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Tomenable
11-04-18, 23:40
LINKS:

https://www.idrlabs.com/f-scale/test.php

https://www.idrlabs.com/fascism/test.php

Test based on:





References
T. W. Adorno et al.: The Authoritarian Personality (Harper & Brothers 1950)
Mark R. Leary & Rick H. Hoyle (eds.): Handbook of Individual Differences in Social Behavior (The Guilford Press 2009)





My results in Authoritarian Personality Test:

https://i.imgur.com/KZaDGZC.png





Conventionalism
Rigid adherence to conventional, middle-class values.

Your Score: Low

Authoritarian Submission
Submissive, uncritical attitude towards the idealized authorities of the group.

Your Score: Average

Authoritarian Aggression
Tendency to be alert to, condemn, reject, and to want to punish people who violate conventional values.

Your Score: Average

Anti-Intraception
Opposition to the subjective and the imaginative, as well as a dislike of abstract art and tender-minded people.

Your Score: Average

Superstition-Stereotypy
Superstitious beliefs about the determinants of the individual's fate and the disposition to think in rigid categories.

Your Score: Average

Power-Toughness
Preoccupation with dominance-submission and leader-follower dynamics, as well as identification with power figures and the tendency to want to assert strength and toughness.

Your Score: Average

Destructiveness-Cynicism
Generalized hostility to things not in line with one's personal values, and the devaluation of human life and tendencies.

Your Score: Very Low

Projectivity
Disposition to suspect that wild and dangerous things go behind closed doors, that one's group is losing control and that traditional society is headed towards destruction.

Your Score: High

Anti-Degeneracy
Concern with the sexual "goings-on" of others and resistance to sexual degeneracy within one’s group.

Your Score: Average

Total Score
Your total F score, meaning your receptivity to authoritarian/fascist beliefs.

For another approach to testing for fascist beliefs, see our Fascism Test.

Your Score: Average

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My results in the Fascism Test:

Fascism Test
You are 35% Fascist, which makes you a Fascist Fellow-Traveler.

In your case, it would appear that your political outlook shares more than a few of the core doctrines of fascism. Since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in, it is scarcely surprising that most people's political outlook will have quite a few similarities with the doctrines of fascism. Even after adjusting for these parameters, however, it would seem that the commonalities between your political outlook and fascism are not merely incidental, but arise from certain overall themes, concerns, and solutions which your personal outlook has in common with fascism. While you are most likely *not* a fascist, the overlap between your preferred society and that of fascism is simply too significant to be pure chance. In all likelihood, you are what one might call a 'Fascist Fellow Traveler': Someone who sees value in some of the immediate societal changes that fascism would bring about, but *not* someone who is an actual fascist. Your ultimate political goal lies elsewhere.

For another approach to testing for fascist beliefs, see the classical F Scale Test.

Ygorcs
12-04-18, 02:19
My results in the Fascist Test were:
You are 28% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.


While your political outlook may share a few (or even quite a few) of fascism's fundamental doctrines, it is overall safe to say that your political orientation is *not* a fascist one. Now, you may find this result unsurprising, but in reality, most people have at least some points of agreement with fascism since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in. Hence, adjusting for these factors, even though your fascism percentage might seem quite high, there is really nothing surprising about these agreements, when viewed in their proper historical context, so rest assured: Your political beliefs are definitely not fascist.

For another approach to testing for fascist beliefs, see the classical F Scale Test (https://www.idrlabs.com/f-scale/test.php).

Angela
12-04-18, 03:11
I don't know if it's the same test, but...

These are the results of the Right-wing Authoritarianism Scale.

Your score for right-wing authoritarianism was 19.32%.

Have I disappointed you, Tomenable? :)

Tomenable
12-04-18, 03:54
Sorry I just realized that I forgot to post links (and you took some other test), here are the ones I took: :)

https://www.idrlabs.com/f-scale/test.php

https://www.idrlabs.com/fascism/test.php

AdeoF
12-04-18, 04:49
I got 58%
This makes me 19.6% more authoritarian than the average person.

Hmm interesting, maybe im a anti-hero

Angela
12-04-18, 06:03
Ok. 1st test:
F-Scale TestYour results:https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/fscale?p=33,38,33,38,25,8,50,30,28,31This makes you 7.4% less authoritarian than the average person.

2nd test:

Fascism TestYou are 28% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.I'm not surprised. On the other hand, no offense, but I think these kinds of questionaires don't really tell us much. I had huge qualifiers on almost every question. I'm also a highly conventional, old fashioned type of woman. It's just that I don't believe in imposing my beliefs on other people.

There's a liberal fascist test, but I couldn't find it.

davef
12-04-18, 06:45
HERES MINE!!!!
F-Scale TestYour results:https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/fscale?p=4,26,2,29,19,13,75,13,0,20&mobile=1This makes you 18.4% less authoritarian than the average person.

davef
12-04-18, 06:48
Explanation of Facets:ConventionalismRigid adherence to conventional, middle-class values.
Your Score: Very Low

Authoritarian SubmissionSubmissive, uncritical attitude towards the idealized authorities of the group.
Your Score: Low

Authoritarian AggressionTendency to be alert to, condemn, reject, and to want to punish people who violate conventional values.
Your Score: Very Low

Anti-IntraceptionOpposition to the subjective and the imaginative, as well as a dislike of abstract art and tender-minded people.
Your Score: Low

Superstition-StereotypySuperstitious beliefs about the determinants of the individual's fate and the disposition to think in rigid categories.
Your Score: Very Low

Power-ToughnessPreoccupation with dominance-submission and leader-follower dynamics, as well as identification with power figures and the tendency to want to assert strength and toughness.
Your Score: Very Low

Destructiveness-CynicismGeneralized hostility to things not in line with one's personal values, and the devaluation of human life and tendencies.
Your Score: High

ProjectivityDisposition to suspect that wild and dangerous things go behind closed doors, that one's group is losing control and that traditional society is headed towards destruction.
Your Score: Very Low

Anti-DegeneracyConcern with the sexual "goings-on" of others and resistance to sexual degeneracy within one’s group.
Your Score: Very Low

Total ScoreYour total F score, meaning your receptivity to authoritarian/fascist beliefs.
For another approach to testing for fascist beliefs, see our Fascism Test (https://www.idrlabs.com/fascism/test.php).
Your Score: Very Low

davef
12-04-18, 07:05
I don't like them describing me as someone who is hostile towards those who don't agree with my beliefs (based on my cynicism score) because that's not who I am. I have close friends who are Trump supporters. If someone doesn't agreee with my views, I can still get along with that person just fine as long as that person treats me with respect (and I'll gladly do so in return if that is met).

IronSide
12-04-18, 07:08
F-Scale Test

https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/fscale?p=29,17,40,29,11,31,33,23,17,26

This makes you 12.4% less authoritarian than the average person.


ConventionalismRigid adherence to conventional, middle-class values.
Your Score: Low

Authoritarian SubmissionSubmissive, uncritical attitude towards the idealized authorities of the group.
Your Score: Very Low

Authoritarian AggressionTendency to be alert to, condemn, reject, and to want to punish people who violate conventional values.
Your Score: Average

Anti-IntraceptionOpposition to the subjective and the imaginative, as well as a dislike of abstract art and tender-minded people.
Your Score: Low

Superstition-StereotypySuperstitious beliefs about the determinants of the individual's fate and the disposition to think in rigid categories.
Your Score: Very Low

Power-ToughnessPreoccupation with dominance-submission and leader-follower dynamics, as well as identification with power figures and the tendency to want to assert strength and toughness.
Your Score: Low

Destructiveness-CynicismGeneralized hostility to things not in line with one's personal values, and the devaluation of human life and tendencies.
Your Score: Low

ProjectivityDisposition to suspect that wild and dangerous things go behind closed doors, that one's group is losing control and that traditional society is headed towards destruction.
Your Score: Low

Anti-DegeneracyConcern with the sexual "goings-on" of others and resistance to sexual degeneracy within one’s group.
Your Score: Very Low

Total ScoreYour total F score, meaning your receptivity to authoritarian/fascist beliefs.
For another approach to testing for fascist beliefs, see our Fascism Test (https://www.idrlabs.com/fascism/test.php).
Your Score: Low


Fascism TestYou are 28% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.

Salento
12-04-18, 07:12
We can tell who’s an authoritarian or not, just by reading posts.of active members, including mine.

We know. lol :)

davef
12-04-18, 07:26
Ironside, congrats on the 17 percent authoritarian submission score! I wish mine was lower. I can see how yours is as low as it is, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Too many people around you being arrested for committing the crime of recognizing basic human rights and engaging in non hostile activities that pose no threat to anyone.

Mark
12-04-18, 08:08
I like to test tests like this and see the results. If you answer as a transhumanist anarchist, it gives you a 46% and says you are a “fascist fellow-traveller.” If you mark neutral all the way down you get 50% and labeled a “crypto-fascist”...

IronSide
12-04-18, 08:26
Ironside, congrats on the 17 percent authoritarian submission score! I wish mine was lower. I can see how yours is as low as it is, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Too many people around you being arrested for committing the crime of recognizing basic human rights and engaging in non hostile activities that pose no threat to anyone.

Ah thanks, but it's not as bad as you think, thankfully not so many people around me get arrested.

The only issue that I have always been vocal about is women's rights, freedom in dress and independence from male guardianship, and economic equality and independence.

Many people have called me a cuckold for not enforcing the veil on my sisters, I have stood with and supported my eldest sister in her divorce from a conventional marriage to a man she didn't love, who was oppressing her.

I say damn them all.

As to democracy, I'm for it all the way, but if the people themselves don't make a move, and are still waiting for the government to give them their right, then it will never happen, because who gives a right can also take it.

Anyway, the current authoritarian prince seems like a good, enlightened guy.

davef
12-04-18, 09:04
I understand, Ironside! Thanks for clearing things up!

edit: SO SORRY! I accidentally downvoted that post you made, my clumsy thumb accidentally tapped the red minus sign it on my phone (I wanted to upvote it). I upvoted two of your posts to make up for it!

Ygorcs
12-04-18, 09:30
On the F-Scale Test, these were my results. Mostly all were ranked low to very low, decidedly non-authoritarian and not fascist, except for the unexpectedly high (too high even, wow!) scores for destructiveness-cynicism, which was really a (bad) surprise for me. :-O

9994

Ygorcs
12-04-18, 09:40
I don't like them describing me as someone who is hostile towards those who don't agree with my beliefs (based on my cynicism score) because that's not who I am. I have close friends who are Trump supporters. If someone doesn't agreee with my views, I can still get along with that person just fine as long as that person treats me with respect (and I'll gladly do so in return if that is met).

I also took a 75% score in destructiveness/cynicism. Considering the questions of the test that I think were most related to that, I would disagree on the point that it's a "hostility to people who don't hold my personal values", but just that I do believe that there are some fundamental values and rights that do not depend on the generalized approval of a culture, ethnicity or state, and I would strongly criticize a certain practice or custom even if it's held to be "traditional" or "collectively accepted" in a certain place or time. I also firmly believe that people with radical, authoritarian beliefs must be vehemently, openly criticized, though I wouldn't favor punishing them just because of their beliefs. But I'm definitely no man to say that I respect and accept all beliefs and positions, especially if they are directly offensive and dangerous to other people (from that point on, one's opinion concretely matters to other people, because it's not just about the person that holds those thoughts, those ideas themselves are meant to be enforced on the collectivity).

So, in that sense I can be really - but actually a bit unashamedly in a proud way - intolerant of practices and beliefs that I firmly believe are harmful to individuals regardless of what broader groups/institutions, like the "society", state or religion, prescribe. I don't think those practices and customs are condoned just because "the majority approved" or "it's the traditional way of that people". If that makes me cynical and destructive, well, then the test was spot on. LOL

Tomenable
12-04-18, 10:19
I'm not sure which questions were related to Destructiveness-Cynicism but I'm glad that I scored 0% on this. As for Authoritarian Submission, I guess that mildly agreeing with that statement about courageous, tireless, devoted and trustworthy leaders increased my score. But I don't see any reason why should I disagree with that, good leaders are very important. Even the best laws can be implemented badly by poor leaders.

Maciamo
12-04-18, 10:48
First test:
https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/fscale?p=54,40,46,58,22,46,67,37,28,44
I am surprised. I got 43% Fascist (highest score so far) at the 2nd test, even though I am economically and socially (ultra-)liberal, atheist, anti-war, and generally favour the individual over the state, and I am definitely against military-style schools (I am more of a Montessori advocate). I scored 56% conventional when there is nothing conventional about me. I am a future-oriented reformist that doesn't mind getting rid of most traditional systems and beliefs. I should also score lower than 22% on superstitions. That makes one wonder about the accuracy of these tests. The only things that are compatible in my personality with fascism is toughness (e.g. against crime and corruption), and maybe dislike of abstract art (but I hate Art Deco too and that was the Nazi's official style).

Maciamo
12-04-18, 11:00
I also took a 75% score in destructiveness/cynicism. Considering the questions of the test that I think were most related to that, I would disagree on the point that it's a "hostility to people who don't hold my personal values", but just that I do believe that there are some fundamental values and rights that do not depend on the generalized approval of a culture, ethnicity or state, and I would strongly criticize a certain practice or custom even if it's held to be "traditional" or "collectively accepted" in a certain place or time. I also firmly believe that people with radical, authoritarian beliefs must be vehemently, openly criticized, though I wouldn't favor punishing them just because of their beliefs. But I'm definitely no man to say that I respect and accept all beliefs and positions, especially if they are directly offensive and dangerous to other people (from that point on, one's opinion concretely matters to other people, because it's not just about the person that holds those thoughts, those ideas themselves are meant to be enforced on the collectivity).

So, in that sense I can be really - but actually a bit unashamedly in a proud way - intolerant of practices and beliefs that I firmly believe are harmful to individuals regardless of what broader groups/institutions, like the "society", state or religion, prescribe. I don't think those practices and customs are condoned just because "the majority approved" or "it's the traditional way of that people". If that makes me cynical and destructive, well, then the test was spot on. LOL

I also scored high on destructiveness/cynicism and I couldn't agree more with your analysis. I feel the same way.

davef
12-04-18, 13:58
This test worked for me, especially with the conventional score. I don't believe in doing things the old way or keeping up traditional values. If getting married in alternative venues besides churches becomes the norm, I'll be cool with that. I'll be happy to attend a wedding at a bowling ally with a "minister" dressed as Chewbacca with everyone chanting "CHEWIE! CHEWIE!" as he enters and letting out his famous signature growl "grrrrruh" lol. Sorry, but I since I don't feel all that tied (but still tied to a degree) to the old world of the US or my ancestral places in Europe (though I like learning about them and respect them), it won't be too horrible to not keep up traditional values.

Maciamo
12-04-18, 15:35
This test worked for me, especially with the conventional score. I don't believe in doing things the old way or keeping up traditional values. If getting married in alternative venues besides churches becomes the norm, I'll be cool with that. I'll be happy to attend a wedding at a bowling ally with a "minister" dressed as Chewbacca with everyone chanting "CHEWIE! CHEWIE!" as he enters and letting out his famous signature growl "grrrrruh" lol. Sorry, but I since I don't feel all that tied (but still tied to a degree) to the old world of the US or my ancestral places in Europe (though I like learning about them and respect them), it won't be too horrible to not keep up traditional values.

You understand that getting married in itself is a conventional thing to do, don't you? Here about half of the people who have children do not get married at all. It's become optional nowadays. But Americans are still quite traditional in that regard. Even among the people who do get married here, an increasing number of people do not have a religious ceremony at all. Just signing at the town hall then a party with family and friends. The main reason to get married here is to have the party. Legally it doesn't make any difference.

Salento
12-04-18, 15:55
You understand that getting married in itself is a conventional thing to do, don't you? Here about half of the people who have children do not get married at all. It's become optional nowadays. But Americans are still quite traditional in that regard. Even among the people who do get married here, an increasing number of people do not have a religious ceremony at all. Just signing at the town hall then a party with family and friends. The main reason to get married here is to have the party. Legally it doesn't make any difference.

It can’t be that the main reason to get married in ...... is to have a party.
Theoretically, how about: Stability, sense of Family, Love.
Sharing exclusivity between 2 people.

Azzurro
12-04-18, 16:03
9998

This makes you 7.6% more authoritarian than the average person.

Fascist Test

You are 37% Fascist, which makes you a Fascist Fellow-Traveler.

LeBrok
12-04-18, 18:06
https://www.idrlabs.com/graphic/fscale?p=50,29,25,50,0,21,17,10,22,25

This makes you 13.4% less authoritarian than the average person.

You are 31% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.

LeBrok
12-04-18, 18:26
First test:

I am surprised. I got 43% Fascist (highest score so far) at the 2nd test, even though I am economically and socially (ultra-)liberal, atheist, anti-war, and generally favour the individual over the state, and I am definitely against military-style schools (I am more of a Montessori advocate). I scored 56% conventional when there is nothing conventional about me. I am a future-oriented reformist that doesn't mind getting rid of most traditional systems and beliefs. I should also score lower than 22% on superstitions. That makes one wonder about the accuracy of these tests. The only things that are compatible in my personality with fascism is toughness (e.g. against crime and corruption), and maybe dislike of abstract art (but I hate Art Deco too and that was the Nazi's official style). This is what I represent too in all aspects you described. Plus, I'm much tougher on myself than other people (except my kids, to a degree). My conventionalism should be close to 0. There are too few questions in this survey to avoid statistical fallacy.
Come on, I love art deco, lol. It just happened that it was popular during high of fascism. I guess, this is my low productivity and stereotyping talking.

Maciamo
12-04-18, 18:58
It can’t be that the main reason to get married in ...... is to have a party.
Theoretically, how about: Stability, sense of Family, Love.
Sharing exclusivity between 2 people.

Absolutely not! Statistically couple who get married are more likely to split (divorce) than those who live together and have kids together without getting married. Perhaps that's because on some unconscious level people think that once they are married they don't have to try as hard anymore.

I know plenty of people who live together just under a civil partnership and have just as much (or more) stability, sense of family and love as married people. Marriage is mostly a religious thing. Once religion becomes irrelevant, you don't need that label any more.

Mark
13-04-18, 08:42
Absolutely not! Statistically couple who get married are more likely to split (divorce) than those who live together and have kids together without getting married. Perhaps that's because on some unconscious level people think that once they are married they don't have to try as hard anymore.

I know plenty of people who live together just under a civil partnership and have just as much (or more) stability, sense of family and love as married people. Marriage is mostly a religious thing. Once religion becomes irrelevant, you don't need that label any more.

Wife and I considered ourselves married before we were married. Getting legally married had to do with guaranteeing her rights and granting my surname which she loves. I see no reason why it can’t be contract based enforceable through government but not necessarily managed by them.

Personally I take monogamy very seriously and found a woman capable as me in fostering a deep and enjoyable bond. I don’t believe I’m capable of another lifestyle and I can honestly say I couldn’t ever see myself with another woman in my life.

I’m not religious at all.

Maciamo
13-04-18, 10:06
Wife and I considered ourselves married before we were married. Getting legally married had to do with guaranteeing her rights and granting my surname which she loves. I see no reason why it can’t be contract based enforceable through government but not necessarily managed by them.

Personally I take monogamy very seriously and found a woman capable as me in fostering a deep and enjoyable bond. I don’t believe I’m capable of another lifestyle and I can honestly say I couldn’t ever see myself with another woman in my life.

I’m not religious at all.

I also consider myself monogamous. The way I see it is that if a couple is strictly monogamous, they don't need marriage to "consolidate" or officialise their union. After all, most birds mate for life and they don't get married. Players for whom monogamy isn't suited definitely should not get married either. So the question is, for whom is marriage designed? Is it for people who aren't too sure about their partner and need reassurance from the community (family, friends, state) that their union is stable? It doesn't work otherwise half of marriages wouldn't end up in divorce.

The reason why people marry is mostly cultural and religious. According to OECD stats (https://www.oecd.org/els/family/SF_3_1_Marriage_and_divorce_rates.pdf), Americans have the highest marriage rate of any Western country after Russia (if it is considered 'Western') and Lithuania. The US marriage rate is almost twice higher than the EU average, and more similar to what it used to be in Western Europe in the 1960's and 70s. This table from Eurostat shows how the marriage rate in almost all European countries (except the most eastern ones) has fallen by half over the last 4 decades.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/e/e0/Crude_marriage_rate%2C_selected_years%2C_1960-2015_%28per_1_000_persons%29.png

The disparities between countries already existed in the 70's. Germans used to have a higher marriage rate than the French or Brits, and they still do, even though all fell by half.

But the marriage rate doesn't take into account the discrepancy between people who never marry and never have kids, and those who do have children but without ever marrying. In Southern Europe the birth rate has dropped a lot along the marriage rate because fewer people get into long-term relationships with children. But that's not true of France, Britain or Scandinavia.

We see more clearly on this map that the countries with the highest percentages of children living with unmarried parents come from countries with a high percentage of atheists or non-religious people, such as France, Britain and Scandinavia.

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2015/10/Map5/bb3735ab4.png


In the USA having children out-of-wedlock has a bad rep because the vast majority of these children end up living in single-parent homes. Only 2% of American children live in a family with two cohabiting parents (as opposed to two married parents or a single parent), against 31% in Estonia, 26% in Sweden, 25% in France, 18% in Belgium and 14% in the UK. Even traditional minded (and relatively religious) Germans and Spaniards have 8% of them (four times more than in the US !).

https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/sites/default/files/images/chamie-chartPicture3-500px.png


So it looks like religion, or traditions influenced by religion, is still a determinant factor in whether parents feel the need to get married or not.

Mark
13-04-18, 17:59
Maciamo, I have moved my response to your thread on marriage:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=538668

Northener
24-04-18, 19:10
IMO the fascism test is ridiculous, even a slightest and modest leftist play for state intervention and/or less consumer addict opinions gets a score of 41% and second time 35%.....(= fellow traveler). So a strange view on fascism behind this all.

Especially in relationship with my f-scale: This makes you 22.4% less authoritarian than the average person.

IMO I had to be at least more than average authoritarian to be potential affiliated with fascism.

https://www.mupload.nl/img/rsdvln9.png

Ygorcs
24-04-18, 20:27
IMO the fascism test is ridiculous, even a slightest and modest leftist play for state intervention and/or less consumer addict opinions gets a score of 41% and second time 35%.....(= fellow traveler). So a strange view on fascism behind this all.

Especially in relationship with my f-scale: This makes you 22.4% less authoritarian than the average person.

IMO I had to be at least more than average authoritarian to be potential affiliated with fascism.

https://www.mupload.nl/img/rsdvln9.png

I agree with you. It seems like that first test basically equates "favors higher state intervention" and "is not completely liberal [in the European/classic sense of liberalism]" with "flirts with fascism". A bit one-dimensional.

Tennesseean
25-10-19, 04:36
0.6 More Authoritarian than the average person.
28% Fascist "which means you're not really fascist."

Farstar
25-10-19, 10:06
My results:

Fascism TestYou are 18% Fascist, which makes you Not Fascist.https://www.idrlabs.com/misc_pictures/fascism-button-icon.png

While your political outlook may share a few (or even quite a few) of fascism's fundamental doctrines, it is overall safe to say that your political orientation is *not* a fascist one. Now, you may find this result unsurprising, but in reality, most people have at least some points of agreement with fascism since fascism is really a mix of communism, socialism, conservatism, and liberalism, with a few innovations of its own thrown in. Hence, adjusting for these factors, even though your fascism percentage might seem quite high, there is really nothing surprising about these agreements, when viewed in their proper historical context, so rest assured: Your political beliefs are definitely not fascist.