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I saw a map recently of Homeric greek aegean area and I noticed that Troy had a capital named Ilium, neighbouring the Dardans in the Dardaneles. Being two houses of the ruling dynasty in Troy which would hail forth people such as Paris, and Aenea who would be the progenitor of the Romans. My qeustion is, since we have so little information of 1300–800 bce, culd it be that the same colonization by local and incoming tribes towards the west (such as indo europeans earlier, as well as etruscan and greek colonizers moving towards tuscany and neapoli respectively could have brought these local Troyan tribes to the north of aechean greece forming the bulwark of what would be known as Illyria (Ilium?) and Dardania (The Dardans and the Dardaneles in Anatolia?). I mean this is just mere speculation without any weight to it.
When I look at E-V13 distribution maps, with my untrained mind, I see a movement of culture as well as genes flowing from the Caucasus and the Pontic steppe towards Anatolia and the Aegean, which to a minor yet considerate level reaches the whole borders of the Roman empire. My untrained guess, again, is that these movents happened somewhere 3-4k years ago.
Then there is this thing that always amuses me. The qeleshe, white hat made of wool worn by Greek and Troyan allies during the war, seen in multiple classical statues and reliefs on vases. I remember my grandpa having lived for years in France, and returning to live back in Macedonia in his older age he would still flour (literally) his wool hat and wear it everyday. I think that is why when I see this hat in 3000 y/o art depictions I am amused. Maybe it is just a total coincidence. Or maybe it was brought/evolved in Europe with the domestication of animals. Gyges, as well as Paris both were shepherds.
Older peoeple of Albanian origin in Macedonian villages would call their daughters in law generally and in short Reja, or eReja (New one). In the archaic Greek pantheon of gods Reja (Rhea) was the mother of gods rather than a titan or a god herself. She is supposedly the goddess of farming, fertility, harvest etc. I am brining this up because in highschool for a documentary I had to investigate some archaic pagan tradition for the "Day of the Summer", where I went to a local village in the mountains and interviewed an elder and his wife about the custom. They mentioned Reja as well as some sun festivities with feasts and guest-hoping (best I can describe it). The oldest Hellenic oracle was at Dodona, near mount Tomaros in northern Greece. However, in a book of the early 20th century by some traveling Britishman, I read similar stories of bull sacrificing at mount Tomorr in southern Albania (which coincidentally today is a center for Bektashi worship, in my opinion a cover for pagan worship under the lenient classification of certain Ottoman periods).
Please do not flame me for not being scientifically rigorous. This is not my profession, I just would enjoy hearing your opinions.
Tried posting links with images of art depicting my point on the Qeleshe, bull sacrifice relief with qeleshe and what looks like Hermes and Rea looking on, and pictures of art depicting Petroclus as well as Odysseus wearing qeleshe. However due to the fact I do not have 10 posts I can not post them. PM if necesary.
Qeleshe ()
Ancient art similarity ()
Achilles bandaging Patroclus wearing qeleshe
Achilles between Diomedes and Odysseus at Scyros
Ulyses discovers Achilles disguised as a woman - Ancient mosaic of the Roman villa of La Olmeda in Pedrosa de la Vega
Ancient sacrifice featuring the qeleshe
Anyways, just my curiosity and wild imagination at it again.
I saw a map recently of Homeric greek aegean area and I noticed that Troy had a capital named Ilium, neighbouring the Dardans in the Dardaneles. Being two houses of the ruling dynasty in Troy which would hail forth people such as Paris, and Aenea who would be the progenitor of the Romans. My qeustion is, since we have so little information of 1300–800 bce, culd it be that the same colonization by local and incoming tribes towards the west (such as indo europeans earlier, as well as etruscan and greek colonizers moving towards tuscany and neapoli respectively could have brought these local Troyan tribes to the north of aechean greece forming the bulwark of what would be known as Illyria (Ilium?) and Dardania (The Dardans and the Dardaneles in Anatolia?). I mean this is just mere speculation without any weight to it.
When I look at E-V13 distribution maps, with my untrained mind, I see a movement of culture as well as genes flowing from the Caucasus and the Pontic steppe towards Anatolia and the Aegean, which to a minor yet considerate level reaches the whole borders of the Roman empire. My untrained guess, again, is that these movents happened somewhere 3-4k years ago.
Then there is this thing that always amuses me. The qeleshe, white hat made of wool worn by Greek and Troyan allies during the war, seen in multiple classical statues and reliefs on vases. I remember my grandpa having lived for years in France, and returning to live back in Macedonia in his older age he would still flour (literally) his wool hat and wear it everyday. I think that is why when I see this hat in 3000 y/o art depictions I am amused. Maybe it is just a total coincidence. Or maybe it was brought/evolved in Europe with the domestication of animals. Gyges, as well as Paris both were shepherds.
Older peoeple of Albanian origin in Macedonian villages would call their daughters in law generally and in short Reja, or eReja (New one). In the archaic Greek pantheon of gods Reja (Rhea) was the mother of gods rather than a titan or a god herself. She is supposedly the goddess of farming, fertility, harvest etc. I am brining this up because in highschool for a documentary I had to investigate some archaic pagan tradition for the "Day of the Summer", where I went to a local village in the mountains and interviewed an elder and his wife about the custom. They mentioned Reja as well as some sun festivities with feasts and guest-hoping (best I can describe it). The oldest Hellenic oracle was at Dodona, near mount Tomaros in northern Greece. However, in a book of the early 20th century by some traveling Britishman, I read similar stories of bull sacrificing at mount Tomorr in southern Albania (which coincidentally today is a center for Bektashi worship, in my opinion a cover for pagan worship under the lenient classification of certain Ottoman periods).
Please do not flame me for not being scientifically rigorous. This is not my profession, I just would enjoy hearing your opinions.
Tried posting links with images of art depicting my point on the Qeleshe, bull sacrifice relief with qeleshe and what looks like Hermes and Rea looking on, and pictures of art depicting Petroclus as well as Odysseus wearing qeleshe. However due to the fact I do not have 10 posts I can not post them. PM if necesary.
Qeleshe ()
Ancient art similarity ()
Achilles bandaging Patroclus wearing qeleshe
Achilles between Diomedes and Odysseus at Scyros
Ulyses discovers Achilles disguised as a woman - Ancient mosaic of the Roman villa of La Olmeda in Pedrosa de la Vega
Ancient sacrifice featuring the qeleshe
Anyways, just my curiosity and wild imagination at it again.