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mwauthy
26-04-18, 14:31
Ancestry DNA will be rolling out a new update in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks promising for people who have Ancestry from the old “Europe West” region. The old region is now separated into “Germanic” and “France.” Furthermore, in France there is even a “Basque” region.

Sile
17-06-18, 23:51
How bad was ancestry admixture.....below is my first cousin results
.
Updated Estimate
Italy 37%
Refined from:Europe South 61%
.
France 35%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Germanic Europe 19%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Refined from: Europe South 61%
.
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Decreased by 9%
.
Spain
2% Refined from:
Iberian Peninsula 9%
.
New Ethnicity Estimate
Italy 37%
France 35%
Germanic Europe 19%
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Spain 2%

Migrations
Northern Italy

RVBlake
18-06-18, 13:19
Ancestry DNA will be rolling out a new update in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks promising for people who have Ancestry from the old “Europe West” region. The old region is now separated into “Germanic” and “France.” Furthermore, in France there is even a “Basque” region.
That will be interesting. 25% of my ancestry comes from western/northwestern France, through Canada, yet Ancestry gives me 3% European West. They recently updated my results and informed me that nothing had changed. Is this yet another update?

mwauthy
19-06-18, 18:58
That will be interesting. 25% of my ancestry comes from western/northwestern France, through Canada, yet Ancestry gives me 3% European West. They recently updated my results and informed me that nothing had changed. Is this yet another update?

2-4 weeks was misinformation. It’s been two months and my kits have still not been updated. They updated a random select few so that they could get some feedback. The update is still in beta and who knows when if ever it will be rolled out to everyone. Based on a few updated results it looks like a lot of Northern France is going to stay in the “Great Britain” category. The only difference though is that it’s now named “England and Wales.” Other areas of France look promising though. In the old update most of France south of the Loire River was assigned to “Iberian Peninsula” or “Europe South.”

mwauthy
19-06-18, 19:02
How bad was ancestry admixture.....below is my first cousin results
.
Updated Estimate
Italy 37%
Refined from:Europe South 61%
.
France 35%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Germanic Europe 19%
Refined from:Europe West 9%
.
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Refined from: Europe South 61%
.
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Decreased by 9%
.
Spain
2% Refined from:
Iberian Peninsula 9%
.
New Ethnicity Estimate
Italy 37%
France 35%
Germanic Europe 19%
Greece and the Balkans 5%
Ireland and Scotland 2%
Spain 2%

Migrations
Northern Italy

The original update was pretty poor for people with ancestry from France. My French Canadian Mom received <1% Europe West and her highest percentage was 32% Iberian Peninsula. Still waiting for the new update to see how her results might have improved.

RVBlake
20-06-18, 12:29
2-4 weeks was misinformation. It’s been two months and my kits have still not been updated. They updated a random select few so that they could get some feedback. The update is still in beta and who knows when if ever it will be rolled out to everyone. Based on a few updated results it looks like a lot of Northern France is going to stay in the “Great Britain” category. The only difference though is that it’s now named “England and Wales.” Other areas of France look promising though. In the old update most of France south of the Loire River was assigned to “Iberian Peninsula” or “Europe South.”
That would explain why my Great Britain percentage is so high, 76%, too much so in my opinion. Looks like that includes all my Norman ancestors.

mwauthy
20-06-18, 17:13
That would explain why my Great Britain percentage is so high, 76%, too much so in my opinion. Looks like that includes all my Norman ancestors.
My French Canadian uncle received 64% Great Britain, 21% Europe South, 10% Iberian Peninsula, and 0% Europe West. Most of his French ancestors from Normandy and Paris got assigned to Great Britain and most of his ancestors from Aunis and Poitiers got assigned to Europe South and the Iberian Peninsula.
Neither my French Canadian Mom nor my Uncle have been updated yet but I figure their Norman and Parisian ancestors will remain in “England and Wales,” and maybe their Aunis and Poitiers ancestors might move to the “France” or “Basque” categories.

My Wallonia Belgian father received 66% Europe West in the old update. It will be interesting to see how that is divided amongst “England and Wales,” “Germanic,” and “France.”

RVBlake
20-06-18, 19:50
My French Canadian uncle received 64% Great Britain, 21% Europe South, 10% Iberian Peninsula, and 0% Europe West. Most of his French ancestors from Normandy and Paris got assigned to Great Britain and most of his ancestors from Aunis and Poitiers got assigned to Europe South and the Iberian Peninsula.
Neither my French Canadian Mom nor my Uncle have been updated yet but I figure their Norman and Parisian ancestors will remain in “England and Wales,” and maybe their Aunis and Poitiers ancestors might move to the “Fran

My Wallonia Belgian father received 66% Europe West in the old update. It will be interesting to see how that is divided amongst “England and Wales,” “Germanic,” and “France.”

I've got a bunch of Acadian ancestors, which means largely Poitou-Charente, so I'd expect to see elevated Southern European levels, but no, only about 3%.

n31014
23-06-18, 22:47
Could someone help me understand my results? I'm Armenian from eastern Turkey and Northwestern Black Sea region. I don't understand my results at all because Europe South is way too high

Caucasus - Armenians (it shows the group I am from ) -60%
Europe South - 24%
Middle East - 15%

I did 23andme as well and the results were 100% West Asian and the dots showed
Armenia
Turkey
Iran

So is ancestrydna the glitch?

n31014
23-06-18, 22:49
Also , are my results going to update?
I'm Armenian from eastern Turkey and Northwestern Black Sea region. I don't understand my results at all because Europe South is way too high

Caucasus - Armenians (it shows the group I am from ) -60%
Europe South - 24%
Middle East - 15%

I did 23andme as well and the results were 100% West Asian and the dots showed
Armenia
Turkey
Iran

So is ancestrydna the glitch?

mwauthy
24-06-18, 17:00
Also , are my results going to update?
I'm Armenian from eastern Turkey and Northwestern Black Sea region. I don't understand my results at all because Europe South is way too high

Caucasus - Armenians (it shows the group I am from ) -60%
Europe South - 24%
Middle East - 15%

I did 23andme as well and the results were 100% West Asian and the dots showed
Armenia
Turkey
Iran

So is ancestrydna the glitch?

I’m just guessing here but I noticed that these companies sometimes assign backwards migration percentages to populations that share similar genes. So someone from Belgium could receive large percentages of Great Britain because the groups that ended up populating Great Britain came from the mainland and are a similar mix. This is backwards in my opinion because an English person is more likely to have ancient continental Belgian influence like with the Belgae Gaulish tribes than a Belgian person to have ancient English influence. So in my opinion it makes more sense to assign an English person “Belgian” percentages than to assign a Belgian “English” percentages.

I think the same think occurred with your “Europe South” percentage. Many Southern Italians score large West Asian or Caucuses percentages because of ancient migrations westward from the Caucasus to Southern Europe. So you share genes with them but once again it is a backwards migration labeling problem to say that your are Europe South when logically it makes more sense that Europe South has West Asian influence.

One thing I’ve noticed about these ethnicity estimates is that they don’t necessarily tell you where your ancestors are from. All they do is tell you which modern reference populations you are similar to and sometimes take some type of Oracle type of extremes to explain the in between mixture someone might be.

I could be completely wrong though lol. Maybe there was some Roman settlement in the area.

AlpineForester
02-08-18, 20:23
Sorry to join this thread so late. I just noticed changes in my father and mother in law's Ancestry.com DNA ethnicity estimates. Obviously it is an update, but my question is why hasn't mine or my wife's or son's been updated? Is it the beta thing mention above and they will update things in time? Just curious if anyone knows. This is my first post here.

mwauthy
06-08-18, 17:45
Sorry to join this thread so late. I just noticed changes in my father and mother in law's Ancestry.com DNA ethnicity estimates. Obviously it is an update, but my question is why hasn't mine or my wife's or son's been updated? Is it the beta thing mention above and they will update things in time? Just curious if anyone knows. This is my first post here.

No official release date has been released and I have not heard of any accounts being updated recently so no one knows when if ever it might be rolled out to all. Even Ancestry customer service reps don’t know and have accounts themselves that are not updated. My friend’s account was updated over 3 months ago so it’s a bit frustrating to still not be updated myself .

The only positive thing I’ve seen is that they fixed the French Canadian problem they had in the old ethnicity estimate. I see French Canadians scoring between 85%-95% France now whereas in the old update someone like my French Canadian uncle received 0% Europe West.

AlpineForester
06-08-18, 18:39
Thanks for your response. I guess waiting is all we can do at this point.

I1a3_Young
20-08-18, 15:59
All of the kits uploaded to my Ancestry account have received the update. For the kits that I "manage," none of them have been updated. I think each owner needs to login to get the update.

Mine is more accurate, dropping off phantom Iberian and correctly placing it in English/Irish. It took my 10% Scandinavian and gave me 3% Norwegian which is accurate as I have 6.5% Norwegian Ancestry on paper.

I have noticed that it is pulling a lot of German results to England/Wales. I know a family that is exactly half Irish and half German and all of them had nearly all of the German pulled to England/Wales by Ancestry.

mwauthy
21-08-18, 23:59
The transition addition worked for my accounts too. I am pleased with the results especially since they added Northwestern to the labeling.

Wallonia Belgian Father:
E,W, and NW: 59%
Germanic: 31%
France: 6%
Ireland/Scotland: 4%

French Canadian Mom:
France: 93%
E,W, and NW: 7%

Me:
E,W, and NW: 50%
France: 50%

bigsnake49
14-09-18, 00:47
Ancestry DNA updated their results for me again:

I have to say that the results look a lot more reasonable.


Before
After


47% Southern Europe
62% Greece and the Balkans


31% Eastern Europe
29% Eastern Europe & Russia


19% Caucasus
6% Caucasus and Turkey



3% Italy



They said the update was due to 13,000 more reference samples and new algorithms.

leperrine
14-09-18, 17:27
This is my results before the update

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41680229_10156651034627378_4847904035681861632_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=71e416ccdd659a70650f7af43e21f46b&oe=5C2A3754

My Results after the update

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41850878_10156651020692378_4666811635908739072_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=6d77209ceb8fe624feb64863163303d5&oe=5C222C33

srdceleva
14-09-18, 19:38
Ancestry DNA will be rolling out a new update in the next 2-4 weeks. It looks promising for people who have Ancestry from the old “Europe West” region. The old region is now separated into “Germanic” and “France.” Furthermore, in France there is even a “Basque” region.

Its been months and I havent gotten any update. Is this still a thing?

srdceleva
14-09-18, 20:36
Its been months and I havent gotten any update. Is this still a thing?
lol I checked today and they updated it. Seems acurate I guess.
new update
https://image.ibb.co/jEc3S9/ancestry_dna_update_KAROL.png (https://imgbb.com/)

old results
https://preview.ibb.co/c44NLU/Ethnicity_estimate.png (https://ibb.co/cpdSn9)

Elysium
15-09-18, 10:50
My results were updated a couple of months ago and now finally my parents' results were updated! :satisfied:

Mine:


Sweden
61%


Norway
34%


England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
3%


Finland
2%



Dad:


Sweden
57%


Norway
37%


Finland
6%



Mom:


Sweden
75%


Norway
23%


England,Wales & Northwestern Europe
2%



Better predictions, and matches quite well with my genealogy research. The only thing that doesn't match is the +1% extra of E.,W. & NWE that they couldn't find in my parents results.

mitty
15-09-18, 23:43
My original results were:

Great Britain 93% - Consisting of -

76% Northern England/Yorkshire and the Pennines
17% Scottish Highlands

4% Western Europe
2% Eastern Europe
1% Scandinavian.

Updated results:

Ethnicity Estimate

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 69% - consisting of:

Northern England & the Midlands

Yorkshire & Pennines

Northern England


Ireland and Scotland 31% - consisting of:

Scotland

Scottish Highlands & Eastern Nova Scotia (my grandmother came from the Isle of Lewis, in the outer Hebrides)

These seem to be pretty good estimations, considering that in in my ancestry, going back several generations, I cannot find a single surname that is not of British origin.

Twilight
16-09-18, 08:05
My British percentage is good and the new version captures my Polish 3rd Great Grandmother.
However, I feel like my Ireland and Scottish percentage is too high and French/German is underrepresented. I’m not sure where my 3% Norwegian Percentage came from.

Overall, the new AncestryDNA seems promising :)

Updated:
E, W and NW: 51%
Ireland and Scotland: 36%
East Europe and Russia: 4%
France: 3%
Germanic Europe: 3%
Norway: 3%


Old:
British: 43%
Irish: 21%
Europe West: 13%
Europe East: 9%
Scandinavia: 8%

Salento
04-09-19, 18:59
Unofficial Update:


(subject to changes):

Italy - 75
Greece/Albania - 22
Near East - 3

https://i.imgur.com/FpFAyOC.jpg

Salento
15-11-19, 01:17
Update ...

new AncestryDNA Official Results

(same as unofficial :)

https://i.imgur.com/gMdEwxe.jpg

EDIT:

https://i.imgur.com/HlTgMKP.jpg

... from MTA Ancient ...
https://i.imgur.com/r0rK96v.jpg

... no Salento :(

Jovialis
15-11-19, 02:21
https://i.imgur.com/HFfzhwH.png

https://i.imgur.com/9FY65S5.png

https://i.imgur.com/9lkQiZv.png

Salento
15-11-19, 04:03
Alone, All by itself, :) I guess Salento is the Frontier, no Man’s Land, where West/East S. Europe meet.

Nobody gets Salento, not even the Salentini (me).


https://i.imgur.com/uA2U8dm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KTSo9mf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

https://i.imgur.com/TcVjdWC.jpg

Salento
15-11-19, 04:26
@Jovialis, thanks for sharing :)

Auld Reekie
15-11-19, 11:11
I just received the Ancestry DNA update, looking for an opinion. My background on my father's side is German/British Isles and my mother's it is Italian from Campania/Molise/Lombardy. My previous results were closer to what I thought it should be where my Italy was at 36% and it assigned me to Italy South region. My mother also tested 100% Italy and is assigned Molise and Campania. Her results have changed also. My mother's isn't a drastic change. Her Balkans/Greece make sense being that 75% of her family is from south Italy and the French she gets I'm guessing is from her side in Lombardy. But mine? Almost all of my Italian has disappeared and has been absorbed to another population. I'm thinking because I'm from several populations it's hard to determine what I am confidently with their algorithm but also I've noticed companies do a really lousy job at assigning Italians genetic results (with FTDNA's 17% Sephardic). At least I still have my south Italy region. I would really like to know what people think. I am unable to post our previous results so I'm writing them here to compare with my updated results. My mother's results: 100% Italy, my results: Germanic Europe 39%, Italy 36%, England, Wales & NW Europe 17%, Ireland and Scotland 5%, Norway 3%. Here the updated results:
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Angela
15-11-19, 18:56
^^
When someone is really mixed it can indeed be difficult for these companies to get it right. It winds up that only people with all four grandparents from one place are correctly labeled, and they usually don't need a test to tell them their ancestry. :)

That said, companies should do a better job on people who have 50% ancestry from one place. That's one of the reasons I'm not fond of ancestry.com. It doesn't have a history of doing a good job for those people, in my experience. Have you done 23andme? The people I know who are half Italian, or at least half southern Italian, usually get decent results.

I think ancestry does a really bad job with Northern Italians/Tuscans in general. In my prior version they had me as 45% French and 55% Italian. That's obviously silly, since I know my ancestors have been in certain specific areas of Italy for at least 900-1000 years, and probably much longer than that. If I were adopted and didn't know my genealogy I could be thinking one of my parents was "actually" French.

Now it has changed. The French has gone down a bit and I gained maybe 5% Greece and Balkans. Still wrong, but whatever...

As you can see, this leaves far Northern Italy and Provence sort of in limbo, like, I might add, Normandy and Brittany and Picardy and Alsace in France as well.

https://i.imgur.com/qIHNNVx.png


When I look for more detail on my supposed "French" ancestry, this is what I see:

https://i.imgur.com/ahATvfV.png


This time the quasi French ancestry takes in a piece of Switzerland, which makes sense, all of Northern Tuscany, and Catalonia as well.

Fwiw, I've been saying for years that I thought that there was a genetic link between Liguria (and northern coastal Toscana), the French Mediterranean Coast, and Catalonia. I've traveled that coast innumerable times, lived for a while in Barcelona, go to Provence every year, and see it in the food, the similarities when people speak in dialect, even in the "look" of the people. Now genetics seems to support that.

Perhaps it goes all the way back to Cardial, then to the Ligures, then the Romans/Greeks. I don't know, but it's there; slightly different proportions, but still there.

To call it "French" is a little much, though.

Interestingly, although ancestry sees me as part French, all my ged match calculator results see my closest populations after Northern Italy and Tuscany either as northern Balkans like the Bulgarians, or Spanish.

Auld Reekie
16-11-19, 16:44
It's just weird though how it had me with higher Italy percentage before and then, poof, disappeared or absorbed into another. I see my Germanic has risen but could it have absorbed so much Italy? I think using national name references is a mistake because it can confuse people, maybe use only regional terms and share which country/countries they're found in and explain why they are connected for example Balkans and Greece being found in Italy. They should explain ancient connections and use ancient migration maps. There is also the pressure for companies I think to dumb-down their explanations for a wider audience and maybe they think, at least with Ancestry, that people only understand simple labels which is unfair if it's true.

Interesting what you said about Northern Tuscany, Liguria, the French Mediterranean and Catalonia. My wife is from North Sardinia which is where I live now and she says the same thing. Here in Sardinia, in the north coast of Gallura and Sassari were settled by Pisans and Genovese colonists. They left their mark everywhere, but especially the dialect, though I reckon that in Gallura it is more of a southern extension of Corsica which is dialect of Tuscan and Sassari is a heavy mix of the ancient dialect of Pisa, Genoa and Catalonian/Spanish plus Logudorese. The west coast also has a lot of Catalan influence as well, like Alghero. I can travel 15 minutes outside this "zone" to a Sardo speaking village and you can see the differences in their faces, especially in Barbagia. Or maybe I have been living here too long. I have a hunch that there was a major migration, or migrations of neolithic, copper and bronze age peoples who travelled from north Italy, some south to Tuscany, then hopscotched to Corsica and Sardiana, the others west through Liguria all the way to Catalonia. I personally think that one migration, maybe in the bronze age were the parents of the Nuragic people, first coming from the north of Italy, then colonised Corsica and then over into Gallura, then dispersed throughout the rest of the island. Then of course in the middle ages the same migration patterns persisted. I could go on and on about this. I'll try to discuss this more at length on a separate thread.

Angela
16-11-19, 18:28
It's just weird though how it had me with higher Italy percentage before and then, poof, disappeared or absorbed into another. I see my Germanic has risen but could it have absorbed so much Italy? I think using national name references is a mistake because it can confuse people, maybe use only regional terms and share which country/countries they're found in and explain why they are connected for example Balkans and Greece being found in Italy. They should explain ancient connections and use ancient migration maps. There is also the pressure for companies I think to dumb-down their explanations for a wider audience and maybe they think, at least with Ancestry, that people only understand simple labels which is unfair if it's true.

Interesting what you said about Northern Tuscany, Liguria, the French Mediterranean and Catalonia. My wife is from North Sardinia which is where I live now and she says the same thing. Here in Sardinia, in the north coast of Gallura and Sassari were settled by Pisans and Genovese colonists. They left their mark everywhere, but especially the dialect, though I reckon that in Gallura it is more of a southern extension of Corsica which is dialect of Tuscan and Sassari is a heavy mix of the ancient dialect of Pisa, Genoa and Catalonian/Spanish plus Logudorese. The west coast also has a lot of Catalan influence as well, like Alghero. I can travel 15 minutes outside this "zone" to a Sardo speaking village and you can see the differences in their faces, especially in Barbagia. Or maybe I have been living here too long. I have a hunch that there was a major migration, or migrations of neolithic, copper and bronze age peoples who travelled from north Italy, some south to Tuscany, then hopscotched to Corsica and Sardiana, the others west through Liguria all the way to Catalonia. I personally think that one migration, maybe in the bronze age were the parents of the Nuragic people, first coming from the north of Italy, then colonised Corsica and then over into Gallura, then dispersed throughout the rest of the island. Then of course in the middle ages the same migration patterns persisted. I could go on and on about this. I'll try to discuss this more at length on a separate thread.

I completely agree.

They could include Corsica and that slice of northern Sardinia in that graphic of people who are similar.

You see the patterns, the similarities but also the differences precisely because you've lived there.

It's the kind of knowledge that people whose experience is a one week vacation to one or maybe two cities in Italy, where they have no idea anyway of the ancestry of the people they're seeing given the massive internal migrations, can never have.

That's why it's so amusing when they set themselves up as "experts". Some of them, indeed, have never been there at all.

Sardegna is where my Massa Carrara family go to escape the foreign tourists on the Riviera. :) It's so beautiful there, and more "authentic", providing you get away from the glitzy coastal resorts.

Joey37
16-11-19, 23:34
This is mine; my German went up, which makes sense, since my paternal grandfather was half German, and my paternal grandmother about 3/16 to a quarter.11584

Salento
19-11-19, 01:37
On my iPhone, the Ancestry app messed up the spelling for Apulia.

... and I thought I was the only one who couldn’t spell around here! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xRJ5a6f.jpg

torzio
19-11-19, 01:55
On my iPhone, the Ancestry app messed up the spelling for Apulia.

... and I thought I was the only one who couldn’t spell around here! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xRJ5a6f.jpg

latest......the more I look at it the more french I get .....gained 12% french and lost 6% italian.....


Ancestry is a lost cause

Ethnicity EstimateYou're viewing the latest update to your ethnicity estimate.
Learn more about this update.

(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/updates)




France 47% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=France)

Italy 29% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=Italy)

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[URL="https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&branch=12.3.6"]Northern Italy




(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&branch=12.3.6)


Germanic Europe 13% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=Germany)

Greece & the Balkans 7% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=GreeceAlbania)

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=AngloSaxon)

Sardinia 2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/2F43EF09-A1DC-40E8-B229-FED4A3CAE17C/details?o_iid=90600&o_lid=90600&o_sch=Web%20Property&ethnicity=Sardinian)

srdceleva
19-11-19, 01:57
On my iPhone, the Ancestry app messed up the spelling for Apulia.

... and I thought I was the only one who couldn’t spell around here! :)

https://i.imgur.com/xRJ5a6f.jpgThey didn't mess up the spelling they messed up the language Apulien is the region in German.

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Salento
19-11-19, 02:01
They didn't mess up the spelling they messed up the language Apulien is the region in German.


Thanks, that may be so, but everything else is in English :)

torzio
19-11-19, 02:13
Thanks, that may be so, but everything else is in English :)

your more Italian than I in Ancestry................i am just a snail muncher

Salento
19-11-19, 02:53
your more Italian than I in Ancestry................i am just a snail muncher

Italy went from 79 to 75. They increased Greece and the Balkans and I lost Sardinia and Spain.

TardisBlue
19-11-19, 08:46
your more Italian than I in Ancestry................i am just a snail muncher

I never understood that clich. We don't eat more snails (or frog legs) than anybody (I personally hate them).

Angela
19-11-19, 22:13
I never understood that clich�. We don't eat more snails (or frog legs) than anybody (I personally hate them).

Diaspora Italians, along with foreigners who come to Italy and eat only pizza and pasta, another cliche, don't have a full understanding of Italian culture or they'd know that we eat snails as well. So do the Spanish, and for all I know, others. I don't like them myself, even though Ancestry says I'm a mix of Italian and French. :) I like the sauce, but the snail itself has a peculiar flavor for me.

The Italian version:
http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2961661722_a5042f1fa4_o.jpg

I like the French version better if I have to eat them for politeness' sake, because I can just dunk bread in the sauce and disguise that I'm not eating the snails.

The Romans loved them, btw, so we can blame them. :)

https://carolashby.com/snails-cochleas/

"During the late Republic and the Empire, the Romans loved eating snails. Fluvius Hirpinus has been credited with making snails a popular dish shortly before the civil war between Julius Caesar and Pompey (49 BC). While the common people might eat snails gathered in a garden, the elite ate snails raised in special enclosures called choclearia and carefully fattened.Some were fattened with sapa, the honey-like liquid produced by boiling freshly pressed grape juice to reduce it to one third the original volume. The sapa was mixed with flour before feeding to the snails.
Others were fattened with milk, as in the following recipe from Apicius."

Truth be told, I'm sure they were eaten in all countries as a source of protein, before everyone got so squeamish. Some countries kept these old foods, probably because they knew how to make them palatable, like "tripa", cow intestines.:)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hj_8QIjMAio/maxresdefault.jpg

davef
20-11-19, 00:59
I had snails and I loved them!!! Very fun to eat, we need these on the menu more often

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 15:55
Salento, that's pretty good localization of your ancestry!

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 15:56
Mine just got updated. Previous estimate:

Greece & the Balkans 62%
Eastern Europe & Russia 29%
Turkey and the Caucasus 6%
Italy 3%

The new estimate:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

The new estimate is almost the exact opposite of the Living DNA estimate which has Eastern Europe 70% and Aegean ancestry at 27%.

Tutkun Arnaut
20-11-19, 17:12
Diaspora Italians, along with foreigners who come to Italy and eat only pizza and pasta, another cliche, don't have a full understanding of Italian culture or they'd know that we eat snails as well. So do the Spanish, and for all I know, others. I don't like them myself, even though Ancestry says I'm a mix of Italian and French. :) I like the sauce, but the snail itself has a peculiar flavor for me.

The Italian version:
http://bleedingespresso.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2961661722_a5042f1fa4_o.jpg

I like the French version better if I have to eat them for politeness' sake, because I can just dunk bread in the sauce and disguise that I'm not eating the snails.

The Romans loved them, btw, so we can blame them. :)

https://carolashby.com/snails-cochleas/

"During the late Republic and the Empire, the Romans loved eating snails. Fluvius Hirpinus has been credited with making snails a popular dish shortly before the civil war between Julius Caesar and Pompey (49 BC). While the common people might eat snails gathered in a garden, the elite ate snails raised in special enclosures called choclearia and carefully fattened.Some were fattened with sapa, the honey-like liquid produced by boiling freshly pressed grape juice to reduce it to one third the original volume. The sapa was mixed with flour before feeding to the snails.
Others were fattened with milk, as in the following recipe from Apicius."

Truth be told, I'm sure they were eaten in all countries as a source of protein, before everyone got so squeamish. Some countries kept these old foods, probably because they knew how to make them palatable, like "tripa", cow intestines.:)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Hj_8QIjMAio/maxresdefault.jpg

the only way I can try snails is for them to be chopped, so it would be hard to tell what is it, and very important, not to be told what I am eating. I tried once breaststroke, I throw the hell right on spot, spoiling the dinner of people who were eating that night.

Jovialis
20-11-19, 17:18
I love snails, we go to pick them right out of the sea at the beach down in Florida. We bring them home, pull them out, clean them, and cook them in a red sauce on pasta.

Salento
20-11-19, 17:42
Salento, that's pretty good localization of your ancestry!

Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg

Angela
20-11-19, 17:48
Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm from the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg

I've never understood why you're not in the Salento, or why it's greyed out, either.

On the other hand, I've never understood how they could have made me almost half French, no offense to the French.

torzio
20-11-19, 17:54
Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg
Was not the dark area Doric lands before the eventual messapic/iapyges pushed them out ?

Salento
20-11-19, 18:10
I've never understood why you're not in the Salento, or why it's greyed out, either.
On the other hand, I've never understood how they could have made me almost half French, no offense to the French.

I’m with the Italians:
https://i.imgur.com/HlTgMKP.jpg

Salento is in limbo, they don't assign it to anyone.

imho The oracle gets confused ’cause of the Italians, the Griko and Albanians all living in the same small area.

https://i.imgur.com/uA2U8dm.jpg

Salento
20-11-19, 18:20
Was not the dark area Doric lands before the eventual messapic/iapyges pushed them out ?

Most of the Griko came in a more recent medieval migration.
and I can see Albania from my window, sometimes lol

Salento
20-11-19, 19:10
I’m with the Italians:

https://i.imgur.com/HlTgMKP.jpg

Salento is in limbo, they don't assign it to anyone.
imho The oracle gets confused ’cause of the Italians, the Griko and Albanians all living in the same small area.

https://i.imgur.com/uA2U8dm.jpg

Came from Rome:


https://youtu.be/dzyCwoqOZ9U


Griko Anthem (kind of it):


https://youtu.be/LW1-XAMi7qE

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 21:33
Good Localization of my Ancestry? Almost! I'm OK with Puglia, but my roots are in the grayed out area.

Unless you're being sarcastic, lol
https://i.imgur.com/u8eKmgr.png

I compensate my sorrow with the joy of my “Deep Dive” Romans :)
https://i.imgur.com/lZktRyA.jpg

So they're off by 50km. Big deal!

bigsnake49
20-11-19, 21:39
I forgot if there was a genetic study of the Griko and the Calabrian Greko people that might shed some light on their genetic ancestry.

Salento
20-11-19, 23:12
So they're off by 50km. Big deal!

I guess ...
it’s close enough.

https://i.imgur.com/UX8bTkV.jpg

Salento
20-11-19, 23:41
Mine just got updated. Previous estimate:

Greece & the Balkans 62%
Eastern Europe & Russia 29%
Turkey and the Caucasus 6%
Italy 3%

The new estimate:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

The new estimate is almost the exact opposite of the Living DNA estimate which has Eastern Europe 70% and Aegean ancestry at 27%.

If you got a regional community, is it correct?

bigsnake49
21-11-19, 00:20
If you got a regional community, is it correct?

It was close to Ancestry and MyHeritage in the old days before the new look if you did the regional option.

I1a3_Young
24-11-19, 01:08
Ancestry released a new ethnicity update this week. For typical white Americans I notice a trend of reporting higher Irish/Scottish than before. Example, raising me from 10% to 23%.

I also notice a trend of overreporting small amounts of Scandinavian in typical US southerners. Some are getting higher than my father who actually has a Norwegian immigrant. There was very little direct Scandinavian immigration into the colonial south and I'm guessing their calculator is picking up Scandinavian sub-pop genes that existed in the UK in the 1600s.

Joey37
27-11-19, 01:21
11632Actually they dialed down my Irish and Scottish-which is virtually all Irish, mmm potatoes-to a more realistic amount, but they got rid of any trace of my Sicilian! Infamia! (I would add a curse in Italian, but Angela probably knows what it means)

Angela
27-11-19, 04:58
11632Actually they dialed down my Irish and Scottish-which is virtually all Irish, mmm potatoes-to a more realistic amount, but they got rid of any trace of my Sicilian! Infamia! (I would add a curse in Italian, but Angela probably knows what it means)

Not if it was Sicilian dialect. I have to get it translated.:) I got all those lovely Neapolitan ballads translated too. I only understood 50-60%. It was more than worth the effort.

dominique_nuit
18-09-20, 08:39
My latest update from Ancestry.com ---> I am basically 1/2 Western Calabrese, 1/4 Southern Irish, 1/4 English (mid-19th c. Yorkshire ancestry plus 17th c. Quaker ancestry)




Southern Italy31% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=ItalyS)
Ireland26% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Ireland)

Munster, Ireland

(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?branch=IRL2018_1.3)


Scotland12% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Scotland)
Northern Italy10% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=ItalyN)
France9% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=France)
Germanic Europe3% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Germany)
Wales3% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=Wales)
England & Northwestern Europe2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=England)

Yorkshire & East Midlands, England
(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?branch=GBPLUS2018_4.5.1)

North Yorkshire, East Riding & Lincolnshire (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?community=GBPLUS2018_4.5.1.3)



Greece & Albania2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=GreeceAlbania)
Eastern Europe & Russia2% (https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/details?ethnicity=EuropeNE)


(https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/98AC4BBC-6741-4D91-A011-927FC2761226/view-all)My takeaways are that (1) my English heritage is primarily Celtic as opposed to Anglo-Saxon; and (2) my Calabrese heritage must in large measure stem from Italic tribes who moved down the peninsula (judging by the 9% French & 10% Northern Italian results).

However, I am still befuddled by a 2% East Africa result that I scored on National Geographic test, and which I have seen repeated on other calculators (Eurogenes, Dodecad) using my raw data from Ancestry.com ----> therefore, I believe that there must be a very ancient and primordial signal from East Africa that exists in Southern Italy, perhaps going back to pre-Neolithic times

Jovialis
18-09-20, 15:18
Here is my new results after the latest update:

https://i.imgur.com/DJuFMfV.png

Salento
18-09-20, 16:05
https://i.imgur.com/WD42iro.png

AdeoF
18-09-20, 16:49
Here is my update from ancestry.com, Portuguese went down by 20% higher Spanish and also got northern Italian now, cool!
https://i.imgur.com/CrzMaH9l.png

torzio
18-09-20, 20:17
my new one.................I had 43% french and 26% italian in the previous

https://i.postimg.cc/kMw6zWpF/new-ancestry.png (https://postimg.cc/bdDw2S8s)

torzio
18-09-20, 20:23
https://i.imgur.com/WUgtMzE.jpg

Edit

... Messapi ... I guess ...

this
https://www.guidapulia.it/it/news/storia/dauni-peucezi-messapi-i-popoli-dell-antica-iapigia.htm


https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Storia_degli_antichi_popoli_italiani/Capitolo_XVI (https://www.guidapulia.it/it/news/storia/dauni-peucezi-messapi-i-popoli-dell-antica-iapigia.htm)

Salento
18-09-20, 20:45
please delete

Salento
19-09-20, 00:11
Please delete

Palermo Trapani
19-09-20, 02:42
My August 2020 Ancestry Update: My new Ancestry Results are more in line with my NAT GENO results where I get my top 2 Reference populations as 1) Italian and 2) Greek. Prior Ancestry Results were not showing any affinity with Greeks, even though NAT GENO did, MyTrueAncestry list Ancient Romans and Greeks as my top 2 Deep Dive population matches and the Coordinates that Jovialis has been producing for the Dodecad K7 show affinity with the C6 Ancient Roman Sample and Mycenaeans. I guess the 2% Norway is picking up some Norman ancestry, which was showing up in NAT GENO which gave me 7% NW Europe. I think that would be what is showing up here.


https://i.imgur.com/Jei7Oix.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/91FRizk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SBnBCSu.jpg

Salento
19-09-20, 05:45
please delete

bigsnake49
19-09-20, 17:23
This is mine. Here are the previous estimates:
Greece & the Balkans 70%
Eastern Europe & Russia 25%
Turkey and the Caucasus 1%
Italy 2%
Baltics 1%
Malta 1%

Wonder why they don't have a more fine grained Balkan breakdown. I keep seeing a 2-5% Baltic/Scandinavian signal in FTDNA and MyHeritage also. There is something there I think.

dominique_nuit
20-09-20, 06:31
[QUOTE=Palermo Trapani;612960\I guess the 2% Norway is picking up some Norman ancestry, which was showing up in NAT GENO which gave me 7% NW Europe. I think that would be what is showing up here [/QUOTE]
I would say that’s a pretty damn certain Norman signal. My mother scored 3% Norway, and she’s half Irish and roughly half Yorkshire English. I’m guessing possible Viking ancestry on both sides of her tree.
But her 3% Norway becomes my more general 3% Germanic Europe a mere generation later.
So I would wager lots of $$$ that your 3% Norway is a very strong Norman signal

bigsnake49
20-09-20, 16:51
My wife's.

Palermo Trapani
20-09-20, 17:57
I would say that’s a pretty damn certain Norman signal. My mother scored 3% Norway, and she’s half Irish and roughly half Yorkshire English. I’m guessing possible Viking ancestry on both sides of her tree.
But her 3% Norway becomes my more general 3% Germanic Europe a mere generation later.
So I would wager lots of $$$ that your 3% Norway is a very strong Norman signal

dominique_nuit: Thanks for the post. The Normans being a source of that signal was the most logical explanation to me so thanks for the corroboration.

dominique_nuit
20-09-20, 19:26
Not sure I’d call it my “corroboration.” More like my 2 cents! I read Eupedia on fairly regular basis, but rarely have anything insightful to say about the studies (and therefore rarely comment). However, you strike me as one of the best new posters here, especially on Italian matters (which are the threads I generally read for obvious reasons).

Palermo Trapani
20-09-20, 22:02
Not sure I’d call it my “corroboration.” More like my 2 cents! I read Eupedia on fairly regular basis, but rarely have anything insightful to say about the studies (and therefore rarely comment). However, you strike me as one of the best new posters here, especially on Italian matters (which are the threads I generally read for obvious reasons).

Well I meant you corroborated my hypothesis. I think the only way to no for sure is for some DNA samples from from the period when the Normans ruled the Kingdom of Two Sicilies/Kingdom of Naples and see what the DNA signals look like. Everything South of Rome, including Abbruzzo was united, maybe parts of Molise. Pretty much from 1090 to 1190, South Italy was ruled by the King who was Norman, this occurred when the Norman Duke of Apulia united with William of Sicily, also a Norman. Here is a map of the Kingdom of Sicily at its peak power under Roger II

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy#/media/File:Kingdom_of_Sicily_1154.svg

Oh and thanks for appreciating me as a new poster. Much appreciated.

torzio
22-09-20, 04:05
my new one.................I had 43% french and 26% italian in the previous

https://i.postimg.cc/kMw6zWpF/new-ancestry.png (https://postimg.cc/bdDw2S8s)


interesting..................clicking on each noted area , gives me my closest matches

for North Italy it has surnames ....Torresan and Stangherlin.......both distant relatives !!!

christa
22-09-20, 17:20
I think new Ancestry update is similiar to new Ftdna update.
Today Ftdna update my profile. My new 3.0 is :
Europe 98%
Southern Europe
Italian Peninsula 66%
Greece & Balkans 30%
Malta & Sicily 2%
Middle East 2%
Middle East
Southern Levant <1%
Sephardic Jewish <1%

Instead my previous Ftdna 2.0 was 94%
Southest Europe and 4% West and Central Europe.


I have also another Ftdna profile with my 23andme v5 chip transferred. Italian became 62% and Greece and balkans 35%.

Angela
26-09-20, 21:49
My new ancestry dna results: quite impressive and specific, I think; they got it right down to Parma (Emilia)region and Apennines mountains south of it and a strip of the northern Lunigiana. I'm sorry not to see eastern Liguria, but that may be very similar to the Lunigiana anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/t9yOWBh.png

https://i.imgur.com/E0Fpg8F.png

The French map is interesting to me: it's not Provence, the province closest to Italy and my favorite, but what looks like Languedoc/Occitaine/Auvergne/ Limousin, and Poitou? I'll have to do more exploring there. :) I've always wanted to see Poitiers in particular, and the royal tombs at the Abbey. It may be that Provence is too "southern" and/or Greek like.

https://i.imgur.com/41DAPu2.png

As for my small Spanish part, it looks like a central strip of Cantabria, eastern Castile and Leon,western Castilla La Mancha, Murcia, and Andalucia. It includes some of my absolutely favorite Spanish cities: Segovia, Toledo, and Burgos. I don't know the south as well. The only city I saw was Seville. I don't know if that's included.

https://i.imgur.com/lffxtWV.png

Regio X
27-09-20, 04:59
My new ancestry dna results: quite impressive and specific, I think; they got it right down to Parma (Emilia)region and Apennines mountains south of it and a strip of the northern Lunigiana. I'm sorry not to see eastern Liguria, but that may be very similar to the Lunigiana anyway.

https://i.imgur.com/t9yOWBh.png

https://i.imgur.com/E0Fpg8F.png

The French map is interesting to me: it's not Provence, the province closest to Italy and my favorite, but what looks like Languedoc/Occitaine/Auvergne/ Limousin, and Poitou? I'll have to do more exploring there. :) I've always wanted to see Poitiers in particular, and the royal tombs at the Abbey. It may be that Provence is too "southern" and/or Greek like.

https://i.imgur.com/41DAPu2.png

As for my small Spanish part, it looks like a central strip of Cantabria, eastern Castile and Leon,western Castilla La Mancha, Murcia, and Andalucia. It includes some of my absolutely favorite Spanish cities: Segovia, Toledo, and Burgos. I don't know the south as well. The only city I saw was Seville. I don't know if that's included.

https://i.imgur.com/lffxtWV.pngNow, that's what I'm talking about. Given your results and also torzio's, it seems a good (more accurate) calculator, at least for North Italians. It's about time! A fellow Friulano also scores almost 80% for Northern Italy plus Northeast Italy. Really great!

Salento
17-09-21, 23:06
Updated July 2021

… with each update they strip away a piece of Italy from me, I started around 80%, maybe next update it will start going up again :)

https://i.imgur.com/BietPAl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kzJfjMF.jpg

torzio
18-09-21, 00:36
interesting..................clicking on each noted area , gives me my closest matches

for North Italy it has surnames ....Torresan and Stangherlin.......both distant relatives !!!


just got the new admixture

up by 3% from post #77 for north italian


https://i.postimg.cc/kgXfq4xM/ancestry-updated-sept-2021.png (https://postimg.cc/9rKGBc8s)

torzio
18-09-21, 00:37
and with this

https://i.postimg.cc/G2kkkwkS/19-saved.png (https://postimg.cc/HckcgNvQ)

Salento
18-09-21, 04:57
https://i.imgur.com/kzJfjMF.jpg

MyHeritage:

https://i.imgur.com/bsO4D9i.jpg

Salento
18-09-21, 05:46
older (imho better) estimate … 75% Italy … range 71-100%

https://i.imgur.com/Dh7oCM3.jpg

… current 23andme:

https://i.imgur.com/1y18eZQ.jpg

Jovialis
18-09-21, 14:30
https://i.imgur.com/RtpOPHV.png

Here is mine.

Angela
18-09-21, 20:54
Mine. Sad, though, that it's not as accurate at pinpointing Parma and the Lunigiana.

https://i.imgur.com/0goBHEg.png

Palermo Trapani
18-09-21, 21:37
My New Ancestry Updated Results: Last result was 89% South Italy, 9% Greek/Albanian and 2% Norwegian (which I think was either noise or some Normal signal being picked up then). New Results increase my Greek/Albanian along with Aegean to 14%, not surprising, and still is showing the Norman signal of 2% (which might still be noise).

https://i.imgur.com/cQXWaFJ.jpg

Salento
18-09-21, 21:42
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

Palermo Trapani
18-09-21, 21:51
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

Salento: Interesting information.

torzio
18-09-21, 23:10
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean


north-Italians have been in Greek lands since the 13th century

https://www.romeartlover.it/Venezia.html

click on any town on the map for further info

Jovialis
19-09-21, 11:57
Italian Islands of the Aegean:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean

I don't even think it is necessarily due to Northern Italian input into Greek islands. But rather the AncestryDNA algorithm is scrambling the components because there is so much ancient ancestry overlap in the Greek/Balkan/South Italian regions. They all come from the pan-Mediterranean genetic continuum described in Aneli et al 2021, and further supported by Sarno et al 2021, and Olalde et al 2021. You and I are 100% (or at least close to) from Puglia, in the modern sense.


All four of my grandparents come from the same region, and all four of theirs' did as well.

Salento
19-09-21, 14:27
I don't even think it is necessarily due to Northern Italian input into Greek islands. But rather the AncestryDNA algorithm is scrambling the components because there is so much ancient ancestry overlap in the Greek/Balkan/South Italian regions. They all come from the pan-Mediterranean genetic continuum described in Aneli et al 2021, and further supported by Sarno et al 2021, and Olalde et al 2021. You and I are 100% (or at least close to) from Puglia, in the modern sense.


All four of my grandparents come from the same region, and all four of theirs' did as well.

We have no family history of ever coming from anywhere other than Puglia.

All my grandparents and their grandparents were born in the province of Lecce.

… as a kid I remember seeing a land record document (catasto), and it went back a couple of hundred years.

Salento
19-09-21, 16:13
I mixed modern and ancient Dodecad K12b samples (Vahaduo site) and added the sample below (credit to Jovialis, ...S)

… my top ancient range: 820 AD - 1430 AD

top 10:
https://i.imgur.com/E7Q2Bft.gif



ETR001,8.19,0,2.62,0.45,33.92,11.31,0,0,12.02,0,31 .49,0
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.8 7,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13. 94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16. 98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25 ,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53, 15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,1 8.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54, 19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6 ,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23. 93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81, 11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25, 19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.6 6,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18. 73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45 ,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26. 92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0 ,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0 ,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31. 24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36 .4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47, 22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1. 12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0. 02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0, 26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21. 46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36, 28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19. 22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2, 0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.2 5,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27, 1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0 ,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,1 7.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86 ,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24. 24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0. 07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17 .53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54 ,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20. 41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.2 1,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79 ,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19. 04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19. 66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18. 06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0 .21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.9 1,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,1 9.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43, 0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34 .44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28. 11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0, 26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57, 0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38, 29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34, 27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37 ,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1. 99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23. 04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0, 28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0, 14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5. 77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30. 32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28 .74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0 ,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30 .73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3 .07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74 ,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1. 47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25 .77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,2 1.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,2 0.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0 .15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.7 4,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42, 17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04, 28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20. 12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23. 01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,2 1.4,0.48
BRC001_023,0,0,3.47,0,54.97,4.94,0,0.75,9.95,0,24. 98,0.94
BRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18. 99,1.33
BRC003,1.48,0,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0,0,5.74,0,17. 40,0.74
BRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0. 52,16.2,1.1
BRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18. 69,0.51
BRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
BRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
BRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
BRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
BRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
GCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11 .87,0
GCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,1 3.45,0
GCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
GLR001A1,0,1.77,4.40,0,58.27,5.15,0,0,11.05,0.22,1 7.72,1.41
GLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
GLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
LSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.1 1
LSC005A1_013,0,0,2.64,1.84,57.50,6.67,0,0,9.34,0,2 1.45,0.55
LSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
LSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
LSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.0 0,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.0 0,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.0 0,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.9 5,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.0 0,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00 ,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.0 0,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14





https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

Angela
19-09-21, 16:26
I don't even think it is necessarily due to Northern Italian input into Greek islands. But rather the AncestryDNA algorithm is scrambling the components because there is so much ancient ancestry overlap in the Greek/Balkan/South Italian regions. They all come from the pan-Mediterranean genetic continuum described in Aneli et al 2021, and further supported by Sarno et al 2021, and Olalde et al 2021. You and I are 100% (or at least close to) from Puglia, in the modern sense.


All four of my grandparents come from the same region, and all four of theirs' did as well.

That's exactly right. Elite administrators of a ruling power, given their small numbers, are never going to change the autosomal make-up of the colonies. Did the English make Indians English like, even after centuries of rule?

Originally, ancestry had Southern Italy, Greece and Albania as one cluster. They are still operating under that paradigm. It's just that they're giving "precedence" to Greece, so Southern Italians have a lot of "Greek". If they gave "precedence" to Southern Italian, Greeks would have a lot of Southern Italian. Indeed, in some earlier editions, that's exactly what happened: a lot of Greeks found to their surprise that they had a lot of Southern Italian in them.

Una faccia, una razza indeed. :)

http://www.geocities.ws/racial_reality/sicily/pc4.jpg

Dushman
19-09-21, 18:32
With the latest update 2 of my friends went from 2 or 3% to 0% Balkan and 100% Albania and Greece.

What did that 2-3% Balkan mean anyway?

torzio
19-09-21, 18:46
With the latest update 2 of my friends went from 2 or 3% to 0% Balkan and 100% Albania and Greece.

What did that 2-3% Balkan mean anyway?


in AncestryDNA balkans means

The Balkan DNA region ( Croatia and Bosnia/Herzegovina ) is bordered by the Adriatic Sea to the west, countries including Romania and Hungary to the North and the Black Sea to the east. The Balkan Mountain Range (https://www.britannica.com/place/Balkan-Mountains) stretches from near the Timbok River valley near the border that Serbia and Bulgaria share all the way to the beautiful cliffs at Cape Emine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Emine) at the Black Sea.

......................it does not include ashkenazi jews nor Bulgars which came from the north-Caucasus...................it does include slavs

In the past it included Kosovo and Serbia but I am not sure it does in this latest data



But looking at what they gave me for my Balkans ............it has Serbia and Bulgaria ........but does NOT include Kosovo

torzio
19-09-21, 18:50
I mixed modern and ancient Dodecad K12b samples (Vahaduo site) and added the sample below (credit to Jovialis, ...S)

… my top ancient range: 820 AD - 1430 AD

top 10:
https://i.imgur.com/E7Q2Bft.gif



ETR001,8.19,0,2.62,0.45,33.92,11.31,0,0,12.02,0,31 .49,0
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.8 7,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13. 94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16. 98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25 ,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53, 15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,1 8.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54, 19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6 ,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23. 93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81, 11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25, 19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.6 6,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18. 73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45 ,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26. 92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0 ,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0 ,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31. 24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36 .4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47, 22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1. 12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0. 02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0, 26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21. 46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36, 28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19. 22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2, 0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.2 5,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27, 1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0 ,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,1 7.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86 ,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24. 24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0. 07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17 .53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54 ,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20. 41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.2 1,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79 ,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19. 04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19. 66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18. 06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0 .21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.9 1,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,1 9.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43, 0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34 .44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28. 11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0, 26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57, 0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38, 29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34, 27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37 ,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1. 99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23. 04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0, 28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0, 14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5. 77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30. 32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28 .74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0 ,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30 .73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3 .07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74 ,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1. 47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25 .77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,2 1.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,2 0.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0 .15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.7 4,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42, 17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04, 28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20. 12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23. 01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,2 1.4,0.48
BRC001_023,0,0,3.47,0,54.97,4.94,0,0.75,9.95,0,24. 98,0.94
BRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18. 99,1.33
BRC003,1.48,0,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0,0,5.74,0,17. 40,0.74
BRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0. 52,16.2,1.1
BRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18. 69,0.51
BRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
BRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
BRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
BRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
BRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
GCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11 .87,0
GCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,1 3.45,0
GCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
GLR001A1,0,1.77,4.40,0,58.27,5.15,0,0,11.05,0.22,1 7.72,1.41
GLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
GLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
LSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.1 1
LSC005A1_013,0,0,2.64,1.84,57.50,6.67,0,0,9.34,0,2 1.45,0.55
LSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
LSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
LSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.0 0,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.0 0,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.0 0,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.9 5,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.0 0,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00 ,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.0 0,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14





https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/



Distance to:
Torziok12b


5.35530487
VK538_Dod_K12b


7.47945854
CSN005


7.77274083
CSN009


8.85378450
CSN008


9.41315569
ETR007


9.57447649
VET001


9.89305312
MAS001


10.99554455
TAQ006


11.05177814
CAM002


11.17633214
VOL001


11.32613350
TAQ022


11.63097588
CSN006


11.80943267
CSN010


11.86362508
MAS004


11.98595845
TAQ020


12.05735460
POP001


12.13428201
CSN013


12.20780898
TAQ011


12.30322722
BRC002


12.54692393
ETR003


12.64932014
TAQ009


12.85277402
CSN002


13.01492220
TAQ016


13.27414027
CSN001


13.36240248
TAQ015



my results only for your additions



with your total results



Distance to:
Torziok12b


1.89726118
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.40054542

I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


4.63928874
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.65137614
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


4.82277928
Collegno23


4.86300319
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.02880702
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


5.15625833
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


6.00532264
Szolad28


6.35530487
VK538_Dod_K12b


6.41286208
France_IA_NOR3-15


6.56872895
France_IA_ERS88


6.60955369
Collegno49


6.88000000
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


6.93799683
Collegno94


7.28685117
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


7.47945854
CSN005


7.57478052
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.62312272
Collegno57


7.70831369
Collegno36


7.72828571
Collegno47


7.77274083
CSN009


7.79092421
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


7.86207988
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


7.88022842
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Stuvanè
19-09-21, 19:13
I mixed modern and ancient Dodecad K12b samples (Vahaduo site) and added the sample below (credit to Jovialis, ...S)

… my top ancient range: 820 AD - 1430 AD

top 10:
https://i.imgur.com/E7Q2Bft.gif



ETR001,8.19,0,2.62,0.45,33.92,11.31,0,0,12.02,0,31 .49,0
CAM001,1.38,0.19,1.2,0,47.62,24.58,0,0,6.88,0,17.8 7,0.27
CAM002,4.72,0.03,0,1.59,40.47,34.19,0,0,4.64,0,13. 94,0.44
CAM003,0.93,0.04,0.79,0,49.21,23.83,0,0,7,0.18,16. 98,1.04
CSN001,0.74,0,1.6,0.73,46.5,23.83,0,0,7.19,0,19.25 ,0.16
CSN002,0,0.36,0,0,41.12,32.35,0,0,0,0,26.17,0
CSN003,0.97,0.01,2,0,49.14,21.97,1.05,0,7.95,0.53, 15.93,0.45
CSN004,1.49,0,2.17,0.71,51.75,19.41,0.13,0,5.2,0,1 8.21,0.93
CSN005,1.48,0,4.65,0,39.23,28.19,0.65,0,6.11,0.54, 19.16,0
CSN006,3.62,0,0,1.53,45.77,24.02,0.29,0,4.9,0,19.6 ,0.27
CSN007,0,0,0,0.5,50.29,20.45,0,0,10.86,0,17.91,0
CSN008,4.93,0,0,0.4,43.71,27.95,0,0,4.16,0,18.84,0
CSN009,2.52,0,2.03,0,39.86,27.95,0,0,2.52,0.43,23. 93,0.75
CSN010,4.43,0.27,3.49,0,40.36,31.59,0,0,5.33,1.81, 11.48,1.25
CSN012,7.01,0,10.55,0,41.84,29.45,0,0,0,0,11.15,0
CSN013,4.87,0,0.54,0,45.93,21.96,0.41,0,5.92,0.25, 19.55,0.57
ETR003,10.36,0,2.55,0,30.58,19.47,0,0,10.98,0,25.6 6,0.41
ETR004,17.44,0,0,0,19.59,19.63,0,0,11.7,0,31.64,0
ETR005,2,0,0,1.54,45.54,20.52,0.17,0,9.35,1.02,18. 73,1.13
ETR006,3.87,1.22,0,0,39.39,15.01,0,0,12.67,0,26.45 ,1.39
ETR007,5.51,0,2.37,1.28,30.11,25.01,0,0,8.81,0,26. 92,0
ETR010,4.58,0.05,1.08,0.22,37.3,17.15,0.08,0,9.4,0 ,29.53,0.6
ETR012,17.52,1.96,0,0,41.58,12.98,3.45,0.35,5.74,0 ,16.42,0
ETR013,6.64,0.06,1.86,0,35.44,14.98,0,0,9.51,0,31. 24,0.28
ETR014,3.51,0,2.87,0,27.31,14.86,0.51,0,14.53,0,36 .4,0
MAG001,0.84,0,0,0,47.05,24.88,0.37,0.08,3.46,0.47, 22.84,0.02
MAS001,7.2,0.84,4.18,0,26.73,30.23,1.6,0.6,6.25,1. 12,21.08,0.18
MAS002,6.49,1.52,3.63,0,23.56,7.82,0,0.48,18.33,0. 02,38.16,0
MAS003,2.81,0,8.6,1.47,34.71,11.66,0,1.28,11.86,0, 26.84,0.76
MAS004,1.12,0,0.85,0,44.63,29.23,0,0,1.36,1.35,21. 46,0
POP001,4.72,0.15,0.86,0,35.02,19.76,0,0,8.74,1.36, 28.84,0.55
PRZ001,1.55,0.11,0,0,48.41,23.78,0,0,6.08,0.13,19. 22,0.71
PRZ002,0,0,2.6,0.54,47.1,27.43,0,0,4.06,1.06,17.2, 0
TAQ001,2.36,0,4.12,0.57,47.15,23.95,0,0,4.6,0,17.2 5,0
TAQ002,0,0,1.15,0.26,46.51,23.88,0,0,5.81,0,21.27, 1.12
TAQ003,5.6,0,2.14,1.3,29.31,17.09,0.1,0.93,11.36,0 ,31.59,0.58
TAQ004,1.71,0.66,0.95,0.36,48.5,23.89,0,0,5.59,0,1 7.87,0.48
TAQ005,1.39,0.44,5.14,0,46.29,17.75,0.22,0.33,8.86 ,0.41,18.68,0.49
TAQ006,1.18,0,3.59,0,42.96,25.05,0.15,0,2.83,0,24. 24,0
TAQ007,3.25,0.65,8.19,0,33.36,6.55,0.82,0,13.72,0. 07,31.87,1.52
TAQ008,4.27,1.3,0.28,0.84,49.67,21.5,0,0,3.99,0,17 .53,0.63
TAQ009,4.13,0.23,2.43,0.82,33.16,19.69,0.14,0,9.54 ,0,28.81,1.06
TAQ010,0,0,1.32,0.05,48.43,24.81,0.71,0,4.04,0,20. 41,0.24
TAQ011,6.51,0.15,1.38,0.03,33.17,19.02,0,1.09,10.2 1,0,27.5,0.96
TAQ012,3.32,0,1.79,0,51.8,17.96,0.72,0,7.3,0,16.79 ,0.33
TAQ013,2.83,1.64,1.78,0,46.46,21.33,0,0,6.68,0,19. 04,0.23
TAQ015,1.72,0,2.42,0,46.31,21.99,0,0,6.46,0.63,19. 66,0.81
TAQ016,2.43,0,1.67,0,46.91,24.12,0.84,0,5.34,0,18. 06,0.63
TAQ017,4.08,0,1.96,0,48.92,20.11,0,0,5.6,0,19.12,0 .21
TAQ018,0,0,0.47,0,48.53,20.84,0.43,0,6.5,1.43,20.9 1,0.89
TAQ019,0.49,0,2.18,0,47.66,24.5,0.17,0,5.48,0.04,1 9.27,0.21
TAQ020,9.02,0.66,1.49,0.5,34.13,18.73,0.12,0,7.43, 0,27.92,0
TAQ021,3.74,0,2.51,0,33.22,11.47,2.01,0,12.62,0,34 .44,0
TAQ022,5.66,0,2.84,0,34.54,19.74,2.22,0,6.34,0,28. 11,0.54
TAQ023,0.11,0,9.86,0,38.6,11.68,0.88,1.34,10.18,0, 26.04,1.31
TAQ024,1.55,0.2,4.01,0.27,46.92,21.83,0,0.36,4.57, 0,20.29,0
UDC_P,0,0,4.31,0,52.14,29.39,0,0,0.89,0,13.22,0.04
VEN001,5.14,0,3.87,0.01,28.18,17.6,0,0,11.33,2.38, 29.77,1.73
VEN002,2.79,8.01,0,12.59,16.3,9.93,3.89,0.01,6.34, 27.43,12.71,0
VEN005,6.66,0,4.28,1.53,32.55,10.92,0,0,10.86,0.37 ,32.83,0
VEN006,8.51,0.54,5.29,0.22,27.14,16.32,0,0,9.76,1. 99,30.08,0.16
VEN008,4.55,6.58,0,0,36.17,16.54,2.72,0,8.77,0,23. 04,1.63
VEN009,4.96,0,10.9,0.28,29.02,16.26,0,3.03,6.57,0, 28.99,0
VEN010,16.14,0,2.12,1.09,37.1,15.42,0,0.05,13.2,0, 14.88,0
VEN012,2.86,0,1.41,0.17,24.58,14.71,0,1.75,12.7,5. 77,36.03,0.03
VEN013,7.7,0,5.12,0,28.43,14.81,0,0,10.94,1.22,30. 32,1.45
VEN014,12.68,0,5.83,0,33.04,0,0,0.24,17.71,1.35,28 .74,0.42
VEN015,7.16,0,3.85,0.73,28.62,13.96,0.39,0,13.73,0 ,30.9,0.64
VEN016,6.56,0,6.02,0,25.63,16.98,0,0,13.65,0.44,30 .73,0
VEN017,1.13,1.55,0,0.12,32.91,17.47,3.75,0,12.37,3 .07,27.62,0
VEN018,9.33,0,3.69,0,27.33,17.18,0,0,19.59,0,20.74 ,2.14
VEN021,8.65,0,0.51,3.3,17.54,14.06,0,2.43,21.68,1. 47,30.37,0
VEN022,7.04,0,0,5.28,15.13,25.83,0,0.13,20.82,0,25 .77,0
VET001,1.52,0,2.24,1.15,42.15,23.87,0,1.18,6.3,0,2 1.57,0
VET002,0.77,1.24,2.59,0,48.74,18.77,0,0,7.8,0.08,2 0.03,0
VET003_4,1.33,0,2.66,0,47.08,21.2,0.25,0.26,7.04,0 .15,20.03,0
VET005,7.72,0.55,0,0,43.13,37.83,0,1.41,1.61,0,7.7 4,0
VET007,0,0,2.57,0.68,51.02,20.09,0.22,0,6.74,0.42, 17.63,0.63
VET008,0.41,0,8.27,0,38.29,9.06,0,1.75,12.78,0.04, 28.42,0.99
VET010,0,0,4.61,0.76,48.22,21.92,0.27,0,3.53,0,20. 12,0.57
VET011,0,0,6.57,0,51.11,17.17,0,2.72,3.32,0,19.1,0
VEU001,0,0,1.86,2.69,45.76,22.07,0,0.83,3.79,0,23. 01,0
VOL001,0.94,0,1.77,0,44.5,24.66,0.61,0.03,5.61,0,2 1.4,0.48
BRC001_023,0,0,3.47,0,54.97,4.94,0,0.75,9.95,0,24. 98,0.94
BRC002,0.87,0,1.36,0,45.47,25.27,2.32,0,4.39,0,18. 99,1.33
BRC003,1.48,0,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.27,0,0,5.74,0,17. 40,0.74
BRC007_019,3.5,0,1.75,0.58,48.28,18.96,0,0,9.11,0. 52,16.2,1.1
BRC010_018,0,0,5.13,0.5,47.79,19.51,0,0,7.86,0,18. 69,0.51
BRC011,0,0,0,0,37.8,0,0,0,42.9,0,19.29,0
BRC012,0,15.45,0,0,40.8,0,0,0,43.74,0,0,0
BRC013,0,0,6.28,0,57.75,0,0,0,6.97,0,29,0
BRC022,0,0,0,0.94,62.87,3.14,0,0,10.14,0,22.91,0
BRC024,0,0,0,0,52.32,30.37,0,5.35,0,0,10.84,1.12
GCP002A1,2.18,0,3.15,3.26,44.5,29.77,0,0,5.27,0,11 .87,0
GCP003A1,7.58,1.55,0.86,0,49.29,22.95,0,0,4.32,0,1 3.45,0
GCP004A1,22.15,0,0,0,37.5,23.7,6.64,0,10.01,0,0,0
GLR001A1,0,1.77,4.40,0,58.27,5.15,0,0,11.05,0.22,1 7.72,1.41
GLR002A1,0,0,6.65,0,63.81,1.89,0,0,5.79,0,21.86,0
GLR003B1,0,0,9.49,4.97,65.66,0,0,0,0,0,17.94,1.93
LSC002_004,0,0,0,0,62.94,2.45,0,0,6.28,0,26.23,2.1 1
LSC005A1_013,0,0,2.64,1.84,57.50,6.67,0,0,9.34,0,2 1.45,0.55
LSC007A1,0,0,0,0,95.95,0,0,0.6,3.45,0,0,0
LSC011A1,0,0,8.94,0,53.32,7.47,0,0,14.31,0,15.96,0
LSC012A1,0,0,0,0,97.48,0,0,0,0,2.52,0,0
VK534_Dod_K12b,4.06,0.00,3.55,0.35,22.53,17.31,0.0 0,0.85,12.20,1.21,36.33,1.61
VK535_Dod_K12b,8.59,0.00,5.60,1.09,27.21,14.69,0.0 0,0.80,12.43,0.00,28.19,1.39
VK536_Dod_K12b,5.89,1.85,3.79,0.00,32.54,15.84,0.0 0,0.00,8.95,0.00,29.54,1.61
VK537_Dod_K12b,5.21,0.93,4.78,0.00,26.19,16.86,0.9 5,0.70,11.33,0.35,31.41,1.30
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.0 0,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
VK17_Dod_K12b,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0.00 ,0.00,0.06,0.00,3.77,1.58
VK398_Dod_K12b,8.38,2.47,0.53,0.00,35.05,41.08,0.0 0,0.00,0.48,0.00,9.88,2.14





https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/


Here mine :)



Distance to:
Dodecadk12bStuvanè


3.43011662
Szolad31


3.44400929
Szolad36


3.71212877
Collegno36


4.12127407
ETR007


4.21513938
Szolad43


4.22113729
Italian_Romagna


4.64806411
Italian_Tuscany


4.68264882
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


4.97630385
R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro


5.17443717
Italian_Liguria


5.19567128
scy192_Scythian


5.20443080
Italian_Emilia


5.34300477
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


5.53207014
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


5.57919349
Szolad37


5.64705233
scy300_Scythian


5.87326144
Collegno23


5.96436920
TAQ009


6.10509623
Albanian_Kosovo


6.18798836
POP001


6.25171976
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.26295457
Italian_Veneto


6.31981012
TAQ011


6.33497435
Italian_Lazio


6.43351381
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge





Some combos



Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.8724% / 0.87237919 | R2P




74.9
Szolad36





25.1
Italian_Trentino








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.6593% / 0.65925115 | ADC: 0.5x RC




63.1
Szolad36





19.4
Italian_Friuli_VG





17.5
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto








Target: Dodecadk12bStuvanè
Distance: 0.2914% / 0.29143074 | ADC: 0.25x RC




50.4
Szolad36





25.6
Italian_Friuli_VG





11.5
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge





10.4
Macedonian_South





2.1
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto

Palermo Trapani
19-09-21, 19:42
My top 25 distances using Dodecad 12 modern, ancient and additional sample coordinates provided by Jovialis



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani_Combined


2.38784422
VEN015


2.62716577
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.80777492
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.25103061
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.29887860
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


3.56992997
Italian_Campania


3.77608263
Italian_Abruzzo


3.93635618
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


3.98449495
Italian_Sicily


4.04278369
VEN013


4.05677212
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


4.18025119
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.24855269
VEN005


4.25480904
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


4.28794823
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


4.47671755
Szolad40


4.58093877
ETR001


4.58742847
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


4.61280826
TAQ003


4.63776886
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


4.81801826
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.85203050
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.04013889
Collegno121


5.06126466
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


5.06482971
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna





Model Combinations, Restricted to 3 Populations, 2 Populations and Unrestricted, respecively.

Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.6252% / 0.62522306 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.6 VEN015
39.6 Italian_Campania
5.8 MX219_Switzerland_LN



Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.8769% / 0.87689835 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
54.6 VEN015
45.4 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna



Target: PalermoTrapani_Combined
Distance: 0.5470% / 0.54698750 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.8 VEN015
25.5 R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
10.6 R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.6 ETR001
7.0 MAS003
5.4 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
1.1 VEN005

Angela
19-09-21, 19:49
Again, I'm not as "matchy", doubtless because I come from two areas which although close as the bird flies, are different autosomally.

My closest match is once again the French admixed Corsican.



Distance to:
Angela


3.75178624
French_Corsica


5.88072274
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


6.08295159
Italian_Tuscany


6.18401973
Italian_Emilia


6.32650773
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


6.32865705
I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete


6.44030279
R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.46676117
Szolad43


6.53661992
R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


6.62573015
ETR010


6.62653756
Italian_Liguria


6.95926002
TAQ022


7.03668956
I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN


7.04472143
I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


7.09619616
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.14881808
R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


7.44927513
I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge


7.45928281
Italian_Lombardy


7.46848043
POP001


7.67455536
Italian_Romagna


7.88178279
Collegno36


7.98552440
VET001


8.01499844
TAQ006


8.25132717
scy197_Scythian


8.36475343
Szolad28


8.58821285
TAQ020


8.77719773
Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge


8.79924429
VEU001


8.92554760
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


8.94997207
Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.13925599
scy192_Scythian


9.15645128
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.16097156
ETR006


9.17988562
Szolad31


9.20103255
VOL001


9.21016829
Collegno23


9.24135813
TAQ009


9.30224167
R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.38921722
CSN013


9.44201250
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


9.45670661
Italian_Piedmont


9.47997890
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


9.53529758
ETR013


9.53849045
France_IA_ERS88


9.59307563
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


9.59938540
TAQ011


9.59990625
R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


9.68682115
Italian_Marche


9.74779462
R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.74942562
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi




Nice to see I'm not terribly far from Bell Beaker from Parma. I'm pretty sure that's the sample which has very little steppe in it. That correlates with the similar number I get for Neolithic Vucedol from the Balkans. So far as I know the Tuscan sample is northeast of Firenze.

Salento
19-09-21, 20:09
With the latest update 2 of my friends went from 2 or 3% to 0% Balkan and 100% Albania and Greece.

What did that 2-3% Balkan mean anyway?

in my case, (maybe most other Apulians too) is probably traces of some ancestral component that the Iapygians (Dauni, Peuceti, Messapi) shared with the Ancient Populations that inhabited the highlighted locations below:

https://i.imgur.com/Nugmdj5.jpg

Duarte
19-09-21, 21:28
Distance to:










Duarte


5.29496931
Portuguese


5.60963457
Spanish_Canarias


6.29654667
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


6.56048779
Spanish_Castilla-Leon


6.81144625
Spanish_Galicia


6.83142738
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


7.15328596
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


7.27809041
Spanish_Valencia


7.40270896
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.42806839
Spanish_Andalusia


7.51741312
I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.74020026
Spanish_Baleares


7.79453013
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.87062895
Roman-SoldierFN_2


7.96743999
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


7.98827891
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.29628230
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


8.34568751
Spanish_Asturias


8.43749370
Spanish_Catalonia


8.57093927
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


8.65500433
I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


8.79383307
I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


8.85043502
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


8.88155955
Spanish_Aragon


8.99556557
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.14401444
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.16999455
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.25598725
TAQ001


9.45535298
Spanish_Cantabria


9.54338514
I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.68139453
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.70848598
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


9.77754570
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


9.77754570
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


9.78898360
BRC003


9.85898575
France_BA_NIED









Target: Duarte
Distance: 0.5626% / 0.56258759 | ADC: 0.25x RC



31.8
Roman-SoldierFN_2






27.9
I8146_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






18.5
Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge






10.3
I12648_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE






10.1
I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE






0.8
Dai






0.6
I1951_GD39_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic

Dushman
19-09-21, 21:52
in my case, (maybe most other Apulians too) is probably traces of some ancestral component that the Iapygians (Dauni, Peuceti, Messapi) shared with the Ancient Populations that inhabited the highlighted locations below:

https://i.imgur.com/Nugmdj5.jpg
Could be, Im confused by all this autosomal thingy. If these tests can pick up such ancient ancestries from Messapians and Iapygians 3000 years ago, why Albanians dont get 20-40% Ukraine/Belarus from 1500 years ago? I also get 100% in 23andme.

Salento
19-09-21, 23:08
Could be, I�m confused by all this autosomal thingy. If these tests can pick up such ancient ancestries from Messapians and Iapygians 3000 years ago, why Albanians don�t get 20-40% Ukraine/Belarus from 1500 years ago? I also get 100% in 23andme.

No one is 100% of something.

These companies have determined the various base components and percentages of main populations / places.

If the Ancestral Components Ratio of a user falls in a predetermined range assigned to a place the user could get 100% of that place / population.

If the user does Not fully match a Main predetermined Ancestral Component, he/she get assigned percentages of his/her main closest matching places / populations.

Archetype0ne
19-09-21, 23:21
https://i.imgur.com/kzJfjMF.jpg

MyHeritage:

https://i.imgur.com/bsO4D9i.jpg

2nd Map :thinking:

You got that Vatican City Swaggg!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/4b/c0/8e4bc0e3e21f641fbeac523aa26bfe80.jpg

PS: Yeah I know, that's Rome. :D

Salento
19-09-21, 23:30
2nd Map :thinking:

You got that Vatican City Swaggg!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8e/4b/c0/8e4bc0e3e21f641fbeac523aa26bfe80.jpg

PS: Yeah I know, that's Rome. :D

… my point was that Ancestry doesn’t assign Lecce / Salento to me, though MyHeritage does.

Archetype0ne
19-09-21, 23:31
… my point was that Ancestry doesn’t assign Lecce / Salento to me, though MyHeritage does.

In such cases I would write them a 5 min email. Usually they take costumer feedback to heart.

Salento
20-09-21, 01:06
In such cases I would write them a 5 min email. Usually they take costumer feedback to heart.

… nah, I much rather Land my carbon “footprint” into your feedback :)

Archetype0ne
20-09-21, 01:35
… nah, I much rather Land my carbon “footprint” into your feedback :)

did I somehow strike a nerve? I wasn't even being offensive. Guess swag must have a negative connotation over the pond...
Either way. Salute!

Salento
20-09-21, 03:32
https://i.imgur.com/L28KhJX.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/utj4NxS.jpg

matty74
12-10-21, 00:04
12972

12972

Malaparte
24-10-21, 04:16
My results ----> much of my heritage seems to have been re-assigned to Northern Italy

Ireland 29% -- up from 26%
Northern Italy 27% -- up from 10% (?????)
Southern Italy 24% -- down from 31%
Scotland 10% -- down from 12%
England & NW Europe 3% -- up one percentage point from 2%
Wales 3% -- same as before
Norway 2% -- up from zero, though my mother had previously shown tiny fraction Norway
Russia & East Europe 2% -- same as before

And I now have zero France ---> previously 9% (went to Northern Italy?)
Zero Germanic Europe ---> previously 3% (went to Norway?)
Zero Greece & Albania ---> previously 2%

Jovialis
27-10-21, 13:40
https://i.imgur.com/RtpOPHV.png

Here is mine.

Apparently there was an October update. However, my results remain the same.

Angela
27-10-21, 17:03
Apparently there was an October update. However, my results remain the same.

No change; 100% North Italian.

Salento
27-10-21, 20:28
… no changes, … still the same.

Palermo Trapani
27-10-21, 23:02
No change for me either, September results are the same as the July updated results that I disclosed in post #88.

bigsnake49
27-10-21, 23:09
Slight change for me:

Previous results
Greece and Albania 53%
Balkans 44%
Baltics 2%
Eastern Europe and Russia 1%

New Results

Greece and Albania 48%
Balkans 44%
Aegean Islands 8%

Jovialis
28-10-21, 00:16
Slight change for me:

Previous results
Greece and Albania 53%
Balkans 44%
Baltics 2%
Eastern Europe and Russia 1%

New Results

Greece and Albania 48%
Balkans 44%
Aegean Islands 8%



From my recollection, you plot fairly close to me on a PCA.

bigsnake49
28-10-21, 01:05
From my recollection, you plot fairly close to me on a PCA.
I don't recall. One of these days I will plot myself on a PCA. On one of those closeness maps I score an 82 in the Peloponnese and another 82 in what is now Bulgaria with a 78 around Albania/Kossovo and Romania with 75s in Italy I think.

torzio
28-10-21, 02:15
… no changes, … still the same.


same for me

except 2 surnames added ( Forner and Pavanetto as close martches)