestry they inherited. I think that is much more interesting than recent ancestry anyway.

srdceleva
05-11-17, 10:12
Living DNA already has tens of thousands of reference samples used to differentiate the 80 regions of ancestry worldwide. The aim of the One Family Project is to further refine that to many more regions and subregions in the Old Wolrd. In order to achieve this as many samples from each region are necessary. If you don't want to contribute to this project, nobody forces you. But there is no point in joining and bitching for two weeks that you want to quit. That's very immature.



That is not clear to me yet. I know that 23andMe customers who were selected to be part of the reference population got 100% of their ancestry from that reference region. I proposed to Living DNA to have several views based on the depth of ancestry. For example, what is your ancestry in the last 300 years, or 1000 years ago or 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago. It is theoretically possible to do this as smaller segments of inherited DNA mean older ancestry. However it is difficult to implement in practice, especially without thousands of ancient samples from each period. If Living DNA eventually implements this, being a participant to a regional project will only affect recent ancestry (under 500 years), so people could still get an idea of the percentage of, say, ancient Germanic, Celtic, Roman, Greek or Slavic ancestry they inherited. I think that is much more interesting than recent ancestry anyway.I like so far everything you keep saying about them. Maybe living dna isnt perfect but at least they are willing to work with people. Please help them update their ydna and mtdna descriptions. They could finish that earlier than next august.

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Dibran
05-11-17, 15:56
Kosovo was always listed as a separate region from Serbia. The colours were the same because the programme assigned colours randomly. They now have clearly distinct colours.

Kosovo has now been added in the list of countries. It was an oversight of the person encoding the countries.


NO it is not.

https://s1.postimg.org/7gb2bdhk1r/image.jpg

Their E-V13 description doesn't even list or acknowledge KOSOVA! the highest E-V13 concentrated place. Oh wait, they do mention Serbia. Oh yea,, thats because they chose to include Kosova as part of Serbia. Again, tell them to make the change. piss poor reflection on them.

Expredel
05-11-17, 16:15
Living DNA already has tens of thousands of reference samples used to differentiate the 80 regions of ancestry worldwide. The aim of the One Family Project is to further refine that to many more regions and subregions in the Old Wolrd. In order to achieve this as many samples from each region are necessary.
I can only see that resulting in LivingDNA telling you that you are 2.3% Berlinian, which is completely pointless. It will amuse the average Joe to no end however, and that's where money is to be made.


I proposed to Living DNA to have several views based on the depth of ancestry. For example, what is your ancestry in the last 300 years, or 1000 years ago or 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago. It is theoretically possible to do this as smaller segments of inherited DNA mean older ancestry.
Autosomal DNA completely recombines in 600-800 years. Whenever autosomal haplotypes occur it is because they are positively selected for, which means that it's very difficult to guess their age. This is likely why 23andme ancestry goes much further back than 500 years because they are comparing series of mutations that influence gene expression, some of which go back 40,000 years.

This implies we're best off looking at single mutations, something we can do ourselves, which is probably what they fear because people will realize their recent ancestry is pointless unless you're adopted and want to know your roots, and if you go back far enough everyone is more or less identical which is not information that is of personal interest.

Maciamo
05-11-17, 19:47
I like so far everything you keep saying about them. Maybe living dna isnt perfect but at least they are willing to work with people. Please help them update their ydna and mtdna descriptions. They could finish that earlier than next august.


I offered several times to help them update their Y-DNA and mtDNA descriptions, but never heard back from them. They did supposedly quote my work on Eupedia (as "Hay 2017") but among what I have seen that is often quite different from what I wrote and sometimes something entirely different.

srdceleva
06-11-17, 00:02
I offered several times to help them update their Y-DNA and mtDNA descriptions, but never heard back from them. They did supposedly quote my work on Eupedia (as "Hay 2017") but among what I have seen that is often quite different from what I wrote and sometimes something entirely different.They want to keep catering to british customers and are afraid changing the descriptions will some how alienate them I think, which is ridiculous if u want to have an international customer base.

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Lukas
06-11-17, 13:00
Living DNA already has tens of thousands of reference samples used to differentiate the 80 regions of ancestry worldwide. The aim of the One Family Project is to further refine that to many more regions and subregions in the Old Wolrd. In order to achieve this as many samples from each region are necessary. If you don't want to contribute to this project, nobody forces you. But there is no point in joining and bitching for two weeks that you want to quit. That's very immature.

Sorry Maciamo, but they can't have thousands references from Poland. Ask Davidski how many academic samples from Poland exist. One hundred maybe? And for few regions only (but some of them are useless like Wroclaw sample).
For many countries it's the same situation. We have only those samples which were published in Lazaridis, Behar or similar studies. Unless we don't know about secret testing by LivingDNA of thousands people from regional population from all over the world. You know it's bullshit. I understand you cooperate with them, but be serious...

Maciamo
06-11-17, 16:52
NO it is not.

https://s1.postimg.org/7gb2bdhk1r/image.jpg



I meant on the map. I can't believe that they are still listing Yugoslavia as a country! Did you tell them?



Their E-V13 description doesn't even list or acknowledge KOSOVA! the highest E-V13 concentrated place. Oh wait, they do mention Serbia. Oh yea,, thats because they chose to include Kosova as part of Serbia. Again, tell them to make the change. piss poor reflection on them.

I am not going to contact them every time there is a mistake or omission on their site. I proposed to review their haplogroup descriptions and maps and they didn't seem to care. Their site is their responsibility. I am enough work as it is. But feel free to contact them.

Maciamo
06-11-17, 16:54
Sorry Maciamo, but they can't have thousands references from Poland. Ask Davidski how many academic samples from Poland exist. One hundred maybe? And for few regions only (but some of them are useless like Wroclaw sample).
For many countries it's the same situation. We have only those samples which were published in Lazaridis, Behar or similar studies. Unless we don't know about secret testing by LivingDNA of thousands people from regional population from all over the world. You know it's bullshit. I understand you cooperate with them, but be serious...

I didn't say that they have thousands of samples for every country! I meant in total. The point of the project is to have at least 100 samples for each region listed. This is going to be hard for some poorer parts of Asia like some Indonesian islands or tribal groups. But in Europe it is achievable.

Dibran
06-11-17, 18:04
I meant on the map. I can't believe that they are still listing Yugoslavia as a country! Did you tell them?



I am not going to contact them every time there is a mistake or omission on their site. I proposed to review their haplogroup descriptions and maps and they didn't seem to care. Their site is their responsibility. I am enough work as it is. But feel free to contact them.

Hi Maciamo,

No they didn't. 2 emails in, and no response. Even addressed David Nicholson through Anthro, and he hasn't responded either. Seems unprofessional honestly.

Maciamo
07-11-17, 09:46
They want to keep catering to british customers and are afraid changing the descriptions will some how alienate them I think, which is ridiculous if u want to have an international customer base.

They did update all (or most) of the haplogroup descriptions since April when I proposed to help them. They did quote my work but I was not offered to review the updated descriptions and since I only saw the haplogroup descriptions that a few people shared with me, I cannot guarantee that everything is correct. For example, in the R1b-U106 description they say "Central Europe represents where two different branches of this expansion would have met again and mingled, with R-U106 (as a branch of R1b) being more common in the west of Germany, whilst R1a lineages are more common further east (Hay 2017)". They are quoting me but I never wrote that. In fact, most of the R1a in East Germany is of Slavic origin, not Germanic. The Germanic R1a is either Z284 is Scandinavia (esp. Norway) or L664 in West Germany, which is found more of less uniformly among Germanic people, and is probably more common in West Germany than East Germany. I never wrote that there were two branches of Germanic expansion from central Europe either. Proto-Germanics came carrying R1b-U106, R1a-L664 and other R1b branches (DF19, L238 and possibly some L21 and U152) and perhaps also some E-V13, G2a and J2b2a into Scandinavia c. 1700 BCE, where they mixed with the local R1a-Z284, I1 and probably also I2a2a-L801 (unless it was in Germany), where the merger of these people slowly created Germanic ethnicity and culture during the Nordic Bronze Age (1700-500 BCE).

Expredel
07-11-17, 15:56
They did update all (or most) of the haplogroup descriptions since April when I proposed to help them. They did quote my work but I was not offered to review the updated descriptions and since I only saw the haplogroup descriptions that a few people shared with me, I cannot guarantee that everything is correct. For example, in the R1b-U106 description they say "Central Europe represents where two different branches of this expansion would have met again and mingled, with R-U106 (as a branch of R1b) being more common in the west of Germany, whilst R1a lineages are more common further east (Hay 2017)". They are quoting me but I never wrote that.
They have to dumb things down significantly, and the main requirement is that the description leaves most people happy and satisfied. Every question customer service has to answer costs them money.

People can't expect to pay $100 for a DNA test and get $200 worth of customer service. I expect this is why 23andme has removed most functionality, if a new tool or feature generates too many questions and complaints they simply remove it.

davef
07-11-17, 17:03
^^ yeah it'll be hard to explain these things to Tucker Joe from west falls Missouri, especially if he starts questioning why the villages in Scotland, England, and Germany he traced his lineages back to isn't showing up in his results.

timberwolf
22-12-17, 23:09
That is not clear to me yet. I know that 23andMe customers who were selected to be part of the reference population got 100% of their ancestry from that reference region. I proposed to Living DNA to have several views based on the depth of ancestry. For example, what is your ancestry in the last 300 years, or 1000 years ago or 2000 years ago, or 5000 years ago. It is theoretically possible to do this as smaller segments of inherited DNA mean older ancestry. However it is difficult to implement in practice, especially without thousands of ancient samples from each period. If Living DNA eventually implements this, being a participant to a regional project will only affect recent ancestry (under 500 years), so people could still get an idea of the percentage of, say, ancient Germanic, Celtic, Roman, Greek or Slavic ancestry they inherited. I think that is much more interesting than recent ancestry anyway.

That would be an extremely good idea, maybe their 'Your Ancestry through time" maps addresses this to some extent. Breaking it down into percentages, would be better however, and far easier to understand and more interesting.

Jovialis
06-08-18, 03:50
"To say thank you for your support, each uploader from now until October 31st, 2018 will soon be able to choose to see how they match and connect to other Living DNA participants. This feature is rolling out to small groups of users at a time, starting August 8th, 2018."

Just a few days away.

Does this mean this project will be completed at this time?

Maciamo
06-08-18, 17:29
"To say thank you for your support, each uploader from now until October 31st, 2018 will soon be able to choose to see how they match and connect to other Living DNA participants. This feature is rolling out to small groups of users at a time, starting August 8th, 2018."

Just a few days away.

Does this mean this project will be completed at this time?

No, the One Family One World project will last for 5 years as there is a lot of data to collect from all over the world.

On 8th August it will only be the "Relative Finder" function that will be activated. If I understood well, this will also allow Living DNA members (and people who uploaded their genome from another company) to compare their percentage of inheritance with other family members, like on 23andMe.

Jovialis
06-08-18, 19:01
No, the One Family One World project will last for 5 years as there is a lot of data to collect from all over the world.

On 8th August it will only be the "Relative Finder" function that will be activated. If I understood well, this will also allow Living DNA members (and people who uploaded their genome from another company) to compare their percentage of inheritance with other family members, like on 23andMe.

Thanks for clarifying. It will be interesting to compare my LivingDNA results (the saliva sample I sent to them) to the 23andme raw data upload I sent for this one in particular.

edwardsson
08-08-18, 09:38
No, the One Family One World project will last for 5 years as there is a lot of data to collect from all over the world.

On 8th August it will only be the "Relative Finder" function that will be activated. If I understood well, this will also allow Living DNA members (and people who uploaded their genome from another company) to compare their percentage of inheritance with other family members, like on 23andMe.

Now is the question if the »Relative Finder» function will be activated for all who signed up to the beta list or if only a selected group will have it activated from start?

martinmkp
09-08-18, 07:04
A/ Living DNA: We should support such projects as the LivingDNA Global Research Project (or One Family One World) is. Not only within LivingDNA, but other renowned companies as well. There is definitely selfish business interest from the LivingDNA owners/shareholders, but where is it not? On the other hand, it helps to deepen understanding on all questions, we all are asking on our family or mankind heritage / history.

Unfortunately, i am not able to join those projects, because of mixed heritage (and some of my "ancestral" regions do not fully genetically work either, because some of my relatives were forcibly expulsed from their homes after WWII).

martinmkp
09-08-18, 07:13
On wider regions: I think the best division of regions (working and very logical) has Mr. Lukasz macuga, who is doing the reports on Eurogenes K36. I have no reason to do advertisement for him, but up till now I did not see better report what he is provoiding.

especially on very difficult Central European geografical space, his regional divisions are working, and if I understand it well, he considers also historic beckground into strong account and chooses genetic regional data accordingly.

I can only confirm that even in my difficult mixed backgroung (Glatzer Grafschaft, Orava region, Northern Slovakia, Karpatendeutsche, Western Slovakia, Croatia) his report was considerably good. And I have noticed that there is a strong logic in his regional divisions, at least in this part of Central/Eastern Europe.

martinmkp
09-08-18, 07:27
I would love to see regions based on genetic differences not modern or latest historical geopolitical concepts. Collect DNA and let algorithms determine that.

This is excellent, exact approach. But, how would such results mirror f.e. recent movements of populations (f.e. data on Sudetenland)?

Tomenable
31-08-18, 20:29
Maciamo check your PM box I sent you something about genetic clusters they have identified so far.

piratica
05-09-18, 23:07
does this new project mean that Ldna is the best test out there, especially when everyone else can join in for free?

Twilight
06-09-18, 04:41
does this new project mean that Ldna is the best test out there, especially when everyone else can join in for free?
LivingDNA is a working progress. LDNA’s laboratory is located in England and it’s really new; they started commercially DNA testing costumers 2 years ago but technically the company was founded in 2004. As a consequence, LDNA only England; and to a lesser extent Scotland and Ireland is broken down into regional components.
If your Ancestors are not from The British Isles, then you unfortunately won’t get a regional breakdown for a couple more years.

Angela
06-09-18, 19:21
Can Living DNA raw data be uploaded to gedmatch?

Salento
06-09-18, 23:20
Can Living DNA raw data be uploaded to gedmatch?

Yes, but only on Gedmatch-Genesis.
https://genesis.gedmatch.com/login1.php

piratica
08-09-18, 00:02
If your Ancestors are not from The British Isles, then you unfortunately won’t get a regional breakdown for a couple more years.
well, doesnt this new project mean that they will actually add more regions? and its better to take the test now anyway, because later they will add you to a more specific region if they update all of their new systems? and everyone can actually take part of this new project also? - aka: "If you have all four of your grandparents born within 80km of one another".
i dont know why do they advertise other sites with this project though, because they need to take the extra Ldna test anyway to be pinpointed on the new regions more precicely anyway? so the other companies' customers can basically only match to Ldna testers and not pinpoint the exact region? .....

Salento
24-10-18, 05:52
Upgraded LivingDNA Chip: SIRIUS

... We have upgraded our SNP genotyping platform!

What is it?

... We are excited to announce that we have developed an improved SNP genotyping platform that has been tailored to match the technical requirements of the different statistical methodologies we use to analyse your data. Sirius, the new chip, has been designed using the Axiom technology from Affymetrix / Thermo Scientific, which allows a great flexibility to match every feature of the chip to our methodologies/products. In other words, Sirius will allow us to make a better use of your genetic information and to use our methods more efficiently. New features include a higher overlap between the SNPs we test for our customers and chips used by other ancestry companies and a better SNP density and distribution across the genome as we explain bellow: ....

https://www.livingdna.com/blog/370-we-have-new-chip

gidai
25-10-18, 13:25
Does the new Sirius chip which they use now, check also for other autosomal/haplogrops markers? If it is the case, that would improve the accuracy of the previous results already obtained with Ilumina. :good_job:

Let's see if they will respect their promise and update the previous results using the new chip.:thinking:

srdceleva
25-10-18, 13:29
Does the new Orion chip which they use now, check also for other autosomal/haplogrops markers? If it is the case, that would improve the accuracy of the previous results already obtained with Ilumina. :good_job:

Let's see if they will respect their promise and update the previous results using the new chip.:thinking:Yea I was wondering that, but I'm not holding my breath. And they take ages living DNA

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Jovialis
25-10-18, 13:48
I checked my results, and I haven't seen an update to them thus far. But I assume they would have to re-genotype another saliva sample on that chip.

gidai
25-10-18, 14:02
I checked my results, and I haven't seen an update to them thus far. But I assume they would have to re-genotype another saliva sample on that chip.I know they keep our samples of cheek cells. Probably ready processed to be tested.

Dibran
26-10-18, 14:29
So I got access to family networks and it is quite underwhelming. My only matches are my parents, which doesn't make logical sense. Should be some more matches in their database. Additionally, most of the features are still inaccessible and my parents profiles still do not have the option to upgrade at a small fee for ancestry results(like they claimed). LivingDNA seems to be full of empty promises.

gidai
26-10-18, 17:35
Does the new Sirius chip which they use now, check also for other autosomal/haplogrops markers? If it is the case, that would improve the accuracy of the previous results already obtained with Ilumina. :good_job:

Let's see if they will respect their promise and update the previous results using the new chip.:thinking:

I asked them the question, but their answer has nothing to do with the question ...!:petrified: Blah, blah ...:useless:
And yes... LivingDNA seems to be full of empty promises.
They are totally unreliable and I will give up all contact with them from now on.

srdceleva
30-10-18, 16:10
Living dna seems to be classically British in their behavior. I don't know what happened to the UK, maybe the post empire attitude has affected all of them because when I lived in the UK I never met more spacey and lazy people (sorry good British people) I think their country has become entirely apathetic and just doesn't care anymore about stuff.

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ToBeOrNotToBe
30-10-18, 17:12
Again it should go without saying, LivingDNA is dogshit and really needs to step up their game.

Farstar
30-10-18, 17:32
Very negative comments on Living DNA. But then, in this webpage the comparison gives Living DNA as the winner. I do not understand.

srdceleva
30-10-18, 17:37
Very negative comments on Living DNA. But then, in this webpage the comparison gives Living DNA as the winner. I do not understand.The test itself isn't bad just the company itself they way they interpret the results and how slow they are to do any of the things they say they will

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Sile
31-10-18, 19:04
The test itself isn't bad just the company itself they way they interpret the results and how slow they are to do any of the things they say they will

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They are very slow....had my data for a year and it finally went into "Downloaded DNA "...........I guess I have to wait a bit more until I see "complete"
Only comment I ever got was that I sit deep into the Alps area somewhere

gidai
09-12-18, 15:35
I am excited to announce that Eupedia is teaming up with Living DNA to launch the largest genetic ancestry project to date, which will cover most of the world's countries, regions and ethnic groups. It is called the One Family One World Project (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family) (see blog post (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/blog/291/living-dna-demonstrating-how-we-re-all-connected-through-one-world-family-tree)) and it aims to initially recruit 100,000 participants to analyse and map the genetic variations in the big human family. You can see the various regional projects here (https://www.livingdna.com/en-eu/one-family/research) (click on the region's name to access the project's page). People who have already done a DNA test with another company can upload their results and take part for free.

Error 404 !...
It's a long time since all the links to the project, aspirations and promises, go to nowhere! :sad-2:

piratica
18-01-19, 21:26
has anyone got any response about the relocation of the project onto the new website?

gidai
18-01-19, 22:15
has anyone got any response about the relocation of the project onto the new website?
Nothing! ...hoax! That's their fault.

piratica
19-01-19, 02:35
bummer... should i get 23andme then instead or what are that faults?

piratica
22-02-19, 12:49
seems like the project is still going on under here? - https://livingdna.com/research
so Ldna is still the best option out there?

Maciamo
24-02-19, 10:34
I am wondering what is happening with the One World Project too. When I contacted LDNA a few months ago, they said that the project pages were down because they were redesigning the site, but nothing has changed since and I have no news from them.

All I know is that they got a new chip (https://livingdna.com/news/living-dna-october-update-us-laboratory-and-version-2-dna-chip) in October with considerably more SNPs for Y-DNA deep clades.

piratica
24-02-19, 14:11
well, if they started it in late 2017 and it lasts for 5 years, then there is 3.5 more years to go...

the previous chip was a bit better on some parts though?
The version 1 chip contains 638,000 autosomal markers, 17800 X-chr markers, 22500 Y-chr markers, and 4700 mtDNA markers
The version 2 chip contains 759,757 autosomal markers, 15227 X-chr markers, 34216 Y-chr markers, and 3982 mtDNA markers

bigsnake49
11-03-19, 16:33
I am wondering what is happening with the One World Project too. When I contacted LDNA a few months ago, they said that the project pages were down because they were redesigning the site, but nothing has changed since and I have no news from them.

All I know is that they got a new chip (https://livingdna.com/news/living-dna-october-update-us-laboratory-and-version-2-dna-chip) in October with considerably more SNPs for Y-DNA deep clades.

Hmmm...I wonder if they will retest/update my Y-DNA result with them? I came out as R1b-M269 no further subclade. How deep did your Y-DNA subclade go with LDNA?

Maciamo
12-03-19, 10:29
Hmmm...I wonder if they will retest/update my Y-DNA result with them? I came out as R1b-M269 no further subclade. How deep did your Y-DNA subclade go with LDNA?

Among subclades of R1b-M269, I am sure that Living DNA tests P312 (including L21, U152, L2, etc.) and U106 (and numerous subclades). If your results came out just as M269, it is likely that you belong to some rarer subclade like PF7562 (found in the Balkans, Turkey and Armenia), which is negative for L23, or possibly even Z2103 (I am not sure if this clade is tested by the 1st version of the LDNA chip or not).

Jovialis
12-03-19, 12:49
Hmmm...I wonder if they will retest/update my Y-DNA result with them? I came out as R1b-M269 no further subclade. How deep did your Y-DNA subclade go with LDNA?
You might want to check out WeGenes. Most tests for me just say R1b-M269. But wegenes were able to tell me it was R1b1a1a2b1. You can upload raw data to them.

Eochaidh
12-03-19, 17:28
Among subclades of R1b-M269, I am sure that Living DNA tests P312 (including L21, U152, L2, etc.)
Living DNA got me to M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>L21>DF13>DF49>DF23>M222 from the start.
FTDNA among others, have me at M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>L21>DF13>DF49>DF23>M222>FGC4077>A725>S676

bigsnake49
20-03-19, 23:16
You might want to check out WeGenes. Most tests for me just say R1b-M269. But wegenes were able to tell me it was R1b1a1a2b1. You can upload raw data to them.

R1b-M269 on WeGene also. MtDNA on WeGene was U5a1 not U5a1b like on LivingDNA.

ntindeo
25-10-19, 22:45
I searched for data on the extraordinary project... "One Family One World Project" and ... I found only a sermon from "Church of Jesus Christ (https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media-library/video/2018-02-1020-dna-one-family-one-world?lang=eng)"... a religious site, to the believers.:petrified: They use the data from Eurofins to do the scams. :sad-2:
When the scam began to stop bear fruits, they changed tactics and now... began to do medical research, although two weeks ago they still warned that their "genotype data is not suitable for clinical/medical diagnosis"!

piratica
07-11-19, 14:43
research link does not work anymore and seems like they have also changed the prices a bit - did the old test also include the health stuff in the package or was that not so detailed anyway? and the new 99 euro package does not contain any health stuff at all then?