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kmak
02-06-18, 18:48
famous member had T haplogroup?

Salento
02-06-18, 19:25
famous member had T haplogroup?

Thomas Jefferson
An American Founding Father who was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence and later served as the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809.
Y T Haplogroup.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Official_Presidential_portrait_of_Thomas_Jefferson _%28by_Rembrandt_Peale%2C_1800%29.jpg/402px-Official_Presidential_portrait_of_Thomas_Jefferson _%28by_Rembrandt_Peale%2C_1800%29.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml

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Elite Leader of the Varna Culture

http://badamba.info/live/images/chalcolithic3.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9772&d=1519483967

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35510-Elite-leader-of-the-Varna-Culture-T-M184-(-western-Black-sea-coast-)

red
04-06-18, 17:08
House of Al Sabah and Khalifa

Sile
04-06-18, 19:58
House of Al Sabah and Khalifa
Al Sabah is kuwaiti aristocracy
Most Kuwaiti come from Persian descent who came from elamites
https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-015-1233-x
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There should be a lot of L ydna and some T ydna who same say began as the Lurs people north of the Elamites ( still Persians ).
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https://www.nature.com/articles/jhg2010174
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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0074913

Salento
29-10-18, 06:06
Thomas Jefferson
An American Founding Father who was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence and later served as the third President of the United States from 1801 to 1809.
Y T Haplogroup.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Official_Presidential_portrait_of_Thomas_Jefferson _%28by_Rembrandt_Peale%2C_1800%29.jpg/402px-Official_Presidential_portrait_of_Thomas_Jefferson _%28by_Rembrandt_Peale%2C_1800%29.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml

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Elite Leader of the Varna Culture

http://badamba.info/live/images/chalcolithic3.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=9772&d=1519483967

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35510-Elite-leader-of-the-Varna-Culture-T-M184-(-western-Black-sea-coast-)

The Thomas Jefferson Memorial, modeled after the Pantheon of Rome:

http://i.imgur.com/4BuNE9b.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Ypzojaq.jpg

His Huge bronze Statue inside:
http://i.imgur.com/xVli3Av.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3yKOaWD.jpg

Thomas Jefferson was the principal author of the Declaration of Independence.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, ...”

Salento
30-10-18, 02:37
Library of Congress - Thomas Jefferson Building:

http://i.imgur.com/MWTRoQb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FDsuhfz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/72e5t9A.jpg

Jefferson’s copy of “The Prince” - “The Works of Niccolò Machiavelli”.

http://i.imgur.com/oUnmQF9.jpg

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Capitol Building (USA Congress Building) Statue of Jefferson holding the Declaration of Independence.

http://i.imgur.com/JenrMKT.jpg

Caucasus
30-10-18, 04:47
Lurs are not descended from Persians. They have branched out from Kurds but have been influenced by Persian culture and language over centuries. I am of Kurdish descent and have T haplogroup on both sides.

Sile
30-10-18, 06:27
Lurs are not descended from Persians. They have branched out from Kurds but have been influenced by Persian culture and language over centuries. I am of Kurdish descent and have T haplogroup on both sides.

Depends which stories you believe

Persians come from Tajik and Uzbek areas and moved to Iran circa 1000BC , they where originally called Parsi ( they also brought with them Zorastrian religion )...the Medes are first cousins of the persians and the Kurds are first cousins of the Medes.
The Parsi remained in Iran and went to western India.

Only famous Parsi I know of was Freddie Mercury from the band Queen , born in Zanzibar but his father was a Parsi from Iran.

There is a link between Persians, Medes and Kurds......I do not know where Elamites, Lurs and Gutians fir in though

Caucasus
31-10-18, 08:49
Sile, I agree that it is a complex issue. It is my understanding though that lots of historians consider Gutians among the early ancestors of Kurds. One thing I am not sure about is whether Medes and Persians brought haplogroup T to Iran from Euroasian steppes or did it belong to indigenous Gutian, Elamite population with whom they later intermixed? I would appreciate any feedback on this.
By the way, for those interested in biblical perspective, there are prophesies in the Old Testament about Elamates which very much parallels the plight of modern-day Kurds.

Sile
31-10-18, 18:58
Sile, I agree that it is a complex issue. It is my understanding though that lots of historians consider Gutians among the early ancestors of Kurds. One thing I am not sure about is whether Medes and Persians brought haplogroup T to Iran from Euroasian steppes or did it belong to indigenous Gutian, Elamite population with whom they later intermixed? I would appreciate any feedback on this.
By the way, for those interested in biblical perspective, there are prophesies in the Old Testament about Elamates which very much parallels the plight of modern-day Kurds.
Thanks
Bible perspective all state that haplogroup LT which split into L and T belong to the Madai ( Medes)
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You can ask these questions in the ..ftdna Tower of babel Project ( if you believe these things )
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/towerof-babel/about

Caucasus
02-11-18, 03:16
That is pretty interesting. I am not sure about how much of this biblical perspective is backed by science but it does not seem to be very far from the truth considering that Medes disintegrated into many smaller nations such as Kurds and Azeris (later turkified with the arrival of Selcuk Turks in 12th century) after Persians usurped power and ended the Median rule. From my reading of many posts, this haplogroup likely originated around Zagros mountains, a territory inhabited and ruled by Medes.

Salento
06-09-19, 05:02
National Portrait Gallery, Smithsonian
(America’s Presidents)

fyi: the earliest known likeness of Thomas Jefferson


https://i.imgur.com/pligSJd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vtm5K0C.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ATkCyFd.jpg

Salento
06-09-19, 05:59
Jefferson's Tomahawk
(in the Library of Congress)


https://i.imgur.com/unnpfbM.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/ahfqAXH.jpg

Commander Spock
08-07-20, 13:57
American actor Hal Holbrook belongs to haplogroup T-L454, according to WikiTree profile of his ancestor Abner Holbrook b. 1741 and d. 1788 and Holbrook FTDNA project.

Joey37
08-07-20, 14:21
Oh awesome you guys have someone other than Thomas Jefferson!

Salento
08-07-20, 15:04
Oh awesome you guys have someone other than Thomas Jefferson!

A y T founding father suits the Vision for America to a T,

The Declaration of Independence is Down to a T,

y Ts are few, but we are Up to a T :)

... about y T, ... I’m bias to a T :-)

Salento
12-07-20, 05:05
y T-L208

Iron-Age R850 - Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC

... very Roman of him for representing y T during the Genesis of Rome :)


https://i.imgur.com/0zwIIlX.jpg

... Culture: Latin

Ardea is an ancient town 35 kilometers south of Rome and 4 kilometers from today’s coastline.
In the 8th century BC, Ardea was the capital of the Rutuli - an Ancient Latin people of the Italian peninsula and mentioned in the Aeneid.
Ardea was part of the Latin League confederation and first became a Roman colony in the 5th century BC. The Roman-Carthaginian treaty mentions the town as refusing to aid Rome in the Second Punic Wars.
The archaeological remains are from a necropolis called Campo del Fico and date between the 8th and 6th centuries BC. The location is not far from the sea and was close to the nearby port of Castrum Inui which gave Ardea a strategic role in controlling coastal routes in the pre-Roman period.
Two excavations were conducted in 1981 and 1982 by E. Tortorici and L. Crescenzi ...

torzio
08-10-20, 18:09
From recent studies

The fact that the Golden elite individual from the Varna culture belongs to T, and the fact that the earlier Starčevo–Körös–Criș culture individual from the same Bulgarian region belongs to T, means that the ruling group of the Neolithic Revolution could be related to T.


Also, the gold found among the Varna culture shows that metallurgy was introduced into the neighbouring Steppe regions by the people of the Varna culture. And the early farmers of the Starčevo–Körös–Criș culture were probably the ones that brought farming to the Steppe.



Two quotes from David Anthony's papers:


Quote 1:
"Ornaments of Balkan copper, exotic ornamental shells (Glycemeris, Antalis), long lamellar flint blades, polished stone maces, and perhaps people and animals were exchanged across the Pontic–Caspian steppes from Varna to Khvalynsk and Svobodnoe between 4500-4200 BC."

Quote 2:
"At the cemetery of Khvalynsk on the middle Volga, dated about 4700 bc, 320 copper ornaments were found in 201 graves. Some objects were made or repaired locally, but most were made of Bulgarian copper, and a handful (rings and spiral bracelets) were made in the same way as the copper ornaments found at Varna, and probably were imported from Bulgaria."

Before farming was found in the steppe regions, the people of the steppe consisted of different distinct unrelated cultures, totally different from the later Khvalynsk / Sredny Stog culture. So, it is obvious that the ancestors of the Varna golden elite individual were involved in the formation of this Eneolithic steppe civilization. The people of the Neolithic Revolution brought their culture to the natives of the Steppe during the Eneolithic period, and mixed with each other in time.

And I think that the arrival of the ancestors of the Steppe Maykop individual IV3002 from the Ipatovo kurgan in the steppe region is probably related to these mixing events described above.




Sample IV3002

Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop CultureIV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Kurgan: 2
Phase: 1st
Grave: 187 ( Founding grave of the entire mound )
Other dates: 5058 ± 223 yBP / 5328 ± 251 yBP / 4630 ± 50 yBP (radiocarbon)
Y-DNA: T1-CTS6004 (xT1a1a-CTS484, T1a1b-Y6031, T1a2b-FGC37316) (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-L206/) Probably: T1a2a-Y8614 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y8614/)
mtDNA: X1'2'3
Age at Death: 35-45