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bicicleur
15-05-18, 11:42
already 55 Palestinian protesters have been killed, amongst them 8 children

Simona Frankel, Israeli ambassador in Belgium can explain it : 'they were all terrorists", she says

https://www.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/israelische-ambassadrice-in-belgie-na-55-palestijnse-doden-in-gaza-onder-wie-8-kinderen-waren-allemaal-terroristen~a1284751/

Yetos
15-05-18, 22:32
Yes
the Valley of Death,
3 000 years now

Dibran
16-05-18, 00:43
I don't support extremism in the least. I fail to see however, that children and civilians are "Terrorists". Did Israelis(many of which descend from holocaust survivors) forget the vile oppression they faced in WW2 that they just up and forget how they treat others? They are creating terrorists with their very actions. A massive military force against people with make-shift crappy rockets and sling shots.

Ygorcs
16-05-18, 04:00
I think some people are using the word "terrorist" so vaguely that it's getting vulgarized. I don't doubt those protesters were all angry and very possibly aggressive, even violent... but "terrorist" some day meant something much more specific (and serious) than that. And some day people still believed that a democratic state should have the higher moral ground than some authoritarian, extremist organization, and thus should act strongly but within more civilized standards, using only indispensable, proportional and unavoidable amounts of violence when necessary. I can't but ask myself if such mass killing was really necessary, proportional and adequate, considering that the reports said nothing about any major crime or major disruption of social order caused by these protests. Killing should be a last resort, especially when the death of young protesters ("martyrdom") is actually used a political tool by your enemies to create more and actual terrorists and incite the population to keep fighting violently. But I think that, both for Israeli authorities and - even more so - Palestinian ones, to ask for some reasonability now is nothing but fantasy.

raspberry
17-05-18, 23:25
Those people who say "Israel is the only real democracy in the Near East" are embarassing. My opinion on Israel and the colonists will be left out because people would feel offended.

Coriolan
19-05-18, 07:13
They are using the word terrorist like American Neocons to mean enemies of the state, or "people who oppose us". They take an emotionally laden word and reuse it in a broader sense to fit their own propaganda. It's a common practice (among unscrupulous people at least).

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Coriolan
19-05-18, 07:17
Those people who say "Israel is the only real democracy in the Near East" are embarassing. My opinion on Israel and the colonists will be left out because people would feel offended.Why? Isn't the Israeli government democratically elected? That's all it means. Democracy doesn't equate pacifism or even respect of human rights. These are completely separate things. It's not because a lot of developed countries are democratic and try to respect human rights that the two need to go hand in hand.

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raspberry
19-05-18, 11:58
Why? Isn't the Israeli government democratically elected? That's all it means. Democracy doesn't equate pacifism or even respect of human rights. These are completely separate things. It's not because a lot of developed countries are democratic and try to respect human rights that the two need to go hand in hand.
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No, that's not what they mean when they say that Israel is the only "real" (emphasis is on this word) democracy in the Near East. Even if I don't support the Turkish government (or any other party at the moment) I have to say that the elections are free. Why do those Israel-supporters then would never get on the idea to say that on the behalf on Turkey? Now don't tell me Turkey is not in the Near East or what not, the reasons are obvious.

bicicleur
21-05-18, 09:56
Israel is a democracy indeed, but an important part of the voters are hardliners and Jewish settlers on the west bank.
Their ideology is based on supremacy.
They believe they are the chosen people and that they occupy promised land.
They must have forgotten about the holocaust, because their ideology is very similar to the ideology that created the holocoust.

IronSide
21-05-18, 12:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxvNZisaB8E

IronSide
21-05-18, 12:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGSRLrE-is&t=2s

IronSide
21-05-18, 12:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV1HwG1_phs

ihype02
21-05-18, 13:29
Horrible. .

Messier 67
24-05-18, 01:34
Wikipedia:


As of 21 May 2018, according to the Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza, the casualty breakdown was as follows:



112 Killed of whom 13 were children (under 18)
13,190 Injured

The injured



7,618 struck by Live ammunition or rubber bullets
5,572 affected by Tear-gas causing symptoms of suffocation
332 Critically injured
3,422 Moderately injured
9,436 Lightly injured



2,096 Children injured
1,029 Women injured

Amputations


32 amputations

Medical personal


1 paramedic from the Palestinian Civil Defense killed

223 medics injured by either live fire or tear-gas suffocation

Material damage.


37 ambulances partly damaged.

Journalists


2 journalists were killed.

175 journalists were injured.[190] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests#cite_note-Maan21518-190)"[191] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests#cite_note-OCHA15May-191)

On 17 April 2018, The World Health Organization (WHO) voiced concern that nearly 350 people may be temporarily or permanently disabled.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Gaza_border_protests

This following story did happen (8 month old baby killed by tear gas), and the The Onion did a shock story:

IDF Soldier Recounts Harrowing, Heroic War Story Of Killing 8-Month-Old Child (https://www.theonion.com/idf-soldier-recounts-harrowing-heroic-war-story-of-kil-1826048745)


JERUSALEM—Describing the terrifying yet valiant experience to his fellow battalion members, Israel Defense Forces soldier Yossi Saadon recounted Tuesday his harrowing, heroic war story of killing an 8-month-old Palestinian child during a violent attack against protesters. “It was a heart-pounding experience—there was smoke and gunfire all around me, and I made a split-second decision to hurl that canister of tear gas at the encroaching infant cradled in her father’s arms,” said Saadon to the group of awed soldiers, describing the chills that went up and down his spine as he realized that all he had was his M16 assault rifle and some tear gas to defend himself against the unarmed Palestinian family standing only dozens of yards away. “I could see the whites of the baby’s eyes and hear her terrifying cries, and I knew it was either her or me. And this wasn’t some newborn infant, you know? This was a baby who could probably sit up independently. I was scared, but I acted quickly to throw that tear gas at her and her older sister. And who knows how many lives I saved when I shot the women trying to help her?” At press time, Saadon’s battalion commander informed him that he was submitting his name for the Medal of Valor, the IDF’s highest honor.



The baby died. It is a true story, just the Onion dramatization was false.

The traditional leftist Jimmy Dore did a cover of the story:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfx-nEQ6bbo

Here is a news story on an example of the shooting of Palestinians:

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5225469,00.html

XipeTotek
28-06-18, 12:33
if you have money and power you can kill anyone on the world? and anybody cant touch you

israel needs a democracy for that events? like a saddam iraq? i think so. if not whats different?