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zanipolo
20-12-17, 20:17
https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/bone-from-human-with-middle-eastern-ancestry-found-buried-on-the-curse-of-oak-island/

only a few hours old, but the knight Templar found on this Canadian island was T-M184

Angela
20-12-17, 20:32
For crying out loud, carrying yDna "T" doesn't mean the person whose remains were found is from the Near East.

Thomas Jefferson carried it; it's an old Neolithic lineage in Europe.

These archaeologists better take a course in population genetics.

Salento
20-12-17, 20:49
For crying out loud, carrying yDna "T" doesn't mean the person whose remains were found is from the Near East.

Thomas Jefferson carried it; it's an old Neolithic lineage in Europe.

These archaeologists better take a course in population genetics.
You are Correct Angela. It’s laughable.

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Angela
20-12-17, 21:03
You are Correct Angela. It’s laughable.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/d160f65bc1de24287cf01eff9a9d3d3d.jpg. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/290cb7d8b4ea355084560ec22f465896.jpg

I protest...neither her nose nor mine is like Jefferson's! Plus, he has a hideous chin! :confused2::grin:



It's astonishing as well as laughable, how could scientists make a mistake like that?

How on earth did you get the portrait bust to smile? That's genius. I should hire you to do that for all my pictures. I'm always so serious...I have so many pictures that have gotten dark, or faded, or whatever, but I have no clue how to fix them. I guess I should take a course. The only ones "fixed" are a few my children did.

Sile
20-12-17, 21:06
The show keeps changing on who was there, from Vikings, to Templars to Romans .

Templars only recruited in Europe
The Knights Templar trace their origin back to shortly after the First Crusade. Around 1119, an Italian nobleman Ugo de' Pagani from Nocera de' Pagani in Campania, southern Italy or Hugues de Payens as known in French, collected eight knights including Godfrey de Saint-Omer, and began the Order, their stated mission to protect pilgrims on their journey to visit the Holy Places.

Their fleet was small , maximum number was only 18 ships at the end of their existence and this was stationed in Argyll , island of Jura Ireland ..........maybe they could go across the atlantic.

IMO, this oak islands are vikings and old T-M184 has been found in Orkney, Iceland and Norway .............it could also be a viking slave sacrifice as in "guard the treasure" scenario

Salento
20-12-17, 21:31
I protest...neither her nose nor mine is like Jefferson's! Plus, he has a hideous chin! :confused2::grin:



It's astonishing as well as laughable, how could scientists make a mistake like that?

How on earth did you get the portrait bust to smile? That's genius. I should hire you to do that for all my pictures. I'm always so serious...I have so many pictures that have gotten dark, or faded, or whatever, but I have no clue how to fix them. I guess I should take a course. The only ones "fixed" are a few my children did.

Sometimes journalists, will tell a partial story, omitting the entire truth, so they can make the Article interesting, or shocking.

I added the smile with: FaceApp from the AppStore. To fix bad picture at times I use: PS Express, and Adobe app also from the AppStore. For iPhone.

Check this out:
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Angela
20-12-17, 21:44
Sometimes journalists, will tell a partial story, omitting the entire truth, so they can make the Article interesting, or shocking.

I added the smile with: FaceApp from the AppStore. To fix bad picture at times I use: PS Express, and Adobe app also from the AppStore. For iPhone.

Check this out:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/78a92b3de75e122e0285fae6fa7cd2b4.jpg https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/1d475b8e425fa5820f048ae9e05f4ac2.jpg

It's genius. I love it. :) They're just a little too un-naturally white!

Maybe once Christmas is over I'll do some experimenting.

Goodness, couldn't this be abused for things like dating apps? People could get a hell of a shock if they meet up for a drink!

I don't know if you ran into this picture of Thomas Jefferson...without a wig, and with his red hair uncovered by a white wig.

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/e50d11b/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2Fnews%2F091109_jefferson_33_a p_297.jpg

Salento
20-12-17, 21:56
7 must die to solve the Mystery of Oak Island according to the legend.
1 or 2 to go.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/94cac66559e110b007c1a97d2437ed14.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/1568f1358d0346b9123b7fef4c1766d2.jpg

ThirdTerm
21-12-17, 02:06
He told members of The Curse of Oak Island team: “I have a little more information about lineages. So, humans are divided into different groups. Our resolution isn’t great but it looks like one of them is from what is called ‘group H’. It’s actually the most common group found among Europeans.“And then the other bone comes from what’s called ‘group T’ which is a group that has ancestry in the Middle East. So, kind of Iran and Jordan.”

Probably it was a Viking burial. The Vikings are known to have settled in Canada prior to the discovery of the New World. The frequency of mtDNA Haplogroup T2 is higher in Norway (10.5%) than its frequencies in Jordan (6.6%) and Palestine (5.1%). The last Russian Tsar, Nicholas II, also belonged to Haplogroup T2.

davef
21-12-17, 02:29
You are Correct Angela. It’s laughable.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/d160f65bc1de24287cf01eff9a9d3d3d.jpg. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/290cb7d8b4ea355084560ec22f465896.jpg

It's amazing how well the smile blends in with Isabella's face

Salento
21-12-17, 02:32
Probably it was a Viking burial. The Vikings are known to have settled in Canada prior to the discovery of the New World. The frequency of mtDNA Haplogroup T2 is higher in Norway (10.5%) than its frequencies in Jordan (6.6%) and Palestine (5.1%). The last Russian Tsar, Nicholas II, also belonged to Haplogroup T2.

So, did they test the mtDNA?
I had the Impression that they tested the Y Chromosome.

Angela
21-12-17, 02:33
Probably it was a Viking burial. The Vikings are known to have settled in Canada prior to the discovery of the New World. The frequency of mtDNA Haplogroup T2 is higher in Norway (10.5%) than its frequencies in Jordan (6.6%) and Palestine (5.1%). The last Russian Tsar, Nicholas II, also belonged to Haplogroup T2.

You're right; it could be mtDna, but still, not Middle Eastern. What a mess they made.

AdeoF
21-12-17, 02:40
Yea you would find the odd haplogroup but still it's in the Americas any haplogroup can pop up

Sile
21-12-17, 06:51
So, did they test the mtDNA?
I had the Impression that they tested the Y Chromosome.

The test was only for ydna and there where 2 finds a T-M184 and a H ydna ......I presume it was P96 as it is the main one in western europe

Angela
21-12-17, 07:23
The test was only for ydna and there where 2 finds a T-M184 and a H ydna ......I presume it was P96 as it is the main one in western europe

They found an "H" in this time period? They couldn't resolve it more than that?

davef
21-12-17, 07:31
You are Correct Angela. It’s laughable.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/d160f65bc1de24287cf01eff9a9d3d3d.jpg. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171220/290cb7d8b4ea355084560ec22f465896.jpg
Isabella needs sunglasses

Salento
21-12-17, 21:50
Isabella needs sunglasses

You say: Isabella needs sunglasses.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171221/c6e964919e7a7698448a71cc98208191.jpg

Moi-même
21-12-17, 21:55
He could just be Acadian, they had a village about 10 kilometers South West of Oak Island.

http://www.cuslm.ca/~clio/fenetre/images/41.jpg

Looking through the French Heritage DNA Project, there are a few French line under the T Y-haplogroup. Under the mt-haplogroup T, there's even Acadian settlers who are T. Marguerite Doucet was T2b7a2; Andrée Guyon was T2c1d-T152C!. But an Acadian burried in Acadia is kind of too mundane I guess.

Angela
21-12-17, 21:57
You say: Isabella needs sunglasses.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171221/c6e964919e7a7698448a71cc98208191.jpg

If you put that on a hosting site and PM me the url so I can access it, I might use it as my avatar for a while. :) You have to have a sense of humor about this stuff.

I do still wear big glasses, btw. Can't stand contacts because my eyes are too dry, and yes, I do smile quite often; just not when taking pictures for some reason.

I was thinking about going back to her too, but too stern, perhaps
http://static.nanopress.it/r/845X0/www.nanopress.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Oriana-Fallaci-bianco-nero-ok.jpg


Or her...
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Salento
21-12-17, 22:13
If you put that on a hosting site and PM me the url so I can access it, I might use it as my avatar for a while. :) You have to have a sense of humor about this stuff.

I do still wear big glasses, btw. Can't stand contacts because my eyes are too dry, and yes, I do smile quite often; just not when taking pictures for some reason.

I was thinking about going back to her too, but too stern, perhaps
http://static.nanopress.it/r/845X0/www.nanopress.it/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Oriana-Fallaci-bianco-nero-ok.jpg


Or her...
9557

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Salento
21-12-17, 22:16
And also this:
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Angela
21-12-17, 22:21
The teeth are too big and too white. Plus, I think Oriana is scarier like that, somehow. :)

davef
21-12-17, 22:26
and also this:
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yikes!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek2::eek2:

Salento
21-12-17, 22:47
yikes!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek2::eek2:

They’re fine to me. [emoji2]

Salento
21-12-17, 22:59
If you put that on a hosting site and .......

I did that

AdeoF
22-12-17, 00:07
And also this:
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Errrrrr now that looks really odd for my eyes 0_o

davef
24-12-17, 05:24
You say: Isabella needs sunglasses.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171221/c6e964919e7a7698448a71cc98208191.jpg

with a marlboro

9569

I drew that lol

Sile
17-01-18, 07:17
Dr Frasier from a UK university stated that the DNA for these 2 are only Mtdna a H and T

They match cornish people ........most likely miners in the service of Sir Francis Drake , according to the age of the samples

so not Ydna

Sphinxg12
05-12-18, 01:58
T-M184 is most densely congregated in the horn of Africa. Everyone saying European is just as guilty of bending the truth to fit a desired narrative as the producers of Oak Island. Source: wikipedia

Sphinxg12
05-12-18, 02:37
T-M184 is most densely congregated in the horn of Africa. Everyone saying European is just as guilty of bending the truth to fit a desired narrative as the producers of Oak Island. Source: wikipedia
From source:

A living male from Armenia is reportedly the only known case of basal T* (T-M184*).[6] (That is, an example of T-M184* that does not including mutations identifying T-L206 or T-PH110.)

As a whole, T-M184, is found at its highest frequencies among some populations in parts of the Horn of Africa, East India, Madagascar, Kazakhstan and Sicily. Some sources suggest that the arrival of the lineage in these regions is due to relatively recent[vague] migrations.[7][8] T-M184 occurs at frequencies of greater than 30% (in large samples) from populations as diverse as Dir clan ethnic Somalis of Djibouti, Antemoro of Madagascar, Bauri, and Yerukula of East India, Argyns from Kazakhstan and rural Sciaccensis from Sicily.

Salento
05-12-18, 06:18
T-M184 .... as guilty of bending the truth to fit a desired narrative as the producers of Oak Island ...

The T found on Oak Island is mtDNA (Mother Line).

No Y T (Father Line) was found on Oak Island. (No Y T-M184).

Don’t get confused between Y and mtDNA.

Also T-M184 splits in distinctive regional branches. (I’m in the bottom left European branch).
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Phylogenetic_T-M184_tree.png


.... In this episode of The Curse of Oak Island, it was revealed that one of the bone fragments brought up from H8 belongs to mitochondrial haplogroup H, one of the most prevalent haplogroups in Europe, and that the other belongs to mitochondrial haplogroup T ...

https://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/nova-scotia/the-curse-of-oak-island-season-5-episode-7-the-lot-thickens/



Dr Frasier from a UK university stated that the DNA for these 2 are only Mtdna a H and T

They match cornish people ........most likely miners in the service of Sir Francis Drake , according to the age of the samples

so not Ydna

davef
08-12-18, 21:57
Isabella needs sunglasses
Hey whoa, who downvoted this?? If my simple joke struck a chord, my apologies. Get a grip

Salento
08-12-18, 23:47
Hey whoa, who downvoted this?? If my simple joke struck a chord, my apologies. Get a grip
Retaliate with a Vengeance Davef, no apologies. LOL :grin:

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davef
09-12-18, 07:11
Retaliate with a Vengeance Davef, no apologies. LOL :grin:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/b8/67/ecb867283a30f334f40d11de551f5f36.jpg
Retaliate against those snooty snobs who don't have a sense of humor? Right on, brother!