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Norditaliano
18-04-18, 11:09
Hallo, I'm from North East of Italy, this is the results of the "Complete" section. What do you think? Thank you

Europe 90.2%

Europe (South) 57.9% North Italy 18.8% Tuscany 12.3% South Italy 9.9% Iberian Peninsula 9.5% Aegean 5.8% Sardinia 1.5%
Europe (North and West) 19.4% France 14.4% Scandinavia 2.6% Germanic 2.3%
Europe (East) 9.2% West Balkans 5.1% East Balkans 4.2%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.7% England and Wales 3.7%

Near East 9.8%

North Turkey 5.2% Kurdish 2.9% Iran 1.7%

Maciamo
18-04-18, 12:47
Interesting. I have several French-speaking Belgians with higher percentages of Tuscany (up to 20%). Actually most of them have over 10%.

Norditaliano
18-04-18, 12:58
Interesting. I have several French-speaking Belgians with higher percentages of Tuscany (up to 20%). Actually most of them have over 10%.

Hallo Maciamo, can you explain me the differences between the section "Complete", "Standard" and "Cautious" in Living DNA? Thank you

AdeoF
18-04-18, 15:22
That's a high amount of Asian admixture even for a northern Italian

Maciamo
18-04-18, 16:07
Hallo Maciamo, can you explain me the differences between the section "Complete", "Standard" and "Cautious" in Living DNA? Thank you

It is just the difference of confidence levels for each ancestry. The complete mode is the most interesting.

At present British ancestry in overestimated, but this should be fixed in later versions.

Gabriele Pashaj
19-04-18, 06:47
Ehi ! Ciao ! Mizzica sei un bel mix di cose... pensando anche ai miei risultati ... my European percentage is higher than yours (94.5) , my Europe south percentage is higher also(74,5) ,my Tuscan is percentage is lower ( sul 7%) , I have not any south Italy component, nor any iberian component, mt Aegean is 64,5%( essendo albanese) and the Sardinian componenf is the same as yours... etc etc

Per curiosità... have you got your y/ mtdna ?

Mine being I2 ( CTS10028)
Mtdna - H(H15)





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Gabriele Pashaj
19-04-18, 06:48
Dimenticavo.... strano che a un albanese come me non abbiano rilevato niente di ‘Near east’.. perché a quanto pare a te sì ...


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Norditaliano
19-04-18, 06:58
Ciao Gabriele, I'm R-U152 and H1a3

Norditaliano
19-04-18, 08:00
The high percentage of near East is maybe due at the influence of the Republic of Venice? I'm from Veneto

Gabriele Pashaj
19-04-18, 08:13
Thank you for your reply! Maybe is so( referring to the ‘Veneto’ contest) Buona giornata !


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Norditaliano
19-04-18, 08:25
Thank you for your reply! Maybe is so( referring to the ‘Veneto’ contest) Buona giornata !


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Buona giornata Gabriele!

Salento
19-04-18, 14:45
It is just the difference of confidence levels for each ancestry. The complete mode is the most interesting.

At present British ancestry in overestimated, but this should be fixed in later versions.

I value your expertise, experience, and insight.
In your opinion which DNA Testing Company provides the most accurate Autosomal/Ancestry Results ?
Which Company Results should we reference as proof of Ancestry when posting on Eupedia ?
Which Company we should NOT Reference to make a point?
Thanks in advance Maciamo.

Norditaliano
19-04-18, 16:53
I need your help for the interpretation of the results, thank you

Pax Augusta
19-04-18, 16:56
Hallo, I'm from North East of Italy, this is the results of the "Complete" section. What do you think? Thank you

Europe 90.2%

Europe (South) 57.9% North Italy 18.8% Tuscany 12.3% South Italy 9.9% Iberian Peninsula 9.5% Aegean 5.8% Sardinia 1.5%
Europe (North and West) 19.4% France 14.4% Scandinavia 2.6% Germanic 2.3%
Europe (East) 9.2% West Balkans 5.1% East Balkans 4.2%
Great Britain and Ireland 3.7% England and Wales 3.7%
Near East 9.8% North Turkey 5.2% Kurdish 2.9% Iran 1.7%

Have you uploaded your raw data on Gedmatch Genesis? If so, can you post your Harappa and Eurogenes K15 results?

LivingDNA has likely a problem with the North Italy reference population, many North Italians score small percentages of North Italy, and usually not more than 15/20%. On the other hand, North Italians can score also over 30% of Great Britain and Ireland, and this move them too far north-west, and so there is need for a reference population rich in CHG to put them back into position.

I've seen a similar pattern in a couple of persons who are mix of Ligurian and Veneto, so a mix of north western and north eastern Italian. They both score very low North Italy (one of the two scores 5% North Italy!), not more than 50/60% South European, over 30% of Great Britain and Ireland or Europe North and West (one of the two scores 39% of Great Britain and Ireland), and they both have around 5-10% of Kurdish/Iran/Pashtun.... There are even fully British people who score a bit of it.

Norditaliano
19-04-18, 17:02
Have you uploaded your raw data on Gedmatch Genesis? If so, can you post your Harappa and Eurogenes K15 results?

LivingDNA has likely a problem with the North Italy reference population, many North Italians score small percentages of North Italy, and usually not more than 15/20%. On the other hand, North Italians can score also over 30% of Great Britain and Ireland, and this move them too far north-west, and so there is need for a reference population rich in CHG to put them back into position.

I've seen a similar pattern in a couple of persons who are mix of Ligurian and Veneto, so a mix of north western and north eastern Italian. They both score very low North Italy (one of the two scores 5% North Italy!), not more than 50/60% South European, over 30% of Great Britain and Ireland or Europe North and West (one of the two scores 39% of Great Britain and Ireland), and they both have around 5-10% of Kurdish/Iran/Pashtun.... There are even fully British people who score a bit of it.

Thank you Pax Augusta, what is Gedmatch Genesis? I'm very pivellino

Pax Augusta
19-04-18, 17:07
Thank you Pax Augusta, what is Gedmatch Genesis? I'm very pivellino

Iscriviti qui sotto e carica il tuo raw data (Generic Uploads (23andme, FTDNA, AncestryDNA, most others). In poche ore puoi utilizzare i tool di gedmatch che servono ad analizzare il tuo genoma. Sono tutti strumenti amatoriali ma siccome esiste ormai un pattern consolidato, se ne possono ricavare comunque delle informazioni utili.


https://genesis.gedmatch.com/

Salento
19-04-18, 18:35
Some of the Gedmatch calculators confuse S.Italians with Ashkenazi.

Alcuni calcolatori di Gedmatch confondono i Sud-Italiani con gli Aschenazi.
Forse per questo motivo (alcune speculazioni):

This is probably the reason (some speculations):
https://www.google.com/amp/s/notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/01/29/southern-italians-and-ashkenazi-jews-what-is-the-connection/amp/

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/

Maciamo
20-04-18, 10:08
I value your expertise, experience, and insight.
In your opinion which DNA Testing Company provides the most accurate Autosomal/Ancestry Results ?
Which Company Results should we reference as proof of Ancestry when posting on Eupedia ?
Which Company we should NOT Reference to make a point?
Thanks in advance Maciamo.

I have reviewed all the ancestral DNA tests here (https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/which_ancestry_dna_test_to_choose.shtml). At present none of the autosomal report can be said to be totally accurate. The most interesting report is Living DNA and their report is going to get much better thanks to the One Family One World Project.

kingjohn
20-04-18, 16:11
maciamo dont forget that they are using imputation
it can effect results .....
it is pretty different from my ftdna raw data especialy in the european components of eurogenes k36.....
i still think living dna is good test because you get all the package for a fair price{ autosomal+y dna+mtdna}

Sile
20-04-18, 19:28
The high percentage of near East is maybe due at the influence of the Republic of Venice? I'm from Veneto
which one of the 7 provinces of the region of veneto are you from..........my family line paternal and maternal are from Treviso province

my latest admixture ( and seems to be slightly changing forever but settled after BigY ) is 98.8 european and 1.2 central asian ..........for what it is worth

Sile
20-04-18, 19:37
Have you uploaded your raw data on Gedmatch Genesis? If so, can you post your Harappa and Eurogenes K15 results?

LivingDNA has likely a problem with the North Italy reference population, many North Italians score small percentages of North Italy, and usually not more than 15/20%. On the other hand, North Italians can score also over 30% of Great Britain and Ireland, and this move them too far north-west, and so there is need for a reference population rich in CHG to put them back into position.

I've seen a similar pattern in a couple of persons who are mix of Ligurian and Veneto, so a mix of north western and north eastern Italian. They both score very low North Italy (one of the two scores 5% North Italy!), not more than 50/60% South European, over 30% of Great Britain and Ireland or Europe North and West (one of the two scores 39% of Great Britain and Ireland), and they both have around 5-10% of Kurdish/Iran/Pashtun.... There are even fully British people who score a bit of it.

Are these numbers for north italy only from living dna only?...............because I score for my family, 35%, 27%, 22% and 21% for my family members.( 23andme) ..........but all have 10 to 15% irish? and remainder french/german and small % of iberian or balkan

Norditaliano
21-04-18, 06:27
which one of the 7 provinces of the region of veneto are you from..........my family line paternal and maternal are from Treviso province

my latest admixture ( and seems to be slightly changing forever but settled after BigY ) is 98.8 european and 1.2 central asian ..........for what it is worth

I'm from the province of Padua.

Norditaliano
21-04-18, 11:05
Two days ago I have uploaded the raw data on Gedmatch, there is always this: Kits marked with ** have been tokenized, but have not completed batch processing. They are available for one-to-one comparisons, but not one-to-many comparisons.

Pax Augusta
21-04-18, 15:37
Two days ago I have uploaded the raw data on Gedmatch, there is always this: Kits marked with ** have been tokenized, but have not completed batch processing. They are available for one-to-one comparisons, but not one-to-many comparisons.

Because you have uploaded the raw data on the old Gedmatch site, instead you should have uploaded your raw data on Genesis Gedmatch. LivingDNA raw data works only on Genesis Gedmatch.

Genesis Gedmatch

https://genesis.gedmatch.com/

Salento
21-04-18, 16:36
Two days ago I have uploaded the raw data on Gedmatch, there is always this: Kits marked with ** have been tokenized, but have not completed batch processing. They are available for one-to-one comparisons, but not one-to-many comparisons.
Guarda a destra e clicca dove dice Admixture (heritage).

Pax Augusta
21-04-18, 16:48
Guarda a destra e clicca dove dice Admixture (heritage).

Lo deve caricare su Genesis, altrimenti i risultati rischiano di non essere accurati.

Norditaliano
21-04-18, 17:08
Grazie ragazzi, sto caricando su Genesis

Norditaliano
22-04-18, 02:50
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


# Population Percent
1 West_Med 22.45
2 Atlantic 20.66
3 East_Med 18.8
4 North_Sea 18.18
5 West_Asian 10.5
6 Baltic 8.09
7 Eastern_Euro 0.87
8 Oceanian 0.38
9 Northeast_African 0.08

Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
North_Italian
6.21


2
Tuscan
6.72


3
Greek_Thessaly
11.89


4
Italian_Abruzzo
12.17


5
Portuguese
12.63


6
West_Sicilian
12.64


7
Greek
12.97


8
Spanish_Extremadura
13.08


9
Spanish_Murcia
13.18


10
Spanish_Andalucia
13.3


11
Spanish_Galicia
13.4


12
Spanish_Cataluna
13.45


13
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
13.91


14
Spanish_Valencia
14.37


15
Central_Greek
14.42


16
Bulgarian
14.62


17
East_Sicilian
14.78


18
Romanian
15.27


19
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
15.41


20

South_Italian
15.8








Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

91.2%
North_Italian
+
8.8%
Armenian
@
5.15


2

81.6%
North_Italian
+
18.4%
South_Italian
@
5.22


3

80.3%
North_Italian
+
19.7%
Central_Greek
@
5.27


4

76.7%
North_Italian
+
23.3%
Greek_Thessaly
@
5.31


5

92%
North_Italian
+
8%
Assyrian
@
5.36


6

94%
North_Italian
+
6%
Abhkasian
@
5.39


7

93.5%
North_Italian
+
6.5%
Georgian
@
5.4


8

92.3%
North_Italian
+
7.7%
Georgian_Jewish
@
5.4


9

82.5%
North_Italian
+
17.5%
East_Sicilian
@
5.49


10

79%
North_Italian
+
21%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
5.5


11

90.7%
North_Italian
+
9.3%
Cyprian
@
5.5


12

57.4%
North_Italian
+
42.6%
Tuscan
@
5.52


13

93.1%
North_Italian
+
6.9%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
5.52


14

93.2%
North_Italian
+
6.8%
Iranian_Jewish
@
5.56


15

93.1%
North_Italian
+
6.9%
Lebanese_Druze
@
5.58


16

93.1%
North_Italian
+
6.9%
Kurdish
@
5.58


17

91.5%
North_Italian
+
8.5%
Turkish
@
5.58


18

54.7%
Spanish_Cataluna
+
45.3%
South_Italian
@
5.61


19

93.3%
North_Italian
+
6.7%
Lebanese_Christian
@
5.63


20

81.8%
North_Italian
+
18.2%
Greek
@
5.64








HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Population



S-Indian
0.77


Baloch
5.20


Caucasian
26.41


NE-Euro
27.70


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
-


NE-Asian
-


Papuan
0.30


American
-


Beringian
-


Mediterranean
33.56


SW-Asian
5.88


San
0.10


E-African
-


Pygmy
0.10


W-African
-

Pax Augusta
22-04-18, 02:53
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

HarappaWorld Oracle results:




Thanks for sharing. You're probably the most southern shifted Venetian I've ever seen so far. There are even Central Italians with results similar to yours.

The North Italian sample reference on Living DNA should be the same of that of Eurogenes K15 and Harappa, an academic sample from Bergamo.


On MDLP you could get Italian_North as first result.



Are these numbers for north italy only from living dna only?...............because I score for my family, 35%, 27%, 22% and 21% for my family members.( 23andme) ..........but all have 10 to 15% irish? and remainder french/german and small % of iberian or balkan


Yes, Sile. Only from Living DNA.

Norditaliano
22-04-18, 03:04
HarappaWorld Admixture Proportions


Population



S-Indian
0.77


Baloch
5.20


Caucasian
26.41


NE-Euro
27.70


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
-


NE-Asian
-


Papuan
0.30


American
-


Beringian
-


Mediterranean
33.56


SW-Asian
5.88


San
0.10


E-African
-


Pygmy
0.10


W-African
-

Norditaliano
22-04-18, 06:20
Thanks for sharing. You're probably the most southern shifted Venetian I've ever seen so far. There are even Central Italians with results similar to yours.

The North Italian sample reference on Living DNA should be the same of that of Eurogenes K15 and Harappa, an academic sample from Bergamo.


On MDLP you could get Italian_North as first result.





Yes, Sile. Only from Living DNA.


Thank you Pax Augusta, considering this results what do you think about the Near East in Living DNA?
Yes, on MDLP North Italian is first result.

felipeschmidt25
02-05-18, 04:58
Do you think living dna is Good for italian people or people that have italian ancestry?

Maciamo
02-05-18, 09:54
Do you think living dna is Good for italian people or people that have italian ancestry?

That's the only company that divides Italy is several regions (North, Centre, South) besides Sardinia.

Sile
02-05-18, 19:56
Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 22.45
2 Atlantic 20.66
3 East_Med 18.8
4 North_Sea 18.18
5 West_Asian 10.5
6 Baltic 8.09
7 Eastern_Euro 0.87
8 Oceanian 0.38
9 Northeast_African 0.08
.
Single Population Sharing:


#
Population (source)
Distance


1
North_Italian
6.21


2
Tuscan
6.72


3
Greek_Thessaly
11.89


4
Italian_Abruzzo
12.17


5
Portuguese
12.63


6
West_Sicilian
12.64


7
Greek
12.97


8
Spanish_Extremadura
13.08


9
Spanish_Murcia
13.18


10
Spanish_Andalucia
13.3


11
Spanish_Galicia
13.4


12
Spanish_Cataluna
13.45


13
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
13.91


14
Spanish_Valencia
14.37


15
Central_Greek
14.42


16
Bulgarian
14.62


17
East_Sicilian
14.78


18
Romanian
15.27


19
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
15.41


20

South_Italian
15.8


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


#

Primary Population (source)
Secondary Population (source)
Distance


1

91.2%
North_Italian
+
8.8%
Armenian
@
5.15


2

81.6%
North_Italian
+
18.4%
South_Italian
@
5.22


3

80.3%
North_Italian
+
19.7%
Central_Greek
@
5.27


4

76.7%
North_Italian
+
23.3%
Greek_Thessaly
@
5.31


5

92%
North_Italian
+
8%
Assyrian
@
5.36


6

94%
North_Italian
+
6%
Abhkasian
@
5.39


7

93.5%
North_Italian
+
6.5%
Georgian
@
5.4


8

92.3%
North_Italian
+
7.7%
Georgian_Jewish
@
5.4


9

82.5%
North_Italian
+
17.5%
East_Sicilian
@
5.49


10

79%
North_Italian
+
21%
Italian_Abruzzo
@
5.5


11

90.7%
North_Italian
+
9.3%
Cyprian
@
5.5


12

57.4%
North_Italian
+
42.6%
Tuscan
@
5.52


13

93.1%
North_Italian
+
6.9%
Kurdish_Jewish
@
5.52


14

93.2%
North_Italian
+
6.8%
Iranian_Jewish
@
5.56


15

93.1%
North_Italian
+
6.9%
Lebanese_Druze
@
5.58


16

93.1%
North_Italian
+
6.9%
Kurdish
@
5.58


17

91.5%
North_Italian
+
8.5%
Turkish
@
5.58


18

54.7%
Spanish_Cataluna
+
45.3%
South_Italian
@
5.61


19

93.3%
North_Italian
+
6.7%
Lebanese_Christian
@
5.63


20

81.8%
North_Italian
+
18.2%
Greek
@
5.64







HarappaWorld Oracle results:

Population



S-Indian
0.77


Baloch
5.20


Caucasian
26.41


NE-Euro
27.70


SE-Asian
-


Siberian
-


NE-Asian
-


Papuan
0.30


American
-


Beringian
-


Mediterranean
33.56


SW-Asian
5.88


San
0.10


E-African
-


Pygmy
0.10


W-African
-


below are my fathers results using same program ..........since you are from provincia Padoa , I thought he might have some affinity since a one maternal ancestor came from piombino dese
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 22.21
2 North_Sea 19.89
3 West_Med 18.1
4 East_Med 13.6
5 Baltic 10.24
6 West_Asian 6.35
7 Eastern_Euro 4.2
8 Red_Sea 3.42
9 South_Asian 0.95
10 Northeast_African 0.4
11 Southeast_Asian 0.38
12 Oceanian 0.25
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 5.4
2 Portuguese 8.08
3 Spanish_Galicia 8.1
4 Spanish_Cataluna 8.82
5 Spanish_Extremadura 8.96
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.21
7 Tuscan 9.45
8 Spanish_Murcia 9.46
9 French 10.46
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.17
11 Spanish_Valencia 11.27
12 Serbian 11.34
13 Romanian 11.7
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.25
15 Bulgarian 12.55
16 Spanish_Cantabria 12.73
17 Southwest_French 13.64
18 Greek_Thessaly 13.68
19 Spanish_Aragon 13.99
20 South_Dutch 14.4
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76% North_Italian + 24% Hungarian @ 2.07
2 77.2% North_Italian + 22.8% East_German @ 2.34
3 84.7% North_Italian + 15.3% Finnish @ 2.4
4 86.4% North_Italian + 13.6% Estonian @ 2.42
5 61.4% Spanish_Cataluna + 38.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.42
6 83.4% North_Italian + 16.6% Swedish @ 2.44
7 83.9% North_Italian + 16.1% North_Swedish @ 2.46
8 83.9% North_Italian + 16.1% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.5
9 83.3% North_Italian + 16.7% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.58
10 85.7% North_Italian + 14.3% La_Brana-1 @ 2.66
11 61.6% Spanish_Galicia + 38.4% Bulgarian @ 2.66
12 61.7% Portuguese + 38.3% Bulgarian @ 2.7
13 83.6% North_Italian + 16.4% South_Polish @ 2.72
14 60% Portuguese + 40% Romanian @ 2.75
15 84.1% North_Italian + 15.9% Ukrainian @ 2.76
16 75.5% North_Italian + 24.5% Austrian @ 2.76
17 83.9% North_Italian + 16.1% Norwegian @ 2.8
18 80.9% North_Italian + 19.1% North_German @ 2.81
19 84.9% North_Italian + 15.1% Polish @ 2.82
20 76.8% North_Italian + 23.2% West_German @ 2.84
as for myself numbers ..........they include Tuscan...........must be via my mothers line......her registry ancestor papers only place her line in veneto and friuli
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 25.78
2 West_Med 18.81
3 East_Med 13.91
4 North_Sea 13.36
5 Baltic 9.69
6 West_Asian 8.42
7 Eastern_Euro 7.71
8 Red_Sea 1.27
9 South_Asian 0.77
10 Sub-Saharan 0.16
11 Oceanian 0.12
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6.25
2 Tuscan 9.1

Norditaliano
03-05-18, 06:41
Thank you Sile for sharing, my results in front of your father's results and yours are more from the South.

brick
09-06-19, 20:27
The high percentage of near East is maybe due at the influence of the Republic of Venice? I'm from Veneto

Are you northern Italian from Veneto?

09-06-19, 22:28
It is just the difference of confidence levels for each ancestry. The complete mode is the most interesting.

At present British ancestry in overestimated, but this should be fixed in later versions.

This was my experience. However, I’ve uploaded my data to Gedmatch and use those results as a corrective. Now I just wish I could find two Gedmatch results that match.

I’ve been happy with LivingDNA and am using them to test my wife’s DNA.

Norditaliano
19-12-19, 09:13
Are you northern Italian from Veneto?

Yes brick.

ALBERTINI1970
12-01-20, 05:38
Good evening!!
I'm new here and would like to share my results:Living Dna

Europa (sul)





80,6%




Península Ibérica
36,3%


Sul da Itália
24,7%


Norte da Itália
13,9%


Toscana
3,4%


Sardenha
2,4%





Grã-Bretanha e Irlanda
19,3%




East Anglia
7,5%


Sudeste da Inglaterra
5,1%


Noroeste da Escócia
2,5%


Centro-sul da Inglaterra
1,5%


Irlanda
1,4%


Aberdeenshire
1,4%




MyHeritage


Europa
93.3%



Sul da Europa
63.8%

Italiano
29.2%


Ibérico
26.3%


Grego e sul-italiano
8.3%




Norte da Europa e Europa Ocidental
17.5%

Irlandês, escocês e galês
17.5%




Europa Oriental
7.8%

Balcânico
7.8%




Judeu asquenazita
4.2%

Judeu asquenazita
4.2%






África
6.7%



Norte da África
5.9%

Norte-africano
5.9%




África Ocidental
0.8%

Nigeriano
0.8%






Europa
93.3%



Sul da Europa
63.8%

Italiano
29.2%


Ibérico
26.3%


Grego e sul-italiano
8.3%




Norte da Europa e Europa Ocidental
17.5%

Irlandês, escocês e galês
17.5%




Europa Oriental
7.8%

Balcânico
7.8%




Judeu asquenazita
4.2%

Judeu asquenazita
4.2%






África
6.7%



Norte da África
5.9%

Norte-africano
5.9%




África Ocidental
0.8%

Nigeriano
0.8%






I believe this Nigerian result is some noise...

Angela
12-01-20, 20:31
Living Dna is absolutely terrible, and is struggling to stay afloat.

Don't rely on their results.

P.S. If you think you're a Celt, you haven't been paying attention to the academic papers.

ALBERTINI1970
12-01-20, 21:29
Angela, what would be your diagnosis for the results ??? I am grandson of Italians (Veneto) by father and grandson of Spanish (Galicia) by mother ...

Angela
12-01-20, 21:37
Angela, what would be your diagnosis for the results ??? I am grandson of Italians (Veneto) by father and grandson of Spanish (Galicia) by mother ...

Given the "relative" closeness of Spaniards and Northern Italians, that "Iberian" result is suspect. It probably includes part of your "Veneto" ancestry.

Can you upload your raw data to gedmatch? If you can, do it, and see what the calculators show you.

Once you've done that, input your coordinates for the various calculators into the Vahaduo calculator (which has a dedicated thread) and see what that shows in terms of ancients. All of that is free.

bigsnake49
12-01-20, 22:09
LivingDNA raw results are pretty close to Ancestry DNA results. Admixture results however are strange so follow Angela's advice and upload them to Gedmatch or another of the other online free services. You can also download Admixture Studio from dnagenics.com.

torzio
12-01-20, 23:09
Angela, what would be your diagnosis for the results ??? I am grandson of Italians (Veneto) by father and grandson of Spanish (Galicia) by mother ...

is you ancestor
OLIVO ALBERTIN who married Cattarina Ferro 1823-1879 at Cavazere ?

had a son Pierro Antonio Giuseppe ALBERTIN 1853-1921 married Domenica Crepaldi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavarzere

ALBERTINI1970
13-01-20, 03:35
Yes Torzio!!!
Olivo was my great-grandfather and Pietro my great-grandfather ...
Do you know this family from Cavarzere ??

Yuxx
13-01-20, 19:27
Hi Angela, I've the opposite problem. I'm half spanish frommother's side and when i go to gedmatch north italian is my biggest or second biggest match. On 23and me v5 i've only 0,6% italian but with v4 i had something like 7% italian. what do you think about it? it's very confusing for me :D. thx

Angela
13-01-20, 20:22
Hi Angela, I've the opposite problem. I'm half spanish frommother's side and when i go to gedmatch north italian is my biggest or second biggest match. On 23and me v5 i've only 0,6% italian but with v4 i had something like 7% italian. what do you think about it? it's very confusing for me :D. thx

In general terms, Italy is "Central" Mediterranean, in between "West Mediterranean" people like the Iberians, and "SE Mediterranean people like Greeks. Albanians aren't all that far from Greeks, so I'm not at all surprised that a half Iberian/half Albanian would come out rather North Italian.

If I'm remembering correctly, Tardis Blue, who is half Neapolitan and half Northern French also comes out as Northern Italian. (Apologies, Tardis Blue, if that isn't correct. :))

In a far more extreme example, if you take someone who is half British and half Chinese they'll show up as Uigher, which is, of course, completely wrong.

You have to know how to interpret these test results.

I feel really sorry for adoptees who follow absolutely incorrect lines of inquiry after testing.

TardisBlue
13-01-20, 21:09
In general terms, Italy is "Central" Mediterranean, in between "West Mediterranean" people like the Iberians, and "SE Mediterranean people like Greeks. Albanians aren't all that far from Greeks, so I'm not at all surprised that a half Iberian/half Albanian would come out rather North Italian.

If I'm remembering correctly, Tardis Blue, who is half Neapolitan and half Northern French also comes out as Northern Italian. (Apologies, Tardis Blue, if that isn't correct. :))

That's absolutely correct Angela :-) Indeed, I invariably come out as Northern Italian in almost all calculators.

Stuvanè
13-01-20, 23:58
I ran the test with Living DNA a couple of years ago, not with my salivary specimen, but by uploading my raw data to their platform. From the results assigned to me, I always had the impression of having a sort of Frankenstein monster, assembled with the averages of North, West, South Europe and the Middle East. Perhaps correct from a mere statistical point of view, but coarse enough to analyze the autosomal of most of the southern Europeans

Your recent ancestry results

Europe
89.8%

Europe (South)

77.6%

North Italy

28.3%

South Italy

20.6%

Tuscany

12.8%

Aegean

8.5%

Iberian Peninsula

5.9%

Sardinia

1.5%

Europe (North and West)

9.9%

Scandinavia

9.9%

Great Britain and Ireland

2.3%

Orkney Islands

2.3%

Near East
10.2%

North Turkey

8.4%

Kurdish

1.8%



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kingjohn
14-01-20, 16:53
Living dna is the only test that give me 12% north italian ....🤔
that should raise some questions ..... (i did the test with my saliva not upload although before they changed there chip )

HYGILI4K
14-01-20, 22:13
Like Stuvanè, I uploaded my raw data to Living DNA. I found it pretty incorrect, considering my background:

Europe (South)
78.3%


Iberian Peninsula
39.6%


North Italy
21.1%


Aegean
15.4%


Sardinia
2.2%


Europe (North and West)
21.7%


France
21.7%

In my situation, the most accurate test was MyHeritage (raw data uploaded from FTDNA), that gave me 54.1% Italian, 42.4% Iberian, 2.1% Ashkenazi Jewish and 1.4% Middle Eastern, which is pretty consistent with my half italian (3/4 venetian and 1/4 south tuscan) and half portuguese (central) ancestry.

Cescut
15-01-20, 20:06
Well, I'm of mixed heritage (more or less in order: southern italian, northern italian, austrian, slovenian, spaniard, english, slovakian ashkenazi, russian tatar) and my LivingDNA results look conceivable:


Europe
96.2%




Europe (South)
62.7%




Iberian Peninsula
21.8%


South Italy
21%


Tuscany
16.3%


Aegean
3.5%





Europe (East)
20.4%




East Balkans
20.4%





Europe (North and West)
13.1%




Scandinavia
13.1%







Asia (Central)
2.2%




Northwest Caucasus
2.2%









Near East
1.6%




Iran
1.6%

kingjohn
15-01-20, 21:28
cescut
nice results :)
but the east balkan look weird to me :thinking:
unless they read your Slovenian or austrian ancestry as the source to it .......
if anything you should have scored west balkan or pannonia instead of the east balkan
regards
adam

p.s
i am telling you this because i myself score east balkan
but my granny was bulgarian so it is logic in my case

Cescut
15-01-20, 22:14
cescut
nice results :)
but the east balkan look weird to me :thinking:
unless they read your Slovenian or austrian ancestry as the source to it .......
if anything you should have scored west balkan or pannonia instead of the east balkan
regards
adam

p.s
i am telling you this because i myself score east balkan
but my granny was bulgarian so it is logic in my case

Yes, I guessed so. I read the "scandinavia" element as germanic and the "east balkan" one as slavic in my case. At the end of the day these labels are just good proxy of a stabilized blend of other elements, as such and being myself a mixed blood I think the results are fine.

kingjohn
15-01-20, 22:35
Yes, I guessed so. I read the "scandinavia" element as germanic and the "east balkan" one as slavic in my case. At the end of the day these labels are just good proxy of a stabilized blend of other elements, as such and being myself a mixed blood I think the results are fine.


yes probably your Slovenian + Slovakian genes are represented here by east balkan
i agree it is the slavic genes that in a mixed heritage person could be expressed this way
kind regards
adam

Yuxx
16-01-20, 12:45
thx angela. it's what I thought without being sure. but i've another question about the same thing and again i don't know how to think about it. in mytrueancestry it's logic that i match with roman samples but i've also deep dive matches...

ALBERTINI1970
16-01-20, 16:14
Hello Torzio, how are you ?? I was curious about your question if I give descendant of Olivo Albertin, Cavarzere ... Are you also a descendant of this family? greetings!!

ALBERTINI1970
16-01-20, 16:27
Angela, I used the Vahaduo tool as suggested and as a result for ancient DNA gave close proximity to the Scythians, Lombards and Iberia Muslin ... For recent DNA gave almost all Spain and Portugal and also all northern Italy and Tuscany .. does this keep me as ítalo celtic or another group ??

torzio
16-01-20, 16:57
Hello Torzio, how are you ?? I was curious about your question if I give descendant of Olivo Albertin, Cavarzere ... Are you also a descendant of this family? greetings!!

I answered your private message

regards

Norditaliano
03-02-20, 16:39
Update of Living DNA results:



Europe
92.8%


Europe (South)


86.5%


North Italy
33.6%

Tuscany
23.6%

South Italy
18.7%

East Iberia
10.6%




Europe (North and West)


6.3%


South Germanic
6.3%






Near East
7.2%


South Caucasus


7.2%

Gabriele Pashaj
03-02-20, 19:43
Those are mine ... really different from the previous ones ... 11787


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Gabriele Pashaj
03-02-20, 19:44
The same happened for my father’s results ... 100% Aegean [emoji85]


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Dibran
04-02-20, 18:07
The same happened for my father’s results ... 100% Aegean [emoji85]


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Me as well. lol. I think Their calc is no different than FTDNA with their generic(100 percent south east europe). That is basically the same thing here. They have promised Balkan regionalization since 2017 and are yet to deliver.

Gabriele Pashaj
04-02-20, 19:13
Me as well. lol. I think Their calc is no different than FTDNA with their generic(100 percent south east europe). That is basically the same thing here. They have promised Balkan regionalization since 2017 and are yet to deliver.

Yes , I totally agree with what you have said


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Salento
10-02-20, 22:42
... my latest, ( ... from Lecce)

https://i.imgur.com/HqptE3Q.jpg



... my 23andme v5 upload is similar to the original Living DNA results above (almost)

HYGILI4K
10-02-20, 23:28
Updated results. Now, my portuguese ancestry is gone and I'm more catalan :thinking::laughing:

And this northwest germanic came out of nothing. Looks like their algorithm is random



Europe
98%


Europe (South)


92.2%



East Iberia
37%


North Italy
34.8%


South Italy
11.7%


Aegean
6.3%


Sardinia
2.3%




Europe (North and West)


5.8%



Northwest Germanic
5.8%






Africa
2%


North Africa


2%

Salento
12-02-20, 17:56
... from LivingDNA @ Facebook

They say:

G. Lorenzo M. 100% Pugliese (95% Salentino),
and Italiano A. Pugliese/Calabrese? (I Think)

G.Lorenzo M. :

https://i.imgur.com/nKGZsDf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1pWKCh3.jpg


Italiano A. :
https://i.imgur.com/ouBqFie.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EnnUaN7.jpg


https://www.facebook.com/groups/252972658442127/?ref=share

Salento
12-02-20, 18:35
Salentino vs Salentino :grin:

Salentino - me :)

https://i.imgur.com/HqptE3Q.jpg


Salentino - G. Lorenzo M. :

https://i.imgur.com/nKGZsDf.jpg

kingjohn
12-02-20, 19:18
Nice salento👍
maybe there reference for south italy from salento? 🤔
if 95% of this guy ancestors from that region and he score 100% south italy🤔

Salento
12-02-20, 19:52
Nice salento
maybe there reference for south italy from salento?
if 95% of this guy ancestors from that region and he score 100% south italy

It's just two results, I thought it was cool to compare myself with another Salentino :)

We need more Salentini results to build a reference.

kingjohn
12-02-20, 19:55
It's just two results, I thought it was cool to compare myself with another Salentino :)

We need more Salentini results to build a reference.

i am curious how much south italy full campanians score from
results you saw ?
above 40% ?

Salento
12-02-20, 20:09
i am curious how much south italy full campanians score from
results you saw ?
above 40% ?


I’m not sure, ... got it (under comments) from the link below:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/252972658442127/?ref=share

kingjohn
13-02-20, 15:25
I’m not sure, ... got it (under comments) from the link below:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/252972658442127/?ref=share


thanks for the link :good_job:
while i don't find a campanian results
i do see a full slav Macedonian woman who score 88% Aegean she is from Skopje
so the aegean here look more like a south balkan component
if i add the north greeks and full albanian results who also score very high of it
regards
adam