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Tomenable
22-02-19, 11:25
I uploaded to GEDmatch Genesis this sample:


https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#11/57.6922/-3.2249


I2860, Late Bronze Age Scotland (Moray), 970–816 calBCE (2738±29 BP), Y-DNA R1b-P312, mtDNA H5a1:


GEDmatch Genesis kit number - DQ3188575


Eurogenes K15 results:


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 34.51
2 North_Sea 30.03
3 Eastern_Euro 12.64
4 Baltic 10.69
5 West_Med 8.84
6 West_Asian 3.29


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 7.51
2 Irish 7.75
3 Southwest_English 8.11
4 West_Scottish 8.15
5 North_German 8.26
6 South_Dutch 8.66
7 Danish 8.84
8 North_Dutch 9.92
9 Orcadian 10.53
10 French 12.87
11 Norwegian 13.09
12 West_German 13.44
13 East_German 13.46
14 Swedish 14.13
15 West_Norwegian 14.18
16 North_Swedish 14.83
17 Austrian 15.75
18 Southwest_Finnish 16.16
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.84
20 Hungarian 18.77


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 75.5% Danish + 24.5% French_Basque @ 4.98
2 78.1% North_German + 21.9% French_Basque @ 5.36
3 79.3% West_Scottish + 20.7% French_Basque @ 5.67
4 81.2% Irish + 18.8% French_Basque @ 5.75
5 62.1% North_Swedish + 37.9% French_Basque @ 5.81
6 73.9% North_Dutch + 26.1% French_Basque @ 6.05
7 76.7% West_Scottish + 23.3% Southwest_French @ 6.11
8 79.2% Irish + 20.8% Southwest_French @ 6.19
9 84.4% Southeast_English + 15.6% French_Basque @ 6.3
10 74.2% Danish + 25.8% Southwest_French @ 6.35
11 66% Norwegian + 34% French_Basque @ 6.38
12 63.8% Swedish + 36.2% French_Basque @ 6.44
13 82.7% Irish + 17.3% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.55
14 80.3% West_Scottish + 19.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.55
15 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.62
16 81.9% Irish + 18.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.63
17 82.9% Irish + 17.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.63
18 80.4% West_Scottish + 19.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.64
19 80.5% West_Scottish + 19.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.64
20 79.4% West_Scottish + 20.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 6.66


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French_Basque +50% North_Swedish @ 8.218181


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% French_Basque +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.436994


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 4.917883
2 French_Basque + Irish + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 5.061012
3 Danish + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 5.099520
4 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.226985
5 Danish + French_Basque + Irish + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.231301
6 French_Basque + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 5.241187
7 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 5.327492
8 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.338628
9 Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.388310
10 French_Basque + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 5.394271
11 Danish + Danish + French_Basque + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.436994
12 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 5.443968
13 French_Basque + Irish + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.484848
14 Finnish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.494793
15 East_Finnish + French_Basque + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 5.503013
16 Danish + French_Basque + Southeast_English + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.508354
17 French_Basque + North_German + Orcadian + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.563746
18 French_Basque + Irish + North_Dutch + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.583492
19 French_Basque + Irish + North_German + Southwest_Finnish @ 5.585396
20 East_Finnish + French_Basque + Irish + West_Scottish @ 5.610758


Eurogenes K36:


114045 SNPs used in this evaluation


Population
Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 4.26 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.41 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 0.40 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 7.58 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 5.19 Pct
Fennoscandian 6.87 Pct
French 9.98 Pct
Iberian 12.94 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 8.26 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 17.20 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 16.38 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.52 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -


Similarity Map:


https://i.imgur.com/gB5Bk1i.png

Tomenable
22-02-19, 11:32
Eurogenes K13 for the same individual:


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.72
2 Baltic 26.32
3 West_Med 15.36
4 West_Asian 6.64
5 Amerindian 0.59
6 South_Asian 0.38


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 Irish 4
2 Orcadian 4.19
3 West_Scottish 4.87
4 North_Dutch 4.91
5 Southwest_English 4.97
6 Southeast_English 5.69
7 Norwegian 5.7
8 Danish 5.71
9 North_German 6.8
10 Swedish 7.57
11 South_Dutch 9.2
12 West_German 10.51
13 North_Swedish 13.52
14 East_German 13.93
15 Austrian 14.13
16 French 14.57
17 Hungarian 18.97
18 Southwest_Finnish 21.08
19 Southwest_French 21.19
20 Spanish_Cataluna 21.23


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.5% Norwegian + 15.5% French_Basque @ 3.03
2 79.3% Swedish + 20.7% French_Basque @ 3.19
3 92.4% Irish + 7.6% Ukrainian @ 3.4
4 92.3% Irish + 7.7% Polish @ 3.42
5 89.8% Southwest_English + 10.2% Lithuanian @ 3.43
6 88.6% Southwest_English + 11.4% Estonian @ 3.44
7 86.8% Irish + 13.2% East_German @ 3.44
8 92.5% Irish + 7.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.45
9 92% Irish + 8% South_Polish @ 3.47
10 94.1% Irish + 5.9% Lithuanian @ 3.47
11 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.49
12 93.7% Irish + 6.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.5
13 93.6% Irish + 6.4% Estonian @ 3.53
14 94.3% Irish + 5.7% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.54
15 92.6% Irish + 7.4% Croatian @ 3.54
16 65.8% Southwest_English + 34.2% Swedish @ 3.55
17 94.2% Irish + 5.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.56
18 94% Irish + 6% Belorussian @ 3.56
19 94.2% Irish + 5.8% Southwest_Russian @ 3.56
20 95.1% Irish + 4.9% Erzya @ 3.56

Tomenable
22-02-19, 11:58
MDLP K23b results for the same individual:


Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.18
2 European_Early_Farmers 30.68
3 Caucasian 19.44
4 Ancestral_Altaic 6.37
5 South_Central_Asian 5.93
6 Amerindian 0.28
7 Austronesian 0.11


Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 English_Cornwall_GBR ( ) 1.55
2 English_Kent_GBR ( ) 2.22
3 British ( ) 2.35
4 CEU ( ) 2.62
5 Welsh ( ) 3.01
6 North_European ( ) 3.38
7 English ( ) 3.7
8 Irish ( ) 4.22
9 Norwegian_West ( ) 5.23
10 Frisian ( ) 5.28
11 Belgian ( ) 5.35
12 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) 5.67
13 Norwegian_East ( ) 6.03
14 Orcadian ( ) 6.49
15 Icelandic ( ) 6.65
16 French ( ) 7.26
17 Swede ( ) 8.13
18 Dutch ( ) 8.21
19 Dane ( ) 9.19
20 North_German ( ) 10.26


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.6% British ( ) + 29.4% Frisian ( ) @ 0.91
2 97.5% British ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Svan ( ) @ 1.02
3 97.6% British ( ) + 2.4% Georgian_Tbilisi ( ) @ 1.03
4 96.8% British ( ) + 3.2% Balkar ( ) @ 1.04
5 96.8% British ( ) + 3.2% North_Ossetian ( ) @ 1.04
6 97.4% British ( ) + 2.6% Abkhasian ( ) @ 1.05
7 96.8% British ( ) + 3.2% Adygei ( ) @ 1.07
8 97.7% British ( ) + 2.3% Georgian_Laz ( ) @ 1.07
9 97.5% British ( ) + 2.5% Georgian_Megrelia ( ) @ 1.08
10 97.6% British ( ) + 2.4% Georgian_Imereti ( ) @ 1.08
11 97.5% British ( ) + 2.5% Adjara ( ) @ 1.09
12 97.5% British ( ) + 2.5% Georgian ( ) @ 1.09
13 97% British ( ) + 3% Ossetian ( ) @ 1.09
14 96.3% British ( ) + 3.7% Cirkassian ( ) @ 1.11
15 96.1% British ( ) + 3.9% Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) @ 1.11
16 96.7% British ( ) + 3.3% Chechen ( ) @ 1.13
17 96.8% British ( ) + 3.2% Circassian ( ) @ 1.14
18 97.3% British ( ) + 2.7% Turk_Trabzon ( ) @ 1.14
19 92.6% British ( ) + 7.4% Serb_Serbia ( ) @ 1.14
20 96.7% British ( ) + 3.3% Kabardin ( ) @ 1.15

I1a3_Young
27-02-19, 18:43
MDLP K23b results for the same individual:


Admix Results (sorted):


#PopulationPercent
1European_Hunters_Gatherers37.18
2European_Early_Farmers30.68
3Caucasian19.44
4Ancestral_Altaic6.37
5South_Central_Asian5.93
6Amerindian0.28
7Austronesian0.11


Single Population Sharing:


#Population (source)Distance
1English_Cornwall_GBR ( )1.55
2English_Kent_GBR ( )2.22
3British ( )2.35
4CEU ( )2.62
5Welsh ( )3.01
6North_European ( )3.38
7English ( )3.7
8Irish ( )4.22
9Norwegian_West ( )5.23
10Frisian ( )5.28
11Belgian ( )5.35
12Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( )5.67
13Norwegian_East ( )6.03
14Orcadian ( )6.49
15Icelandic ( )6.65
16French ( )7.26
17Swede ( )8.13
18Dutch ( )8.21
19Dane ( )9.19
20North_German ( )10.26


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:


# Primary Population (source)Secondary Population (source)Distance
1 70.6%British ( )+29.4%Frisian ( )@0.91
2 97.5%British ( )+2.5%Georgian_Svan ( )@1.02
3 97.6%British ( )+2.4%Georgian_Tbilisi ( )@1.03
4 96.8%British ( )+3.2%Balkar ( )@1.04
5 96.8%British ( )+3.2%North_Ossetian ( )@1.04
6 97.4%British ( )+2.6%Abkhasian ( )@1.05
7 96.8%British ( )+3.2%Adygei ( )@1.07
8 97.7%British ( )+2.3%Georgian_Laz ( )@1.07
9 97.5%British ( )+2.5%Georgian_Megrelia ( )@1.08
10 97.6%British ( )+2.4%Georgian_Imereti ( )@1.08
11 97.5%British ( )+2.5%Adjara ( )@1.09
12 97.5%British ( )+2.5%Georgian ( )@1.09
13 97%British ( )+3%Ossetian ( )@1.09
14 96.3%British ( )+3.7%Cirkassian ( )@1.11
15 96.1%British ( )+3.9%Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( )@1.11
16 96.7%British ( )+3.3%Chechen ( )@1.13
17 96.8%British ( )+3.2%Circassian ( )@1.14
18 97.3%British ( )+2.7%Turk_Trabzon ( )@1.14
19 92.6%British ( )+7.4%Serb_Serbia ( )@1.14
20 96.7%British ( )+3.3%Kabardin ( )@1.15Everything here looks as I'd expect, good data point.

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LeBrok
27-02-19, 21:40
Interesting. Does this mean that Insular Celts and Germanics were closely related?

Angela
27-02-19, 22:19
With all of this work you're doing, could you please indicate the number of snps they were able to get and the quality of the data? I think it's important to have that information before placing a lot of reliance on these results.

Govan
27-02-19, 22:20
Interesting. Does this mean that Insular Celts and Germanics were closely related?

In the big schema of things, yes. They shared the same Bronze Age ancestors or very similar.

In the smaller schema of things, they had different languages, yDNA, looks and culture.

Angela
27-02-19, 22:29
In the big schema of things, yes. They shared the same Bronze Age ancestors or very similar.

In the smaller schema of things, they had different languages, yDNA, looks and culture.

Exactly. Even autosomally, we can still distinguish between the Britons and the Anglo Saxons.

LeBrok
28-02-19, 04:40
Exactly. Even autosomally, we can still distinguish between the Britons and the Anglo Saxons.
Yes, no problem with distinguishing, but if this Caledonian sample is of any good quality then it means that almost 80%+ of their dna is exactly from same Bronze Age Source. Not too much of "foreign" since. That's pretty close affinity.

Unfortunately I can't check the sample myself on Gedmatch. It says "sample not found". It goes the same for all the recent samples Tomenable supposedly uploaded there.

davef
28-02-19, 04:46
Interesting how he looks 80 percent Irish/Scottish and 20 percent Spanish in the first post (or half North Swedish half Basque)