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Yetos
20-11-17, 01:39
It seems like the ex Yugoslavian republic of Makedonia
is turning the page,
and enters in a new climate with Greece and NATO and Europe,

the story is old from early 1900's
Makedonian struggle,
A and B Balkanic wars
WWI
WW2
Greek civil war
Cold war era
Perstroika
Disband of ex-Yugoslavian federation
etc


the problem until today is that Greece would never recogn a country
that carries a toponym that is connected to its history and territory.
also some movements created by the International Communist comittee
and G. Dimitrov
(Greek resistance against AXIS, and civil war times, and the role of Balkanic countries and Communist International, Blend treaty etc)

A composite synthetic name was in discuss for 20 years,
Fyrom suggested the term Nova Makedonia Νεα Μακεδονια
but was rejected by Greeks
Greece offered the term Slavic Makedonia (ΣλαβοΜακεδονια)
But was rejected by Skopjie,

but it seems the fear of Amber Fox 2
brings a solution from the other side of Atlantic ocean

the new name proposal is Central Balkanic Democracy
is after M.Nimetz, Βασιλακης, Naumofski plans
as also a treaty for energy, liquid gas, etc

soon will be discussed in both parliaments,
and will know more,

ihype02
20-11-17, 16:24
Republic of Vardar Macedonia.

Boreas
20-11-17, 20:30
Next Problem: How do we call people in there ?

Zanatis
20-11-17, 20:48
Next Problem: How do we call people in there ?
Republicans

Sile
01-12-17, 18:10
Paeonia

thats where the ancient Paeonians lived

The exact original boundaries of Paeonia, like the early history of its inhabitants, are obscure, but it is known that it was located immediately north of ancient Macedonia (which corresponded roughly to the modern Greek region of Macedonia),

Boreas
02-12-17, 08:17
9474
9475

Any population exchange like Greek did with Turks and Bulgarians or Macedonian Exodus. Because Even in Greek Macedonia you can see signification Macedonian population, but they are not now.

Yetos
02-12-17, 19:02
9474
9475

Any population exchange like Greek did with Turks and Bulgarians or Macedonian Exodus. Because Even in Greek Macedonia you can see signification Macedonian population, but they are not now.


why
what for?

is there a war running on?

Boreas
03-12-17, 06:38
why
what for?

is there a war running on?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Macedonia

But their number seems less now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece

Yetos
03-12-17, 19:06
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Macedonia

But their number seems less now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Greece

i Suggest you read my previous posts in threads about Makedonian Issue
and modern aproaches of population,

The Communistic era propaganda is over
search the net about this

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%AE_% CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CF%8E%CE%BD_%CF%83%C F%84%CE%B9%CF%82_%CE%9B%CE%B1%CF%8A%CE%BA%CE%AD%CF %82_%CE%94%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CF% 84%CE%AF%CE%B5%CF%82_%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C_%CF%84%CE% BF%CE%BD_%CE%94%CE%A3%CE%95


and the end of Greek civil war,
and the collapse of Communistic Idea from >25% to 6%.

as also the Monasterion Greeks,

the exchange had happened, silently
through other events,

if a new excange will happened to Europe
that will be with other Balcanic democracies.

the game of Communism expansion through Panslavism is over,
expessed by G Dimitrov leader of Communist International is over.
as also the game of PanTurkism via Ottomans


PS
search about exchange of population in the mail I send you.

Beside Boreas
the old plan has collapse
Think what will happen iF erdogan gets a No at Thursday.

Boreas
09-12-17, 20:39
The Communistic era propaganda is over


I didn't get it



search the net about this

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%91%CF%80%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%AE_% CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B4%CE%B9%CF%8E%CE%BD_%CF%83%C F%84%CE%B9%CF%82_%CE%9B%CE%B1%CF%8A%CE%BA%CE%AD%CF %82_%CE%94%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CF% 84%CE%AF%CE%B5%CF%82_%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C_%CF%84%CE% BF%CE%BD_%CE%94%CE%A3%CE%95


It sounds another movie topic :grin:



the game of Communism expansion through Panslavism is over,
expessed by G Dimitrov leader of Communist International is over.
as also the game of PanTurkism via Ottomans


Which era are we in?



search about exchange of population in the mail I send you.


I started, but I couldn't finished :unhappy: , now I am in abroad for work. Actually my company works for a Greek company in this project.




Beside Boreas
the old plan has collapse


:confused2:



Think what will happen iF erdogan gets a No at Thursday.


Very useless meeting, if you mean Erdoğan Athens visit. Time lost for both leaders.

Yetos
10-12-17, 09:56
I started, but I couldn't finished :unhappy: , now I am in abroad for work. Actually my company works for a Greek company in this project.


Very useless meeting, if you mean Erdoğan Athens visit. Time lost for both leaders.

which project? exchenge of populations? or back to Communism

No I found it very realistic and very true,
especially the next one at Belingrand,

the perfect landing for both.
and not only.
the perfect landing for many

howyesno
23-12-17, 23:43
why is name so important?
I guess that it is about teritorial claims...
Bosniaks and Kosovars are for instance newly created nation names used to give taste of being more autochtonous than other people in Bosnia and Kosovo, but Serbia didnot oppose usage of those names ...

Yetos
27-12-17, 00:02
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DR7gouBWAAEz99a.jpg

Yetos
06-01-18, 02:05
As it seems negotiations are very hard,
and Greece might even driven to elections for that.
preesure and -reactions are very very strong.

ps
time to get out of the case and furnish and polish my grandfather's gun.


back to EU directiva of 16 Dec 1991
and not a step away from them even if USA (Nimetz) wants it desperatly

Boreas
10-01-18, 19:40
I laughed hard :laughing: One of the best example how silly this conflict is.

The European voice • 15 hours ago
If FOPOG (the former Ottoman province of Greece ) continues to bully Macedonia to change its name, the latter should perhaps consider to rename it "Republic of Alexander the Great".
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/rightists-mobilize-against-macedonia-name-talks-01-05-2018


BTW it is really shame on Turkey. There is no any words about this conversations. Turkey has already locked to 2019 elections.

Yetos
10-01-18, 21:48
hahahaI 've read about a new magazine,the domino effect grows moresoon we will see more,since Skopjie ask land from Albania,it is not the 18 rocks only, but a confuzzio.I think the whole case is just a 'finger' of great powers to create mess.

Boreas
11-01-18, 20:40
I think the whole case is just a 'finger' of great powers to create mess.I don't think that a foreign finger needed. The Nations of Balkans so deeply hurt each other so they have enough material to fight till the doomsday.

Zanatis
12-01-18, 10:26
Finally the Orthodox Albanians of Macedonia are becoming more active and aware recently and that should create more problems for that country. So far they had it easy by dealing only with Muslim Albanians.

Yetos
13-01-18, 08:29
at 19 JAN
the names will be known

as it seems 5 names are on discuss

NovoMacendonski
North Macedonia
Central Balkanic Democracy
Bardaria
Bardar Macedonia

Yetos
07-02-18, 11:47
a brief history through videos and wiki

the myths of central core of Aimos pninsula

Alexandros Μακεδων


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGL_L0fok10


Βασιλειος ο Βουλγαροκτονος Basil the 2nd (East) Roman emperror
from Βασιλειος ο A ο Μακεδων (Makedonian Dynasty, to some Armenian but I believe there is a misundersting and probably Armanian or Amorian (Amorium) since after Leon 5th the Armenian a big diefference for the icons was on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHapUF_AoNY

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Basilios_II.jpg/230px-Basilios_II.jpg



tsar Samuel (emperror of Sclavinia, Ioannes Diakones chronicles, Venetian diplomat)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_of_Bulgaria

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Samuil_of_bolgaria_reconstruction.jpg/250px-Samuil_of_bolgaria_reconstruction.jpg



tsar Symeon of Bulgaria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijSzIyiXwVQ

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/03/0d/bf030df4eb01a7c8118c47d7726339f7.jpg




Tsar Dusan of Serbia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nKTSYintag

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Serbian_Emperor_Stefan_Du%C5%A1an%2C_cropped.jpg/200px-Serbian_Emperor_Stefan_Du%C5%A1an%2C_cropped.jpg



the rape of History 1947

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bled_agreement_(1947)
(also referred to as the "Tito–Dimitrov treaty")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DYzphUGI5g

Yetos
13-02-18, 19:50
nothing just trash info

LABERIA
21-02-18, 20:23
Macedonian Prime Zoran Zaev: I'm of Albanian descent! There are 25 million Orthodox Albanians in Balkans (http://www.ocnal.com/2018/02/macedonian-prime-zoran-zaev-im-of.html)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZypO4a_67WE/WoyJSE8z9-I/AAAAAAAAa7c/JsPj8-a_d5s1UCPTZXOJ9H5X9YRa0XN2ACLcBGAs/s640/Untitled.jpg

Following news that Vice Prime Minister and Vice President of SDSM, Radmila Šekerinska has Albanian roots, the media close to VMRO have declared of Albanian Orthodox descent also the Prime Minister of Macedonia Zoran Zaev.

"I have Albanian Orthodox origin, both from grandmother and grandfather since the Illyrians of Strumica accepted the Orthodox faith. Over time, the Slavs, mostly with violence, assimilated and imposed the Macedonian language.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PWi6sNx9ATA/WoyJBIz8mUI/AAAAAAAAa7Y/8lKYVe7WLe80Wx7uwZdcM83WMc4tN8O6ACLcBGAs/s640/Untitled.jpg
But all this is history. I forgive and we have to forget those things now and we should build a society and life for everyone. I do not know how to speak in Albanian because the Albanian language is not my mother tongue, but the language of the elderly grandparents, but it does not matter how we talk but important is of how we feel. I feel an Albanian Orthodox.

More than 25 million Orthodox Albanians live in the Balkans, mainly in FYROM, Greece, Albania and Serbia. That is why we easily understand the Greeks. Gruevski was fascist and ethnically pure, and with such a person can not be negotiated "- Zaev said.

ihype02
22-02-18, 12:26
Macedonian Prime Zoran Zaev: I'm of Albanian descent! There are 25 million Orthodox Albanians in Balkans (http://www.ocnal.com/2018/02/macedonian-prime-zoran-zaev-im-of.html)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZypO4a_67WE/WoyJSE8z9-I/AAAAAAAAa7c/JsPj8-a_d5s1UCPTZXOJ9H5X9YRa0XN2ACLcBGAs/s640/Untitled.jpg

Following news that Vice Prime Minister and Vice President of SDSM, Radmila Šekerinska has Albanian roots, the media close to VMRO have declared of Albanian Orthodox descent also the Prime Minister of Macedonia Zoran Zaev.

"I have Albanian Orthodox origin, both from grandmother and grandfather since the Illyrians of Strumica accepted the Orthodox faith. Over time, the Slavs, mostly with violence, assimilated and imposed the Macedonian language.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PWi6sNx9ATA/WoyJBIz8mUI/AAAAAAAAa7Y/8lKYVe7WLe80Wx7uwZdcM83WMc4tN8O6ACLcBGAs/s640/Untitled.jpg
But all this is history. I forgive and we have to forget those things now and we should build a society and life for everyone. I do not know how to speak in Albanian because the Albanian language is not my mother tongue, but the language of the elderly grandparents, but it does not matter how we talk but important is of how we feel. I feel an Albanian Orthodox.

More than 25 million Orthodox Albanians live in the Balkans, mainly in FYROM, Greece, Albania and Serbia. That is why we easily understand the Greeks. Gruevski was fascist and ethnically pure, and with such a person can not be negotiated "- Zaev said.

He must've added one zero to that 25 million.

LABERIA
20-03-18, 22:19
Five names on the table for talks for FYROM (http://www.ekathimerini.com/226901/article/ekathimerini/news/five-names-on-the-table-for-talks-for-fyrom)

Diplomacy

Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias is heading to Skopje on Thursday with a document containing a comprehensive proposal from Athens to settle a decades old name dispute with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM).

The document, Kotzias said on Monday, “addresses all of our open issues with FYROM as well as a future agenda of cooperation that will bring gains to both sides.

“I sent this agenda to Skopje several days ago,” he added.

There are five names on the table for talks, which Kotzias will be discussing with his FYROM counterpart, Nikola Dimitrov. These are: Republika Nova Makedonija (Republic of New Macedonia), Republika Severna Makedonija (Republic of Northern Macedonia), Republika Gorna Makedonija (Republic of Upper Macedonia), Republika Vardarska Makedonija (Republic of Vardar Macedonia) and Republika Makedonija (Skopje) (Republic of Macedonia [Skopje]).

The head of Greece’s junior coalition partner, Independent Greeks’ Panos Kammenos, has said he will not back any solution containing the word “Macedonia,” while there is also opposition within FYROM to Greek demands for changes to constitutional clauses deemed as expressing irredentist ambitions.

Speaking ahead of Kotzias’s visit on Monday, however, FYROM’s prime minister, Zoran Zaev, said he is confident of a solution being reached by the summer, “provided that it will be decent [solution], and respect the issues pertaining to [the country’s] identity.”

LABERIA
20-03-18, 22:25
FM Kotzias Did Get Threatening Letter Containing Bullet, Diplomatic Sources Say (https://www.thenationalherald.com/194102/fm-kotzias-did-get-threatening-letter-containing-bullet-diplomatic-sources-say/)

By ANA March 17, 2018

ATHENS – Threats against Greece’s Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias in connection with the efforts for a resolution of the name dispute with the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) are continuing and have escalated in the last week, diplomatic sources told the Athens-Macedonian News Agency (ANA) on Saturday.

The sources confirmed reports that Kotzias had received a threatening letter containing a bullet from an anti-aircraft gun, saying that this was now in the hands of the police. They also revealed that the minister’s office has been receiving threatening phone calls.

The letter accompanying the bullet urged “All that feel Greek to fight for our ideals, our history, our identity. The issue of the name of Skopje has many hidden traps.” As for the rest, the letter added, in a message for MPs, “especially for those that want to put their signature to the selling-off of our Macedonia, only one thing holds: we will wipe out their families, from the youngest to the eldest.”

Finally, it urged members of the armed and security forces to “not obey their orders, go into parliament and kill them all, stopping the sell-off to NATO and the EU.”
The letter and bullet are now being examined by police to discover who sent them, the sources said.

In a Twitter comment regarding the threats, meanwhile, Kotzias said that those morally instigating the threats on his life and physical integrity were “specific systems” that targeted and misrepresented him.

The government first revealed the death threats against Kotzias in early February, when Citizen Protection Minister Nikos Toskas told journalists that a letter saying that there were “three bullets for Kotzias and his family” was sent to the minister in connection with the activity around the FYROM issue, followed by a second letter a short while later.

Yetos
20-03-18, 22:31
Leaks report as Gorna Makedonia
or back to central balkanic Democracy

in the 'game' enters also Bulgaria

ihype02
23-04-18, 14:42
Yetos are you native to Macedonia or descendant of Greek refugees of 1922?

Yetos
12-06-18, 21:47
Severna ?????

LABERIA
12-06-18, 23:14
Greece Says Agreed to Recognize Macedonia as 'Republic of North Macedonia' (https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/06/12/world/europe/12reuters-greece-macedonia-dispute-name.html)

By Reuters


June 12, 2018


ATHENS — Greece has agreed to recognize Macedonia under the name 'Republic of North Macedonia or "Severna Macedonja", a Greek government official said on Tuesday.
Athens and Skopje have reached a deal to settle a long running dispute over the name of the former Yugoslav Republic's name, Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said earlier on Tuesday.
(Reporting by Renee Maltezou)

Boreas
13-06-18, 07:36
Hurrah, one problem is solved. Now Balkan countires have 99 problems which wait for a solution

blevins13
13-06-18, 07:39
Hurrah, one problem is solved. Now Balkan countires have 99 problems which wait for a solution

Was there a real problem?!!!


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Boreas
13-06-18, 09:34
Was there a real problem?!!!
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Definitely, yes. Maybe not Military problem like Kardak/İmia between Greece and Turkey, but politically absulately. Greece have been blocked Macedonia for Nato and EU etc.

blevins13
13-06-18, 09:47
Definitely, yes. Maybe not Military problem like Kardak/İmia between Greece and Turkey, but politically absulately. Greece have been blocked Macedonia for Nato and EU etc.

What is the problem??!!!


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Boreas
13-06-18, 12:45
What is the problem??!!!
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??? Is it some kind of joke? Actually, I am really confused. Both countries are Albanian neighbour and you don't have any idea about this conflict.

http://www.wiki-zero.net/index.php?q=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2 kvTWFjZWRvbmlhX25hbWluZ19kaXNwdXRl

LABERIA
13-06-18, 14:02
Greece-Macedonia name deal meets with mixed reaction (http://www.abc27.com/news/world-news/greecemacedonia-name-deal-meets-with-mixed-reaction/1235996484)


By:

ELENA BECATOROS and JASMINA MIRONSKI, Associated Press (http://www.abc27.com/news/world-news/greecemacedonia-name-deal-meets-with-mixed-reaction/1235996484)

Posted: Jun 13, 2018 06:47 AM EDT
Updated: Jun 13, 2018 06:47 AM EDT

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - A historic deal ending a decades-long dispute between neighbors Greece and Macedonia over the latter's name met with mixed reactions in both countries Wednesday, with some welcoming the agreement and others horrified at what they see as unacceptable concessions.

Under the deal reached between the two countries' prime ministers Tuesday, Macedonia will change its name to Republic of North Macedonia, and will amend its constitution. The agreement is expected to be signed this weekend.
The name dispute has roused strong nationalist sentiments and poisoned the two countries' relations since Macedonia gained independence from Yugoslavia in 1991. Greece argues that the term "Macedonia" implied a claim on the territory and ancient heritage of its own northern province of the same name.
The two prime ministers' efforts to forge an agreement face strong dissent, with opponents staging large protests on both sides of the border. The issue threatened to split Greece's governing coalition, and provoked a rift between Macedonia's Prime Minister Zoran Zaev and President Gjorge Ivanov.
New calls were circulating on social media for renewed street protests, with opponents on both sides arguing their prime ministers conceded too much to reach the deal.
Zaev, accompanied by Foreign Minister Nikola Dimitrov, visited Ivanov Wednesday to brief him on the deal. But Ivanov refused to discuss the issue and walked out of the meeting.

"President Ivanov ... left the meeting, refusing to talk about the achievements of this historical agreement," the government said in a statement.
Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras also faces opposition at home.
Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos, whose right-wing Independent Greeks party is the coalition partner in Tsipras' government, said he would oppose an agreement in a parliamentary vote. This would leave the left-wing prime minister dependent on support from political opponents to ratify the deal in parliament.
The head of Greece's main opposition party described the agreement as "deeply problematic." Conservative New Democracy party head Kyriakos Mitsotakis called on Greece's president to intervene so the deal can be debated in parliament before it is signed, instead of after.
On the streets of both capitals, reactions were mixed.
"We lost the country, this is a disaster," 45-year-old lawyer Mila Ivanovska said in Skopje, the Macedonian capital, and began to cry.
Greek opponents were equally angry.
"You, Slavs from Skopje through the centuries, you have never been true Macedonians," said Athenian resident Konstandinos Goutras.
But for others the deal marks a welcome end to a protracted dispute.
"North Macedonia is acceptable for me," said Svetlana Jancevska, a 55-year-old music teacher in Skopje, adding that it does "not damage my identity as Macedonian. The language remains Macedonian and that makes me happy. It was high time for the problem to be solved."
The agreement should pave the way for the former Yugoslav republic to begin the process of acceding to NATO and the European Union, and was welcomed by international officials.
The dispute was deadlocked for years but hope for a resolution was rekindled after Zaev became Macedonia's prime minister last year, replacing conservative Nikola Gruevski who had served as prime minister for a decade.
Opponents in Greece object to any use of the term "Macedonia" in their northern neighbor's name, fearing territorial claims and seeing the use of the name as a usurping of Greece's ancient heritage. Opponents in Macedonia disagree with any modification to their country's name, seeing it as a threat to their national identity.
____
Mironski reported from Skopje, Macedonia. Raphael Kominis in Athens, Greece, contributed to this report.

Yetos
13-06-18, 20:21
It is stupid.
just Stupid

Notice Makedonian language = Slavic idiom
Makedonian Dialect = Greek idiom

Nativity
both have Makedonian
citizenship
Greek
North Makedonia

Just stupid.

wine origιn
both can use term Makedonian

just a pushed agreement by non Balkanic forces,

Sile
13-06-18, 21:52
It is stupid.
just Stupid

Notice Makedonian language = Slavic idiom
Makedonian Dialect = Greek idiom

Nativity
both have Makedonian
citizenship
Greek
North Makedonia

Just stupid.

wine origιn
both can use term Makedonian

just a pushed agreement by non Balkanic forces,

I agree it should be called Paeonia

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2018/01/10/fyrom-should-be-named-paionia-as-it-was-2500-years-ago/

The exact original boundaries of Paeonia, like the early history of its inhabitants, are obscure, but it is known that it was located immediately north of ancient Macedonia (which corresponded roughly to the modern Greek region of Macedonia), and to the south-east of Dardania (which was similar to modern-day Kosovo); in the east were the Thracian mountains, and in the west, the Illyrians.[2] It was separated from Dardania by the mountains through which the Vardar river passes from the field of Scupi (modern Skopje) to the valley of Bylazora (modern Veles).

Paeonia roughly corresponds to the present-day Republic of Macedonia and to a narrow strip of northern Greek Macedonia, on the borders with the Republic of Macedonia, and a small part of south-western Bulgaria.[3][4][5][6]

blevins13
13-06-18, 22:40
??? Is it some kind of joke? Actually, I am really confused. Both countries are Albanian neighbour and you don't have any idea about this conflict.

http://www.wiki-zero.net/index.php?q=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2 kvTWFjZWRvbmlhX25hbWluZ19kaXNwdXRl

This is not a problem....this is Greece playing with history.


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Milan.M
14-06-18, 00:19
For me personally as a citizen of R.Macedonia,name like north Macedonia is acceptable, really not big deal there is many countries and regions around the world named South/North, however I am still skeptic as I think many people will oppose such a name on both sides,especially "nationalists".

Yetos
14-06-18, 00:47
This is not a problem....this is Greece playing with history.


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Greece is not playing and you know it well,
under your skin,

Yetos
14-06-18, 00:56
For me personally as a citizen of R.Macedonia,name like north Macedonia is acceptable, really not big deal there is many countries and regions around the world named South/North, however I am still skeptic as I think many people will oppose such a name on both sides,especially "nationalists".

there is no South Makedonia, and will be not as they claim ( politicians that propose the treaty)

there will be a North, the new one, the old Fyrom
and the ancient ones upper, low, but as in modern Greek West, Central, and East
Bulgaria looses the claims of the old Blent treaty of communistic era,
and tottaly loses every claim about word Makedonia
(for me it is good)

Linguistic,
Makedonian language for Skopjie identified as a Slavic family member
BUT
Makedonian dialect is a member of Greek family
!!!!!
So when I say Makedonian dialect, I speak about Greek, but when I say Makedonian language I will speak about a Slavic one?

nativity citizenship
Makedonian / Citizen of Severna Makedonia,
Greek type (*) / citizen of Greece

products,
example wine
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Severna Makedonia Macedonsko
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Greece Μακεδονικoς

it is just silly
biased fast solution, kids play,

something smells here I think.

I think energy lines will pass as it is programmed, and need something fast to enter area under NATO control
It is not strange the same time that more than 200 specialist agents arrive in a nearby country for watching ISIS reformation program.

Hives grow too much in Balkans, lately,
and strange things happen

Milan.M
14-06-18, 01:25
there is no South Makedonia, and will be not as they claim ( politicians that propose the treaty)
there will be a North, the new one, the old Fyrom
and the ancient ones upper, low, but as in modern Greek West, Central, and East
Linguistic,
Makedonian language for Skopjie identified as a Slavic family member
BUT
Makedonian dialect is a member of Greek family
!!!!!
So when I say Makedonian dialect, I speak about Greek, but when I say Makedonian language I will speak about a Slavic one?
nativity citizenship
Makedonian / Citizen of Severna Makedonia,
Greek type (*) / citizen of Greece
products,
example wine
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Severna Makedonia Macedonsko
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Greece Μακεδονικoς
it is just silly
biased fast solution, kids play,
something smells here I think.
I think energy lines will pass as it is programmed, and need something fast to enter area under NATO control
It is not strange the same time that more than 200 specialist agents arrive in a nearby country for watching ISIS reformation program.
Hives grow too much in Balkans, lately
Well Macedonia want to be part of NATO and EU for decades but is blocked with veto from Greece cause of name dispute,and why always people bring ancient Macedonia,the region was known as Macedonia from 19th century onwards with clear boundaries,people got their identity through that region,we are not speaking here about ancient neither Roman provinces of Macedonia,ancient Macedonians are from much earlier history,like ancient Britons,or ancient Dalmatians and so on.The newly formed republic of Macedonia is not ancient Macedonia,history should be left to historians,about Macedonian language (Slavic one) all linguist in the world call it as such and they don't confuse it with ancient.To add something about your suggestion,yes maybe some NATO members push for solution of the name, is not important for me at all,however is about time both countries to normalize their relations. This is my own view which is not held by everyone,as we know people believe and learn whatever they teach them,the keys again are among the politicians.

Yetos
14-06-18, 02:46
Well Macedonia want to be part of NATO and EU for decades but is blocked with veto from Greece cause of name dispute,and why always people bring ancient Macedonia,the region was known as Macedonia from 19th century onwards with clear boundaries,people got their identity through that region,we are not speaking here about ancient neither Roman provinces of Macedonia,ancient Macedonians are from much earlier history,like ancient Britons,or ancient Dalmatians and so on.The newly formed republic of Macedonia is not ancient Macedonia,history should be left to historians,about Macedonian language (Slavic one) all linguist in the world call it as such and they don't confuse it with ancient.To add something about your suggestion,yes maybe some NATO members push for solution of the name, is not important for me at all,however is about time both countries to normalize their relations. This is my own view which is not held by everyone,as we know people believe and learn whatever they teach them,the keys again are among the politicians.

Milan the only few hostile acts happened at 1990's
with the 7 days embargo by Greece, and the attacks on Greek busses and cars in Ohrid and Skopjie by Fyromians,
today there is no hostility among majority of people,
I personally pass the borders 10 times per year, and stay for weekends.
and both bulgaria and Greece guarantee this state, as also Serbia does,
that guarantee, as also the fact that about 1/3 are Albanians, made Fyrom the no 1 base of agents from all over the world, and you know it,
NATO is not so needed, since alrady Fyrom has a big base of USA troops, and kossovo is not far away,
the total estimation of bases if the big one in Kossovo completes is about 150 000 troops
40 000 in Fyrom where already exist about 3-5 000,

So it rather that Entrance in NATO is guarantee for entrance in EU.
but that can not be done if in the constitution of Fyrom exist articles about 'lost lands' and occupied Makedonia, by Greece and Bulgaria,
bulgaria has recogned republic of Makedonia,
but never recogn Makedonian ethnicity and language,

by the propose file,
there is a Makedonian ethnicity which speak a Makedonian language but it is Slavic and Slavic origin
and has nothing to Do with the Greeks and Greeks, which spoke Makedonian Dialect,
BUT WHERE NOT MAKEDONIANS, but GREEKS

So Phillip of Makedon, spoke Makedonian dialect, but was not Makedonian, he was Greek !!!!!!

it is just silly,

besides, the file says also that after the treaty Fyrom enters NATO,
and in 5 years they will change their constitution, according their progress with EU entrance,
so for 5 years in the constitution of the state, Fyrom claims lands from Bulgaria and Greece,
based in the old Communistic tretay among Dimitrov and Titto.

just stupid,

Notice
both are makedonian, to international market, both are and will use the trade mark 'MAKEDONIAN WINE'
both are produced in Makedonia according the origin
but one is made in Greece
and the other made in Severna Makedonia

http://stobiwinery.mk/content/images/mak-crveno.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ctm-tm/000157982.JPG


As for the razors edge,
it is stupid,
the guarantee of this state is certain, by all,
unless they start a war, according their institution,
playing the game 'cat and mouse'
I am the cat. No I am the cat, No I am the cat
is rather annoying,

there is no itension, even Fyrom, although in constitution, to start a war,
in fact most I ask, they love Greece, and even the most fanatics,
simply it is a political game,
and that file makes it more complex,

Boreas
14-06-18, 07:43
If there is no North Macedonia, there is also no East Macedonia. Today Greeks use the term East Macedonia which is actually part of ancient time Thrace.

Suggestion of Paeonia is just another Romantic Historiography. It has not single difference than North Macedonians' Macedonia claim.
With this perspective, there shouldn't be any Turkish place name in Anatolia or Slavic name in all Balkans. I am not even talking about New World.

Sile
14-06-18, 08:21
If there is no North Macedonia, there is also no East Macedonia. Today Greeks use the term East Macedonia which is actually part of ancient time Thrace.

Suggestion of Paeonia is just another Romantic Historiography. It has not single difference than North Macedonians' Macedonia claim.
With this perspective, there shouldn't be any Turkish place name in Anatolia or Slavic name in all Balkans. I am not even talking about New World.

The problem is keeping the name Macedonia is that the language is also known as macedonian which is today a slavic linguistic branch............do you think ancient Macedonia spoke a slavic language !.
so apart from the country's name , you also need to look at the language of the country

Boreas
14-06-18, 09:36
The problem is keeping the name Macedonia is that the language is also known as macedonian which is today a slavic linguistic branch............do you think ancient Macedonia spoke a slavic language !.
so apart from the country's name , you also need to look at the language of the country

What next's changing name of Bulgarians and Bulgarian Language? They are speaking Slavic language but Step Bulgars spoke Turkic language.

If you have a methodology, it should work on all situations.

blevins13
14-06-18, 22:47
Greece is not playing and you know it well,
under your skin,

Know what... claiming trademark for names used 2000 years ago......


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Yetos
14-06-18, 23:13
What next's changing name of Bulgarians and Bulgarian Language? They are speaking Slavic language but Step Bulgars spoke Turkic language.

If you have a methodology, it should work on all situations.

Imagine
Bulgarians to call themshelves Seljouks,
their land Seljoukia,
their language Turkish
their nativity and ethnicity Seljouk
etc

LABERIA
15-06-18, 09:21
Macedonia and Greece fail to resolve bitter naming dispute (https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/13/macedonia-rejects-treaty-greece-name-row-zoran-zaev)

Sakattack
15-06-18, 13:16
As I Greek I am really happy for this agreement, that puts finally a full stop to this dispute that started as early as 1991. 27 years we play with names, it had to come to an end.

The identity issue and their claim to call themselves Macedonians, is an irrefutable right of them and is protected from the UN. Greece can do nothing about it and couldn't do all these years. The world Macedonian itself maybe confusing and misleading when we look back at history but history doesn't stop in Alexander's Era. Since then many things changed in the region, Romans ruled, Byzantines ruled, Slavs came, new people came, stayed and eventually formed their identity. It has been 100 years now that they claim Macedonian identity and call themselves so, really hard to force them to deny it and actually nobody has the right to do so. It is good though that this agreement makes clear that this term is not a claim for ancient Macedonian heritage and culture, with the latter being tightened to Greece. Fair enough IMO.

Same applies to language, with the difference that a term like "Slavomacedonian" would be more accurate and to the point. But when you force somebody to change their county's name, change their constitution and all the territorial claims, stop heritage's and culture's claims and your will is to have a fair agreement, you should "give" sth to the other side as part of the deal.

I hope this agreement reaches a confirmation for both sides (it is not very easy) and a new Era for Balkans starts. It is crucial geopolitically for Balkans to come closer to NATO and move far from the sphere of influence of Russia and Turkey. It would be very beneficial for this country to join in some years the EU. And not only for them, but for the other Balkan countries.

Prosperity, growth and well-being are built on cooperation, friendship, open minds.

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Yetos
16-06-18, 01:58
so Turkey is not in NATO? to keep influence? :confused:

So There is no continue from antique to today?
neither in the mountains, neither 100 years before? :weird:

I suggest read the Blent treaty about the dispute, :nuts:
the ones who follow a communistic project, enter NATO today !!!

the assigment has no time limit,
the constitutional changes in Fyrom WILL BE IN 5 YEARS, AFTER THE ENTRANCE IN NATO !!!! :useless: (NEVER) :banghead:
the time of Entrance to EU and will be watched by an EU comittee, :laughing: (sure, we are safe!!!)

it will be the first entrance of a country to NATO that constitutional claims land from an already one, :heart: I :heart: NATO :grin: like in Cyprus case.
and will change it, NO ERGA OMNES

by the treaty, both countries can produce Makedonian wine, and many other products, tottaly different as name by origin and trade mark !!!! :confused2:

a comittee of Fyrom Historians and Greek Historians will rewrite in both countries the school History,
Now what? I will learn that Sandasky is a Makedonian hero?

JUST STUPID NEGATIVE ATHENEAN STATE DIPLOMACY.
AS IN THE ANCIENT TIMES,
AS IN MINOR ASIA DESTRUCTION
AS IN MAKEDONIAN STRUGGLE,

the EVOLUTION OF GREEK STATE --> ATHENOCENTRIC STATE

a treaty that has no meaning, no result, a stupid fog/hazy future
biased and forced by 'BIG FOREIGN POWERS' :chinese:

simply :mask:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKhsTXoKCI


MASTER MASTER OBEY YOUR MASTER
LAUGHTER LAUGHTER ALL I HEAR OR SEE IS LAUGHTER
WHY?

cause already Fyrom's economy is by 40% Greek investments,
that treaty makes more happy the ONLY the NEO-LIBERIANS CAPITALISTS, (behind the scenes)
like the major of Thessaloniki (you know who)
who already has huge property there (you can not imagine even if tell you) and will import cheap, killing the remains of Greek middle and small winery.


BESIDES, THE 2 COUNTRIES ALREADY SHARE A VERY STRONG TRAVEL AND COMMERCIAL BOND
THE TREATY ONLY MESS WILL BRING


ATHENOCENTRIC STATE --> ONLY THE INTEREST OF CAPITAL, NO PARTS OF COUNTRY EXISTS

Sakattack
16-06-18, 02:31
I completely disagree.

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blevins13
18-06-18, 07:19
Know what... claiming trademark for names used 2000 years ago......


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia,_Ohio


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blevins13
18-06-18, 07:20
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia,_Ohio


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A new agreement should be reached with US as well.....for Macedonia in Ohio.


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Yetos
18-06-18, 11:54
When Alexander manage to 'hold' his horse Boukephalas,
around 330 BC
he took a long ride till Axios river,
There he decide to take a bath,
he undressed and left his clothes at the riverbank,
When he come out of water, his clothes were missing,
They were stolen by a Slav, at 600 AD
millenium after Alexander found his clothes,
proud he wear them, and ride all over his kingdom.
but an Athenean 'Diplomat', 2350 after, Allied with the trans-Atlantic Persians, and all the rest,
decide, to take Alexander's clothes, by force and armed police, and give them to the thief.
so Atheneans to have peace and riches,
But the king, is not shamed,
Naked, he runs his kingdom, but he is dressed by the loved of his people,
living testimony, of the eternal betray,

Boreas
18-06-18, 12:41
Imagine
Bulgarians to call themshelves Seljouks,
their land Seljoukia,
their language Turkish
their nativity and ethnicity Seljouk
etc

Bulgar Language is Turkic
Bulgarian Language is Slavic-European

I think you are confusing.

And if your Seljouks is similar/related with Seljuk Empire. Your are worng too.

Seljuk Empire and Bulgars could be share same Khazar ancestry. Bulgars went to West and Balkans, Oghuz went to East Caspian Sea then became Seljuk and conquested Iran and Anatolia.

Yetos
18-06-18, 12:57
Bulgar Language is Turkic
Bulgarian Language is Slavic-European

I think you are confusing.

And if your Seljouks is similar/related with Seljuk Empire. Your are worng too.

Seljuk Empire and Bulgars could be share same Khazar ancestry. Bulgars went to West and Balkans, Oghuz went to East Caspian Sea then became Seljuk and conquested Iran and Anatolia.

oh really?

try to understand the irony, the black humor' behind my post,
and not to correct me,

by the 'NEW ORDER' Every one has the right to to be whatever he likes and claims.

and I am a true Mahican,
the others in America are the fake ones,

look

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/blackhawk.jpg



https://www.thecostumeshop.ie/images/detailed/9/greek_helmet.jpg


you see?
I am a Mahican

by the 'New order' I am what I want to be,

Boreas
18-06-18, 13:01
About Wine case

Samples for Thrace. Both three countries call some part of their land just Thrace

10280
10281

10282

Boreas
18-06-18, 13:09
oh really?

try to understand the irony, the black humor' behind my post,
and not to correct me,

by the 'NEW ORDER' Every one has the right to to be whatever he likes and claims.

and I am a true Mahican,
the others in America are the fake ones,

look

http://www.bluecorncomics.com/pics/blackhawk.jpg



https://www.thecostumeshop.ie/images/detailed/9/greek_helmet.jpg


you see?
I am a Mahican

by the 'New order' I am what I want to be,


Is it? Do you really follower of this New Order?

If yes, you shouldn't be uncomfortable about this.

Yetos
18-06-18, 14:39
Is it? Do you really follower of this New Order?

If yes, you shouldn't be uncomfortable about this.


follower or not,
Bulgars are Seljouks
and Seljouks came from America,
Asparouch was Seljouk
and Mohamet 2nd was German

Everybody is happy by that,
right?

gantastic NEW ORDER facts

Boreas
18-06-18, 15:29
Thank you for this high intellectual speech. I am glad that we did it.

Yetos
30-06-18, 23:26
just Stupid,

the old proposal of Yevgevic the great Hydrologist,
they are pushing some EU circles,
that is madness, the whole valley of Axios valley,
from Makedonia to Fyrom will be full by salt water,
they will destroy one of the most prosperous areas of Europe,
in order to make the South Gate,

the proposal is old, and was denied by most Hydrologists, Yevgevic included, for the sea and river levels,
like the ταφρος 66 (moat 66) which was opened nd closed in 10 years filling with salt water the valley.

the only way to do such is to make a structure equal to Panama canal of 5-6 tanks, (2-3 in sea water, and 3 at the river)
and Thermaikos gulf will be surely poluted.

It is just outrageous,

Istros river (Donau) water deposits can not be compared with Axios river deposists,
the analogy is huge,



YOU SHALL NOT PASS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4UfAL9f74I


If you (they know who) want naval terminal,
make it at Italy or Slovenia,
we will not destroy our land and our sea for your industries.

it is not also a solution to take 20% of Dunav river water deposit, for the canal, and empty it at Aegean.

2 balkan countries already become the carbage tin of industrial and toxical trash.
We will not,

make a canal to Venice, Tergeste, Istria or Croatia,
they also face mediterrenean,

Yetos
07-09-18, 08:50
What is happenning today and what will happen tomorrow at Thessaloniki and Skopjie is just outrageous.

YANKEE GO HOME.

WE ARE NOT A COLONY.

reminds the Normandy D DAY only this time has agents.


about 10% of city roads, and tomorrow all 'big roads', express ways highways will closed so to move only goreign diplomats and US army men.

GET LOST, I want my poor country back.

Yetos
07-09-18, 20:03
5500 armed greek police force,
2400 Greek police with civil form,
300 FBI agents
300 CIA agents,
800 US marines,

plus at Skopjie
1600 Deutsh men
1200 Austrian men

plus
300 Turkish agents
it is expected a meeting with Gulen suppotrers from Skopjie,

No one can walk at Thessaloniki,
I do not know about Skopjie,

Tomorrow 6 demonstrations and 1 political conferanceare planned to Thessaloniki
1 the communists
2 the nurses and doctors
3 the army and police permanent crew
4 the Makedonian antiPrespes front
5 the anarchists and the Guevara lefts
6 possible demonstrations by imigrants and refuggees at their camps.

especially the 4rth one is expected to be a big battle,
I am waiting tons of chemicals and violence to dismiss the crowd.


THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY.
THAT IS TERRORISM, AND POLITICAL VIOLENCE.

and think before 5 years, our pirme minsister declare himshelf as fan of Che,
and anti NATO and anti EU fan,

Salento
07-09-18, 23:03
@Yetos How You Doin’ ?!

“Mamma, the bad Yankee touched me. Touch me Yankee, touch me!”

A young woman complains to her mother, but in reality she really likes the Yankee.
So many in the World criticize America, but secretly “They Love America”.

The Yankees are your friends. :)

Yetos
08-09-18, 17:23
@Yetos How You Doin’ ?!

“Mamma, the bad Yankee touched me. Touch me Yankee, touch me!”

A young woman complains to her mother, but in reality she really likes the Yankee.
So many in the World criticize America, but secretly “They Love America”.

The Yankees are your friends. :)


Sure $$$$$ are good
$$$$ crusify Jesus
they can not buy a rotten left politician?
who just become minister??????
they sell a right ideolgist for $$$$$$

Some sell their mother for $$$$$$$$$$

is n't it?


in my country we know them from thousands years before,
all share the same name,
Ephialtes

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6053/5912939391_dd67781b81_b.jpg

Yetos
09-09-18, 14:55
remember

when a man dells his soul for $$$$$$

after that a new 'religion' is born,

I wonder what these children will learn,
or what we must force them to learn,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5DN4AAwUA

I was there,

I wonder what these kids feel about Pyatt and Niemetz when they grow up
and offcourse about our own ephialtes,
but the last ones are in history milleniums now,
the rest?


http://images.newsnowgreece.com/118/1187088/10.jpg


remember
Ephialtes
Alkibiades
Memnon

died away from their homelands,
Serving foreign rules,

History always repeat.


try to understand this

With FYROM,
we have not such problems,
we accept millions for tourism every year
and millions of Greeks go there
and never happened such things,


Until USA and UN came to our neighbourhood.
That is what History will write down,
or at least learned yesterday,


want more?

Salento
09-09-18, 19:34
Blame your Country for once, no others, take responsibility, Teach that to the Children.
You keep mentioning traitors and money, and If I want to know more, guess what:
What I want is my money back plus interest. All of it.
You’re being Ungrateful to the Taxpayers that Bailed you out.
If it wasn’t for those “Foreign Taxpayers” your Country would have ceased to exist, with the territory incorporated and run by 7-8 other Nations.
It’s not our fault, it’s yours, and say Thank you.

blevins13
09-09-18, 21:36
remember

when a man dells his soul for $$$$$$

after that a new 'religion' is born,

I wonder what these children will learn,
or what we must force them to learn,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB5DN4AAwUA

I was there,

I wonder what these kids feel about Pyatt and Niemetz when they grow up
and offcourse about our own ephialtes,
but the last ones are in history milleniums now,
the rest?


http://images.newsnowgreece.com/118/1187088/10.jpg


remember
Ephialtes
Alkibiades
Memnon

died away from their homelands,
Serving foreign rules,

History always repeat.


try to understand this

With FYROM,
we have not such problems,
we accept millions for tourism every year
and millions of Greeks go there
and never happened such things,


Until USA and UN came to our neighbourhood.
That is what History will write down,
or at least learned yesterday,


want more?

Come on Yetos, UN and USA loves Greeks.....what kind of history they teach you at school......without them there will be no Greece as we know it.


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Yetos
09-09-18, 21:40
Blame your Country for once, no others, take responsibility, Teach that to the Children.
You keep mentioning traitors and money, and If I want to know more, guess what:
What I want is my money back plus interest. All of it.
You’re being Ungrateful to the Taxpayers that Bailed you out.
If it wasn’t for those “Foreign Taxpayers” your Country would have ceased to exist, with the territory incorporated and run by 7-8 other Nations.
It’s not our fault, it’s yours, and say Thank you.


I said
Ephialtes we have many,
in my country
As also loonies and puppets,

The 'hidden' is this
how come with all that rich gathered in Greece,
how come the most conservative society of Europe at 1970's
become a society of '........'
the answer is in a book written by HK.

as for who to blaime,
I protest against my people and my goverment.
But the 'moral responsible', is not always the one who commited the murder.
And if that happens many times repeatidly,
as in case of Cyprus, which I blaim my country as responsible,
but the moral responsibility is others,
then the case reminds me the case of Persian wars and policy,
only this time Persia is someone else,

I said
except Ephialtes we also had Alkiviades
and the biggest enemy of Alexander was not Dareios, but Mennon

history is to be repeated,
soon we will manage to find the way, to leave the 'rotten West'
as we learn that centuries now with the 'treacherous East'

Yetos
01-10-18, 09:16
I wonder,
How is it called the politician the 'deny' the peoples choice, (referendum).
and who's will he 'represent'?

we will not be part of Brzezinski plans,
some must understand that,
no matter the cost,
as with Kissinger plans,

Balkan states are not colonies,
Neither Panama, a 'state' with out a star in flag.

and a reminder to transAtlantic friends.
Why shot him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=359&v=LKGbsj5KP-A

ToBeOrNotToBe
04-10-18, 02:07
A new agreement should be reached with US as well.....for Macedonia in Ohio.


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Yetos is unironically a moron, it's not as if he holds stupid beliefs - he's just stupid.

VMRO1893
05-10-18, 03:51
Relax everyone the Prespa Agreement has been rejected by Macedonian voters. We can now get back to how things were.
Russia and Turkey will welcome Macedonia into their future alliance and all will be well in the world.

Yetos
05-10-18, 21:55
Yetos is unironically a moron, it's not as if he holds stupid beliefs - he's just stupid.

offcourse,

the latest 'leaks' show some huge amounts of money spend in balkans,
do you wonder why?

the strange!!! not in Fyrom, not in Greece!!!!!

I suggest search the scandal with Donald Lu. the old one with R Giulani,
and G Sorros organisations

As for J Payat, he is the worse ambassador the last 40 years,
not in the finger of N Burns.
the estimation of 'rotten' money is just so poor,
but still holds our prime minister,


I suggest search the video, for who JF Kennedy speaks.

Yetos
05-10-18, 22:15
Relax everyone the Prespa Agreement has been rejected by Macedonian voters. We can now get back to how things were.
Russia and Turkey will welcome Macedonia into their future alliance and all will be well in the world.

the 'thing' is not to go with Russia or Turkey,
your indepence is secured, as your right to choose your allies,
the 'thing' is this,

https://scdn.star.gr/images/articles/660/201810/5bb46b75bdec2.jpg


does not need to have a high IQ to understand it.

as also this

https://www.foreignaffairs.gr/article-images/04022018-1.jpg

Yetos
11-10-18, 00:44
Some people, got nuts,

I have not seen more stupid thing,

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cQ9ZowlqDGs/W743sBGDCdI/AAAAAAACNQ8/kQUT8at5D5omy41qDKaPFp38n10s_C1egCLcBGAs/s640/tania.JPG

Yetos
17-10-18, 00:56
deleted, erased,

Salento
17-10-18, 02:37
Delete that Nostradamus, before big brother takes notice.

Yetos
17-10-18, 07:59
delete, erase

Yetos
17-10-18, 08:00
is it ok now?

Salento
17-10-18, 14:23
Yes.
Some Things Are Better Left Unsaid. :)

LABERIA
17-10-18, 15:49
Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias submits resignation (http://www.ekathimerini.com/233727/article/ekathimerini/news/greek-foreign-minister-nikos-kotzias-submits-resignation)
NEWS 15:08
http://www.ekathimerini.com/resources/2018-10/kotzias_web--3-thumb-large.jpg

Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias submitted his resignation Wednesday, a day after a tense cabinet meeting during which he clashed with Defense Minister Panos Kammenos over the Prespes accord.
Sources told Kathimerini that Kotzias was disgruntled over the fact that Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras failed to support him against attacks from Kammenos, who is also junior coalition partner.
According to the same sources, during Tuesday’s cabinet meeting Kammenos accused Kotzias of mismanaging secret foreign ministry funds and being a man of US billionaire financier George Sorros.
Aides close to the foreign minister said Kotzias had been “deeply offended” by the allegations.
It was not immediately clear if Tsipras would accept his resignation.

Yetos
17-10-18, 21:07
ok

I wrote something,
but I deleted it,

yesterday it was 16 Octomber,
National day for Makedonia except Thessaloniki

Notice how the youth react infront politicians,
they did not even salute majors, parliament members, politicians etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euTPfWYEcFw

Salento
18-10-18, 01:53
ok

I wrote something,
but I deleted it,

yesterday it was 16 Octomber,
National day for Makedonia except Thessaloniki

Notice how the youth react infront politicians,
they did not even salute majors, parliament members, politicians etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euTPfWYEcFw
It’s the usual generational rebellion, plus their brains are not completely formed yet. :-)
All Ideologies embraced by young people will be gradually replaced by Pragmatism with the passage of time.
They won’t be young for very long.
As they get older, they too will realize that they must adapt to the society they live in, and eventually they will also complain about the new young people.

18-25 years old, complain a lot, make a lot of noise, but the majority of them DON’T Vote.

Yetos
18-10-18, 08:40
It’s the usual generational rebellion, plus their brains are not completely formed yet. :-)
All Ideologies embraced by young people will be gradually replaced by Pragmatism with the passage of time.
They won’t be young for very long.
As they get older, they too will realize that they must adapt to the society they live in, and eventually they will also complain about the new young people.

18-25 years old, complain a lot, make a lot of noise, but the majority of them DON’T Vote.

I think you do not write as supporter of Free world,
Free world is the Future,

as for the new Order,
the global model of world based on India pragmatism.
https://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/581535506223857665/1240/10/scaletowidth


pragmatism has many faces,
After August 1963,
another president today declares fear against FED,
what about this pragmatism?

Salento
18-10-18, 17:28
I think you do not write as supporter of Free world,
Free world is the Future,

as for the new Order,
the global model of world based on India pragmatism.
https://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/581535506223857665/1240/10/scaletowidth


pragmatism has many faces,
After August 1963,
another president today declares fear against FED,
what about this pragmatism?

I didn’t take any ideological position in what I wrote.

It’s an observation on how young people change their views as they get older.

Yetos
18-10-18, 22:36
I didn’t take any ideological position in what I wrote.

It’s an observation on how young people change their views as they get older.

I also did not take any ideological position,

it's an observation on how some things keep stable, no matter they bother the 'most' strong chair (position) on planet decades now.

pragmatism has many faces,
in USA has the face of dollar, or the oposite for Amish
in EU the face of Euro, sometimes glory, sometimes ...
in China? who knows? fear party? survine?
in India everyone is forced to system, due to personal depth,
in today Syria? maybe the cold steel of an AK-47?

Salento
19-10-18, 16:44
I also did not take any ideological position,

it's an observation on how some things keep stable, no matter they bother the 'most' strong chair (position) on planet decades now.

pragmatism has many faces,
in USA has the face of dollar, or the oposite for Amish
in EU the face of Euro, sometimes glory, sometimes ...
in China? who knows? fear party? survine?
in India everyone is forced to system, due to personal depth,
in today Syria? maybe the cold steel of an AK-47?



Stoic Pragmatism is the Solution.

Having a problem, complaining, pointing fingers and blaming others, shoud be Answered with:

Do You Have a Problem?
What are you going to do about it?

Stoics hope to solve the problem by stayng within a set of rules, and if they can’t, they give up too soon.

Pragmatics don’t hope much, instead they are doers, focused, goal oriented, they are practical, they will do whatever it takes and they will not stop until the problem is solved to their satisfaction.

By combining the problem solving attitudes of Stoicism and Pragmatism an almost perfect Balance will be reached.

An acceptable and practical compromise is such as:
It might not be Perfect, but I’m Happy with it!

imo :smile:

if you are not familiar with Stoic Pragmatism:
https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2015/03/12/pragmatic-stoicism-anyone/

LABERIA
20-10-18, 00:20
News 19 Oct 18 Macedonia’s Parliament Backs 'Name' Agreement with Greece (http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/xx-macedonia-parliament-votes-on-name-agreement-10-17-2018) Macedonia's parliament voted to support the government motion to start the procedure for amending the constitution to change the country’s name, required under the historic agreement with Greece.

Sinisa Jakov Marusic
BIRN
Skopje
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/file/show//Images/Images.New/Places/Skopje/Mac%20Parliament%20Inside%204x3%20Archive%20Photo% 20EPA%20EFE%20GEORGI%20LICOVSKI.jpg
Macedonia's parliament. Photo: EPA/GEORGI LICOVSKI


With 80 votes in favour and 39 against, Macedonia’s MPs accepted late on Friday night the government’s motion to change the constitution to be able to change the county’s name - as required under the deal reach with Greece this summer.

Out of 48 MPs from the opposition VMRO DPMNE-led coalition, eight voted in favour, which was crucial for the motion to be passed.

The voting took place after a day of inter-party deliberations conducted behind closed doors and marked by high tensions and uncertainty.
Previously all legislators withdrew their requests to take part in the debate that had originally been expected to last longer.

The voting was only the first test of whether the ruling parties have secured the required two-thirds majority to get the changes past MPs.

According to parliament’s rulebook, full adoption of the amendments that would change the country’s name to the Republic of North Macedonia may take three months, or longer.

With two-thirds of MPs backing the motion, the government can now start preparing the actual draft constitutional amendments and submit them to a repeat vote, which this time will require only a simple majority.

If MPs pass the draft amendments, they will have to be sent also for a public debate after which parliament will have to vote for the third and final time. The third vote will again require a two-thirds majority.

As things stand, even now, the government has no guarantees that the final vote would again muster the required support from enough MPs.

An informal deadline to implementat the deal comes in March next year, in order for the Greek parliament to be able to ratify the agreement before Greece goes to general elections, in which political forces opposed to the agreement have a real chance of winning.

LABERIA
20-10-18, 00:25
Kammenos, Kotzias and the “€50mn by George Soros for Prespes Agreement” (http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2018/10/18/kammenos-kotzias-soros-prespes-greece/)

LABERIA
20-10-18, 00:26
Greece funds news portals in Albania and other countries in the region (http://top-channel.tv/english/greece-funds-news-portals-in-albania-and-other-countries-in-the-region/)

Yetos
28-10-18, 00:58
Greece funds news portals in Albania and other countries in the region (http://top-channel.tv/english/greece-funds-news-portals-in-albania-and-other-countries-in-the-region/)




Kammenos, Kotzias and the “€50mn by George Soros for Prespes Agreement” (http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2018/10/18/kammenos-kotzias-soros-prespes-greece/)




Laberia I told you to stop reading trash news,
especially the one from top channel.

the sum is 5 M and went straight to Zaev's party via a smal company of electricity

and G Sorros money have been found by Hungarians,
the sum the last 5 years is about 12-15 M
and we know that 7 M went to LBGTQ communities,
and the rest to Non Govermental organisations for 'refugges'

the rest you link, are just crup and stupid imaginations of prevert journalists,

there were 5 millions E,
which Kotzias spend from Foreign affairs ministry to a Greek electric power corporation,
to buy a corporation that its value is 200 000 E,
that made curious a lot,
so they found that the money went from Foreign affairs, not the electric corporation,

5*10^6 E is about 0.25-0.33 % of all the hidden of Foreign affairs found for a year,

what 50 Millions? write journalists in Albania is just stupid,
cause the new retirement cut is about 46-48 Millions,

at November end is the economical preparation for next year,
notice that Foreign affairs get about 15-20 M
and Defence about 35-45 M.
to spend for hidden purposes.


As for Sorros money,
prime minister of Hungary was at Toumba stadium the last Thursday,
and brought and give open all the pages that connect Sorros office in Europe, (Budapest) with Greece.

Sorros all over the world, is providing money to LBGT communities,
and NGO for immigrants.

He is the Godfather of today Leftists activism and Hillary C

LABERIA
28-10-18, 01:08
You are a liar Yetos.

Yetos
28-10-18, 01:24
You are a liar Yetos.

offcourse,

only the 'gate' was reveiled,
so Kotzias should leave the Goverment,

ΔΕΗ bought EDS of Fyrom for 5 000 000 E
with money from Foreign Affairs

the rest is up to TOP channel imagination and Allien hunt


https://www.naftemporiki.gr/story/1340135/ppc-purchase-of-eds-group-in-former-yugoslav-republic-of-macedonia-finalized-this-week

the CEO of EDS is Zaev's best hand
koco angjusev


now keep dreaming with Top Channel Albania.

GOOD NIGHT.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 06:58
offcourse,

only the 'gate' was reveiled,
so Kotzias should leave the Goverment,

ΔΕΗ bought EDS of Fyrom for 5 000 000 E
with money from Foreign Affairs

the rest is up to TOP channel imagination and Allien hunt


https://www.naftemporiki.gr/story/1340135/ppc-purchase-of-eds-group-in-former-yugoslav-republic-of-macedonia-finalized-this-week

the CEO of EDS is Zaev's best hand
koco angjusev


now keep dreaming with Top Channel Albania.

GOOD NIGHT.

It's very simple to prove that you are a liar. Your words:

what 50 Millions? write journalists in Albania is just stupid,
cause the new retirement cut is about 46-48 Millions,
The article of Top Channel:
Greece funds news portals in Albania and other countries in the region (http://top-channel.tv/english/greece-funds-news-portals-in-albania-and-other-countries-in-the-region/)

Top Channel has learned that Greece is funding portals in Albania and in other countries of the region.

The information is being discussed by sources that show details about the resignation of the Greek Foreign Minister, Niko Kotzias.

There are voices about a financial scandal between him and the Defense Minister, Panos Kammenos.

More than 1 million EUR were paid for several media portals and journalists in Albania, according to Top Channel.

Kammenos says that Kotzias has paid 45 million Euros, abusively, through the so-called “secret budget of the Greek Foreign Ministry”.

Kotzias declared that the “secret budget” mainly pays the Orthodox church, but also other activities in the region.

Millions of Euros were also given to businesses in Albania for building hotels and for buildings owned by the Greek minority in Albania.

Secure sources say that Greece has paid master studies for Albanian officials in Greece.

There are voices in the Greek lobbies that they pay even .al portals in Albania.

Top Channel
Where you read 50 million in the article of Top Channel? You see that you are a liar? Shame for an old man like you.

Yetos
28-10-18, 10:39
It's very simple to prove that you are a liar. Your words:

The article of Top Channel:
Greece funds news portals in Albania and other countries in the region (http://top-channel.tv/english/greece-funds-news-portals-in-albania-and-other-countries-in-the-region/)

Where you read 50 million in the article of Top Channel? You see that you are a liar? Shame for an old man like you.



There is a lie in what i wrote,
the 2017 money givenby Soros to Greek LGBTQI is 700 000 E not 7 000 000
and the total amount is 1,5 M not 15 million,

the sum that the difference among Greek goverment and economical observers is about 48-68 M
no matter the final extra at the end of the year, is about 700-850 M
Greece must cut the retirements for a difference of 48-68 M balance,
but can spend 700 M that left every year.

it is the 3.5% gain,
meaning that at the end of every year
the savings must be 3.5%,
so until that is done every spend is cut,
last year the ballance was about the class of around 60 M low,
to catch the 3.5%,
no matter that 3.5% is more than 700 000 000 M E
as also where it is spend,
it is not allowed to be spend for public cost places of work,
or Hospital costs etc
but can be spend for social reasons,
like a 'gift' to poor classes, or a help to retirements, etc

LABERIA
28-10-18, 13:10
There is a lie in what i wrote,
the 2017 money givenby Soros to Greek LGBTQI is 700 000 E not 7 000 000
and the total amount is 1,5 M not 15 million,
the sum that the difference among Greek goverment and economical observers is about 48-68 M
no matter the final extra at the end of the year, is about 700-850 M
Greece must cut the retirements for a difference of 48-68 M balance,
but can spend 700 M that left every year.
it is the 3.5% gain,
meaning that at the end of every year
the savings must be 3.5%,
so until that is done every spend is cut,
last year the ballance was about the class of around 60 M low,
to catch the 3.5%,
no matter that 3.5% is more than 700 000 000 M E
as also where it is spend,
it is not allowed to be spend for public cost places of work,
or Hospital costs etc
but can be spend for social reasons,
like a 'gift' to poor classes, or a help to retirements, etc
Everything you wrote here is a lie and i will insist with my question:

Where you read 50 million in the article of Top Channel? You see that you are a liar? Shame for an old man like you.

Yetos
28-10-18, 14:19
Everything you wrote here is a lie and i will insist with my question:

here

Millions of Euros were also given to businesses in Albania for building hotels and for buildings owned by the Greek minority in Albania.
Secure sources say that Greece has paid master studies for Albanian officials in Greece.

From your Link
so Greek Foreign Affairs ministry is building hotels in Albania!!!!!!

LABERIA
28-10-18, 14:39
here

Millions of Euros were also given to businesses in Albania for building hotels and for buildings owned by the Greek minority in Albania.
Secure sources say that Greece has paid master studies for Albanian officials in Greece.

From your Link
so Greek Foreign Affairs ministry is building hotels in Albania!!!!!!


Everything you wrote here is a lie and i will insist with my question:

Where you read 50 million in the article of Top Channel? You see that you are a liar? Shame for an old man like you.

Yetos
28-10-18, 14:51
Everything you wrote here is a lie and i will insist with my question:

i already answered you,
but you did not want to see,

Its ok

As always you wanto say the last Word,
and your word is the same with Top channel
Greek Foreign Ministry is spending the secret funds of Millions of E (50 M? from Soros?)
to Build Hotels in Albania !!!!!!
wow !!!! a new 'gate' Scandal, which is founded by the well informed Top Channel journalists.

your Link
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT
(except in your mind)


Greece funds news portals in Albania and other countries in the region (http://top-channel.tv/english/greece-funds-news-portals-in-albania-and-other-countries-in-the-region/)


from your link
''Millions of Euros were also given to businesses in Albania for building hotels and for buildings owned by the Greek minority in Albania.
Secure sources say that Greece has paid master studies for Albanian officials in Greece.''

PS
I wonder that Greece, has or has not crisis?
and capital control by ECB?
so to build hotels in Albania by the secret funds of Foreign Affairs ministry.
(notice hotels, not one but many)


End of Discuss for me.
you wanted to accuse Greece,
and you find something stupid and not connected and Link it,

while the truth of the 5 M that spend to buy EDS
that moved to Zaev via Koco Angjusev
so to buy parliamentals
the true 'gate'
you probably never heard.

And if Greece found and spend 5 M
consider how much spend the rest who visit Fyrom the last months
from USA Austria Germany France, etc
not to mention the Russians who spend to the oposite.

just finish
and expect you as always, to make the last word.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 14:54
i already answered you,
but you did not want to see,

Its ok

As always you wanto say the last Word,
and your word is the same with Top channel
Greek Foreign Ministry is spending the secret funds of 50 Millions of E
to Build Hotels in Albania,

your post,
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT
(except in your mind)



It`s not because i want to say the last word. The problem is that you are a liar. And for this reason i want to repeat my question again:

Where you read 50 million in the article of Top Channel? You see that you are a liar? Shame for an old man like you.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 15:33
i already answered you,
but you did not want to see,

Its ok
No, you didn`t answered and it`s not OK. Read your words:

Laberia I told you to stop reading trash news,
especially the one from top channel.
what 50 Millions? write journalists in Albania is just stupid,
cause the new retirement cut is about 46-48 Millions,


Here is the article of Top Channel:

Top Channel has learned that Greece is funding portals in Albania and in other countries of the region.

The information is being discussed by sources that show details about the resignation of the Greek Foreign Minister, Niko Kotzias.

There are voices about a financial scandal between him and the Defense Minister, Panos Kammenos.

More than 1 million EUR were paid for several media portals and journalists in Albania, according to Top Channel.

Kammenos says that Kotzias has paid 45 million Euros, abusively, through the so-called “secret budget of the Greek Foreign Ministry”.

Kotzias declared that the “secret budget” mainly pays the Orthodox church, but also other activities in the region.

Millions of Euros were also given to businesses in Albania for building hotels and for buildings owned by the Greek minority in Albania.

Secure sources say that Greece has paid master studies for Albanian officials in Greece.

There are voices in the Greek lobbies that they pay even .al portals in Albania.

Top Channel
and here is the link:
http://top-channel.tv/english/greece-funds-news-portals-in-albania-and-other-countries-in-the-region/
Where you read in the article 50 millions?





As always you wanto say the last Word,
and your word is the same with Top channel
Greek Foreign Ministry is spending the secret funds of Millions of E (50 M? from Soros?)
to Build Hotels in Albania !!!!!!
wow !!!! a new 'gate' Scandal, which is founded by the well informed Top Channel journalists.

your Link
WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT
(except in your mind)



from your link
''Millions of Euros were also given to businesses in Albania for building hotels and for buildings owned by the Greek minority in Albania.
Secure sources say that Greece has paid master studies for Albanian officials in Greece.''

PS
I wonder that Greece, has or has not crisis?
and capital control by ECB?
so to build hotels in Albania by the secret funds of Foreign Affairs ministry.
(notice hotels, not one but many)


End of Discuss for me.
you wanted to accuse Greece,
and you find something stupid and not connected and Link it,

while the truth of the 5 M that spend to buy EDS
that moved to Zaev via Koco Angjusev
so to buy parliamentals
the true 'gate'
you probably never heard.

And if Greece found and spend 5 M
consider how much spend the rest who visit Fyrom the last months
from USA Austria Germany France, etc
not to mention the Russians who spend to the oposite.

just finish
and expect you as always, to make the last word.
The rest of this story,for people who are interested in knowing what really happened, is how Greece even after repeated warnings made by the Germans after the beginning of the Greek economic crisis, continues to steal the money of the European taxpayers in order to promote the chauvinist ideology of Megali Idea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_Idea).
Among other things, this story shows us the primitive situation in which Greek institutions are found today and the Greek state in general even after 200 years and xillions invested by the West in this country.
Excuse me but these two ministers have any idea what deep state means? Because the only thing they did not do was to publish the list of Greek spies in other countries, always paid with the money of the Europeans.

Johane Derite
28-10-18, 16:16
Greek Terrorist Konstandin Kacifas shoots Albanian police officer in Gjirokastra. Greek media is trying to spin it as mental illness but he is a Golden Dawn member with many photos in Greek military clothing and flags which show him as a proponent of the Greek fascist Vorio Epirus (north epirus) and Megali Idea.

https://scontent.fprx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44901097_2688100301203998_2884732290645098496_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fprx1-1.fna&oh=9aedfd991558a44ea7b26d68be0ad64f&oe=5C84713Ahttp://27.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/auto_44956584_2687977554549606_1881271864072863744 _n1540728099.jpghttp://27.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Kostandinos-Kacifas-730x480.jpg
https://scontent.fprx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44944393_2688092951204733_5855646909720428544_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fprx1-1.fna&oh=e5c7784fb238808039fd7dbc8fe504f1&oe=5C41ABCB



NEWS LINK: http://27.al/ky-eshte-konstandin-kacifas-ekstremisti-i-agimit-te-arte-qe-qelloi-policine-ne-bularat/?fbclid=IwAR2ta473INuPj4u9BuSzq4BD8Y8ays9iQR4PM1Sq Oe2f6_HEyxo-RsicPOI

Johane Derite
28-10-18, 16:40
Greek Terrorist Konstandin Kacifas shoots Albanian police officer in Gjirokastra. Greek media is trying to spin it as mental illness but he is a Golden Dawn member with many photos in Greek military clothing and flags which show him as a proponent of the Greek fascist Vorio Epirus (north epirus) and Megali Idea.

https://scontent.fprx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44901097_2688100301203998_2884732290645098496_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fprx1-1.fna&oh=9aedfd991558a44ea7b26d68be0ad64f&oe=5C84713Ahttp://27.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/auto_44956584_2687977554549606_1881271864072863744 _n1540728099.jpghttp://27.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Kostandinos-Kacifas-730x480.jpg
https://scontent.fprx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44944393_2688092951204733_5855646909720428544_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fprx1-1.fna&oh=e5c7784fb238808039fd7dbc8fe504f1&oe=5C41ABCB



NEWS LINK: http://27.al/ky-eshte-konstandin-kacifas-ekstremisti-i-agimit-te-arte-qe-qelloi-policine-ne-bularat/?fbclid=IwAR2ta473INuPj4u9BuSzq4BD8Y8ays9iQR4PM1Sq Oe2f6_HEyxo-RsicPOI

Here is this terrorist maniac's facebook:

He made a status 5 days ago with 445 likes that called for "all "north" greeks to send a message" on the 28th of October.

https://web.facebook.com/kostas.katsifas.14

http://argjirolajm.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/asasa.jpg

Yetos
28-10-18, 17:01
I Agree with Katsifas,

the boy has right,
Greek flag has the rigth to be up this day to the cemeteries of WW2.


we will not stay and watch Soros to spend money to de-Hellenise the country,


as for how that Fits with subject Derite?
only you know,

brave boy
true son of Rimini Ιερος Λοχος


Today at Thessaloniki


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXDVGSvFSoM


In case you do not understand

IT IS A SILENT REVOLT OF CONSIOUS

LABERIA
28-10-18, 17:14
Here is this terrorist maniac's facebook:

He made a status 5 days ago with 445 likes that called for "all "north" greeks to send a message" on the 28th of October.

https://web.facebook.com/kostas.katsifas.14

http://argjirolajm.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/asasa.jpg

He also shot at the RENEA special forces that arrived after his terrorist attack against the Albanian Police.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 17:22
I Agree with Katsifas,

the boy has right,
I am not surprised that you agree with terrorists.


Greek flag has the rigth to be up this day to the cemeteries of WW2.



And the Greek flag is rised normaly at the cemeteries of Greek soldiers in Albania. Look at the video that you have posted here (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33027-WW2-the-first-defeat-of-Axis?p=556677&viewfull=1#post556677):

https://youtu.be/497ScYD63dk?t=181
Look this photo:

https://www.syri.net/uploads/syri.net/images/2018/October/28/auto_Screenshot_51540726934.jpg

Why you keep spreading lies?

Tutkun Arnaut
28-10-18, 18:05
Here is this terrorist maniac's facebook:

He made a status 5 days ago with 445 likes that called for "all "north" greeks to send a message" on the 28th of October.

https://web.facebook.com/kostas.katsifas.14

http://argjirolajm.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/asasa.jpg
got what he was looking for

Tutkun Arnaut
28-10-18, 18:08
He also shot at the RENEA special forces that arrived after his terrorist attack against the Albanian Police.
greek state organized terrorism! I think Alb gov should ask the Turkish Gov for reinforcment

LABERIA
28-10-18, 18:25
got what he was looking for
He was armed with a Kallashnikov and five loaders, rrougly 150 bullets. First he attacked the Albanian Police and shooted against the homes of the inhabitants of village, this village is part of the greek minority:
http://shqiptarja.com/uploads/ckeditor/5bd5ae14a3826qellohet makinaaa.jpg

http://shqiptarja.com/uploads/ckeditor/5bd5b016f308emakina ok gjirokaster.jpg

http://shqiptarja.com/uploads/ckeditor/5bd5bdefd43b8gezhoja ne vendin e ngjarjes.jpg

http://shqiptarja.com/uploads/ckeditor/5bd5caa5bc2d9shenja _001.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=d6hWFoGDHAM
Later arrived the guys of RENEA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RENEA) and asked him to surrender but he refused and continued to shoot against them with AK-47.

One bullet on the head and one on the chest and the job was done, RENEA are very profesional.

Yetos
28-10-18, 19:43
Guys just say the truth,

he raised the flag at the cemetery of Βουλιαρατες
celebrating the OXI day,

and Albanian police went and downhull the flag,
so he took the Ak-47 and started shooting.

it was a setup case of Albanian Police,
which this day went and downhull the Flag.


And as Always
another thread is ruined,

blevins13
28-10-18, 19:58
Guys just say the truth,

he raised the flag at the cemetery of Βουλιαρατες
celebrating the OXI day,

and Albanian police went and downhull the flag,
so he took the Ak-47 and started shooting.

it was a setup case of Albanian Police,
which this day went and downhull the Flag.


And as Always
another thread is ruined,

Someone just died and you care about this thread!!!!!??


Sent from my iPhone using Eupedia Forum (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Johane Derite
28-10-18, 20:01
Guys just say the truth,

he raised the flag at the cemetery of Βουλιαρατες
celebrating the OXI day,

and Albanian police went and downhull the flag,
so he took the Ak-47 and started shooting.

it was a setup case of Albanian Police,
which this day went and downhull the Flag.


And as Always
another thread is ruined,

Typical Yetos Fake News. Trying to whitewash Greek Terrorism which happened today with lies like these.

No such flag incident happened. Fake news. He posted about doing this 5 days ago on facebook and invited others greeks to do something. The creenshot is there and his profile is still active for all to see.

ihype02
28-10-18, 20:41
Greek Terrorist Konstandin Kacifas shoots Albanian police officer in Gjirokastra. Greek media is trying to spin it as mental illness but he is a Golden Dawn member with many photos in Greek military clothing and flags which show him as a proponent of the Greek fascist Vorio Epirus (north epirus) and Megali Idea.
https://scontent.fprx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44901097_2688100301203998_2884732290645098496_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fprx1-1.fna&oh=9aedfd991558a44ea7b26d68be0ad64f&oe=5C84713Ahttp://27.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/auto_44956584_2687977554549606_1881271864072863744 _n1540728099.jpghttp://27.al/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Kostandinos-Kacifas-730x480.jpg
https://scontent.fprx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44944393_2688092951204733_5855646909720428544_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.fprx1-1.fna&oh=e5c7784fb238808039fd7dbc8fe504f1&oe=5C41ABCB
NEWS LINK: http://27.al/ky-eshte-konstandin-kacifas-ekstremisti-i-agimit-te-arte-qe-qelloi-policine-ne-bularat/?fbclid=IwAR2ta473INuPj4u9BuSzq4BD8Y8ays9iQR4PM1Sq Oe2f6_HEyxo-RsicPOI
He was probably mentally ill though ... don't care.
Maybe in heaven he might find out that his ancestors were assimilated Albano-Vlach Ottoman dhimmis.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 20:43
He was probably mentally ill though ... don't care.

Maybe in heaven he may find out that his accenstors were assimilated Albano-Vlach Ottoman dhimmis.
No, he was not mentally ill.

Yetos
28-10-18, 21:02
100 Albanian police and Special forces

shoot 1 mentally ill?

ome on guys
Face the truth.

typically set up case,
provocative behavour by Albanian police,
which dowhull the flag such day,
and not only this
they did not expected the diplomatic forces
which were on the way.

Typically assasination

2 shots in chest
and
1 in the head
SHOWS EXECUTION
not a fight

Johane Derite
28-10-18, 21:12
100 Albanian police and Special forces

shoot 1 mentally ill?

ome on guys
Face the truth.

typically set up case,
provocative behavour by Albanian police,
which dowhull the flag such day,
and not only this
they did not expected the diplomatic forces
which were on the way.

Typically assasination

He smuggled a Kalashnikov and five loaders into Albania. That is pre-emptive and shows clear intent to commit Terrorism.

He wrote a status 5 days ago with 445 likes where he called on others to do something extreme on this day. There can be no clearer case of Planned Terrorism.

You are trying desperately to whitewash and deflect the blame but its pathetic.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 21:15
100 Albanian police and Special forces

shoot 1 mentally ill?

ome on guys
Face the truth.

typically set up case,
provocative behavour by Albanian police,
which dowhull the flag such day,
and not only this
they did not expected the diplomatic forces
which were on the way.

Typically assasination
Today in Bularat:
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/708x320/public/vouliarati708.jpg
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331440_iefimerida.jpg?itok=No49N_zW
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331439_iefimerida.jpg?itok=1Nbw18h3
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331438_iefimerida.jpg?itok=dNYPnGW3
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331437_iefimerida.jpg?itok=PwtVGTr9
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331436_iefimerida.jpg?itok=QQExEa_N
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331435_iefimerida.jpg?itok=YU93FVjj
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/331425_iefimerida.jpg?itok=8Mq-o3t3
And many other photos that you can find in the article of this greek newspaper:
http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/454533/voyliarates-alvanias-oi-ekdiloseis-gia-tin-28i-oktovrioy-ekei-opoy-xekinise-epeisodio-me
As you can see, people were free to keep greek flags.
Seriously, Yetos, you need a doctor.

Yetos
28-10-18, 21:16
He smuggled a Kalashnikov and five loaders into Albania. That is pre-emptive and shows clear intent to commit Terrorism.

He wrote a status 5 days ago with 445 likes where he called on others to do something extreme on this day. There can be no clearer case of Planned Terrorism.

You are trying desperately to whitewash and deflect the blame but its pathetic.


2 shots in chest
and
1 in head

SHOWS EXECUTION

LABERIA
28-10-18, 21:19
2 shots in chest
and
1 in head

SHOWS EXECUTION

RENEA

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RENEA)Equipment
Sniper Rifles

Sako TRG M10 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sako_TRG_M10)
Sako TRG-42 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sako_TRG-42)
Heckler & Koch HK417 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK417)




(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RENEA)

LABERIA
28-10-18, 21:26
He smuggled a Kalashnikov and five loaders into Albania. That is pre-emptive and shows clear intent to commit Terrorism.

He wrote a status 5 days ago with 445 likes where he called on others to do something extreme on this day. There can be no clearer case of Planned Terrorism.

You are trying desperately to whitewash and deflect the blame but its pathetic.
From this greek newspaper:

Eνδεικτικές είναι κάποιες από τις αναρτήσεις του:
Gg translation:

Some of his posts are indicative:
http://www.iefimerida.gr/sites/default/files/styles/in_article/public/katsifass.jpg?itok=0IIoN0FA

source:
http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/454517/alvania-i-astynomia-skotose-ton-omogeni-poy-ypsose-tin-elliniki-simaia-sto-argyrokastro

Yetos
28-10-18, 21:40
@ to all

we all know what happened,

the Boy raised the flag to celebrate at Βουλαριατες cemetery
which must have 3 flags
central for Albania
and the side ones of EU and Greece.

Albanian police Downhull the flag at the middle of the day,
the boy took phone to the Diplomatic forces at Tirana and Ioannina
the police 3 cars gathered to arrest him,
he took his Ak and went to Δροπολις Aquadect to hide,
and wait for the diplomatic forces,
in less than an hour Albanian Special forces gathered 100 men
which were nearby, waiting hidden
and EXECUTE HIM.
WITHOUT EVEN WAIT THE DIPLOMATIC FORCES.

come on,

A mentally ill gets Ι5 and dismised from Greek special forces,
the boy suffered the training and did not expelled or dismised
and now you claiming Illness?

COME ON

LABERIA
28-10-18, 21:44
@ to all

we all know what happened,

the Boy raised the flag to celebrate at Βουλαριατες cemetery
which must have 3 flags
central for Albania
and the side ones of EU and Greece.

Albanian police Downhull the flag at the middle of the day,
the boy took phone to the Diplomatic forces at Tirana and Ioannina
the police 3 cars gathered to arrest him,
he took his Ak and went to Δροπολις Aquadect to hide,
and wait for the diplomatic forces,
in less than an hour Albanian Special forces gathered 100 men
which were nearby, waiting hidden
and EXECUTE HIM.
WITHOUT EVEN WAIT THE DIPLOMATIC FORCES.

come on,

A mentally ill gets Ι5 and dismised from Greek special forces,
the boy suffered the training and did not expelled or dismised
and now you claiming Illness?

COME ON

And as always you are liar. Read your minister who was present in Bularat today:

Σημερα στο νεκροταφειο πεσοντων στους Βουλιαρατες κοντα στην Κλεισουρα για να τιμησουμε τους Ελληνες πεσοντες. Ημερα μνημης στον τοπο που επεσαν. Πυκνη συγκινηση αναμεσα στα βουνα που πολεμησαν με πατριωτισμο εναντιον του φασισμου. Παντου ελληνικες σημαιες, παροντες εκπροσωποι της ελληνικης και αλβανικης κυβερνησης, η πρεσβης της Ελλαδας, βουλευτες, δημαρχοι, πληθος κοσμου και παιδια του σχολειου. Δοξολογια, καταθεση στεφανων, ομιλια της πρεσβεως, εθνικος υμνος Ελλαδας και Αλβανιας, ποιηματα παιδιων. Φυγαμε στις τρεις το μεσημερι χωρις να εχει υπαρξει καμια ανησυχια. Στο μεταξυ ειχαμε πληροφορηθει οτι καποιος ομογενης με καλασνικοφ ειχε απειλησει το πρωι να πυροβολησει θεωρωντας οτι η συμφωνια των δυο κυβερνησεων να αποκαταστησουν τη μνημη των νεκρων ηταν προδοσια. Καμια ελληνικη σημαια δεν κατεβηκε, ολες ηταν υψωμενες. Μετα τις 3μμ στο δρομο της επιστροφης πληροφορηθηκαμε οτι ο ομογενης περικυκλωθηκε, η αστυνομια του ζητησε να παραδοθει, δεν παραδοθηκε και τον σκοτωσαν. Ηταν ενα τραγικο συμβαν που κανεις μας σημερα ολο το πρωι, μεσα στην ατμοσφαιρα συγκινησης που επικρατουσε, δεν μπρουσε να φανταστει.
https://scontent.ftia2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/44931414_10216904791868920_189701361070243840_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.ftia2-1.fna&oh=dd0117b49a28a88a16d749e9c8a56252&oe=5C4F1B2C
https://www.protagon.gr/epikairotita/alvania-nekros-apo-pyra-astynomikwn-omogenis-pou-ypswse-tin-elliniki-simaia-sto-argyrokastro-44341715640

Yetos
28-10-18, 22:16
He smuggled a Kalashnikov and five loaders into Albania. That is pre-emptive and shows clear intent to commit Terrorism.

He wrote a status 5 days ago with 445 likes where he called on others to do something extreme on this day. There can be no clearer case of Planned Terrorism.

You are trying desperately to whitewash and deflect the blame but its pathetic.

Derite

Once Face the truth,
all AK-47
were Albanian guns,
and were smuggled by Albanians by the 'Pyramid banks' era,

THERE was no need to enter an Ak-47 to Albania
Just to buy it from an Albanian who stole it at the Pyramid bankinh era,

Spring of 1997,
Brand new Kalaznikof, fresh from the box.

Αυλωνα 1997-1998
tenths of Thousands of Ak-47 and other guns were stollen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prnfb794D6s

Yetos
28-10-18, 22:26
And as always you are liar. Read your minister who was present in Bularat today:

https://scontent.ftia2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p526x296/44931414_10216904791868920_189701361070243840_n.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.ftia2-1.fna&oh=dd0117b49a28a88a16d749e9c8a56252&oe=5C4F1B2C
https://www.protagon.gr/epikairotita/alvania-nekros-apo-pyra-astynomikwn-omogenis-pou-ypswse-tin-elliniki-simaia-sto-argyrokastro-44341715640


2 shots in chest,
and 1 in head is not a fight result,
rather an execution.

LABERIA
28-10-18, 22:32
2 shots in chest,
and 1 in head is not a fight result,
rather an execution.

The translation of the post of your Minister who rapresented Greek Government in this ceremony:
Google translation:

"Today, in the grave of martyrs in Bularat, we honored our Greek soldiers. Memorial in the place where they lost their lives. Emotions among the mountains where they fought with patriotism against fascism. Everywhere Greek flags, representatives of the Greek and Albanian government, Greek ambassadors, deputies, mayors, students, plain inhabitants. We set the crowns, heard the speeches, the Albanian and Greek anthems, children's poems. We left at noon quiet at 15.00. During the road we were informed that a homogenous one had threatened Kalashnikov's morning by considering the agreement between the two governments for the martyrs cemetery and the reverence of their memory a betrayal!

No Greek flag fell, they were all elevated. After 15.00, on the way back we were informed that homogeneous was surrounded by police, asked to surrender, did not surrender and killed. Nor could we imagine the tragic incident in the very exciting atmosphere of the morning.
You see that you are a liar.
Next time go play this kind of games in Athens and not in our country.

Johane Derite
28-10-18, 22:39
The translation of the post of your Minister who rapresented Greek Government in this ceremony:
Google translation:

You see that you are a liar.
Next time go play this kind of games in Athens and not in our country.

He is in desperation trying to do damage control and deflecting the blame.

Meanwhile the same type of Terrorist fanatics are currently protesting outside the Albanian embassy in Greece with Terrorist chants such as:

"Kill Albanians with Fire and Ax"


VIDEO: https://web.facebook.com/SarandaWeb.net/videos/701755150197528/

blevins13
29-10-18, 00:30
2 shots in chest,
and 1 in head is not a fight result,
rather an execution.

Feel bad for this young boy that threw his life in vain....one question, how Greek special forces tread similar situations?


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ihype02
29-10-18, 00:52
Since when did the Greeks get the right to shoot someone for taking off thier flag? Which it did not even happen.

Tutkun Arnaut
29-10-18, 01:21
No, he was not mentally ill.

I am about to change my mind. He could have had some kind of sickness. I don't think someone send him to do what he did, even the extremist groups. If he wanted to kill police or civilians he could have done it since he had the element of surprise. His killing even though justified, should not be seen as a great success since he was not normal person.

Yetos
29-10-18, 02:13
All I see is some blind Albanians,

if the man had an Ak-47 and was trained, as volunteer forSpecial forces ranger militia (Τολμων Νικα)
he could surely kill 2-3 civilians,
OR take some hostages,
etc etc,

The man got 2 shots in Chest
and 1 in Head,
THAT is a clear execution.


So it is Obvious that Albanian Police is terrorizing and Executes,

No Civilian wounded,
No Hostage taken
clear shots, probably from near distance so to be accurate,

EVEN A BLIND MAN CAN SEE,
THAT THE MAN WAS EXECUTED BY ALBANIAN POLICE AND ALBANIAN SPECIAL FORCES.

THE QUESTION IS WHY?

blevins13
29-10-18, 13:05
All I see is some blind Albanians,

if the man had an Ak-47 and was trained, as volunteer forSpecial forces ranger militia (Τολμων Νικα)
he could surely kill 2-3 civilians,
OR take some hostages,
etc etc,

The man got 2 shots in Chest
and 1 in Head,
THAT is a clear execution.


So it is Obvious that Albanian Police is terrorizing and Executes,

No Civilian wounded,
No Hostage taken
clear shots, probably from near distance so to be accurate,

EVEN A BLIND MAN CAN SEE,
THAT THE MAN WAS EXECUTED BY ALBANIAN POLICE AND ALBANIAN SPECIAL FORCES.

THE QUESTION IS WHY?




Feel bad for the dead boy, but answer this, how Greek police apprehends individuals armed with AK-47 shooting towards them. How they eliminate this type of threat? Than we can judge if what Albanian SWAT acts were excessive.....or take US SWAT and see how they proceed and compare with what happens yesterday......


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Yetos
29-10-18, 13:18
Feel bad for the dead boy, but answer this, how Greek police apprehends individuals armed with AK-47 shooting towards them. How they eliminate this type of threat? Than we can judge if what Albanian SWAT acts were excessive.....or take US SWAT and see how they proceed and compare with what happens yesterday......


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I suggest read the stories of Albanians who shot with AK-47 the police

Alket Rizai
Marian Kolla
Halili Julian
Phillip Mezai
Flamour Pisli
and others etc etc

As also the story of Greeks like
Πασσαρης
Μαζιωτης
And others

it is tottaly different the sudden fight
and the 100 men and helicopters vs one,
at the second you just wait and watch for police psycologists to negotiate


remember the 1999 case of Flamour Pisli,
the Albanian Police not only execute him,
but also a hostage

blevins13
29-10-18, 14:27
I suggest read the stories of Albanians who shot with AK-47 the police

Alket Rizai
Marian Kolla
Halili Julian
Phillip Mezai
Flamour Pisli
and others etc etc

As also the story of Greeks like
Πασσαρης
Μαζιωτης
And others

it is tottaly different the sudden fight
and the 100 men and helicopters vs one,
at the second you just wait and watch for police psycologists to negotiate


remember the 1999 case of Flamour Pisli,
the Albanian Police not only execute him,
but also a hostage

Give us a straight answer....what Albanian SWAT missed in the process of apprehending him.


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Yetos
29-10-18, 15:36
Give us a straight answer....what Albanian SWAT missed in the process of apprehending him.


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Negotiations, and the victim's view,
Less than few km away there were both Greek and Albanian officers and politicians,
who could Negotiate the surrender, If Albanian police has no negotiation department
same thing happened with Flamour Pisli
Albanian police opened fire, with out negotiations, to a blocked stoped bus
killing a hostage.

I gave straight answer.

<<I suggest read the stories of Albanians who shot with AK-47 the police

Alket Rizai
Marian Kolla
Halili Julian
Phillip Mezai
Flamour Pisli
and others etc etc

As also the story of Greeks like
Πασσαρης
Μαζιωτης
And others >>

LABERIA
29-10-18, 16:14
I suggest read the stories of Albanians who shot with AK-47 the police

Alket Rizai
Marian Kolla
Halili Julian
Phillip Mezai
Flamour Pisli
and others etc etc

As also the story of Greeks like
Πασσαρης
Μαζιωτης
And others

it is tottaly different the sudden fight
and the 100 men and helicopters vs one,
at the second you just wait and watch for police psycologists to negotiate


remember the 1999 case of Flamour Pisli,
the Albanian Police not only execute him,
but also a hostage
There is something you do not understand or do not want to understand. The people you mentioned are ordinary criminals, even there is a personal story behind them as in the case of Flamur Pisli. There are hundreds of inocent Albanians killed in Greccia many times by the forces of the Greek order without reasons, just because they were Albanians. We never forget and never forgive. Hundreds of Albanians.
The person we are talking here was a terrorist. He had been or was also a member of the Greek special forces, in these cases you never know the truth. He had arrived in the village with a precise plan, and was him who announced it in social media. For no reason he began to shoot in the air and against the houses of the village. Nobody has lowered the Greek flag, was the same Greek Minister who told this to us, the highest representative of the Greek government that was present on the place that tells us. 5 Albanian policemen who were on patrol in the area were informed about the incident and arrived immediately on the spot. They asked to the terrorist to drop down the weapon and to surrender to the police. He, armed with an AK-47, did not accept the police appeal and fired at the police patrol. In this situation, following the regulations, the patrol requested the intervention of the RENEA special forces. 30 memmbers from the RENEA arrived at the place and asked the terrorist to hand over the weapon and surrender. He did not accepted and responded by shooting against special forces. After this special forces have responded to the fire and the terrorist has been eliminated. This is the story. There is not a 100 vs 1. Although in such situations, the manual foresees the engagement of even a thousand men if this is required in the case of a terrorist hunt or if the terrain is difficult, forest, swamp, etc.
Stop supporting the terrorists.

Yetos
29-10-18, 18:13
There is something you do not understand or do not want to understand. The people you mentioned are ordinary criminals, even there is a personal story behind them as in the case of Flamur Pisli. There are hundreds of inocent Albanians killed in Greccia many times by the forces of the Greek order without reasons, just because they were Albanians. We never forget and never forgive. Hundreds of Albanians.
The person we are talking here was a terrorist. He had been or was also a member of the Greek special forces, in these cases you never know the truth. He had arrived in the village with a precise plan, and was him who announced it in social media. For no reason he began to shoot in the air and against the houses of the village. Nobody has lowered the Greek flag, was the same Greek Minister who told this to us, the highest representative of the Greek government that was present on the place that tells us. 5 Albanian policemen who were on patrol in the area were informed about the incident and arrived immediately on the spot. They asked to the terrorist to drop down the weapon and to surrender to the police. He, armed with an AK-47, did not accept the police appeal and fired at the police patrol. In this situation, following the regulations, the patrol requested the intervention of the RENEA special forces. 30 memmbers from the RENEA arrived at the place and asked the terrorist to hand over the weapon and surrender. He did not accepted and responded by shooting against special forces. After this special forces have responded to the fire and the terrorist has been eliminated. This is the story. There is not a 100 vs 1. Although in such situations, the manual foresees the engagement of even a thousand men if this is required in the case of a terrorist hunt or if the terrain is difficult, forest, swamp, etc.
Stop supporting the terrorists.


No Comment,

The case of Katsifas is a clear execution,
for many reasons,

In fact the Albanian police should also arrest the policeman
who armed his gun, when Katsifas asked the reason of downhull the flag,

The whole case says the the victim was decided to be killed
and never brought to Justice,
The role of Police is to bring the criminals to Justice
not to execute them.

As for the story,
I prefer the truth and eye witness saying,
The man makes the same post at facebook 2 years,
raises the 2 falgs for second year,
2 police cars go straight to him and downhull one flag,
when Katsifas ask why,
one policeman pulls over his jacket show him the gun,
nobody knows what they said,
and as katsifas moves to home,
the police man get his gun gun and armed it !!!!

Katsifas takes his Albanian Ak-47
and shoots the police cars,

HE KILLS NOBODY,
HE TAKES NO HOSTAGES,
HE USES NO EXPLOSIVES,
so his intense is not to terrorise,
neither to make a revolution,
it is personal among him and the policeman,

he takes the mountains and hides to an aquadect
he has max 60 bullets.
the shots are mentioned for hours,
imposible,
so what happened,

Either Katsifas run off bullets and make a 'heroic exit'
either katsifas the time he negotiate or surrended got 2 in chest and 1 in head by near distance,
and SWAT kept shooting to terorize the crowd at the village, or give impressions.

What is the strange,
so many Greek and Albanian high class political persons there,
none was asked for negotiations,no mention of the dialogue, among the negotiations department and the victim,
not even recorded so to be used at justice courts,

all these mean one thing,
the man was a romantic patriot,
who was provoked by a policeman, who played the God,
and was executed without a trial,
for reasons Albanian police knows,
and hides.

the whole case does not show a mental illness,
neither a terrorist,
Katsifas does not terrorise mases and humans,
neither uses them as shield,
he was provoked by a policeman,
and answer to him.

Albanian police must find who the policeman was and pass him from from trial

there are many dark s8ubjects in case,
as the purpose of Rama to categorise him as a mental ill,
that shows tottaly diiferent truth than the one Albanian provides,

It is clear that we speak about an execution
by the typical way of all over the world policemans to bring the victim in anger
so to make the mistake,

IT WAS A SETUP CASE,

blevins13
29-10-18, 18:45
Negotiations, and the victim's view,
Less than few km away there were both Greek and Albanian officers and politicians,
who could Negotiate the surrender, If Albanian police has no negotiation department
same thing happened with Flamour Pisli
Albanian police opened fire, with out negotiations, to a blocked stoped bus
killing a hostage.

I gave straight answer.

<<I suggest read the stories of Albanians who shot with AK-47 the police

Alket Rizai
Marian Kolla
Halili Julian
Phillip Mezai
Flamour Pisli
and others etc etc

As also the story of Greeks like
Πασσαρης
Μαζιωτης
And others >>

So according to you this is a case of Albanian Swat being unprofessional, not racist.....right?


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Yetos
29-10-18, 19:05
So according to you this is a case of Albanian Swat being unprofessional, not racist.....right?


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I never spoke of racism,
I added some more plz read them.

the unproffesional stance has 3 positions,
either indeed are more soldier like trained than true policemans, clear unproffesional
as in case of Flamour Pisli,

either they are trully well trained but wanted to exterminate him,
for many possible reasons,

either wanted to make an impressive show of ability and who is the boss,
by shooting for 6 hours outside the village,
they analyze his psycology the last year, and found the perfect one who could help their plan.

LABERIA
29-10-18, 19:35
No Comment,
The case of Katsifas is a clear execution,
for many reasons,
In fact the Albanian police should also arrest the policeman
who armed his gun, when Katsifas asked the reason of downhull the flag,
The whole case says the the victim was decided to be killed
and never brought to Justice,
The role of Police is to bring the criminals to Justice
not to execute them.
As for the story,
I prefer the truth and eye witness saying,
The man makes the same post at facebook 2 years,
raises the 2 falgs for second year,
2 police cars go straight to him and downhull one flag,
when Katsifas ask why,
one policeman pulls over his jacket show him the gun,
nobody knows what they said,
and as katsifas moves to home,
the police man get his gun gun and armed it !!!!
Katsifas takes his Albanian Ak-47
and shoots the police cars,
HE KILLS NOBODY,
HE TAKES NO HOSTAGES,
HE USES NO EXPLOSIVES,
so his intense is not to terrorise,
neither to make a revolution,
it is personal among him and the policeman,
he takes the mountains and hides to an aquadect
he has max 60 bullets.
the shots are mentioned for hours,
imposible,
so what happened,
Either Katsifas run off bullets and make a 'heroic exit'
either katsifas the time he negotiate or surrended got 2 in chest and 1 in head by near distance,
and kept shooting to terorize the crowd at the village
What is the strange,
so many Greek and Albanian high class political persons there,
none was asked for negotiations,no mention of the dialogue, among the negotiations department
and the victim, not even recorded so to be used at justice courts,
all these mean one thing,
the man was a romantic patriot,
who was provoked by a policeman, who played the God,
and was executed without a trial,
for reasons Albanian police knows,
and hides.
the whole case does not show a mental illness,
neither a terrorist,
Katsifas does not terrorise mases and humans,
neither uses them as shield,
he was provoked by a policeman,
and answer to him.
Albanian police must find who the policeman was and pass him from from trial
there are many dark s8ubjects in case,
as the purpose of Rama to categorise him as a mental ill,
that shows tottaly diiferent truth than the one Albanian provides,
It is clear that we speak about an execution
by the typical way of all over the world policemans to bring the victim in anger
so to make the mistake,

IT WAS A SETUP CASE,

Until now you didn't quoted a single source to back your claims. Go read again what your Minister declared and stop spreading lies and disinformation. Thanks to the professionalism of the Albanian police the terrorists was eleminated. Hundreds of Albanian mothers have been dressed in black and cry their sons killed by the Greeks, many times unjustly from Greek police and many times from the friends of this terrorist, organizations like M. A. V. I, etc. Enough. If you want to remove Tsipras from power, follow the democratic way through the election like every civilized country in the world. Honestly, i am surprised this time with FYROM or North Macedonia, they played smarter this time and you are trapped.

LABERIA
29-10-18, 19:53
I never spoke of racism,
I added some more plz read them.

the unproffesional stance has 3 positions,
either indeed are more soldier like trained than true policemans, clear unproffesional
as in case of Flamour Pisli,

either they are trully well trained but wanted to exterminate him,
for many possible reasons,

either wanted to make an impressive show of ability and who is the boss,
by shooting for 6 hours outside the village,
they analyze his psycology the last year, and found the perfect one who could help their plan.

Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis), important Greek politician and former Prime Minister's Antonis Samaras advisor ask for:
"Greek Air Force Bombard Albania" ... revenge for the death of 35-year-old Constantine Katsifos. The solution is to bomb the Albanian police headquarters and the camp of special police force that Rama can receive this message "
<span id="result_box" class="" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu95sCt9khw&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=3&amp;fbclid=Iw AR10laZDU8oLC3CX1Bkcy3yvfVooysjfpZDMsJpwez46gZCDsm g32g5FxAw
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Terrorism is deep rooted in Greece.

Yetos
29-10-18, 20:28
Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis), important Greek politician and former Prime Minister's Antonis Samaras advisor ask for:
"Greek Air Force Bombard Albania" ... revenge for the death of 35-year-old Constantine Katsifos. The solution is to bomb the Albanian police headquarters and the camp of special police force that Rama can receive this message "
<span id="result_box" class="" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu95sCt9khw&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=3&amp;fbclid=Iw AR10laZDU8oLC3CX1Bkcy3yvfVooysjfpZDMsJpwez46gZCDsm g32g5FxAw
Δήλωση Φαήλου Κρανιδιώτη για την δολοφονία του Κωνσταντίνου Κατσίφα

Terrorism is deep rooted in Greece.

NO COMMENT

I am not going to discuss this,
I want to consider you more clever,
than your post/link about bombing Albania.
except if you are a fun of Top channel Albania. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
cause such places can be found everywhere,
and most of us 'bite', at least sometimes,
they are the gates and portal of misinformation,

LABERIA
29-10-18, 20:33
NO COMMENT

I am not going to discuss this,
I want to consider you more clever,
than your post/link about bombing Albania.
except if you are a fun of Top channel Albania. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
cause such places can be found everywhere,
and most of us 'bite', at least sometimes,
they are the gates and portal of misinformation,
Peshkëpi killing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshk%C3%ABpi_killing)

LABERIA
29-10-18, 21:21
Look at this short video. You can see the greek terrorist shooting in the middle of the village. You can see that he added accessories to the Kalashnikov by converting it into a snaiper, you see the binoculars on the weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&amp;v=sb5RjLGLWCo

Yetos
29-10-18, 21:35
Peshkëpi killing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshk%C3%ABpi_killing)

If you want to expand more to politics,
I can do it also,

So I stop here
so you stop it here,
Before we go back and who is violating who and who is bulling who,

Ok?

cause at October and November of 1994 I was making my obligations at Aetomilitsa and Delvino,
and i know exactly what happened, as also with other strange murders there.

So I suggest to close the discuss here,
and not start another post war, since this case is dating more than 100 years, officially
and centuries unofficially.

LABERIA
29-10-18, 21:37
If you want to expand more to politics,
I can do it also,

So I stop here
so you stop it here,
Before we go back and is violeting who and who is bulling who,

Ok?

Yetos, stick in your head, there is not a single person that takes seriously the things you say in this forum.

Yetos
29-10-18, 21:45
Yetos, stick in your head, there is not a single person that takes seriously the things you say in this forum.


I doupt, :useless:

since you enter and destroy all my threads,
YOU take them seriously, indeed, :grin: :innocent:

Yetos
29-10-18, 22:04
WHO IS LYING ABOUT KATSIFAS DEATH?

The bellow video is clear proof,
that SOMEONE IS LYING,

in the reports it is said about usage of Ak-47
The video shows that Katsifas was holding an M-16 !!!!!
SO THE Fake News THAT DIPLOMATS AND POLICE WANT TO PROVIDE US
AS ALSO THE MUD AGAINST HIM,
AND THE DUST TO OUR EYES IS OBVIOUS,

That is the photo of the boy

https://www.militaire.gr/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17/katsifas-415-500.jpg


That is not an Ak-47 As Albanian police said and writes in her official writing
but an M-16,

and that is a video the time of shooting,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo&amp;feature=player_embedded

It is obvious that people pass nearby,
so no terroristic action
it is obvious that does take any people as hostages, or shield
so the criminality degree is different.

We do not see any demands somewhere, or in video
\if the man was a terrorist or a mentall ill,
it is obvious he would ask for something,
or yell, like terrorists do,

BUT HERE NO,

so someone is lying,

the Ak-47 suddenly is an M-16,

Period,

I hope my forum friends
understand the problem,
and what happened there,
the boy was executed,
so not to be brought to Justice,
to silent him.

PS
to Artan Hotza or Hoxha,
salutations,
Find the trooth and then Speak

In Fact the Albanian Police must give the whole video,
that the police drone filmed,
so to rest in peace the boy's soul,
and the moral killers go to prison

LABERIA
29-10-18, 22:36
WHO IS LYING ABOUT KATSIFAS DEATH?

The bellow video is clear proof,
that SOMEONE IS LYING,

in the reports it is said about usage of Ak-47
The video shows that Katsifas was holding an M-16 !!!!!
SO THE Fake News THAT DIPLOMATS AND POLICE WANT TO PROVIDE US
AS ALSO THE MUD AGAINST HIM,
AND THE DUST TO OUR EYES IS OBVIOUS,

That is the photo of the boy

https://www.militaire.gr/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17/katsifas-415-500.jpg


That is not an Ak-47 As Albanian police said and writes in her official writing
but an M-16,

and that is a video the time of shooting,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo&amp;feature=player_embedded

It is obvious that people pass nearby,
so no terroristic action
it is obvious that does take any people as hostages, or shield
so the criminality degree is different.

We do not see any demands somewhere, or in video
\if the man was a terrorist or a mentall ill,
it is obvious he would ask for something,
or yell, like terrorists do,

BUT HERE NO,

so someone is lying,

the Ak-47 suddenly is an M-16,

Period,

I hope my forum friends
understand the problem,
and what happened there,
the boy was executed,
so not to be brought to Justice,
to silent him.

PS
to Artan Hotza or Hoxha,
salutations,
Find the trooth and then Speak

In Fact the Albanian Police must give the whole video,
that the police drone filmed,
so to rest in peace the boy's soul,
and the moral killers go to prison

Some news from greek newspaper. Your hero was arrested in 2008 by greek police for trafficking narcotics. And the most important thing according to your police the story of the flag ia a BS:

Συνελήφθη το 2008 για υπόθεση ναρκωτικών στο Χαλάνδρι
Νέα στοιχεία από την ΕΛ.ΑΣ. για την υπόθεση Κατσίφα
Η συμπλοκή αποσυνδέεται από την ύψωση της ελληνικής σημαίας
Νέα δεδομένα προκύπτουν για το παρελθόν του 35χρονου Κωνσταντίνου Κατσίφα, που έπεσε νεκρός από πυρά των αλβανικών ειδικών δυνάμεων την Κυριακή στην περιοχή Βουλιανάτες Αλβανίας.

Σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες από την ΕΛ.ΑΣ, ο 35χρονος ομογενής είχε συλληφθεί το 2008 για κατοχή και διακίνηση άνω του μισού κιλού χασίς, στο Χαλάνδρι.

Υπενθυμίζεται εξάλλου ότι νωρίτερα, αρμόδιες πηγές της ΕΛΑΣ διέψευδαν ότι η ένοπλη συμπλοκή του Κατσίφη με τους Αλβανούς αστυνομικούς είχε σχέση με την ύψωση της ελληνικής σημαίας.

Σύμφωνα με την ΕΛ.ΑΣ δεν υπάρχουν διαθέσιμα στοιχεία, ούτε μαρτυρίες, που να συνδέουν την ένοπλη συμπλοκή στην Αλβανία, κατά την οποία έπεσε νεκρός από τις σφαίρες των Αλβανών αστυνομικών ο 35χρονος Βορειοηπειρώτης Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας, με την ύψωση της ελληνικής σημαίας.

Οπως έγινε γνωστό από το αρχηγείο της ΕΛΑΣ, ο ίδιος ο Κωνσταντίνος Κατσίφας συμμετείχε στον σημαιοστολισμό στους Βουλιαράτες, όπου αναρτήθηκαν δεκάδες σημαίες, ενόψει της επετείου της 28ης Οκτωβρίου 1940, χωρίς να ανακύψει κάποιο θέμα.

Από την πρώτη στιγμή υπήρξε επικοινωνία για το περιστατικό μεταξύ του αρχηγού της ΕΛΑΣ, αντιστράτηγου Αριστείδη Ανδρικόπουλου, με τον Αλβανό ομόλογο του -στο πλαίσιο της συνεργασίας που υπάρχει- και ενημερώθηκε για το συμβάν, ενώ έχουν ξεκινήσει ήδη οι διαδικασίες προκειμένου να συμμετάσχει και η ελληνική πλευρά στις έρευνες για την πλήρη διαλεύκανση των αιτίων της συμπλοκής.

Ειδικότερα, σύμφωνα με το ΑΠΕ, έχουν δρομολογηθεί μέσω της διπλωματικής οδού όλες οι ενέργειες για τη συμμετοχή της ελληνικής πλευράς στις έρευνες, προκειμένου να ενημερώνεται και παράλληλα να παρέχει στις αλβανικές Αρχές οποιαδήποτε συνδρομή κριθεί απαραίτητη.
Google translator:

He was arrested in 2008 for a drug case in Halandri
New items from EL.AS. for the Katsifas case
The fight is disconnected from the rise of the Greek flag
New data arise for the past of 35-year-old Konstantinos Katsifas, who died dead by Albanian special forces on Sunday in the Bularat region of Albania.

According to EL.AS, the 35-year-old Greek was arrested in 2008 for possession and trafficking over half a kilo of hashish in Halandri.

It is also recalled that earlier ELAS sources have denied that Katsifis' armed clashes with Albanian police officers were related to the rise of the Greek flag.

According to EL.AS, there are no available data or evidence to link the armed struggle in Albania, where 35-year-old Northeastern Constantine Katsifas, a 35-year-old Northeastern Greek soldier, died from the spheres of Albanian policemen with the rise of the Greek flag.

As it was known from the ELAS headquarters, Konstantinos Katsifas himself participated in the markism in Vouliarates, where dozens of flags were posted, in view of the anniversary of October 28, 1940, without any issue.

From the very first moment there was communication about the incident between the head of ELAS, Deputy Aristeidis Andrikopoulos, with his Albanian counterpart - in the framework of the cooperation that exists - and was informed about the incident, while the procedures for the participation of the Greek side of the research to fully elucidate the causes of the conflict.

In particular, according to the RES, all actions for the participation of the Greek side in the investigations have been initiated through the diplomatic channel in order to be informed and at the same time to provide the Albanian authorities with any assistance deemed necessary.

LABERIA
29-10-18, 22:50
That is not an Ak-47 As Albanian police said and writes in her official writing
but an M-16,

and that is a video the time of shooting,
You must go to be visited by an ophthalmologist. You know, at your age these are things that happen. Again from your newspapers:
Βίντεο – ντοκουμέντο του Κατσίφα με το καλάσνικοφ
Video - document of Katsifas with a Kalashnikov.

BTW, this Katsifas was a Vlach like the majority of the members of the greek minority in Albania. The rest are Albanians, just hellenised people. His surname is an classic Vlach surname Katsifas, llatsi-fatsi.

blevins13
29-10-18, 23:50
This boy was radicalized in Greece and came in Albania as a human bomb.....feel sorry for his life but this is what you get if you try to solve thing with a Rambo approach.


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LABERIA
30-10-18, 00:21
This boy was radicalized in Greece and came in Albania as a human bomb.....feel sorry for his life but this is what you get if you try to solve thing with a Rambo approach.


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This was an attempt by certain groups in Greece to destabilize the Tsipras government. There is a political crisis in Greece. A minister has been dismissed after the controversy with another minister. But these are things that do not interest us.
What makes us worry is the national betrayal that has made to us by our political class, allowing the greeks to build these cemeteries. These cemeteries have nothing to do with the events of the past, but with the future, with the politcs and geopolitics of the future. You know that these cemeteries trace an imaginary line of the Northern Epirus following the chauvinist territorial claims of the Greeks for South Albania. You know the scandal of Kosine when the greeks began to build these cemeteries without the permission of the Albanian government, but since there were no soldiers' bodies to bury, they have corrupted a local priest and have profaned the old cemetery of the village by exhuming the bodies of the Albanians buried there for centuries, women, men, children, without age or sex. There have been cases that under the name of a Greek soldier they have buried the remains of a dog or a donkey and other animals. There are some jokes in South Albania about this story. But honestly, there's nothing to laugh about in all this. This scandal was reported by the villagers. The prosecutor has started an investigation but then it was closed for raison d'état. Then there is this danger announced many times that these cemeteries will serve as places of pilgrimage for all kind of extremists groups, all the scum of Greece will arrive in these places and yesterday we had confirmation.

Yetos
30-10-18, 00:58
Some news from greek newspaper. Your hero was arrested in 2008 by greek police for trafficking narcotics. And the most important thing according to your police the story of the flag ia a BS:

Google translator:

So the case was a drug dealing cleansing now ?
a mafia war?

LABERIA
30-10-18, 01:19
So the case was a drug dealing cleansing now ?

He was not alone in his attempt. He had collaborators. At first he fired into the air trying to attract the Albanian police attention. Then when the police patrol composed of five policemen arrived on the spot, he fired against them and fled. He he escaped trying to lure the police out of the village where the other collaborators had raised the trap to the police. The policemen did not fall into the trap and executed the regulation by calling the special forces of RENEA. When the terrorists' command saw the RENEA helicopter approach, they escaped leaving the terrorist alone. Then the rest is now history, a bullet at the head and another in the chest.

Yetos
30-10-18, 02:10
He was not alone in his attempt. He had collaborators. At first he fired into the air trying to attract the Albanian police attention. Then when the police patrol composed of five policemen arrived on the spot, he fired against them and fled. He he escaped trying to lure the police out of the village where the other collaborators had raised the trap to the police. The policemen did not fall into the trap and executed the regulation by calling the special forces of RENEA. When the terrorists' command saw the RENEA helicopter approach, they escaped leaving the terrorist alone. Then the rest is now history, a bullet at the head and another in the chest.

That is what Albanian police is hiding,
the videos,
there was 1 helicopteron and 1 drone,
but no videos given to publicity,

the negotiations recording,
when you ask someone you usually record the discuss,
no recording is given to publicity,

all these must be answered,

As for this

Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis), important Greek politician and former Prime Minister's Antonis Samaras advisor ask for:
"Greek Air Force Bombard Albania" ... revenge for the death of 35-year-old Constantine Katsifos. The solution is to bomb the Albanian police headquarters and the camp of special police force that Rama can receive this message "
<span id="result_box" class="" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu95sCt9khw&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=3&amp;fbclid=Iw AR10laZDU8oLC3CX1Bkcy3yvfVooysjfpZDMsJpwez46gZCDsm g32g5FxAw
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Terrorism is deep rooted in Greece.

I will give you this,
What do you believe?
Is this a solution?

https://www.news247.gr/img/4941/6662602/767000/w660/660/alvania-pano.jpg

Do you believe that
1 Greek dead, 1 bastard less?

Yetos
30-10-18, 02:25
He was not alone in his attempt. He had collaborators.


Come on,
claims
1rst he was aterrorist
2nd he was mentally ill
3rd he was a Mafia drug dealer
4rth he was not Alone
would ever decide what happened there?


Do you believe all that crap?
you swallow the camel, and punch the mosquito?

As you see in video, the man could make a massacre,
but he did not,
As you see in Video the man could just enter a cafe, and use hostages and human beings as shield but he did not,

on contradictory now you tell us that it was a group?
but he was executed!!!!
in video I see a man running to find shelter,
and do not reply shots, cause probably is saving bullets,
the shots in the mountains last for hours, with high density,
how many bullets he had? 60?

thousands of bullets for hours, to kill a man?
who probably was already dead?

Come on,
the officer in command of that police department
must pass a trial, and send in prison,
cause he is hiding many.

Johane Derite
30-10-18, 11:27
Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis), important Greek politician and former Prime Minister's Antonis Samaras advisor ask for:
"Greek Air Force Bombard Albania" ... revenge for the death of 35-year-old Constantine Katsifos. The solution is to bomb the Albanian police headquarters and the camp of special police force that Rama can receive this message "
<span id="result_box" class="" tabindex="-1" lang="en"><span>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu95sCt9khw&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=3&amp;fbclid=Iw AR10laZDU8oLC3CX1Bkcy3yvfVooysjfpZDMsJpwez46gZCDsm g32g5FxAw
Δήλωση Φαήλου Κρανιδιώτη για την δολοφονία του Κωνσταντίνου Κατσίφα

Terrorism is deep rooted in Greece.

This is insanity. Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis) calling for burning the Albanians with bombs?

I see however Yetos squirming in desperation for anything to try muddy the water and change the narrative. He is comparing the Terroristic inflammatory statement from a powerful Greek politician who was the Prime Minister's advisor to some football stadium hooligan banner?

This is quite a desperate attempt at damage control. There needs to be inquiry by the European Union into this politician Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis) and he needs to face repercussions for encouraging violence like this. Lets not forget how many Albanians there are living in Greece, this could lead to civil war that Greece could not recover from if it goes on like this. It happened in Yugoslavia when Serbs thought they could play the tough guy against Croats, Slovenians, Montenegrins, Bosnian, Albanians because they had de-facto power.

In this Greek situation I see similar patterns and terroristic sentiment like I saw from Serbian radicalists 20 years ago.

Rather than desperately trying to grasp at straws and deflect blame like you and your media is trying to do you should admit
how clear of a Terrorism case this is.

There was explicit pre-meditated intent, as is made clear by the status FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE INCIDENT and the fact that he SMUGGLED KALASHNIKOV with FIVE LOADING MAGAZINES. If it had been just a Kalashnikov it would have been bad enough, but that he brought so much reserve ammunition tells us exactly what he wanted to do.

And guess what, he did shoot at locals. Thank God he missed though, and the Albanian Special Forces got there before he got some civillians.

How much clearer can the case be, you are trying to manipulate onlookers and yourself ultimately. Sick.

Johane Derite
30-10-18, 11:34
Some news from greek newspaper. Your hero was arrested in 2008 by greek police for trafficking narcotics. And the most important thing according to your police the story of the flag ia a BS:

Google translator:


You must go to be visited by an ophthalmologist. You know, at your age these are things that happen. Again from your newspapers:
Βίντεο – ντοκουμέντο του Κατσίφα με το καλάσνικοφ


Video - document of Katsifas with a Kalashnikov.




Laberia thanks for showing with his own Greek media that Yetos is lying and trying to manipulate people on Eupedia. I am disgusted by his calculatedly disingenuous, deceitful, underhanded, manipulative, and conniving posts.

Yetos
30-10-18, 11:51
The blood of the deas spoke,

He surrender
he got one bullet at chest,
they got him,
and the crowl him 70 meters,
and then shot one in heart and one in head,

The blood in open field is clear.
a corridor of 60-70 meters full of blood


ALBANIAN POLICE SIMPLY EXECUTES
DOES NOT ARREST TO SEND TO JUDGE



https://www.news247.gr/img/4941/6662602/767000/w660/660/alvania-pano.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62n00RuoWh4

The blood of the dead shows clear
How the execution was done,

It is obvious,
He surrender, and they shot him
and then moved him away, to execute him,

They EXECUTE HIM WHILE WAS ARRESTED

And the biggest liar is Rama

Johane Derite
30-10-18, 11:54
The blood of the deas spoke,

He surrender
he got one bullet at chest,
they got him,
and the crowl him 70 meters,
and then shot one in heart and one in head,

The blood in open field is clear.
a corridor of 60-70 meters full of blood


ALBANIAN POLICE SIMPLY EXECUTES
DOES NOT ARREST TO SEND TO JUDGE



https://www.news247.gr/img/4941/6662602/767000/w660/660/alvania-pano.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62n00RuoWh4

The blood of the dead shows clear
How the execution was done,

It is obvious,
He surrender, and they shot him
and then moved him away, to execute him,

They EXECUTE HIM WHILE WAS ARRESTED.

This is absolutely false and all your Greek ministers have commended the Albanian police for their professionalism, you should get infracted for this disgusting conspiracy theory you are trying to peddle. Sick.

Yetos
30-10-18, 11:57
This is absolutely false and all your Greek ministers have commended the Albanian police for their professionalism, you should get infracted for this disgusting conspiracy theory you are trying to peddle. Sick.


you are wrong,
and the videos show clear,

and not only execute him
when surrendered,
but continue to shoot in air to terrorize,
and make fake news for a big battle in the mountain.

and the biggest liar is Rama himshelf

Johane Derite
30-10-18, 12:00
you are wrong,

and the videos show clear,

I watched the video and its not even from Albania its something totally not related to the event just like the image you posted of some football banner.

You are a Terrorist sympathiser.

Yetos
30-10-18, 12:23
I watched the video and its not even from Albania its something totally not related to the event just like the image you posted of some football banner.

You are a Terrorist sympathiser.

The video is from Bouliates mountain,
the red is the blood of the dead boy,

the monument of stones was build by Albanian police,
just to memorize a 'victory'

60 meters of blood, by a man wounded in chest,
and the a shot inheart and head,
SHOWS EXECUTION,

Face the truth guys,

He was not mental ill as Rama claims,
He was not a terrorist cause the video show him not shooting to mass and people while he could
He did not entered a cafe to use humans as shield,

He surrendered, and they wounded him,
and then move him 60 meters to a n open view place
and execute him,
and gather stones there to make a kind of monument,

NO Video from the Albanian Police Given although Helicopter and drone there,
No recorded sounds and speach given to publicity of negotiations

All these show one thing
The boy was executed,
They did not want him arrested to reach a judge

as for the gun,
i do not know what kind of Ak has a handgrip above like M-16, but there isn't any as far as I know
Yet the targeting point is infront and has the gas chamber above,
typical for Ak-47

Johane Derite
30-10-18, 12:41
The video is from Bouliates mountain,
the red is the blood of the dead boy,

the monument of stones was build by Albanian police,
just to memorize a 'victory'

60 meters of blood, by a man wounded in chest,
and the a shot inheart and head,
SHOWS EXECUTION,

Face the truth guys,

He was not mental ill as Rama claims,
He was not a terrorist cause the video show him not shooting to mass and people while he could
He did not entered a cafe to use humans as shield,

He surrendered, and they wounded him,
and then move him 60 meters to a n open view place
and execute him,
and gather stones there to make a kind of monument,

NO Video from the Albanian Police Given although Helicopter and drone there,
No recorded sounds and speach given to publicity of negotiations

All these show one thing
The boy was executed,
They did not want him arrested to reach a judge

as for the gun,
i do not know what kind of Ak has a handgrip above like M-16, but there isn't any as far as I know
Yet the targeting point is infront and has the gas chamber above,
typical for Ak-47

LOL WTF you are straight up lying that video is not from Albania, I seriously don't know what you are trying to pull! Are you openly coming out as a Terrorist on Eupedia?? You deserve a permaban you terrorist scum.

Maybe someone who watches it and doesn't know Albania could be tricked by your BS and this is disgusting.

Here is again the video of the terrorist scum SHOOTING AT THE POLICE it is recorded in play daylight. Stop lying saying there is no videos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wulE80rOo3o

First you tried to create the lie that he reacted because the flag was pulled down, now you are trying this narrative. Disgusting.

Don't worry, i'm sure more videos will come out you pathetic liar.

Yetos
30-10-18, 12:54
Offcourse,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo&amp;feature=player_embedded

the video is clear,

he does not shoot cause people pass next to him, but hides behind the corner
Yet the police shoots at him, PUTTING IN DANGER THE LIFES OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
the cafe is full, but he moves away, instead of taking hostages,

only the case that police shoot at him while civilians were next to him,
SHOWS CLEARLY MANY THINGS.

Albanian police execute him,
No matter who and what he was,
he was surrendered, and arrested,
they should brought him to justice,
not execute him like a mad dog in the fields,

Just watch around minute 0:07
the kids pass nex to him calm, and no fear,
he gets his head out and police shoots,
without respect to the 3 civilian kids


AND ONLY THE CASE THAT ALBANIAN POLICE DID NOT PUBLISH THE DRONE VIDEO
AND THE RECORDED NEGOTIATIONS
IS ENOUGH TO BE GUILTY,
Proffesional killers, not Policemen,

admited it
you want us to believe a fake story
while all evidences show assasination.

there was a police bullying to him early in the morning
and he fall in the trap,
and then Albanian police execute him,
instead of bringing to judges

it is not the first case,
Flamour Pisli also
I also remember a demostration at Tirana around 2011
were they also shoot civilans and kill some,
that is not Police,
that is a bunch of assasins.
It is typical of Albanian police to kill people, just for fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=WWz6c4K_KfI

LABERIA
30-10-18, 13:47
This is insanity. Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis) calling for burning the Albanians with bombs?

I see however Yetos squirming in desperation for anything to try muddy the water and change the narrative. He is comparing the Terroristic inflammatory statement from a powerful Greek politician who was the Prime Minister's advisor to some football stadium hooligan banner?

This is quite a desperate attempt at damage control. There needs to be inquiry by the European Union into this politician Failos Kranidiotis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failos_Kranidiotis) and he needs to face repercussions for encouraging violence like this. Lets not forget how many Albanians there are living in Greece, this could lead to civil war that Greece could not recover from if it goes on like this. It happened in Yugoslavia when Serbs thought they could play the tough guy against Croats, Slovenians, Montenegrins, Bosnian, Albanians because they had de-facto power.

In this Greek situation I see similar patterns and terroristic sentiment like I saw from Serbian radicalists 20 years ago.

Rather than desperately trying to grasp at straws and deflect blame like you and your media is trying to do you should admit
how clear of a Terrorism case this is.

There was explicit pre-meditated intent, as is made clear by the status FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE INCIDENT and the fact that he SMUGGLED KALASHNIKOV with FIVE LOADING MAGAZINES. If it had been just a Kalashnikov it would have been bad enough, but that he brought so much reserve ammunition tells us exactly what he wanted to do.

And guess what, he did shoot at locals. Thank God he missed though, and the Albanian Special Forces got there before he got some civillians.

How much clearer can the case be, you are trying to manipulate onlookers and yourself ultimately. Sick.

Kranidiotis is one of the top five politicians in Greece actually. Yetos compared him with the Ultras of Partizan Tirana. This can help to understand many things about this country called Greece.

LABERIA
30-10-18, 13:53
Laberia thanks for showing with his own Greek media that Yetos is lying and trying to manipulate people on Eupedia. I am disgusted by his calculatedly disingenuous, deceitful, underhanded, manipulative, and conniving posts.

Well, you know now Yetos...
After each post, he goes to the mirror and he hold his breath to hide his swollen belly and says to himshelf, well done Yetos, you are like one of the 300 of Leonidas. Just ignore his presence here.

Yetos
30-10-18, 14:03
Well, you know now Yetos...
After each post, he goes to the mirror and he hold his breath to hide his swollen belly and says to himshelf, well done Yetos, you are like one of the 300 of Leonidas. Just ignore his presence here.

Kranidiotis is not even elected with his party.

Yetos
30-10-18, 14:09
Well, you know now Yetos...
After each post, he goes to the mirror and he hold his breath to hide his swollen belly and says to himshelf, well done Yetos, you are like one of the 300 of Leonidas. Just ignore his presence here.

and what do you do?

LABERIA
30-10-18, 14:12
Albanian tourist shop petrol bombed at night in Athens (http://en.protothema.gr/albanian-tourist-shop-petrol-bombed-at-night-in-athens/)

Yetos
30-10-18, 14:27
Kranidiotis is one of the top five politicians in Greece actually. Yetos compared him with the Ultras of Partizan Tirana. This can help to understand many things about this country called Greece.

you compare kranidiotis who's party is Not elected
WITH RAMA Family mafia (olsi Rama) Who is owner of Partizan Tirana
with no shame !!!!

LABERIA
30-10-18, 22:25
Laberia thanks for showing with his own Greek media that Yetos is lying and trying to manipulate people on Eupedia. I am disgusted by his calculatedly disingenuous, deceitful, underhanded, manipulative, and conniving posts.
When i started to post in this forum, my signature was this:

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
― Mark Twain

Yetos
30-10-18, 22:32
When i started to post in this forum, my signature was this:

“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”


― Mark Twain

That is why nobody is interested in your posts, :laughing: :laughing:



<<He who denys to see the truth,
is doomed to live in the dark.>>

- Iapetos :laughing:

Yetos
31-10-18, 02:06
As expected,

the way RENYA act
as also all the missing details that should be given by Albanian Police
show a 'strange' case, that is beyong law,
undr the pressure of EU bureax
Greek investigators and foresinc surgeon lawyers are moving to Tirana
in cooperation with the independent parts of constitutional Albanian justice,

Time to drop some light to the case,
and finally learn the truth,

As for Rama, pitty cause the alcoholic has did such easy way many times,

the Foreign affairs ministry of Albania called Greek ambassador to arrange the subject

I wonder, would they 'strugle' the case behind a diplomatic way?
or they find and provide the truth,
sending many 'Bullies' policeman and Renya home (better to a sanitarium)

Yetos
31-10-18, 16:48
And to continue,

the body that was brought to Forensic seurgeon lawyer,
is already washed with chemicals !!!!!!
and wounds are neetled, closed,
that means that correct precedure can not be done,

YET by the type and size of wounds
THE EXTRACT is that he was shot Standing and with open hands,
THAT MEANS EXECUTION OF A SURRENDERED

And the question is who gave the order and why?


POLICE JOB IS NOT TO KILL,
POLICE IS TO SERVE JUSTICE,
RESTORE ORDER,
AND PROTECT CIVILIANS
SO IN THIS AS IN MANY OTHER CASES (like 2011)
seems that there is either a political 'finger' behind,
Either clear unproffesional,

in first case Albanian justice must find who,
in Second case, many Police high Officers sent to prison,

Shooting one who surrenders is not allowed even in Army,
how about Police,

after shooting the guy from a distance of 25 meters about,
they drag him around 60 meters and brought him probably to a high commander
who shot him in head,
that means not only was executed although surrender,
but also the body of the dead was tortured,

in 20th Century, what that could mean?

ihype02
31-10-18, 20:25
Kranidiotis is one of the top five politicians in Greece actually. Yetos compared him with the Ultras of Partizan Tirana. This can help to understand many things about this country called Greece.
Kranidiotis is of Attican-Arvanite ancestry from both of his parents. The population of Attica was almost entirety Albanian before the Christian Turks, Lazes and others were transplanted from the deserts of Anatolia.
He can start bombing himself though considering he is an Albanian.

LABERIA
31-10-18, 20:41
Kranidiotis is of Attican-Arvanite ancestry from both of his parents. The population of Attica was almost entirety Albanian before the Christian Turks, Lazes and others were transplanted from the deserts of Anatolia.
He can start bombing himself though considering he is an Albanian.
I know that he is Arvanite. He is trying to convince himself and the other Greeks that he is more Greek than everyone else.
This event carries with responsibility the Greek state. It is a shame for Greece. But these people do not know the word shame.

blevins13
31-10-18, 20:57
WHO IS LYING ABOUT KATSIFAS DEATH?

The bellow video is clear proof,
that SOMEONE IS LYING,

in the reports it is said about usage of Ak-47
The video shows that Katsifas was holding an M-16 !!!!!
SO THE Fake News THAT DIPLOMATS AND POLICE WANT TO PROVIDE US
AS ALSO THE MUD AGAINST HIM,
AND THE DUST TO OUR EYES IS OBVIOUS,

That is the photo of the boy

https://www.militaire.gr/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/17/katsifas-415-500.jpg


That is not an Ak-47 As Albanian police said and writes in her official writing
but an M-16,

and that is a video the time of shooting,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo&feature=player_embedded

It is obvious that people pass nearby,
so no terroristic action
it is obvious that does take any people as hostages, or shield
so the criminality degree is different.

We do not see any demands somewhere, or in video
\if the man was a terrorist or a mentall ill,
it is obvious he would ask for something,
or yell, like terrorists do,

BUT HERE NO,

so someone is lying,

the Ak-47 suddenly is an M-16,

Period,

I hope my forum friends
understand the problem,
and what happened there,
the boy was executed,
so not to be brought to Justice,
to silent him.

PS
to Artan Hotza or Hoxha,
salutations,
Find the trooth and then Speak

In Fact the Albanian Police must give the whole video,
that the police drone filmed,
so to rest in peace the boy's soul,
and the moral killers go to prison

It is all clear now....or I will say it was clear from the very beginning for those who sent him......the terrorist is a “freedom fighter” for Vorio- Epiri aka South Albania. To all his compatriots, good luck in this fight, Albania Police will give you what you deserve professionally or unprofessionally.


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LABERIA
31-10-18, 21:12
It is all clear now....or I will say it was clear from the very beginning for those who sent him......the terrorist is a “freedom fighter” for Vorio- Epiri aka South Albania. To all his compatriots, good luck in this fight, Albania Police will give you what you deserve professionally or unprofessionally.


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The video published by the Albanian journalist Artan Hoxha where Katcifas is seen with his weapon in his hands shooting against the Albanian police, has infuriated the Greeks. The Greeks have issued a fatwa against him. Every Greek, from New Zealand to Russia, now has the patriotic duty to kill Artan Hoxha. Watch the video, at 4`55``.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_651dvcahLA

blevins13
31-10-18, 22:01
The video published by the Albanian journalist Artan Hoxha where Katcifas is seen with his weapon in his hands shooting against the Albanian police, has infuriated the Greeks. The Greeks have issued a fatwa against him. Every Greek, from New Zealand to Russia, now has the patriotic duty to kill Artan Hoxha. Watch the video, at 4`55``.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_651dvcahLA

They might poison him, or use and Albanian to kill him.....all habits never die.


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blevins13
31-10-18, 22:21
And to continue,

the body that was brought to Forensic seurgeon lawyer,
is already washed with chemicals !!!!!!
and wounds are neetled, closed,
that means that correct precedure can not be done,

YET by the type and size of wounds
THE EXTRACT is that he was shot Standing and with open hands,
THAT MEANS EXECUTION OF A SURRENDERED

And the question is who gave the order and why?


POLICE JOB IS NOT TO KILL,
POLICE IS TO SERVE JUSTICE,
RESTORE ORDER,
AND PROTECT CIVILIANS
SO IN THIS AS IN MANY OTHER CASES (like 2011)
seems that there is either a political 'finger' behind,
Either clear unproffesional,

in first case Albanian justice must find who,
in Second case, many Police high Officers sent to prison,

Shooting one who surrenders is not allowed even in Army,
how about Police,

after shooting the guy from a distance of 25 meters about,
they drag him around 60 meters and brought him probably to a high commander
who shot him in head,
that means not only was executed although surrender,
but also the body of the dead was tortured,

in 20th Century, what that could mean?

It seems that for 30 minutes a negotiation process has occurred......there is a film for that and also there is a film how he was killed. At some point Albanian police will release it.... but remember, for the police he was not a civilian but an armed person in military gear shooting at the police.


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LABERIA
31-10-18, 22:51
They might poison him, or use and Albanian to kill him.....all habits never die.


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Yetos
01-11-18, 03:37
I think
we all realized
he was not a terrorist
he was not mental ill

now we must wait the second report of Forensic lawyers
although due to body wash with chlores and hydroxides
may comblicated the case,

blevins13
01-11-18, 08:29
I think
we all realized
he was not a terrorist
he was not mental ill

now we must wait the second report of Forensic lawyers
although due to body wash with chlores and hydroxides
may comblicated the case,

Why you hide behind the finger..... claim him don’t be afraid.....he is a “freedom fighter” dressed in Rambo gear shooting at the Albanian police, not a lunatic.....


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LABERIA
01-11-18, 09:59
Google translator:

Statement of UAJ
The threats of Greek extremists and nationalists against journalist Artan Hoxha a danger and provocation on the fundamental freedoms of the journalism between the two countries

Tiranë
on 31.10.2018

Albanian and Greek media have published aggressive reactions and threats of the wellknown nationalist individuals against the investigative journalist Artan Hoxha during the last three days.

Colleague Hoxha published serious threats of these individuals and extremist circles of Greek nationalism, to him first on the personal pages of social networks. The threats at the address of journalist Hoxha came after the reports and statements he publicly displayed about the incident and the murder of a citizen with two citizenship, from Bularati of the district of Gjirokastra, to the late Kostandinos Kacifas. On the social networking pages of colleague Artan Hoxha Greek extremists and individuals known for verbal and committed radicality, express their determination for primitive revenge on a journalist who respects his views freely expressed in the public opinion and the media of our country. The Union of Albanian Journalists expresses its concern about such threats coming from the neighboring country and appeals for the opening investigations of this case by the General Prosecutor of Greece.

We ask the authorities of the Republic of Albania to seriously evaluate this threat and in legal cooperation with the Greek side to clarify the authorship of these threats to bring legal responsibility to the perpetrators of this aggression against individual and journalistic freedom.

Press Office

Union of Albanian Journalists
http://shqiptarja.com/lajm/kercenimi-i-gazetarit-artan-hoxha-nga-greket-unioni-i-gazetareve-athina-dhe-tirana-te-gjejne-autoret

P.S.
Few days ago, in this forum you can read this:


PS
to Artan Hotza or Hoxha,
salutations,
Find the trooth and then Speak

ihype02
01-11-18, 12:17
I think
we all realized
he was not a terrorist
he was not mental ill

now we must wait the second report of Forensic lawyers
although due to body wash with chlores and hydroxides
may comblicated the case,

He was a terrorist by the modern definition of the word. And the doctor agrees that he was shot in distance twice.

Yetos
01-11-18, 16:24
Artan Hoxha and E Rama
are more terrorists than the Boy,

Do not hide a crime,
There was a crime there,
and we all show videos
and soon we will find more by Forensic surgeons,

It is well known that the one who hide the truth
Live in the Lie,

lets wait little more,

cause if the thing that the forensic told
that he died standing with open wide arms
when got the chest in bullet

WE CAN NOT HAVE BETTER VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS,
POLICE BRUTALITY
CRIMES AGAINST HUMAN NATURE
POLITICAL EXECUTIONS

not even in S America Dictatorships such things happen

Artan Hoxha is obvious supports police criminality, anihillation,
and many other, which I will not expand,


And Rama family are the worst provocatives I can see,
specially using Partizan Football to pass Hate and Racism

why no Judge did not makes a search on the hate Signal Flag that was raised in Tirana???
Because the club Belongs to Rama?
SUCH THINGS REMINDS THE WW2 NAZI and ....

Salento
01-11-18, 18:47
From a neutral perspective.
Just the act and not the reasons.

Universal Rules:

Depending on the weapon, it should ALWAYS be kept in a proper container, holster, or behind the belt.
When necessary, or asked by authorities, must be held in a non-threatening way.

The belief is: in a public place, the only reason for brandishing or pointing a weapon is to actually use it.

An officer, or a civilian if armed and capable, will immediately confront, no question asked, and retaliate with deadly force.

End of story.

Yetos
01-11-18, 21:39
The role of Police

The primary duty of a police officer is to protect people and property. Common duties of police include controlling traffic, patrolling neighborhoods, responding to emergency calls, writing citations, delivering warrants, arresting violators and submitting incident reports in a timely manner. Police are also called occasionally to testify in court about a situation they witnessed or handled. Additionally, duties of police include educational outreach to the public to help prevent and solve crime. A typical day varies depending on the jurisdiction and agency type. For example, a police officer in the inner city typically spends more time responding to 911 calls and investigating crimes than a small town sheriff in a remote area.


The job of a police officer is risky, and officers incur a higher rate of illnesses and injury than the national average for other jobs. Officers spend a great deal of time working with criminals and dealing with threatening scenarios, such as intervening in a domestic assault or foiling a burglary. As a result, the possibility of conflicts and physical injury exist when attempting to apprehend a suspect. Many of the risks associated with a law enforcement career can be minimized by police officers following proper procedures.


Police officers are part of law enforcement, or the group of people tasked with the prevention of crime and apprehension of offenders. In other words, law enforcement officials, including police officers, investigate and prevent crimes from happening.



POLICE DOES NOT MEAN LEGAL LISENCE TO BULLY CITIZENS,
POLICE DOES NOT MEAN LEGAL LISENCE TO EXECUTE
POLICE PRIMARY CONCERN IS TO BRING TO JUSTICE THE SUSPECTS AND THE QUILTY

NOT TO WOUND A POSSIBLY QUILTY WHEN SURRENDER,
NEITHER TO EXECUTE A WOUNDED BOY.


When a policeman is bulling is a criminal
when a policeman executes the possible quilty HE MADE HIMSHELF GOD, HE JUST JUDGE,
THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE

blevins13
01-11-18, 22:10
The role of Police

The primary duty of a police officer is to protect people and property. Common duties of police include controlling traffic, patrolling neighborhoods, responding to emergency calls, writing citations, delivering warrants, arresting violators and submitting incident reports in a timely manner. Police are also called occasionally to testify in court about a situation they witnessed or handled. Additionally, duties of police include educational outreach to the public to help prevent and solve crime. A typical day varies depending on the jurisdiction and agency type. For example, a police officer in the inner city typically spends more time responding to 911 calls and investigating crimes than a small town sheriff in a remote area.


The job of a police officer is risky, and officers incur a higher rate of illnesses and injury than the national average for other jobs. Officers spend a great deal of time working with criminals and dealing with threatening scenarios, such as intervening in a domestic assault or foiling a burglary. As a result, the possibility of conflicts and physical injury exist when attempting to apprehend a suspect. Many of the risks associated with a law enforcement career can be minimized by police officers following proper procedures.


Police officers are part of law enforcement, or the group of people tasked with the prevention of crime and apprehension of offenders. In other words, law enforcement officials, including police officers, investigate and prevent crimes from happening.



POLICE DOES NOT MEAN LEGAL LISENCE TO BULLY CITIZENS,
POLICE DOES NOT MEAN LEGAL LISENCE TO EXECUTE
POLICE PRIMARY CONCERN IS TO BRING TO JUSTICE THE SUSPECTS AND THE QUILTY

NOT TO WOUND A POSSIBLY QUILTY WHEN SURRENDER,
NEITHER TO EXECUTE A WOUNDED BOY.


When a policeman is bulling is a criminal
when a policeman executes the possible quilty HE MADE HIMSHELF GOD, HE JUST JUDGE,
THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE




A Rambo trying to liberate his compatriots in South Albania (mainly retired people that spend their day at the cafeteria ☕️ of the village with pensions paid with the money of the EU). Hail to the hero...::long live his memory.


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Yetos
01-11-18, 23:09
a rambo trying to liberate his compatriots in south albania (mainly retired people that spend their day at the cafeteria ☕️ of the village with pensions paid with the money of the eu). Hail to the hero...::long live his memory.


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offcourse

but i do not see any rambo here,
neither a revolt,
i only a provoked by the police citizen who has problems with a certain Policeman,
WHO MAKE BULLY ON HIM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb5RjLGLWCo&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded


IN A DAY THAT ONLY THE QUESTS ARE MORE THAN 1800 PERSONS,
YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT HE STARTED A REVOLUTION BY HIS OWN?
YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT HE WAS MENTALLY ILL
SO HE COULD WIN THE WHOLE ALBANIAN POLICE AND ARMED FORCES?


THERE MUST BE SOME SHAME HERE,



AS FOR RAMBO
RAMBO's ANGER START FROM POLICE BRUTALITY
THE SAME TRICK THAT ALBANIAN POLICE USED AGAINST THE BOY,

THE ALBANIAN POLICEMAN INFRONT HIM DOWHUL ONE FLAG,
WHY? HAD HE SUCH ORDER? SURELY NO cause then all Flags should Dowhulled,
SO HE DID A BULLING ACT AND PROVOCATIVE BEHAVOUR,
the policeman ,either hate, or was a racist, it is clear and obvious
WHEN THE BOY ASK WHY?
THE ALBANIAN POLICEMAN SHOW HIM HIS GUN
AND AS THE BOY TURN HIS BACK
THE POLICEMAN ARMED HIS GUN,

WHO IS THE BULLING HERE?

we have no terrorism,
we have no mental illness,
WE HAVE POLICE AND STATE BRUTALITY HERE
IT IS OBVIOUS
AND THE BOY REACT
AS RAMBO IN THE MOVIE.

ONLY IN SICK MINDS
BLINDED BY HATE
TRUTH CAN NOT BE REVEILED

RAMBO WAS NOT A TERRORIST
RAMBO GOT PERSONAL AFFAIRS WITH LOCAL SHERRIFF
BY POLICE BULLING
SAME AS KATSIFAS
WHO IS VICTIM OF POLICE BULLING AND RENYA BRUTALITY

Yetos
01-11-18, 23:29
THAT IS WHAT ANGER RAMBO
<strong>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7oDRhHG5xs


Same way, different Bulling method
anger Katsifas,

ONLY THE BULLING CRIMINAL POLICEMAN IS FREE WITH HIS KIDS,
BUT KATSIFAS IS EXECUTED,
ALTHOUGH HE SURRENDERED

Yetos
01-11-18, 23:36
come on it is typical for Albanian armed police to shoot
even protesters, demonstrators etc.

I wonder do they ever found and punish this policeman?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWz6c4K_KfI

LABERIA
02-11-18, 00:43
A Rambo trying to liberate his compatriots in South Albania (mainly retired people that spend their day at the cafeteria ☕️ of the village with pensions paid with the money of the EU). Hail to the hero...::long live his memory.


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One of the most important Greek politicians of the last 30 years, Theodoros Pangalos called him(Katcifas) τσογλάνι, in English scoundrel. He said that not only villages of greek minority were covered with Greek flags but there were so many flags that the view was ugly. Here is the video. And the title, insipired from the words of Pangalos, is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K4ZejGpCFU
«Όποιος κραδαίνει όπλο να πυροβολείται αμέσως από την Αστυνομία!»: Ο Θ. Πάγκαλος στον ΣΚΑΪ (1/11/18)
«Everyone who brandish a gun to be shot immediately by the Police!»: T. Pangalos ΣΚΑΪ (1/11/18)

Yetos
02-11-18, 01:06
One of the most important Greek politicians of the last 30 years, Theodoros Pangalos called him(Katcifas) τσογλάνι, in English scoundrel. He said that not only villages of greek minority were covered with Greek flags but there were so many flags that the view was ugly. Here is the video. And the title, insipired from the words of Pangalos, is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K4ZejGpCFU
«Όποιος κραδαίνει όπλο να πυροβολείται αμέσως από την Αστυνομία!»: Ο Θ. Πάγκαλος στον ΣΚΑΪ (1/11/18)
«Everyone who brandish a gun to be shot immediately by the Police!»: T. Pangalos ΣΚΑΪ (1/11/18)


PAGKALOS IS THE MOST STUPID POLITICIAN EVER

HE WAS POLITICIAN CAUSE HIS FORTUNE IS SO BIG THAT COULD OLD 75 Appartments
IT IS THE SAME WHO CALLED GERMANS STUPIDS FOR CRISIS
THE SAME WHO ALWAYS WHEN HE SPEAKS GREEKS LAUGH,
If you ever watch Greek TV,
Every week WHEN WAS ACTIVE HE WAS SATYRIZED BY COMMEDIANS,
HE HAS SO MUCH FORTUNE THAT COULD BUY EVEN THE PRESIDENTIAL SEAT



Find a serious politician,

Pagkalos is of the guys that if war starts will leave the country
and not only,
he is connected with foreign strange spy networks,


Just Look what common logic you write
And way of Thinking you 'kiss'


''He said that not only villages of greek minority were covered with Greek flags but there were so many flags that the view was ugly.''

AND BECAUSE THE VIEW WAS UGLY AS PAGKALOS SAYS
THE BOY SHOULD BE EXECUTED BY POLICE, CORRECT?

When your Wife dry YOUR LAUNDRY at the balkony, The view is more ugly
Why Police does NOT executed your wife?

Pagkalos simply logic!!!!!!

LABERIA
02-11-18, 01:41
Antonis Liakos (https://antonisliakos.gr/about/)

Curriculum Vitae (https://antonisliakos.gr/about/)




Antonis Liakos
Antonis Liakos (1947) is professor of contemporary history and history of historiography at the University of Athens http://www.uoa.gr/ , chair of the Board of the International Commission for History and Τheory of Historiography (2010-2015) http://www.historiographyinternational.org/ and managing editor of Historein (http://www.nnet.gr/historein.htm ).
Born inAthens1947, he was imprisoned by the Junta in 1969, while student of history at the UniversityofThessaloniki. Released in 1973, took his BA in 1977, and his PhD in 1984. Lecturer and assistant professor at the University of Thessaloniki from 1980 to 1990, when he was elected professor at the Department of History and Archeology at the University of Athens. Research fellow and visiting professor at the University of Birmingham (1989), European University Institute (1995), University of Sydney (1995) University of Princeton (1996, 2006), Ecole Normale Superieure (2001), member of the Board of the European Doctorate in Social History (2005-20010).

Department of History and Archaeology, University of Athens
Address: Department of History and Archaeology, Philosophiki Building, University Campus, 15784Athens, Office 616
Email: [email protected]
Research specialisation



History of ModernGreeceandItaly, Social History, History and Theory of Historiography, Historical Culture


The Curriculum Vitae continue with publications of Professor Liakos.
Professor Liakos was in Bularat the day of the incident. His declaration:
Google translator:

Antonis Liakos on the death of Katsifas: "There was no incident with the raising or lowering of the Greek flag" (https://www.protothema.gr/greece/article/834180/adonis-liakos-gia-thanato-katsifa-den-upirxe-kanena-peristatiko-me-egersi-i-katevasma-ellinikis-simaias/)

"Most people did not even understand the incident at a completely different point," says the university student, who was in the Vouliarates on the day the homonym was killed
"There has been no incident with the raising or lowering of the Greek flag," said Professor Antonis Liakos, who, along with his partner and Minister of Culture, Myrsini Zorba, spoke at the ceremony in honor of the dead in the cemetery of the village Vouliarates , two days ago.

Professor of the University of Athens, who is also chair of the National Dialogue Committee on Education, participated in the crowd delegation of 300 people attending the event last Sunday, the day that Greek expatriate Konstantinos Katsifas killed by the Albanian police.

"There is a Greek-Albanian committee that carries out the identifications of the dead and their burial. For the first time a formal ceremony was held with a representative of the Greek government. It was a very busy and moving moment when relatives of the dead came from all over Greece. Most people did not even understand the incident at a completely different point.There was no incident with raising or lowering the Greek flag ".

Again Professor Liakos for another greek newspaper, efsyn.gr:
Google translation:

The time of the bloody incident (https://www.efsyn.gr/arthro/alvania-aimatiro-epeisodio-me-thanato-omogenoys)

Everything happened in the village of Vouliarates, near Gjirokastra, where Sunday was scheduled and a memorial event was held for the Greek soldiers who were killed during the Greek-Italian war. At the ceremony, approximately 300 people were present, including Culture Minister Myrsini Zorba, who wrought a crown on behalf of the Greek government.

The event, as reported by historian Antonis Liakos, was attended by representatives of the military authorities, schools and ordinary citizens. The military cemetery was marked with Greek and Albanian flags, a Greek trance was performed, the Greek national anthem was singled out, and children from the schools proclaimed poems.

In the morning, however, before the anniversary celebrations commenced, the episode with the Greek expatriate, who had occupied the center of the village and shooted in the air with a Kalashnikov. According to what says to efsyn.gr Antonis Liakos, there was no incident with raising the Greek flag or lowering it.

The police pushed the young man out of the village and he headed for the mountains. Police helicopters chased him and called on him to deliver his gun. He allegedly refused and the police shot him and killed him.

Yetos
02-11-18, 03:53
Antonis Liakos (https://antonisliakos.gr/about/)

The Curriculum Vitae continue with publications of Professor Liakos.
Professor Liakos was in Bularat the day of the incident. His declaration:
Google translator:


Again Professor Liakos for another greek newspaper, efsyn.gr:
Google translation:


FUNNY ISN"T IT?

ALL THE HIGH OFFICERS WHO WERE IN ΒΟΥΛΙΑΡΑΤΕΣ 28/10
SAY THE SAME THING,

WE DID NOT SEE ANY DOWNHULL OF THE MANY FLAGS
CAUSE ALL WHERE IN THE SAME PLACE, THE CEMETERY,

YET AT GREEK JUSTICE INVESTIGATORS
THERE ARE TESTIMONIES OF EYE WITNESS OF THE DOWNHULL OF ONE OUT TWO FLAGS THAT KATSIFAS RAISED.
AND THE POLICEMAN WITH HIS GUN TO KATSIFAS?

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT POLICE DOES NOT MAKE BULLYING AT THE CENTER WHERE DIPLOMATS ARE, (BOTH GREEK AND ALBANIAN)
BUT AWAY, IN LESS TRAFFIC ROADS<

SO AGAIN LABERIA YOU TELL US NOTHING


AS FOR PAGKALOS,

There is no need to mention his stupidity,

LABERIA
02-11-18, 15:38
Laberia thanks for showing with his own Greek media that Yetos is lying and trying to manipulate people on Eupedia. I am disgusted by his calculatedly disingenuous, deceitful, underhanded, manipulative, and conniving posts.
Look what he does. I have quoted some respected persons in Greece, this case the professor Antonios Liakos. He has declared the same thing in two different newspapers:

Antonis Liakos (https://antonisliakos.gr/about/)

Professor Liakos was in Bularat the day of the incident. His declaration:
Google translator:

Antonis Liakos on the death of Katsifas: "There was no incident with the raising or lowering of the Greek flag" (https://www.protothema.gr/greece/article/834180/adonis-liakos-gia-thanato-katsifa-den-upirxe-kanena-peristatiko-me-egersi-i-katevasma-ellinikis-simaias/)


Again Professor Liakos for another greek newspaper, efsyn.gr:

In the morning, however, before the anniversary celebrations commenced, the episode with the Greek expatriate, who had occupied the center of the village and shooted in the air with a Kalashnikov. According to what says to efsyn.gr Antonis Liakos, there was no incident with raising the Greek flag or lowering it.
Google translation:
Read how he transform the words of others:

FUNNY ISN"T IT?

ALL THE HIGH OFFICERS WHO WERE IN ΒΟΥΛΙΑΡΑΤΕΣ 28/10
SAY THE SAME THING,

WE DID NOT SEE ANY DOWNHULL OF THE MANY FLAGS
CAUSE ALL WHERE IN THE SAME PLACE, THE CEMETERY,


He (Liakos), and other respected people like him, Greek citizens who were present on the spot explicitly say that there was no incident with the Greek flag.
Totally a different things.
This individual, with his posts has a really offensive attitude, as if he wants to say to others, all of you who read my posts are idiots.
However, this is a matter that is the responsibility of other people.

Yetos
02-11-18, 16:50
Look what he does. I have quoted some respected persons in Greece, this case the professor Antonios Liakos. He has declared the same thing in two different newspapers:

Read how he transform the words of others:

He (Liakos), and other respected people like him, Greek citizens who were present on the spot explicitly say that there was no incident with the Greek flag.
Totally a different things.
This individual, with his posts has a really offensive attitude, as if he wants to say to others, all of you who read my posts are idiots.
However, this is a matter that is the responsibility of other people.

offcourse,
but in Greek justice people testify that there was one dowhull,
one of the big ones the boy had,

you post every crup of PAGKALOS KRANIDIOTIS ETC
BUT YOU DO NOT POST THE REPORTS OF THE GREEK JUSTICE AND POLICE WHY?

WHY you do not post the result of the forensic lawyer surgeon??????

WHICH SAYS THAT THE BOY WAS SHOOTED BY 25 METERS in chest and by less in head,
AND THE SHOOT WAS WHILE HE WAS STANDING WITH OPEN HANDS?

PLZ CAN YOU FIND AND POST IT?
I am certain No you can't
cause truth is like a pain in the ass

So plz read and post/link us the results of the forensic lawyer surgeon
But you won't

STANDING WITH OPEN HANDS IS NOT A POSITION THAT CAN SOMEONE SHOOT, OR HOLD A GUN,
IT A POSITION OF someone who SURRENDER

Shooting a guy who surrenders IS IT A CRIME OR NOT?

maybe Albanian police is the same time police, judge, and executioner,
by constitunional law?????
Is that happening?

Johane Derite
02-11-18, 20:44
Look what he does.

Yeah he is literally trying everything possible to derail. He is trying to shift attention away from the Terrorist incident and where it leads the discussion. (Golden Dawn, Vorio Epir, etc)

Also, he is referring to a 35 year old man as "The Boy" to make him appear a child and manipulate with people's empathy. Since when are 35 year olds children?

Johane Derite
02-11-18, 20:47
Look what he does..

All to minimize, over-stimulate, and confuse people so that they lose focus of the Terrorist event.

Can you imagine, Albania and Greece are both NATO members, if someone had done this in another NATO country?

LABERIA
02-11-18, 21:02
All to minimize, over-stimulate, and confuse people so that they lose focus of the Terrorist event.
Can you imagine, Albania and Greece are both NATO members, if someone had done this in another NATO country?
When the situation calms down, the Greeks must answer many questions. First of all, the responsibility is moral. What they did is a stab in the back to us, it's a shame. Let's forget for a moment the controversies about these cemeteries that i tried to explain a bit in one of my previous posts. But what happened in few words? We have opened the doors of our home, respecting their fallen who do not have to stay here, but return to their country as did all the other countries that lost soldiers in Albania, and on the one hand they smile with hipocrisy during the ceremony and on the other hand they make this thing behind the shoulders with this terrorist. Shame on Greece.
What i can not imagine is how this country called Greece is part of NATO and EU, in few words of the civilized world. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

Yetos
03-11-18, 03:11
offcourse,

Maybe Greek must answer who Funds and who is trully serving RENYA?

Maybe Greek must answer also for Saimir Tahiri?YOU GUYS SHOULD ASHAMED,
YOU TOOK A PRSOnAL CASE OF A BULLYING POLICEmAN
AND ASSASINATE AN INNOCENT ROMANTIC,
AND YOU THROW MUD ON HIM

MAY YOUR GODS REWARD YOU AS YOU DESERVE,

PS
what was the case of Saimir Tahiri?
how many assasinations are behind?


BTW
the only ones who a terrorist is just you guys,
rama see a menta ill
AND ALL THE WORLD HAVE SEEN AN ASSASINATION OF A ROMANTIC BOY

THE REPORT ESSAY OF THE FORENSIC LAWYER IS CLEAR,
SHOOTING AN UNARMED MAN WHO SURRENDERED,

Even terrorists the effort is to arrest them to bring to justice,
but you execute him?
Why?
What is that? that Albanian police wanted to hide from justice?

and since you live in Albania, who and what was saimir tahiri?

Boreas
03-11-18, 16:04
Just a question, this topic was about Macedonia name dispute, wasn't it?

When both side, shout like shame you

Guys, shame on all people in Balkans,

The least devoloped part of Europe but the most arrogant

http://www.pewforum.org/2018/10/29/eastern-and-western-europeans-differ-on-importance-of-religion-views-of-minorities-and-key-social-issues/pf-10-29-18_east-west_-00-03/

LABERIA
03-11-18, 16:14
Just a question, this topic was about Macedonia name dispute, wasn't it?
And the actions of this terrorist have connections with the name dispute. You have to read the entire thread to understand the connection, i have explained it and i don`t intend to explain it again.

When both side, shout like shame you

Guys, shame on all people in Balkans,

The least devoloped part of Europe but the most arrogant

http://www.pewforum.org/2018/10/29/eastern-and-western-europeans-differ-on-importance-of-religion-views-of-minorities-and-key-social-issues/pf-10-29-18_east-west_-00-03/

That word shame, keep it for yourself, without going deeper in details.

blevins13
03-11-18, 16:28
offcourse,

Maybe Greek must answer who Funds and who is trully serving RENYA?

Maybe Greek must answer also for Saimir Tahiri?YOU GUYS SHOULD ASHAMED,
YOU TOOK A PRSOnAL CASE OF A BULLYING POLICEmAN
AND ASSASINATE AN INNOCENT ROMANTIC,
AND YOU THROW MUD ON HIM

MAY YOUR GODS REWARD YOU AS YOU DESERVE,

PS
what was the case of Saimir Tahiri?
how many assasinations are behind?


BTW
the only ones who a terrorist is just you guys,
rama see a menta ill
AND ALL THE WORLD HAVE SEEN AN ASSASINATION OF A ROMANTIC BOY

THE REPORT ESSAY OF THE FORENSIC LAWYER IS CLEAR,
SHOOTING AN UNARMED MAN WHO SURRENDERED,

Even terrorists the effort is to arrest them to bring to justice,
but you execute him?
Why?
What is that? that Albanian police wanted to hide from justice?

and since you live in Albania, who and what was saimir tahiri?

Why execute him? .....why not he was armed and dangerous......at least the Albanian SWat has not claimed that the weapon was fired involuntarily, ....like Greek police does when they kill unarmed Albanian.

The message is clear now, armed Greeks in Albania, above 30 years old will be killed....don’t do it any more.

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LABERIA
03-11-18, 16:36
Why execute him? .....why not he was armed and dangerous......at least the Albanian SWat has not claimed that the weapon was fired involuntarily, ....like Greek police does when they kill unarmed Albanian.

The message is clear now, armed Greeks in Albania, above 30 years old will be killed....don’t do it any more.

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From the first indiscretions that come out after the internal analysis made by the RENEA, Katisafas was killed in the moment when he fired at the negotiator.

Yetos
03-11-18, 19:32
the forensic lawyer surgeon report is clear,

EXECUTION

not killed in Battle.

LABERIA
03-11-18, 20:04
the forensic lawyer surgeon report is clear,

EXECUTION

not killed in Battle.

Can you share with us this report?

blevins13
03-11-18, 20:27
Can you share with us this report?

Yes he will share more lies.....


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Yetos
04-11-18, 02:29
you are funny,
you speak by your shelfs,
and you agree with each other,

you link Pagkalos the giant of stipidity
you point Kranidiotis who is a politician that is not elected,

BUT YOU DO NOT LINK THE REPORTS
AND THE UNTIL TODAY RESULTS OF THE REPORT,
NEITHER THE CONFERANCE OF THE GREEK INVESTIGATION TEAM,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ0eV_a5fGE

https://www.el.gr/ethnos/omogeneia/iatrodikastis-voygioyklakis-den-exetastike-opos-eprepe-i-soros-toy-k-katsifa/
http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/455377/ellinas-iatrodikastis-poy-eide-ton-katsifa-i-aisthisi-moy-einai-pos-anoixe-ta-heria-kai
http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/455060/ypothesi-katsifa-o-iatrodikastis-eide-ti-soro-mono-5-lepta-eihe-plythei-kai-syrrafei

As strangely you did not link/post a more official post of an elected and govermental,
Although I do not like him, Katrougkalos who is Minister today
SAYS CLEAR,

https://www.patrasevents.gr/article/377694-katrougkalos-gia-katsifa-na-xithei-fos-stin-ipothesi


@ Laberia

I find your stance here for this subject very 'strange'
you link all crap,
but non the correct official ones,
just the ideas of non elected politicians
AND YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE YOU?
OR YOU MAKE THIS IN PURPOSE FOR IMPRESSIONS?

you ask for the Greek Forensic lawyer report,
DID YOU EVER READ THE ALBANIAN REPORT OF THE FORENSIC?

LABERIA,
WHY ALBANIAN POLICE WASH THE CHLOROCHAMICALS THE BODY OF THE DEAD?
AND WHY SEW/NEETLED THE WOUNDS?

COME ON GUYS,

ALL YOU LINK AND POST IS JUST CRUP.
THE MOST CORRECT IS THE UNTIL TODAY OFFCIAL STANCE OF GREEK GOVERMENT
WHICH IS MORE LIGHT TO THE CASE.
ALBANIAN POLICE IS HIDING SOMETHING,

ok guys,
are you satisfied now,

Now go back to top channel and E Rama and listen to crap
about terrorism and mental illness.

KATSIFAS CASE IS MORE,
AND WE DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT POLITCS HERE,
THE BULLING/RESPOND/HUNT/SURRENDER/EXTERMINATE
IS JUST A SEAK AND HIDE WITH TRUTH,
AND I DO NOT SEE ALBANIAN POLICE TO REVEAL/ TO DROP LIGHT ON THE CASE.


THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE, AND INFRONT YOU,

LABERIA
04-11-18, 07:10
you are funny,
you speak by your shelfs,
and you agree with each other,
you link Pagkalos the giant of stipidity
you point Kranidiotis who is a politician that is not elected,
BUT YOU DO NOT LINK THE REPORTS
AND THE UNTIL TODAY RESULTS OF THE REPORT,
NEITHER THE CONFERANCE OF THE GREEK INVESTIGATION TEAM,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ0eV_a5fGE
https://www.el.gr/ethnos/omogeneia/iatrodikastis-voygioyklakis-den-exetastike-opos-eprepe-i-soros-toy-k-katsifa/
http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/455377/ellinas-iatrodikastis-poy-eide-ton-katsifa-i-aisthisi-moy-einai-pos-anoixe-ta-heria-kai
http://www.iefimerida.gr/news/455060/ypothesi-katsifa-o-iatrodikastis-eide-ti-soro-mono-5-lepta-eihe-plythei-kai-syrrafei
As strangely you did not link/post a more official post of an elected and govermental,
Although I do not like him, Katrougkalos who is Minister today
SAYS CLEAR,
https://www.patrasevents.gr/article/377694-katrougkalos-gia-katsifa-na-xithei-fos-stin-ipothesi
@ Laberia
I find your stance here for this subject very 'strange'
you link all crap,
but non the correct official ones,
just the ideas of non elected politicians
AND YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE YOU?
OR YOU MAKE THIS IN PURPOSE FOR IMPRESSIONS?
you ask for the Greek Forensic lawyer report,
DID YOU EVER READ THE ALBANIAN REPORT OF THE FORENSIC?
LABERIA,
WHY ALBANIAN POLICE WASH THE CHLOROCHAMICALS THE BODY OF THE DEAD?
AND WHY SEW/NEETLED THE WOUNDS?
COME ON GUYS,
ALL YOU LINK AND POST IS JUST CRUP.
THE MOST CORRECT IS THE UNTIL TODAY OFFCIAL STANCE OF GREEK GOVERMENT
WHICH IS MORE LIGHT TO THE CASE.
ALBANIAN POLICE IS HIDING SOMETHING,
ok guys,
are you satisfied now,
Now go back to top channel and E Rama and listen to crap
about terrorism and mental illness.
KATSIFAS CASE IS MORE,
AND WE DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT POLITCS HERE,
THE BULLING/RESPOND/HUNT/SURRENDER/EXTERMINATE
IS JUST A SEAK AND HIDE WITH TRUTH,
AND I DO NOT SEE ALBANIAN POLICE TO REVEAL/ TO DROP LIGHT ON THE CASE.
THE TRUTH IS SIMPLE, AND INFRONT YOU,
And the report, where is the forensic lawyer surgeon report?

the forensic lawyer surgeon report is clear,
EXECUTION
not killed in Battle.

Yetos
04-11-18, 10:38
And the report, where is the forensic lawyer surgeon report?

Do I speak with deaf man?

LABERIA
04-11-18, 11:24
Do I speak with deaf man?

The report, where is the report?

the forensic lawyer surgeon report is clear,

EXECUTION

not killed in Battle.

Yetos
05-11-18, 00:20
The report, where is the report?

I gave you 1000 links,

And the video of the family lawyer reading parts of the report,
and you still play stupid tricks,


What can someone say,
Just pathetic, speaking with a blind and a DEAF man

blevins13
05-11-18, 00:42
I gave you 1000 links,

And the video of the family lawyer reading parts of the report,
and you still play stupid tricks,


What can someone say,
Just pathetic, speaking with a blind and a DEAF man

Give us the link of the Fck report man....


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05-11-18, 07:27
Give us the link of the Fck report man....


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Another deaf one?
and blind one,

100 links
and 1 video,

and they see and hear nothing

LABERIA
05-11-18, 07:38
Another deaf one?
and blind one,
100 links
and 1 video,
and they see and hear nothing
And we are asking you to post here one link, the link of this so-called forensic lawyer surgeon report. None of the links you posted support your claim:

the forensic lawyer surgeon report is clear,

EXECUTION

not killed in Battle.
When you intend to post the link of this report? Or you have to admit here that you are a liar.

blevins13
05-11-18, 11:26
Another deaf one?
and blind one,

100 links
and 1 video,

and they see and hear nothing

Why you make so difficult....post one more link for the report not 100 links of nothing.


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Yetos
05-11-18, 21:57
Why you make so difficult....post one more link for the report not 100 links of nothing.


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and why you complain?

you have so many links and one video,
what else you want?
to make impressions?

LABERIA
05-11-18, 22:45
and why you complain?

you have so many links and one video,
what else you want?
to make impressions?

And where the word report is mentioned in your links? You are a liar. Links that you have posted do not say anything about this forensic lawyer surgeon report.

LABERIA
05-11-18, 22:49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAZNlCZzVU
Οι «Σωφρονιστές» - Αγάθων Ιακωβίδης

Yetos
06-11-18, 22:35
And where the word report is mentioned in your links? You are a liar. Links that you have posted do not say anything about this forensic lawyer surgeon report.


you are very funny,

indeed,

your fear is obvious,
cause all links and video mention even the name of the forensic surgeon,

No need to discuss with you anymore,
your hate against truth is obvious,

Yetos
06-11-18, 22:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bAZNlCZzVU
Οι «Σωφρονιστές» - Αγάθων Ιακωβίδης





you are funny indeed,
indeed,

You just spam tottaly different cases,
to make impressions,
YET even in your case, GREEK JUSTICE HAD THE LAST WORD.
WHICH NEITHER SUCH HAPPENED AT 1994 AT ALBANIA
NEITHER IN CASE OF LAST CASE OF THE BOY KATSIFAS

search why?

LABERIA
06-11-18, 23:10
you are very funny,

indeed,

your fear is obvious,
cause all links and video mention even the name of the forensic surgeon,

No need to discuss with you anymore,
your hate against truth is obvious,
Your behavior here is scandalous.

LABERIA
07-11-18, 00:33
Finally a reasonable voice in Greece.


«Η δολοφονία Κατσίφα έγινε στη νότια Αλβανία όχι στη Βόρειο Ήπειρο», είπε ο Φίλης (https://www.altsantiri.gr/parapolitika/i-dolofonia-katsifa-egine-sti-notia-alvania-ochi-sti-voreio-ipeiro-eipe-o-filis/)



"Katsifa murder occurred in southern Albania not in Northern Epirus," Filis said

"Do you imagine that a Turk will come to Thrace with a Kalashnikov and raise the Turkish flag and shoot against the police?"
PARALLEL
Published on 6-11-2018 - 22: 02pm Last Updated 6-11-2018 - 22: 14pm


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The events that took place in Albania and led to the murder of Constantine Katsifa were reported by Nikos Filis. Former Minister of Education and SYRIZA MP in an interview with TV Creta commented on everything that has been done.

"When a person goes with a Kalashnikov in a foreign country, he raises the Greek flag," he said when the reporter asking questions about "which area of ​​a foreign country? It has a peculiarity in this area. "

Nikos Filis, in turn, supported. "It is Southern Albania. I say it again and i watch the words. It is Southern Albania, not Northern Epirus. Albanian lands are in the Albanian sovereignty and there lived and lives unfortunately to a lesser extent, because many people have left, the Greek minority. This is another story. Do you imagine a Turk coming to Thrace with a Kalashnikov and raising the Turkish flag and shooting against the police? What would you say? "


And here is the video with the interview of the Greek ex-Minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK2Ki4rCmC8
Εφ ' ολης της ύλης ο Ν Φίλης στην τηλεόραση κρέτα
For all the stuff N Filis is on the television

Yetos
07-11-18, 07:56
Your behavior here is scandalous.

what about yours?

Yetos
07-11-18, 07:58
@ Laberia

Philis?

you are funny,
you have took the leader of nihillists and link him,?
the man who sleeps awake?
come on man,

LABERIA
07-11-18, 10:19
14 SYRIZA deputies denounce the Star channel for fake news (https://www.skaipatras.gr/2018/11/06/14-voyleytes-toy-syriza-kataggelloyn-to-kanali-star-gia-fake-news/)

EVI PANOUSIS 17:29 NOVEMBER 6, 2018
Star TV broadcasts strike 14 SYRIZA MPs accusing the news release of fake news about the murder of Constantine Katsifa by the Albanian authorities.
The government's MPs asked Nikos Pappas, "False and misleading reports about the episode in the village of Vouliarates in Albania," denouncing Star that "he reproduced shamefully false videos, contributing in his own way to misleading the common opinion, especially on such a sensitive issue that concerns Greece's relations with the neighboring country ", and they are asking the ESR to impose sanctions, arguing that this television station has also relayed rosfato past fake news.
"The news of recent days has been heavily concerned with the incident that took place on Sunday, October 28, 2018, in the village of Vouliarates, Albania, where a Greek expatriate lost his life after a firefight with the police, with the Foreign Ministry demanding from the very first moment clarifying the case by Albanian justice ", stressed Karagiannidis Christos, Akrioti Giorgos, Giolas Yiannis, Thivaios Nikos, Iglesi Katerina, Kavvadia Annetta, Kaias Giorgos, Kiritsis Giorgos, Morfidis Kostas, Balaouras Gerasimos, D Zimanis Giorgos, Pallis Yorgos, Skoufa Betty and Stamatakis Eleniwho signed the question and added: "This serious incident rushed to exploit for reasons of impressure a number of bogus and dubious credibility websites, which claimed that the 35-year-old Greek was not killed during the shootout but was arrested by the Albanian police and then executed in cold blood".
The same is invoked by ellinikahoaxes.gr, which states that "in order to prove their so-called websites, they used videos and pictures of an irrelevant arrest that occurred in 2014. Suffice it to say that, according to the previously known facts, the time of the 35-year-old's death is at about 4:00 pm, while the plans of his alleged arrest are nightly. " "If this incident of spreading false and misleading news was limited to marginal web pages, their impact might have been of equal importance. However, this did not happen, as the national television station STAR reproduced these seemingly false videos, contributing in its own way to misleading public opinion, especially in such a sensitive issue that concerns Greece's relations with the neighboring country, "the MPs say, adding:" Given that such a television station has the greatest ability to cross the news it transmits, the only possibility remains the deliberate cultivation of confusion to Greek citizens. It is worth noting that this is not the first time this channel has been broadcasting a false report, since on 22 March this year it had broadcast an interview that had proven to be false and for which the National Council of Radio and Television had formed a file. " as the only possibility remains the deliberate cultivation of confusion among Greek citizens. It is worth noting that this is not the first time this channel has been broadcasting a false report, since on 22 March this year it had broadcast an interview that had proven to be false and for which the National Council of Radio and Television had formed a file. " as the only possibility remains the deliberate cultivation of confusion among Greek citizens. It is worth noting that this is not the first time this channel has been broadcasting a false report, since on 22 March this year it had broadcast an interview that had proven to be false and for which the National Council of Radio and Television had formed a file. "
Finally, they ask the responsible ministers: "What initiatives have they taken to restore the truth? What action will the National Council on Radio and Television promote on this issue? Will the responsibilities of the STAR television station management for this incident be sought? "

Yetos
07-11-18, 21:36
14 SYRIZA deputies denounce the Star channel for fake news (https://www.skaipatras.gr/2018/11/06/14-voyleytes-toy-syriza-kataggelloyn-to-kanali-star-gia-fake-news/)


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

All of them belong to the ex-anti-american block,
the Che-Guevarra friends,

Do you support S American style sosialism?
Che Guevarra style?
cause if you agree with them,
then surely are a friend of S American Rebellion parties !!! :heart::heart: :heart::heart::heart:


oof course,
He also will say the same with the other you mention

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07-11-18, 21:44
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All of them belong to the ex-anti-american block,
the Che-Guevarra friends,

Do you support S American style sosialism?
Che Guevarra style?
cause if you agree with them,
then surely are a friend of S American Rebellion parties !!! :heart::heart: :heart::heart::heart:


oof course,
He also will say the same with the other you mention

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Your posts are totally stupid. For this reason just stop quoting me.

Yetos
07-11-18, 21:52
Your post are totally stupid. For this reason just stop quoting me.


hahaha

you post the name of the 14 ex-communists Che's friends,
and now is stupid ?

You are funny,

PLZ READ THIS

ALBANIA IS AFRAID TO SEND KATSIFAS TO TRIAL
CAUSE THIS MIGHT INVOLVE EU INVESTIGATORS FROM THE SOLIDARITY TO MINORITIES DEPARTMENT,
In fact not only gave back the corpse to family,
not only stoped all Albanian judges to pass the dead a trial,
But is also Asking from Greek Leftists to support the sosialistic international which Rama's party belong
and tomorrow will accept tenths of thousands of Greeks
with well-coming

https://www.inewsgr.com/147/theocharous-zita-paremvasi-ee-gia-tin-ypothesi-katsifa.htm


the truth,


As you see things are not like 1994,
where you easily could accuse everyone and everything as suspect or quilty for different crimes
and you gather the 4 to pass them a trial.

1994 belongs to past,
you want to be EU member,
you will cooperate and work as EU demands
and not wash the evidences of the body, or sew the wounds
in an effort to hide the truth.
https://www.protothema.gr/greece/article/834382/dikigoras-katsifa/

Forensic report. the man is the lawyer of the family.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ0eV_a5fGE


RAMA MANAGE TO MAKE A NEW HERO-MARTYR
THANK YOU RAMA

LABERIA
08-11-18, 07:14
Prosecutor Orders Probe Following Kotzias Lawsuit (https://greece.greekreporter.com/2018/11/06/prosecutor-orders-probe-following-kotzias-lawsuit/amp/)

Supreme Court Prosecutor Xeni Dimitriou has ordered an investigation following a lawsuit filed by former foreign minister Nikos Kotzias for defamation and dissemination of false news against him.

Kotzias resigned last month after a rift with Defense Minister Panos Kammenos over the Prespa agreement on the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) name change. Kammenos opposes the agreement, which Kotzias considers to be a great diplomatic success.

In his lawsuit, Kotzias mentions specific media reports that were aimed at intimidating him to stop the completion of the deal with Skopje. Reports also alleged that millions of euros in Foreign Ministry funds were spent in secret to promote the acceptance of the Prespa agreement by opposition politicians.

Kotzias also denies any ealings with American-Hungarian billionaire investor George Soros, an avid proponent of the FYROM accession to the EU and NATO, for which the name agreement with Greece is a prerequisite.

Furthermore, Kotzias claims that he has received threats against his life, as a result of signing and promoting the Prespa agreement.

Yetos
08-11-18, 08:14
a moarning song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqLzcsSY2zM

LABERIA
08-11-18, 09:09
a moarning song


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqLzcsSY2zM

Finally you start to behave like normal person.
I appreciate the you posted this beautiful piece of melody from South Albania. The famous saze of South Albania or Epir, it's the same.
Just please, don't ruin everything and start to post those strange songs of your ancestors with oudi.

Yetos
08-11-18, 20:05
Finally you start to behave like normal person.
I appreciate the you posted this beautiful piece of melody from South Albania. The famous saze of South Albania or Epir, it's the same.
Just please, don't ruin everything and start to post those strange songs of your ancestors with oudi.

bad taste of humor
as always,
my ancestors played Zourna, outi, lyra, clarino, tampoyra
what ever they like,


ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ ΑΤΗΑΝΑΤΟS (IMMORTAL)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&amp;v=dE7cYuiM6OI


BTW?
why Albanian police arrests 20 persons after the Funeral?
That is a good question


Oh not to forget Rama,
cause his policy, JUST ADD Another hero in the Neo-Greek Pantheon

Gabriele Pashaj
08-11-18, 20:46
bad taste of humor
as always,
my ancestors played Zourna, outi, lyra, clarino, tampoyra
what ever they like,


ΑΘΑΝΑΤΟΣ ΑΤΗΑΝΑΤΟS (IMMORTAL)

<font size="5"><span style="color:#0000cd;"><strong>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&amp;v=dE7cYuiM6OI


BTW?
why Albanian police arrests 20 persons after the Funeral?
That is a good question


Oh not to forget Rama,
cause his policy, JUST ADD Another hero in the Neo-Greek Pantheon


Ehi bro .. chill you down please ... I think that what happened in Albania would have happened also in Greece .... do you think that an albanian terrorist could have been treated better than Kacifas!? My answer is not ... so stop and before writing with hatred ponder on your words.... and remember that our peoples are genetically related so .... stop ..

Yetos
08-11-18, 22:24
Ehi bro .. chill you down please ... I think that what happened in Albania would have happened also in Greece .... do you think that an albanian terrorist could have been treated better than Kacifas!? My answer is not ... so stop and before writing with hatred ponder on your words.... and remember that our peoples are genetically related so .... stop ..

bro,
baptising someone terrorist is easy,
but his acts do not show a terrorist,
so plz If you want me to stop.
same the same to some other members here,

Lets see the facts one one,
lets see the reports one by one
and lets see the Judge,
Oh sorry, no Judge report? :shocked:
then what happened? :thinking:
lets say he was terrorist to cover the case, diplomatic agreement, :beer1:

well :useless: :useless: :useless:

Gabriele Pashaj
09-11-18, 11:03
bro,
baptising someone terrorist is easy,
but his acts do not show a terrorist,
so plz If you want me to stop.
same the same to some other members here,

Lets see the facts one one,
lets see the reports one by one
and lets see the Judge,
Oh sorry, no Judge report? :shocked:
then what happened? :thinking:
lets say he was terrorist to cover the case, diplomatic agreement, :beer1:

well :useless: :useless: :useless:

It suffices that we do not make war for a misfortune ... it suffices that .. bye

Yetos
09-11-18, 22:13
It suffices that we do not make war for a misfortune ... it suffices that .. bye


That is why we have and use indepented Justice,

Or not?

Yetos
09-11-18, 22:32
14 SYRIZA deputies denounce the Star channel for fake news (https://www.skaipatras.gr/2018/11/06/14-voyleytes-toy-syriza-kataggelloyn-to-kanali-star-gia-fake-news/)
Star TV broadcasts strike 14 SYRIZA MPs accusing the news release of fake news about the murder of Constantine Katsifa by the Albanian authorities.
The government's MPs asked Nikos Pappas, "False and misleading reports about the episode in the village of Vouliarates in Albania," denouncing Star that "he reproduced shamefully false videos, contributing in his own way to misleading the common opinion, especially on such a sensitive issue that concerns Greece's relations with the neighboring country ", and they are asking the ESR to impose sanctions, arguing that this television station has also relayed rosfato past fake news.
"The news of recent days has been heavily concerned with the incident that took place on Sunday, October 28, 2018, in the village of Vouliarates, Albania, where a Greek expatriate lost his life after a firefight with the police, with the Foreign Ministry demanding from the very first moment clarifying the case by Albanian justice ", stressed Karagiannidis Christos, Akrioti Giorgos, Giolas Yiannis, Thivaios Nikos, Iglesi Katerina, Kavvadia Annetta, Kaias Giorgos, Kiritsis Giorgos, Morfidis Kostas, Balaouras Gerasimos, D Zimanis Giorgos, Pallis Yorgos, Skoufa Betty and Stamatakis Eleniwho signed the question and added: "This serious incident rushed to exploit for reasons of impressure a number of bogus and dubious credibility websites, which claimed that the 35-year-old Greek was not killed during the shootout but was arrested by the Albanian police and then executed in cold blood".
The same is invoked by ellinikahoaxes.gr, which states that "in order to prove their so-called websites, they used videos and pictures of an irrelevant arrest that occurred in 2014. Suffice it to say that, according to the previously known facts, the time of the 35-year-old's death is at about 4:00 pm, while the plans of his alleged arrest are nightly. " "If this incident of spreading false and misleading news was limited to marginal web pages, their impact might have been of equal importance. However, this did not happen, as the national television station STAR reproduced these seemingly false videos, contributing in its own way to misleading public opinion, especially in such a sensitive issue that concerns Greece's relations with the neighboring country, "the MPs say, adding:" Given that such a television station has the greatest ability to cross the news it transmits, the only possibility remains the deliberate cultivation of confusion to Greek citizens. It is worth noting that this is not the first time this channel has been broadcasting a false report, since on 22 March this year it had broadcast an interview that had proven to be false and for which the National Council of Radio and Television had formed a file. " as the only possibility remains the deliberate cultivation of confusion among Greek citizens. It is worth noting that this is not the first time this channel has been broadcasting a false report, since on 22 March this year it had broadcast an interview that had proven to be false and for which the National Council of Radio and Television had formed a file. " as the only possibility remains the deliberate cultivation of confusion among Greek citizens. It is worth noting that this is not the first time this channel has been broadcasting a false report, since on 22 March this year it had broadcast an interview that had proven to be false and for which the National Council of Radio and Television had formed a file. "
Finally, they ask the responsible ministers: "What initiatives have they taken to restore the truth? What action will the National Council on Radio and Television promote on this issue? Will the responsibilities of the STAR television station management for this incident be sought? "



Laberia I wonder after all that post about Pagkalos and Phillis etc etc
You hear that
THE GREEK PARLIAMENT MADE 1 Minute silence to Honor Katsifas ????????


Why you post about the 14?
it is your democratic right to do so,
and you do not post about the 300?
it is dignity and man's honor to do so now.

blevins13
09-11-18, 22:48
That is why we have and use indepented Justice,

Or not?

Hero or terrorist still a question? But if you believe Albanian SWAT have executed him without any reason and he was a hero come and avenge him. It is a patriotic duty.


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Yetos
10-11-18, 00:20
Hero or terrorist still a question? But if you believe Albanian SWAT have executed him without any reason and he was a hero come and avenge him. It is a patriotic duty.


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Hahaha,

nice challenge,
but only cheap style getto gang bulling

from whom you learn such tricks,

I respect the Godess, She waits for Justice to be given,
and if not, then she will guide her challenger,

Do not challenge Nemesis soul, thoughts, and work,

Gabriele Pashaj
10-11-18, 00:22
That is why we have and use indepented Justice,

Or not?

!?!? Che cosa hai detto scusami !? Ahaha

Yetos
10-11-18, 00:28
!?!? Che cosa hai detto scusami !? Ahaha


Hahaha

mi sigurni io, ne vantin tuaz (or vatan?)


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

blevins13
10-11-18, 01:16
Hahaha,

nice challenge,
but only cheap style getto gang bulling

from whom you learn such tricks,

I respect the Godess, She waits for Justice to be given,
and if not, then she will guide her challenger,

Do not challenge Nemesis soul, thoughts, and work,

No bulling here.....according to you a flag was dawn even there were thousands of flags up.....a hero came up.....but executed prematurely by Albanian Swat...::than the Greeks should wake up and avenge him.......why live it to the Godess.


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blevins13
10-11-18, 01:19
Hahaha

mi sigurni io, ne vantin tuaz (or vatan?)


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

: laughing : laughing laughing.....but a Greek man was dead.....you should laugh less....and make sense more.


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Yetos
10-11-18, 08:15
No bulling here.....according to you a flag was dawn even there were thousands of flags up.....a hero came up.....but executed prematurely by Albanian Swat...::than the Greeks should wake up and avenge him.......why live it to the Godess.


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because godess has ears, and listened
because godess has eyes, and have seen
and avenging belongs to her,
if she choose me, I will do such willingly,
but she waits,
she waits for justice to be given by her servants the Judges,
(in this case Albanian 'constitutional independent' :laughing::laughing: Judges)
If not, then she will decide how and when,

LABERIA
10-11-18, 09:04
and remember that our peoples are genetically related so .... stop ..
We are related only with a part of the Greeks. There is a group of Greeks, "natives" composed, by Balkan people, Albanian, Vlachs and Slavs. We are related with these people because they are Albanians or Balkanite people.
There is a second group of people arrived in Greece from Asia Minor during the exchange of population between Greece and Turkey following an agreement between the two states in year 1923.
There is also a third group of people arrived in Greece from Africa.
With both these groups we are absolutely not related by blood, language, traditions, etc and of course i think we are not related with these two groups even by genetics.

Gabriele Pashaj
10-11-18, 09:40
We are related only with a part of the Greeks. There is a group of Greeks, "natives" composed, by Balkan people, Albanian, Vlachs and Slavs. We are related with these people because they are Albanians or Balkanite people.
There is a second group of people arrived in Greece from Asia Minor during the exchange of population between Greece and Turkey following an agreement between the two states in year 1923.
There is also a third group of people arrived in Greece from Africa.
With both these groups we are absolutely not related by blood, language, traditions, etc and of course i think we are not related with these two groups even by genetics.

Perfect.. thank you for your explanation... I forgot the population exchange that brought many ‘turk greeks’ in Europe