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mwauthy
26-04-18, 14:31
Ancestry DNA will be rolling out a new update in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks promising for people who have Ancestry from the old “Europe West” region. The old region is now separated into “Germanic” and “France.” Furthermore, in France there is even a “Basque” region.

Sile
17-06-18, 23:51
How bad was ancestry admixture.....below is my first cousin results
.
Updated Estimate
Italy 37%
Refined from:Europe South 61%
.
France 35%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Germanic Europe 19%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Refined from: Europe South 61%
.
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Decreased by 9%
.
Spain
2% Refined from:
Iberian Peninsula 9%
.
New Ethnicity Estimate
Italy 37%
France 35%
Germanic Europe 19%
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Spain 2%

Migrations
Northern Italy

RVBlake
18-06-18, 13:19
Ancestry DNA will be rolling out a new update in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks promising for people who have Ancestry from the old “Europe West” region. The old region is now separated into “Germanic” and “France.” Furthermore, in France there is even a “Basque” region.
That will be interesting. 25% of my ancestry comes from western/northwestern France, through Canada, yet Ancestry gives me 3% European West. They recently updated my results and informed me that nothing had changed. Is this yet another update?

mwauthy
19-06-18, 18:58
That will be interesting. 25% of my ancestry comes from western/northwestern France, through Canada, yet Ancestry gives me 3% European West. They recently updated my results and informed me that nothing had changed. Is this yet another update?

2-4 weeks was misinformation. It’s been two months and my kits have still not been updated. They updated a random select few so that they could get some feedback. The update is still in beta and who knows when if ever it will be rolled out to everyone. Based on a few updated results it looks like a lot of Northern France is going to stay in the “Great Britain” category. The only difference though is that it’s now named “England and Wales.” Other areas of France look promising though. In the old update most of France south of the Loire River was assigned to “Iberian Peninsula” or “Europe South.”

mwauthy
19-06-18, 19:02
How bad was ancestry admixture.....below is my first cousin results
.
Updated Estimate
Italy 37%
Refined from:Europe South 61%
.
France 35%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Germanic Europe 19%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Refined from: Europe South 61%
.
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Decreased by 9%
.
Spain
2% Refined from:
Iberian Peninsula 9%
.
New Ethnicity Estimate
Italy 37%
France 35%
Germanic Europe 19%
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Spain 2%

Migrations
Northern Italy

The original update was pretty poor for people with ancestry from France. My French Canadian Mom received <1% Europe West and her highest percentage was 32% Iberian Peninsula. Still waiting for the new update to see how her results might have improved.

RVBlake
20-06-18, 12:29
2-4 weeks was misinformation. It’s been two months and my kits have still not been updated. They updated a random select few so that they could get some feedback. The update is still in beta and who knows when if ever it will be rolled out to everyone. Based on a few updated results it looks like a lot of Northern France is going to stay in the “Great Britain” category. The only difference though is that it’s now named “England and Wales.” Other areas of France look promising though. In the old update most of France south of the Loire River was assigned to “Iberian Peninsula” or “Europe South.”
That would explain why my Great Britain percentage is so high, 76%, too much so in my opinion. Looks like that includes all my Norman ancestors.

mwauthy
20-06-18, 17:13
That would explain why my Great Britain percentage is so high, 76%, too much so in my opinion. Looks like that includes all my Norman ancestors.
My French Canadian uncle received 64% Great Britain, 21% Europe South, 10% Iberian Peninsula, and 0% Europe West. Most of his French ancestors from Normandy and Paris got assigned to Great Britain and most of his ancestors from Aunis and Poitiers got assigned to Europe South and the Iberian Peninsula.
Neither my French Canadian Mom nor my Uncle have been updated yet but I figure their Norman and Parisian ancestors will remain in “England and Wales,” and maybe their Aunis and Poitiers ancestors might move to the “France” or “Basque” categories.

My Wallonia Belgian father received 66% Europe West in the old update. It will be interesting to see how that is divided amongst “England and Wales,” “Germanic,” and “France.”

RVBlake
20-06-18, 19:50
My French Canadian uncle received 64% Great Britain, 21% Europe South, 10% Iberian Peninsula, and 0% Europe West. Most of his French ancestors from Normandy and Paris got assigned to Great Britain and most of his ancestors from Aunis and Poitiers got assigned to Europe South and the Iberian Peninsula.
Neither my French Canadian Mom nor my Uncle have been updated yet but I figure their Norman and Parisian ancestors will remain in “England and Wales,” and maybe their Aunis and Poitiers ancestors might move to the “Fran

My Wallonia Belgian father received 66% Europe West in the old update. It will be interesting to see how that is divided amongst “England and Wales,” “Germanic,” and “France.”

I've got a bunch of Acadian ancestors, which means largely Poitou-Charente, so I'd expect to see elevated Southern European levels, but no, only about 3%.

n31014
23-06-18, 22:47
Could someone help me understand my results? I'm Armenian from eastern Turkey and Northwestern Black Sea region. I don't understand my results at all because Europe South is way too high

Caucasus - Armenians (it shows the group I am from ) -60%
Europe South - 24%
Middle East - 15%

I did 23andme as well and the results were 100% West Asian and the dots showed
Armenia
Turkey
Iran

So is ancestrydna the glitch?

n31014
23-06-18, 22:49
Also , are my results going to update?
I'm Armenian from eastern Turkey and Northwestern Black Sea region. I don't understand my results at all because Europe South is way too high

Caucasus - Armenians (it shows the group I am from ) -60%
Europe South - 24%
Middle East - 15%

I did 23andme as well and the results were 100% West Asian and the dots showed
Armenia
Turkey
Iran

So is ancestrydna the glitch?

mwauthy
24-06-18, 17:00
Also , are my results going to update?
I'm Armenian from eastern Turkey and Northwestern Black Sea region. I don't understand my results at all because Europe South is way too high

Caucasus - Armenians (it shows the group I am from ) -60%
Europe South - 24%
Middle East - 15%

I did 23andme as well and the results were 100% West Asian and the dots showed
Armenia
Turkey
Iran

So is ancestrydna the glitch?

I’m just guessing here but I noticed that these companies sometimes assign backwards migration percentages to populations that share similar genes. So someone from Belgium could receive large percentages of Great Britain because the groups that ended up populating Great Britain came from the mainland and are a similar mix. This is backwards in my opinion because an English person is more likely to have ancient continental Belgian influence like with the Belgae Gaulish tribes than a Belgian person to have ancient English influence. So in my opinion it makes more sense to assign an English person “Belgian” percentages than to assign a Belgian “English” percentages.

I think the same think occurred with your “Europe South” percentage. Many Southern Italians score large West Asian or Caucuses percentages because of ancient migrations westward from the Caucasus to Southern Europe. So you share genes with them but once again it is a backwards migration labeling problem to say that your are Europe South when logically it makes more sense that Europe South has West Asian influence.

One thing I’ve noticed about these ethnicity estimates is that they don’t necessarily tell you where your ancestors are from. All they do is tell you which modern reference populations you are similar to and sometimes take some type of Oracle type of extremes to explain the in between mixture someone might be.

I could be completely wrong though lol. Maybe there was some Roman settlement in the area.

AlpineForester
02-08-18, 20:23
Sorry to join this thread so late. I just noticed changes in my father and mother in law's Ancestry.com DNA ethnicity estimates. Obviously it is an update, but my question is why hasn't mine or my wife's or son's been updated? Is it the beta thing mention above and they will update things in time? Just curious if anyone knows. This is my first post here.

mwauthy
06-08-18, 17:45
Sorry to join this thread so late. I just noticed changes in my father and mother in law's Ancestry.com DNA ethnicity estimates. Obviously it is an update, but my question is why hasn't mine or my wife's or son's been updated? Is it the beta thing mention above and they will update things in time? Just curious if anyone knows. This is my first post here.

No official release date has been released and I have not heard of any accounts being updated recently so no one knows when if ever it might be rolled out to all. Even Ancestry customer service reps don’t know and have accounts themselves that are not updated. My friend’s account was updated over 3 months ago so it’s a bit frustrating to still not be updated myself .

The only positive thing I’ve seen is that they fixed the French Canadian problem they had in the old ethnicity estimate. I see French Canadians scoring between 85%-95% France now whereas in the old update someone like my French Canadian uncle received 0% Europe West.

AlpineForester
06-08-18, 18:39
Thanks for your response. I guess waiting is all we can do at this point.

I1a3_Young
20-08-18, 15:59
All of the kits uploaded to my Ancestry account have received the update. For the kits that I "manage," none of them have been updated. I think each owner needs to login to get the update.

Mine is more accurate, dropping off phantom Iberian and correctly placing it in English/Irish. It took my 10% Scandinavian and gave me 3% Norwegian which is accurate as I have 6.5% Norwegian Ancestry on paper.

I have noticed that it is pulling a lot of German results to England/Wales. I know a family that is exactly half Irish and half German and all of them had nearly all of the German pulled to England/Wales by Ancestry.

mwauthy
21-08-18, 23:59
The transition addition worked for my accounts too. I am pleased with the results especially since they added Northwestern to the labeling.

Wallonia Belgian Father:
E,W, and NW: 59%
Germanic: 31%
France: 6%
Ireland/Scotland: 4%

French Canadian Mom:
France: 93%
E,W, and NW: 7%

Me:
E,W, and NW: 50%
France: 50%

bigsnake49
14-09-18, 00:47
Ancestry DNA updated their results for me again:

I have to say that the results look a lot more reasonable.


Before
After


47% Southern Europe
62% Greece and the Balkans


31% Eastern Europe
29% Eastern Europe & Russia


19% Caucasus
6% Caucasus and Turkey



3% Italy



They said the update was due to 13,000 more reference samples and new algorithms.

leperrine
14-09-18, 17:27
This is my results before the update

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41680229_10156651034627378_4847904035681861632_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=71e416ccdd659a70650f7af43e21f46b&oe=5C2A3754

My Results after the update

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41850878_10156651020692378_4666811635908739072_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6d77209ceb8fe624feb64863163303d5&oe=5C222C33

srdceleva
14-09-18, 19:38
Ancestry DNA will be rolling out a new update in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks promising for people who have Ancestry from the old “Europe West” region. The old region is now separated into “Germanic” and “France.” Furthermore, in France there is even a “Basque” region.

Its been months and I havent gotten any update. Is this still a thing?

srdceleva
14-09-18, 20:36
Its been months and I havent gotten any update. Is this still a thing?
lol I checked today and they updated it. Seems acurate I guess.
new update
https://image.ibb.co/jEc3S9/ancestry_dna_update_KAROL.png (https://imgbb.com/)

old results
https://preview.ibb.co/c44NLU/Ethnicity_estimate.png (https://ibb.co/cpdSn9)

Elysium
15-09-18, 10:50
My results were updated a couple of months ago and now finally my parents' results were updated! :satisfied:

Mine:


Sweden
61%


Norway
34%


England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
3%


Finland
2%



Dad:


Sweden
57%


Norway
37%


Finland
6%



Mom:


Sweden
75%


Norway
23%


England,Wales & Northwestern Europe
2%



Better predictions, and matches quite well with my genealogy research. The only thing that doesn't match is the +1% extra of E.,W. & NWE that they couldn't find in my parents results.

mitty
15-09-18, 23:43
My original results were:

Great Britain 93% - Consisting of -

76% Northern England/Yorkshire and the Pennines
17% Scottish Highlands

4% Western Europe
2% Eastern Europe
1% Scandinavian.

Updated results:

Ethnicity Estimate

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 69% - consisting of:

Northern England & the Midlands

Yorkshire & Pennines

Northern England


Ireland and Scotland 31% - consisting of:

Scotland

Scottish Highlands & Eastern Nova Scotia (my grandmother came from the Isle of Lewis, in the outer Hebrides)

These seem to be pretty good estimations, considering that in in my ancestry, going back several generations, I cannot find a single surname that is not of British origin.

Twilight
16-09-18, 08:05
My British percentage is good and the new version captures my Polish 3rd Great Grandmother.
However, I feel like my Ireland and Scottish percentage is too high and French/German is underrepresented. I’m not sure where my 3% Norwegian Percentage came from.

Overall, the new AncestryDNA seems promising :)

Updated:
E, W and NW: 51%
Ireland and Scotland: 36%
East Europe and Russia: 4%
France: 3%
Germanic Europe: 3%
Norway: 3%


Old:
British: 43%
Irish: 21%
Europe West: 13%
Europe East: 9%
Scandinavia: 8%

Salento
04-09-19, 18:59
Unofficial Update:


(subject to changes):

Italy - 75
Greece/Albania - 22
Near East - 3

https://i.imgur.com/FpFAyOC.jpg

Salento
15-11-19, 01:17
Update ...

new AncestryDNA Official Results

(same as unofficial :)

https://i.imgur.com/gMdEwxe.jpg

EDIT:

https://i.imgur.com/HlTgMKP.jpg

... from MTA Ancient ...
https://i.imgur.com/r0rK96v.jpg

... no Salento :(

Jovialis
15-11-19, 02:21
https://i.imgur.com/HFfzhwH.png

https://i.imgur.com/9FY65S5.png

https://i.imgur.com/9lkQiZv.png

Salento
15-11-19, 04:03
Alone, All by itself, :) I guess Salento is the Frontier, no Man’s Land, where West/East S. Europe meet.

Nobody gets Salento, not even the Salentini (me).


https://i.imgur.com/uA2U8dm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KTSo9mf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

https://i.imgur.com/TcVjdWC.jpg

Salento
15-11-19, 04:26
@Jovialis, thanks for sharing :)

Auld Reekie
15-11-19, 11:11
I just received the Ancestry DNA update, looking for an opinion. My background on my father's side is German/British Isles and my mother's it is Italian from Campania/Molise/Lombardy. My previous results were closer to what I thought it should be where my Italy was at 36% and it assigned me to Italy South region. My mother also tested 100% Italy and is assigned Molise and Campania. Her results have changed also. My mother's isn't a drastic change. Her Balkans/Greece make sense being that 75% of her family is from south Italy and the French she gets I'm guessing is from her side in Lombardy. But mine? Almost all of my Italian has disappeared and has been absorbed to another population. I'm thinking because I'm from several populations it's hard to determine what I am confidently with their algorithm but also I've noticed companies do a really lousy job at assigning Italians genetic results (with FTDNA's 17% Sephardic). At least I still have my south Italy region. I would really like to know what people think. I am unable to post our previous results so I'm writing them here to compare with my updated results. My mother's results: 100% Italy, my results: Germanic Europe 39%, Italy 36%, England, Wales & NW Europe 17%, Ireland and Scotland 5%, Norway 3%. Here the updated results:
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Angela
15-11-19, 18:56
^^
When someone is really mixed it can indeed be difficult for these companies to get it right. It winds up that only people with all four grandparents from one place are correctly labeled, and they usually don't need a test to tell them their ancestry. :)

That said, companies should do a better job on people who have 50% ancestry from one place. That's one of the reasons I'm not fond of ancestry.com. It doesn't have a history of doing a good job for those people, in my experience. Have you done 23andme? The people I know who are half Italian, or at least half southern Italian, usually get decent results.

I think ancestry does a really bad job with Northern Italians/Tuscans in general. In my prior version they had me as 45% French and 55% Italian. That's obviously silly, since I know my ancestors have been in certain specific areas of Italy for at least 900-1000 years, and probably much longer than that. If I were adopted and didn't know my genealogy I could be thinking one of my parents was "actually" French.

Now it has changed. The French has gone down a bit and I gained maybe 5% Greece and Balkans. Still wrong, but whatever...

As you can see, this leaves far Northern Italy and Provence sort of in limbo, like, I might add, Normandy and Brittany and Picardy and Alsace in France as well.

https://i.imgur.com/qIHNNVx.png


When I look for more detail on my supposed "French" ancestry, this is what I see:

https://i.imgur.com/ahATvfV.png


This time the quasi French ancestry takes in a piece of Switzerland, which makes sense, all of Northern Tuscany, and Catalonia as well.

Fwiw, I've been saying for years that I thought that there was a genetic link between Liguria (and northern coastal Toscana), the French Mediterranean Coast, and Catalonia. I've traveled that coast innumerable times, lived for a while in Barcelona, go to Provence every year, and see it in the food, the similarities when people speak in dialect, even in the "look" of the people. Now genetics seems to support that.

Perhaps it goes all the way back to Cardial, then to the Ligures, then the Romans/Greeks. I don't know, but it's there; slightly different proportions, but still there.

To call it "French" is a little much, though.

Interestingly, although ancestry sees me as part French, all my ged match calculator results see my closest populations after Northern Italy and Tuscany either as northern Balkans like the Bulgarians, or Spanish.

Auld Reekie
16-11-19, 16:44
It's just weird though how it had me with higher Italy percentage before and then, poof, disappeared or absorbed into another. I see my Germanic has risen but could it have absorbed so much Italy? I think using national name references is a mistake because it can confuse people, maybe use only regional terms and share which country/countries they're found in and explain why they are connected for example Balkans and Greece being found in Italy. They should explain ancient connections and use ancient migration maps. There is also the pressure for companies I think to dumb-down their explanations for a wider audience and maybe they think, at least with Ancestry, that people only understand simple labels which is unfair if it's true.

Interesting what you said about Northern Tuscany, Liguria, the French Mediterranean and Catalonia. My wife is from North Sardinia which is where I live now and she says the same thing. Here in Sardinia, in the north coast of Gallura and Sassari were settled by Pisans and Genovese colonists. They left their mark everywhere, but especially the dialect, though I reckon that in Gallura it is more of a southern extension of Corsica which is dialect of Tuscan and Sassari is a heavy mix of the ancient dialect of Pisa, Genoa and Catalonian/Spanish plus Logudorese. The west coast also has a lot of Catalan influence as well, like Alghero. I can travel 15 minutes outside this "zone" to a Sardo speaking village and you can see the differences in their faces, especially in Barbagia. Or maybe I have been living here too long. I have a hunch that there was a major migration, or migrations of neolithic, copper and bronze age peoples who travelled from north Italy, some south to Tuscany, then hopscotched to Corsica and Sardiana, the others west through Liguria all the way to Catalonia. I personally think that one migration, maybe in the bronze age were the parents of the Nuragic people, first coming from the north of Italy, then colonised Corsica and then over into Gallura, then dispersed throughout the rest of the island. Then of course in the middle ages the same migration patterns persisted. I could go on and on about this. I'll try to discuss this more at length on a separate thread.

Angela
16-11-19, 18:28
It's just weird though how it had me with higher Italy percentage before and then, poof, disappeared or absorbed into another. I see my Germanic has risen but could it have absorbed so much Italy? I think using national name references is a mistake because it can confuse people, maybe use only regional terms and share which country/countries they're found in and explain why they are connected for example Balkans and Greece being found in Italy. They should explain ancient connections and use ancient migration maps. There is also the pressure for companies I think to dumb-down their explanations for a wider audience and maybe they think, at least with Ancestry, that people only understand simple labels which is unfair if it's true.

Interesting what you said about Northern Tuscany, Liguria, the French Mediterranean and Catalonia. My wife is from North Sardinia which is where I live now and she says the same thing. Here in Sardinia, in the north coast of Gallura and Sassari were settled by Pisans and Genovese colonists. They left their mark everywhere, but especially the dialect, though I reckon that in Gallura it is more of a southern extension of Corsica which is dialect of Tuscan and Sassari is a heavy mix of the ancient dialect of Pisa, Genoa and Catalonian/Spanish plus Logudorese. The west coast also has a lot of Catalan influence as well, like Alghero. I can travel 15 minutes outside this "zone" to a Sardo speaking village and you can see the differences in their faces, especially in Barbagia. Or maybe I have been living here too long. I have a hunch that there was a major migration, or migrations of neolithic, copper and bronze age peoples who travelled from north Italy, some south to Tuscany, then hopscotched to Corsica and Sardiana, the others west through Liguria all the way to Catalonia. I personally think that one migration, maybe in the bronze age were the parents of the Nuragic people, first coming from the north of Italy, then colonised Corsica and then over into Gallura, then dispersed throughout the rest of the island. Then of course in the middle ages the same migration patterns persisted. I could go on and on about this. I'll try to discuss this more at length on a separate thread.

I completely agree.

They could include Corsica and that slice of northern Sardinia in that graphic of people who are similar.

You see the patterns, the similarities but also the differences precisely because you've lived there.

It's the kind of knowledge that people whose experience is a one week vacation to one or maybe two cities in Italy, where they have no idea anyway of the ancestry of the people they're seeing given the massive internal migrations, can never have.

That's why it's so amusing when they set themselves up as "experts". Some of them, indeed, have never been there at all.

Sardegna is where my Massa Carrara family go to escape the foreign tourists on the Riviera. :) It's so beautiful there, and more "authentic", providing you get away from the glitzy coastal resorts.

Joey37
16-11-19, 23:34
This is mine; my German went up, which makes sense, since my paternal grandfather was half German, and my paternal grandmother about 3/16 to a quarter.11584

Salento
19-11-19, 01:37
On my iPhone, the Ancestry app messed up the spelling for Apulia.

... and I thought I was the only one who couldn’t spell around here! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xRJ5a6f.jpg

torzio
19-11-19, 01:55
On my iPhone, the Ancestry app messed up the spelling for Apulia.

... and I thought I was the only one who couldn’t spell around here! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xRJ5a6f.jpg

latest......the more I look at it the more french I get .....gained 12% french and lost 6% italian.....


Ancestry is a lost cause

Ethnicity EstimateYou're viewing the latest update to your ethnicity estimate.
Learn more about this update.

(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/updates)




France 47% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=France)

Italy 29% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=Italy)

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[URL="https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&branch=12.3.6"]Northern Italy




(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&branch=12.3.6)


Germanic Europe 13% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=Germany)

Greece & the Balkans 7% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=GreeceAlbania)

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=AngloSaxon)

Sardinia 2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=Sardinian)

srdceleva
19-11-19, 01:57
On my iPhone, the Ancestry app messed up the spelling for Apulia.

... and I thought I was the only one who couldn’t spell around here! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xRJ5a6f.jpgThey didn't mess up the spelling they messed up the language Apulien is the region in German.

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Salento
19-11-19, 02:01
They didn't mess up the spelling they messed up the language Apulien is the region in German.


Thanks, that may be so, but everything else is in English :)

torzio
19-11-19, 02:13
Thanks, that may be so, but everything else is in English :)

your more Italian than I in Ancestry................i am just a snail muncher

Salento
19-11-19, 02:53
your more Italian than I in Ancestry................i am just a snail muncher

Italy went from 79 to 75. They increased Greece and the Balkans and I lost Sardinia and Spain.

TardisBlue
19-11-19, 08:46
your more Italian than I in Ancestry................i am just a snail muncher

I never understood that clich. We don't eat more snails (or frog legs) than anybody (I personally hate them).

Angela
19-11-19, 22:13
I never understood that clich�. We don't eat more snails (or frog legs) than anybody (I personally hate them).

Diaspora Italians, along with foreigners who come to Italy and eat only pizza and pasta, another cliche, don't have a full understanding of Italian culture or they'd know that we eat snails as well. So do the Spanish, and for all I know, others. I don't like them myself, even though Ancestry says I'm a mix of Italian and French. :) I like the sauce, but the snail itself has a peculiar flavor for me.

The Italian version:
http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2961661722_a5042f1fa4_o.jpg

I like the French version better if I have to eat them for politeness' sake, because I can just dunk bread in the sauce and disguise that I'm not eating the snails.

The Romans loved them, btw, so we can blame them. :)

https://carolashby.com/snails-cochleas/

"During the late Republic and the Empire, the Romans loved eating snails. Fluvius Hirpinus has been credited with making snails a popular dish shortly before the civil war between Julius Caesar and Pompey (49 BC). While the common people might eat snails gathered in a garden, the elite ate snails raised in special enclosures called choclearia and carefully fattened.Some were fattened with sapa, the honey-like liquid produced by boiling freshly pressed grape juice to reduce it to one third the original volume. The sapa was mixed with flour before feeding to the snails.
Others were fattened with milk, as in the following recipe from Apicius."

Truth be told, I'm sure they were eaten in all countries as a source of protein, before everyone got so squeamish. Some countries kept these old foods, probably because they knew how to make them palatable, like "tripa", cow intestines.:)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hj_8QIjMAio/maxresdefault.jpg

davef
20-11-19, 00:59
I had snails and I loved them!!! Very fun to eat, we need these on the menu more often

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 15:55
Salento, that's pretty good localization of your ancestry!

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 15:56
Mine just got updated. Previous estimate:

Greece & the Balkans 62%
Eastern Europe & Russia 29%
Turkey and the Caucasus 6%
Italy 3%

The new estimate:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

The new estimate is almost the exact opposite of the Living DNA estimate which has Eastern Europe 70% and Aegean ancestry at 27%.

Tutkun Arnaut
20-11-19, 17:12
Diaspora Italians, along with foreigners who come to Italy and eat only pizza and pasta, another cliche, don't have a full understanding of Italian culture or they'd know that we eat snails as well. So do the Spanish, and for all I know, others. I don't like them myself, even though Ancestry says I'm a mix of Italian and French. :) I like the sauce, but the snail itself has a peculiar flavor for me.

The Italian version:
http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2961661722_a5042f1fa4_o.jpg

I like the French version better if I have to eat them for politeness' sake, because I can just dunk bread in the sauce and disguise that I'm not eating the snails.

The Romans loved them, btw, so we can blame them. :)

https://carolashby.com/snails-cochleas/

"During the late Republic and the Empire, the Romans loved eating snails. Fluvius Hirpinus has been credited with making snails a popular dish shortly before the civil war between Julius Caesar and Pompey (49 BC). While the common people might eat snails gathered in a garden, the elite ate snails raised in special enclosures called choclearia and carefully fattened.Some were fattened with sapa, the honey-like liquid produced by boiling freshly pressed grape juice to reduce it to one third the original volume. The sapa was mixed with flour before feeding to the snails.
Others were fattened with milk, as in the following recipe from Apicius."

Truth be told, I'm sure they were eaten in all countries as a source of protein, before everyone got so squeamish. Some countries kept these old foods, probably because they knew how to make them palatable, like "tripa", cow intestines.:)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hj_8QIjMAio/maxresdefault.jpg

the only way I can try snails is for them to be chopped, so it would be hard to tell what is it, and very important, not to be told what I am eating. I tried once breaststroke, I throw the hell right on spot, spoiling the dinner of people who were eating that night.

Jovialis
20-11-19, 17:18
I love snails, we go to pick them right out of the sea at the beach down in Florida. We bring them home, pull them out, clean them, and cook them in a red sauce on pasta.

Salento
20-11-19, 17:42
Salento, that's pretty good localization of your ancestry!

Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg

Angela
20-11-19, 17:48
Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm from the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg

I've never understood why you're not in the Salento, or why it's greyed out, either.

On the other hand, I've never understood how they could have made me almost half French, no offense to the French.

torzio
20-11-19, 17:54
Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg
Was not the dark area Doric lands before the eventual messapic/iapyges pushed them out ?

Salento
20-11-19, 18:10
I've never understood why you're not in the Salento, or why it's greyed out, either.
On the other hand, I've never understood how they could have made me almost half French, no offense to the French.

I’m with the Italians:
https://i.imgur.com/HlTgMKP.jpg

Salento is in limbo, they don't assign it to anyone.

imho The oracle gets confused ’cause of the Italians, the Griko and Albanians all living in the same small area.

https://i.imgur.com/uA2U8dm.jpg

Salento
20-11-19, 18:20
Was not the dark area Doric lands before the eventual messapic/iapyges pushed them out ?

Most of the Griko came in a more recent medieval migration.
and I can see Albania from my window, sometimes lol

Salento
20-11-19, 19:10
I’m with the Italians:

https://i.imgur.com/HlTgMKP.jpg

Salento is in limbo, they don't assign it to anyone.
imho The oracle gets confused ’cause of the Italians, the Griko and Albanians all living in the same small area.

https://i.imgur.com/uA2U8dm.jpg

Came from Rome:


https://youtu.be/dzyCwoqOZ9U


Griko Anthem (kind of it):


https://youtu.be/LW1-XAMi7qE

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 21:33
Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg

So they're off by 50km. Big deal!

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 21:39
I forgot if there was a genetic study of the Griko and the Calabrian Greko people that might shed some light on their genetic ancestry.

Salento
20-11-19, 23:12
So they're off by 50km. Big deal!

I guess ...
it’s close enough.

https://i.imgur.com/UX8bTkV.jpg

Salento
20-11-19, 23:41
Mine just got updated. Previous estimate:

Greece & the Balkans 62%
Eastern Europe & Russia 29%
Turkey and the Caucasus 6%
Italy 3%

The new estimate:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

The new estimate is almost the exact opposite of the Living DNA estimate which has Eastern Europe 70% and Aegean ancestry at 27%.

If you got a regional community, is it correct?

bigsnake49
21-11-19, 00:20
If you got a regional community, is it correct?

It was close to Ancestry and MyHeritage in the old days before the new look if you did the regional option.

I1a3_Young
24-11-19, 01:08
Ancestry released a new ethnicity update this week. For typical white Americans I notice a trend of reporting higher Irish/Scottish than before. Example, raising me from 10% to 23%.

I also notice a trend of overreporting small amounts of Scandinavian in typical US southerners. Some are getting higher than my father who actually has a Norwegian immigrant. There was very little direct Scandinavian immigration into the colonial south and I'm guessing their calculator is picking up Scandinavian sub-pop genes that existed in the UK in the 1600s.

Joey37
27-11-19, 01:21
11632Actually they dialed down my Irish and Scottish-which is virtually all Irish, mmm potatoes-to a more realistic amount, but they got rid of any trace of my Sicilian! Infamia! (I would add a curse in Italian, but Angela probably knows what it means)

Angela
27-11-19, 04:58
11632Actually they dialed down my Irish and Scottish-which is virtually all Irish, mmm potatoes-to a more realistic amount, but they got rid of any trace of my Sicilian! Infamia! (I would add a curse in Italian, but Angela probably knows what it means)

Not if it was Sicilian dialect. I have to get it translated.:) I got all those lovely Neapolitan ballads translated too. I only understood 50-60%. It was more than worth the effort.

dominique_nuit
18-09-20, 08:39
My latest update from Ancestry.com ---> I am basically 1/2 Western Calabrese, 1/4 Southern Irish, 1/4 English (mid-19th c. Yorkshire ancestry plus 17th c. Quaker ancestry)




Southern Italy31% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=ItalyS)
Ireland26% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Ireland)

Munster, Ireland

(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?branch=IRL2018_1.3)


Scotland12% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Scotland)
Northern Italy10% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=ItalyN)
France9% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=France)
Germanic Europe3% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Germany)
Wales3% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Wales)
England & Northwestern Europe2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=England)

Yorkshire & East Midlands, England
(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?branch=GBPLUS2018_4.5.1)

North Yorkshire, East Riding & Lincolnshire (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?community=GBPLUS2018_4.5.1.3)



Greece & Albania2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=GreeceAlbania)
Eastern Europe & Russia2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=EuropeNE)


(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/view-all)My takeaways are that (1) my English heritage is primarily Celtic as opposed to Anglo-Saxon; and (2) my Calabrese heritage must in large measure stem from Italic tribes who moved down the peninsula (judging by the 9% French & 10% Northern Italian results).

However, I am still befuddled by a 2% East Africa result that I scored on National Geographic test, and which I have seen repeated on other calculators (Eurogenes, Dodecad) using my raw data from Ancestry.com ----> therefore, I believe that there must be a very ancient and primordial signal from East Africa that exists in Southern Italy, perhaps going back to pre-Neolithic times

Jovialis
18-09-20, 15:18
Here is my new results after the latest update:

https://i.imgur.com/DJuFMfV.png

Salento
18-09-20, 16:05
https://i.imgur.com/WD42iro.png

AdeoF
18-09-20, 16:49
Here is my update from ancestry.com, Portuguese went down by 20% higher Spanish and also got northern Italian now, cool!
https://i.imgur.com/CrzMaH9l.png

torzio
18-09-20, 20:17
my new one.................I had 43% french and 26% italian in the previous

https://i.postimg.cc/kMw6zWpF/new-ancestry.png (https://postimg.cc/bdDw2S8s)

torzio
18-09-20, 20:23
https://i.imgur.com/WUgtMzE.jpg

Edit

... Messapi ... I guess ...

this
https://www.guidapulia.it/it/news/storia/dauni-peucezi-messapi-i-popoli-dell-antica-iapigia.htm


https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Storia_degli_antichi_popoli_italiani/Capitolo_XVI (https://www.guidapulia.it/it/news/storia/dauni-peucezi-messapi-i-popoli-dell-antica-iapigia.htm)

Salento
18-09-20, 20:45
please delete

Salento
19-09-20, 00:11
Please delete

Palermo Trapani
19-09-20, 02:42
My August 2020 Ancestry Update: My new Ancestry Results are more in line with my NAT GENO results where I get my top 2 Reference populations as 1) Italian and 2) Greek. Prior Ancestry Results were not showing any affinity with Greeks, even though NAT GENO did, MyTrueAncestry list Ancient Romans and Greeks as my top 2 Deep Dive population matches and the Coordinates that Jovialis has been producing for the Dodecad K7 show affinity with the C6 Ancient Roman Sample and Mycenaeans. I guess the 2% Norway is picking up some Norman ancestry, which was showing up in NAT GENO which gave me 7% NW Europe. I think that would be what is showing up here.


https://i.imgur.com/Jei7Oix.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/91FRizk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SBnBCSu.jpg

Salento
19-09-20, 05:45
please delete

bigsnake49
19-09-20, 17:23
This is mine. Here are the previous estimates:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

Wonder why they don't have a more fine grained Balkan breakdown. I keep seeing a 2-5% Baltic/Scandinavian signal in FTDNA and MyHeritage also. There is something there I think.

dominique_nuit
20-09-20, 06:31
[QUOTE=Palermo Trapani;612960\I guess the 2% Norway is picking up some Norman ancestry, which was showing up in NAT GENO which gave me 7% NW Europe. I think that would be what is showing up here [/QUOTE]
I would say that’s a pretty damn certain Norman signal. My mother scored 3% Norway, and she’s half Irish and roughly half Yorkshire English. I’m guessing possible Viking ancestry on both sides of her tree.
But her 3% Norway becomes my more general 3% Germanic Europe a mere generation later.
So I would wager lots of $$$ that your 3% Norway is a very strong Norman signal

bigsnake49
20-09-20, 16:51
My wife's.

Palermo Trapani
20-09-20, 17:57
I would say that’s a pretty damn certain Norman signal. My mother scored 3% Norway, and she’s half Irish and roughly half Yorkshire English. I’m guessing possible Viking ancestry on both sides of her tree.
But her 3% Norway becomes my more general 3% Germanic Europe a mere generation later.
So I would wager lots of $$$ that your 3% Norway is a very strong Norman signal

dominique_nuit: Thanks for the post. The Normans being a source of that signal was the most logical explanation to me so thanks for the corroboration.

dominique_nuit
20-09-20, 19:26
Not sure I’d call it my “corroboration.” More like my 2 cents! I read Eupedia on fairly regular basis, but rarely have anything insightful to say about the studies (and therefore rarely comment). However, you strike me as one of the best new posters here, especially on Italian matters (which are the threads I generally read for obvious reasons).

Palermo Trapani
20-09-20, 22:02
Not sure I’d call it my “corroboration.” More like my 2 cents! I read Eupedia on fairly regular basis, but rarely have anything insightful to say about the studies (and therefore rarely comment). However, you strike me as one of the best new posters here, especially on Italian matters (which are the threads I generally read for obvious reasons).

Well I meant you corroborated my hypothesis. I think the only way to no for sure is for some DNA samples from from the period when the Normans ruled the Kingdom of Two Sicilies/Kingdom of Naples and see what the DNA signals look like. Everything South of Rome, including Abbruzzo was united, maybe parts of Molise. Pretty much from 1090 to 1190, South Italy was ruled by the King who was Norman, this occurred when the Norman Duke of Apulia united with William of Sicily, also a Norman. Here is a map of the Kingdom of Sicily at its peak power under Roger II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy#/media/File:Kingdom_of_Sicily_1154.svg

Oh and thanks for appreciating me as a new poster. Much appreciated.

torzio
22-09-20, 04:05
my new one.................I had 43% french and 26% italian in the previous

https://i.postimg.cc/kMw6zWpF/new-ancestry.png (https://postimg.cc/bdDw2S8s)


interesting..................clicking on each noted area , gives me my closest matches

for North Italy it has surnames ....Torresan and Stangherlin.......both distant relatives !!!

christa
22-09-20, 17:20
I think new Ancestry update is similiar to new Ftdna update.
Today Ftdna update my profile. My new 3.0 is :
Europe 98%
Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula 66%
Greece & Balkans 30%
Malta & Sicily 2%
Middle East 2%
Middle East
Southern Levant <1%
Sephardic Jewish <1%

Instead my previous Ftdna 2.0 was 94%
Southest Europe and 4% West and Central Europe.


I have also another Ftdna profile with my 23andme v5 chip transferred. Italian became 62% and Greece and balkans 35%.

Angela
26-09-20, 21:49
My new ancestry dna results: quite impressive and specific, I think; they got it right down to Parma (Emilia)region and Apennines mountains south of it and a strip of the northern Lunigiana. I'm sorry not to see eastern Liguria, but that may be very similar to the Lunigiana anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/t9yOWBh.png

https://i.imgur.com/E0Fpg8F.png

The French map is interesting to me: it's not Provence, the province closest to Italy and my favorite, but what looks like Languedoc/Occitaine/Auvergne/ Limousin, and Poitou? I'll have to do more exploring there. :) I've always wanted to see Poitiers in particular, and the royal tombs at the Abbey. It may be that Provence is too "southern" and/or Greek like.

https://i.imgur.com/41DAPu2.png

As for my small Spanish part, it looks like a central strip of Cantabria, eastern Castile and Leon,western Castilla La Mancha, Murcia, and Andalucia. It includes some of my absolutely favorite Spanish cities: Segovia, Toledo, and Burgos. I don't know the south as well. The only city I saw was Seville. I don't know if that's included.

https://i.imgur.com/lffxtWV.png

Regio X
27-09-20, 04:59
My new ancestry dna results: quite impressive and specific, I think; they got it right down to Parma (Emilia)region and Apennines mountains south of it and a strip of the northern Lunigiana. I'm sorry not to see eastern Liguria, but that may be very similar to the Lunigiana anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/t9yOWBh.png

https://i.imgur.com/E0Fpg8F.png

The French map is interesting to me: it's not Provence, the province closest to Italy and my favorite, but what looks like Languedoc/Occitaine/Auvergne/ Limousin, and Poitou? I'll have to do more exploring there. :) I've always wanted to see Poitiers in particular, and the royal tombs at the Abbey. It may be that Provence is too "southern" and/or Greek like.

https://i.imgur.com/41DAPu2.png

As for my small Spanish part, it looks like a central strip of Cantabria, eastern Castile and Leon,western Castilla La Mancha, Murcia, and Andalucia. It includes some of my absolutely favorite Spanish cities: Segovia, Toledo, and Burgos. I don't know the south as well. The only city I saw was Seville. I don't know if that's included.

https://i.imgur.com/lffxtWV.pngNow, that's what I'm talking about. Given your results and also torzio's, it seems a good (more accurate) calculator, at least for North Italians. It's about time! A fellow Friulano also scores almost 80% for Northern Italy plus Northeast Italy. Really great!