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Cyrus
25-10-18, 11:42
It seems haplogroup I2b has been observed just in Germany, Italy, Scotland and Iran, and according to Wikipedia, haplogroup I diverged from common ancestor IJ which has been found only in Iran. What is the relation between these two?

firetown
25-10-18, 11:49
How about in Poland? Or to be precise: Silesia.

It seems haplogroup I2b has been observed just in Germany, Italy, Scotland and Iran, and according to Wikipedia, haplogroup I diverged from common ancestor IJ which has been found only in Iran. What is the relation between these two?

Aaron1981
25-10-18, 17:21
It seems haplogroup I2b has been observed just in Germany, Italy, Scotland and Iran, and according to Wikipedia, haplogroup I diverged from common ancestor IJ which has been found only in Iran. What is the relation between these two?

"I2b" is a very broad group, but specifically what you are referring to can be narrowed down.

I2-M223-M284 - western branch found in Atlantic Megalithic cultures. Likely hunter-gatherers who were neolithicized by Mediterranean farmers

I2-M223-L701/801 - Lines that have popped up in CWC and Yamnaya, but also makes an appearance in places like Pakistan and Iran. I suspect this is the line that is relevant to your question.

The divergence of IJ is very old and not all that important. It's like suggesting that YDNA K branched in SE Asian 50,000 years ago. Well yeah? So what, R didn't form there, so who cares. Likewise, YDNA I is for all intents and purposes a European line, not Middle Eastern.

halfalp
25-10-18, 18:18
He is talking about I2b, not I2a2a previously known as I2b.

Cyrus
25-10-18, 19:12
I want to know I2 in Iran relates to a migration or an internal development (IJ>I>I2).