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Tomenable
23-02-19, 22:33
I have uploaded to GEDmatch this ancient sample from the area near Lyaskovets:

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#11/43.0796/26.0423

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyaskovets

https://i.imgur.com/RTD6wVN.png

I5769 Iron Age Bulgaria (500-400 BC), GEDmatch Genesis kit number - JD6924634

Eurogenes K15 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 28.65
2 East_Med 26.64
3 North_Sea 15.14
4 Atlantic 12.54
5 West_Asian 9.66
6 Red_Sea 3.72
7 Baltic 3.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.98
2 South_Italian 12.54
3 West_Sicilian 12.55
4 East_Sicilian 12.78
5 Central_Greek 13.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.68
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
8 Italian_Jewish 14.15
9 Algerian_Jewish 15.17
10 Ashkenazi 15.36
11 North_Italian 15.49
12 Greek 15.57
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.87
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.2
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.2
16 Portuguese 21.5
17 Bulgarian 21.51
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.65
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.91
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Central_Greek + 32.7% Sardinian @ 7.43
2 68.2% East_Sicilian + 31.8% Sardinian @ 7.5
3 68.9% South_Italian + 31.1% Sardinian @ 7.51
4 62.8% Ashkenazi + 37.2% Sardinian @ 8.1
5 65.5% Italian_Jewish + 34.5% Sardinian @ 8.13
6 66.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 33.2% Sardinian @ 8.24
7 66.8% Greek_Thessaly + 33.2% Sardinian @ 8.48
8 71.3% West_Sicilian + 28.7% Sardinian @ 9.01
9 56.2% Libyan_Jewish + 43.8% Sardinian @ 9.47
10 75.4% Tuscan + 24.6% Sardinian @ 9.75
11 60.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 39.2% Sardinian @ 9.78
12 64.8% Algerian_Jewish + 35.2% Sardinian @ 9.79
13 58.2% North_Italian + 41.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 10.12
14 54.3% Italian_Jewish + 45.7% North_Italian @ 10.2
15 54.4% Sardinian + 45.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 10.22
16 59.2% Sardinian + 40.8% Assyrian @ 10.29
17 51% Algerian_Jewish + 49% North_Italian @ 10.32
18 58.6% Sardinian + 41.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 10.32
19 73.2% South_Italian + 26.8% Spanish_Galicia @ 10.35
20 66.8% Italian_Jewish + 33.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 10.41

K15 PCA Coordinates:

Abscisse (x-axis): 446 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 393 pixel

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

https://i.imgur.com/PdtK15o.png

Eurogenes K13 results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Med 31.11
2 East_Med 30.15
3 North_Atlantic 22.77
4 West_Asian 8.14
5 Baltic 4.36
6 Red_Sea 3.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Sicilian 8.99
2 Tuscan 10.37
3 South_Italian 11.27
4 Italian_Abruzzo 12.35
5 East_Sicilian 12.66
6 Central_Greek 13.16
7 Italian_Jewish 13.93
8 Algerian_Jewish 14.11
9 North_Italian 14.54
10 Ashkenazi 15.08
11 Sephardic_Jewish 15.08
12 Greek_Thessaly 15.53
13 Tunisian_Jewish 19.04
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.47
15 Spanish_Andalucia 20.53
16 Spanish_Extremadura 20.9
17 Sardinian 21.53
18 Spanish_Murcia 21.8
19 Portuguese 21.84
20 Spanish_Valencia 21.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.3% West_Sicilian + 27.7% Sardinian @ 3.85
2 67.1% South_Italian + 32.9% Sardinian @ 4.54
3 64.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.2% Sardinian @ 4.7
4 59.6% Ashkenazi + 40.4% Sardinian @ 5.19
5 64.5% East_Sicilian + 35.5% Sardinian @ 5.34
6 59.7% Sephardic_Jewish + 40.3% Sardinian @ 5.5
7 62% Italian_Jewish + 38% Sardinian @ 5.55
8 63.6% Central_Greek + 36.4% Sardinian @ 5.68
9 73.3% Algerian_Jewish + 26.7% French_Basque @ 5.8
10 74.1% Italian_Jewish + 25.9% French_Basque @ 6.51
11 65.8% Algerian_Jewish + 34.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 6.51
12 60.9% Algerian_Jewish + 39.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.51
13 67.8% Algerian_Jewish + 32.2% Southwest_French @ 6.77
14 62.9% Algerian_Jewish + 37.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 6.91
15 64.2% Algerian_Jewish + 35.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 6.96
16 72.7% Tuscan + 27.3% Sardinian @ 6.98
17 61.6% Italian_Jewish + 38.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 6.99
18 66.5% Algerian_Jewish + 33.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 7.01
19 61.2% Cyprian + 38.8% French_Basque @ 7.08
20 68.4% Italian_Jewish + 31.6% Southwest_French @ 7.09

Eurogenes K36:

100694 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 2.82 Pct
Armenian 6.06 Pct
Basque 1.58 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.67 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.39 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 0.66 Pct
East_Med 16.73 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian -
French 4.38 Pct
Iberian 8.36 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 36.99 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 1.28 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 3.63 Pct
West_Med 13.45 Pct

And also:

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/p91cO6w.png

^ It was a woman with mtDNA haplogroup H:

Sample: I5769 (grave 8)*
Epoch: Iron Age
Latitude, Longitude: 43.16, 25.88
Sex: Female
Site: Dzhulyunitsa - near https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyaskovets
Date: 500-400 BCE

Not much context available:

"I5769 / No 8 (Iron Age, grave 9)*

Sub-adult female. This Iron Age burial was found in an oval pit in sq. 3611. The skeleton in flexed position and is turned to the east. Orientation of the body is SE-NW, with the head to SE. The grave inventory consists of ornamental beads and 21 metal (probably copper) ornaments smaller than 5 mm."

*One source says grave 8, one says grave 9.

Tomenable
23-02-19, 22:46
How she compares to Balkan Bronze Age samples:

https://i.imgur.com/5ueMxOK.png

Archetype0ne
23-02-19, 22:49
Very Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Tomenable
23-02-19, 23:22
Interesting, modern Serbs plot halfway between Belgorod and ancient I5769:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I5769 plots here: Abscisse (x-axis): 446 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 393 pixel

https://i.imgur.com/6Nx9RwD.png

Belgorod is what I suggested before as probably a good proxy for Proto-Slavs:

https://i.imgur.com/l1pvUL0.png

Let's call this guy a Thra-Slav:

Abscisse (x-axis): 477 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 262 pixel

https://i.imgur.com/bsziOQy.png

Archetype0ne
24-02-19, 00:28
Interesting, modern Serbs plot halfway between Belgorod and ancient I5769:

http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I5769 plots here: Abscisse (x-axis): 446 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 393 pixel

https://i.imgur.com/6Nx9RwD.png

Belgorod is what I suggested before as probably a good proxy for Proto-Slavs:

https://i.imgur.com/l1pvUL0.png

Let's call this guy a Thra-Slav:

Abscisse (x-axis): 477 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 262 pixel

https://i.imgur.com/bsziOQy.png

Thracian sure... But Slavic in the Iron age in Modern Bulgaria?

"Ancient Roman sources refer to the Early Slavic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs) peoples as Veneti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti), who dwelled in a region of central Europe east of the Germanic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_Peoples) tribe of Suebi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi), and west of the Iranian Sarmatians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians) in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#cite_note-11)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#cite_note-12) The Slavs under name of the Antes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antes_(people)) and the Sclaveni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaveni) first appear in Byzantine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) records in the early 6th century. "


That's at the very least 800 years difference from your sample in modern Bulgaria and the etnonym Slav being used for the population in Bulgaria.



Maybe I understood this wrong:

"Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.98
2 South_Italian 12.54
3 West_Sicilian 12.55
4 East_Sicilian 12.78
5 Central_Greek 13.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.68
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
8 Italian_Jewish 14.15
9 Algerian_Jewish 15.17
10 Ashkenazi 15.36
11 North_Italian 15.49
12 Greek 15.57
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.87
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.2
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.2
16 Portuguese 21.5
17 Bulgarian 21.51
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.65
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.91
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.12"



Maybe you and me are reading the sample differently?

Kelmendasi
24-02-19, 15:03
Thracian sure... But Slavic in the Iron age in Modern Bulgaria?

"Ancient Roman sources refer to the Early Slavic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Slavs) peoples as Veneti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti), who dwelled in a region of central Europe east of the Germanic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_Peoples) tribe of Suebi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi), and west of the Iranian Sarmatians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians) in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#cite_note-11)[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#cite_note-12) The Slavs under name of the Antes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antes_(people)) and the Sclaveni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sclaveni) first appear in Byzantine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_Empire) records in the early 6th century. "


That's at the very least 800 years difference from your sample in modern Bulgaria and the etnonym Slav being used for the population in Bulgaria.



Maybe I understood this wrong:

"Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tuscan 11.98
2 South_Italian 12.54
3 West_Sicilian 12.55
4 East_Sicilian 12.78
5 Central_Greek 13.11
6 Italian_Abruzzo 13.68
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.77
8 Italian_Jewish 14.15
9 Algerian_Jewish 15.17
10 Ashkenazi 15.36
11 North_Italian 15.49
12 Greek 15.57
13 Sephardic_Jewish 16.87
14 Libyan_Jewish 19.2
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.2
16 Portuguese 21.5
17 Bulgarian 21.51
18 Spanish_Extremadura 21.65
19 Spanish_Galicia 21.91
20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.12"



Maybe you and me are reading the sample differently?
He was trying to emulate what a mix of a Proto-Slav and Thracian would've looked like, hence the creation of the Thra-Slav sample(made by him). This Thracian sample was more southern shifted as you pointed out and was shown in the PCA.

Kelmendasi
24-02-19, 15:05
Going by location this sample may have been part of the Moesi tribe of Thracians. They inhabited the Tarnovo area of Bulgaria which Lyaskovets is a part of.

Archetype0ne
24-02-19, 16:29
He was trying to emulate what a mix of a Proto-Slav and Thracian would've looked like, hence the creation of the Thra-Slav sample(made by him). This Thracian sample was more southern shifted as you pointed out and was shown in the PCA.

I see. Makes logical sense. If the Thraco-Slavic stipulated sample is right. Need to read Tomeanbles posts about Belgorod to fully grasp this one.

LeBrok
24-02-19, 23:13
Thanks. This is what I was waiting for. A confirmation of the pre Slavic (and other Northern European invasions) state of Balkans. Balkans and Italy had very similar genetically population in Iron Age. Slavic invasion into Balkans left extremely strong signature and pulled Balkans' genetics towards Northern Europe.

Also, I mused some time ago that today's Crete might indicate state of pre slavic, classical Greek genetic composition. Now it looks that way.

And remember the hypothesis that there was some population invasion from Anatolia/Armenia into South Europe to pull Greece and Italy to the East with "Caucasian and South Asian" admixture? It is not present yet in this Iron Age sample, or fully present. Either it wasn't a huge invasion but steady constant population inflow, a long process.

However, I'm yet to run the sample through Harappa World on Gedmatch.

Tomenable
26-02-19, 18:56
^^^
Those in Western Balkans were already different (like today, there was a west-east cline from Croatia to Bulgaria):

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA

In this tool: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I3313 Bronze Age Dalmatia: Abscisse (x-axis): 338 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 271 pixel
I5769 Iron Age Bulgaria: Abscisse (x-axis): 446 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 393 pixel

So there was a west-east cline already in Pre-Slavic Balkans:

https://i.imgur.com/BvQlw0v.png

Archetype0ne
26-02-19, 19:04
^^^
Those in Western Balkans were already different (like today, there was a west-east cline from Croatia to Bulgaria):

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA

In this tool: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I3313 Bronze Age Dalmatia: Abscisse (x-axis): 338 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 271 pixel
I5769 Iron Age Bulgaria: Abscisse (x-axis): 446 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 393 pixel

So there was a west-east cline already in Pre-Slavic Balkans:

https://i.imgur.com/BvQlw0v.png

Given the geography, populations, this graph makes a lot of sense.

Thanks for taking the time to graph and share.

Edit the cline I would characterize as North-West to South-East. Rather a 1:1 NW-SE correspondence.

Tomenable
27-02-19, 10:25
DNA Land Ancestry Report for this Ancient Bulgarian sample:

https://i.imgur.com/T88jeSI.png

Johane Derite
27-02-19, 11:50
^^^
Those in Western Balkans were already different (like today, there was a west-east cline from Croatia to Bulgaria):

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA

In this tool: http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I3313 Bronze Age Dalmatia: Abscisse (x-axis): 338 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 271 pixel
I5769 Iron Age Bulgaria: Abscisse (x-axis): 446 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 393 pixel

So there was a west-east cline already in Pre-Slavic Balkans:

https://i.imgur.com/BvQlw0v.png

Im reposting this request incase you missed it:

Can you please do the same thing for I4331 from the Genomic History of Southeastern Europe as well?

This sample is also ancient croatia, and J2b2-L283

Gash
27-02-19, 13:17
Im reposting this request incase you missed it:

Can you please do the same thing for I4331 from the Genomic History of Southeastern Europe as well?

This sample is also ancient croatia, and J2b2-L283


I have messaged him and he said he is gonna do it.


Would also like the E1b Neolithic found in Croatia added.

Kelmendasi
27-02-19, 22:30
I have messaged him and he said he is gonna do it.


Would also like the E1b Neolithic found in Croatia added.
Would like to see how the J-L283 sample compares to I3313, though I think they will be similar considering the time frame and location . The E-L618 Dalmatian will probably just end up plotting close to Sardinians like other EEF samples, they were all very similar genetically.

Gash
27-02-19, 23:24
Would like to see how the J-L283 sample compares to I3313, though I think they will be similar considering the time frame and location . The E-L618 Dalmatian will probably just end up plotting close to Sardinians like other EEF samples, they were all very similar genetically.

Yeah that is very possible. its also possible Neolithic farmers mixed with some native hunter gatherers there

I read a paper that this occured in Romania for example.

Aspurg
28-02-19, 00:04
I5769 looked in the study more Sardinian oriented and with somewhat less Steppe ancestry. I'll look into this sample from an archaeological POV. It should be Thracian ofc, yet also it has to be said cremation was very widespread in Thracian groups..

I3313 should per archaeological evidence be proto-Iapodian Illyrian, I looked into this locality and its archaeological affinities. If it was a male I would have guessed some R-U152 clade or E-L241, and some J-L283 would be my 3rd choice.

E-L618 should also be interesting, it will be Sardinian-like but in the study this sample in most calculators is a flat Mediterranean line unlike most other Neolithic samples, so I'd be interested in whether he has some slight Natufian-like affinities or maybe N.African. As Natufian component was modeled in the study I guess not. But going by his components he seems extreme in Mediterranean direction, I think one Starčevo sample also looked similar.

This is ofc from where V13 ultimately comes from, Cardial wave people quite different from the main Neolithic wave, so I'd be interested to see their genetic differences. They were culturally different and I believe that they likely spoke different languages. Also Dalmatian Cardial pottery people were far from being classical farmers to being with..

Kelmendasi
28-02-19, 00:55
I5769 looked in the study more Sardinian oriented and with somewhat less Steppe ancestry. I'll look into this sample from an archaeological POV. It should be Thracian ofc, yet also it has to be said cremation was very widespread in Thracian groups..

I3313 should per archaeological evidence be proto-Iapodian Illyrian, I looked into this locality and its archaeological affinities. If it was a male I would have guessed some R-U152 clade or E-L241, and some J-L283 would be my 3rd choice.

E-L618 should also be interesting, it will be Sardinian-like but in the study this sample in most calculators is a flat Mediterranean line unlike most other Neolithic samples, so I'd be interested in whether he has some slight Natufian-like affinities or maybe N.African. As Natufian component was modeled in the study I guess not. But going by his components he seems extreme in Mediterranean direction, I think one Starčevo sample also looked similar.

This is ofc from where V13 ultimately comes from, Cardial wave people quite different from the main Neolithic wave, so I'd be interested to see their genetic differences. They were culturally different and I believe that they likely spoke different languages. Also Dalmatian Cardial pottery people were far from being classical farmers to being with..
Going by the region would you say I5769 was possibly part of the Moesi? They occupied roughly the same area

Valerius
13-03-19, 16:59
Let's call this guy a Thra-Slav:

Abscisse (x-axis): 477 pixel, Ordonnée (y-axis): 262 pixel


https://i.imgur.com/bsziOQy.png

Quite interesting. I am postitioned just next to Thra-Slav and no wonder since Gedmatch is modeling me usually as 50% South Italy and 50% Belarus/Poland
https://i.ibb.co/0cS4Lss/B5020-C72-A68-C-45-DF-BB13-63543-D5-C3-EEA.jpg (https://ibb.co/px8VThh)

mihaitzateo
13-03-19, 19:31
There were no Slavs neither East Germanics in 400-500 BC in Bulgaria.
So this guy should have been a Thracian and the other guys, from Iron Age samples from Balkans, posted by Tomenable, which are close to current North Italy and Iberia populations, are Thraco-Celts, I think.
They also score plenty of North Atlantic admixture.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37981-Bronze-Age-Balkan-DNA
So lol, originally Celts from Balkans had lots of North Atlantic and some Baltic admixture.
Very interesting.

bigsnake49
15-03-19, 13:57
My family has lived in Thrace as far as I know forever. My Y haplogroup according to LivingDNA is R1b-M269. I suspect that those Celts that were roaming around the Balkans in the 3-4th century BC might be my ancestors. My coordinates are 556 and 335.Where does that put me on that map?

td120
15-03-19, 23:35
Just NE of Thessaly. Open the plot in Paint,go to View and check the boxes of Gridlines and Rulers. Follow the coordinates in the lower left corner as you move the cursor to pinpoint the exact location.


http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

bigsnake49
16-03-19, 00:07
Just NE of Thessaly. Open the plot in Paint,go to View and check the boxes of Gridlines and Rulers. Follow the coordinates in the lower left corner as you move the cursor to pinpoint the exact location.


http://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

Thanks, I really and truly appreciate it. Yeah but very close to Thessaly. I wonder which side of the family is closer to the Thessalian Greeks. I am willing to bet my father's side.

voloh
04-07-19, 13:18
more ancient samples from the Balkans and Hungary.

https://imgur.com/wQIl8kD
https://i.imgur.com/wQIl8kD.png

ancient samples from all of Europe.

https://i.imgur.com/QYl4jjM.png

Krum
07-07-19, 04:39
The latest study on mitochondrial DNA from Thracian paleogenetic material and Proto-Bulgarian from pagan burials 8-10 century The survey was conducted in 2016. in Florentine University, whose laboratory is specialized in the study of the paleogenetic material. The tables of the report show the mitochondrial hippology of the respective samples of Proto-Bulgarian and Thracian genetic material, as well as a comparison of paleo DNA with that of 36 modern European populations. Page 31, Table 2- Results from the Bulgarian probes tested. Page 32, Table 3-Results from Thracian samples. Page40, Table 10 - Number of individuals belonging to mDNA hippocarpins and subgroups in the samples of 37 populations included in the PCA analysis.Under number 37 - Proto-Bulgarian samples. Page 43, Table 11 - under number 37 - Thracian paleo-probes. The comparison is made between the results of the study of Proto-Bulgarians, Thracians and 37 populations from Europe and Asia. The comparison is based on 22 halo logs (H *,H5, HV0, HV, R0a, JT, U1, U2e, U3, U4, U5a, U5b, U6, U7, U8, U *, K, N1, N2, X, M and L). Samples of proto-Bulgarians and Thracians in this analysis are grouped into a single table, the number and ratio of halo logs not changing. Table 12 lists 36 populations from Europe and Asia with which they are compared
Proto-Bulgarians and Thracians. Discuss the data obtained from the PCA (Principal Component Analysis) analysis of the results of all samples
The comparative analysis between Proto-Bulgarians, Thracians and contemporary Bulgarians shows their position among the populations of Europe and Asia. The graph of the PCA analysis (Figure 32) indicates where the populations are and their proximity to other populations. The Proto-Bulgarians are in close proximity to the modern Bulgarians, which confirms theirs
kinship and continuity. In the immediate vicinity are Croats, Hungarians and the population of Central Italy. In close proximity are Romanians, Northern Italians, southern Italians, Sicilians and Greeks. They are distant from the Thracians, showing a lack of kinship and continuity between them according to the initial data on the Thracians. The Proto-Bulgarians are also remote from Turks, Tatars, Chuvashi, Udmurti, Comi, Bashkir, Morvini and others. There is also a lack of proximity to Northern and Eastern Europe. The Thracians are close to Austrians, Slovenes, Bosnians. They are distant from Turks, Tatars, Chuvashi, Udmurti, Comi, Bashkir, Morvini and others. http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/...8Kg52O3V_mLgMs (http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/booksBG/AVTOREFERAT%20Desislava%20Nesheva.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1 G4J8mtGvl33MphnGX69sZHa2SLNOEQJCoodbaZPuXE8Kg52O3V _mLgMs)

RagnarofMacedon
25-08-19, 22:28
How this IronAge Montenegro sample on dna.land have 64% Slavic.
11341

MOESAN
29-08-19, 19:48
"slavic" DNA in these analysis (rather rough) doesn't mean true Slavic ancestry, IMO, but perhaps an ancestry close the Slavs one, what is not exactly the same? IA saw a lot of moves of big and small bands, I think. But this could point to a far enough place of origin.

Dibran
30-08-19, 03:14
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Plotted me and my father. I am the blue dot and my father is the green dot right under me.

https://i.postimg.cc/W44zbS5q/dibrank15.png

ihype02
23-01-20, 12:32
It turns out the Slavic occupation was not that exaggerated by the Byzantines as some would argue.

ihype02
23-01-20, 16:32
Even Thracians plot southwest of modern Thessalians, imagine what distance ancient Macedonians and ancient Thessalians will have with modern Thessalians and modern Greek Macedonians in PCA. I guess Byzantines didn't describe Thessaloniki as a Roman island in Slavic sea for no reason.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Vlachia

So much for South Slavs being little ''Slavic''. The genetic science does wonders.

Angela
23-01-20, 17:41
Plotted me and my father. I am the blue dot and my father is the green dot right under me.

https://i.postimg.cc/W44zbS5q/dibrank15.png


Sorry for the late response; I just saw this. Very interesting.

What program was used?

I asked because based on the work we're doing on the Vahaduo site I don't think the "Illyrian" samples would plot there (i.e. so close to the Spanish samples), although I didn't do a PCA. The Iron Age "Thracian" was described in the original paper as "Tuscan" like. Actually, it looks more to me like Lazio or Campania, but the paper only used 1000 genomes, so obviously Tuscan was the closest they could come.

As for using this sample to judge the amount of "Slavic" ancestry in the Balkans, I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. By that I mean that this particular "Thracian" might not have been "typical", or at least not all Iron Age Thracians were like him. They might have been, or they might not have been. My recollection is that the Bronze Age samples from that region plot further "north". Did they just pass through, or did they stay and really influence the genetics of a lot of people. The only pretty accurate way to know how much influence the Slavic migrations had is, imo, to get more than one, and hopefully a scattered sample of people from the Balkans from the Imperial Era and then compare them to modern people. I don't think it can be some huge amount of Slavi given how much Neolithic and CHG/Iranian like or what used to be called "West Asian" there still is in the Balkans, but time will tell.



Distance to:
IllyrianDalmatian_I3313


3.56275646
Italy_Lombardy


4.78770749
Italy_Emilia


4.93995082
Italy_Liguria


5.14574766
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5.39127537
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6.07536254
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6.54086099
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7.53474883
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8.14842046
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8.45013349
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8.57974941
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9.78872702
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.74627933
Italy_Marche


12.03777155
Italy_Lazio


12.29336406
Albanian_North


12.42080915
Albanian_Kosovo


14.46197428
Baleares


16.46757724
Galicia


17.19215810
Extremadura


17.51714611
Italy_Abruzzo


18.13725448
Portuguese


18.50866554
Murcia


18.86604092
Andalucia


19.05735291
Greek


19.22266111
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Dibran
23-01-20, 18:00
Sorry for the late response; I just saw this. Very interesting.

What program was used?

I asked because based on the work we're doing on the Vahaduo site I don't think the "Illyrian" samples would plot there (i.e. so close to the Spanish samples), although I didn't do a PCA. The Iron Age "Thracian" was described in the original paper as "Tuscan" like. Actually, it looks more to me like Lazio or Campania, but the paper only used 1000 genomes, so obviously Tuscan was the closest they could come.

As for using this sample to judge the amount of "Slavic" ancestry in the Balkans, I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. By that I mean that this particular "Thracian" might not have been "typical", or at least not all Iron Age Thracians were like him. They might have been, or they might not have been. My recollection is that the Bronze Age samples from that region plot further "north". Did they just pass through, or did they stay and really influence the genetics of a lot of people. The only pretty accurate way to know how much influence the Slavic migrations had is, imo, to get more than one, and hopefully a scattered sample of people from the Balkans from the Imperial Era and then compare them to modern people. I don't think it can be some huge amount of Slavi given how much Neolithic and CHG/Iranian like or what used to be called "West Asian" there still is in the Balkans, but time will tell.



Distance to:
IllyrianDalmatian_I3313


3.56275646
Italy_Lombardy


4.78770749
Italy_Emilia


4.93995082
Italy_Liguria


5.14574766
Italy_Veneto


5.39127537
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6.07536254
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6.54086099
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7.53474883
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8.14842046
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8.45013349
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8.57974941
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9.78872702
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.74627933
Italy_Marche


12.03777155
Italy_Lazio


12.29336406
Albanian_North


12.42080915
Albanian_Kosovo


14.46197428
Baleares


16.46757724
Galicia


17.19215810
Extremadura


17.51714611
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18.13725448
Portuguese


18.50866554
Murcia


18.86604092
Andalucia


19.05735291
Greek


19.22266111
Castilla_Y_Leon




Hey. If I remember correctly(posted some time ago) I believe its the K15 PCA. So, I believe it may not be accurate now that G25 is available.

I think its merely a mix-up of certain components, shifting samples to and fro. For example a half Lebanese, half Polish person from TA came out "Romanian" on Gedmatch. Perhaps due to similar components pulling them closer.

Taking this into account, and as some theorize that Slavs may have already been close to the Danube; it is possible not all the Neolithic/Southern like admixture in Slavs is from the Balkans or even vice versa(depending upon their impact). They may have already had significant Southern-like admixture. Which would mean some of the Neolithic may be from Slavs to. Doubtful they were strictly steppe ANE.

What Vahaduo calc is that by the way? I would like to run mine and see.

Angela
23-01-20, 18:12
Hey. If I remember correctly(posted some time ago) I believe its the K15 PCA. So, I believe it may not be accurate now that G25 is available.

I think its merely a mix-up of certain components, shifting samples to and fro. For example a half Lebanese, half Polish person from TA came out "Romanian" on Gedmatch. Perhaps due to similar components pulling them closer.

Taking this into account, and as some theorize that Slavs may have already been close to the Danube; it is possible not all the Neolithic/Southern like admixture in Slavs is from the Balkans or even vice versa(depending upon their impact). They may have already had significant Southern-like admixture. Which would mean some of the Neolithic may be from Slavs to. Doubtful they were strictly steppe ANE.

What Vahaduo calc is that by the way? I would like to run mine and see.

That particular one is the updated K12b. I just input that particular sample as the target.

Dibran
23-01-20, 19:04
That particular one is the updated K12b. I just input that particular sample as the target.
Ahh I see. I wiped my Gedmatch after the new law/update. Probably should have saved my coordinates for Vahaduo first lol.

ihype02
23-01-20, 19:34
Ancient Balkanites before the Slavs were extremely close to Italians. This is not the first time were ancient people of Balkans end close to modern Italians. They were probably nearly indentical in antiquity.

ihype02
23-01-20, 20:37
Sorry for the late response; I just saw this. Very interesting.

What program was used?

I asked because based on the work we're doing on the Vahaduo site I don't think the "Illyrian" samples would plot there (i.e. so close to the Spanish samples), although I didn't do a PCA. The Iron Age "Thracian" was described in the original paper as "Tuscan" like. Actually, it looks more to me like Lazio or Campania, but the paper only used 1000 genomes, so obviously Tuscan was the closest they could come.

As for using this sample to judge the amount of "Slavic" ancestry in the Balkans, I don't think that's necessarily a good idea. By that I mean that this particular "Thracian" might not have been "typical", or at least not all Iron Age Thracians were like him. They might have been, or they might not have been. My recollection is that the Bronze Age samples from that region plot further "north". Did they just pass through, or did they stay and really influence the genetics of a lot of people. The only pretty accurate way to know how much influence the Slavic migrations had is, imo, to get more than one, and hopefully a scattered sample of people from the Balkans from the Imperial Era and then compare them to modern people. I don't think it can be some huge amount of Slavi given how much Neolithic and CHG/Iranian like or what used to be called "West Asian" there still is in the Balkans, but time will tell.



Distance to:
IllyrianDalmatian_I3313


3.56275646
Italy_Lombardy


4.78770749
Italy_Emilia


4.93995082
Italy_Liguria


5.14574766
Italy_Veneto


5.39127537
Italy_Piedmont


6.07536254
Italy_Tuscany


6.54086099
Swiss_Italian


7.53474883
Italy_Trentino


8.14842046
France_Corsica


8.45013349
Italy_FriuliVG


8.57974941
Italy_Romagna


9.78872702
Italy_Aosta_Valley


11.74627933
Italy_Marche


12.03777155
Italy_Lazio


12.29336406
Albanian_North


12.42080915
Albanian_Kosovo


14.46197428
Baleares


16.46757724
Galicia


17.19215810
Extremadura


17.51714611
Italy_Abruzzo


18.13725448
Portuguese


18.50866554
Murcia


18.86604092
Andalucia


19.05735291
Greek


19.22266111
Castilla_Y_Leon




The result of the Thracian sample fits the rhyme with most ancient Balkan samples as in being significantly more south-western shifted towards Italy and this result can only be attributed to the Slavic invasion. But seeing some other samples in that map really disappointed me (very close to Spain, Hungary etc) it does not look to me a very accurate presentation. I would rather not come up with conclusions until more data gives enough information.

Angela
23-01-20, 20:55
The result of the Thracian sample fits the rhyme with most ancient Balkan samples as in being significantly more south-western shifted towards Italy and this result can only be attributed to the Slavic invasion. But seeing some other samples in that map really disappointed me (very close to Spain, Hungary etc) it does not look to me a very accurate presentation. I would rather not come up with conclusions until more data gives enough information.

Since the PCA is based on K15, I agree.

kingjohn
02-02-20, 18:59
today modern bulgarians
score % in central euro
and east central euro elements in eurogenes k36
contrary to this iron age thracian woman ......... ( which is expected as those elements were very likely brought by slavic invaders to east balkan region )
it is a very cool sample :)

ihype02
18-03-20, 21:44
Tomenable, can you run modern Bulgarians in calculator to show Thracian vs West Ukrainian difference in terms of ancestry, please. Can you do the same for Croats and bronze age Dalmatians.

MOESAN
19-03-20, 01:10
The result of the Thracian sample fits the rhyme with most ancient Balkan samples as in being significantly more south-western shifted towards Italy and this result can only be attributed to the Slavic invasion. But seeing some other samples in that map really disappointed me (very close to Spain, Hungary etc) it does not look to me a very accurate presentation. I would rather not come up with conclusions until more data gives enough information.

By the way, a 1956 craniologic report by Charles concerning ChalcoL in Italy, said that two models were in competition, one more southern, "mediterranean", surely Helladic mediated, and one more "northern", where newcomers showed, according to his typology and means (not fully described by him it's true), close ties with the Balkanic pop of the time, he labelled as "balkano-mediterranean"; people he supposed come by land, so through N-East Italy. But he is (or was) not an archeologist.

MOESAN
19-03-20, 18:21
I wrote 'helladic', but it's aventurous?

kuzmosi
01-09-20, 20:28
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Top 98 % match vs all users



136. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.17 - I12515
Top 86 % match vs all users



137. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.2 - I2644
Top 93 % match vs all users



138. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.22 - I7424
Top 90 % match vs all users



139. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.34 - SZ37
Top 88 % match vs all users



140. Imperial Rome Centocelle
190 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.41 - R50
Top 96 % match vs all users



141. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.43 - I10373
Top 99 % match vs all users



142. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.44 - I4055
Top 90 % match vs all users



143. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra
99 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.45 - R39
Top 97 % match vs all users



144. Guanche Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - gun006
Top 98 % match vs all users



145. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.64 - I3123
Top 99 % match vs all users



146. Imperial Rome Viale Rossini
75 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.74 - R80
Top 99 % match vs all users



147. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
1860 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.77 - I3124
Top 99 % match vs all users



148. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.87 - R113
Top 97 % match vs all users



149. Neolithic Menneville France
5050 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.92 - MDV248
Top 99 % match vs all users



150. Minoan Lasithi
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.96 - I0070
Top 99 % match vs all users



151. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.98 - SI-41
Top 90 % match vs all users



152. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.06 - MJ12
Top 90 % match vs all users



153. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.18 - I12516
Top 90 % match vs all users



154. Hellenic Roman / Cretan
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.19 - CL38
Top 94 % match vs all users



155. Hellenic Roman Marcellino
400 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - R134
Top 96 % match vs all users



156. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.31 - I8204
Top 97 % match vs all users



157. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.42 - I7498
Top 88 % match vs all users



158. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.42 - I7042
Top 99 % match vs all users



159. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.43 - I3585
Top 89 % match vs all users



160. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1120 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.53 - I2514
Top 82 % match vs all users



161. Schwindratzheim Neolithic France
5100 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.58 - Schw432
Top 99 % match vs all users



162. Anatolian Roman ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.71 - R72
Top 98 % match vs all users



163. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.75 - IKI024
Top 98 % match vs all users



164. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.87 - R1285
Top 93 % match vs all users



165. Minoan Lasithi
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.88 - I0074
Top 99 % match vs all users



166. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.89 - R55
Top 66 % match vs all users



167. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.95 - I12514
Top 73 % match vs all users



168. Anatolian Roman Casale del Dolce
288 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.07 - R126
Top 96 % match vs all users



169. Anatolian Roman Marcellino
400 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - R130
Top 96 % match vs all users



170. Ashkelon Philistine Minoan
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - ASH067_ASH_IA1
Top 99 % match vs all users



171. Hellenic/Anatolian Roman ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.14 - R66
Top 97 % match vs all users



172. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.22 - I12644
Top 91 % match vs all users



173. Anatolian Roman Isola Sacra
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.25 - R43
Top 96 % match vs all users



174. Copper Age Anatolia
3800 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.25 - I0184
Top 96 % match vs all users



175. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.27 - CL30
Top 94 % match vs all users



176. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.27 - scy300
Top 90 % match vs all users



177. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.32 - I3982
Top 91 % match vs all users



178. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.44 - I7041
Top 93 % match vs all users



179. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.5 - OBS110 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



180. Early Bronze Age Castellucciana Sicily
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.51 - I7774
Top 99 % match vs all users



181. Bronze Age Anatolia
2650 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.55 - I2499
Top 98 % match vs all users



182. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - R121
Top 95 % match vs all users



183. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - R33
Top 78 % match vs all users



184. Neolithic Rosheim France
4600 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.78 - ROS78
Top 99 % match vs all users



185. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.8 - SLC1006 ?
Top 50 % match vs all users



186. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.88 - I7457
Top 94 % match vs all users



187. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.96 - OBS137 ?
Top 57 % match vs all users



188. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.99 - IKI020
Top 97 % match vs all users



189. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.01 - MSR003
Top 97 % match vs all users



190. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.08 - NS3b
Top 80 % match vs all users



191. Philistine Outlier Roman Marcellino
230 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.12 - R132
Top 98 % match vs all users



192. Neolithic Greece
4000 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.14 - Klei10
Top 99 % match vs all users



193. Neolithic Bergheim France
4100 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.21 - BERG157-7
Top 99 % match vs all users



194. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.24 - I3313
Top 57 % match vs all users



195. Justinian Plague Victim
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.3 - LSD021 ?
Top 85 % match vs all users



196. Hittite Anatolia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.3 - MA2208
Top 96 % match vs all users



197. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.4 - I3499
Top 84 % match vs all users



198. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.49 - VIL007
Top 99 % match vs all users



199. Ahskelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.54 - ASH135_ASH_IA2
Top 98 % match vs all users



200. Guanche Canary Islands
960 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.56 - gun005
Top 98 % match vs all users



201. Schwindratzheim Neolithic France
5000 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - Sch72-15
Top 99 % match vs all users



202. Neolithic Rosheim France
4600 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.72 - ROS45
Top 99 % match vs all users



203. Crusader Knight Georgian / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - SI-38
Top 97 % match vs all users



204. Anatolia Bronze Age
1625 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - I2495
Top 96 % match vs all users



205. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.79 - CL94
Top 40 % match vs all users



206. Neolithic Rosheim France
4600 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - ROS102
Top 99 % match vs all users



207. Carthaginian Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.89 - VIL010
Top 99 % match vs all users



208. Neolithic Anatolia
6300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.9 - I0746
Top 99 % match vs all users



209. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.92 - IKI019
Top 97 % match vs all users



210. Ashkelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - ASH2-3_ASH_IA1
Top 97 % match vs all users



211. Carthaginian Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - VIL011
Top 99 % match vs all users



212. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.15 - IKI002
Top 95 % match vs all users



213. Neolithic Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - I0172
Top 99 % match vs all users



214. Guanche Canary Islands
1090 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.39 - gun002
Top 99 % match vs all users



215. Sicily Buffa Bronze Age
1570 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - I4109
Top 99 % match vs all users



216. Anatolian Roman ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.66 - R71
Top 96 % match vs all users



217. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.68 - IKI034
Top 96 % match vs all users



218. Roman Empire Casale del Dolce
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.77 - R128
Top 95 % match vs all users



219. Anatolian Roman Viale Rossini
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.84 - R76
Top 94 % match vs all users



220. Hittite Anatolia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.96 - MA2206
Top 96 % match vs all users



221. Iron Age Buerckelmatt Nordhouse France
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - NOR4
Top 39 % match vs all users



222. Roman Outlier Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.03 - R1550
Top 95 % match vs all users



223. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.06 - I3122
Top 99 % match vs all users



224. Neolithic Anatolia
6300 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.07 - I0709
Top 99 % match vs all users



225. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.07 - R1015
Top 93 % match vs all users



226. Minoan Lasithi
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.13 - I0073
Top 99 % match vs all users



227. Iron Age Erstein France
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.21 - ERS88
Top 75 % match vs all users



228. Roman Soldier Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.23 - FN_2
Top 51 % match vs all users



229. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.33 - I10853
Top 85 % match vs all users



230. Anatolian Roman Viale Rossini
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.49 - R78
Top 96 % match vs all users



231. Achaemenid Empire Saifi Lebanon
468 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.54 - SFI-42
Top 94 % match vs all users



232. Guanche Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.6 - gun007
Top 91 % match vs all users



233. Neolithic Sicily
4850 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.68 - I4065
Top 99 % match vs all users



234. Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo
680 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.68 - SzKper239
Top 96 % match vs all users



235. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.97 - scy305
Top 67 % match vs all users



236. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.0 - I7002
Top 99 % match vs all users



237. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.07 - I7177
Top 99 % match vs all users



238. Anatolian Roman ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.18 - R70
Top 95 % match vs all users



239. Roman Era La Palma Sardinia
329 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.19 - I12223
Top 94 % match vs all users



240. Amorite Mix Alalakh
1685 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.24 - ALA023
Top 97 % match vs all users



241. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.34 - STR310
Top 24 % match vs all users



242. Ripa Biance Neolithic Italy
5275 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.38 - R17
Top 99 % match vs all users



243. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.4 - R473
Top 89 % match vs all users



244. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.46 - I4893
Top 99 % match vs all users



245. Neolithic Sicily
4850 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.46 - I4063
Top 99 % match vs all users



246. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.48 - IKI009
Top 96 % match vs all users



247. Amorite Alalakh
1685 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.51 - ALA084
Top 95 % match vs all users



248. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.59 - CL23
Top 58 % match vs all users



249. Iron Age North Sardinia
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.6 - I16163
Top 97 % match vs all users



250. Bronze Age Anatolia
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.62 - I2683
Top 95 % match vs all users