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Jovialis
27-12-17, 12:19
Greater fish consumption is associated with improved cognition among children, but the mediating pathways have not been well delineated. Improved sleep could be a candidate mediator of the fish-cognition relationship. This study assesses whether 1) more frequent fish consumption is associated with less sleep disturbances and higher IQ scores in schoolchildren, 2) such relationships are not accounted for by social and economic confounds, and 3) sleep quality mediates the fish-IQ relationship. In this cohort study of 541 Chinese schoolchildren, fish consumption and sleep quality were assessed at age 9–11 years, while IQ was assessed at age 12. Frequent fish consumption was related to both fewer sleep problems and higher IQ scores. A dose-response relationship indicated higher IQ scores in children who always (4.80 points) or sometimes (3.31 points) consumed fish, compared to those who rarely ate fish (all p < 0.05). Sleep quality partially mediated the relationship between fish consumption and verbal, but not performance, IQ. Findings were robust after controlling for multiple sociodemographic covariates. To our knowledge, this is the first study to indicate that frequent fish consumption may help reduce sleep problems (better sleep quality), which may in turn benefit long-term cognitive functioning in children.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17520-w




Children who eat fish at least once a week sleep better and have IQ scores that are 4 points higher, on average, than those who consume fish less frequently or not at all. These findings from the University of Pennsylvania are published in Scientific Reports, a Nature journal.

Previous studies showed a relationship between omega-3s, the fatty acids in many types of fish, and improved intelligence, as well as omega-3s and better sleep. But they’ve never all been connected before. This work, conducted by Jianghong Liu, Jennifer Pinto-Martin, and Alexandra Hanlon of the School of Nursing and Penn Integrates Knowledge Professor Adrian Raine, reveals sleep as a possible mediating pathway, the potential missing link between fish and intelligence.

“This area of research is not well-developed. It’s emerging,” says Liu, lead author on the paper and an associate professor of nursing and public health, in a release. “Here we look at omega-3s coming from our food instead of from supplements.”

For the work, a cohort of 541 9- to 11-year-olds in China, 54% boys and 46% girls, completed a questionnaire about how often they consumed fish in the past month, with options ranging from “never” to “at least once per week.” They also took the Chinese version of an IQ test called the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children-Revised, which examines verbal and non-verbal skills such as vocabulary and coding.

Their parents then answered questions about sleep quality using the standardized Children Sleep Habits Questionnaire, which included topics such as sleep duration and frequency of night waking or daytime sleepiness. Finally, the researchers controlled for demographic information, including parental education, occupation, and marital status as well as number of children in the home.

Analyzing these data points, the Penn team found that children who reported eating fish weekly scored 4.8 points higher on the IQ exams than those who said they “seldom” or “never” consumed fish. Those whose meals sometimes included fish scored 3.3 points higher. In addition, increased fish consumption was associated with fewer disturbances of sleep, which the researchers say indicates better overall sleep quality.

“Lack of sleep is associated with antisocial behavior; poor cognition is associated with antisocial behavior,” says Raine, who has appointments in the School of Arts and Sciences and Penn’s Perelman School of Medicine. “We have found that omega-3 supplements reduce antisocial behavior, so it’s not too surprising that fish is behind this.”

Pinto-Martin, who is executive director of Penn’s Center for Public Health Initiatives, as well as the Viola MacInnes/Independence Professor of Nursing and a professor of epidemiology in Penn Medicine, sees strong potential for the implications of this research.

“It adds to the growing body of evidence showing that fish consumption has really positive health benefits and should be something more heavily advertised and promoted,” she says. “Children should be introduced to it early on.” That could be as young as 10 months, as long as the fish has no bones and has been finely chopped, but should start by around age 2.

“Introducing the taste early makes it more palatable,” Pinto-Martin says. “It really has to be a concerted effort, especially in a culture where fish is not as commonly served or smelled. Children are sensitive to smell. If they’re not used to it, they may shy away from it.”

Given the young age of this study group, Liu and colleagues chose not to analyze the details participants reported about the types of fish consumed, though they plan to do so for work on an older cohort in the future. The researchers also want to add to this current observational study to establish, through randomized controlled trials, that eating fish can lead to better sleep, better school performance and other real-life, practical outcomes.

For the moment, the researchers recommend incrementally incorporating additional fish into a diet; consumption even once a week moves a family into the “high” fish-eating group as defined in the study.

“Doing that could be a lot easier than nudging children about going to bed,” Raine says. “If the fish improves sleep, great. If it also improves cognitive performance—like we’ve seen here—even better. It’s a double hit.”

http://www.sleepreviewmag.com/2017/12/weekly-fish-consumption-linked-better-sleep/


Considering how cultures like Japanese consume a lot of fish, I think this makes sense. Feeding children fish at 10 months-old sounds like a challenge, but if it could improve sleep and IQ; I think it would be worth it. Personally I love fish, if this is true, maybe I should eat more of it to get better sleep.

davef
27-12-17, 15:54
Ok to get this out of the way: these so called links are stupid. Anti social behavior linked to low intelligence? There are plenty of highly intelligent jerks as well as compassionate, well mannered morons.
Being a people person and being intelligent are two completely different things, they might as well link the number of weekly bubble baths to likelihood of becoming a pitcher for the Yankees.

With that said, eating fish puts my stomach in nauseating knots, and in an ideal world, eating pizza with double cheese and barbecue sauce would be an adequate replacement.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 16:19
This is what the Mayoclinic defines as anti-social behavior. The part in bold is in my opinion the biggest indicators of lower-intelligence. Though I don't think all of these symptoms are exclusive to (ASPD):


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20353928?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=abstract&utm_content=Antisocial-personality-disorder&utm_campaign=Knowledge-panel

Symptoms
Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include:

Disregard for right and wrong

Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others

Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others

Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or personal pleasure

Arrogance, a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated

Recurring problems with the law, including criminal behavior

Repeatedly violating the rights of others through intimidation and dishonesty

Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead

Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence

Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others

Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behavior with no regard for the safety of self or others

Poor or abusive relationships

Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them

Being consistently irresponsible and repeatedly failing to fulfill work or financial obligations

davef
27-12-17, 17:02
Yes and Sir Isaac Newton was very anti social himself, yet smarter than almost everyone waking the face of the planet.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 17:05
Yes and Sir Isaac Newton was very anti social himself, yet smarter than almost everyone waking the face of the planet.
Isaac Newton was impulsive, and failed to learn from the consequence of his behavior?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_with_antisocial_personality_disord er

Most of these people seem to be murderers and serial killers.

davef
27-12-17, 17:10
Isaac Newton was impulsive, and failed to learn from the consequence of his behavior?
I wasn't implying he had everything on that list, but I think he had some of those traits that you didn't highlight, aka those that are not all that linked to intellectual capacity. His contributions are ground breaking, don't know where we'd be today without them.


I doubt he was prone to murder, but he wasn't a marshmallow. I hate to say these things bc he's done so much for us, but I had to post an example of someone highly intelligent, yet anti social in some ways.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 17:14
I wasn't implying he had everything on that list, but I think he had some of those traits that you didn't highlight, aka those that are not all that linked to intellectual capacity. His contributions are ground breaking, don't know where we'd be today without them.

I already said that not all of the traits are exclusive to ASPD


This is what the Mayoclinic defines as anti-social behavior. The part in bold is in my opinion the biggest indicators of lower-intelligence. Though I don't think all of these symptoms are exclusive to (ASPD):

As did the Mayoclinic:

Symptoms
Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include:

Someone would need to be clinically diagnosed with ASPD by a professional.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 17:16
Someone can be intelligent and shy, socially reserved, or callous etc. it doesn't mean they would exhibit the other hallmarks, like manipulation, or senseless high-risk behavior.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 17:24
Issac Newton did not have anti-social personality disorder. He may have had Aspergers. Also his madness was attributed to mercury poisoning. He may have also been clinically depressed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6140563


http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/62/3/289
Newton grew up with a vulnerable and eccentric character besides having a low self-esteem, and he was someone who only uncommonly developed any close relationships. On review it is argued that his distrust and suspicions of others, and the fear that he might be harmed by criticism and his discoveries stolen, followed from his mother's separation from him in childhood and not, as has been claimed, from the developmental disorder of Asperger's syndrome. It is further firmly argued that his ‘madness’ of 1692 and 1693 was due to mercury poisoning from his alchemical experiments and not to clinical depression.

davef
27-12-17, 17:26
Someone can be intelligent and shy, socially reserved, or callous etc. it doesn't mean they would exhibit the other hallmarks, like manipulation, or senseless high-risk behavior.

Yes, you can be very intelligent and have all those traits you didn't highlight, none at all, or any amount in between. It'll certainly make you less prone to doing stupid things like robbing a gas station with cameras everywhere and your license plate exposed for example

Jovialis
27-12-17, 17:42
Yes, you can be very intelligent and have all those traits you didn't highlight, none at all, or any amount in between. It'll certainly make you less prone to doing stupid things like robbing a gas station with cameras everywhere and your license plate exposed for example

Yes, but the un-bolded traits would not mean they would be clinically diagnosed with Anti-social personality disorder. Perhaps they would be indications, but it does not mean they actually have the disorder.

The study associates anti-social behavior with insufficient sleep, as well as poor cognition.

“Lack of sleep is associated with antisocial behavior; poor cognition is associated with antisocial behavior,” says Raine, who has appointments in the School of Arts and Sciences and Penn’s Perelman School of Medicine. “We have found that omega-3 supplements reduce antisocial behavior, so it’s not too surprising that fish is behind this.”

davef
27-12-17, 17:42
Issac Newton did not have anti-social personality disorder. He may have had Aspergers. Also his madness was attributed to mercury poisoning. He may have also been clinically depressed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6140563

Oh no, I didn't say he had the disorder, I meant anti social as in not playing well with others, that sort of thing.

Angela
27-12-17, 17:52
Most of the people in prison have diagnosed or un-diagnosed mental illnesses, and a great many of them have anti-social personality disorder. The behaviors listed above are almost always listed on school records going back to elementary school. Most of them also have a very low IQ.

The fact that there are a few people who are extremely intelligent and have some of the symptoms of these disorders doesn't invalidate the general rule that most people who test positive for this test very low on IQ tests. It's almost as if they are co-pathologies.

davef
27-12-17, 20:38
I still wonder if cognitive issues such as ADHD have anything to do with not absorbing certain nutrients well, gut related as opposed to simply how the brain is wired. I won't be too surprised if issues with certain oils are likely contributing to my ADHD and other issues such as behavior and manners. I ensure to keep my body basic on a daily basis by taking an alka seltzer first thing in be morning in just a little water so it doesn't dilute too much

Angela
27-12-17, 20:59
My grandparents' generation still believed in taking a tablespoon full of cod liver oil every day, plus they ate a lot of dried cod and fresh fish like anchovies and sardines and shellfish. They also ate tons of fresh vegetables and fruit, and dressed everything with olive oil. I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I never heard of half of these conditions when I was a little, and now every other child seems to be diagnosed with them.

Dibran
27-12-17, 21:10
My grandparents' generation still believed in taking a tablespoon full of cod liver oil every day, plus they ate a lot of dried cod and fresh fish like anchovies and sardines and shellfish. They also ate tons of fresh vegetables and fruit, and dressed everything with olive oil. I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I never heard of half of these conditions when I was a little, and now every other child seems to be diagnosed with them.

Idk, my IQ is in the average to slightly above average range. My crappy sleep is more due to smoking weed, but generally I get really good sleep, and I do not eat seafood. I simply have no stomach for it. It induces almost immediate gag/vomit sensations. I can stomach shrimp depending on how its prepared. I also do not have poor cognition. I am slightly anti-social, and always have been. By anti-social I mean I am extremely selective of whom I spend my time with, and limited as well. I think people are just drawing at straws. Sure, seafood is higher in omegas which I presume are essential for brain health. Yet, it can be derived from other sources(maybe less effectively).

Salento
27-12-17, 21:17
My grandparents' generation still believed in taking a tablespoon full of cod liver oil every day, plus they ate a lot of dried cod and fresh fish like anchovies and sardines and shellfish. They also ate tons of fresh vegetables and fruit, and dressed everything with olive oil. I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but I never heard of half of these conditions when I was a little, and now every other child seems to be diagnosed with them.

All the food you mention, plus the occasional spanking to some problematic child to instill discipline, must have to some degree helped with some of this Conditions. (I’m not promoting spanking.)
Cod Liver just in the Winter.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 21:43
Idk, my IQ is in the average to slightly above average range. My crappy sleep is more due to smoking weed, but generally I get really good sleep, and I do not eat seafood. I simply have no stomach for it. It induces almost immediate gag/vomit sensations. I can stomach shrimp depending on how its prepared. I also do not have poor cognition. I am slightly anti-social, and always have been. By anti-social I mean I am extremely selective of whom I spend my time with, and limited as well. I think people are just drawing at straws. Sure, seafood is higher in omegas which I presume are essential for brain health. Yet, it can be derived from other sources(maybe less effectively).

You're correct about that, marijuana reduces REM sleep.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18313952
The illicit recreational drugs cocaine, ecstasy and marijuana have pronounced effects upon sleep. Administration of cocaine increases wakefulness and suppresses REM sleep. Acute cocaine withdrawal is often associated with sleep disturbances and unpleasant dreams. Studies have revealed that polysomnographically assessed sleep parameters deteriorate even further during sustained abstinence, although patients report that sleep quality remains unchanged or improves. This deterioration of objective sleep measures is associated with a worsening in sleep-related cognitive performance. Like cocaine, 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA; "ecstasy") is a substance with arousing properties. Heavy MDMA consumption is often associated with persistent sleep disturbances. Polysomnography (PSG) studies have demonstrated altered sleep architecture in abstinent heavy MDMA users. Smoked marijuana and oral Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) reduce REM sleep. Moreover, acute administration of cannabis appears to facilitate falling asleep and to increase Stage 4 sleep. Difficulty sleeping and strange dreams are among the most consistently reported symptoms of acute and subacute cannabis withdrawal. Longer sleep onset latency, reduced slow wave sleep and a REM rebound can be observed. Prospective studies are needed in order to verify whether sleep disturbances during cocaine and cannabis withdrawal predict treatment outcome.

Dibran
27-12-17, 22:09
You're correct about that, marijuana reduces REM sleep.

I don't dream when on cannabis for prolonged periods.lol By bad sleep, I mean that I wake up once or twice in the night. Its also my recent work schedule I think. I usually have to be there at 7am so I go to bed at 11 on work days, and wake up at 3, go back to bed, wake up at 5 get ready rinse and repeat. On the weekends I practically stay up all night. I am a night owl.

Jovialis
27-12-17, 22:13
I don't dream when on cannabis for prolonged periods.lol By bad sleep, I mean that I wake up once or twice in the night. Its also my recent work schedule I think. I usually have to be there at 7am so I go to bed at 11 on work days, and wake up at 3, go back to bed, wake up at 5 get ready rinse and repeat. On the weekends I practically stay up all night. I am a night owl.

Yes, you would not dream often, because the REM sleep is reduced. If you withdraw from it, you would get a resurgence of very vivid dreams. Because REM would kick back into overdrive.

IronSide
27-12-17, 22:17
Consuming fish in my case leads to hyperactivity, impulsiveness, lack of focus, and a higher tendency to take risks.

I basically become a fish.

Yetos
27-12-17, 22:21
in my area
if we have sleep problems
we drink a short glass of warm wine
or 25 ml tsipoyro (15-18 grades water has 11-12)
for youngers and kids we use tea, but not any kind of tea
chamomile and siderites (mountain tea) are quite good in half % of an adult

well if problem continues and is more than 3 times per week
we ask doctors

goverment gave code oil at 1950-60's
but nobody likes it
|I like fish and I am an amateur fisherman or occasional if you like
but in mountain people fish is about 1 max 2 per week
except salted sardines and smoked mackerels
they are fantastic with tsipoyro


but we eat a lot of nuts, hazelnuts, wholenuts etc with yogurt
that the secret of elders who reach above 80's
nuts yogurt and honey
meat 2 times a week
fish 1-2 times per week
and 2 times per week foods like beans
and strangely enough sugar
although modern scientists say it is toxic
but sugar never with fat,
only in composta, tea, sirop candies.

my father and all my uncles and aunts still aliveconsume about 3 kilos white sugar per month each
and all are over 80.
except my mom who has diabetes

Angela
27-12-17, 22:59
Isn't it dangerous not to get enough REM sleep? I thought you needed it psychologically.

Cod liver oil is absolutely gross. I can't even handle the pills because they repeat on me. I'd much rather eat the fish. If you don't have access to fresh fish, you can buy salted cod, salted sardines, canned or jarred tuna etc., and easily eat it four or five times a week. I have tuna alone probably twice a week in a salad for lunch.

http://www.buonissimo.org/archive/borg/ePoeqBFVLpYF8%252FveWTFlbkxgw5B5jIp778gO9yPuQrFsXC SezOuAjTq984BlvIjW

https://www.adieta.it/images/ricette/insalata-tonno.jpg

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/sites/default/files/styles/recipe/public/recipe_images/recipe-image-legacy-id--1558_10.jpg?itok=wf4NIEAg

noman
27-12-17, 23:03
Read it yesterday! I was excited, and looking around to buy a good fish.
Fish is very cheap in Pakistan than in the US. Still remember, I used to buy 4 White Pomfret for just $10. Here, ... don't ask me!

Jovialis
27-12-17, 23:32
Isn't it dangerous not to get enough REM sleep? I thought you needed it psychologically.
Cod liver oil is absolutely gross. I can't even handle the pills because they repeat on me. I'd much rather eat the fish. If you don't have access to fresh fish, you can buy salted cod, salted sardines, canned or jarred tuna etc., and easily eat it four or five times a week. I have tuna alone probably twice a week in a salad for lunch.
http://www.buonissimo.org/archive/borg/ePoeqBFVLpYF8%252FveWTFlbkxgw5B5jIp778gO9yPuQrFsXC SezOuAjTq984BlvIjW
https://www.adieta.it/images/ricette/insalata-tonno.jpg
https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/sites/default/files/styles/recipe/public/recipe_images/recipe-image-legacy-id--1558_10.jpg?itok=wf4NIEAg
Indeed, REM is essential for the brain. I think that this could be one of the more harmful effects of marijuana imo

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/sleep/conditioninfo/Pages/rem-sleep.aspx
REM sleep stimulates regions of the brain that are used for learning. Studies have shown that when people are deprived of REM sleep, they are not able to remember what they were taught before going to sleep.3 Lack of REM sleep has also been linked to certain health conditions, including migraines.2
The reason for dreaming during REM sleep is not understood. While some of the signals sent to the cortex during sleep are important for learning and memory, some signals seem to be random. It is these random signals that may form the basis for a "story" that the brain's cortex tries to interpret or find meaning in, resulting in dreaming.3

Here's a plate of salmon my father made. It's probably my favorite way to eat it.

https://i.imgur.com/ZbxGBlt.jpg

don_joe
27-12-17, 23:52
I read somewhere that until today, there is no single proof that our body can absorb external omega 3. Eating fish is surely better for a good sleep cause it's easier to digest.

davef
28-12-17, 01:10
Isn't it dangerous not to get enough REM sleep? I thought you needed it psychologically.

Cod liver oil is absolutely gross. I can't even handle the pills because they repeat on me. I'd much rather eat the fish. If you don't have access to fresh fish, you can buy salted cod, salted sardines, canned or jarred tuna etc., and easily eat it four or five times a week. I have tuna alone probably twice a week in a salad for lunch.

http://www.buonissimo.org/archive/borg/ePoeqBFVLpYF8%252FveWTFlbkxgw5B5jIp778gO9yPuQrFsXC SezOuAjTq984BlvIjW

https://www.adieta.it/images/ricette/insalata-tonno.jpg

https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/sites/default/files/styles/recipe/public/recipe_images/recipe-image-legacy-id--1558_10.jpg?itok=wf4NIEAg

I need to eat healthy. I eat Chinese food 5 times per week.

Dibran
28-12-17, 15:17
Yes, you would not dream often, because the REM sleep is reduced. If you withdraw from it, you would get a resurgence of very vivid dreams. Because REM would kick back into overdrive.


Yea, I experienced that when I quit for a bit. dreams were almost prophetic lol.

Dibran
28-12-17, 15:21
I read somewhere that until today, there is no single proof that our body can absorb external omega 3. Eating fish is surely better for a good sleep cause it's easier to digest.

Well, I can't speak for others, but if by external you mean supplements, I can personally say Ultimate Omega(by nordic naturals) helped me long term when I used to take it. I noticed a big difference over time since stopping. Just too expensive to keep buying the bottle lol.

davef
29-12-17, 00:16
Coffee/Red Bull > anything else consumable in terms of boosting intellectual capacity :).

Well as for Red Bull, i sometimes find myself wanting to sprint as fast as possible as opposed to solving a tough problem as i drink it lol

Im like AdeoF in terms of caffeine break down, I swear sometimes I would need to intravenously inject caffeinated beverages into my bloodstream to get any effect whatsoever lol.

Zvrk9
12-01-18, 17:08
While it is true that many Japanese eat a lot of fish, this can't be said for all Japanese. Even though I traveled there a few times, I am certainly not an expert on this subject.
The population of Japan that is often the subject of all longevity studies eats very little fish or meat. I am talking about Okinawa Islands (Japan) people. There subject to several studies and famous Blue Zone Happiness book. I read the book but I am not promoting it here and there other sources for this information on the web. Nevertheless, Okinawa people are one of the blue zones.
https://bluezones.com/exploration/okinawa-japan/
Hope you find this useful.
I eat a lot of fish for many years but it did not get me any smarter or sleep better. Your mileage may vary (your experience may be different). Like DaveF, I like pizza. Just trying to eat less and increase vegetables in my diet.

Angela
12-01-18, 17:54
There is nothing unhealthy about pizza per se, certainly not Italian pizza. Pizza in foreign pizzerias swimming in grease, and covered with various fatty meats is not healthy. Most importantly, it is over-eating which is the bane of populations in the developed world. Portion sizes are obscenely large, and once people become accustomed to that, it takes huge portions to "fill" them. There's a reason for the explosion of obesity and related diseases.

http://i1.wp.com/www.roman-gateway.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/napoli-pizza.jpg

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A nice alternative is a "pizza" with anchovies, so you get in your omega.

Focaccia with onions, anchovies and olives:
https://images.marmitoncdn.org/pixcontent/391ed7f3-34fe-49cb-ae8a-ccb1ceedc0c1/bfcec258-c6ad-41a4-863b-572098ec3e26/focaccia-cipolla.jpg

Btw, soups are a great way to increase your vegetable and fiber intake. Some include four or more vegetables.

Zvrk9
12-01-18, 20:18
You are right Angela! Good suggestions, thanks.

davef
12-01-18, 20:27
9620

With mustard....