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30-03-18, 21:42

30-03-18, 23:22
You can find out about your Genius Matches with NatGeo. Mother and Father side.
IMO They do it to sell more kits, so use it only as Curiously if you are Interested.

“Your Genius Matches
(Present - 120,000 Years Ago)
We determine your Genius Matches through the analysis of either mitochondrial or Y-chromosome DNA, two parts of the DNA which are inherited directly, without mixing, from one ancestor in any given generation. Furthermore, if you go back 150,000 years, all seven billion humans share one single, common maternal ancestor: A Mitochondrial Eve. Her male counterpart was Y- chromosome Adam. Actually, any two individual people that ever lived may share a match (an Eve or an Adam) at a more recent point in time. First maternal cousins, for example, share a match at the grandmother level. Although it’s true that every two living people share a common ancestor, in reality we share multiple ancestors. Some of these common ancestors lived centuries ago, while others lived and migrated across the earth millennia ago. Here we estimate when in time you shared a direct female or direct male ancestor with a famous historical genius.”9919

31-03-18, 04:17

31-03-18, 05:25
A member of my family was convinced of been related to Marcus Aurelius by using the similarity to her surname as evidence. lol
Traditionally, my area of Italy provided a good chunk of the Cavalry of Rome, so people say that we descend from the Knights of Rome. :)
ps .... generally talking Ancient Rome is also considered by many Italians as another name for the Territory of Italy up to or North of the Rubicon River all the way to the Alps starting from the mid 1st Century BC.

31-03-18, 12:11
Great thread Carlos.

31-03-18, 12:53
A member of my family was convinced of been related to Marcus Aurelius by using the similarity to her surname as evidence. lol
Traditionally, my area of Italy provided a good chunk of the Cavalry of Rome, so people say that we descend from the Knights of Rome. :)
ps .... generally talking Ancient Rome is also considered by many Italians as another name for the Territory of Italy up to or North of the Rubicon River all the way to the Alps starting from the mid 1st Century BC.
Un piccolo segreto ma voglio che rimanga tra noi due.
I think i am related with these people:
Laberia (gens) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laberia_(gens))
Maybe in the future genetics will help me to find the truth.

31-03-18, 13:52
Il tuo segreto è il mio segreto.
Trust me Sen. + Eques Laberius

31-03-18, 20:47
Everybody is descended from both kings/nobility, and peasant/slaves; it''s just that the peasants were probably nicer people.

In my area we get our revolutionary, egalitarian attitude with our mothers's milk. After the turn of the century we were either anarchists/communists/socialists, though it's now changing.

The closest I get is to the Malaspina, who are the robber/barons of the Lunigiana/eastern Liguria, and the adjoining areas of Toscana. Lots of people in my family tree who bear that surname. I sincerely hope there's no blood tie, and it's just retainers or servants.

The Malaspina:
"The Malaspina were a noble Italian family of langobard origin descended from Boniface I (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boniface_I,_Margrave_of_Tuscany), Margrave of Tuscany (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margrave_of_Tuscany) through the Obertenghi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obertenghi) line, which ruled Lunigiana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunigiana) from the 13th to the 14th century through many feuds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feuds) and, since the 14th century, the marquisate of Massa and lordship of Carrara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Province_of_Massa_and_Carrara), then Duchy of Massa and Carrara (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Massa_and_Carrara), and latterly Principality of Massa and Marquisate of Carrara."

They were related to the Este and the Pallavicini. There are two branches: Spino Fiorito and Spino Secco, or the flowering thorn versus the dry thorn. Their motto is : This spine *****s the wicked, not the good.
A "*****ly" bunch you might say.

"The legendary origins of the Malaspina are explained by a painting to be found in one of the first halls of the fortress. According to it, their surname and family motto go back to the year 548, when a noble ancestor called Accino Marzio – in revenge for the murder of his father – killed Theudebert I, King of the Franks, by cutting his throat with a thorn as he slept. Thus, the enemy king's last words (“Ah! Mala spina!”, that is “bad thorn”) were adopted as the family name, while the Latin wordplay “Sum bona spina malis Sum mala spina bonis” (I am a good thorn for the evil, I am a bad thorn for the good) became their official slogan."


"Malaspina Family, feudal family (https://www.britannica.com/topic/family-kinship) powerful in northern Italy in the Middle Ages. Descended from Marquis Oberto I (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Oberto-I), who was created count palatine by the Holy Roman emperor Otto I (https://www.britannica.com/biography/Otto-I), the family at first controlled Tuscany, eastern Liguria, and the March of Lombardy. Early in the 11th century the Este, Pallavicino, and Massa-Corsica family branches separated from the Malaspina. The situation of Malaspina lands, in the mountainous regions of the Apennines, controlling the great highways connecting the Ligurian and Tuscan ports with north Italian cities, made the Malaspina powerful and helped them resist the encroachments of neighbouring cities. Repeated partition of their territory, first between two lines, the Spino Secco and the Spino Fiorito, then among many smaller subdivisions, gradually undermined their resistance to the pressure of the great communes. In the 14th century, however, they remained a leading feudal house under Franceschino Malaspina, host to Dante in 1306 during his exile, and under Spinetta Malaspina (d. 1352), who succeeded in extending the family territories. But in the 15th and 16th centuries, most of the Malaspina dominions passed under Genoese and Florentine control. One branch of the family prospered, Spinetta Malaspina’s great-grandnephew Antonio Alberigo acquiring Massa (1421) and Carrara (1428), east of Genoa, his dominions later becoming the principate (1568) and the duchy (1633) of Massa."


A few of their more noteworthy members:

Albert is sometimes called the first Italian troubadour.
"Albert Malaspina (1160/1165–1206/1212), called Alberto Moro ("the Moor") and lo marches putanier ("the whoring marquess"), was a member of the illustrious Malaspina family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaspina_family). He was a noted troubadour (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubadour) and patron of troubadours. Albert disputes with Peire de la Caravana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peire_de_la_Caravana) the position of earliest native Italian troubadour."

Corrado is mentioned by Dante in the Purgatorio
Alessandro was an explorer and Spanish naval officer:


There are a lot of legends about ghosts at their castle at Fosdinovo, where some of them still live, as they do at Monti:

"During its long history, Fosdinovo became the setting for several political and family intrigues. For example, the lustful marchioness Cristina Pallavicino, widow of Ippolito Malaspina, had a few deadly traps installed in her castle in order to get rid of her thorniest lovers. Alternatively, you can visit the room where one of the marquises was poisoned by his own son: some say that you can still feel his dying breath and weakening heartbeat by touching his bed or listening to the sound of the wooden bedknobs. Needless to say, the castle also has more traditional features, such as its creepy prison and torture chamber."

"One of the most famous legends concerning the Malaspina Castle of Fosdinovo is that the place is haunted by a ghost: that of Bianca Maria Aloisia, the albino daughter of Marquis James II. At a young age, Bianca fell in love with a servant whom she wanted to marry despite her parents' fervent opposition to that “shame”: eventually, to put an end to the dispute, the girl's father decided to have her walled up alive in a cell with a dog and a wild boar, symbols of fidelity and rebellion. Some recent excavations have in fact confirmed the presence of a girl's bones and two animals' remains inside the fortress.
Fosdinovo, however, is not known just for these gruesome episodes. According to the tradition, the room located in the most ancient tower of the building was once inhabited by none other than Dante Alighieri during his exile from Florence. As a matter of fact, the Sommo Poeta's friendship with the Malaspina – who suggested him to continue to work on his Divine Comedy – is immortalized by the 18th century frescoes in the main hall of the castle."


They were an unpleasant bunch all in all, imo.

Castello with Dante present at the signing of The Peace of Castelnuovo. He was a guess of the then lord.


31-03-18, 22:12

31-03-18, 23:48
@Carlos It’s time to tell your Story. :)

01-04-18, 01:01
A survivor of Spain 2018 is a Malaspina, Romina Malaspina (Mar de la Plata, Argentina), the blonde girl who dances with María Jesús Ruíz who is Andalusian (Jaén) and has become very close to Romina.

(The video brings two insurmountable ads at the beginning)


The video is blocked.

Anyway, the Malaspinas were associated with the Spanish crown for more than 300 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if some stayed in Spain and then made their way to Argentina.

01-04-18, 04:54