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Angela
22-11-17, 22:00
This is from a poster of a recently presented paper by C. Eduardo Amorim

See:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sgvuxv3h2p09aju/poster_hinxton.pdf?dl=0

This is another one where I'm going to need the actual paper to figure out what's going on.

Did they find that the Langobard samples from Hungary already included samples much like Finns and other far north and northeastern Europeans and also ones that were already very "Italian like". One of those Hungary samples lands practically on my head going by it's placement on the map of Italian variation.

Is the exact same thing true for the samples found in the Lombard sample in western Piemonte?

As to the former I suppose it makes sense as a sign that the Langobards mixed with still very EEF like populations in Iron Age Hungary.

However, if that's the case, then how can any estimates be made of how much impact the Langobards had on northern and Central Italian genetics?

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Also, what do they mean about all these CEU samples in northern Italy. Didn't they use anything other than 1000 genomes? What they may be picking up is "Celtic" samples from the Celtic migrations into Northern Italy that first arrived around 400 BC.

Also, what place and time period does that lone "Roman" sample come from? It seems to place at the meeting point between Spanish and Northern Italian populations. "Roman" meant different things at different time periods. Is it a local sample from Piemonte from the same time as the Langobard settlement?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Also, if you can get bigger and clearer pictures of the various graphics in the poster that would be great.

Pax Augusta
22-11-17, 22:55
This is from a poster of a recently presented paper by C. Eduardo Amorim

See:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sgvuxv3h2p09aju/poster_hinxton.pdf?dl=0

This is another one where I'm going to need the actual paper to figure out what's going on.

Did they find that the Langobard samples from Hungary already included samples much like Finns and other far north and northeastern Europeans and also ones that were already very "Italian like". One of those Hungary samples lands practically on my head going by it's placement on the map of Italian variation.

Is the exact same thing true for the samples found in the Lombard sample in western Piemonte?

As to the former I suppose it makes sense as a sign that the Langobards mixed with still very EEF like populations in Iron Age Hungary.

However, if that's the case, then how can any estimates be made of how much impact the Langobards had on northern and Central Italian genetics?

9459

Also, what do they mean about all these CEU samples in northern Italy. Didn't they use anything other than 1000 genomes? What they may be picking up is "Celtic" samples from the Celtic migrations into Northern Italy that first arrived around 400 BC.

Also, what place and time period does that lone "Roman" sample come from? It seems to place at the meeting point between Spanish and Northern Italian populations. "Roman" meant different things at different time periods. Is it a local sample from Piemonte from the same time as the Langobard settlement?

Any insights would be greatly appreciated.

Also, if you can get bigger and clearer pictures of the various graphics in the poster that would be great.

What is SK in the PCA? Roman with southern French or north-western Italians?

Angela
22-11-17, 23:38
What is SK in the PCA? Roman with southern French? Oh, right. Eduardo Amorim sounds so Atlantic facade.

No, it means Slovakia. That's a sample which somehow was labeled Slovakian in the original Novembre study, I think, but clearly is not. It's been wrong ever since. Novembre would have to be the one to correct the PCA by removing it. Just ignore it. They're just using it to plot the ancient samples on a broadly European dataset.

Do you have any idea what's going on with those samples?

If this was a thread about Levantine samples found in Southern Italy there would be 100 posts by now! :)

Bollox79
23-11-17, 05:54
Any Y-DNA results with these samples???

bicicleur
23-11-17, 10:57
is the TSI component also the result of import from Hungary to Italy, or is this 3-component model to simple to make a differentiation?

Promenade
23-11-17, 13:07
Are these all from the same era? If so it's clear this was no longer a homogenous population by the time they came to Italy and the same can be applied to the Roman sample as a Roman at that time could refer to anyone from Britian to the Levant. I'm guessing we'd see the same thing for the Avars since these two look essentially like Slavs, these weren't homogenous tribes but multi ethnic confederations varying similarly as the Roman Empire did.

Angela
23-11-17, 15:36
is the TSI component also the result of import from Hungary to Italy, or is this 3-component model to simple to make a differentiation?

I have no idea, really, since all I know is what's on the poster to which I linked, and I can't even make out some of the graphs.

I doubt there were any Tuscans in Pannonia, though, so I have a feeling perhaps it's that people pretty similar to modern Tuscans were still living in Pannonia all the way into the post Roman era? Perhaps it's like the fact that Globular Amphora people were pretty close to modern Tuscans, or Spain Chalcolithic?

This may be a problem having to do with only using 1000 genomes populations. That's how they wound up with CEU people in Italy too.

@Bollox,
I don't know

@Promenade,
I don't know. This is becoming a theme, isn't it? :) It would seem so to me. I mean, it makes sense for the Italian cemetery, but some of those samples are clearly labeled as coming from the cemetery in present day Hungary.

I think we'll have to wait for the paper, but it certainly is intriguing.

Bollox79
25-11-17, 17:00
Angela,

Looks like an earlier paper was done on the same population? Or is it the same paper? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25369022

Angela
25-11-17, 17:31
Angela,

Looks like an earlier paper was done on the same population? Or is it the same paper? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25369022

I think it's a new paper. The same group has been studying those samples forever. They're slow as molasses in January, almost as bad as the group in Bolzano working on Otzi.

Sile
25-11-17, 18:36
Angela,

Looks like an earlier paper was done on the same population? Or is it the same paper? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25369022


2014 paper....link below is the full paper


http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110793

Wonomyro
25-11-17, 19:42
Could this be helpful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Romance

Angela
25-11-17, 20:21
Could this be helpful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Romance

How interesting. I knew nothing of this culture.

I wonder if it's indeed possible that the Lombards, who seem to have originally been a very northern even northeastern group could have absorbed these people while in Pannonia?

The red marker is Szolad, the Lombard settlement. Look how close it is to Keszthely to its west.

Click to enlarge.
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I wonder if the dates match, though?

Well, I did say one of those Szolad samples lands virtually on my head. :)

Wonomyro
25-11-17, 21:29
How interesting. I knew nothing of this culture.

I wonder if it's indeed possible that the Lombards, who seem to have originally been a very northern even northeastern group could have absorbed these people while in Pannonia?

The red marker is Szolad, the Lombard settlement. Look how close it is to Keszthely to its west.

Click to enlarge.


I wonder if the dates match, though?

Well, I did say one of those Szolad samples lands virtually on my head. :)

I can imagine that Langobards picked most of romanized locals from Panonia and Noricum to repopulate northern Italy:


Following this victory, Alboin decided to lead his people to Italy, which had become severely depopulated and devastated after the long Gothic War (535–554) between the Byzantine Empire and the Ostrogothic Kingdom there.

Such scenario could fairly explain the PCA plot. After most of the Panonian Romans fled to Italy, Slavs from Slovakia and Ukraine repopulated the deserted land.

These Keszthely people were the Roman survivors in Panonia:


Under the Avars, the Roman castle of Fenékpuszta near Keszthely and the surroundings were not occupied, so the original Romanized inhabitants lived on undisturbed. They paid food and artisan goods for peace from the Avars. After 568 new Christian Romanized Pannonians arrived here, probably from the destroyed Aquincum (modern Budapest).

Angela
26-11-17, 03:50
I can imagine that Langobards picked most of romanized locals from Panonia and Noricum to repopulate northern Italy:



Such scenario could fairly explain the PCA plot. After most of the Panonian Romans fled to Italy, Slavs from Slovakia and Ukraine repopulated the deserted land.

These Keszthely people were the Roman survivors in Panonia:

Personally, I no longer take what the ancient authors say all that literally any more. Genetics has already proved them wrong a lot of times. So often, annals in the past were just to inflate the ego of the general or leader. The same thing happened with the Ligures. If you were to believe the Roman reports, all the Apuani were either exterminated or exiled to Sabine lands. Meanwhile , there's no sign of them there, and the mountains of Liguria are full of signs that they fled there and returned later.

In regard to the Lombards, in particular, according to isotope analysis in the first paper by this group they spent only one generation in Pannonia. I don't think there was any triumphant conquest going on: these people were stressed physically, especially the children.

"The child mortality rate of 22.7% exhibited by the age group infans I (0–6 y.) appears higher than that of contemporaneous cemeteries in south-western Germany [26] (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4219681/#pone.0110793-Lohrke1), for instance, but may be a reflection of different burial customs. While the risk of contracting infection and complications generally increases at the end of the nursing period due to the introduction of solid food, many active periosteal lesions of children at Szólád point to additional chronic infectious and deficiency diseases or anaemia which led to a number of infant deaths. Because these findings primarily occur among children with Sr isotope ratios in range II, who, we assume, were born at Szólád, the increased child mortality rate is unlikely to have been caused by a mobile lifestyle. Malnourishment, however, due to the fact that the farming economy had not yet been fully established in the new place of residence, could possibly explain the phenomenon. Both the rich offerings of weaponry in some of the male burials and the recurring evidence of interpersonal violence point to the difficult political situation during the Migration Period."

It looks more like a stop to regroup and gather strength to me, although it's clear the elites had rich grave goods.

"An initial patrilocal group with narrower male but wider female Sr isotope distribution settled at Szólád, whilst the majority of subadults represented in the cemetery yielded a distinct Sr isotope signature. Owing to the virtual absence of Szólád-born adults in the cemetery, we may conclude that the settlement was abandoned after approx. one generation.

I think we're probably looking at a situation where a group of marauding males from far northern Europe picked up women along the way, creating a group with a very wide assortment of mtDna. Poor women, they weren't treated very well. They seem to have been knocked around and to have not had the same diet as the elite males.
" Sex-specific patterns point to social inequality as reflected in the men's preferred access to animal-derived foodstuffs. This is especially remarkable among the well-furnished burials, which probably represent higher social ranks. The collagen stable isotope data do not point to an extensive consumption of freshwater fish, which would have been readily available from Lake Balaton nearby. Whilst further confirmation could be obtained from sulphur isotope data [66] (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4219681/#pone.0110793-Nehlich1), [94] (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4219681/#pone.0110793-Nehlich2), this observation supports the notion that the community had not long arrived in the locality and suggests that they adhered to the sociocultural traditions that had previously been established in areas where fish was less readily available."

Once the paper is released we'll know more, as we can check whether the samples from Hungary with the "CEU" autosomal signature and the "Southern" signature are often women. If the elite males also had varied autosomal signatures we'll know whether they incorporated men from the areas through which they traveled too.

"They have yielded evidence of funerary customs and characteristics of material culture that are comparable to those in the surrounding areas and the regions around the postulated route of migration. This has raised questions and hypotheses regarding the identification and social structure of the Lombards as well as the impact of residential relocation. Despite snippets of information from written records and archaeological evidence it still remains unclear whether any migrations of larger groups took place, or whether the sources were biased by military interests and thus possibly exaggerated the role played by mass movement.:"

"The biological evidence suggests that the residents of Szólád were not a close reproductive community. This is in agreement with the notion of a partnership of convenience that resembled Germanic tribe formations with people of different cultural backgrounds maintaining regular contact with other contemporary gentes. Influence from several different European regions is supported archaeologically by the grave constructions that included ledge graves and graves with straight walls, some of which were surrounded by rectangular or circular ditches. The stylistic analysis of the grave goods, such as brooches and weaponry, revealed parallels to south-western and central Germany, Moravia and the middle Danube as well as to Italy. The latter also indicates the possible presence of members of the Roman population of Pannonia, who had settled the area prior to the Lombard period. "

That reminds me...The use of the word "Romanized" for this Hungarian group gives the impression that they are local people who were just Romanized as to culture. However, take a look at where some of the "Szolad" samples land in Italy. Some of them are very far south. Either this was a refuge area for people who were still largely EEF, or there was a lot of Roman colonization around there.

davef
26-11-17, 07:28
We do have the modern equivalent of those ancient authors you no longer trust; they're the anthro-forum t-rolls and nationalistic blogging nutcases (eurogenes, anyone?).

bicicleur
26-11-17, 10:56
We do have the modern equivalent of those ancient authors you no longer trust; they're the anthro-forum t-rolls and nationalistic blogging nutcases (eurogenes, anyone?).

why only them? they are just a few marginals
we have the climate lobby
we have political correctness

there is fake news and self-declared experts everywhere, also in accepted mainstream and also in traditional media

bicicleur
26-11-17, 11:03
Could this be helpful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Romance

it there some historical connection between these guys and Noricum?

srdceleva
26-11-17, 11:54
No, it means Slovakia. That's a sample which somehow was labeled Slovakian in the original Novembre study, I think, but clearly is not. It's been wrong ever since. Novembre would have to be the one to correct the PCA by removing it. Just ignore it. They're just using it to plot the ancient samples on a broadly European dataset.

Do you have any idea what's going on with those samples?

If this was a thread about Levantine samples found in Southern Italy there would be 100 posts by now! :)The Slovakian sample was from a slovak Jewish guy. It was corrected later by the authors. Real slovaks placed a bit nore north east than czechs

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Wonomyro
26-11-17, 13:54
it there some historical connection between these guys and Noricum? Yes, they were two neigbouring Roman provinces:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b1/Roman_provinces_of_Illyricum%2C_Macedonia%2C_Dacia %2C_Moesia%2C_Pannonia_and_Thracia.jpg

This too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hallstatt_LaTene.png

Wonomyro
26-11-17, 14:05
That reminds me...The use of the word "Romanized" for this Hungarian group gives the impression that they are local people who were just Romanized as to culture. However, take a look at where some of the "Szolad" samples land in Italy. Some of them are very far south. Either this was a refuge area for people who were still largely EEF, or there was a lot of Roman colonization around there.

They seem to represent Roman Empire average. The question is were there also any indigenous Panonians or Dalmatians among them.

If yes, which of the circles could belong to them or be the closest match?

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9459

davef
26-11-17, 15:58
why only them? they are just a few marginals
we have the climate lobby
we have political correctness

there is fake news and self-declared experts everywhere, also in accepted mainstream and also in traditional media

Why only them? I wasn't saying they're the only equivalents. It was just a joke post not to be taken seriously and I wanted to choose a group relevant to anthro forums.

Angela
26-11-17, 18:06
They seem to represent Roman Empire average. The question is were there also any indigenous Panonians or Dalmatians among them.

If yes, which of the circles could belong to them or be the closest match?

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9459

I don't think there was any "Roman average". We have "gladiator" or "soldier" samples from the Roman era in Britain, and they're pretty similar to modern day Brits and Dutch, Belgian, and northern French people. The one "outlier" is clearly from either the Levant or Arabia.

In some areas you do have Roman colonies of veterans, so you would get some admixture, but after a hundred years the signature would start to wash out because of intermarriage with the much larger surrounding population. Anyway, there don't seem to be very many in Pannonia, at least not in the second century, so that part of my speculation upthread is probably wrong.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Romancoloniae.jpg


I think it's far more likely that these "Italian" plotting people are the "native" people of the area. This was densely populated EEF territory. There wasn't the large effect from the Indo-European migrations that we see further north in Europe. Remember the results in Mathiesen et al, where even in the Iron Age the "steppe" component in most of the samples was about 10%, and some of the samples also looked quite "Tuscan" like. Let's not forget that the GAC had many of the hall marks of an Indo-European culture, but they were just MN European farmers genetically. Language change apparently took more, but 10-20% seems to have been enough.

The closest ancient population to modern Italians is often the Hungarian Bronze Age, which also isn't very "steppe". Actually, a lot of this is starting to fall into place for me.

As for the "CEU" type samples, I'm not sure why the authors are surprised. The area had experienced its own "Celtic" migrations, similar to what had happened in Northern Italy and all the way down to Rome. I would think there might be "Celtic" settlements, as there was a "Lombard" one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia

Sile
26-11-17, 18:29
2014 paper....link below is the full paper
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0110793
from Pannonia to Italy
http://real.mtak.hu/37597/1/The_Lombards_move_to_into_Italy_Posan_La.pdf

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about Gepids
The Gepids (Latin: Gepidae, Gipedae) were an East Germanic tribe. They were closely related to, or a subdivision of, the Goths.

Sile
26-11-17, 18:37
roman empire based prior to 400AD , before Lombard, Gepid or Avar invasion.
Diocese ( provinces ) split by ethnic race by Roman standards....................note that the Dacians escaped from their homeland in Romania to seek refuge south of the Danube river.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese_of_Pannonia#/media/File:Illyricum_%26_Dacia_-_AD_400.png

bicicleur
26-11-17, 19:49
I don't think there was any "Roman average". We have "gladiator" or "soldier" samples from the Roman era in Britain, and they're pretty similar to modern day Brits and Dutch, Belgian, and northern French people. The one "outlier" is clearly from either the Levant or Arabia.
In some areas you do have Roman colonies of veterans, so you would get some admixture, but after a hundred years the signature would start to wash out because of intermarriage with the much larger surrounding population. Anyway, there don't seem to be very many in Pannonia, at least not in the second century, so that part of my speculation upthread is probably wrong.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Romancoloniae.jpg
I think it's far more likely that these "Italian" plotting people are the "native" people of the area. This was densely populated EEF territory. There wasn't the large effect from the Indo-European migrations that we see further north in Europe. Remember the results in Mathiesen et al, where even in the Iron Age the "steppe" component in most of the samples was about 10%, and some of the samples also looked quite "Tuscan" like. Let's not forget that the GAC had many of the hall marks of an Indo-European culture, but they were just MN European farmers genetically. Language change apparently took more, but 10-20% seems to have been enough.
The closest ancient population to modern Italians is often the Hungarian Bronze Age, which also isn't very "steppe". Actually, a lot of this is starting to fall into place for me.
As for the "CEU" type samples, I'm not sure why the authors are surprised. The area had experienced its own "Celtic" migrations, similar to what had happened in Northern Italy and all the way down to Rome. I would think there might be "Celtic" settlements, as there was a "Lombard" one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia
you shouldn't overestimate these colonies

e.g. the Roman impact in Belgium was limited to the fertile loess plateaus, just south of the road between Cologne and Calais
and yes, probably populated mainly by veterans, the Romans themselves didn't like so much coming to these areas

I see many blanc spaces on the map

Ygorcs
26-11-17, 19:56
Inoffensive newbie question: before the Romanization of Pannonia, do we really know the ethnic composition of those lands? Were they overwhelmingly Celtic, or perhaps Balto-Slavic tribes were already present on the margins? Did Illyrians settle as north as present-day Hungary or did they basically "stop" at the highlands of Croatia and Slovenia?

Angela
26-11-17, 20:02
you shouldn't overestimate these colonies

e.g. the Roman impact in Belgium was limited to the fertile loess plateaus, just south of the road between Cologne and Calais
and yes, probably populated mainly by veterans, the Romans themselves didn't like so much coming to these areas

I see many blanc spaces on the map

That's what I said, Bicicleur. Residents of "Italia" at that time didn't migrate to those areas. It was colonies of veterans who had been granted land at the end of their long years of service. These weren't big folk migrations, and at the end of a hundred or two hundred years those people would have admixed and blended, although leaving behind perhaps some uniparental dna.

Angela
26-11-17, 21:41
Inoffensive newbie question: before the Romanization of Pannonia, do we really know the ethnic composition of those lands? Were they overwhelmingly Celtic, or perhaps Balto-Slavic tribes were already present on the margins? Did Illyrians settle as north as present-day Hungary or did they basically "stop" at the highlands of Croatia and Slovenia?


The only thing we can go by are ancient samples and we need more of them.

However, we know, for example, that this was EEF central during the Neolithic.

We know what Early Neolithic Hungary looked like...they were more southeastern than the Sardinians
See:Gamba et al


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xPGV13M4lSM/VEaknJoP-jI/AAAAAAAAJ0I/XmX-S48tr2A/s1600/ncomms6257-f2.jpg

Then it was a Linear Pottery area...

Look at the yDna...
http://s2.postimg.org/zebg23dw9/Y_DNA_8_do_5_kya.png"
Mesolithic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesolithic) sites are rare, but start to appear after systematic surveys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeological_field_survey), especially in the Jászság (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A1szs%C3%A1g) area (Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin)Jazygia) in northern Hungary (Jászberény I (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J%C3%A1szber%C3%A9ny_I&action=edit&redlink=1)). Neolithic settlement begins with the Criş Körös culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star%C4%8Devo_culture), carbon-dated to around 6200 BC. The Middle Neolithic sees the Western Linear Pottery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Pottery_Culture) culture in Transdanubia and Satu-Mare (Szatmar) and Eastern Linear pottery (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eastern_Linear_pottery&action=edit&redlink=1) (called "Alföld Linear Pottery" in Hungary) in the East, developing into Želiezovce (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeliezovce) (Slovakia) and Szakálhát (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Szak%C3%A1lh%C3%A1t&action=edit&redlink=1) and Bükk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%BCkk), respectively. The Late Neolithic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic) Tisza culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisza_culture) is followed by the Eneolithic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalcolithic) Tiszapolgár (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiszapolg%C3%A1r) and Bodrogkeresztúr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodrogkereszt%C3%BAr) cultures.We can then move on to Baden, which is Chalcolithic or Copper Age. Gimbutas was sure that they were an Indo-European group, as Anthony was sure Remedello was Indo-European. However, although there was some steppe influence in Baden, they were still mostly Late Neolithic farmer, which across Europe averaged out at about 75% AN and 25% WHG.

Take a look at the Haak PCA below. Click and it will expand a lot. The modern populations on which the samples land are also labelled.

The Neolithic samples from Hungary are labeled Gamba EN. They plot with Sardinians, who are the "Mediterranean" cluster in a lot of calculators. Baden is labeled Gamba CA or Copper Age. It's still just west of modern day Sardinians. You can see the Bronze Age samples are somewhat French like. Again, these are eilte samples. Only in Gamba IA or Iron Age do we get a really "Northern" sample. I doubt that this was the autosomal signature of the majority of the locals.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f-kkQdPqKmE/VN2QquPvw8I/AAAAAAAAC5A/6NFEE9Edboo/s1600/HaakPCA.png

Go to this link to enlarge it even more.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f-kkQdPqKmE/VN2QquPvw8I/AAAAAAAAC5A/6NFEE9Edboo/s1600/HaakPCA.png

I think that in the past people assumed that if a group spoke an Indo-European language then they were some sort of "pure" Indo European. We know now that's not the case.

I'd have to go back and read the paper carefully to get the date of that Iron Age sample. At any rate, in the Balkans the Iron Age sample was even less "steppe" than the Bronze Age samples. In the last few centuries of the first millennium BC, which is also Iron Age, you have the Celts moving in, as happened in Italy.

Later on in history, of course, you have the Magyars, who seem to have left little genetic trace but did change the language, and then lots of movement from Germanic peoples to the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hungary_before_the_Hungarian_Conquest

This is from the Mycenaean paper. Look at how far "south" some of the Europe Late Neolithic/Bronze Age people plot.



Also, go take a look at page ten of the Mathiesen paper. The "ethnic" breakdown of the samples can be found there. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2017/05/09/135616.full.pdfhttp://i.imgur.com/H0lwXeD.png

Wonomyro
26-11-17, 22:29
This could be helpful too. Dalmatian Bronze age women from Jazinka Cave plots in the middle of present day Bulgarian cluster:

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303044230_Preliminary_results_of_a_prehistoric_hum an_ancient_DNA_time_series_from_coastal_and_hinter land_Croatia

Jovialis
27-11-17, 02:51
Also, if you can get bigger and clearer pictures of the various graphics in the poster that would be great.

https://i.imgur.com/cJJeWZI.png

https://i.imgur.com/kFZtvb1.png

https://i.imgur.com/bNj82Cc.png

https://i.imgur.com/FFubFj4.png

https://i.imgur.com/q2UrK0L.png

https://i.imgur.com/mMR1hE1.png

https://i.imgur.com/uGBjLGp.png

Angela
27-11-17, 21:47
^^Thanks Jovialis, I appreciate it.

When the paper is published I may find out this is all wrong, but it looks to me based on the admixture analysis in that poster that the Lombards brought a lot of Northwestern and Tuscan looking people (in terms of genotype) with them to Italy.

I have no idea why they would have used only 1000 genomes for comparisons. For goodness' sakes, why didn't they compare to ancient samples?

Pax Augusta
28-11-17, 04:03
^^Thanks Jovialis, I appreciate it.

When the paper is published I may find out this is all wrong, but it looks to me based on the admixture analysis in that poster that the Lombards brought a lot of Northwestern and Tuscan looking people (in terms of genotype) with them to Italy.

I have no idea why they would have used only 1000 genomes for comparisons. For goodness' sakes, why didn't they compare to ancient samples?

They use only 1000 genomes for comparisons because it's cheap and has no cost. But 1000 genomes also have a limited number of populations.

Unfortunately most of the studies are very low budget.

alexfritz
17-12-17, 05:31
the nomadic tribes of the migration-era all have their own structure and dynamic with the longobards being unique in possessing a certain class with arms-bearing[warrior] and land-owning rights with the 'arimanni' as truly reflected in the tombs of szolad/collegno yet an important feature of szolad/collegno is also that both NEA/SEA (germanic-lombards/roman-provincials) did intermix with each other as by family-f[collegno] and family-c[szolad] and other burials; paulus diaconus mentioned noricans and pannonians as part of the trek and indeed amorim et al per sr-isotope determines all of the same trek 'migrate together' and in an upcoming/published paper on the alamanni burial of niederstotzingen a further feature is revealed in that roman-provincials (PCA akin to amorim et al pannonians/noricans and modern south-europeans) in alamanni society even possessed the right to bear arms as revealed by 'reihengrab' grave-3 [2/3 SEA 1/3 NEA one a native[raetian] and the other a non native per sr-isotope];

Lukas
18-12-17, 03:05
They use only 1000 genomes for comparisons because it's cheap and has no cost. But 1000 genomes also have a limited number of populations.

Unfortunately most of the studies are very low budget.
I have on my disk many free public datasets with ancients. It's not the explanation. They have some agenda rather, why they use only 1000 genomes data.

Zanatis
18-12-17, 05:35
I have no idea, really, since all I know is what's on the poster to which I linked, and I can't even make out some of the graphs. I doubt there were any Tuscans in Pannonia, though, so I have a feeling perhaps it's that people pretty similar to modern Tuscans were still living in Pannonia all the way into the post Roman era? Perhaps it's like the fact that Globular Amphora people were pretty close to modern Tuscans, or Spain Chalcolithic? This may be a problem having to do with only using 1000 genomes populations. That's how they wound up with CEU people in Italy too.
Sorry for bringing this up only now, but I don't think it's strange the fact that Pannonians were similar to Tuscans since they were mostly Illyrians after all.

Having said that, aren't Albanians similar to Tuscans?

I know some will be rightfully suspicious/cautious of such a connection due to the distance between Albania and Pannonia, but to anticipate that I'd like to add that the Northernmost Albanian settlements (modern Serbia) aren't that far from Pannonia, in addition to the fact that they were continuously pushed further South during the centuries.

I don't think it's that far-fetched as an explanation.

Angela
18-12-17, 06:12
Sorry for bringing this up only now, but I don't think it's strange the fact that Pannonians were similar to Tuscans since they were mostly Illyrians after all.

Having said that, aren't Albanians similar to Tuscans?

I know some will be rightfully suspicious/cautious of such a connection due to the distance between Albania and Pannonia, but to anticipate that I'd like to add that the Northernmost Albanian settlements (modern Serbia) aren't that far from Pannonia, in addition to the fact that they were continuously pushed further South during the centuries.

I don't think it's that far-fetched as an explanation.

On PCAs, Albanians plot like "eastern shifted" Tuscans. Perhaps we have two very EEF like populations, but one was a bit impacted by northeastern populations at later periods, and one more by northwestern populations. Of course, that's a very big simplification.

If there are no Albanian samples in a calculator, some Albanians get Tuscans as the first population, but of course at a much longer genetic distance than Tuscans would get.

I just think it's interesting how way into the Iron Age we have a quite "Tuscan like" Thracian, and now, perhaps, some "Tuscan like" people in Pannonia. I think some people expected populations in Europe to be pretty homogeneous by the Iron Age, and certainly by the Migration Period, but it doesn't seem the case.

So a lot of commentary to the effect, for example, that Central European genetics was pretty much set by the Bronze Age would actually be incorrect.

Ygorcs
18-12-17, 06:34
In my opinion, the hypothesis that Albanians are actually descendants of an offshoot of Daco-Thracians from around present-day Serbia is quite likely (in the sense of "worhy of further research and discussion"). If Albanians are connected with Dacians, then there is also a high possibility that Albanian-like tribes existed in eastern Pannonia near the Carpathians, where Dacians existed historically and possibly also descended to the lower hillfoots.

Zanatis
18-12-17, 08:55
On PCAs, Albanians plot like "eastern shifted" Tuscans. Perhaps we have two very EEF like populations, but one was a bit impacted by northeastern populations at later periods, and one more by northwestern populations. Of course, that's a very big simplification.

If there are no Albanian samples in a calculator, some Albanians get Tuscans as the first population, but of course at a much longer genetic distance than Tuscans would get.

I just think it's interesting how way into the Iron Age we have a quite "Tuscan like" Thracian, and now, perhaps, some "Tuscan like" people in Pannonia. I think some people expected populations in Europe to be pretty homogeneous by the Iron Age, and certainly by the Migration Period, but it doesn't seem the case.

So a lot of commentary to the effect, for example, that Central European genetics was pretty much set by the Bronze Age would actually be incorrect.
Well, it makes sense.

Could it be that the later Celtic admixture made the Pannonians more Tuscan-like than Albanians? After all, both Pannonia and Po Valley experienced the Celtic expansion/migration so we could have had the case of 2 very similar populations influenced by the same wave, producing again a similar result in the end.

But as always, waiting is the answer.


In my opinion, the hypothesis that Albanians are actually descendants of an offshoot of Daco-Thracians from around present-day Serbia is quite likely (in the sense of "worhy of further research and discussion"). If Albanians are connected with Dacians, then there is also a high possibility that Albanian-like tribes existed in eastern Pannonia near the Carpathians, where Dacians existed historically and possibly also descended to the lower hillfoots.
Don't go there bro. The wolves are waiting at the door. Then Albanians will get defensive and involved, followed by a series of infractions and a closed thread.

Pax Augusta
18-12-17, 09:26
I have on my disk many free public datasets with ancients. It's not the explanation. They have some agenda rather, why they use only 1000 genomes data.

This can be true for any study though, peer-reviewed or not peer-reviewed.

Jovialis
18-12-17, 16:28
I have on my disk many free public datasets with ancients. It's not the explanation. They have some agenda rather, why they use only 1000 genomes data.
Just because it's free to the public, doesn't mean you can use it for "commercial purposes", i.e. publishing it to an academic journal, receive compensation. You would probably have to procure the use of it first.


https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/public-domain/welcome/
The term “public domain” refers to creative materials that are not protected by intellectual property laws such as copyright, trademark, or patent laws. The public owns these works, not an individual author or artist. Anyone can use a public domain work without obtaining permission, but no one can ever own it.

An important wrinkle to understand about public domain material is that, while each work belongs to the public, collections of public domain works may be protected by copyright. If, for example, someone has collected public domain images in a book or on a website, the collection as a whole may be protectable even though individual images are not. You are free to copy and use individual images but copying and distributing the complete collection may infringe what is known as the “collective works” copyright. Collections of public domain material will be protected if the person who created it has used creativity in the choices and organization of the public domain material. This usually involves some unique selection process, for example, a poetry scholar compiling a book—The Greatest Poems of e.e. cummings.

Lukas
18-12-17, 18:10
Just because it's free to the public, doesn't mean you can use it for "commercial purposes", i.e. publishing it to an academic journal, receive compensation. You would probably have to procure the use of it first.

I'm not sure if they earn something from publication. Those days usually YOU must pay to the journal for acceptation of paper, for example 500 $, and there are poor-quality journals from India or Africa.

Jovialis
18-12-17, 18:26
I'm not sure if they earn something from publication. Those days usually YOU must pay to the journal for acceptation of paper, for example 500 $, and there are poor-quality journals from India or Africa.
The fact remains that someone is making a profit from it.

Kiltie
01-07-19, 18:22
Do we have haplogroups for Lombard DNA? I have a family line (terminal SNP) which is downstream of R-Z43 and Z56. Two samples are UK and five are all Italian surnames and four are in Italy.

torzio
01-07-19, 20:00
Do we have haplogroups for Lombard DNA? I have a family line (terminal SNP) which is downstream of R-Z43 and Z56. Two samples are UK and five are all Italian surnames and four are in Italy.

give us the 4 italian surnames and we will see

italouruguayan
01-07-19, 20:31
Do we have haplogroups for Lombard DNA? I have a family line (terminal SNP) which is downstream of R-Z43 and Z56. Two samples are UK and five are all Italian surnames and four are in Italy.

From what I see, you share a line with other Italians. On the other hand, in group U106 L 44 of the R1b U106 Project I am with British and Germans, and in Yfull I am with a Czech; There are no Italians. But in Anthrogenica I met a man from Bergamo, who has occasionally participated in Eupedia (Sirto), which is also L44. And my family, although it's from Veneto, has a distant origin in the valleys of Bergamo ...

Das
10-01-20, 20:46
How do u comment my result ?

i am lebanese 100% origin

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Angela
10-01-20, 22:58
How do u comment my result ?

i am lebanese 100% origin

Eurogenes K13 ANCIENT




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Then why are you flying the Italian flag???

Please post a screenshot of all your results, from the beginning, not just from 11 on...

Not that these can't be altered, as anyone working with them can attest.

I don't see any of these "Lebanese" hits in my husband's results, and three quarters of his ancestry is from far southern Calabria, and one quarter from Napoli, hardly a "Nordic" area, and his next closest hit after Calabria is Sicily, so I am suspicious already.

I'm telling you now, my tolerance for t-rolls from other sites is ZERO. Chiaro???

MOESAN
16-01-20, 15:24
On PCAs, Albanians plot like "eastern shifted" Tuscans. Perhaps we have two very EEF like populations, but one was a bit impacted by northeastern populations at later periods, and one more by northwestern populations. Of course, that's a very big simplification.

If there are no Albanian samples in a calculator, some Albanians get Tuscans as the first population, but of course at a much longer genetic distance than Tuscans would get.

I just think it's interesting how way into the Iron Age we have a quite "Tuscan like" Thracian, and now, perhaps, some "Tuscan like" people in Pannonia. I think some people expected populations in Europe to be pretty homogeneous by the Iron Age, and certainly by the Migration Period, but it doesn't seem the case.

So a lot of commentary to the effect, for example, that Central European genetics was pretty much set by the Bronze Age would actually be incorrect.

We can suppose that the most of the future European mix elements were already present there at BA but the complete mixing was not achieved and even if some central regions can appear as an eden for total allover crossings, we have to take in account that at those times all tribes did not completely mix with others (even if elites did more) even it hese central regions, and that some new moves occurred from peripheric regions where mixes were very weaker: so the crossings took place since long enough ago, but they progressed slowly in a lot of regions of Europe: curiously or not, the mixture of Y-haplo's and of auDNA seem having found more difficulties in contrasted landscapes of West and Central Europe than later in Steppes: socio-cultural habits + geography?
ATW even in the today world of communications, European pops are all of them of similar mixes, but still of different percentages, spite of the time passed since BA or before.

Das
11-10-20, 00:05
Then why are you flying the Italian flag???

Please post a screenshot of all your results, from the beginning, not just from 11 on...

Not that these can't be altered, as anyone working with them can attest.

I don't see any of these "Lebanese" hits in my husband's results, and three quarters of his ancestry is from far southern Calabria, and one quarter from Napoli, hardly a "Nordic" area, and his next closest hit after Calabria is Sicily, so I am suspicious already.

I'm telling you now, my tolerance for t-rolls from other sites is ZERO. Chiaro???

ma chi sei scusa , chi ti conosce ? , Meglio che ti dai una calmata ..

for your husband , naturally as he is from south italy , he is genetically closer to Africa and not to the middle east


regarding the flag , it must be the: Your country of residence (displays a flag in your posts)

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CLEAR OUTPUTMAX OUTPUT NUMBER: ADD GRADIENT - YESGRADIENT FROM: GRADIENT TO:
RUN ALLDAS



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9.10608039
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9.42519496
MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


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9.49241276
R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


9.61965176
R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


10.46897798
R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


10.57707426
R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


10.62266445
R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


10.73587444
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10.96244498
R67_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


11.10126119
Canaanite_ERS1790730_


11.29358668
Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_


12.16877562
MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


12.54996813
R71_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


13.63956378
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13.77945935
R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


14.22739259
R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


14.31325959
R1551_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


14.74115667
MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


15.00437603
I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp


15.36099932
MA2200_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


15.41945524
Canaanite_ERS1790733_


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Sidon_733_Lebanon_


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15.54652373
Sidon_BA_ERS1790733_


15.58019897
46_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp


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R41_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


15.86936987
75_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3750_ybp


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R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


15.88857451
I2062_Israel_MLBA_3197_ybp


16.11601688
63_Lebanon_Canaanite_MBA.SG_3650_ybp


16.28303719
R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


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16.68044064
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R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


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18.37356797
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R39_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


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22.19530356
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22.21262704
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22.49097819
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23.21923125
R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


23.29423105
R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


23.32155441
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23.49895955
I1955_Iran_Ganj_Dareh_H_493_ybp


23.70096623
R45_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


23.87344969
I1665_IRAN_CHL_


24.26523233
R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


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R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


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R54_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy


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25.54666514
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25.55484494
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26.06494965
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26.12195628
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Eurogenes K13 updated




Distance to:
DAS


6.13059540
Iraqi_Jew


6.41536437
Lebanese_Muslim


6.52816207
Nusayri


6.71259264
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Palermo Trapani
11-10-20, 17:25
Das: I am American of Italian ancestry (South) whose ancestors are all from Sicily, with some ancestors around 1800 BC in Calabria. Naturally, I am going to be closer to the Ancient Roman samples than You. Naturally since your ancestors are from Lebanon, as you state. In addition, my K13 ancient distances for the ancient Lebanon samples range from 28 to 33. So again, naturally I am closer to the ancient Italian and also Greek samples than you are, naturally. In addition, the 4 ancient North African samples Tarofalt and Keb, the distances are 49 to 53 for the 3 ancient North African Tarofalt and about 30 for the KEB4 from Neolithic North Africa, which btw has significant EEF type ancestry. So in summary, naturally, I am like all of the other Italians here from the South closer to the ancient Roman samples than you are.


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PalermoTrapani


2.83136010
SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


3.06674094
R52_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy


3.16415866
R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


4.30169734
R973_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy


4.90827872
R1290_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


5.12158179
R107_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


5.17019342
R59_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy


5.26714344
R35_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


5.28244262
R117_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


5.46367093
R437b_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Republic


5.87847769
R58_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


6.03682036
R122_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


6.27621701
R56_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy


6.38286769
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6.55961127
R65_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


6.64341780
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6.71930056
R47_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


6.90764794
R54_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy


7.25364047
R64_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


7.37640156
R113_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


7.50841528
R136_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


7.79816645
R121_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


7.80208946
R118_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


8.01384427
R1283_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


8.02524766
R969_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy


8.51440544
R51_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


8.53834879
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8.55114612
R1544_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


8.94580349
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8.97784495
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9.05351313
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9.11959429
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9.15841143
I5769_Bulgaria_IA_2600_ybp


9.19370437
R30_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy


9.20768158
R32_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy


9.46959344
R970_Lazio_Rome_Renaissance_Italy


9.48325893
R436_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


9.54028826
R120_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


9.58995829
scy300_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG


9.74105230
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10.05439705
R1549_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


10.34661780
R57_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


10.35133325
I9041_Greece_Mycenaean_3250_ybp


10.42188083
R114_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


10.48649608
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10.59341777
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10.91553938
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10.92390498
SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp


11.17439036
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11.18266516
col003_col003_


11.47086745
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11.87954124
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12.10567222
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12.14686379
R137_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


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12.50021200
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12.68519610
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13.13010663
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13.46294916
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13.54852390
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13.64714622
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13.75514813
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13.81725733
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14.92488191
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14.96395001
I9010_Mycenaean_1351_bc_


15.57234086
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16.14585705
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16.43947688
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16.51168071
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16.78289308
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16.92761354
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16.94984071
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17.04162258
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17.10177476
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17.14720969
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17.19111689
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17.21992741
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17.42256583
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17.54417852
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17.55267786
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17.68439142
R55_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy


17.72204559
R75_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


17.80602988
Bul6_Bulgaria_Beli_Breyag_EBA_4450_ybp


17.85663182
R130_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


17.96143647
I0679_Bulgaria_Krepost_N_7622_ybp


17.97573364
I2520_Bulgaria_EBA_5132_ybp


18.28136209
Ovaören_Topakhöyük_AnatoliaEBA_MA2212_Turkey_27 0002000_BC


18.32725566
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18.40919064
I3807_morisco_


18.42236413
I3582_Andalusia_Visigoth_


18.67851172
I1979_Italy_Bell_Beaker_4015_ybp


18.73656585
NW54_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp


18.74657302
I1584_Anatolia_C_5776_ybp


18.80825085
I12647_iberia_


18.86988606
R33_Lazio_Rome_Early_Medieval_Italy


19.03566652
I2175_Bulgaria_EBA_5122_ybp


19.17661858
I3920_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5770_ybp


19.34407661
R66_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


19.41616079
I1295_Bulgaria_MP_N_7752_ybp


19.52189796
I4331_Croatia_MBA_3526_ybp


19.74447771
CL31_longobard_north_italy


19.81684889
R126_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


19.82255281
STR535_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1491_ybp


19.85189160
I3581_Andalusia_Visigoth_


19.88067403
Tep002_Tepecik_Ciftlik_level_5_c_6500_BCE_8500_BP_


19.88067403
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20.11037543
I2431_Bulgaria_Middle_C_6615_ybp


20.11988072
I4131_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4289_ybp


20.20349475
I7043_Hungary_BA_4000_ybp


20.41304485
I4332_Croatia_MBA_3516_ybp


20.72013996
I2499_Anatolia_EBA_4604_ybp


20.75837903
STR310_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1430_ybp


20.91347173
I2430_Bulgaria_Late_C_6448_ybp


21.13371004
I0071_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp


21.31544276
I12515_iberia_


21.36288838
I12644_Muslim_Iberian_1100_1300_CE_


21.37993452
R105_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


21.45854375
I0070_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp


21.45934994
I2364_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_EBA_4215_ybp


21.47632417
CL23_longobard_north_italy


21.64031885
SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


21.71892493
MA2213_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


21.82297184
merge_ANI159_ANI181_Bulgaria_Varna_EN2_6571_ybp


21.86603988
I7498_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE_E1b1b1a1b1a_H3a1 _


21.88822971
col001_col001_


21.94689272
I2519_Bulgaria_C_6242_ybp


21.95620869
I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp


22.03757019
I7045_Hungary_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp


22.06753951
I4088_Romania_C_6154_ybp


22.09146215
R78_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


22.21345313
I2424_Bulgaria_Late_C_6304_ybp


22.38077076
I2495_Anatolia_EBA_4377_ybp


22.43409905
RISE483_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3700_ybp


22.58838861
I4089_Romania_C_5653_ybp


22.64110200
I1498_Hungary_MN.SG_7124_ybp


22.72736456
RISE374_Hungary_Maros.SG_3693_ybp


22.75773934
Bar31_Anatolia_Early_Neolithic_


22.80675558
MA2212_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


22.87542349
R474b_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age


22.96823676
I2788_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5730_ybp


23.06024501
I2425_Bulgaria_Late_C_6515_ybp


23.08125863
I2029_Germany_LBK_EN_7126_ybp


23.08435617
col004_col004_


23.09420707
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23.10020130
I2683_Anatolia_EBA_4494_ybp


23.13974935
I4124_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4284_ybp


23.17217512
I1499_Hungary_Bu_kk_MN_7060_ybp


23.22623301
I1895_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7151_ybp


23.23807006
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23.25487261
I12516_iberia_


23.29690108
I2110_Ukraine_Trypillian_5735_ybp


23.29879611
R1015_Lazio_Rome_Iron_Age_Villanovan


23.43777933
I1632_Armenia_C_6065_ybp


23.47201099
Tep003_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8505_ybp


23.48714329
I2743_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp


23.55189589
I2789_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5650_ybp


23.64493815
R128_Lazio_Frosinone_Roman_Imperial


23.74489629
I12514_iberia_


23.75667696
R70_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


23.75805969
I5119_Hungary_LCA_5100_ybp


23.76947202
R473_Civitavecchia_Etruscan._Iron_Age


23.77996215
I5524_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4250_ybp


23.78153065
I4188_Hungary_ALPc_I_MN_7050_ybp


23.78350058
I1906_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6600_ybp


23.90371101
GreekNeolithicRevenia_Revenia_6438–6264


23.96159427
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23.97796280
R76_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


24.04745101
I0022_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


24.05521773
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24.08594819
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24.13264801
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I0074_Greece_Minoan_Lassithi_4000_ybp


24.24421168
N27_Poland_BKG.SG_6250_ybp


24.24703075
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24.25832434
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24.27297468
I2427_Bulgaria_Late_C_6340_ybp


24.28356852
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I7042_Hungary_BA_6050_ybp


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24.59995935
gun008_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_1015_ybp


24.60873219
I2509_Bulgaria_C_6353_ybp


24.68343777
gun005_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_994_ybp


24.69281272
I1903_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_son.I10619.son.I10624.hal fbro.I10620.halfbro.I10621_6600_ybp


24.72081916
I2785_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5175_ybp


24.74413062
I2355_Hungary_ALBK_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp


24.88911208
I2379_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7011_ybp


24.94652280
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24.96601089
E09538_Germany_Germany_Bell_Beaker_Augsburg_4288_y bp


24.97990793
I3537_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7371_ybp


25.01893883
I2529_Bulgaria_N_published_7601_ybp


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R1550_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


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I0056_Germany_LBK_EN_7061_ybp


25.20894881
I0781_Bulgaria_C_6400_ybp


25.21852890
RISE247_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3629_ybp


25.24808706
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25.29860470
I4918_Serbia_Starcevo_EN_7600_ybp


25.31246531
I2791_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5471_ybp


25.34364023
DA195_Hungary_Scythian.SG_2553_ybp


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I2510_Bulgaria_EBA_4758_ybp


25.36206813
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25.37071146
I4189_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6050_ybp


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25.45926550
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25.46161032
I1899_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6380_ybp


25.46830579
I2376_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7050_ybp


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I1882_Hungary_LBK_MN_7050_ybp


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I4199_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7050_ybp


25.60952362
I0706_Bulgaria_Dzhulyunitsa_N_7905_ybp


25.64126362
gun011_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_1159_ybp


25.67783285
R17_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


25.68189051
I5118_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp


25.69002919
CL49_longobard_north_italy


25.71174634
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25.74905824
I2380_Hungary_ALPc_Szatmar_MN_7350_ybp


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I1896_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7150_ybp


25.87746317
I1926_Ukraine_Trypillia_Eneolithic_5736_ybp


25.88100462
I5068_Austria_LBK_EN_7088_ybp


25.92978403
MA2206_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


25.95911593
I2377_Hungary_ALPc_Tiszadob_MN_7025_ybp


25.96811314
I2032_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


25.96835767
I3443_Belize_MayahakCabPek_9300BP_9285_ybp


25.99745949
RISE480_Hungary_Vatya.SG_3550_ybp


26.01103035
I0634_Serbia_EN_6557_ybp


26.03484204
R61_Lazio_Rome_Late_Medieval_Italy


26.09356051
I1905_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6664_ybp


26.11019916
I3719_Ukraine_N_o2_6824_ybp


26.15808670
I3535_Hungary_ALPc_III_MN_7061_ybp


26.19120845
N36_Poland_BKG_o1.SG_6250_ybp


26.19725749
I0854_Anatolia_N_sister.of.I0736_8106_ybp


26.22379645
I3719_Neolithic/Mariupol_


26.22594708
R19_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


26.26597609
GreekNeolithicKleitos_Kleitos_4230–3995_


26.27550000
I5204_Austria_LBK_EN_6950_ybp


26.28446119
I5117_Hungary_LCA_4550_ybp


26.32676395
I0745_Anatolia_N_8251_ybp


26.33533178
R1547_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


26.36365111
MA2210_Anatolia_EBA.SG_4700_ybp


26.42467975
I5079_Croatia_Starcevo_LN_5485_ybp


26.43236085
I4893_Czech_N_6349_ybp


26.46798254
I2354_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_ECA_6200_ybp


26.49933961
gun002_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_861_ybp


26.54456065
scy305_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG


26.56307211
I1497_CO1_Hungary_MN_


26.58845802
I0026_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


26.64350202
I5069_Austria_LBK_EN_7000_ybp


26.65508019
I2793_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_Bodrogkeresztur_ECHA_630 1_ybp


26.85536632
I3709_Greece_Peloponnese_N_5847_ybp


26.86326488
I0025_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


26.86657217
I1876_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7544_ybp


26.87189052
I1878_Hungary_Starcevo_EN_7700_ybp


26.87289341
France_BA_PIR3037AB


26.93402495
R8_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


26.97024286
I1109_Bulgaria_MP_N_7635_ybp


26.97370757
I2937_Greece_Peloponnese_N_7359_ybp


26.97701800
I1505_Hungary_ALPc_MN_7061_ybp


26.97866750
I1113_Bulgaria_MP_N_7983_ybp


26.98400452
I0746_Anatolia_N_7930_ybp


26.98756195
I2165_Bulgaria_EBA_4908_ybp


26.99509956
I2745_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp


27.00188697
R10_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


27.04606626
RISE373_Hungary_Maros.SG_3741_ybp


27.06295069
N28_Poland_BKG.SG_6074_ybp


27.09779880
I5205_Austria_LBK_EN_6950_ybp


27.15837072
I2423_Bulgaria_Late_C_6388_ybp


27.27135310
I2366_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5093_ybp


27.29130814
AED513_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1528_ybp


27.34975137
I2521_Bulgaria_N_7505_ybp


27.36810735
I1909_Hungary_Balaton_Lasinja_CA_6089_ybp


27.37363513
Iceman_Italy_Iceman_MN.SG_5244_ybp


27.37459041
I2370_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5096_ybp


27.41475698
Tep004_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8295_ybp


27.42916149
AED1108_Germany_Early_Medieval.SG_1480_ybp


27.42934378
I2790_Hungary_Protoboleraz_LCA_5649_ybp


27.45257183
I2783_Hungary_Hunyadihalom_MCHA_6046_ybp


27.46208477
I1550_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


27.49622883
R851_Lazio_Rome_Iron_Age_Latini


27.61591751
I1102_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp


27.63334761
CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp


27.63338018
I1099_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp


27.67669959
I4894_Czech_N_6378_ybp


27.72265500
R16_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


27.73124772
N26_Poland_BKG.SG_6151_ybp


27.74157350
I1904_Hungary_LBK_MN_7028_ybp


27.76877923
gun012_Canary_Islands_Guanche_mummy.SG_1329_ybp


27.79069089
I1889_Hungary_Vinca_MN_6977_ybp


27.86430871
I0100_Germany_LBK_EN_6977_ybp


27.87693491
I0659_Germany_LBK_EN_7037_ybp


27.88872353
I2353_Hungary_Tiszapolgar_ECA_6200_ybp


27.89074578
I1098_Anatolia_N_8288_ybp


27.90964170
I1101_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp


27.92716241
I2369_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5185_ybp


27.98722744
I5206_Austria_LBK_EN_6950_ybp


28.00719550
SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


28.02702446
I1096_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp


28.03306976
DA199_Late_Medieval_Hungary_


28.03957382
I2744_Hungary_ALPc_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp


28.09163755
R38_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


28.15257004
Bar8_Anatolia_N.SG_8071_ybp


28.17316631
I3708_Greece_Peloponnese_N_6550_ybp


28.19452961
I0057_Germany_LBK_EN_7070_ybp


28.26540642
I5071_Croatia_Impressa_EN_7571_ybp


28.27935996
I0821_Germany_LBK_EN_6976_ybp


28.30357045
I4885_Czech_Bell_Beaker_4166_ybp


28.34204298
I1887_Hungary_Vinca_MN_7150_ybp


28.36887379
France_IA_NOR2B6


28.38652673
I2030_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


28.40493971
I0046_Germany_LBK_EN_7051_ybp


28.41285449
I2752_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5175_ybp


28.41294951
I3594_Germany_Bell_Beaker_4175_ybp


28.41473033
I2373_Hungary_Koros_EN_7700_ybp


28.42312615
MA2205_Anatolia_MLBA.SG_3800_ybp


28.43356819
I5077_Croatia_Sopot_MN_7026_ybp


28.45160101
I2384_Hungary_ALPc_III_MN_7130_ybp


28.57728993
I0724_Anatolia_N_7950_ybp


28.58390806
Tep002_Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG_8585_ybp


28.58459025
scy301_SG_Moldova_Scythian_SG


28.59770270
I4196_Hungary_LBK_MN_7050_ybp


28.64779398
N19_Poland_TRB.SG_5462_ybp


28.66420241
Sidon_BA_ERS1790729_


28.74534571
I0736_Anatolia_N_8300_ybp


28.76500304
I1500_Hungary_ALPc_MN_7050_ybp


28.78442808
I4168_Croatia_Sopot_MN_6600_ybp


28.81708347
R42_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial


28.83064342
CL57_longobard_north_italy


28.86569417
MA2198_Anatolia_IA.SG_2900_ybp


28.90984261
I2026_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


28.92101658
I0726_Anatolia_N_7950_ybp


28.94669584
I2037_Germany_LBK_EN_7056_ybp


28.94784966
Canaanite_ERS1790729_


28.96485974
I0054_Germany_LBK_EN_7072_ybp


28.97151014
R108_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity


28.99496336
N31_Poland_BKG.SG_6138_ybp


29.00604247
R3_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


29.05499957
R63_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy


29.25506623
I5070_Austria_LBK_EN_7050_ybp


29.27878925
Sidon_BA_ERS1790730_


29.28347145
I1901_Hungary_Lengyel_LN_6600_ybp


29.29165922
I0633_Serbia_EN_7440_ybp


29.29691622
R9_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


29.33178651
I2038_Germany_LBK_EN_7125_ybp


29.36544398
I1495_NE7_HungaryEN_


29.36575046
I1407_Armenia_C_5875_ybp


29.37015662
Pal7_Greece_Late_N.SG_6351_ybp


29.45792423
I2792_Croatia_Vucedol_4677_ybp


29.49605397
Canaanite_ERS1790730_


29.56902433
CL47_longobard_north_italy


29.62026165
R2_Abruzzo_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


29.62171163
I2753_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5081_ybp


29.63639148
R18_Marche_Neolithic_Farmer_Italy


29.63923919
I0018_Germany_LBK_EN_7140_ybp


29.74667040
SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


29.76244782
I2371_Hungary_Baden_LCA_5179_ybp


29.78099058
I2357_Hungary_ALBK_Szakalhat_MN_7050_ybp


29.81437908
I0698_Bulgaria_N_published_7900_ybp


29.85607476
I0709_Anatolia_N_8086_ybp


29.98397239
Crusader_SI40_Kingdom_of_Jerusalem_






Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.7512% / 0.75119401 | ADC: 0.25x


53.8
SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp





24.2
R131_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperial





12.0
I9033_Mycenaean_1352_bc_M_





5.6
R1283_Lazio_Rome_Medieval_Italy





2.2
R122_Lazio_Rome_Italy_Late_Antiquity





2.2
R132_Lazio_Rome_Roman_Imperia