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Carlos
23-07-20, 18:45
I never open links from emails. There are many scams with emails from Pay Pal e.t.c.

If Gedmatch has been outwitted, it means they can find me now.

What can I do, where am I going to go with all this from Covid?

Salento
23-07-20, 20:27
@Duarte ... cool Jaguar ... I guess you’re in stalking mode now, who’s your target ? :grin:

Palermo Trapani
23-07-20, 20:30
Duarte: Yep, that is the same message I got.

Duarte
23-07-20, 21:16
@Duarte ... cool Jaguar ... I guess you’re in stalking mode now, who’s your target ? :grin:

lol :laughing:
Jaguar is a word that came out of Tupi-Guarani, a language spoken by the indigenous people who lived in the Atlantic region of Brazil. It means "beast". This video shows an ounce of the wetland slaughtering a caiman of almost three meters. Amazing.


https://youtu.be/zYxrtmqV4wA

Salento
23-07-20, 21:53
lol :laughing:
Jaguar is a word that came out of Tupi-Guarani, a language spoken by the indigenous people who lived in the Atlantic region of Brazil. It means "beast". This video shows an ounce of the wetland slaughtering a caiman of almost three meters. Amazing.


https://youtu.be/zYxrtmqV4wA

wow, interesting, amazing ‘beast’ Jaguar :)

Duarte
24-07-20, 03:43
wow, interesting, amazing ‘beast’ Jaguar :)

Scary beauty.:petrified::grin::laughing:


https://youtu.be/RDAe3eILtxA

Hawk
25-07-20, 23:48
I see that they have upgraded their technology stack, they are using Vue.js as JavaScript framework. I see improvements in this direction.

Joey37
27-07-20, 02:54
I find it amazing I have Cheddar Man as a Deep Dive match; I have a great-great-great-grandmother from the West Country, her and her mother from Wiltshire, her father from Bath not far from Cheddar. And also because of the phenotype change-he looks more like my Micmac ancestors than my English ancestors!

Palermo Trapani
27-07-20, 03:59
I find it amazing I have Cheddar Man as a Deep Dive match; I have a great-great-great-grandmother from the West Country, her and her mother from Wiltshire, her father from Bath not far from Cheddar. And also because of the phenotype change-he looks more like my Micmac ancestors than my English ancestors!

Wow, congrats, that is a match with a WHG. I think your the first one here that I have seen with a deep dive WHG match.

Salento
28-07-20, 03:27
Wow, congrats, that is a match with a WHG. I think your the first one here that I have seen with a deep dive WHG match.

@PT Cheddar Man (not Wisconsin) ☺ England 7150 BC, GEDmatch kit # NW6414429
(credit to @Tomenable)

Q-Matching S vs Cheddar Man:

Total cM 46 - Largest Segment cM 2

https://i.imgur.com/suHCxyg.jpg


https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37954-Cheddar-Man-Mesolithic-Britain-GEDmatch-results

Palermo Trapani
28-07-20, 06:47
@PT Cheddar Man (not Wisconsin) ☺ England 7150 BC, GEDmatch kit # NW6414429
(credit to @Tomenable)

Q-Matching S vs Cheddar Man:

Total cM 46 - Largest Segment cM 2

https://i.imgur.com/suHCxyg.jpg


https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37954-Cheddar-Man-Mesolithic-Britain-GEDmatch-results

Salento: Hey, very, very good, 46 CM's that is really good for a Ancient European over 9,000 years old. I wonder if MyTrueancestry has been allowed to get access to those European Hunter Gather samples. Would be really neat to see how they show up there.

Good one, yes, guess he is not a Packers fan, more of UK style football team, or as Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall from the music video says, I am going to buy me a Fuutttball team!

Palermo Trapani
28-07-20, 06:49
Salento: thanks for the Cheddar man link, first time I have seen that thread.

Salento
28-07-20, 14:13
Salento: thanks for the Cheddar man link, first time I have seen that thread.

You’re Welcome, ... :)

Carlos
28-07-20, 16:13
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tJTdMMry23k/XyAx7k3kQTI/AAAAAAAAEW0/2CAQiRND8j8oeYWKPlH5gl2L8oKxR8h2ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/CheddarManEngland.jpeg

I also get Cheddar man but in MTA I don't get it. Does MTA have corrals? Here I get pens and there I am denied why?

Palermo Trapani
28-07-20, 17:26
Carlos: Good results in Post 3011. I asked the same question, not sure MTA has Cheddar's DNA kit. There site clearly indicates that are constantly updating their sample database, it would be neat if they had a section with a link that you can click and see what ancient samples are in their database.

Carlos
28-07-20, 18:20
Carlos: Good results in Post 3011. I asked the same question, not sure MTA has Cheddar's DNA kit. There site clearly indicates that are constantly updating their sample database, it would be neat if they had a section with a link that you can click and see what ancient samples are in their database.

As I said, they have many samples in queue since their system as we see is the weekly emotion. If they gave all the samples at once it would not be MTA.


Cheddar man I think it came out a long time ago, as I recall it was obtained by the British and North Americans.

Palermo Trapani
30-07-20, 02:33
As I said, they have many samples in queue since their system as we see is the weekly emotion. If they gave all the samples at once it would not be MTA.


Cheddar man I think it came out a long time ago, as I recall it was obtained by the British and North Americans.

Carlos, well said, still it is one of my favorite sites and a very useful DNA site and tool.

Carlos
31-07-20, 03:30
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-69tLF6gN690/XyNzly2a21I/AAAAAAAAEXM/6DVHlV0tl0AG2NHA6H-Al0EMgfazP-kSgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AncientDeepDiveBreakdownJULIO2020.jpeg

This is new

Salento
31-07-20, 04:43
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-69tLF6gN690/XyNzly2a21I/AAAAAAAAEXM/6DVHlV0tl0AG2NHA6H-Al0EMgfazP-kSgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AncientDeepDiveBreakdownJULIO2020.jpeg

This is new

@Carlos nice ... I see a Pope / Saint with the Crucifix, ... :grin:


https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39756-New-Coronavirus-in-China?p=609638&viewfull=1#post609638

Carlos
31-07-20, 09:44
@Carlos nice ... I see a Pope / Saint with the Crucifix, ... :grin:


https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/39756-New-Coronavirus-in-China?p=609638&viewfull=1#post609638

A god begging and with the hammer giving

Old Spanish proverb

Salento
31-07-20, 14:00
A god begging and with the hammer giving

Old Spanish proverb

Nothing will crash my huge Spirit :satisfied:

It’s not my place to criticize whatever gives personal comfort and hope to somebody :)

Carlos
01-08-20, 00:30
Nothing will crash my huge Spirit :satisfied:

It’s not my place to criticize whatever gives personal comfort and hope to somebody :)

Of course, of course


I speak for myself or for life, I never mean anyone in particular outside of me.

Carlos
08-08-20, 16:45
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MRWUWKuZMIc/Xy64Jo07EiI/AAAAAAAAEZA/srF6qJvYYoI8icT2lsRBYsyFBK6hwbGAwCLcBGAsYHQ/w402-h355/RoscoDeepDiveAncient.jpeg

My New Breakdown Deep Dive Ancient

The Deep Dive with Phoenician corresponds to the Ballytanaty a sample of the neolithic show but it seems somewhat anachronistic to me so you have to use your imagination

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pTq44f1WBQQ/XiRIW_628gI/AAAAAAAACVs/cC60SYEj2W8Fl9fUm_U4LYPapZOJ6wV5ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/NeolithicIrelandBallythany.jpg

Jovialis
21-08-20, 22:38
I am not actually close to any of my top 10 samples, especially R1548. There are other ancient samples I should be closer to:

https://i.imgur.com/iYf8riY.png

1. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.889 - R1548
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomans.pngCulture: RomanMonterotondo is located northwest of Rome along the Via Salaria and located in an important defensive position for the city. Early evidence for habitation of the site dates back to the late Bronze Age and it has been suggested that it is heir to the Sabine town of Eretum, mentioned by Virgil in the Aeneid and other ancient writers. The individuals in the study from Monerotonodo are from Roman occupation of the site in the Imperial period.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




2. Hellenic Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.619 - SZ40 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotLateRoman.pngCulture: Post-RomanSzolad, is located in present-day Hungary. There are 45 graves, all of which are dated to the middle third of the sixth century based on a combination of stylistic elements of the grave goods and radiocarbon dating (2-sigma range of 412-604 AD). Archeological, stable isotope, and mtDNA (HVS-1) analyses suggested that Szolad was occupied for only 20-30 years by a migrating group of Longobard-era settlers. The female to male ratio is 0.65.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




3. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.685 - R65
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotItalyMedieval.pngCulture: Medieval ItalyThe Villa Magna (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/#) was a site occupied from the beginning of the first century by at least two Roman Villas - one of which was an Imperial one of extreme prestige which was visited by future emperor Marcus Aurelius who described his two days spent there in writings to his tutor. The estate was re-occupied in the 9th Century and in the 10th it was donated by some land owners of Anagni to the monastic order. The monastery grew in influence as evidenced by the addition of a cloister, a porch, a new apse and a grand cosmatesque pavement. However in 1297 it was suppressed by Bonifacio VIII which led to the monks leaving. The site remained occupied as did its funerary use. It was then transformed into a castrum under the control of the cathedral of Anagni and local noble families and once again abandoned in 1478.

This was a 8-10 year old child buried in a coffin. The grave can be seen here (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/#).Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




4. Hellenic Roman Marcellino
400 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.825 - R136
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomans.pngCulture: RomanThe catacombs of Santi Marcellino e Pietro (Saints Marcellinus and Peter) are located about 3 kilometers south of Rome. They consists of 4.5 km of underground tunnels spanning a large area. The burials in this study were excavated in 1958 and 1993 - over 20% of the individuals are infants and children with very few people of old age. This combined with their low values of stature suggest these people were subject to malnutrition.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




5. Hellenic Roman Casale del Dolce
145 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.223 - R123
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomans.pngCulture: RomanCasale del Dolce is located southeast of Rome above a limestone formation terrace near Anagni and was occupied from the Eneolithic Period to Late Antiquity. Archaeological investigations from 1995 to 1997 identified the necropolis from where our samples date back to the Roman Imperial period. Isotopic analysis shows a relatively low amount of meat consumption at the site, with a few outlier individuals appear to be consuming high amounts of marine resources.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




6. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.246 - I3404
Top 99 % match vs all users
Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




7. Hellenic Roman / Cretan
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.26 - CL38
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomans.pngCulture: Late RomanCollegno is near Turin in northern Italy. The graveyard covers the earliest period of the Longobard kingdom in Italy and contains 57 graves dating from 580 to 630 AD. The types and range of grave goods in these 57 interments include high quality goods similiar to those found in the Longobard graveyard in Szolad, Hungary. However there is also evidence for a gradual cultural and religious evolution, with some practices disappearing in later decades. While there are no ledged graves, some are constructed via a wooden chamber structure, and there is the skeleton of a horse (missing a head).Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




8. Roman Imperial Palestrina
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.29 - R436
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomansF.pngCulture: LatinPraeneste (Palestrina), located south of Rome, was one of the largest ancient cities in Iron Age Latium. It was home to the Praenesti tribe. Praeneste was originally part of the Latin League but left to form an alliance with Rome. After Rome was sacked by the Gauls in the 4th century BC, Praeneste switched sides again and fought against Rome in the Latin Wars. After defeat by the Rome, Praeneste was incorporated into the growing Roman territory. Numerous artifacts were found showing strong trade links Praeneste had across the Mediterranean, such as a silver bowl of Carthaginian or Phoenician origin decorated with hieroglyphic characters that served as a design motif.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




9. Hellenic Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.55 - R34
Top 99 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomans.pngCulture: RomanThe Mausoleum of Augustus (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/#), in the center of Rome, was initiated by Augustus following his naval victory against Marc Antony and Cleopatra. The mausoleum was circular and consisted of concentric rings of earth and brick. The structure was covered by a conical roof and a bronze statue of Augustus himself. A corridor ran from the entryway into the heart of the mausoleum where a chamber with three niches held the golden urns enshrining the ashes of the Imperial Family. In the 10th century, the mausoleum had become buried under earth and overgrown with trees and a chapel was built on top. A fortification was added and then dismantled and the land was used as a garden and passed through the ownership of several major Roman families throughout the Renaissance. Many famous Romans were buried here including Augustus's sister and grandsons, Emperor Caligula, Emperor Tiberius, Emperor Claudius, Emperor Nerva as well as many relatives and family members. The burial ground of the Mausoleum of Augustus was partly excavated in the years 1950-51. The cemetery complex found in the area of the Mausoleum of Augustus dates from the 5th or 6th century.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link




10. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.84 - R114
Top 98 % match vs all users https://www.eupedia.com/img/SpotRomansF.pngCulture: RomanIn 2014-16, a necropolis was uncovered in northern Rome, near Villa Borghese which is thought to be part of the immense Necropolis Salaria of ancient times. In this excavation many pit graves have been found including tombs with niches and shaped tombs including ollae and amophorae indicating incinerations. The skeletal remains of 88 individuals were found as well as many cremations. The inhumation burials are almost entirely north-south oriented and were probably wrapped in shrouds. The burials contain older adults in relatively poor condition.Closest AncientClosest ModernSimiliar SamplesHaplogroups (NEW!)PCA AncientPCA ModernResearch Link

Salento
22-08-20, 01:42
Skeleton Lake Traveller ???

I3403 (1805 AD) Y T1a2 (L131)
I3404 (1805 AD) mtDNA H12

I’m y T1a2... and mt H12a, ... and the samples are only a couple of 100s years old, ... Interesting:)


https://i.imgur.com/bP2WJ7z.jpg

Jovialis
22-08-20, 01:54
^^I match with a few of them too.

Salento
22-08-20, 01:59
^^I match with a few of them too.
it’s the first time that I have seen my mother’s general Haplogroup in a sample. What the heck were they doing so far away??

EDIT:

https://i.imgur.com/N6X2s51.jpg

Salento
22-08-20, 04:10
... after looking at the picture above (post #3022), bet you they got caught in a avalanche that they probably caused, ... I think.

Salento
22-08-20, 05:56
Modern Period:

all 1805 AD, all lost tourists, the top 2 samples are close to my Haplogroups.
... + their PCA,
imho they seem Italianici :)

... now I know where my spirit of adventure comes from, and why there are so few y Ts around, lol


https://i.imgur.com/zgp5L0c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/r0qJhiR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tRZMvQP.jpg

Palermo Trapani
22-08-20, 06:58
Hey Salento: Looks like I fell in that Ice hole in the Himalayas as well. How did these Italic/Hellenic folks get there? I have some close matches as well. Glad you all posted this, I haven't had much to post lately!!!

https://i.imgur.com/xjlMozo.jpg

Salento
22-08-20, 07:18
Hey Salento: Looks like I fell in that Ice hole in the Himalayas as well. How did these Italic/Hellenic folks get there? I have some close matches as well. Glad you all posted this, I haven't had much to post lately!!!

https://i.imgur.com/xjlMozo.jpg

Nobody knows, ... maybe they were Explorers.

What happened? ... maybe the lack of oxygen at that height, a natural disaster, but knowing me they probably froze to death :petrified:

Palermo Trapani
22-08-20, 15:35
Salento: Yes that height would cause problems for pretty much all modern humans, I think I read where the Tibetans due to some ancient Denisovan admixture gave them some genetic markers to live at high altitudes.

Carlos
22-08-20, 15:59
Medieval Age

5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.193 - I10895
Top
99 %
match vs all users



14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
Top
99 %
match vs all users



25. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
Top
99 %
match vs all users



26. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.72 - R63
Top
99 %
match vs all users



28. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
Top
97 %
match vs all users



30. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.94 - R1221
Top
96 %
match vs all users



58. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
Top
98 %
match vs all users



62. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.84 - R1289
Top
99 %
match vs all users



69. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - R55
Top
94 %
match vs all users



80. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - I8145
Top
99 %
match vs all users




Skeleton Lake Alan Outlier Worshipper

I3351 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M4

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Jb


Genetic Distance: 53.012
Sample Match! (New sample - try later to compare to other users)


I am from the distant lands of Alania, what an illusion. I want to be bad and terrible


And a new Deep Dive

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dzv6cs6GvME/X0Ej9tTVrgI/AAAAAAAAEaQ/mmA3nh63On8e4Qs1c9RQXTjYI-Yk2soFQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1311/CooperAgeAlburg-LerchenhaidStraubingBavariaI3590.jpg

Visigoth + Vascones (2.999)
Vascones + Gallo-Roman (3.92)
Visigoth + Latin (4.698)
Visigoth + Iberian (5.093)
Vascones + Latin (5.212)
Visigoth (5.28)
Vascones (6.39)
Iberian (7.048)
Gallo-Roman (7.336)
Latin (7.727)

Duarte
22-08-20, 19:47
My consolidated results, after the latest updates

https://i.imgur.com/x7jXg4i.png
https://i.imgur.com/PVcHtL7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dyjzbWU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9pJl1Ad.png
https://i.imgur.com/oCaa5Q2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eZaEAOq.png
https://i.imgur.com/KcfUgtl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/avn9zaF.png
https://i.imgur.com/wBNkQd9.jpg

torzio
23-08-20, 19:38
my latest ancient matches


12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043


35. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499


............................................



36. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.39 - I4332


42. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.0 - I4331



87. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 17.58 - I4885

Palermo Trapani
23-08-20, 20:56
Modern Period:

all 1805 AD, all lost tourists, the top 2 samples are close to my Haplogroups.
... + their PCA,
imho they seem Italianici :)

... now I know where my spirit of adventure comes from, and why there are so few y Ts around, lol


https://i.imgur.com/zgp5L0c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/r0qJhiR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tRZMvQP.jpg

Salento: Some Palermo Trapani's left for the Himalayas I guess before leaving for the USA in late 19th century. I3404 just loaded as a Deep Dive match at Mytrueancestry. Is there a published paper on these Hellenic samples (also genetic affinity with modern Italians and those us of us living outside of modern Italy who consider ourselves part of the Italian diaspora).

https://i.imgur.com/cJA5pYM.jpg

Salento
23-08-20, 23:36
I get a deep dive match with I3404 too,

according to NatGeo his mtDNA was found only in 0.1% of their participants :)

I saw an ad for ‘Secret in the Ice’ with the image of the lake, stay tuned, one of, these Thursdays Science Channel at 10 pm eastern :)


https://i.imgur.com/G2ugDnj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/25rsA36.jpg


Some shared Genetic Affinity with I3404 ...
https://i.imgur.com/dY1Dy3i.jpg


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702210/

Duarte
23-08-20, 23:55
I get a deep dive match with I3404 too,

according to NatGeo his mtDNA was found only in 0.1% of their participants :)

I saw an ad for ‘Secret in the Ice’ with the image of the lake, stay tuned, one of, these Thursdays Science Channel at 10 pm eastern :)


https://i.imgur.com/G2ugDnj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/25rsA36.jpg


Some shared Genetic Affinity with I3404 and others, I guess ...
https://i.imgur.com/dY1Dy3i.jpg


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6702210/

Very cool dear friend Salento.
I find it very interesting how the results of autosomal DNA can demonstrate so much genetic affinity between people who do not know each other personally and are not close relatives. I think very cool the ethnic similarity I have with Carlos and I also think very cool the ethnic similarity between you and Jovialis and PTrapani . Very cool also the ethinic similarity between Angela and Suvannè.

Salento
24-08-20, 00:10
Very cool dear friend Salento.
I find it very interesting how the results of autosomal DNA can demonstrate so much genetic affinity between people who do not know each other personally and are not close relatives. I think very cool the ethnic similarity I have with Carlos and I also think very cool the ethnic similarity between you and Jovialis and PTrapani . Very cool also the ethinic similarity between Angela and Suvannè.

besides sharing genetic affinities with each other, the most impressive fact is that we also share genetic affinity with many of the same Ancients :)

Palermo Trapani
24-08-20, 03:27
besides sharing genetic affinities with each other, the most impressive fact is that we also share genetic affinity with many of the same Ancients :)

Salento: that is really neat, you share a similar/same mtdna Haplogroup with I3404! Give me a heads up when you hear when the Science show is coming on, I definitely want to check it out.

Duarte: I have always enjoyed you and Carlos's post and have noticed you two share genetic affinities. I agree it is quite interesting that Salento, Jovialis, and I share not only genetic affinities but also as Salento noted, we all share genetic affinity with many of the same Ancient DNA samples. As you also noted, Angela and Stuvane share genetic affinities as well.

It for the facts noted above that this site has really proved to me a great resource to meet people and discuss, but also as another Tool so to speak to corroborate DNA results in terms of genetic affinity with modern populations, Ancients, etc, etc. BTW, that was one impressive Comprehensive summary of your MyTrueancestry results. Kudos and well done.

Cheers, PT

Duarte
24-08-20, 03:39
Salento: that is really neat, you share a similar/same mtdna Haplogroup with I4304! Give me a heads up when you hear when the Science show is coming on, I definitely want to check it out.

Duarte: I have always enjoyed you and Carlos's post and have noticed you two share genetic affinities. I agree it is quite interesting that Salento, Jovialis, and I share not only genetic affinities but also as Salento noted, we all share genetic affinity with many of the same Ancient DNA samples. As you also noted, Angela and Stuvane share genetic affinities as well.

It for the facts noted above that this site has really proved to me a great resource to meet people and discuss, but also as another Tool so to speak to corroborate DNA results in terms of genetic affinity with modern populations, Ancients, etc, etc. BTW, that was one impressive Comprehensive summary of your MyTrueancestry results. Kudos and well done.

Cheers, PT

Cheers PT :good_job::smile:

italouruguayan
24-08-20, 04:13
My affinities with the new Skeleton Lake samples:

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3348 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H1c
Genetic Distance: 27.387
Sample Match! 87% closer than other users

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3403 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d
Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)
Genetic Distance: 27.986
Sample Match! 85% closer than other users

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3404 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H12
Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)
Genetic Distance: 24.756
Sample Match! 85% closer than other users

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3405 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b
Genetic Distance: 30.576
Sample Match! 87% closer than other users

Skeleton Lake Alan Outlier Worshipper
I3351 (830 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: M4
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Jb
Genetic Distance: 49.564
Sample Match! (New sample - try later to compare to other users)

Palermo Trapani
24-08-20, 04:35
My affinities with the new Skeleton Lake samples:
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3348 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H1c
Genetic Distance: 27.387
Sample Match! 87% closer than other users
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3403 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d
Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)
Genetic Distance: 27.986
Sample Match! 85% closer than other users
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3404 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: H12
Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)
Genetic Distance: 24.756
Sample Match! 85% closer than other users
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3405 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b
Genetic Distance: 30.576
Sample Match! 87% closer than other users
Skeleton Lake Alan Outlier Worshipper
I3351 (830 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: M4
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Jb
Genetic Distance: 49.564
Sample Match! (New sample - try later to compare to other users)

Italouruguayan: Good results, seems like your results are consistent with Salento and my own. What part of Italy did your family immigrate to Uruguay from, if you don't mine me asking?


Cheers

italouruguayan
24-08-20, 05:23
Hello Palermo!
My paternal grandfather was born in Veneto, my paternal grandmother was of Ligurian origin, and my mother had a Neapolitan grand- grand father.

Regards!

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Palermo Trapani
24-08-20, 05:33
Hello Palermo!
My paternal grandfather was born in Veneto, my paternal grandmother was of Ligurian origin, and my mother had a Neapolitan grand- grand father.

Regards!

Sent from my SM-G9600 using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Ok, thanks for the information. Interesting, so you have some ancestry from NW Italy, NE Italy and also South of Rome. Your getting similar results to Salento, whose family is from Puglia and mine from Sicily. Thanks again, best regards to you as well.

Salento
24-08-20, 06:21
Salento: that is really neat, you share a similar/same mtdna Haplogroup with I3404! Give me a heads up when you hear when the Science show is coming on, I definitely want to check it out.

Duarte: I have always enjoyed you and Carlos's post and have noticed you two share genetic affinities. I agree it is quite interesting that Salento, Jovialis, and I share not only genetic affinities but also as Salento noted, we all share genetic affinity with many of the same Ancient DNA samples. As you also noted, Angela and Stuvane share genetic affinities as well.

It for the facts noted above that this site has really proved to me a great resource to meet people and discuss, but also as another Tool so to speak to corroborate DNA results in terms of genetic affinity with modern populations, Ancients, etc, etc. BTW, that was one impressive Comprehensive summary of your MyTrueancestry results. Kudos and well done.

Cheers, PT

I3404’s mtDNA and mine :smile: has a strong connection to Italy.

H12 and H12a:

https://i.imgur.com/DiS3VqL.jpg
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H12/



https://i.imgur.com/KTLhct0.jpg

Palermo Trapani
24-08-20, 07:53
Salento: Wow, that is really close. So I3404 not only on the PCA plot you showed, but also mtdna, is very, very, close to modern Italians. If I am reading your report correctly, also Greeks as well, which once again shows the genetic affinity between Italians and Greeks.

matty74
27-08-20, 00:12
My update:

1. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 2.425 - I3589
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Celtic Mix Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 4.462 - CL83 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users


3. Early Bronze Age Thames
1800 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.02 - I5377
Top 96 % match vs all users


4. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1104 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.065 - I7576
Top 99 % match vs all users


5. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.227 - I7269
Top 99 % match vs all users


6. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.297 - I2861
Top 96 % match vs all users


7. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1254 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.366 - I7577
Top 98 % match vs all users


8. St Marys Coffin Maryland
1683 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.432 - I2097
Top 98 % match vs all users


9. Medieval Upper Bavaria Germany
1068 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.441 - Petersberg
Top 99 % match vs all users


10. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.617 - PCA100_Mas13 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users


11. Bell Beaker Willington England
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.646 - I2452
Top 97 % match vs all users


12. Saxon Hinxton
720 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.708 - HinxtonO1
Top 90 % match vs all users


13. Merovingian Noble
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.739 - NS1
Top 98 % match vs all users


14. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.82 - G21
Top 95 % match vs all users


15. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.824 - I2859
Top 97 % match vs all users


16. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.957 - I7575
Top 97 % match vs all users


17. Bronze Age Biddenham Loop Bedfordshire England
1315 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.968 - I7627
Top 98 % match vs all users


18. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.968 - SZ15
Top 92 % match vs all users


19. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.03 - SZ42
Top 84 % match vs all users


20. Celtic Briton
1 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.111 - Hinxton 4
Top 96 % match vs all users


21. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.127 - HI2
Top 92 % match vs all users


22. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.165 - I4895
Top 97 % match vs all users


23. Bronze Age Raciborz-Stara Wies Poland
2170 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.167 - I6537
Top 89 % match vs all users


24. Bell Beaker England
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.262 - I1767
Top 84 % match vs all users


25. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.272 - BIS130
Top 97 % match vs all users


26. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.418 - I7287
Top 97 % match vs all users


27. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.463 - Linton
Top 89 % match vs all users


28. North Alpine Bronze Age
1812 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.524 - AITI_50
Top 98 % match vs all users


29. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.54 - I2573
Top 98 % match vs all users


30. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2542 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.605 - MX192
Top 95 % match vs all users


31. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.759 - G48
Top 87 % match vs all users


32. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age
67 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.788 - HI1
Top 84 % match vs all users


33. Viking Celtic Boat Burial Iceland
925 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.814 - VDP-A6
Top 93 % match vs all users


34. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.864 - 6DRIF-18
Top 92 % match vs all users


35. Medieval Denmark Odense
1223 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.888 - G749b
Top 94 % match vs all users


36. Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.894 - SZ25
Top 99 % match vs all users


37. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.947 - I7212
Top 95 % match vs all users


38. Bronze Age Amesbury
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.094 - I2458
Top 87 % match vs all users


39. Obernai Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.129 - OBE3626-1
Top 94 % match vs all users


40. Bronze Age Trumpington England
1330 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.182 - I7640
Top 98 % match vs all users


41. Bronze Age De Tuithoorn North Holland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.238 - I5750
Top 95 % match vs all users


42. Anglo Saxon
780 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.242 - Hinxton HS3
Top 95 % match vs all users


43. Late Medieval Gotlander
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.253 - Unknown
Top 91 % match vs all users


44. Bronze Age Orkney Islands
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.281 - I2981
Top 93 % match vs all users


45. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.288 - I7568
Top 86 % match vs all users


46. Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.302 - SSJ-A2
Top 98 % match vs all users


47. Bronze Age Biddenham Loop Bedfordshire England
1120 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.327 - I7578
Top 94 % match vs all users


48. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B
1448 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.33 - OSL9B
Top 91 % match vs all users


49. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.336 - CL92
Top 99 % match vs all users


50. Viking Saxon Iceland
1104 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.341 - TSK-A26
Top 93 % match vs all users


51. Middle Bronze Age England
1575 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.369 - I7573
Top 97 % match vs all users


52. Young Merovingian Noble
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.389 - NS6
Top 85 % match vs all users


53. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.392 - STR241
Top 99 % match vs all users


54. Bronze Age Prague Jinonice Czech
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.42 - I7196
Top 97 % match vs all users


55. Bell Beaker Southern France
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.498 - I3875
Top 90 % match vs all users


56. Celto-Germanic Lingolsheim Alsace
2335 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.531 - SX32
Top 93 % match vs all users


57. Stenchme Lop Ness Sanday Scotland
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.558 - I2981
Top 93 % match vs all users


58. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.653 - CL146
Top 96 % match vs all users


59. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.677 - SZ14
Top 95 % match vs all users


60. Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland
1683 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.69 - 2099
Top 98 % match vs all users


61. Food Vessel Scotland
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.723 - I5515
Top 96 % match vs all users


62. Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.729 - KNS-A1
Top 97 % match vs all users


63. Bell Beaker Scotland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.749 - I2568
Top 84 % match vs all users


64. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany
2325 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.76 - MX259
Top 84 % match vs all users


65. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.769 - I7290
Top 90 % match vs all users


66. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.793 - I7572
Top 97 % match vs all users


67. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.87 - SZ12
Top 99 % match vs all users


68. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.886 - I2653
Top 90 % match vs all users


69. Middle Bronze Age Dorset England
1446 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.896 - I3082
Top 98 % match vs all users


70. Germanic Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.932 - I8206
Top 98 % match vs all users


71. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria
485 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.98 - AED_249
Top 96 % match vs all users


72. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.004 - I7278
Top 84 % match vs all users


73. Medieval Denmark Revshale
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.031 - G154
Top 95 % match vs all users


74. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.042 - 6DRIF-23
Top 94 % match vs all users


75. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria
465 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.052 - NW_255
Top 97 % match vs all users


76. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.06 - CL84
Top 94 % match vs all users


77. Bronze Age Brassington Derbyshire England
2090 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.062 - I5373
Top 96 % match vs all users


78. Celto-Germanic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.078 - CL97
Top 95 % match vs all users


79. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.087 - ORE-A1
Top 85 % match vs all users


80. High Status Male Haunstetten
1946 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.103 - POST_6
Top 85 % match vs all users


81. Ireland Copper Age
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.115 - Rathlin2
Top 96 % match vs all users


82. Norwegian Viking Iceland
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.134 - STT-A2
Top 90 % match vs all users


83. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.141 - SZ4
Top 96 % match vs all users


84. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.149 - 97029
Top 97 % match vs all users


85. Bronze Age Oxfordshire England
2030 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.159 - I2445
Top 92 % match vs all users


86. Germanic Medieval Denmark Odense
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.228 - G1083b
Top 99 % match vs all users


87. Post Viking Denmark Tirup
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.265 - G300
Top 84 % match vs all users


88. Colonial American Pennsylvania
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.268 - Shohola
Top 84 % match vs all users


89. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland
2170 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.277 - SNPRA64
Top 90 % match vs all users


90. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer
1678 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.333 - KOV-A2
Top 83 % match vs all users


91. Bronze Age East Kent England
1785 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.337 - I2602
Top 89 % match vs all users


92. Cambridgeshire Iron Age
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.341 - 15594A
Top 82 % match vs all users


93. Alemannic Bavaria
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.342 - ALH_1
Top 85 % match vs all users


94. Ollsjo Battleaxe Sweden
2860 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.398 - oll007
Top 82 % match vs all users


95. Bronze Age Scottish Islands
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.411 - I5367
Top 94 % match vs all users


96. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.439 - GTE-A1
Top 82 % match vs all users


97. Medieval Denmark Tirup
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.458 - G189b
Top 98 % match vs all users


98. Zerniki Wielkie Bronze Age Poland
2175 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.461 - I6583
Top 85 % match vs all users


99. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.476 - GRS-A1
Top 93 % match vs all users


100. Iron Age Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.491 - COL11
Top 81 % match vs all users

matty74
27-08-20, 00:13
Viking + Celt (2.149)
Viking Danish + Vandal (3.46)
Celt + Saxon (3.622)
Celt + Vandal (3.737)
Viking + Saxon (3.995)
Celt (5.432)
Vandal (5.617)
Saxon (5.708)
Viking Danish (6.759)
Viking (7.302)

matty74
27-08-20, 00:15
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

I3348 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H1c


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Atlantic

I3401 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: W1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1ab


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

I3403 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d

Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

I3404 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H12

Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic

I3405 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Cyprian

I6935 (1805 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: ?


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Khmer Outlier

I6940 (1800 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M24a

Y-DNA Haplogroup: O1b1a1a1b (F789/M1283)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Mixed Worshipper

I2872 (870 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M3c2


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Indian-Hunnic Worshipper

I6938 (770 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2p


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I2868 (935 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M33d

Y-DNA Haplogroup: H1a2a1 (P80)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I7035 (930 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U7a2


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I7036 (885 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H13a2a

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I6946 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U8b1a1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I3343 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M3


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I3342 (870 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M3a2

Y-DNA Haplogroup: H1a1a4b (Z4361)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Punjabi Worshipper

I2871 (860 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M3c1a


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Pathan/Sindhi Worshipper

I3349 (860 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M5a


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Sindhi Worshipper

I6934 (840 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: ?


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Sindhi Worshipper

I3352 (785 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: HV14

Y-DNA Haplogroup: R2a3a2b2c


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Sindhi Worshipper

I3346 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M30c

Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1 (CTS19/M5053/PF1446)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Sindhi Worshipper

I3344 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U2c1


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Pathan Worshipper

I3406 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M30

Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2a1 (PF4610)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Sindhi-Hunnic Worshipper

I3407 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M3a1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: H1a1a4b (Z4361)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Sindhi Worshipper

I3402 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U1a1a

Y-DNA Haplogroup: H3b (Z13946)


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I6941 (940 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b1a1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Hindu Worshipper

I6942 (880 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: R30b2a

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Indian Mixed Worshipper

I6943 (725 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M3a1

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Indian Mixed Worshipper

I6944 (800 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U4d3


(You do not match this sample)

Skeleton Lake Alan Outlier Worshipper

I3351 (830 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: M4

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Jb


Genetic Distance: 57.548
Sample Match! (New sample - try later to compare to other users)

Duarte
27-08-20, 06:30
My consolidated results, after the latest updates

https://i.imgur.com/9pJl1Ad.png


Vahaduo Dodecad K12b Ancient spreadsheet

Distance to:
Duarte


6.29654667
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892


6.83142738
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895


7.15328596
EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585


7.40270896
I12516_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.51741312
I12514_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


7.79453013
R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.87062895
Roman-SoldierFN_2


7.96743999
EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981


7.98827891
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852


8.29628230
MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649


8.57093927
CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40


8.65500433
I3982_SE_Iberia_c.3-4CE


8.79383307
I7675_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


8.85043502
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853


8.99556557
R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


9.14401444
I2215_Malak_Preslavets


9.16999455
R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


9.54338514
I7673_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


9.68139453
R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


9.70848598
CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457


9.77754570
I12515_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


9.77754570
SpaniardCordobaCaliphate_I12515


9.85898575
France_BA_NIED


10.09213060
GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866


10.16175674
I3584_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


10.26428760
IberianCordobaCaliphate_I7498


10.27705211
I3809_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


10.28605367
R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.32874145
Collegno94


10.34106861
R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella


10.80122678
I8343_NE_Iberia_Late_RomP


10.82306796
R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


10.96510374
R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


10.98636428
I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy


11.02664954
I3574_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.12975292
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12647


11.17486018
I10897_NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE


11.25954262
CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41


11.31809171
GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851


11.47675912
I3579_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.57087724
MX299_Switzerland_LN


11.70276036
I3577_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


11.76165805
Bavaria_BB_II5524


11.94945605
R1224_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


11.95163169
France_IA_NOR3-15


12.00252473
I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical


12.04995436
I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1


12.04995436
VasconicTribe_I8209


12.05905469
SX18_Switzerland_LN


12.09081883
R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia


12.13294276
I12221_Sardinia_EarlyMedieval_Grotta_Colombi


12.17093259
I2520_Balkans_BronzeAge


12.23096071
MX277_Switzerland_LN


12.30450730
I8561_Sicily_EBA_Isnello


12.30531999
Collegno23


12.31655796
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeSpanishGalicia_AITI_72


12.32520588
R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima


12.35441621
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_43


12.39861686
I3582_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.46880107
CuevadelaPalomaSpain_I3239


12.53403367
IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320


12.53497507
I3575_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


12.53847279
I11443_Sicily_EBA_Buffa_Cave_II


12.62638111
VisigothIberianGirona_I12034


12.64792868
ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977


12.68581885
I3775_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


12.70182270
MoriscoConvertAndalusia_I7425


12.82519785
HispanoRomanTaifaofValencia_I12644


12.82652330
France_IA_NOR4


12.85167693
I7676_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


12.86464535
R473_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia


12.93228131
I12033_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


12.95701740
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3581


12.96472522
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_120


12.97996918
I1113_Malak_Preslavets


13.00622159
SX20_Switzerland_LN


13.07808090
R851_Iron_Age_Ardea


13.18341003
France_IA_NOR2B6


13.20803922
I3807_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


13.33321042
R116_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


13.34837443
R1021_Iron_Age_Boville_Ernica


13.37259511
NorthAlpineBronzeAgeFrench_AITI_119


13.39520810
BasqueCarolingian_I3777


13.41716438
I6490_NE_Iberia_RomP


13.41761529
Szolad28


13.42806390
R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


13.45376527
I3583_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.45475381
LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469


13.55397359
LateRomanIberiaGranada_I3576


13.63530711
I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge


13.72428505
RISE254_Szazhalombatta-Foldvar_Hungary_3631_years


13.73072467
I12164_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.74064409
I2111_Trypillia


13.76497367
I3578_SE_Iberia_c.5-8CE


13.95420367
I12030_NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL


13.97631568
MX283_Switzerland_LN


14.16403897
France_BA_PIR3037AB


14.17000706
I4329_Mallorca_EBA_Cova_des_Moro_Mallorca_Spain


14.22164196
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3758


14.22913560
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.34737258
I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.39304346
I8145_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.45320380
I3866_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.48655238
I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge


14.54186370
IronAgeCatalan_I12640


14.58126538
I3778_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.60347904
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


14.60347904
BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208


14.63658772
BronzeAgeEngland_I2462


14.66957736
VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759


14.67417119
RISE349_Battonya_Voros_Oktober_Hungary_3588_years


14.71843402
R1220_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


14.75048813
I3776_NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES


14.77467766
France_BA_RIX2


14.79275160
I7423_SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE


14.83051247
R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


14.85110097
MX286_Switzerland_LN


14.87821562
France_IA_ERS88


14.88322210
RISE471_Untermeitingen_Germany


14.89532813
R37_Imperial_Era_Isola_Sacra_Necropolis


14.94539728
R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


15.00512579
I4420_all_Formentera_MBA_Formentera_Spain


15.10574725
Szolad45


15.10782248
Collegno47


15.11542259
Pre-RomanGirona_I3324





https://i.imgur.com/QjvWYzL.png

Carlos
28-08-20, 16:42
Deep investigations:

I have been testing with the MTA Ydna but we will have to wait, at the moment I have found correspondence that I have made manually with the snps that present these two samples:

Paseíllos universitarios-Fuentenueva (Granada, Andalusia, Spain)Contact: Juan Manuel Jiménez Arenas, Isidro Jorge Toro MoyanoThe villa of the “Paseíllos universitarios” is located in the city of Granada. The earliestphase has a Late Roman chronology (3rd-5th centuries CE) featuring an horreum, silosand one torcularium (89), and is associated to a necropolis from which the individualsanalyzed in this study were sampled:

I3980/Individuo 221: 432–601 cal CE (1520±20 BP, PSUAMS-2110)
I3981/Individuo 234: 400–600 CE

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/03/13/363.6432.1230.DC1/aav4040_Olalde_SM.pdf

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gp-nh2rPJjY/X0kRnNtbFNI/AAAAAAAAEe8/W_uEeylxerghnEPuajfC6YhSbIV2BooawCLcBGAsYHQ/s596/Ei3981CLOSESancient.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DKWIm_UoM-w/X0kSAo8555I/AAAAAAAAEfE/ayMd9i0-Vb8EVaKN7vhK7H9yqkkWYjASgCLcBGAsYHQ/s346/Ei3981CLOSESESTmodern.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4j5JlvTX5eY/X0kSZp1XLlI/AAAAAAAAEfU/tkXqh9IK04YzyHwJ1gvzJ7mR-ebq18GZgCLcBGAsYHQ/s436/Ei3981.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hzJMpmG59XU/X0kSNvUsbrI/AAAAAAAAEfM/wbwg338mNYY8vwlbeNenH8oeY1CSdWssgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1202/L539.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RkT20oIxOzs/X0kSh5uzZnI/AAAAAAAAEfc/3uiFyE9Mtw8hUMTUrvrMSId3ShVSewtIACLcBGAsYHQ/s568/ESZ18p177cLOSSESTancient.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aMApALszSOk/X0kSuQWQ9TI/AAAAAAAAEfg/AEdLoiXwEyM_e-hbsV-mfZiOaoewZTe3QCLcBGAsYHQ/s438/ESZ18p177cLOSSESTmodern.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_PSoQ-KrjqY/X0kWlfVXmxI/AAAAAAAAEf8/iSxwz-IS7eoh12woCL2bF-XXgjN16wCdACLcBGAsYHQ/s842/ESZ18p177.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tbdJxZiiIsY/X0kS3uo15yI/AAAAAAAAEfk/zFXZdQiZCMgY_GmCliX1Sy34SoS7rR6-gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1201/P177.JPEG

Duarte
29-08-20, 23:18
A new ‘very special’ sample on my list of Deep Dive matches.
https://i.imgur.com/KXcDAg8.jpg

Crank
05-09-20, 06:58
The modern population matches for me seems weird.

kingjohn
12-09-20, 14:50
interesting :thinking::smile:
so this south italian traveller
by the way he was derived farther by open genomes to e-m84 cluster D ( this is one of the southern european branches of e-m84
and it defined by snp:
FGC18401 ) :cool-v:

source:

http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=4262.120



my true ancestery in dna spotlight

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic


mtDNA Haplogroup: H12

Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)


Genetic Distance: 12.655
Sample Match! 96% closer than other users

Salento
12-09-20, 20:05
interesting :thinking::smile:
so this south italian traveller
by the way he was derived farther by open genomes to e-m84 cluster D ( this is one of the southern european branches of e-m84
and it defined by snp:
FGC18401 ) :cool-v:

source:

http://community.haplozone.net/index.php?topic=4262.120



my true ancestery in dna spotlight

Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic


mtDNA Haplogroup: H12

Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)


Genetic Distance: 12.655
Sample Match! 96% closer than other users




I find him interesting because of his mtDNA and you find him interesting because of his Y Haplogroup.


https://i.imgur.com/vosQJXA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/E9MWqbO.jpg

AdeoF
16-09-20, 18:16
It's been a long while, here is my results

Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (5.143)
Al-Andalus + Illyrian (5.602)
Thracian + Illyrian (5.604)
Illyrian (6.029)
Al-Andalus + Thracian (6.298)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (6.511)
Gallo-Roman (7.579)
Al-Andalus (9.583)
Thracian (9.805)
Etruscan (11.42)

1. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.51
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 5.789
Top 99 % match vs all users




3. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.029
Top 99 % match vs all users


4. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 6.668
Top 99 % match vs all users




5. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.988
Top 99 % match vs all users


6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 7.487
Top 99 % match vs all users




7. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.579 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users


8. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 7.754
Top 99 % match vs all users




9. Roman Soldier Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.865
Top 99 % match vs all users


10. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 7.923
Top 99 % match vs all users




11. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.186
Top 99 % match vs all users


12. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 8.274
Top 99 % match vs all users




13. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.46
Top 99 % match vs all users


14. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 8.519
Top 99 % match vs all users




15. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.63
Top 99 % match vs all users


16. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 8.641
Top 99 % match vs all users




17. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.939
Top 99 % match vs all users


18. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 9.15
Top 99 % match vs all users


19. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.284
Top 99 % match vs all users


20. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 9.415 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users

torzio
16-09-20, 18:55
my father still has only one deep dive result from myancestry .............he has 293 snps with sample Scy301 ( Scythian ) ...........this sample is really a Thracian from the Getae group , which is on the black sea

All the SNP's come from only two chr...# 16 and 18


The Getae (/ˈdʒiːtiː, ˈɡiːtiː/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) JEE-tee, GHEE-tee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key)) or Gets (/dʒɛts, ɡɛts/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) JETS, GHETS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key); Ancient Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language): Γέται, singular Γέτης) were several Thracian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-1) tribes that once inhabited the regions to either side of the Lower Danube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube), in what is today northern Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria) and southern Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania). Both the singular form Get and plural Getae may be derived from a Greek exonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym_and_endonym): the area was the hinterland of Greek colonies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_colonisation#Colonies_on_the_Black_Sea_and_P ropontis) on the Black Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) coast, bringing the Getae into contact with the ancient Greeks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece) from an early date. Although it is believed that the Getae were related to their westward neighbours, the Dacians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacians), several scholars, especially in the Romanian historiography, posit that the Getae and the Dacians were the same people.
The Getae are sometimes confused with the Goths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths) in works of early medieval authors.[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-52)[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-53)[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-54)[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-55)[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-56) This confusion is notably expanded on in works of Jordanes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanes), himself of Gothic background, who transferred earlier historical narratives about the Getae to the Goths.[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-57) At the close of the 4th century AD, Claudian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudian), court poet to the emperor Honorius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Augustus_Honorius) and the patrician (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrician_(ancient_Rome)) Stilicho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stilicho), uses the ethnonym Getae to refer to the Visigoths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths).


Scythian Moldova

scy301 (300 BC)mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b2a3Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2 (BY15590)

Deep Dive Match! 59% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 19.344
Sample Match! 54% closer than other users

torzio
16-09-20, 19:01
double post due to major issues with eupedia site ...................especially that every other page i enter notes me either logged in or not ....................and I have reset my cookies

Salento
16-09-20, 23:33
my father still has only one deep dive result from myancestry .............he has 293 snps with sample Scy301 ( Scythian ) ...........this sample is really a Thracian from the Getae group , which is on the black sea

All the SNP's come from only two chr...# 16 and 18


The Getae (/ˈdʒiːtiː, ˈɡiːtiː/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) JEE-tee, GHEE-tee (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key)) or Gets (/dʒɛts, ɡɛts/ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English) JETS, GHETS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Pronunciation_respelling_key); Ancient Greek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_language): Γέται, singular Γέτης) were several Thracian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-1) tribes that once inhabited the regions to either side of the Lower Danube (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube), in what is today northern Bulgaria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgaria) and southern Romania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania). Both the singular form Get and plural Getae may be derived from a Greek exonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exonym_and_endonym): the area was the hinterland of Greek colonies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_colonisation#Colonies_on_the_Black_Sea_and_P ropontis) on the Black Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) coast, bringing the Getae into contact with the ancient Greeks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece) from an early date. Although it is believed that the Getae were related to their westward neighbours, the Dacians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacians), several scholars, especially in the Romanian historiography, posit that the Getae and the Dacians were the same people.
The Getae are sometimes confused with the Goths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths) in works of early medieval authors.[52] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-52)[53] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-53)[54] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-54)[55] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-55)[56] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-56) This confusion is notably expanded on in works of Jordanes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanes), himself of Gothic background, who transferred earlier historical narratives about the Getae to the Goths.[57] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae#cite_note-57) At the close of the 4th century AD, Claudian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudian), court poet to the emperor Honorius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavius_Augustus_Honorius) and the patrician (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrician_(ancient_Rome)) Stilicho (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stilicho), uses the ethnonym Getae to refer to the Visigoths (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths).


Scythian Moldova

scy301 (300 BC)mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b2a3Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2 (BY15590)

Deep Dive Match! 59% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 19.344
Sample Match! 54% closer than other users

I get this :
... is it a Scythian, or ... ?

https://i.imgur.com/lcylKOR.png

redeyednewt
22-09-20, 06:45
I have a question for those of you who seem to be pretty smart about these matters. My closest Archaeogenetic match at mytrueancesstery.com is:

"Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (4.989)."

These are the remains of a European colonist found at Shohola creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (GEDmatch kit DD7536671). This may be a Dutch ancestor of forebears of mine that lived in the area circa 1750. The remains were typed as I1a-Z73 and U4c1a - from "Ancient Human Parallel Lineages within North America Contributed to a Coastal Expansion" by C.L. Scheib, et al.

However, when I compare my autosomal DNA with this sample in GEDmatch I get no shared DNA segments.

How is this possible? And, what am I missing here?


Any idea who this man or woman was? A relative of mine also matches this person and their descendants.

Joey37
22-09-20, 15:11
Hey you're lucky, my closest match-and it's below 3, so it is really close-lived three thousand years ago near Prague. Unetice culture, foundation of the German and Celtic peoples, whom I am descended from in majority.

Twilight
24-09-20, 05:58
Hello there, here are my top 20 closest matches and Deep Dives Result. :)

1. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 3.448 - SZ38 ?

2. Bell Beaker England

2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.772 - I1767

3. Viking Denmark Revshale
1080 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.225 - Revshale16

4. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.92 - SZ42

5. Ollsjo Battleaxe Sweden
2860 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.959 - oll007

6. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.043 - 3DRIF-16

7. Post Viking Denmark Tirup
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.083 - G300

8. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.124 - I7568

9. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.312 - I4888

10. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.351 - HI2

11. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.496 - G57

12. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany2325 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.613 - MX259

13. Post Viking Denmark Odense1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.699 - G48

14. Scotland Late Bronze Age900 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.805 - I2861

15. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland935 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.829 - ORE-A1

16. Bronze Age Orkney Islands1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.862 - I2981

17. Bell Beaker Amesbury2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.911 - I5512

18. Viking Celtic Boat Burial Iceland925 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.942 - VDP-A6

19. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland935 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.963 - SSG-A2

20. Zerniki Wielkie Bronze Age Poland2175 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.208 - I6583



12337

Salento
26-09-20, 03:50
VK534: Foggia (Puglia) Italy

https://i.imgur.com/plO6tep.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4fM4dD9.jpg

Salento
27-09-20, 04:04
... Apulians:

Viking VK534 (Foggia) vs Salento
(credit to @LuKas)


https://i.imgur.com/azYTFfz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q6n9278.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gSr8uAk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ynAkk2l.jpg


Foggia VK dodecad k7:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team-WIP/page4?p=613315&viewfull=1#post613315

Duarte
27-09-20, 05:10
... Apulians:

Viking VK534 (Foggia) vs Salento
(credit to @LuKas)


https://i.imgur.com/azYTFfz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q6n9278.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gSr8uAk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ynAkk2l.jpg


Foggia VK dodecad k7:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team-WIP/page4?p=613315&viewfull=1#post613315

Very cool Salento :good_job:


THX @mlucas. The VKK538 seems to be from Northern Italy and is, of all of them, the one that comes closest to me. Probably Northern Italians have an excellent match with him, much better than mine, I think.



Distance to:
Duarte


10.02538279
VK538


21.29017614
VK536


25.24137080
VK537


26.96225510
VK535


28.92681282
VK534





Distance to:
VK538


4.70458287
N_Italian


5.03478897
Romanians


5.18816923
Bulgarians


6.22471686
Bulgarian


7.04323079
North_Italian


8.69051782
O_Italian


11.02973708
Tuscan


11.08598665
TSI30


11.28741334
Baleares


12.11889846
Extremadura


12.68996060
Andalucia


12.74555217
Galicia


12.75483046
Murcia


12.81934866
Spaniards


12.93583009
Portuguese


14.43437217
Cataluna


14.49858959
Castilla_La_Mancha


14.54344182
Castilla_Y_Leon


14.70998640
Spanish


14.88387382
Canarias


14.97935579
Valencia


16.29168806
French


16.56167564
Aragon


16.60756153
French


16.76457873
Cantabria

Salento
27-09-20, 05:54
Very cool Salento :good_job:

... if the Vikings went to America ... they were all Pugliesi from Foggia, Salento and Bari :grin:

.. prove me wrong :)

Duarte
27-09-20, 06:04
... if the Vikings went to America ... they were all Pugliesi from Foggia, Salento and Bari :grin:

.. prove me wrong :)

It’s said that Vikings to have arrived in America first than Columbus. Who knows some ancestors of these VKK Pugliesi from Foggia were not among them. :cool-v::thinking::smile:

Jovialis
27-09-20, 13:17
... if the Vikings went to America ... they were all Pugliesi from Foggia, Salento and Bari :grin:

.. prove me wrong :)

https://i.imgur.com/qj3DZo3.png

These samples are not representative for all of Puglia.

They are partly North African Saracen/Moors, I am not sure the Italian part is even from people native to Foggia. Because if they were indeed deported from Sicily, they would be medieval Sicilians with a Moorish component. Many of the Muslims that were sent to Foggia were already mixed with native Sicilians, who were taken as wives, and converted to Islam. These are probably some of their descendants. If you have some relation to one of them, it is probably broadly through the C6 component.

Salento
27-09-20, 16:41
https://i.imgur.com/qj3DZo3.png

These samples are not representative for all of Puglia.

They are partly North African Saracen/Moors, I am not sure the Italian part is even from people native to Foggia. Because if they were indeed deported from Sicily, they would be medieval Sicilians with a Moorish component. Many of the Muslims that were sent to Foggia were already mixed with native Sicilians, who were taken as wives, and converted to Islam. These are probably some of their descendants. If you have some relation to one of them, it is with probably broadly through the C6 component.
I was just having fun with VK534 :)

I knew some of the Foggia Viking samples had more N. Africa than the average Pugliese, some of us don’t get any at all, ...

EDIT:

https://i.imgur.com/3XtBvwR.jpg


#107:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team-WIP?p=613352#post613352

Jovialis
27-09-20, 22:18
I was just having fun with VK534 :)

I knew some of the Foggia Viking samples had more N. Africa than the average Pugliese, some of us don’t get any at all, ...

EDIT:

https://i.imgur.com/3XtBvwR.jpg


#107:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team-WIP?p=613352#post613352

Interesting results, so now we can see from two other samples from Puglia, your's and mine, that there is a difference compared to the Medieval Foggia samples.

Duarte
29-09-20, 05:02
... Apulians:

Viking VK534 (Foggia) vs Salento
(credit to @LuKas)


https://i.imgur.com/azYTFfz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q6n9278.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gSr8uAk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ynAkk2l.jpg


Foggia VK dodecad k7:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team-WIP/page4?p=613315&viewfull=1#post613315

Dear friend Salento

I discovery today that I have a Viking cousin also. He is the Viking VK335. We both have the same y DNA, i.e., R1b-Y56490:

https://i.imgur.com/DZlVo6q.png

Interesting :thinking:

Salento
29-09-20, 06:34
Dear friend Salento

I discovery today that I have a Viking cousin also. He is the Viking VK335. We both have the same y DNA, i.e., R1b-Y56490:

https://i.imgur.com/DZlVo6q.png

Interesting :thinking:

@Duarte
Congrats for your R1b Viking cousin :cool-v:

... there’s a T1a2 Viking (VK398), he’s a cousin of mine, and Torzio too :)

https://i.imgur.com/IFs9vYT.jpg


... my Late Bronze Age, Iron Age and Medieval time-lapse:

https://i.imgur.com/S3y2QgL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vEjwEE4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2JocCPA.jpg

Duarte
29-09-20, 07:23
@Duarte
Congrats for your R1b Viking cousin :cool-v:

... there’s a T1a2 Viking (VK398), he’s a cousin of mine, and Torzio too :)

https://i.imgur.com/IFs9vYT.jpg


... my Late Bronze Age, Iron Age and Medieval timeline:

https://i.imgur.com/S3y2QgL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vEjwEE4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2JocCPA.jpg

Nice Salento :good_job: Congratulations to you and Torzio too. :smile:

Salento
01-10-20, 06:17
@Duarte
I see you’re a match for the Foggia VK538 Viking (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team?p=613451&viewfull=1#post613451):

.... row, row, row, your Viking boat ... :)
LoL

https://i.imgur.com/aHWwEJ2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ofEfNkC.jpg

... from my AncestryDNA :grin:

Duarte
01-10-20, 13:24
@Duarte
I see you’re a match for the Foggia VK538 Viking (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team?p=613451&viewfull=1#post613451):

.... row, row, row, your Viking boat ... :)
LoL

https://i.imgur.com/aHWwEJ2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ofEfNkC.jpg

... from my AncestryDNA :grin:

Hi Salento. It’s true. Row, row, row in my Viking boat :good_job::smile:

Carlos
01-10-20, 20:53
My last two VK acquisitions


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6u5PGM5EkMU/X3Ykz2dLFLI/AAAAAAAAEl4/gkvLoV5AqwY39uroJzXqv09tTGktlyNdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s807/VK536.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BKEfvwGvEQ8/X3Yk2A1FfWI/AAAAAAAAEl8/p7TvKJw0YjYnK4VyKx_OFfVuI_mUMJYQQCLcBGAsYHQ/s524/VK536MODERNpopulations.jpeg


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iXR_3DpWoAI/X3Yk5PMk17I/AAAAAAAAEmA/GYeOubdrcfU5W4fFE-KRX9uFvGR9Uf9ewCLcBGAsYHQ/s706/VK57.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S8soYyj1sNY/X3Yk7t00RJI/AAAAAAAAEmE/6qs0fJuUuJsGgROPSELigoUAlbhbEoLHACLcBGAsYHQ/s552/VK57ModernPopulations.jpeg

Duarte
02-10-20, 00:14
My last two VK acquisitions


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6u5PGM5EkMU/X3Ykz2dLFLI/AAAAAAAAEl4/gkvLoV5AqwY39uroJzXqv09tTGktlyNdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s807/VK536.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BKEfvwGvEQ8/X3Yk2A1FfWI/AAAAAAAAEl8/p7TvKJw0YjYnK4VyKx_OFfVuI_mUMJYQQCLcBGAsYHQ/s524/VK536MODERNpopulations.jpeg


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iXR_3DpWoAI/X3Yk5PMk17I/AAAAAAAAEmA/GYeOubdrcfU5W4fFE-KRX9uFvGR9Uf9ewCLcBGAsYHQ/s706/VK57.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S8soYyj1sNY/X3Yk7t00RJI/AAAAAAAAEmE/6qs0fJuUuJsGgROPSELigoUAlbhbEoLHACLcBGAsYHQ/s552/VK57ModernPopulations.jpeg

Very cool @Carlos. I take the Viking VK536 too:

https://i.imgur.com/13MI2ay.jpg

Salento
02-10-20, 01:31
... when you read Foggia, ... Think of Puglia (Terra of Salento) :cool-v:

Duarte
02-10-20, 01:43
... when you read Foggia, ... Think of Puglia (Terra of Salento) :cool-v:

Cool :cool-v::good_job::smile:

Salento
02-10-20, 04:26
Apulian dod k12 (Salento me on Source)

... I could have made a Great Crusader Knight ... maybe I am :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/XPpDETQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yTnelhh.jpg

Duarte
03-10-20, 04:51
Very cool @Carlos. I take the Viking VK536 too:

https://i.imgur.com/13MI2ay.jpg

Today I take another Viking from Foggia. The VK538.

https://i.imgur.com/fgM4Rq7.jpg

Salento
03-10-20, 05:33
Medieval Age ... (Top 10 samples by era)

3 Foggia VK and a variety of other Italians, (one had the Plague) :petrified:

https://i.imgur.com/5XfGm16.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eDYRSBz.jpg

Salento
03-10-20, 06:34
Latin R437, Roman SZ32 - R125, Foggia VK537 - VK534, and Salento S_me_1 :grin:

... all share some common ancestry :)

https://i.imgur.com/7j4yiJd.jpg

torzio
03-10-20, 18:32
Medieval Age ... (Top 10 samples by era)

3 Foggia VK and a variety of other Italians, (one had the Plague) :petrified:

https://i.imgur.com/5XfGm16.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eDYRSBz.jpg

Foggia Vikings ...............most likely after the danish and norway vikings took over normandy, they later sailed ( as normans ) and invaded Sicily , then invaded foggia and apulia and used it as a base to attack byzantine lands in albania and western greece..............the venetian fleet , who sided ( ally ) with byzantine had many major battles with the norman fleet in that area ............I cannot recall if the normans ever got a foothold in albania

torzio
03-10-20, 18:39
@Duarte
I see you’re a match for the Foggia VK538 Viking (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40352-Dodecad-K7b-Ancient-West-Eurasia-By-Eupedia-Team?p=613451&viewfull=1#post613451):

.... row, row, row, your Viking boat ... :)
LoL

https://i.imgur.com/aHWwEJ2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ofEfNkC.jpg

... from my AncestryDNA :grin:


my new ones


18. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.93 - VK538
97%

11. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.11 - NS3c
97%


43. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
96%

never had these before

Salento
03-10-20, 18:45
update:
Illyrian / Dalmatian: I3313 - 4 members, ... I4332 - 2689 members

imho:
If the Iapygians (Ancient Apulians) had partial Illyrian ancestry, than wherever sample I3313 is from, the Illyrian-Apulian line could have come from her tribal area:

https://i.imgur.com/AKzajKT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n4tWLtU.jpg


Jazinka Cave:

https://i.imgur.com/9a84eMS.jpg

Salento
03-10-20, 19:08
my new ones


18. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.93 - VK538
97%

11. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.11 - NS3c
97%


43. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
96%

never had these before

I get NS3c too :)

https://i.imgur.com/UDgz7gf.jpg

torzio
03-10-20, 19:29
update:
Illyrian / Dalmatian: I3313 - 4 members, ... I4332 - 2689 members

imho:
If the Iapygians (Ancient Apulians) had partial Illyrian ancestry, than wherever sample I3313 is from, the Illyrian-Apulian line could have come from her tribal area:

https://i.imgur.com/AKzajKT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n4tWLtU.jpg


Jazinka Cave:

https://i.imgur.com/9a84eMS.jpg


Ignore that wiki map, it is 100% wrong ......the Iapygians came from modern croatian lands and set foot in foggia first , conquering ancient italic tribes and moving south into salento .......they arrived circa 700BC with the liburnian fleet ..............basically, the same time as the Liburnian-Corinthian wars over Liburnian held Corfu ............IIRC , the Iapygians ( in foggia ) where cut off from their liburnian allies after this as the corinthians created modern Ancona and locked in the liburnian fleet into the northern part of the adriatic sea

here is a read for yourself , never read it myself
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292937493_Iapygians_The_Indigenous_Populations_of_ Ancient_Apulia_in_the_Fifth_and_Fourth_Centuries_B CE

Duarte
04-10-20, 04:18
I get NS3c too :)

https://i.imgur.com/UDgz7gf.jpg

Ignore that wiki map, it is 100% wrong ......the Iapygians came from modern croatian lands and set foot in foggia first , conquering ancient italic tribes and moving south into salento .......they arrived circa 700BC with the liburnian fleet ..............basically, the same time as the Liburnian-Corinthian wars over Liburnian held Corfu ............IIRC , the Iapygians ( in foggia ) where cut off from their liburnian allies after this as the corinthians created modern Ancona and locked in the liburnian fleet into the northern part of the adriatic sea

here is a read for yourself , never read it myself
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/292937493_Iapygians_The_Indigenous_Populations_of_ Ancient_Apulia_in_the_Fifth_and_Fourth_Centuries_B CE

I get some guys from Bavaria, beyond the VKKs and this Roman Warrior.

https://i.imgur.com/aasK4Jb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kjdfZOh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/aDoKUN5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LYkSWbC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KgJUd70.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bRExNCB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LXdf62E.jpg

matty74
04-10-20, 21:54
1. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 2.425 - I3589
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Celtic Mix Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 4.462 - CL83 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users


3. Early Bronze Age Thames
1800 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.02 - I5377
Top 96 % match vs all users


4. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1104 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.065 - I7576
Top 99 % match vs all users


5. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.227 - I7269
Top 99 % match vs all users


6. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.297 - I2861
Top 96 % match vs all users


7. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1254 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.366 - I7577
Top 98 % match vs all users


8. St Marys Coffin Maryland
1683 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.432 - I2097
Top 98 % match vs all users


9. Medieval Upper Bavaria Germany
1068 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.441 - Petersberg
Top 99 % match vs all users


10. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.617 - PCA100_Mas13 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users


11. Bell Beaker Willington England
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.646 - I2452
Top 97 % match vs all users


12. Saxon Hinxton
720 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.708 - HinxtonO1
Top 91 % match vs all users


13. Merovingian Noble
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.739 - NS1
Top 98 % match vs all users


14. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.796 - VK264
Top 98 % match vs all users


15. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.82 - G21
Top 96 % match vs all users


16. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.824 - I2859
Top 97 % match vs all users


17. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.957 - I7575
Top 97 % match vs all users


18. Bronze Age Biddenham Loop Bedfordshire England
1315 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.968 - I7627
Top 98 % match vs all users


19. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.968 - SZ15
Top 92 % match vs all users


20. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.03 - SZ42
Top 86 % match vs all users


21. Celtic Briton
1 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.111 - Hinxton 4
Top 96 % match vs all users


22. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.127 - HI2
Top 93 % match vs all users


23. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.165 - I4895
Top 97 % match vs all users


24. Bronze Age Raciborz-Stara Wies Poland
2170 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.167 - I6537
Top 90 % match vs all users


25. Bell Beaker England
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.262 - I1767
Top 85 % match vs all users


26. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.272 - BIS130
Top 97 % match vs all users


27. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.418 - I7287
Top 97 % match vs all users


28. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.463 - Linton
Top 90 % match vs all users


29. North Alpine Bronze Age
1812 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.524 - AITI_50
Top 98 % match vs all users


30. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.54 - I2573
Top 98 % match vs all users


31. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2542 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.605 - MX192
Top 95 % match vs all users


32. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.759 - G48
Top 87 % match vs all users


33. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age
67 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.788 - HI1
Top 85 % match vs all users


34. Viking Celtic Boat Burial Iceland
925 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.814 - VDP-A6
Top 93 % match vs all users


35. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.864 - 6DRIF-18
Top 93 % match vs all users


36. Medieval Denmark Odense
1223 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.888 - G749b
Top 94 % match vs all users


37. Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.894 - SZ25
Top 99 % match vs all users


38. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.947 - I7212
Top 95 % match vs all users


39. Bronze Age Amesbury
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.094 - I2458
Top 88 % match vs all users


40. Obernai Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.129 - OBE3626-1
Top 95 % match vs all users


41. Bronze Age Trumpington England
1330 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.182 - I7640
Top 98 % match vs all users


42. Bronze Age De Tuithoorn North Holland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.238 - I5750
Top 95 % match vs all users


43. Anglo Saxon
780 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.242 - Hinxton HS3
Top 95 % match vs all users


44. Late Medieval Gotlander
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.253 - Unknown
Top 91 % match vs all users


45. Bronze Age Orkney Islands
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.281 - I2981
Top 93 % match vs all users


46. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.288 - I7568
Top 87 % match vs all users


47. Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.302 - SSJ-A2
Top 98 % match vs all users





48. Bronze Age Biddenham Loop Bedfordshire England
1120 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.327 - I7578
Top 95 % match vs all users


49. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B
1448 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.33 - OSL9B
Top 92 % match vs all users


50. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.336 - CL92
Top 99 % match vs all users


51. Viking Saxon Iceland
1104 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.341 - TSK-A26
Top 94 % match vs all users


52. Middle Bronze Age England
1575 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.369 - I7573
Top 97 % match vs all users


53. Young Merovingian Noble
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.389 - NS6
Top 86 % match vs all users


54. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.392 - STR241
Top 99 % match vs all users


55. Bronze Age Prague Jinonice Czech
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.42 - I7196
Top 98 % match vs all users


56. Bell Beaker Southern France
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.498 - I3875
Top 91 % match vs all users


57. Celto-Germanic Lingolsheim Alsace
2335 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.531 - SX32
Top 94 % match vs all users


58. Stenchme Lop Ness Sanday Scotland
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.558 - I2981
Top 93 % match vs all users


59. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.571 - I3600
Top 95 % match vs all users


60. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.637 - VK449
Top 99 % match vs all users


61. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.653 - CL146
Top 96 % match vs all users


62. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.677 - SZ14
Top 95 % match vs all users


63. Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland
1683 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.69 - 2099
Top 98 % match vs all users


64. Food Vessel Scotland
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.723 - I5515
Top 96 % match vs all users


65. Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.729 - KNS-A1
Top 97 % match vs all users


66. Bell Beaker Scotland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.749 - I2568
Top 85 % match vs all users


67. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany
2325 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.76 - MX259
Top 85 % match vs all users


68. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.769 - I7290
Top 91 % match vs all users


69. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.793 - I7572
Top 98 % match vs all users


70. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.87 - SZ12
Top 99 % match vs all users


71. Copper Age Sierentz Les Villas dAurele France
2345 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.871 - I1390
Top 96 % match vs all users


72. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.886 - I2653
Top 91 % match vs all users


73. Middle Bronze Age Dorset England
1446 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.896 - I3082
Top 98 % match vs all users


74. Germanic Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.932 - I8206
Top 98 % match vs all users


75. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria
485 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.98 - AED_249
Top 96 % match vs all users


76. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.004 - I7278
Top 85 % match vs all users


77. Medieval Denmark Revshale
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.031 - G154
Top 96 % match vs all users


78. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.042 - 6DRIF-23
Top 95 % match vs all users


79. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria
465 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.052 - NW_255
Top 97 % match vs all users


80. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.06 - CL84
Top 95 % match vs all users


81. Bronze Age Brassington Derbyshire England
2090 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.062 - I5373
Top 96 % match vs all users


82. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.077 - VK260
Top 98 % match vs all users


83. Celto-Germanic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.078 - CL97
Top 95 % match vs all users


84. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.087 - ORE-A1
Top 86 % match vs all users


85. High Status Male Haunstetten
1946 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.103 - POST_6
Top 86 % match vs all users


86. Ireland Copper Age
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.115 - Rathlin2
Top 96 % match vs all users


87. Norwegian Viking Iceland
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.134 - STT-A2
Top 91 % match vs all users


88. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.141 - SZ4
Top 97 % match vs all users


89. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.149 - 97029
Top 97 % match vs all users


90. Bronze Age Oxfordshire England
2030 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.159 - I2445
Top 93 % match vs all users


91. Germanic Medieval Denmark Odense
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.228 - G1083b
Top 99 % match vs all users


92. Post Viking Denmark Tirup
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.265 - G300
Top 85 % match vs all users


93. Colonial American Pennsylvania
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.268 - Shohola
Top 86 % match vs all users


94. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland
2170 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.277 - SNPRA64
Top 91 % match vs all users


95. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer
1678 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.333 - KOV-A2
Top 84 % match vs all users


96. Bronze Age East Kent England
1785 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.337 - I2602
Top 90 % match vs all users


97. Cambridgeshire Iron Age
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.341 - 15594A
Top 84 % match vs all users


98. Alemannic Bavaria
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.342 - ALH_1
Top 86 % match vs all users


99. Ollsjo Battleaxe Sweden
2860 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.398 - oll007
Top 83 % match vs all users


100. Bronze Age Scottish Islands
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.411 - I5367
Top 95 % match vs all users

Salento
07-10-20, 07:00
... since when?

... maybe the “King” of the Francais is from Foggia too :grin:


https://i.imgur.com/k7M0HeG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/1FE6lNr.jpg

Salento
07-10-20, 07:45
Archaeogenetic Map of Germania
https://i.imgur.com/rqjckmW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GB3LWFr.jpg

Carlos
07-10-20, 15:05
Is out this interesanting study

The Greeks in the West: genetic signatures of the Hellenic colonisation in southern Italy and Sicily

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg2015124#Sec2

Salento
09-10-20, 06:46
... edit ;-)
Ancient Ancestry .GIF

https://i.imgur.com/vu6MYIg.gif

Duarte
10-10-20, 00:26
Below my premium matches in Deep Dive's MTA:

https://i.imgur.com/6Oa7Ds7.png

Out of curiosity I obtained the K7b coordinates of some of these samples (BAM files from ENAS, except R105 whose coordinates were obtained by Jovialis):



TrypillianVertebaCaveUkraine_3500_BC_I1926,0,1.22, 0,0.96,38.88,58.94,0
IlergetesTribeCatalan_200BC_I3320,0.31,3.25,0,1.7, 28.19,65.92,0.63
IlercavonesCatalan_200BC_I3321,0,1.66,0.12,0.87,28 .99,68.36,0
CopperAgeAlburg-LerchenhaidStraubingBavaria_2225BC_I3590,0,14.44,0 .99,1.56,21.37,61.64,0
BasquePost-RomanEraBarcelona_650AD_I3777,0.41,10.22,1.61,0.29 ,22,65.46,0
BellBeakerSouthernFrance_2120BC_I3874,1.45,9.38,0. 68,0.59,16.98,70.8,0.12
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_1560BC_VAD001,0.95,2.93,0,0 .55,26.2,69.26,0.1
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi,0,14. 99,0.15,0.98,26.79,56.39,0.69


The non listed samples corresponds the samples the BAM files does not run or were not found.

Below my results on Dodecad K7b using the coordinates above:



Distance to:
Duarte


8.36759822
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi


10.72231318
CopperAgeAlburg-LerchenhaidStraubingBavaria_2225BC_I3590


12.32302317
BasquePost-RomanEraBarcelona_650AD_I3777


12.35974919
IlergetesTribeCatalan_200BC_I3320


15.48087853
IlercavonesCatalan_200BC_I3321


15.62045774
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_1560BC_VAD001


15.90498664
TrypillianVertebaCaveUkraine_3500_BC_I1926


18.52680221
BellBeakerSouthernFrance_2120BC_I3874







Target: Duarte
Distance: 6.6973% / 6.69729070



66.8
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi





24.2
IlergetesTribeCatalan_200BC_I3320





9.0
TrypillianVertebaCaveUkraine_3500_BC_I1926

Carlos
10-10-20, 01:09
Target: Carlos
Distance: 0.3914% / 0.39139583


55.4
CopperAgeAlburg-LerchenhaidStraubingBavaria_2225BC_I3590





23.6
TrypillianVertebaCaveUkraine_3500_BC_I1926





21.0
IlergetesTribeCatalan_200BC_I3320







Distance to:
Carlos


6.45459526
BasquePost-RomanEraBarcelona_650AD_I3777


7.17032077
IlergetesTribeCatalan_200BC_I3320


7.82065854
CopperAgeAlburg-LerchenhaidStraubingBavaria_2225BC_I3590


8.25120597
C7_Late_Antiquity_European:R105_Crypta_Balbi


9.70366941
BronzeAgeNorthernSpain_1560BC_VAD001


10.03345902
IlercavonesCatalan_200BC_I3321


13.49298707
BellBeakerSouthernFrance_2120BC_I3874


14.57799369
TrypillianVertebaCaveUkraine_3500_BC_I1926



0.3 a good distance. I am very bronze. Didn't they say that it was the Basques who had stayed the most in bronze?

Ah ok, I already went to copper. Science advances that is an outrage.

12. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.46 - I3590

55. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.47 I3597

85. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.51 - I5017

155. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.55 - I5520

267. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.77 - I3593

​271. Copper Age Iberia
3100 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.84 - por003

279. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.03 - I6590

There are more but my keyboard fails and now the connection is not private when entering MTA

italouruguayan
10-10-20, 18:45
Premium matches...12351123521235312354

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Salento
11-10-20, 02:55
New Elite Ancient Relative:

... I’m the Elite ... :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/rgzmSFY.jpg

Salento
11-10-20, 05:05
Central Romans (relatives):

https://i.imgur.com/KfvvBpG.jpg

Das
11-10-20, 09:53
Your closest Ancient populations...



Canaanite / Semite + Safavid (6.263)
Safavid + Amorite (7.011)
Amorite (8.479)
Canaanite / Semite + Amorite (9.733)
Hittite + Safavid (10.86)
Hellenic Roman + Canaanite / Semite (11.38)
Canaanite / Semite (14.45)
Hittite (17.96)
Hellenic Roman (18.68)



1. Amorite Outlier Alalakh
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.985
Top
99 % match vs all users


2. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 6.766
Top
99 % match vs all users



3. Near East Outlier Imperial Rome ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.315
Top
99 % match vs all users


4. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 8.479
Top
99 % match vs all users



5. Canaanite Saifi Roman Republic Lebanon
57 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.639
Top
99 % match vs all users


6. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 8.77
Top
99 % match vs all users



7. Amorite Alalakh
1730 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.426
Top
99 % match vs all users


8. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 9.629
Top
99 % match vs all users



9. Hellenistic Period Saifi Lebanon
46 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.879
Top
99 % match vs all users


10. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 10.0
Top
99 % match vs all users



11. Roman Era Citizen / Lebanon
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.23
Top
99 % match vs all users


12. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 10.72
Top
99 % match vs all users



13. Amorite Alalakh
1790 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.75
Top
99 % match vs all users


14. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 10.83
Top
99 % match vs all users



15. Near East Outlier Imperial Rome ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.28
Top
99 % match vs all users


16. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 11.34
Top
99 % match vs all users



17. Amorite Alalakh
1820 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.55
Top
99 % match vs all users


18. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 11.6
Top
99 % match vs all users



19. Amorite Outlier Child Alalakh
1410 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.73
Top
99 % match vs all users


20. [Hidden] - upgrade to Footman+ 11.92
Top
99 % match vs all users

Salento
12-10-20, 03:56
New Elite Ancient Relative:

... I’m the Elite ... :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/rgzmSFY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2rfhoPc.jpg

... though some of the Foggia Vikings weren’t locals, and some others could have been mixed with the Pugliesi,
I think that the reason that I’m a bit ‘chromo’ closer to VK535 is because he is 90 years younger than VK534 and VK537,

... that’s about 3 generations of extra genetic mixing probably with Pugliesi, ... maybe :)

https://i.imgur.com/rNYKo8r.jpg

Carlos
12-10-20, 19:54
Carlos' papers are not what they seem

I have selected the maps with my Deep Dives from a thousand to a thousand years the last from 500 to 500 more or less because the cursor is difficult to nail it

With 30 samples

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--vh9LnEvDUs/X4STnw5cclI/AAAAAAAAEnw/KdPUtstlh7Q7GohJQEzZFkFSNljF9QlFACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMil1.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ye5x3N97Nn4/X4STwVwrlwI/AAAAAAAAEn0/E4x7YK7JyFwHtscLPBUGWE3uvVPzTR4xQCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMil2.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--r-8CDex380/X4ST4Vp3BGI/AAAAAAAAEn8/BO3xDD21l-A6uahn4wy_WvXmjXW7s7yJwCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMil3.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UW-dMAUwh10/X4SUDdH46_I/AAAAAAAAEoE/jBlN2HjajmkxuEQE6pzzThZn1leX7lYAwCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMil4.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gh4SY1CSpEc/X4SULKgBUZI/AAAAAAAAEoM/YixU8Ki4vtMu4BjtStnxR_ruEMpyRVihwCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMil5.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-506qQXed9Ko/X4SUT9sxC7I/AAAAAAAAEoU/SEqHy4BiHREef6efVZ-CdGMipavIIJI6QCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMil6.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wXvA73AmdVc/X4SUgUJpYUI/AAAAAAAAEoc/a22DGTDm3nQBvsyQiVrGEcG3FcfLB60pQCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MilenMilA%25C3%2591O761.jpeg
Archaeological, I don't know if they are the same for everyone or they are mine

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3KPMlJBTKcE/X4SUn-rwv6I/AAAAAAAAEok/-zb7X5q1FFY1shIxnOBaPuBZOlPLH8-bQCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h524/MilenMilA%25C3%2591O1495.jpeg
Let's see what happens

Salento
19-10-20, 05:36
R1 ( ... my bam ...)

Ancient Ancestry, TOP 40, Deep Dive relatives:

https://i.imgur.com/tqDL93y.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Y0Mwjmw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/snZqu2k.jpg

Salento
19-10-20, 05:43
R1 VK Matches:
(Bonus SI-53 Crusader)

https://i.imgur.com/hAtGHu7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/e9Ktbpi.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2eqwDXW.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/enfLfZD.jpg

Salento
19-10-20, 06:44
...y path to T-BY143483 (Roman) > T-SK1480 (Modern)

https://i.imgur.com/SDA5ikb.jpg

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

Duarte
19-10-20, 23:32
I decided to see my "map from ancient times" selecting the max output of 50 samples in the time interval from 880 AD until 1191 AD. I think that appears a lot of people above of parallel 50. It will be this a bug?

https://i.imgur.com/30bhGCo.png

Carlos
23-10-20, 01:16
New match this week passed

Viking Settler Erik the Red Farm Greenland
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - VK193
Top
44 %
match vs all users

Viking Icelandic + Belgae (4.194)
Viking Danish + Belgae (5.752)
Celt + Belgae (5.856)
Belgae + Saxon (6.824)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (8.203)
Celt (8.982)
Belgae (9.426)
Viking Danish (10.89)
Viking Icelandic (11.87)
Saxon (12.08)

1. Southeast_English (11.68)
2. Southwest_English (11.76)
3. South_Dutch (12.06)
4. Irish (12.53)
5. West_Scottish (12.90)
6. North_German (13.73)
7. Danish (14.00)
8. Flemish (14.64)


A review of my Modern family

Early Modern Period


22. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.51 - LM_406_T

1. Spanish_Galicia (9.823)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (9.975)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (10.57)
4. Portuguese (11.15)
5. French (11.17)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.38)
7. Southwest_French (11.80)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (12.74)


111. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137 ?

1. North_Italian (9.724)
2. Spanish_Galicia (10.07)
3. Portuguese (10.36)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (11.14)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.75)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.44)
7. Spanish_Murcia (12.67)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (13.41)


145. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.35 - LM_306_T

1. Southwest_English (9.755)
2. French (10.41)
3. South_Dutch (10.43)
4. Welsh (10.75)
5. Southeast_English (11.42)
6. Irish (12.32)
7. Flemish (12.35)
8. West_Scottish (13.44)


156. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.58 - I7425

1. Spanish_Extremadura (10.02)
2. North_Italian (10.14)
3. Spanish_Murcia (10.85)
4. Portuguese (11.16)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (11.81)
6. Tuscan (12.58)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.84)
8. Spanish_Galicia (12.90)


166. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - I3809

1. Spanish_Aragon (10.68)
2. Spanish_Basque (10.98)
3. French_Basque (11.55)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (12.18)
5. Spanish_Valencia (12.43)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (13.35)
7. Southwest_French (14.41)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (14.52)


181. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.27 - LXVI

1. North_Italian (9.063)
2. Portuguese (11.20)
3. Spanish_Galicia (11.39)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.22)
5. Tuscan (12.52)
6. Spanish_Murcia (12.79)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (12.96)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.55)



198. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116 ?

1. French (8.493)
2. Flemish (9.803)
3. Spanish_Galicia (10.95)
4. South_Dutch (11.01)
5. West_German (11.83)
6. Portuguese (12.06)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (12.53)
8. Welsh (13.27)




210. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.92 - Marat

1. Spanish_Cataluna (11.31)
2. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.72)
3. French (12.11)
4. Spanish_Galicia (12.82)
5. Portuguese (12.91)
6. Spanish_Murcia (13.40)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (14.31)
8. Spanish_Valencia (14.42)

319. Oxford Infirmiary
1790 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - CSD ?

1. Southwest_English (11.26)
2. Southeast_English (12.01)
3. Irish (12.54)
4. West_Scottish (12.97)
5. Orcadian (13.26)
6. Welsh (13.55)
7. North_Dutch (15.47)
8. South_Dutch (15.74)

ReggieM
25-10-20, 02:39
Your closest Ancient populations...

Visigoth + Celt (3.01)
Celt + Frank (3.624)
Visigoth + Saxon (4.065)
Saxon + Frank (4.346)
Celt + Saxon (4.689)
Saxon (6.603)
Celt (6.714)
Visigoth (6.884)
Frank (7.429)
Viking Norwegian (8.864)

Fits my ancestry as far as I know it.


Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Southwest_English (6.282)
2. Orcadian (6.688)
3. Southeast_English (7.075)
4. North_Dutch (7.464)
5. West_Scottish (7.766)
6. Danish (7.898)
7. Irish (8.156)
8. Welsh (8.358)

Carlos
27-10-20, 22:02
A new Deep Dive this week

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D9s-EzEcgIA/X5RRCkLuf6I/AAAAAAAAEo4/PzZ1QxJHnQMkI8LKoJzeNShEylNpuxy5wCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h276/CooperAgeIrlbachStraubingBavariaI6624.JPEG

He joins my dear Bilma also from Bohemia; although the time difference is very large.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vDp0kdtkHT4/XsjYxkPZciI/AAAAAAAAD0U/c1X_ZQT_0ooG6iT6TmOwIQJxzHO8IQ9qACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/AlemannicBavariaBIM_33.JPEG

And this one from Unetice Bohemia that I don't know why the hell I relate it to Bavaria.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jRabyr82qyY/XsjZmKJ1asI/AAAAAAAAD54/UpsmHs9075U6ZjVslNCArWHSo_Rp_-sYgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/UneticeBohemiaRise154.jpeg

On the other hand I check in Deep Dive the samples where I get more snp

Min SNP Length: 476

Update





and I get:



Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto 500 AD R33
Rhaeti + Illyrian (3.686)
Etruscan + Illyrian (4.031)
Visigoth + Illyrian (5.105)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (5.518)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (5.524)
Illyrian (6.104)
Etruscan (7.295)
Gallo-Roman (9.303)
Visigoth (10.13)
Rhaeti (10.45)

1. Spanish_Cataluna (7.155)
2. Spanish_Murcia (7.269)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (7.528)
4. Spanish_Valencia (7.691)
5. Portuguese (8.220)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (8.433)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (8.449)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (8.936)

Similar Samples
Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) (5.747)
Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (6.104)
Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain (1350 AD) (6.11)
Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (6.714)
Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1060 AD) (7.057)

Min SNP Length: 400

Medieval Villa Magna Italy 990 AD R63Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto 500 AD


Ligurian + Etruscan (2.875)
Visigoth + Ligurian (3.258)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (3.335)
Ligurian + Gallo-Roman (3.772)
Ligurian + Rhaeti (3.798)
Etruscan (4.463)
Gallo-Roman (4.989)
Visigoth (5.682)
Ligurian (6.458)
Rhaeti (8.053)

1. Spanish_Cantabria (9.903)
2. Spanish_Galicia (10.64)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (10.92)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.07)
5. Portuguese (11.21)
6. Southwest_French (11.95)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (12.48)
8. Spanish_Aragon (12.56)
Similar Samples
Etruscan Civitavecchia (650 BC) (4.463)
Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (1060 AD) (4.727)
Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2385 BC) (4.743)
Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) (4.9)
Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi (500 AD) (4.989)

Min SNP Length: 350

Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy 1355 AD R55Illyrian (2.89)
Etruscan + Illyrian (5.369)
Al-Andalus + Illyrian (5.415)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (5.823)
Visigoth + Illyrian (6.113)
Visigoth + Etruscan (6.655)
Al-Andalus (10.14)
Etruscan (10.29)
Gallo-Roman (11.05)
Visigoth (12.41)

1. Spanish_Cataluna (7.676)
2. Portuguese (8.073)
3. Spanish_Murcia (8.462)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (8.754)
5. Spanish_Galicia (9.017)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (9.229)
7. North_Italian (10.54)
8. Spanish_Valencia (10.79)

Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (2.89)
Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) (5.747)
Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) (6.2)
Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (6.853)
Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.577)

Min SNP Length: 325

Neolithic Ireland 3200 BCBallynahatty

Etruscan + Balari (3.858)
Phoenician + Balari (5.294)
Carthaginian + Balari (6.327)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.81)
Latin + Balari (9.871)
Phoenician (12.18)
Etruscan (14.52)
Balari (15.89)
Carthaginian (16.6)
Latin (19.05)

1. Sardinian (16.84)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (22.45)
3. Spanish_Aragon (22.66)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (23.05)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (23.36)
6. Southwest_French (23.37)
7. Spanish_Valencia (24.16)
8. French_Basque (24.42)

Neolithic Orkney Islands (3220 BC) (4.152)
Neolithic Orkney Islands (3250 BC) (5.373)
Iberia Pre-Bell Beaker (3200 BC) (5.541)
Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden (3120 BC) (6.074)
Bronze Age Szigetszentmiklos-Felso-Urge Hungary (2350 BC) (6.084)
Min SNP Length: 250

Etruscan Civitavecchia 650 BC R474
Etruscan (Genetic match)

1. Spanish_Cantabria (8.376)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (9.761)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.05)
4. Spanish_Aragon (10.35)
5. Southwest_French (10.35)
6. Portuguese (10.55)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (10.87)
8. Spanish_Galicia (10.99)

Similar Samples
Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (2385 BC) (3.586)
Cueva de la Paloma Spain (2350 BC) (3.867)
Vatya Bronze Age Hungary (1750 BC) (4.011)
Medieval Villa Magna Italy (990 AD) (4.463)
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) (5.479)

Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP 100 AD R116
Celt + Gallo-Roman (4.293)
Visigoth + Celt (4.293)
Visigoth + Vascones (6.209)
Celt + Latin (6.314)
Celt + Vascones (6.381)
Vascones (7.61)
Celt (9.37)
Visigoth (9.589)
Latin (10.87)
Gallo-Roman (11.26)

1. Southwest_French (12.34)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (12.76)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (13.62)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.89)
5. Spanish_Aragon (14.11)
6. Spanish_Basque (15.26)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (15.41)
8. French (15.48)

Similar Samples
Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria (2250 BC) (4.287)
Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany (3200 BC) (4.541)
Le Pirou Valros Bronze Age France (1630 BC) (5.236)
Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria (2225 BC) (5.75)
High Status Male Haunstetten (2059 BC) (5.876)

Carlos
01-11-20, 18:57
Your Outlier Samples...


352. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424

Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)


1. Tuscan (10.76)
2. North_Italian (11.90)
3. West_Sicilian (12.70)
4. Kosovar (13.96)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (14.17)
6. Italian_Abruzzo (15.27)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (15.54)
8. Spanish_Murcia (15.71)

359. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32

Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.339)

1. Tuscan (10.36)
2. North_Italian (11.95)
3. West_Sicilian (14.41)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (14.95)
5. Albanian_Tosk (15.92)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (16.72)
7. East_Sicilian (16.95)
8. Central_Greek (17.25)

361. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154

Belgae + Phoenician (20.54)

1. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (23.48)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (23.57)
3. French_Basque (23.82)
4. Southwest_French (24.00)
5. Spanish_Aragon (24.22)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (24.50)
7. Spanish_Valencia (24.76)
8. Spanish_Basque (26.13)

368. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

Roman (Genetic match)

1. Tuscan (5.029)
2. North_Italian (8.337)
3. Albanian_Tosk (8.892)
4. Kosovar (9.972)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (10.12)
6. West_Sicilian (10.53)
7. Greek (11.71)
8. Greek_Thessaly (12.65)

372. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

Celt + Gaul (10.61)

1. South_Dutch (12.81)
2. North_German (13.18)
3. Southeast_English (14.98)
4. Southwest_English (15.16)
5. Irish (15.34)
6. Danish (15.65)
7. French (15.69)
8. West_Scottish (15.80)

373. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

Celt + Sarmatian (5.804)

1. South_Dutch (16.66)
2. North_German (18.17)
3. French (18.47)
4. Southwest_English (19.33)
5. Flemish (19.39)
6. Southeast_English (19.61)
7. Czech (19.92)
8. East_German (19.93)

374. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

Gaul + Roman (8.486)

1. Kosovar (7.844)
2. Albanian_Tosk (9.835)
3. Bulgarian (11.16)
4. Romanian (12.12)
5. Tuscan (12.38)
6. Bosnian (12.81)
7. North_Italian (12.87)
8. Greek (13.91)

397. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983

Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

1. Tuscan (13.05)
2. North_Italian (13.60)
3. Portuguese (15.97)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (16.30)
5. Spanish_Galicia (16.31)
6. West_Sicilian (16.89)
7. Spanish_Murcia (17.33)
8. Italian_Abruzzo (18.22)

402. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865

Iberian + Phoenician (6.765)

1. French_Basque (14.96)
2. Spanish_Basque (17.66)
3. Spanish_Aragon (19.01)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (20.49)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (20.84)
6. Southwest_French (21.08)
7. Spanish_Valencia (21.50)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (21.85)

419. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1

Gallo-Roman + Gepid (8.164)

1. Kosovar (7.704)
2. Albanian_Tosk (7.894)
3. Tuscan (8.468)
4. Bulgarian (9.955)
5. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)
6. North_Italian (10.36)
7. Greek (10.66)
8. Romanian (10.71)

421. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299

Iberian + Aquitani (13.83)

1. French_Basque (14.89)
2. Spanish_Basque (17.27)
3. Southwest_French (21.04)
4. Spanish_Aragon (21.08)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (22.74)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (23.09)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (23.53)
8. Spanish_Valencia (23.68)

422. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003

Phoenician (Genetic match)

1. Sardinian (15.36)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (17.50)
3. Spanish_Aragon (19.73)
4. Spanish_Valencia (19.74)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (19.81)
6. North_Italian (20.82)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (21.17)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (21.26)

424. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595

Aquitani + Boii (16.46)

1. Spanish_Andalucia (19.22)
2. Southwest_French (19.23)
3. Spanish_Aragon (19.58)
4. Spanish_Valencia (19.60)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (20.19)
6. French_Basque (20.47)
7. Spanish_Basque (21.64)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (21.75)

425. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142

Celt + Belgae (11.6)

1. South_Dutch (18.24)
2. Southeast_English (19.12)
3. Southwest_English (19.27)
4. Irish (20.03)
5. West_Scottish (20.08)
6. North_German (20.17)
7. Danish (20.50)
8. French (20.66)

427. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932


Ligurian + Carthaginian (16.05)

1. Spanish_Galicia (23.82)
2. Portuguese (24.71)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (24.73)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (24.86)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (25.90)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (26.26)
7. Spanish_Murcia (26.68)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (26.78)

428. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

Roman (Genetic match)

1. Tuscan (2.937)
2. Albanian_Tosk (7.987)
3. North_Italian (8.213)
4. West_Sicilian (8.444)
5. Kosovar (8.963)
6. Italian_Abruzzo (9.271)
7. Greek (9.454)
8. Greek_Thessaly (10.26)

434. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391

Celt + Celtiberian (11.4)

1. Spanish_Basque (13.96)
2. French_Basque (17.62)
3. Spanish_Aragon (23.48)
4. Southwest_French (24.39)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (24.62)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (24.92)
7. Spanish_Valencia (25.53)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (26.19)

435. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276

Saxon + Frank (4.341)

1. Welsh (6.373)
2. Southwest_English (7.240)
3. Flemish (7.543)
4. North_German (7.567)
5. North_Dutch (7.663)
6. South_Dutch (7.673)
7. West_German (7.956)
8. Danish (8.163)

440. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970

Roman + Illyrian (5.741)

1. Tuscan (8.666)
2. North_Italian (9.725)
3. West_Sicilian (12.75)
4. Albanian_Tosk (14.12)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (14.35)
6. Spanish_Murcia (15.64)
7. Greek_Thessaly (15.97)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (16.16)

442. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540

Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.097)

1. Tuscan (9.676)
2. North_Italian (11.30)
3. West_Sicilian (12.40)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (14.23)
5. Spanish_Murcia (15.43)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (16.02)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (16.54)
8. Portuguese (16.89)

443. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836

Philistine + Roman (9.784)

1. Tuscan (15.65)
2. North_Italian (16.72)
3. West_Sicilian (18.05)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (18.38)
5. Maltese (18.59)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (18.69)
7. Albanian_Tosk (20.37)
8. South_Italian (20.59)

451. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113

Roman + Phoenician (7.366)

1. Spanish_Andalucia (15.72)
2. Spanish_Valencia (17.21)
3. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (18.04)
4. North_Italian (18.04)
5. Spanish_Aragon (18.33)
6. Spanish_Murcia (18.41)
7. Tuscan (19.41)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (19.45)


452. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205

Roman Hispania + Illyrian (16.03)

1. Spanish_Valencia (17.37)
2. Spanish_Murcia (17.38)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (17.96)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (18.11)
5. Spanish_Aragon (18.48)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (18.89)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (19.48)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (19.91)

453. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2

Celt (Genetic match)

1. Southeast_English (6.283)
2. West_Scottish (6.611)
3. Irish (6.632)
4. Danish (6.986)
5. North_German (7.319)
6. Southwest_English (7.326)
7. North_Dutch (8.517)
8. Orcadian (8.522)

454. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973

Celt (6.145)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.439)

1. Irish (8.640)
2. North_German (9.279)
3. Southeast_English (9.526)
4. West_Scottish (9.665)
5. Southwest_English (10.41)
6. North_Dutch (10.86)
7. Danish (11.08)
8. Orcadian (11.27)

458. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

Thracian + Illyrian (6.652)
Roman + Illyrian (6.785)

1. North_Italian (13.38)
2. Tuscan (13.53)
3. Portuguese (17.11)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (17.52)
5. Spanish_Murcia (17.53)
6. West_Sicilian (17.83)
7. Spanish_Galicia (17.95)
8. Italian_Abruzzo (18.50)

459. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31

Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.168)

1. Tuscan (10.76)
2. West_Sicilian (12.55)
3. North_Italian (12.57)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (14.21)
5. Albanian_Tosk (15.86)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (15.97)
7. Kosovar (16.41)
8. Greek (16.66)

460. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47

Celt + Scythian (6.93)

1. North_German (11.99)
2. South_Dutch (12.01)
3. East_German (13.25)
4. Czech (14.02)
5. Flemish (14.17)
6. West_German (14.50)
7. Danish (14.53)
8. Southwest_English (14.60)

461. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty

Etruscan + Balari (3.858)
Phoenician + Balari (5.294)
Carthaginian + Balari (6.327)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.81)

1. Sardinian (16.84)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (22.45)
3. Spanish_Aragon (22.66)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (23.05)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (23.36)
6. Southwest_French (23.37)
7. Spanish_Valencia (24.16)
8. French_Basque (24.42)

463. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001

Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)

1. Welsh (16.28)
2. French (16.50)
3. West_German (16.71)
4. Flemish (17.03)
5. Southwest_English (17.81)
6. Spanish_Galicia (18.47)
7. Southeast_English (19.37)
8. South_Dutch (19.53)

464. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639


Celtiberian + Saxon (8.053)

1. Southeast_English (16.73)
2. Southwest_English (16.91)
3. West_Scottish (17.22)
4. Irish (17.56)
5. Orcadian (18.01)
6. South_Dutch (19.48)
7. Danish (19.62)
8. North_Dutch (20.69)

465. Strachow Bronze Age Poland
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - I6538


Celt + Alemanni (10.36)

1. Southwest_English (14.13)
2. Southeast_English (14.43)
3. Orcadian (14.88)
4. West_Scottish (14.99)
5. Irish (15.62)
6. Danish (17.22)
7. Welsh (17.34)
8. South_Dutch (17.64)

466. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14

Viking Danish + Longobard (4.033)

1. North_German (7.835)
2. North_Dutch (8.417)
3. Irish (8.944)
4. Southwest_English (9.023)
5. Southeast_English (9.226)
6. Welsh (9.806)
7. Danish (9.964)
8. South_Dutch (10.01)

470. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031

Scythian + Gaul (6.59)

1. Serbian (4.051)
2. Romanian (7.515)
3. Austrian (7.643)
4. Hungarian (7.848)
5. Bosnian (8.630)
6. Moldavian (10.03)
7. Macedonian (10.27)
8. Croatian (10.28)

472. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163

Visigoth (Genetic match)

1. West_German (5.648)
2. Flemish (7.476)
3. South_Dutch (9.766)
4. French (10.49)
5. North_German (12.45)
6. German_Central (12.97)
7. Southwest_English (13.25)
8. Welsh (13.35)

473. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32

Celt + Belgae (4.283)

1. Irish (13.44)
2. Southeast_English (13.90)
3. West_Scottish (14.01)
4. Southwest_English (15.09)
5. North_German (15.12)
6. Danish (15.77)
7. South_Dutch (15.83)
8. Orcadian (16.86)

477. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.42 - SZ42

Celt + Saxon (2.721)



1. Southeast_English (3.255)
2. Danish (3.737)
3. West_Scottish (4.092)
4. Irish (4.170)
5. Southwest_English (4.215)
6. North_Dutch (4.628)
7. North_German (5.220)
8. Orcadian (6.038)

481. Celt Medieval Denmark Odense
1164 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - G427

Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.911)

1. West_Scottish (7.805)
2. Irish (7.985)
3. Southeast_English (8.247)
4. Orcadian (9.152)
5. Southwest_English (9.576)
6. Danish (9.934)
7. North_German (10.80)
8. North_Dutch (10.89)

482. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - R57

Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.01)

1. Tuscan (9.781)
2. Italian_Abruzzo (11.51)
3. West_Sicilian (12.69)
4. Albanian_Tosk (13.40)
5. North_Italian (13.42)
6. Central_Greek (14.03)
7. East_Sicilian (14.32)
8. South_Italian (14.46)

484. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.6 - I3575

Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

1. Tuscan (10.50)
2. West_Sicilian (11.47)
3. North_Italian (12.68)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (14.66)
5. East_Sicilian (16.44)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (17.06)
7. Greek (17.30)
8. Central_Greek (17.51)

488. Early Medievel Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
460 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.71 - STR228

Celt + Alemanni (8.191)

1. Orcadian (9.656)
2. Southwest_English (9.918)
3. Southeast_English (9.951)
4. Irish (10.75)
5. West_Scottish (10.93)
6. North_Dutch (11.79)
7. Welsh (11.93)
8. West_German (12.87)

491. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.79 - G48

Viking Danish (Genetic match)

1. Irish (5.189)
2. Danish (5.203)
3. Southeast_English (5.323)
4. North_Dutch (5.617)
5. West_Scottish (5.639)
6. Southwest_English (5.706)
7. North_German (5.895)
8. Welsh (7.628)

493. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.83 - BIS385

Visigoth + Saxon (4.715)

1. Flemish (6.235)
2. Southeast_English (7.080)
3. Danish (7.268)
4. South_Dutch (7.674)
5. Southwest_English (7.709)
6. North_German (7.827)
7. West_German (7.829)
8. North_Dutch (7.833)




494. Alemannic Bavaria
495 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.89 - STR_316

Viking Danish + Celt (5.499)



1. North_German (7.925)
2. Danish (8.940)
3. Southeast_English (9.597)
4. Irish (9.649)
5. South_Dutch (9.841)
6. West_Scottish (9.937)
7. Southwest_English (10.41)
8. North_Dutch (10.47)

496. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.9 - R60

Roman (4.432)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (4.924)

1. Tuscan (5.034)
2. Italian_Abruzzo (7.080)
3. West_Sicilian (8.330)
4. Albanian_Tosk (9.279)
5. East_Sicilian (10.69)
6. Central_Greek (10.77)
7. North_Italian (11.17)
8. Greek (11.32)

497. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - R59

Roman (5.559)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.395)

1. Tuscan (10.70)
2. West_Sicilian (11.21)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (13.10)
4. Maltese (13.70)
5. North_Italian (13.98)
6. South_Italian (15.72)
7. East_Sicilian (16.12)
8. Central_Greek (16.71)

498. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - Linton

Celt + Saxon (3.637)

1. Southwest_English (4.808)
2. Southeast_English (5.292)
3. West_Scottish (5.767)
4. Orcadian (5.884)
5. Welsh (6.112)
6. North_Dutch (6.237)
7. Irish (6.317)
8. Danish (6.381)

499. Bronze Age Boscombe Airfield England
1680 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - I2464

Belgae + Early Slav (5.201)

1. Austrian (18.54)
2. Southwest_French (19.86)
3. East_German (20.51)
4. Czech (20.83)
5. South_Dutch (22.17)
6. Croatian (22.44)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (23.04)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (23.35)





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Y-DNA Summary for E1b


E1b1b1a1b1 - Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10853)
Al-Andalus + Etruscan (5.522)
Iberian + Al-Andalus (5.929)
Visigoth + Etruscan (6.514)
Rhaeti + Etruscan (6.795)
Iberian + Etruscan (7.112)
Etruscan (7.581)
Rhaeti (9.529)
Visigoth (9.978)
Iberian (10.35)
Al-Andalus (10.37)

E1b1b1a1b1a - Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (I7498)
Al-Andalus (Genetic match)

E1b1b1b1a1 - Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (I12644)
Roman Hispania (2.908)
Al-Andalus + Roman Hispania (4.285)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (6.969)
Roman Hispania + Etruscan (7.105)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (7.249)
Al-Andalus (8.038)
Al-Andalus + Illyrian (9.428)
Illyrian (13.4)
Etruscan (13.49)
Gallo-Roman (13.75)

E1b1b1a1b1a - Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada (I7457)
Etruscan + Phoenician (4.789)
Roman Hispania + Etruscan (5.513)
Al-Andalus + Phoenician (5.888)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (7.096)
Rhaeti + Phoenician (7.308)
Etruscan (9.525)
Phoenician (9.777)
Roman Hispania (10.04)
Al-Andalus (12.08)
Rhaeti (14.52)

E1b - Medieval Tyrolian (SZ18)
Ostrogoth + Frank (5.029)
Thuringii + Ostrogoth (5.983)
Visigoth + Frank (6.251)
Gaul + Ostrogoth (6.559)
Visigoth + Ostrogoth (6.924)
Frank (8.137)
Gaul (9.142)
Visigoth (10.39)
Ostrogoth (11.88)
Thuringii (12.23)

E1b1b1a - Early Medieval Iberia Granada (I3981)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.036)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (5.226)
Roman Hispania + Roman (5.475)
Roman Hispania (5.719)
Illyrian + Carthaginian (7.311)
Roman + Carthaginian (7.549)
Gallo-Roman (11.88)
Illyrian (12.22)
Roman (12.35)
Carthaginian (16.03)

E1b1b1b1a1 - Medieval Taifa of Valencia (I12649)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.249)
Roman Hispania + Thracian (5.116)
Roman + Illyrian (5.558)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (6.009)
Gallo-Roman + Thracian (6.197)
Illyrian (7.047)
Roman (8.316)
Roman Hispania (10.79)
Gallo-Roman (10.89)
Thracian (11.84)

E1b1b1a1b1a Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219)
Viking + Celt (5.179)
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (5.746)
Saxon (5.886)
Viking Icelandic + Vandal (6.314)
Celt + Saxon (6.409)
Viking + Saxon (6.784)
Celt (8.566)
Vandal (9.329)
Viking Icelandic (9.789)
Viking (9.826)

E1b1b1a1b1a - Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo (SzKper239)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.847)
Latin + Phoenician (11.66)
Thracian + Carthaginian (12.16)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (12.74)
Thracian + Phoenician (12.94)
Carthaginian (15.79)
Etruscan (15.93)
Phoenician (16.39)
Latin (17.43)
Thracian (17.45)

E1b1b1a1b1a - Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark (VK362)
Ostrogoth (2.814)
Longobard + Ostrogoth (4.021)
Saxon + Ostrogoth (4.982)
Vandal + Ostrogoth (6.095)
Alemanni + Ostrogoth (6.28)
Longobard + Saxon (7.578)
Longobard (7.664)
Alemanni (10.78)
Saxon (11.2)
Vandal (11.63)

E1b1b1b1 - Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (I7500)
Etruscan + Thracian (6.737)
Roman Hispania + Etruscan (7.034)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (10.16)
Thracian + Illyrian (10.54)
Etruscan + Illyrian (10.55)
Etruscan (12.49)
Roman Hispania (12.78)
Illyrian (13.03)
Al-Andalus (14.55)
Thracian (15.78)

E1b1b1b1 - Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (I7500)


Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.06)
Phoenician (10.46)
Al-Andalus + Phoenician (12.53)
Phoenician + Carthaginian (12.61)
Etruscan + Phoenician (12.89)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (13.08)
Roman Hispania (13.75)
Carthaginian (17.16)
Etruscan (17.96)
Al-Andalus (19.42)

Duarte
01-11-20, 20:05
Last updated - Bronze Age Serbia

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Bavaria BIM_33 Deep Dive:

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Carlos
01-11-20, 23:35
If I'm not mistaken these are my new results from the last few weeks

12. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.46 - I3590

38. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - MOK15

56. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.47 - I3597

72. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.01 - I6624

74. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - VK363

81. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310

88. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.5 - MOK18

89. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.51 - I5017


93. Viking Age Oland Island Sweden
847 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.57 - VK442

112. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.09 - I3594

118. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.3 - I3588

133. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.77 - I6591

160. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.55 - I5520

170. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291

207. Viking Age Gotland Frojel Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.74 - VK431

209. Early Medieval Alemannic Bavaria
420 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.76 - AED1135b

211. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.79 - I7250

228. Viking Age Ribe Jutland
1089 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.5 - VK330

254. Danish-Celtic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.06 - G712b

261. Viking Age Gotland Frojel Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.32 - VK57

262. Medieval Hungary / Balkan
1244 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.38 - DA199

273. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.68 - MOK21

274. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.77 - I3593

297. Viking Settler Erik the Red Farm Greenland
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - VK193

300. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.6 - V4P

305. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany
2325 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.73 - MX259

309. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.77 - I7270

313. Viking Age Gotland Frojel Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.89 - VK435

314. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.94 - I7210

316. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.95 - I3592

321. Viking Age Oland Island Sweden
847 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.07 - VK444

322. Copper Age Lochenice Czech
2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.07 - I5666

330. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.39 - I7288

331. Celtic Medieval Denmark Ribe
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.39 - G397

335. High Status Bronze Age Wehringen
1865 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.48 - WEHR_1586

336. Bell Beaker Scotland
2145 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I5471

338. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c

339. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.53 - VK362

341. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - I7275

346. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth
310 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - MJ37

347. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.66 - ORE-A1

349. Viking Age Ribe Jutland
1084 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.68 - VK322

351. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - I7214

352. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424

353. Copper Age Prague Jinonice
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.84 - I4946

355. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.87 - I7290

363. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.1 - MS10614

365. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.13 - BIS130

370. Iron Age La Monderiere Bessan
125 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - BES1248

371. Bronze Age Yarnton Oxfordshire England
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - I2446

374. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

381. Proto-Celtic Child Bronze Age Wehringen
1957 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.53 - WEHR_1415child

384. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896

390. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I8136

393. Bronze Age Dagger Koenigsbrunn
2046 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.83 - OBKR_80

396. Viking Age Gammel Lejre Sealand Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - VK94

399. Late Neolithic Auvernier Switzerland
2734 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - MX304

401. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57

403. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.07 - PCA157_Mar6

409. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7212

411. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I2653

412. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.25 - I7211

414. Ollsjo Battleaxe Sweden
2860 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.3 - oll007

417. Saxon Hinxton
720 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.4 - HinxtonO1

420. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - GRS-A1

421. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299

422. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003

423. Copper Age Bell Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - I7249


424. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595

Salento
02-11-20, 06:07
Medieval top 10 = (Italy X 10)

https://i.imgur.com/QQUwd6I.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RwPJLZv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FwGVadM.jpg

Carlos
02-11-20, 16:51
Medieval Age


5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.193 - I10895
Visigoth + Vascones (4.831)

14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (4.475)

25. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
Visigoth + Rhaeti (4.057)

26. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.72 - R63
Ligurian + Etruscan (2.875)

28. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
Visigoth + Al-Andalus (5.165)

30. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.94 - R1221
Etruscan + Frank (4.984)

61. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
Al-Andalus + Etruscan (5.522)

65. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.84 - R1289
Iberian + Latin (2.215)

73. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - R55
Illyrian (2.89)

74. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - VK363
Celt + Frank (5.465)

Dark Ages
1. Visigoth Iberian Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.765 - I12034
Visigoth (Genetic match)

4. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.106 - CL94
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (3.788)

17. Late Roman-Era Emporion
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.18 - I8343
Aquitani (6.55)

19. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.31 - CL23
Illyrian (6.439)

40. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.58 - I7676
Visigoth + Iberian (7.397)

51. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.4 - CL47b
Frank (Genetic match)

53. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.45 - CL57
Frank + Illyrian (3.552)

54. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.46 - STR_535

Belgae + Illyrian (11.54)

55. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.46 - I3585
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (4.463)

69. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.94 - SZ28
Gallo-Roman (Genetic match)


​They made me and broke the mold

Duarte
02-11-20, 17:40
My Medievals

Dark Ages
https://i.imgur.com/ZojPNuK.jpg
Medieval Age
https://i.imgur.com/A7aWkmb.jpg

Carlos
05-11-20, 00:19
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A9ZLJuGcngM/X6Mjhml2CcI/AAAAAAAAEqA/qiApfZkORUwpgeBA2XUvDbFJ-i8CxL03wCLcBGAsYHQ/s758/K36ancientOracle.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8WL2FHMIosY/X6MjfCi7dnI/AAAAAAAAEp8/hMcIwz6WIrQxnuyo2pO8GYdX9hrkCpvPQCLcBGAsYHQ/s760/K36ancientOracle2.jpeg

Chek

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sfS4Fuf7DvA/X6MkF6n2inI/AAAAAAAAEqc/7WsRRRiPvwsfhPf_BeSEmqadmif13QTWwCLcBGAsYHQ/s760/K36ChekfitancientOracle.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SPTVbsbovd8/X6MkQ7t0gJI/AAAAAAAAEqg/GjwL2P1ANeML9bt-X-HzyQ9OYYEDpx8SACLcBGAsYHQ/s759/K36ChekfitancientOracle2.jpeg








Now that I see my results on Genoplot.com
I see that Celtiberian takes on a great prominence by the ton, perhaps in MTA they are all those Gallic or Illyrian results because of a lifetime from school hearing that Celtiberians make up our genetic acerbity and suddenly you can't even see it, well here it is.

frank56
05-11-20, 14:19
My closest Ancient population is Belgae

Belgae + Frank (6.085)
Celt + Belgae (6.419)
Celt + Frank (6.964)
Belgae + Saxon (6.993)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.001)
Belgae (7.434)
Celt (10.08)
Frank (10.71)
Viking Danish (12.54)
Saxon (13.24)

torzio
07-11-20, 07:23
new for myself ...........dont know what it means

SNP: rs2032582 (https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/rs2032582) (AA) - Relevance:1.7
Rare genotype, on a triallelic snp


.................................

this is still #1



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.076 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users

Carlos
08-11-20, 20:30
I was thinking that when my ancestor dna Y arrived in Europe someone had to marry his first daughters and against this position my ancestor and his male descendants with their daughters so I am going to check in the haplogroups that in the MTA doughnut they are closer by position to my haplogroup

Green denotes Ancient Sample matches
Purple denotes Deep Dive matches (matching DNA segments)

T1a2b - Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave (CL23)
CT - Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria (I3592)
CT - North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier (OTTM_154)

C-V222 - Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1285)


G2a2a1 - Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany (UNTA58_68Sk1)
G2a2b2a1a1b1a2 - Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi (R108)
G2a2b2b1a1 - Western Scythian Outlier Hungary (DA198)
G2a2b2a1a1b1a2a2 - Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (R55)
G2a - Relic French King Louis XVI (LXVI)
G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a2a1a1 - Roman Cancelleria Basilica (R1224)
G2a2b1 - Byzantine Roman Warrior (NS3b)


I1 - Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi (R110)
I1a2a1a1a - Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark (VK363)
I1a - Cisalpine Gaul (SZ45)
I1a3 - North Central Lombard (CL63)
I1 - Iron Age La Monderiere Bessan (BES1248)

Hypothesis on the assumption that the information that the map offers is reliable.

If I remember where it stopped on the prediction map of my hpalogroup dna Y that it was in Sardinia a next step from Sardinia to here Iron Age La Monderiere Bessan (BES1248) could be feasible and achievable for such remote times.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SrqtShPZUQw/XjW0mrTZCYI/AAAAAAAACnw/reVI737dzroG6Xve-DlT6c6YDekhmSg-ACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/EBY7449tBY7566.JPEG

Salento
13-11-20, 06:34
... my cousin is famous :grin:
lol


https://i.imgur.com/v9egDY2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xFiiMnT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yQw9MoV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5k9mKJF.jpg

Duarte
14-11-20, 02:20
After the last two updates, the highlight is the presence of 10 Bronze Age Serbs, samples from Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis, among my 125 ancient matches. Four of them also are in my ‘Deep Dive’.

https://i.imgur.com/nk9HO40.png
https://i.imgur.com/nfpch0I.png
https://i.imgur.com/8HT16bc.png
https://i.imgur.com/eynp8Gy.png
https://i.imgur.com/DcY95aG.png
https://i.imgur.com/kBpJZXM.png
https://i.imgur.com/txIUDMN.png
https://i.imgur.com/TBAcI4K.png
https://i.imgur.com/3hP9PGQ.png
1https://i.imgur.com/wiCu0Ns.png
https://i.imgur.com/wfDvcFK.png
https://i.imgur.com/lwc1aYi.png
https://i.imgur.com/tLpQKmr.png
https://i.imgur.com/t0enP11.png

Carlos
14-11-20, 13:29
Number one on three Deep Dives


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bgwFDH6GgFQ/X51xnneiSaI/AAAAAAAAEpE/NavWdb6eShsWmCL91ee6JoaKu9ueYZG8wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/CooperAgeIrlbachStraubingBavariaI6624.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eVe0eSFUdPE/X6XsgiKRGpI/AAAAAAAAEq8/0jCgZuawqHoPsgemr7TYitmi6XNpv3JDwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1324/EarlyBronzeAgemokrinNecr%25C3%25B3polisSerbia1950b cMOK15.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OB2-ZulgbE/X6--K7GN6WI/AAAAAAAAEso/Y-so7hLjDloghS_FsBIIrLXLZsGE8ne2QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG

Someday I will tell how I became a Viking although it is a long story...

Salento
14-11-20, 15:25
2 new samples, ... :thinking: a bit too close to my pandemic Comfort-Zone :wary2:


https://i.imgur.com/Hw1nMU9.jpg

Salento
14-11-20, 16:10
Auto-double-post above ?

torzio
15-11-20, 08:08
In the new Timeline fingerprint ...the first is with sample R1 of which 1 share 1763 snp's

next best is sample I4331 with 725 shared Snp

3rd is sample SZ32 with 710 shared snps

Salento
15-11-20, 20:40
In the new Timeline fingerprint ...the first is with sample R1 of which 1 share 1763 snp's

next best is sample I4331 with 725 shared Snp

3rd is sample SZ32 with 710 shared snps

Top Sample: SZ1 with 4604 shared SNPs

https://i.imgur.com/lgrejBW.jpg

... random :)

Otzi 892 - scy192 518 - I14332 419 - I3313 320

https://i.imgur.com/UZ8htea.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TnUpjEl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gqTzr4d.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iBlN2TL.jpg

Salento
15-11-20, 20:56
Latin R437 705 snps - Latin R850 613 snps

https://i.imgur.com/ZLUwfR8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1zniZlz.jpg

R436 Roman Imperial Palestrina 807snps
https://i.imgur.com/oLikl1r.jpg

Carlos
16-11-20, 13:45
All my matches with Viking. A great Viking lot, I remember two other great lots among my results that overflowed also my grill that were the Catalan iron called so maybe but it was representative of the Iberian peninsular iron and the other great lot was The Alps. I know you are as excited as I am.


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-94RZIyk6V2A/X7BvixhzH5I/AAAAAAAAEs0/zh1Q83Dr1SYR2h457N_QB7VWNzVx_0uxQCLcBGAsYHQ/s358/viking47.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/---2Dfrt1i90/X7BvloquUlI/AAAAAAAAEs4/71VG_cD_WOYspx0VNlqZtxpQxv1EpvfTgCLcBGAsYHQ/s386/viking77.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LXFDEn-kPys/X7BvoVAiUoI/AAAAAAAAEs8/XbeKzwJC7144Uz_4hLIzYXGK7xpWMPa6gCLcBGAsYHQ/s329/viking97.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WPDTusdKtsE/X7BvrFyyV7I/AAAAAAAAEtA/E39jpcAjM5wCJargCFzqQn03THCNr_2jwCLcBGAsYHQ/s379/viking111.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YJSiPSPT4zs/X7Bvt73ZvwI/AAAAAAAAEtE/loidufXGZ6Q3R22bRlFzWOakb6SmBryswCLcBGAsYHQ/s383/viking161.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nHkA1HrlSFc/X7BvwKSuS-I/AAAAAAAAEtI/LfCL4xZ2nQAF-6bKbaMrUoKGzYqvK6FEwCLcBGAsYHQ/s400/viking199.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QNWFW-tbhOw/X7BvyYhiegI/AAAAAAAAEtM/7CVRPCqxHQU8U1n6TaciHBWTuGApxagEACLcBGAsYHQ/s346/viking217.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FIxe5Zj8j4A/X7Bv0djhBVI/AAAAAAAAEtQ/JQvtcEFBZ4YTBGYKENXtLNgLmHtG3QPuwCLcBGAsYHQ/s281/viking239.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VugwuHf9zRU/X7Bv50DbqoI/AAAAAAAAEtc/mg5sCU_2EykWTvbxjOiLqyQt7D57PrxfwCLcBGAsYHQ/s302/viking242.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wb-Lg0Kwsa0/X7Bv8MrVInI/AAAAAAAAEtg/mcVxnh2j_psh8juDvLZeBsWWyXvo2IhWgCLcBGAsYHQ/s343/viking272.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pTTz1yoBnZ8/X7Bv-jIEOiI/AAAAAAAAEtk/0GQjTA3FB2oW_tJEwqfm97lmsWjvKHImwCLcBGAsYHQ/s418/viking307.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TOnysNRtnok/X7BwBD2k2dI/AAAAAAAAEto/nNCgZ1DHN0s94NLR2QxUswg3RZMueg3tACLcBGAsYHQ/s335/viking310.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b83gs4WVwxU/X7BwE0QHB3I/AAAAAAAAEts/nIRtsU6lnXcwDO5HQO0P5aJCyf7-dwCrwCLcBGAsYHQ/s348/viking323.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NRW51uUW5vI/X7BwHVOQfuI/AAAAAAAAEtw/nxPtgswGvW0duOMhz7azi3qS1Ow14wZ3gCLcBGAsYHQ/s340/viking331.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IKbDNbNNf9I/X7BwKCk1GYI/AAAAAAAAEt4/fVRGewjC_CE6-LVDIAF4A8-qQvkCuGpcgCLcBGAsYHQ/s408/viking350.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iWmYKAv3LSk/X7BwNLXBafI/AAAAAAAAEuA/Za_dZHoz1g8KEVGoB1RfDNSjnuJv5ss_QCLcBGAsYHQ/s341/viking359.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9_RUgx9KbVw/X7BwRrXMAnI/AAAAAAAAEuI/medG_gysBOUOt81ok9aQTiqeyo8xeVQxACLcBGAsYHQ/s289/viking361%252Cjpeg.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Wxg4LWXFYQ/X7Bw65VTQ_I/AAAAAAAAEuc/NPawXxIZlQ8EWW4u6neWfKeq2J29s6ZlACLcBGAsYHQ/s355/viking363.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7zbpbOANigA/X7Bw9V4KESI/AAAAAAAAEug/YSdIuygmdZgmmoIknp4jfeQzZB7ZW_AewCLcBGAsYHQ/s362/Viking367.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JsNWwCPaL-o/X7BxAIBRrDI/AAAAAAAAEuk/AixUmI2cGRIUBXvZTi9xFdtugXpan6YBQCLcBGAsYHQ/s366/viking383.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GkxfnBZ54QI/X7BxCz1eNcI/AAAAAAAAEuo/tOxp7b1mfnYK0jKd2h-12zxE28RW_PNjACLcBGAsYHQ/s327/viking391.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KklcXdDeSRA/X7BxFj_ROiI/AAAAAAAAEus/1nm5sJRjyZUJbxLt0yGT_0vS2UOtcN7xQCLcBGAsYHQ/s278/viking394.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QpgrnRbEY9Q/X7BxIXeb49I/AAAAAAAAEuw/iddYj2lJmUw3Z3Jw12ll5Idt7hsOSeEqgCLcBGAsYHQ/s329/viking400.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mcdrIG_cDcw/X7BxNpLSnoI/AAAAAAAAEu4/xWkN6QTsq6QBtpzvpzocm9twhNEs1GRZACLcBGAsYHQ/s352/viking402.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Zo_xINdQ2qE/X7BxPg1bQEI/AAAAAAAAEu8/D1lmIPlH3U4-n1YifRRXY0e1d40JQHCcACLcBGAsYHQ/s301/viking403.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XY2zchKgeFk/X7BxSLsvdKI/AAAAAAAAEvA/THw8DJIA9WUEaQXKENIM-o_4I0MS_7XyACLcBGAsYHQ/s321/viking411.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EHXLuIemCwo/X7BxUtuC6vI/AAAAAAAAEvI/PhMlR7ecYrsMZ8CMx2VI0Nf-bkHNJ0B3QCLcBGAsYHQ/s325/viking414.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R8_MvueZa_Q/X7BxW2VCbJI/AAAAAAAAEvQ/he7M3xuzJ_I-8Fau5o5mM_GG6SlEKuTYACLcBGAsYHQ/s420/viking415.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_Q5uB-nfkXc/X7BxZLaTUfI/AAAAAAAAEvU/BhDGL3-GTk4gLuUGKUrtJSDQHZ2zzl21gCLcBGAsYHQ/s338/viking420.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PkAdwbZT59M/X7BxbZP1-HI/AAAAAAAAEvc/WvbXo0fE-MAEgYa7d_-zPl81ojw0pbzgACLcBGAsYHQ/s264/viking423.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OB2-ZulgbE/X6--K7GN6WI/AAAAAAAAEso/Y-so7hLjDloghS_FsBIIrLXLZsGE8ne2QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG

Salento
17-11-20, 02:35
In the new Timeline fingerprint ...the first is with sample R1 of which 1 share 1763 snp's

next best is sample I4331 with 725 shared Snp

3rd is sample SZ32 with 710 shared snps

SZ32 612 SNPs

https://i.imgur.com/QBMDABI.jpg

Salento
17-11-20, 03:29
With a massive 4604 shared SNPs, 1000 BC SZ1 must be a “Base” Ancestral sample, from which most of my other matching samples get a piece of. I Think :)


https://i.imgur.com/WPXFUyO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lgrejBW.jpg

Salento
20-11-20, 05:58
”Multiple samples can share the same segments, this can denote greater common ancestry.”

45 samples sharing the same segment:

https://i.imgur.com/41aVSah.jpg

torzio
20-11-20, 19:51
With a massive 4604 shared SNPs, 1000 BC SZ1 must be a “Base” Ancestral sample, from which most of my other matching samples get a piece of. I Think :)


https://i.imgur.com/WPXFUyO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lgrejBW.jpg


SZ1 was found in ancient western pannonia ( hungaria )/northern dalmatian,,,, ancient northern "illyrian" group ...................most likely forefather of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians

Salento
21-11-20, 02:51
Deleted ...

Carlos
21-11-20, 16:58
Now let's see my results from the year 1000 DA

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Europe_1000.jpg/750px-Europe_1000.jpg14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (4.475)

22. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.51 - LM_406_T
Gallo-Roman + Frank (4.185)

25. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
Visigoth + Rhaeti (4.057)

28. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
Visigoth + Al-Andalus (5.165)

30. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.94 - R1221
Etruscan + Frank (4.984)

47. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265
Belgae + Vascones (3.737)

63. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
Al-Andalus + Etruscan (5.522)

67. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.84 - R1289
Iberian + Latin (2.215)

76. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - R55
Illyrian (2.89)

89. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - I8145
Aquitani + Gallo-Roman (13.97)

95. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.55 - I12514
Al-Andalus + Illyrian (5.302)

98. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.59 - I2649
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (5.732)

100. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.61 - SI-40
Crusader (Genetic match)
101. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.62 - I7498
Al-Andalus (Genetic match)

103. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.64 - I12515
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.027)

106. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.69 - R1287
Gallo-Roman + Roman (5.06)

111. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.91 - VK538
Gaul + Boii (3.986)

120. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (7.596)

122. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.28 - R61
Visigoth + Etruscan (6.796)

124. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.36 - I2515
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.996)

144. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.95 - I12516
Etruscan + Illyrian (7.596)

149. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.03 - I12644
Roman Hispania (2.908)

151. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.23 - SLC1006
Frank + Illyrian (7.337)

155. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.3 - R1285
Illyrian + Phoenician (5.549)

156. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.35 - LM_306_T
Belgae + Ostrogoth (4.782)

161. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.46 - VK536
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.529)

162. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.49 - I2644
Roman Hispania (5.583)

167. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.58 - I7425
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.968)

173. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1120 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.7 - I2514
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (6.594)


176. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291
Viking Icelandic + Vascones (6.572)

177. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - I3809
Iberian + Roman Hispania (8.691)

180. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - I7457
Etruscan + Phoenician (4.789)

189. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.17 - R1220
Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.209)

192. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.27 - LXVI
Roman + Illyrian (5.65)

213. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116
Thuringii + Frank (9.422)

226. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.92 - Marat
Al-Andalus + Frank (7.196)

233. Roman Cancelleria Basilica
1090 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.29 - R1224
Celt + Ostrogoth (4.254)

236. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.36 - I12649
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.249)

239. Viking Age Ribe Jutland
1089 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.5 - VK330
Saxon + Ostrogoth (6.067)

249. Franco Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1215 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.75 - R62
Ostrogoth + Frank (5.412)

253. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.8 - I12645
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.762)

265. Danish-Celtic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.06 - G712b
Visigoth + Frank (5.022)

267. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.12 - I12647
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.161)

273. Medieval Hungary / Balkan
1244 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.38 - DA199
Visigoth + Scythian (7.286)

278. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1115 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.49 - I10897
Celt + Iberian (3.729)

286. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.79 - I2647
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.63)

299. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.22 - G104b
Viking Danish + Visigoth (3.845)

302. Immigrant Medieval Denmark
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.28 - G274
Belgae + Celtiberian (9.861)

310. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.6 - V4P
Celt + Ostrogoth (7.554)

321. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.86 - I8147
Latin + Thracian (11.68)

336. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1440 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.18 - R1219
Viking + Celt (5.179)

338. Oxford Infirmiary
1790 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - CSD
Celt + Vandal (3.068)

342. Celtic Medieval Denmark Ribe
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.39 - G397
Viking Icelandic (8.85)

349. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c
Viking Icelandic + Celtiberian (8.763)

361. Viking Age Ribe Jutlan
1084 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.68 - VK322d
Viking Icelandic + Celt (2.841)


363. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - VK269
Viking Icelandic (4.347)

365. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424

Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)

367. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - VK267
Pict + Vascones (4.015)

372. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.0 - I3807
Etruscan + Thracian (6.737)

379. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.11 - LM_213_T
Iberian + Vascones (11.12)

382. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.15 - VK426
Alemanni + Vascones (5.423)

383. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.18 - V1P
Viking Icelandic + Celtiberian (5.826)

391. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.44 - V8P
Viking + Boii (6.152)

395. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.49 - I7423
Etruscan + Carthaginian (9.241)

400. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.56 - V2P
Longobard + Ostrogoth (3.816)

402. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - VK266
Viking + Celt (2.316)

403. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.59 - VK111
Viking Icelandic + Celt (2.668)

408. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A
Viking + Belgae (9.034)

411. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.83 - V5P
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (4.466)

414. Viking Sweden - Basque Female
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - bns023
Celt + Belgae (14.8)

417. Sala Silver Mine Sweden
1610 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.92 - Sk6990
Celt + Belgae (5.553)

420. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
Viking Danish + Belgae (3.866)

422. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.07 - PCA157_Mar6
Boii + Ostrogoth (10.49)

423. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.09 - VK95
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (2.004)

Duarte
21-11-20, 18:16
Iberians among my 125 ancient samples

4. Visigoth Iberian Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.859 - I12034
Top
99 % match vs all users


6. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.948 - I3585
Top
99 % match vs all users


7. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.04 - I12514
Top
98 % match vs all users


8. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.34 - I12516
Top
99 % match vs all users



13. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.64 - I2649
Top
99 % match vs all users



16. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.99 - I3239
Top
99 % match vs all users



22. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.44 - I7498
Top
98 % match vs all users



24. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.49 - I2515
Top
97 % match vs all users



27. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - I10853
Top
99 % match vs all users


28. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.64 - I10866
Top
98 % match vs all users


29. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I12515
Top
97 % match vs all users



35. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.06 - I7425
Top
98 % match vs all users



41. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.41 - I10852
Top
99 % match vs all users



43. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.43 - I10851
Top
99 % match vs all users



48. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.61 - I10895
Top
98 % match vs all users


49. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.63 - I3981
Top
98 % match vs all users



51. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1120 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.82 - I2514
Top
97 % match vs all users



53. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.9 - I2644
Top
98 % match vs all users



63. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.13 - I7457
Top
99 % match vs all users


64. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.18 - I12644
Top
98 % match vs all users



67. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.28 - I12647
Top
98 % match vs all users


68. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.41 - I3982
Top
98 % match vs all users


69. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.42 - I12649
Top
96 % match vs all users



72. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.59 - I2647
Top
98 % match vs all users



80. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.96 - I12645
Top
99 % match vs all users



81. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.24 - I3582
Top
98 % match vs all users



86. Greco-Era Emporion
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - I8341
Top
99 % match vs all users



91. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.59 - I4556
Top
99 % match vs all users



104. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.21 - I12208
Top
99 % match vs all users


105. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.22 - I8475
Top
98 % match vs all users



109. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.39 - I12209
Top
99 % match vs all users


125. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.07 - I3807
Top
99 % match vs all users

Salento
21-11-20, 20:05
... by coincidence, though some say there’s not such a thing, two of the Skeleton Lake samples are strikingly close to my final Haplogroups.

... saw them on Ancient Aliens :)
... apparently they got too close to Shambala, but only the Worthy are allowed to Enter, so the Yeti (protector of Shambala) hit them hard,

and that’s how they ended up at the bottom of the Lake, ... yep :smile:

https://i.imgur.com/WmcBDf4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dvd2bFt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UnWN8BL.jpg

Salento
21-11-20, 21:17
... also, Croma Analysis shows that the Skeleton Lake samples close to my Haplogroups are next to each other,
... my Parents’ genes must have met in the past too :)

https://i.imgur.com/gMf4F3z.jpg

torzio
22-11-20, 01:52
... by coincidence, though some say there’s not such a thing, two of the Skeleton Lake samples are strikingly close to my final Haplogroups.

... saw them on Ancient Aliens :)
... apparently they got too close to Shambala, but only the Worthy are allowed to Enter, so the Yeti (protector of Shambala) hit them hard,

and that’s how they ended up at the bottom of the Lake, ... yep :smile:

https://i.imgur.com/WmcBDf4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dvd2bFt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UnWN8BL.jpg


i only have this one



43. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.57 - I3404
Top 95 % match vs all users

Salento
22-11-20, 03:09
i only have this one



43. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.57 - I3404
Top 95 % match vs all users


Even though the samples are only 200 years old ... I do wonder if there’s a tribal or local connection between a y T1a2 line and mt H12,

... both Haplogroups are not that popular, but I3403 and I3404 were found together and they are a close match to me :)

mt H12
3. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.02 - I3404
Top 98 % match vs all users

y T1a2 (L131)
27. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.76 - I3403
Top 99 % match vs all users

Salento
23-11-20, 02:24
Ancient Ancestry:
https://i.imgur.com/nDwn9D5.jpg


Ancestral Timelapse:
https://i.imgur.com/k913ko8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JnlPYhn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ddrYiz6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/taGmQzP.jpg

Salento
23-11-20, 17:18
... Compared to the old LivDNA timeline,
about 1,700 and 500 years ago:
(... maybe a Brits bias, or a Roman lineage)

https://i.imgur.com/RcesZtX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZCsQFf5.jpg

Salento
24-11-20, 02:45
mtDNA H12:

https://i.imgur.com/IdrSkXx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VEg7xii.jpg


3. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.02 - I3404
Top 98 % match vs all users

68. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.64 - I6937
Top 98 % match vs all users

96. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.92 - R1283
Top 96 % match vs all users

https://i.imgur.com/ktGEEBb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GL5d3Ib.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7wtMtH6.jpg

Carlos
24-11-20, 03:59
My latest updates in:

Your European Ancestral Timelapse map
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fJKfEG27K9s/X7xj5czENJI/AAAAAAAAExI/BbvxxhMLsa4GkcumsYt4RfgEY0HL5ZWHQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/EuropeAncientAncestryNoviembre.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HS84VyaPUzo/X7xkAclpEsI/AAAAAAAAExM/W5to8nUEqso5ixXmLUPt3lBb0OErgUXTwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/EuropeNeoliticAge.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-quuOe24SJ0Q/X7xkIPORv3I/AAAAAAAAExQ/8ZKER-P-fr8OqhHubftmYm2HomywfE1XgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/EuropeBronzeAGE.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-n9wzlZzF5XM/X7xkQuxBerI/AAAAAAAAExc/vrY_tttEM_wQV8pdWe7moPFNTtSGJLJNQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/EuropeIronAgeNoviembre.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eik5-IX2s58/X7xkYaJLylI/AAAAAAAAExk/Hij1ci6OqT4aZHRCX10Yp6sZAFP80eQcQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/EuropeEarlyMedievalNoviembre.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-w76HM_blO_U/X7xkels0auI/AAAAAAAAExo/RKYf-RPqrbYVfOY1TxPQae1iKcTzN-uvQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/EuropeMedievalAgeNoviembre.jpeg

Salento
24-11-20, 04:11
:thinking: ... Skeleton Lake in the Himalayas has two H12 Mediterranean samples, dated 1805 and 1810.

... assuming they’re related, after 5 years missing, the 1810 sample went to search for the 1805 sample, but she suffered the same fate :(
I guess :)

Salento
24-11-20, 04:38
@Carlos very :cool-v:

Salento
24-11-20, 10:07
Interesting, ... in 860 AD the population of Rome was just around 35.000,
... R1283 (with my H12 mtDNA) was one of those Romans :)

https://i.imgur.com/xqHPZnT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6ENWwp7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Acnvhzk.jpg

Carlos
24-11-20, 15:30
:thinking: ... Skeleton Lake in the Himalayas has two H12 Mediterranean samples, dated 1805 and 1810.

... assuming they’re related, after 5 years missing, the 1810 sample went to search for the 1805 sample, but she suffered the same fate :(
I guess :)


The legend had spread that in that inhospitable place the dead lived and there you could meet again with your dear ones already dead so that many were those who started the way but nobody returned to tell it what increased the myth and encouraged for centuries more pilgrims to take the road becoming finally the myth in reality.

Duarte
24-11-20, 17:27
Italians among my 125 ancient samples

2. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.629 - CL94

3. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.714 - R474

5. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.945 - R33

14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.87 - R63

20. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.25 - R55

45. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.55 - R109

50. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.69 - R1287

52. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - R473

57. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.05 - R61
58. Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - R108
60. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - R1221

61. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.1 - R105

62. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.12 - R1015

84. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.36 - VK538

85. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - CL47b

87. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.42 - R1285

88. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.45 - R36

89. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.49 - CL57

93. Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.68 - R110

96. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.82 - CL23

107. Latin Tribe Inland BE
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.3 - R1021

108. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.37 - R1

114. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily
2073 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.58 - I8561

123. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.93 - VK536

124. Late Copper Age Italy
2600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.94 - 9314_Oss

Salento
25-11-20, 01:13
... out of 100 samples ... my Ancient Iberians:

https://i.imgur.com/kIj18Nt.jpg

Salento
25-11-20, 04:19
... it would be cool to know Romulus’ haplogroups, ...


https://i.imgur.com/DpaWGkZ.jpg

Carlos
25-11-20, 13:56
My results with the Iberian Peninsula

1. Visigoth Iberian Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.765 - I12034
Visigoth (Genetic match)

5. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.193 - I10895
Visigoth + Vascones (4.831)

6. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.529 - I10866
Vascones + Gallo-Roman (6.976)

14. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - I10852
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (4.475)

24. Greco-Era Emporion
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I8341
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (6.334)

25. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I10851
Visigoth + Rhaeti (4.057)

28. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.81 - T-145-2
Visigoth + Al-Andalus (5.165)

32. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.13 - I12209
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (1.685)

33. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.17 - I3239
Rhaeti + Etruscan (2.833)

34. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.19 - I4556
Iberian (Genetic match)

40. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.58 - I7676
Visigoth + Iberian (7.397)

42. Iron Age Catalan
620 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.63 - I12640
Belgae + Aquitani (6.844)

44. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.75 - I12878
Iberian (Genetic match)

51. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.39 - I3320
Iberian (Genetic match)

54. Iberian Settlement Catalonia Spain
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.44 - I3496
Vascones + Latin (1.331)

57. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.46 - I3585
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (4.463)

59. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.49 - I3238
Vascones + Gallo-Roman (3.927)

60. Menorca Late Bronze Age
861 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.55 - I3315
Iberian + Latin (1.244)

61. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.63 - I8475
Iberian + Roman Hispania (5.384)

63. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - I10853
Al-Andalus + Etruscan (5.522)

79. Vascones Tribe
460 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.14 - I12879
Vascones (Genetic match)

83. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.25 - I12208

Latin + Rhaeti (2.319)

87. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.36 - I3243
Vascones + Latin (1.803)

89. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - I8145
Aquitani + Gallo-Roman (13.97)

91. Vascones Tribe Vasconia
280 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.42 - I3759
Vascones (Genetic match)

95. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.55 - I12514
Al-Andalus + Illyrian (5.302)

98. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.59 - I2649
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (5.732)

99. Vascones Tribe Vasconia
280 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.59 - I3758
Vascones (Genetic match)

101. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.62 - I7498
Al-Andalus (Genetic match)

102. Roman Era Empuries
80 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.63 - I8339
Iberian + Latin (1.346)

103. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.64 - I12515
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.027)

107. Basque Post-Roman Era Barcelona
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.73 - I3777
Vascones (Genetic match)

108. Ilergetes Outlier Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.75 - I12410
Iberian + Latin (2.082)

109. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1440 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.78 - I2472
Iberian + Latin (1.754)

112. Roman-Era Emporion
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.94 - I8202
Vascones + Latin (2.513)

114. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.05 - I10892
Vascones + Etruscan (10.61)

124. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.36 - I2515
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.996)

125. Vasconic Greco-Era Empuries
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.38 - I8209
Vascones + Latin (3.309)

Carlos
25-11-20, 14:28
We continue with the Iberian Peninsula

128. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.48 - TV3831
Iberian + Latin (3.747)

129. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.54 - I7497
Iberian + Roman Hispania (8.183)

130. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.56 - ValeOuro10207
Iberian (4.42)

135. Vasconic Tribe Empuries
375 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.68 - I8214
Vascones + Latin (2.241)

137. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.77 - I7673
Vascones + Celtiberian (2.253)

144. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.95 - I12516
Etruscan + Illyrian (7.596)

148. Mallorca Early Bronze Age
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.0 - I4329
Ligurian + Latin (2.088)

149. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.03 - I12644
Roman Hispania (2.908)

152. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1560 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.23 - VAD001
Iberian + Latin (3.544)

153. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1350 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.23 - ESP005
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (2.788)

157. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.35 - I12171
Iberian (2.052)

160. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.45 - I3982
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

162. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.49 - I2644
Roman Hispania (5.583)

167. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.58 - I7425
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.968)

168. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.6 - I3493
Iberian (1.272)

169. Iron Age Catalan
680 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.61 - I12641
Latin + Frank (7.673)

172. Ullastret Iberian Head Girona
225 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.67 - I3327
Iberian (Genetic match)

173. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1120 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.7 - I2514
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (6.594)

177. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - I3809
Iberian + Roman Hispania (8.691)

180. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - I7457
Etruscan + Phoenician (4.789)

182. Ilercavones Catalan
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.01 - I3321
Iberian + Latin (3.496)

184. El Sotillo Basque Country
1555 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.03 - I1977
Ligurian + Latin (4.024)

185. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.04 - I6490
Iberian + Aquitani (5.012)

195. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.36 - I12877
Celtiberian + Latin (2.987)

207. Ullastret Ligurian Head Girona
280 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.5 - I3324
Ligurian (Genetic match)

210. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.58 - I3981
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.036)

211. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1440 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.6 - I1840
Iberian + Latin (4.805)

214. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.66 - I7672
Belgae + Boii (8.489)

215. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1560 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.66 - VAD005
Iberian + Latin (3.742)


218. Greco-Era Emporion
450 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.76 - I8213
Iberian + Aquitani (7.326)

220. Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.78 - I8203
Ligurian + Latin (5.363)

232. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.28 - I12561
Ligurian + Latin (7.471)

235. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.36 - I7675
Celtiberian + Latin (5.514)

236. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.36 - I12649
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.249)

238. Portugal Bronze Age
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.47 - VO10207
Latin (4.449)

245. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.59 - MonteGato104
Latin (4.49)

253. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.8 - I12645
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.762)

255. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.86 - I4055
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (8.435)

257. Pre-Indo European Tribe
1440 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.92 - I2471
Iberian + Rhaeti (6.131)

258. Post-Roman Era Barcelona
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.96 - I3776
Belgae (15.63)

262. Pre-Indo European Tribe
1440 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.01 - I2470
Iberian + Latin (4.585)

263. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.01 - I3577
Gallo-Roman + Phoenician (11.52)

267. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.12 - I12647
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.161)

276. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.47 - I3574
Iberian + Celtiberian (3.03)

278. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1115 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.49 - I10897
Celt + Iberian (3.729)

281. Visigoth Frankish Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.59 - I12032
Visigoth + Frank (3.644)

285. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1560 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.78 - VAD004
Iberian + Latin (2.602)

286. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.79 - I2647
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (4.63)

288. Copper Age Iberia
3100 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.84 - por003
Iberian + Latin (7.657)

289. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco
1800 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.86 - I7162

Iberian + Latin (7.152)

295. Greco-Era Emporion
375 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.98 - I8210
Ligurian + Latin (8.994)

300. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.25 - I3582
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

309. Celtiberian Northern Spain
350 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.54 - I3757

Celtiberian (Genetic match)

312. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.68 - I3490
Iberian + Etruscan (7.01)

316. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.74 - I12162
Visigoth (Genetic match)

318. Ullastret Germanic Head Girona
225 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.76 - I3326
Boii + Saxon (4.815)

321. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.86 - I8147
Latin + Thracian (11.68)

330. Iron Age Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.04 - I12642
Celt + Aquitani (12.53)

333. Iberia Bronze Age
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.1 - ATP9
Iberian + Latin (4.728)

337. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.22 - TV32032
Iberian + Latin (4.499)

340. Iberia Pre-Bell Beaker
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.34 - ATP2
Latin + Phoenician (9.166)

345. Ullastret Iberian Head Girona
280 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.43 - I3323
Iberian + Latin (7.0)

348. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576

Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

365. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)

371. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

372. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.0 - I3807
Etruscan + Thracian (6.737)

378. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.1 - MS10614
Phoenician (Genetic match)

385. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
3250 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.3 - I3214
Latin (9.29)

395. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.49 - I7423
Etruscan + Carthaginian (9.241)

404. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
475 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.63 - I3756
Latin (7.358)

409. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I8136
Iberian + Latin (6.908)

416. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

421. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865
Iberian + Phoenician (6.765)

And in outliers samples I get to see some more samples below 425


430. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.06)

439. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204
Phoenician + Carthaginian (5.336)

443. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003
Phoenician (Genetic match)

474. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (16.03)

492. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031
Scythian + Gaul (6.59)

494. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163
Visigoth (Genetic match)

Salento
25-11-20, 15:35
@Carlos can you please post some info about I4055, Thank You :)

Carlos
25-11-20, 17:22
@Carlos can you please post some info about I4055, Thank You :)

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Carlos
25-11-20, 18:02
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My kit is the white circle compared to Villa Granada
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And here is my white circle kit (File imputed) compared to Villa Granada

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Roman Villa Granada Spain (I4055)
Your Outlier Samples...91. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.53 - SNN001
Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)

209. Ancient Gotlander Outlier
2750 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.75 - Gok4

Lusitanian + Etruscan (16.78)

243. Sicily Salaparuta Bell Beaker
2200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - I4936
Lusitanian + Etruscan (14.27)

278. Neolithic Scotland
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.33 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (5.906)

293. Lithuanian Smallpox Child
1654 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.57 - Variola
Lusitanian (11.87)

323. Medieval Norway Oslo
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.1 - OSL1C
Visigoth + Alemanni (9.39)

340. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.65 - G896

Alemanni (12.44)

354. North Sea Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.0 - G417
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (5.879)

362. Guanche Canary Islands
960 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - gun005

Guanches (Genetic match)

376. Early Bronze Age Castellucciana Sicily
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.34 - I7800
Latin (14.65)

380. Guanche Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.49 - gun006
Guanches + Roman (7.03)

383. Mesolithic Jerpoint West Kilkenny Ireland
3550 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.56 - JP14
Etruscan + Balari (3.316)

387. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.61 - CL110
Ancient Greek (17.12)

397. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
3250 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.74 - I3214
Latin (9.29)

404. Lusitanian Coimbra
950 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.82 - I7688
Lusitanian (Genetic match)

409. Bell Beaker Scotland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.98 - I2568

Visigoth + Longobard (4.26)

410. Bronze Age Angamollan Sweden
1360 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.98 - Rise210
Visigoth + Alemanni (12.63)

416. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany
1975 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.04 - POST_35
Alemanni (Genetic match)

417. Hungarian Conqueror Karos II Outlier
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.05 - K2per18_GE

Guanches + Hungarian Conqueror (18.19)

419. Neolithic Wettolsheim France
3525 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.11 - WET370-2
Carthaginian + Balari (4.928)

429. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
475 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.29 - I3756
Latin (7.358)

432. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.37 - Linton
Celt + Saxon (3.637)

433. Neolithic Rosheim France
4600 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.37 - ROS45
Phoenician + Carthaginian (8.106)

435. Iberia Pre-Bell Beaker
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.44 - ATP2
Latin + Phoenician (9.166)

436. Lombard Grave Outlier
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.44 - SZ35
Seleucid + Sarmatian (36.95)

440. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.53 - VK426
Alemanni + Vascones (5.423)

442. Plague Victim Pestbacken Blekinge Sweden
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.54 - PC6-PEB10
Viking + Celt (9.796)

447. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.61 - I12646
Latin + Thracian (18.77)
Latin + Etruscan (19.92)

451. Bronze Age Valencia Lloma de Betxi
1841 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.7 - I3997
Latin (7.725)

456. Lusitanian Coimbra
950 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.77 - I7687
Lusitanian (Genetic match)

459. North Sea Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.82 - G314
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (5.548)

460. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.84 - Niedertiefenbach38
Latin (9.261)

461. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.87 - I3584
Latin (9.694)

463. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.93 - SNN001
Phoenician + Balari (13.79)

464. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.96 - G119
Viking Icelandic + Visigoth (6.174)

466. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.98 - VIL007
Carthaginian (Genetic match)

467. North Alpine Bronze Age
1755 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.02 - AITI_95
Latin (8.55)

469. Neolithic Wettolsheim France
3525 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.05 - WET370-1
Etruscan + Iolaes (4.015)
Carthaginian + Balari (4.879)

470. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.06 - I7278
Saxon + Frank (3.272)

475. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.14 - I12877
Celtiberian + Latin (2.987)

478. Bronze Age Wehringen
1956 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.17 - WEHR_1564
Celt + Alemanni (7.467)

479. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.26 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (4.77)

480. Cambridgeshire Iron Age
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.3 - 15594A
Celt + Saxon (4.976)

481. Strachow Bronze Age Poland
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.31 - I6538
Celt + Alemanni (10.36)

483. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.33 - SZ42
Celt + Saxon (2.721)

488. Camino del Molino Spain
2700 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.36 - C53
Etruscan + Balari (2.365)

489. Carthago Mix Iberia
2600 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.36 - CMOL53
Etruscan + Balari (2.365)

492. Danish-Celtic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.42 - G712
Viking Icelandic + Frank (8.688)

493. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.46 - I7042
Ancient Greek + Phoenician (8.41)
Minoan + Phoenician (8.859)
Ancient Greek + Carthaginian (9.084)
Philistine + Carthaginian (9.343)
Philistine + Phoenician (9.688)
Carthaginian (11.4)
Philistine (12.67)
Phoenician (13.21)
Ancient Greek (15.18)
Minoan (19.65)

497. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.55 - V5P
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (4.466)


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Salento
25-11-20, 19:20
Thank you very much Carlos :)

... I4055 is reported as y T1a2..., but it looks like MTA hasn’t added his Y Haplogroup yet.

Carlos
25-11-20, 22:21
Thank you very much Carlos :)

... I4055 is reported as y T1a2..., but it looks like MTA hasn’t added his Y Haplogroup yet.

The other two that I have seen from Villa Romana were J dna And perhaps the one that concerns us is T

Kit: Roman Villa Granada Spain (I4055)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.612 - I12516
2. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.697 - I12647
3. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.747 - I2649
4. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.682 - I2647
5. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.846 - I12645
6. Iron Age Buerckelmatt Nordhouse France
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.89 - NOR4
7. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.29 - I3807

8. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.64 - I12649
9. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.91 - I12514
10. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.37 - SLC1006
11. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.38 - I4054
12. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.4 - MOK20
13. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.78 - LXVI
14. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.86 - MOK26
15. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.96 - I4332
16. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.06 - I3983
17. Roman Soldier Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.35 - FN_2
18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.51 - I2515
19. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.7 - I12515
20. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.7 - I4331
21. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.83 - R36
22. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.97 - scy197b
23. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.17 - I7425
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.27 - I3981
25. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.3 - R55
26. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I7423
27. Western Scythian Outlier Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.46 - DA198
28. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.69 - R118
29. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.75 - MOK27
30. Iron Age Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.03 - COL153A
31. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.03 - NS3c
32. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.14 - MOK9
33. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.29 - OBS137
34. Scythian Southern Moldova
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.3 - scy192
35. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.31 - CL94
36. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.34 - I3576
37. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.4 - I3585
38. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.4 - I7498
39. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.47 - MOK10
40. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.5 - R33
41. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.58 - I12221
42. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.62 - R1287
43. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1120 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.64 - I2514
44. Iron Age Erstein France
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.67 - ERS86
45. Iron Age Erstein France
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.77 - ERS88
46. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.83 - OBS116
47. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.88 - R63
48. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.88 - I3582
49. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.06 - LM_406_T
50. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.08 - I4885
51. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.21 - R1015
52. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.34 - I3581
53. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.41 - R474
54. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.5 - I7041
55. High Status Burial Mound Haunstetten
2112 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.51 - POST_50
56. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.54 - MOK14
57. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.54 - MOK13
58. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.61 - MX256
59. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.85 - I10853
60. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.02 - R1283
61. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.09 - I2644
62. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.11 - I12644
63. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.24 - R61
64. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.27 - I3575
65. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.31 - I3313
66. Le Peyrou Agde France
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.31 - PEY163
67. Visigoth Iberian Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.35 - I12034 (My first result)
68. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.42 - FN_2
69. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany
2385 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.5 - UNTA58_68Sk1
70. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.62 - I7457
71. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - scy305
72. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.68 - CL47b
73. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.71 - CL47
74. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.72 - T-145-2
75. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.75 - R1285
76. Medieval Tyrolian
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.76 - SZ18
77. Scythian Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.78 - scy311
78. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.78 - I3239
79. Iron Age Catalan
680 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.81 - I12641
80. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.85 - SZ28
81. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.12 - I7043
82. Ligurian Pech-Maho France
350 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.23 - PECH5
83. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.27 - I10852
84. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.28 - I3982
85. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.31 - CL36

86. North Alpine Bronze Age
1815 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.33 - AITI_72
87. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.34 - R109
88. Frankish Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.35 - CL49
89. Rec de Ligno Bronze Age France
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.37 - PIR3037AB
90. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.45 - MJ12
91. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.53 - SNN001
92. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.55 - STR310
93. Medieval Hungary / Balkan
1244 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.57 - DA199
94. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.57 - Rise480
95. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.59 - Rise483
96. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.61 - R970
97. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.66 - SZ32
98. Sicily Buffa Early Bronze Age
2191 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.81 - I11443
99. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.95 - R973
100. Post Medieval Ellwangen Germany
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.99 - ELW098A_549O
101. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.05 - Gordinesti
102. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.1 - VK536
103. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.15 - R1221
104. Kornice Bronze Age Poland
2200 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.24 - I6582
105. North Alpine Bronze Age
1794 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.27 - AITI_43
106. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.27 - R1540
107. Swiss Germanic
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.35 - CL102
108. Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.36 - R108
109. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.38 - R1
110. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.45 - I10895
111. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.48 - I10866
112. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.5 - SZ45
113. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.6 - CL57
114. Visigoth Frankish Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.63 - I12032
115. North Alpine Bronze Age
1786 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.7 - AITI_65adult
116. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.71 - R473
117. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.94 - R969
118. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.97 - VK538
119. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.98 - MOK21
120. Dolmen de Saint-Eugene Bronze Age France
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.98 - EUG11
121. Bronze Age Niederergheim France
860 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.99 - NIED
122. Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.0 - PSS4170
123. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.03 - SZ27
124. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.08 - I10851
125. Samborzec Bronze Age Poland
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.09 - I4249
126. Jebsen Boden Alsace France
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.11 - Jeb8
127. Justinian Plague Victim
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.11 - LSD021
128. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.25 - SZ36
129. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.33 - I3499
130. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.39 - R111
131. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.4 - MOK25
132. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.44 - R120
133. Thracian Bulgaria
450 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.44 - I5769
134. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.46 - R835
135. High Status Male Haunstetten
2059 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.63 - POST_44
136. Tuscan Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.64 - R54
137. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.65 - MX254_2
138. Rhaeti Tribe Wartau Switzerland
88 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.67 - SX18
139. Franco Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1215 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.68 - R62
140. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.69 - I7289
141. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.7 - I8145
142. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.78 - BSS31
143. Medieval Tyrolian
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.86 - CL53
144. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany
1957 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.89 - OBKR_9A
145. Imperial Roman Era Sardinia
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.9 - AMC001
146. Germanic Lombard Szolad
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.94 - SZ3
147. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.96 - VIL006
148. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France
1650 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - RIX15
149. Guanche Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.04 - gun007
150. Thuringii Tribe
420 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.05 - AED_1108
151. Tartessian Archaic Andalusia
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.1 - I12561
152. Copper Age Prague Kobylisy
2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.1 - I4945
153. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.1 - R32
154. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.18 - I3590
155. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.18 - Marat
156. Alemanni Celtic Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.2 - NS10
157. Scythian Outlier Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - DA195
158. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - MOK18
159. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.27 - I12208
160. Ullastret Ligurian Head Girona
280 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.28 - I3324
161. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.31 - R105
162. Latin Roman Isola Sacra
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.34 - R37
163. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2030 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.35 - MX283
164. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.44 - SZ1
165. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.45 - scy300
166. Mallorca Early Bronze Age
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.55 - I4329
167. Trypillian Verteba Cave Ukraine
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - I1926
168. Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo
680 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - SzKper239
169. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.65 - I12163
170. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily
2073 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.65 - I8561
171. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.67 - I6591
172. Latin Tribe Inland BE
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.7 - R1021
173. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.7 - SZ43
174. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.72 - R1290
175. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.72 - MOK15
176. Greco-Era Emporion
375 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.72 - I8210
177. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.76 - QUIN58
178. Late Roman-Era Emporion
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.85 - I8343
179. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.9 - Pocrovca3
180. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.95 - I3597
181. Latin Aristocrat Castel di Decima
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - R1016
182. Ostrogoth Mix
495 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.98 - AEH_1
183. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.0 - I3588
184. Danish-Celtic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.01 - G712b
185. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.06 - I3594
186. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.07 - VK535
187. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.11 - MSR002
188. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.11 - Pocrovca1
189. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.13 - I4556
190. Iron Age Buerckelmatt Nordhouse France
750 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.18 - NOR2B6
191. Central Roman Casale del Dolce
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.22 - R125
192. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
1860 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.25 - MX252
193. Medieval Tyrolian
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.32 - SZ5
194. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - R35
195. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.38 - CL23
196. El Sotillo Basque Country
1555 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.38 - I1977
197. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.38 - I7040
198. Bronze Age East Kent England
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.43 - I2462
199. Imperial Rome Centocelle
282 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.46 - R47
200. Iron Age Phoenician Settler Sardinia
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.47 - I10366

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201. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.51 - CL63
202. Viking Age Oland Island Sweden
847 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.55 - VK442
203. Greco-Era Emporion
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.6 - I8341
204. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.63 - I7424
205. Early bronze Age Singen Germany
1696 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.68 - MX257
206. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.7 - I10892
207. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - Niedertiefenbach22
208. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.73 - I12162
209. Ancient Gotlander Outlier
2750 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.75 - Gok4
210. Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.77 - I8203
211. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.81 - I3577
212. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.84 - R107
213. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.85 - I8204
214. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.9 - I3403
215. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - R52
216. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2122 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.92 - I4886
217. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.93 - Niedertiefenbach25
218. Medieval Collalto Sabino Italy Plague Victim
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.93 - COLC2a
219. Latin Tribe Ardea
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - R851
220. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PC
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.99 - R435
221. Central Roman / Mixed
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.02 - SZ19
222. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.02 - I7499
223. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.06 - I6932
224. Viking Age Ribe Jutland
1089 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.08 - VK330
225. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.08 - R60
226. El Sotillo Basque Country
875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.11 - I2469
227. Viking Age Gotland Frojel Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.12 - VK431
228. North Alpine Bronze Age
1790 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.13 - AITI_78
229. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.14 - I8475
230. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.17 - SZ37
231. Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - R110
232. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.24 - I7497
233. Early Bronze Age Bad Zurzach Switzerland
1963 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.3 - SNPRA63
234. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.32 - SI-41
235. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.32 - SZ23
236. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.34 - VK534
237. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.34 - I7214
238. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.39 - I12209
239. Bronze Age Wehringen
1972 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.48 - WEHR_1474
240. Menorca Late Bronze Age
861 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - I3315
241. Late Copper Age Italy
2600 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.51 - 9314_Oss
242. Imperial Rome Via Paisiello
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.51 - R131
243. Sicily Salaparuta Bell Beaker
2200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - I4936
244. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - I5017
245. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.59 - I3243
246. Hellenic Roman Marcellino
400 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - R136
247. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3238
248. North Alpine Bronze Age
1797 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.66 - AITI_66
249. Carthago-Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R475
250. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
515 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.69 - I3980
251. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth
310 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.69 - MJ37
252. Iberian Settlement Catalonia Spain
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.7 - I3496
253. Central Roman San Ercolano
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - R117
254. Ilergetes Outlier Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.75 - I12410
255. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1563 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.76 - OTTM_151ind2
256. Newgrange Site Z Meath Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - NGZ1
257. Roman Imperial Palestrina
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.78 - R436
258. Aquitani Pech-Maho France
350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.79 - PECH8
259. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
1930 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - MX286
260. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.83 - I4896
261. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.86 - Niedertiefenbach27
262. North Alpine Bronze Age
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - AITI_70
263. Rixheim Bronze Age Alsace France
1690 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.89 - RIX4
264. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - R59
265. Latin Prenestini Tribe Inland PS
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - R437
266. Rec de Ligno Bronze Age France
2230 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.97 - PIR3116B
267. Roman Cancelleria Basilica
1090 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R1224
268. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - I6590
269. Medieval Sardinia
1300 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.05 - Geridu2568-1
270. Rugii Tribe Oder-Vistula
135 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - PCA36
271. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - R57
272. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - MOK33
273. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - I7676
274. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - Niedertiefenbach1
275. Sicily Beaker
2200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.23 - I4930
276. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12648
277. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.3 - VK265
278. Neolithic Scotland
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.33 - I7554
279. Central Roman
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.34 - CL121
280. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.34 - QUIN234
281. Le Pirou Valros Bronze Age France
1630 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.43 - Pir6
282. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.43 - I12031
283. Tuscan Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.43 - R56
284. Neolithic Rosheim France
4600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.45 - ROS78
285. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.46 - LM_306_T
286. Iron Age Catalan
620 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.46 - I12640
287. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.47 - PCA157_Mar6
288. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.47 - PEN001_real2
289. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.48 - AED513
290. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.49 - I3593
291. Roman Era Empuries
80 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.53 - I8339
292. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.54 - SZ31
293. Lithuanian Smallpox Child
1654 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.57 - Variola
294. Celtoiberian Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.58 - R116
295. High Status North Alpine Bronze Age
1789 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.58 - AITI_119
296. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.6 - I7213
297. Bell Beaker Scotland
2145 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.62 - I5471
298. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.64 - I7282
299. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.66 - VK365
300. Belgic Tribe Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.67 - COL153i
301. Mycenaean Peristeria Citadel
1350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.68 - I9033
302. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.68 - I5520
303. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
1860 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.73 - I3124
304. Portugal Bronze Age
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.82 - VO10207
305. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.83 - R113

306. North Alpine Bronze Age
1677 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.85 - AITI_98
307. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.85 - R1220
308. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.86 - I6491
309. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.87 - VK537
310. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.89 - I12878
311. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.9 - R1289
312. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - I3404
313. Hellenic Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - SZ40
314. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.93 - SI-53
315. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.93 - I7211
316. Early Bronze Age Wartau Switzerland
1815 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.95 - SX23
317. Viking Age Gammel Lejre Sealand Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.99 - VK94
318. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.06 - BIS385
319. Iron Age North Sardinia
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.07 - I16163
320. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1440 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.08 - I2472
321. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.09 - MonteGato104
322. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.1 - I3123
323. Medieval Norway Oslo
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.1 - OSL1C
324. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.14 - MSR003
325. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1440 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.18 - I1840
326. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.19 - VK362
327. Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.22 - BIM33
328. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.22 - I7672
329. Celtic Medieval Denmark Ribe
1305 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.24 - G397
330. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - Niedertiefenbach37
331. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.28 - MS10614
332. North Alpine Bronze Age
1752 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.33 - AITI_120
333. Imperial Rome Centocelle
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.34 - R51
334. Neolithic Rosheim France
4600 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - ROS102
335. Neolithic Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.41 - I0172
336. Roman-Era Emporion
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.43 - I8202
337. Vasconic Greco-Era Empuries
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.54 - I8209
338. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.6 - R64
339. Bronze Age Northern Spain
1560 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.62 - VAD001
340. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.65 - G896
341. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
1980 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.7 - MX280
342. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.73 - G104b
343. Vasconic Tribe Empuries
375 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.75 - I8214

344. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
1810 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.75 - MX279
345. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.76 - I6624
346. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.83 - Niedertiefenbach24
347. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.83 - I7275
348. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany
1966 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.84 - POST_28
349. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.88 - I4888
350. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.93 - SI-40
351. Ashkelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.96 - ASH068_ASH_IA1
352. Czech Velke Prilepy
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.98 - Rise577
353. Viking Age Gotland Frojel Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.99 - VK435
354. North Sea Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.0 - G417
355. Bronze Age Czech Velke Prilepy
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.11 - I5035
356. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.11 - I3878
357. Medieval Collalto Sabino Italy Plague Victim
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.12 - COLC2b
358. Attichy-Bitry Gallic Chariot Burial France
275 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.12 - ATT26
359. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.13 - Niedertiefenbach33
360. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.14 - GTE-A1
361. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.15 - Niedertiefenbach10
362. Guanche Canary Islands
960 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - gun005
363. Medieval Netherlands Plague II
1360 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - Ber45
364. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.21 - LM_913_T
365. Neolithic Bergheim France
4100 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.21 - BERG157-7
366. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.22 - LM_403_T
367. Bell Beaker Southern France
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.22 - I3875
368. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.23 - I3809
369. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.23 - G1065
370. Vascones Tribe Vasconia
280 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.24 - I3759
371. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.26 - ValeOuro10207
372. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.26 - SZ38
373. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.27 - R836
374. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.27 - NS3b
375. Bronze Age Sorsum Germany
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.3 - Sorsum
376. Early Bronze Age Castellucciana Sicily
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.34 - I7800
377. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.35 - I7675
378. Nazari Period Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.45 - I8147
379. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.49 - KT09
380. Guanche Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.49 - gun006
381. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.55 - Niedertiefenbach36
382. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.56 - I3320
383. Mesolithic Jerpoint West Kilkenny Ireland
3550 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.56 - JP14
384. Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.58 - BIM_33
385. Bronze Age Amesbury
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.59 - I2458
386. Ilercavones Catalan
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.61 - I3321
387. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.61 - CL110
388. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.61 - R106
389. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.62 - I4889
390. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid
690 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.62 - KVper3450_GE
391. Hungary Avar Master Mako-Mikocsa
599 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.64 - MMper227
392. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.67 - R121
393. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.67 - VK363
394. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.69 - I2416-BB
395. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.71 - I7276
396. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.73 - I8205
397. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
3250 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.74 - I3214
398. Saxon Hinxton
720 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.77 - HinxtonO1
399. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.8 - R1548

400. Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.81 - G24
401. Bronze Age Dagger Koenigsbrunn
2046 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.81 - OBKR_80
402. Early Bronze Age Castellucciana Sicily
2300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.82 - I7774
403. Early Medieval Alemannic Bavaria
420 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.82 - AED1135b
404. Lusitanian Coimbra
950 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.82 - I7688
405. North Alpine Bronze Age
1788 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.88 - AITI_40
406. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.92 - I4887

407. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.93 - I7290
408. Le Peyrou Agde France
175 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.95 - PEY53
409. Bell Beaker Scotland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.98 - I2568
410. Bronze Age Angamollan Sweden
1360 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.98 - Rise210
411. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.01 - V2P
412. Distillery Cave Oban Argyll and Bute Scotland
3669 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.01 - I2691
413. Celtic-Mix Visigoth Girona Spain
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.02 - I12164
414. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
987 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.03 - I3876
415. Western Scythian Mix Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.03 - DA197
416. Bronze Age Haunstetten Germany
1975 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.04 - POST_35
417. Hungarian Conqueror Karos II Outlier
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.05 - K2per18_GE
418. Portugal Middle Bronze Age
1580 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.1 - TV3831
419. Neolithic Wettolsheim France
3525 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.11 - WET370-2
420. Ullastret Iberian Head Girona
225 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.19 - I3327
421. Gepid / Goth
450 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.2 - Vim2
422. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer
1678 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.21 - KOV-A2
423. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
1785 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.21 - MX277
424. Viking Age Gotland Frojel Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.22 - VK57
425. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.24

Carlos
25-11-20, 22:26
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-m9R3CzBLHlY/X75vbIZB8CI/AAAAAAAAEx8/bf_swoCvbk0Vi0ET854AhCgo4nn1FaWigCLcBGAsYHQ/s727/RomanvillaGranada1.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p4QEJurc_K8/X764GfYb8eI/AAAAAAAAE2Y/9mVa0bk71fc_0EF0PF84ffTY3tYy6umBQCLcBGAsYHQ/s595/DeepDiveBreakdown6.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-52JPXuqBJqQ/X764KJuIwfI/AAAAAAAAE2c/rKFLbQFyrW0VxAjxELTTNRu5BZ3D7AB2wCLcBGAsYHQ/s541/DeepDiveBreakdown5.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tpAQ_v53_9A/X764MwB3lYI/AAAAAAAAE2g/fiOIilKHfD01_PLZ8JW3D01Qf113xHzWwCLcBGAsYHQ/s545/DeepDiveBreakdown4.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ODswJWoVvpQ/X764PguKNFI/AAAAAAAAE2k/zKwCroNgkLogIgWSn5UaxkGL_5DCUPhcQCLcBGAsYHQ/s543/DeepDiveBreakdown3.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hpTFy9ImmZE/X764SUmwHoI/AAAAAAAAE2o/Wdd-SUhLKWAVDGhigr9lTpdAfnOWl90IACLcBGAsYHQ/s556/DeepDiveBreakdown2.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qSCPtwfwQN0/X764VzMJ00I/AAAAAAAAE2w/iOm7i0ygAeAy1-IT1lDMbGfTtLmRKDvlQCLcBGAsYHQ/s559/DeepDiveBreakdown.jpg

Well now I'm going to eat, I think you can see it but anyway some suggestion?

Salento
25-11-20, 23:08
That’s great Carlos, Thanks again for all your hard work :good_job: :satisfied:

... you posted all the info I need :)

torzio
26-11-20, 19:01
Thank you very much Carlos :)

... I4055 is reported as y T1a2..., but it looks like MTA hasn’t added his Y Haplogroup yet.


only info I found on this sample from 2019 paper......scholars not sure if the sample was originally from the ancient iberian ( pre roman ) tribe called Vettones ( central spain next to Portugal ) or they came with the Vandal confederation of Suevi and or Alani tribes .............Vandals are part of a confederation of about 16 minor "germanic" tribes from modern northern poland and north eastern germany current lands

Duarte
26-11-20, 19:32
That’s great Carlos, Thanks again for all your hard work :good_job: :satisfied:

... you posted all the info I need :)

I forgot this one in my post #3136

Iberians among my 125 ancient samples

https://i.imgur.com/fCdYDaD.jpg

Carlos
26-11-20, 20:04
Let's look at their exponentially minority mitochondrial wives.





https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W8KUhre4LHc/X7_s2LMA2ZI/AAAAAAAAE3I/DDqcI3EvxrYl9QCVactx1qAnfo9YqUZbgCLcBGAsYHQ/s820/mitocondrialX.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z9shXvJnFbo/X7_s5Wny1_I/AAAAAAAAE3M/b5qXAtQJ05U61OiU0hWKbjYsHglejuUHACLcBGAsYHQ/s658/mitocondrialt.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BfH__jJ9x3A/X7_s8FeyEsI/AAAAAAAAE3Q/qvtRraH3SWkI5GnoMwFqdkCnyDCLgy7mQCLcBGAsYHQ/s649/mitocondrialL.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u7v5yKUFaR8/X7_s_OS0mkI/AAAAAAAAE3U/X_wlVjmABF0SDvYOhxFcpjt_FaTEtp55ACLcBGAsYHQ/s749/mitocondrialC.jpeg

Hispano-Roman-Visigothic?

The Roman part mainly Etruscan?

Although it has only 9% of Iberia and iron age. In Roman Hispania it is half and the dark ages drop to 31%.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5-FZdOSVvA8/X7_xP2h4v9I/AAAAAAAAE38/FLY901ec5MwPm9dVnriPPpA1CQQ6Uwe7ACLcBGAsYHQ/s546/doneteHispaniaiberian.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ra9PVrdnbWU/X7_xJmFXQ4I/AAAAAAAAE30/5sg9oyCLCGEwfw1i4Qns1nI5v1Il1yEagCLcBGAsYHQ/s565/DoneteRomanHispania.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d2aOztvDWj4/X7_xMxG0gaI/AAAAAAAAE34/6GDEn4_HzpoXimySZ-FnIcCme-fS7m6wwCLcBGAsYHQ/s546/DoneteRomanHispaniadarkages.jpeg

Carlos
26-11-20, 20:45
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-A3sTwg_lgX4/X7_01m8qPgI/AAAAAAAAE4Q/ML03NXTJW0A-gCpaRarhETh7TtKAn_m1wCLcBGAsYHQ/s471/IronAge1.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5-FZdOSVvA8/X7_xP2h4v9I/AAAAAAAAE38/FLY901ec5MwPm9dVnriPPpA1CQQ6Uwe7ACLcBGAsYHQ/s546/doneteHispaniaiberian.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pyp6arVtF_k/X7_04-kziQI/AAAAAAAAE4U/fgeMWr2GHhwMiPKQNCxmyBYp4oDAMTL4ACLcBGAsYHQ/s459/Ironage3.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yo7OH7YEtBY/X7_07wJQodI/AAAAAAAAE4Y/8fRwcu_SZbMxnCDbaWo6FGebi9mxIrvUwCLcBGAsYHQ/s466/IronAge4.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nuaq_5BHCsQ/X7_0-cyUivI/AAAAAAAAE4c/4MxdyPQZq-sj7AG5f2amrSqkuM3Dn-12wCLcBGAsYHQ/s458/IronAge5.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6gTWEbUHMxg/X7_1BzxEWwI/AAAAAAAAE4g/696NTg_4gekP_xMP_mgMR3wPQfZ-5fYyACLcBGAsYHQ/s474/IronAge6.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4pJCx-ckZJI/X7_1Eh9UaYI/AAAAAAAAE4k/ifjQeg7Zf88LNeR26EHh2KwqeMHd1-AnQCLcBGAsYHQ/s456/IronAge7.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CIBz8MYV9H0/X7_1IJBjK1I/AAAAAAAAE4o/Udf3WecjFMwBTu_RMsYrzkSSAbypGNv5gCLcBGAsYHQ/s466/IronAge8.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_5Xnwd0D7HM/X7_1NA38OYI/AAAAAAAAE4w/lvmlkLWSfOMBR4cbu0AmdNlVn8ikzhbFACLcBGAsYHQ/s451/ironAge10.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wbsba_J5PGA/X7_1QSoTvNI/AAAAAAAAE44/NLDtEVeI2hwxIkGg1hw2tJxg5dok3nd2ACLcBGAsYHQ/s454/IronAge12.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sc3cUtK74os/X7_1TTt2ZII/AAAAAAAAE5A/LieFfKDHJCU88J5R0SlzE_T2aFI_qkd7ACLcBGAsYHQ/s461/IronAge13.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J38IhGcGEVE/X7_1WJ0JAWI/AAAAAAAAE5E/QQCXDA0mfL4feLscTvVe4rW2y5JuIjB2ACLcBGAsYHQ/s470/IronAge14.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wWVn9-BObys/X7_1YmNkDMI/AAAAAAAAE5I/_RxFnJhIKnEGlf2Zbh2qc9-MQzQHWyNqQCLcBGAsYHQ/s462/IronAge15.jpeg

All your iron. Does it look Etruscan or am I wrong?

Carlos
27-11-20, 04:25
only info I found on this sample from 2019 paper......scholars not sure if the sample was originally from the ancient iberian ( pre roman ) tribe called Vettones ( central spain next to Portugal ) or they came with the Vandal confederation of Suevi and or Alani tribes .............Vandals are part of a confederation of about 16 minor "germanic" tribes from modern northern poland and north eastern germany current lands

Kit: Roman Villa Granada Spain (I4055) (Gray point)Versus

Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (I3493)Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (I3490)Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (ESP005)Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (I12208)Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (I12209)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-raw-ZWI3kX4/X8BgrmhfwQI/AAAAAAAAE5k/FP4sjTyIQvMlReFOvcyQY4ZPc-Y0MfbfQCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesESP005.JPEGhttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aQaX0bmrsvI/X8Bguc_blII/AAAAAAAAE5o/2WQiXQK7aD8bk6wr0T2nquCfQJrg9yIvgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI3490.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0WO3FjqzCNk/X8Bgw1IUH-I/AAAAAAAAE5s/WBW9Vn_1b-MvVtuMJBupbMhSlO8KF1yhACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI3493.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2azRChRVWjw/X8Bgz2fIw5I/AAAAAAAAE5w/XULfrK2qDPQHBD6-mdTbCNsOzOs61A1JACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI12208.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fcuQIEePrgM/X8Bg2SWleDI/AAAAAAAAE50/prc-wZEoO1s0JWceRW0r79e_QfXj780KwCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI12209.JPEG

Well, it doesn't look like I4055 belonged to the Vettons

torzio
27-11-20, 21:59
Kit: Roman Villa Granada Spain (I4055) (Gray point)

Versus

Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (I3493)

Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (I3490)

Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (ESP005)

Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (I12208)

Kit: Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (I12209)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-raw-ZWI3kX4/X8BgrmhfwQI/AAAAAAAAE5k/FP4sjTyIQvMlReFOvcyQY4ZPc-Y0MfbfQCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesESP005.JPEGhttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aQaX0bmrsvI/X8Bguc_blII/AAAAAAAAE5o/2WQiXQK7aD8bk6wr0T2nquCfQJrg9yIvgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI3490.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0WO3FjqzCNk/X8Bgw1IUH-I/AAAAAAAAE5s/WBW9Vn_1b-MvVtuMJBupbMhSlO8KF1yhACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI3493.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2azRChRVWjw/X8Bgz2fIw5I/AAAAAAAAE5w/XULfrK2qDPQHBD6-mdTbCNsOzOs61A1JACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI12208.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fcuQIEePrgM/X8Bg2SWleDI/AAAAAAAAE50/prc-wZEoO1s0JWceRW0r79e_QfXj780KwCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/I4044vsVettonesI12209.JPEG

Well, it doesn't look like I4055 belonged to the Vettons

Agree with your summary

snp L490, which I have, was never the main snp of the T tree for that area, it is L206...........Isogg and Ftdna took over 1 year to recognise my L490 and where at odds with me lacking L206 .............I am speaking years ago

Salento
27-11-20, 22:17
Italians among my 125 ancient samples

2. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.629 - CL94

3. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.714 - R474

5. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.945 - R33

14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.87 - R63

20. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.25 - R55

45. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.55 - R109

50. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.69 - R1287

52. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - R473

57. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.05 - R61
58. Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - R108
60. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - R1221

61. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.1 - R105

62. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.12 - R1015

84. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.36 - VK538

85. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - CL47b

87. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.42 - R1285

88. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.45 - R36

89. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.49 - CL57

93. Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.68 - R110

96. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.82 - CL23

107. Latin Tribe Inland BE
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.3 - R1021

108. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.37 - R1

114. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily
2073 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.58 - I8561

123. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.93 - VK536

124. Late Copper Age Italy
2600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.94 - 9314_Oss

out of 100
... samples labeled absolutely “Italy” :

https://i.imgur.com/fMqXgeA.jpg

and a lonely Tuscan (?):
https://i.imgur.com/iRaJRDX.jpg

... Tivoli too :)
https://i.imgur.com/NOJi74a.jpg

Salento
27-11-20, 23:34
... Cancelleria Basilica is in Rome :)

https://i.imgur.com/iRaJRDX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6ENWwp7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5hB8qnx.jpg

Duarte
28-11-20, 00:00
... Cancelleria Basilica is in Rome :)

https://i.imgur.com/iRaJRDX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6ENWwp7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5hB8qnx.jpg


I agree, Salento, you're right.:good_job:

https://i.imgur.com/sikFkVb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DFwhHEu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/9GGtOcA.jpg

Salento
28-11-20, 00:09
@Duarte

I inherited that from my Grandfather,
he too was always right, ... even when he was wrong ... :laughing:

Duarte
28-11-20, 00:19
@Duarte

I inherited that from my Grandfather,
he too was always right, ... even when he was wrong ... :laughing:

Lol.:laughing: Our grandparents were always right, even when they were wrong. I always had to ask for the blessing by holding the right hand of my grandparents lightly. If I forgot about it and my father or mother were around, they called my attention: Respect your grandmother (your grandfather) and ask the blessing. Old days.

Salento
28-11-20, 01:13
... I was going to say that Villa Magna is also near Rome, ...but I didn’t because I thought everyone knew :-)

Carlos
28-11-20, 16:58
Your Outlier Samples...
See how it goes

353. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

370. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)
Al-Andalus + Roman (9.008)
Roman + Illyrian (9.47)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (9.789)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (9.873)
Roman (10.3)
Roman Hispania (11.82)
Gallo-Roman (13.78)
Illyrian (14.3)
Al-Andalus (15.69)

378. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32
Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.339)
Philistine + Roman (4.534)
Roman + Thracian (5.249)
Philistine + Gallo-Roman (5.723)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (6.215)
Roman (8.347)
Thracian (11.84)
Gallo-Roman (12.58)
Ancient Greek (12.62)
Philistine (12.92)

380. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154
Belgae + Phoenician (20.54)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (20.71)
Iberian + Illyrian (20.73)
Belgae + Iberian (22.34)
Illyrian + Phoenician (22.47)
Illyrian (24.14)
Gallo-Roman (25.22)
Belgae (25.39)
Phoenician (25.98)
Iberian (26.02)

389. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

Roman (Genetic match)

393. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
Celt + Gaul (10.61)
Celt + Frank (10.61)
Celt + Belgae (10.65)
Viking Danish + Gaul (10.87)
Viking Danish + Frank (10.87)
Celt (11.83)
Belgae (13.35)
Frank (13.45)
Viking Danish (13.64)
Gaul (14.64)

394. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
Celt + Sarmatian (5.804)
Belgae + Sarmatian (7.17)
Sarmatian + Frank (8.006)
Belgae + Scythian (11.23)
Celt + Scythian (12.97)
Belgae (15.53)
Sarmatian (15.97)
Scythian (15.99)
Frank (16.0)
Celt (16.17)

395. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
Gaul + Roman (8.486)
Roman (9.519)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (9.662)
Roman + Illyrian (10.24)
Roman + Thracian (11.1)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (11.25)
Gallo-Roman (12.26)
Gaul (13.95)
Illyrian (14.19)
Thracian (17.55)

406. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896
Visigoth + Celt (2.797)
Celt + Frank (3.561)
Gaul + Saxon (3.702)
Celt + Gaul (3.784)
Saxon + Frank (4.86)
Frank (6.733)
Visigoth (7.895)
Celt (8.987)
Gaul (9.445)
Saxon (9.703)

421. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

425. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
Viking Danish + Belgae (3.866)
Viking Danish + Celt (4.925)
Viking Danish (5.37)
Celt + Belgae (5.393)
Belgae + Saxon (5.491)
Viking Danish + Frank (6.51)
Celt (7.28)
Frank (9.399)
Belgae (9.802)
Saxon (10.79)

426. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865
Iberian + Phoenician (6.765)
Iberian + Roman Hispania (10.48)
Aquitani + Phoenician (11.73)
Iberian + Etruscan (12.31)
Phoenician (13.18)
Iberian + Aquitani (13.54)
Iberian (13.82)
Aquitani (17.42)
Etruscan (18.29)

431. Unetice Bohemia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.16 - Rise154
Celt + Belgae (6.365)
Belgae + Saxon (8.371)
Belgae (8.581)
Belgae + Frank (8.603)
Celt (9.315)
Celt + Frank (9.38)
Belgae + Ostrogoth (9.773)
Saxon (12.19)
Frank (12.22)
Ostrogoth (15.2)

435. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.06)
Phoenician (10.46)
Al-Andalus + Phoenician (12.53)
Phoenician + Carthaginian (12.61)
Etruscan + Phoenician (12.89)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (13.08)
Roman Hispania (13.75)
Carthaginian (17.16)
Etruscan (17.96)
Al-Andalus (19.42)

444. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204
Phoenician + Carthaginian (5.336)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (5.488)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (5.609)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (6.143)
Phoenician (7.458)
Philistine + Phoenician (7.96)
Carthaginian (9.338)
Roman Hispania (11.76)
Etruscan (14.63)
Philistine (18.02)

445. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1
Gallo-Roman + Gepid (8.164)
Gepid + Illyrian (10.3)
Thuringii + Gallo-Roman (11.14)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (11.44)
Gaul + Gepid (11.69)
Gallo-Roman (12.96)
Gaul (13.62)
Illyrian (14.71)
Thuringii (15.77)
Gepid (16.6)

447. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299
Iberian + Aquitani (13.83)
Iberian + Etruscan (15.11)
Iberian (15.27)
Iberian + Vascones (15.73)
Iberian + Rhaeti (15.79)
Aquitani (16.64)
Vascones + Aquitani (18.13)

448. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003
Phoenician (Genetic match)

450. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595
Aquitani + Boii (16.46)
Boii + Etruscan (17.02)
Boii (18.08)
Rhaeti + Boii (18.37)
Gallo-Roman + Boii (18.5)
Aquitani + Gallo-Roman (19.16)

451. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142
Celt + Belgae (11.6)
Belgae (12.18)
Belgae + Saxon (13.86)
Belgae + Frank (14.3)
Visigoth + Belgae (15.02)
Celt (15.11)
Visigoth + Celt (16.02)
Frank (19.77)

453. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932
Ligurian + Carthaginian (16.05)
Latin + Carthaginian (16.95)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (16.99)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (19.67)

454. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36
Roman (Genetic match)

457. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120
Illyrian + Carthaginian (8.755)
Roman Hispania + Roman (8.961)
Roman + Phoenician (9.231)
Roman Hispania (9.271)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.05)
Roman + Carthaginian (10.06)
Roman (14.31)
Illyrian (15.59)
Phoenician (16.84)
Carthaginian (17.03)

460. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391
Celt + Celtiberian (11.4)
Belgae + Celtiberian (12.62)
Celt (13.13)
Celtiberian (13.23)
Celt + Vascones (13.64)
Vascones + Celtiberian (13.7)
Celt + Belgae (14.53)
Vascones (15.44)
Belgae (19.1)

461. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276
Saxon + Frank (4.341)
Visigoth + Saxon (4.808)
Frank (5.033)
Visigoth + Frank (5.4)
Celt + Frank (5.713)
Saxon (5.812)
Longobard + Frank (5.819)
Visigoth (6.222)
Longobard (9.851)
Celt (10.07)

466. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970
Roman + Illyrian (5.741)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.706)
Roman (7.753)
Roman + Thracian (7.78)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.923)
Thracian + Illyrian (7.925)
Roman Hispania (11.63)
Illyrian (12.23)
Thracian (13.13)
Gallo-Roman (13.26)

468. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.097)
Roman + Illyrian (7.151)
Roman Hispania + Roman (7.216)
Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (8.337)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (8.969)
Roman (9.217)
Roman Hispania (11.03)
Illyrian (13.55)
Hellenic Roman (14.5)
Gallo-Roman (15.34)

469. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836
Philistine + Roman (9.784)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (10.36)
Roman + Thracian (10.59)
Philistine + Gallo-Roman (10.68)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (10.69)
Roman (11.5)
Philistine (15.22)
Gallo-Roman (16.01)
Ancient Greek (16.55)
Thracian (17.41)


472. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2
Celt (Genetic match)

475. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - I5470
Iberian + Aquitani (11.48)
Iberian + Vascones (11.69)
Celt + Iberian (12.9)
Iberian + Celtiberian (13.57)
Aquitani + Celtiberian (16.41)

478. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113
Roman + Phoenician (7.366)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (9.506)
Roman + Carthaginian (10.4)
Roman Hispania + Roman (11.05)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (11.11)
Phoenician (12.98)
Roman Hispania (13.39)
Carthaginian (14.87)
Roman (16.3)
Gallo-Roman (18.16)

479. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (16.03)
Roman Hispania (16.34)
Roman Hispania + Roman (16.41)
Illyrian + Phoenician (18.02)
Roman + Phoenician (18.05)
Roman + Illyrian (18.34)
Illyrian (18.39)

480. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2
Celt (Genetic match)

481. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973
Celt (6.145)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.439)
Celt + Belgae (6.578)
Celt + Frank (6.96)
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (6.969)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.182)
Viking Danish (7.715)
Frank (9.727)
Belgae (11.4)
Viking Icelandic (11.81)

485. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118
Thracian + Illyrian (6.652)
Roman + Illyrian (6.785)
Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (7.217)
Roman Hispania + Roman (7.801)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (8.455)
Roman (9.49)
Roman Hispania (11.25)
Illyrian (11.89)
Thracian (11.97)
Hellenic Roman (14.72)

486. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.168)
Ancient Greek + Illyrian (7.299)
Roman + Illyrian (7.878)
Roman Hispania + Roman (8.131)
Roman (8.204)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (8.365)
Gallo-Roman (13.61)
Roman Hispania (13.89)
Illyrian (15.4)
Ancient Greek (16.0)

487. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47
Celt + Scythian (6.93)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.044)
Belgae + Scythian (8.306)
Scythian + Frank (8.719)
Celt + Frank (10.5)
Scythian (11.67)
Celt (11.98)
Visigoth (12.79)
Frank (13.01)
Belgae (14.01)

488. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty
Etruscan + Balari (3.858)
Phoenician + Balari (5.294)
Carthaginian + Balari (6.327)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.81)
Latin + Balari (9.871)
Phoenician (12.18)
Etruscan (14.52)
Balari (15.89)
Carthaginian (16.6)
Latin (19.05)

490. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001
Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)
Alemanni + Frank (10.91)
Alemanni + Ostrogoth (11.11)
Vandal + Ligurian (11.77)
Vandal + Frank (12.59)
Alemanni (13.1)
Ostrogoth (13.85)
Frank (14.44)
Vandal (15.35)
Ligurian (15.95)

491. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639
Celtiberian + Saxon (8.053)
Celt + Celtiberian (8.235)
Vascones + Saxon (10.76)
Celt + Belgae (11.09)
Celt + Vascones (11.09)
Celt (14.84)
Belgae (16.34)
Saxon (18.85)
Vascones (19.11)
Celtiberian (19.15)

492. Strachow Bronze Age Poland
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - I6538
Celt + Alemanni (10.36)
Celt + Saxon (11.66)
Celt + Frank (11.91)
Celt (12.54)
Alemanni + Frank (12.78)
Saxon + Frank (12.89)
Saxon (15.67)
Alemanni (16.58)
Vandal (16.68)
Frank (17.47)

493. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14
Viking Danish + Longobard (4.033)
Longobard + Frank (4.344)
Celt + Longobard (4.969)
Viking Danish + Frank (5.182)
Celt + Frank (5.522)
Celt (7.275)
Viking Danish (7.809)
Saxon (8.605)
Frank (8.813)
Longobard (8.988)

495. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.16 - I5441
Celt + Belgae (7.169)
Celt + Saxon (8.189)
Belgae + Saxon (8.535)
Celt + Frank (9.947)
Belgae + Vandal (10.5)
Celt (10.65)
Saxon (14.43)
Belgae (14.64)
Vandal (15.36)
Frank (15.45)

496. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.17 - CAK531
Latin + Balari (3.834)
Ligurian + Balari (4.39)
Iberian + Balari (5.139)
Etruscan + Balari (8.429)
Latin (10.34)
Latin + Etruscan (12.7)
Etruscan (16.13)
Iberian (17.7)
Ligurian (18.47)
Balari (18.48)

497. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031
Scythian + Gaul (6.59)
Scythian + Frank (7.649)
Scythian + Thuringii (7.837)
Gaul (8.718)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.924)
Gaul + Thuringii (8.966)
Thuringii (11.34)
Scythian (11.65)
Frank (11.78)
Visigoth (13.6)

498. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - ros3
Etruscan + Balari (2.287)
Iberian + Balari (2.441)
Latin + Balari (6.432)
Phoenician + Balari (7.846)
Iberian + Phoenician (11.54)
Balari (14.52)
Etruscan (14.84)
Phoenician (16.54)
Latin (17.17)
Iberian (17.52)

499. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163
Visigoth (Genetic match)

500. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32
Celt + Belgae (4.283)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.596)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (8.075)
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (8.122)
Viking Danish + Celt (8.522)
Celt (9.544)
Viking Danish (11.42)
Belgae (11.87)
Viking Icelandic (13.35)
Saxon (13.72)

536. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001
Phoenician + Balari (13.79)
Etruscan + Iolaes (13.91)
Etruscan + Balari (14.08)
Phoenician + Iolaes (14.16)
Carthaginian + Balari (14.68)
Balari (17.71)

Salento
28-11-20, 21:21
out of 100
... samples labeled absolutely “Italy” :

https://i.imgur.com/fMqXgeA.jpg


and a lonely Tuscan (?):
https://i.imgur.com/iRaJRDX.jpg

... Tivoli too :)
https://i.imgur.com/NOJi74a.jpg


... labeled only Imperial Rome / Empire
(not included: Central, Hellenic, and others):
https://i.imgur.com/uWOZivG.jpg

... there’s a slight difference between my old 23v5 raw-data and the new 2020 ...

Salento
29-11-20, 04:50
... Latins R850 and R437 are about 300 years apart, ... they share double positions in my Chroms 8 and 20

... the closest thing to Immortality ...

from Tarantati, they’re slowly turning into Yankees :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/NCV7NSV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/IoMFCTc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QESfCM8.jpg

Salento
29-11-20, 07:20
... R850 and I also share a piece of the Y chromosome, though the y and x chr. are not included in “Chroma Analysis”.

T1a1... vs T1a2... (me)

Carlos
30-11-20, 18:06
Mis otuliers masculinos BC
I have included the uncertain ones as masculine

488. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty
Etruscan + Balari (3.858)
Phoenician + Balari (5.294)
Carthaginian + Balari (6.327)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.81)
Latin + Balari (9.871)
Phoenician (12.18)
Etruscan (14.52)
Balari (15.89)
Carthaginian (16.6)
Latin (19.05)

496. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.17 - CAK531
Latin + Balari (3.834)
Ligurian + Balari (4.39)
Iberian + Balari (5.139)
Etruscan + Balari (8.429)
Latin (10.34)
Latin + Etruscan (12.7)
Etruscan (16.13)
Iberian (17.7)
Ligurian (18.47)
Balari (18.48)

447. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299
Iberian + Aquitani (13.83)
Iberian + Etruscan (15.11)
Iberian (15.27)
Iberian + Vascones (15.73)
Iberian + Rhaeti (15.79)
Aquitani (16.64)
Vascones + Aquitani (18.13)

461. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276
Saxon + Frank (4.341)
Visigoth + Saxon (4.808)
Frank (5.033)
Visigoth + Frank (5.4)
Celt + Frank (5.713)
Saxon (5.812)
Longobard + Frank (5.819)
Visigoth (6.222)
Longobard (9.851)
Celt (10.07)

453. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932
Ligurian + Carthaginian (16.05)
Latin + Carthaginian (16.95)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (16.99)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (19.67)

495. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.16 - I5441
Celt + Belgae (7.169)
Celt + Saxon (8.189)
Belgae + Saxon (8.535)
Celt + Frank (9.947)
Belgae + Vandal (10.5)
Celt (10.65)
Saxon (14.43)
Belgae (14.64)
Vandal (15.36)
Frank (15.45)

475. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - I5470

Iberian + Aquitani (11.48)
Iberian + Vascones (11.69)
Celt + Iberian (12.9)
Iberian + Celtiberian (13.57)
Aquitani + Celtiberian (16.41)

380. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154
Belgae + Phoenician (20.54)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (20.71)
Iberian + Illyrian (20.73)
Belgae + Iberian (22.34)
Illyrian + Phoenician (22.47)
Illyrian (24.14)
Gallo-Roman (25.22)
Belgae (25.39)
Phoenician (25.98)
Iberian (26.02)

445. Bronze Age Szolad Hungary
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1
Gallo-Roman + Gepid (8.164)
Gepid + Illyrian (10.3)
Thuringii + Gallo-Roman (11.14)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (11.44)
Gaul + Gepid (11.69)
Gallo-Roman (12.96)
Gaul (13.62)
Illyrian (14.71)
Thuringii (15.77)
Gepid (16.6)

448. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003
Phoenician (Genetic match)

472. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2
Celt (Genetic match)

479. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (16.03)
Roman Hispania (16.34)
Roman Hispania + Roman (16.41)
Illyrian + Phoenician (18.02)
Roman + Phoenician (18.05)
Roman + Illyrian (18.34)
Illyrian (18.39)

Carlos
30-11-20, 18:25
My female outliers BC

498. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - ros3
Etruscan + Balari (2.287)
Iberian + Balari (2.441)
Latin + Balari (6.432)
Phoenician + Balari (7.846)
Iberian + Phoenician (11.54)
Balari (14.52)
Etruscan (14.84)
Phoenician (16.54)
Latin (17.17)
Iberian (17.52)

450. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595
Aquitani + Boii (16.46)
Boii + Etruscan (17.02)
Boii (18.08)
Rhaeti + Boii (18.37)
Gallo-Roman + Boii (18.5)
Aquitani + Gallo-Roman (19.16)

406. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896
Visigoth + Celt (2.797)
Celt + Frank (3.561)
Gaul + Saxon (3.702)
Celt + Gaul (3.784)
Saxon + Frank (4.86)
Frank (6.733)
Visigoth (7.895)
Celt (8.987)
Gaul (9.445)
Saxon (9.703)

460. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391
Celt + Celtiberian (11.4)
Belgae + Celtiberian (12.62)
Celt (13.13)
Celtiberian (13.23)
Celt + Vascones (13.64)
Vascones + Celtiberian (13.7)
Celt + Belgae (14.53)
Vascones (15.44)
Belgae (19.1)

491. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639
Celtiberian + Saxon (8.053)
Celt + Celtiberian (8.235)
Vascones + Saxon (10.76)
Celt + Belgae (11.09)
Celt + Vascones (11.09)
Celt (14.84)
Belgae (16.34)
Saxon (18.85)
Vascones (19.11)
Celtiberian (19.15)

492. Strachow Bronze Age Poland
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - I6538
Celt + Alemanni (10.36)
Celt + Saxon (11.66)
Celt + Frank (11.91)
Celt (12.54)
Alemanni + Frank (12.78)
Saxon + Frank (12.89)
Saxon (15.67)
Alemanni (16.58)
Vandal (16.68)
Frank (17.47)

431. Unetice Bohemia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.16 - Rise154
Celt + Belgae (6.365)
Belgae + Saxon (8.371)
Belgae (8.581)
Belgae + Frank (8.603)
Celt (9.315)
Celt + Frank (9.38)
Belgae + Ostrogoth (9.773)
Saxon (12.19)
Frank (12.22)
Ostrogoth (15.2)

451. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142
Celt + Belgae (11.6)
Belgae (12.18)
Belgae + Saxon (13.86)
Belgae + Frank (14.3)
Visigoth + Belgae (15.02)
Celt (15.11)
Visigoth + Celt (16.02)
Frank (19.77)

487. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47
Celt + Scythian (6.93)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.044)
Belgae + Scythian (8.306)
Scythian + Frank (8.719)
Celt + Frank (10.5)
Scythian (11.67)
Celt (11.98)
Visigoth (12.79)
Frank (13.01)
Belgae (14.01)

444. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204
Phoenician + Carthaginian (5.336)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (5.488)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (5.609)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (6.143)
Phoenician (7.458)
Philistine + Phoenician (7.96)
Carthaginian (9.338)
Roman Hispania (11.76)
Etruscan (14.63)
Philistine (18.02)

426. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865
Iberian + Phoenician (6.765)
Iberian + Roman Hispania (10.48)
Aquitani + Phoenician (11.73)
Iberian + Etruscan (12.31)
Phoenician (13.18)
Iberian + Aquitani (13.54)
Iberian (13.82)
Aquitani (17.42)
Etruscan (18.29)

Carlos
30-11-20, 21:59
My male outliers AD

478. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113
Roman + Phoenician (7.366)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (9.506)
Roman + Carthaginian (10.4)
Roman Hispania + Roman (11.05)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (11.11)
Phoenician (12.98)
Roman Hispania (13.39)
Carthaginian (14.87)
Roman (16.3)
Gallo-Roman (18.16)

468. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.097)
Roman + Illyrian (7.151)
Roman Hispania + Roman (7.216)
Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (8.337)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (8.969)
Roman (9.217)
Roman Hispania (11.03)
Illyrian (13.55)
Hellenic Roman (14.5)
Gallo-Roman (15.34)

421. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

353. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576
Roman Hispania (Genetic match)

389. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43
Roman (Genetic match)

378. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32
Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.339)
Philistine + Roman (4.534)
Roman + Thracian (5.249)
Philistine + Gallo-Roman (5.723)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (6.215)
Roman (8.347)
Thracian (11.84)
Gallo-Roman (12.58)
Ancient Greek (12.62)
Philistine (12.92)

457. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120
Illyrian + Carthaginian (8.755)
Roman Hispania + Roman (8.961)
Roman + Phoenician (9.231)
Roman Hispania (9.271)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.05)
Roman + Carthaginian (10.06)
Roman (14.31)
Illyrian (15.59)
Phoenician (16.84)
Carthaginian (17.03)

485. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118
Thracian + Illyrian (6.652)
Roman + Illyrian (6.785)
Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (7.217)
Roman Hispania + Roman (7.801)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (8.455)
Roman (9.49)
Roman Hispania (11.25)
Illyrian (11.89)
Thracian (11.97)
Hellenic Roman (14.72)

393. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
Celt + Gaul (10.61)
Celt + Frank (10.61)
Celt + Belgae (10.65)
Viking Danish + Gaul (10.87)
Viking Danish + Frank (10.87)
Celt (11.83)
Belgae (13.35)
Frank (13.45)
Viking Danish (13.64)
Gaul (14.64)

497. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031
Scythian + Gaul (6.59)
Scythian + Frank (7.649)
Scythian + Thuringii (7.837)
Gaul (8.718)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.924)
Gaul + Thuringii (8.966)
Thuringii (11.34)
Scythian (11.65)
Frank (11.78)
Visigoth (13.6)

486. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.168)
Ancient Greek + Illyrian (7.299)
Roman + Illyrian (7.878)
Roman Hispania + Roman (8.131)
Roman (8.204)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (8.365)
Gallo-Roman (13.61)
Roman Hispania (13.89)
Illyrian (15.4)
Ancient Greek (16.0)

493. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14
Viking Danish + Longobard (4.033)
Longobard + Frank (4.344)
Celt + Longobard (4.969)
Viking Danish + Frank (5.182)
Celt + Frank (5.522)
Celt (7.275)
Viking Danish (7.809)
Saxon (8.605)
Frank (8.813)
Longobard (8.988)

395. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
Gaul + Roman (8.486)
Roman (9.519)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (9.662)
Roman + Illyrian (10.24)
Roman + Thracian (11.1)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (11.25)
Gallo-Roman (12.26)
Gaul (13.95)
Illyrian (14.19)
Thracian (17.55)

480. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2
Celt (Genetic match)

435. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.06)
Phoenician (10.46)
Al-Andalus + Phoenician (12.53)
Phoenician + Carthaginian (12.61)
Etruscan + Phoenician (12.89)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (13.08)
Roman Hispania (13.75)
Carthaginian (17.16)
Etruscan (17.96)
Al-Andalus (19.42)

500. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32
Celt + Belgae (4.283)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.596)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (8.075)
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (8.122)
Viking Danish + Celt (8.522)
Celt (9.544)
Viking Danish (11.42)
Belgae (11.87)
Viking Icelandic (13.35)
Saxon (13.72)

425. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
Viking Danish + Belgae (3.866)
Viking Danish + Celt (4.925)
Viking Danish (5.37)
Celt + Belgae (5.393)
Belgae + Saxon (5.491)
Viking Danish + Frank (6.51)
Celt (7.28)
Frank (9.399)
Belgae (9.802)
Saxon (10.79)

536. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001
Phoenician + Balari (13.79)
Etruscan + Iolaes (13.91)
Etruscan + Balari (14.08)
Phoenician + Iolaes (14.16)
Carthaginian + Balari (14.68)
Balari (17.71)


490. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001
Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)
Alemanni + Frank (10.91)
Alemanni + Ostrogoth (11.11)
Vandal + Ligurian (11.77)
Vandal + Frank (12.59)
Alemanni (13.1)
Ostrogoth (13.85)
Frank (14.44)
Vandal (15.35)
Ligurian (15.95)

466. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970
Roman + Illyrian (5.741)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.706)
Roman (7.753)
Roman + Thracian (7.78)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.923)
Thracian + Illyrian (7.925)
Roman Hispania (11.63)
Illyrian (12.23)
Thracian (13.13)
Gallo-Roman (13.26)


My woman outliers AD

469. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836
Philistine + Roman (9.784)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (10.36)
Roman + Thracian (10.59)
Philistine + Gallo-Roman (10.68)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (10.69)
Roman (11.5)
Philistine (15.22)
Gallo-Roman (16.01)
Ancient Greek (16.55)
Thracian (17.41)

394. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
Celt + Sarmatian (5.804)
Belgae + Sarmatian (7.17)
Sarmatian + Frank (8.006)
Belgae + Scythian (11.23)
Celt + Scythian (12.97)
Belgae (15.53)
Sarmatian (15.97)
Scythian (15.99)
Frank (16.0)
Celt (16.17)

499. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163
Visigoth (Genetic match)

481. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973
Celt (6.145)
Viking Danish + Celt (6.439)
Celt + Belgae (6.578)
Celt + Frank (6.96)
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (6.969)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.182)
Viking Danish (7.715)
Frank (9.727)
Belgae (11.4)
Viking Icelandic (11.81)

370. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.778)
Al-Andalus + Roman (9.008)
Roman + Illyrian (9.47)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (9.789)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (9.873)
Roman (10.3)
Roman Hispania (11.82)
Gallo-Roman (13.78)
Illyrian (14.3)
Al-Andalus (15.69)

Carlos
02-12-20, 02:51
My kit (Gray point) compared to the Girona Sant Juliá de Ramis kits (White point)

Kit: Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10851)Visigoth + Rhaeti (4.057)
Rhaeti + Etruscan (4.377)
Gallo-Roman + Rhaeti (4.477)
Rhaeti (5.019)
Visigoth + Etruscan (5.231)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (5.24)
Etruscan (5.603)
Gallo-Roman (6.206)
Visigoth (6.235)
Iberian (8.179)
Kit: Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10852)Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (4.475)
Gallo-Roman (4.774)
Visigoth + Ligurian (5.353)
Gallo-Roman + Etruscan (5.486)
Ligurian + Gallo-Roman (5.506)
Iberian + Ligurian (5.63)
Visigoth (6.01)
Etruscan (7.744)
Ligurian (8.599)
Iberian (9.262)
Kit: Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10853)Al-Andalus + Etruscan (5.522)
Iberian + Al-Andalus (5.929)
Visigoth + Etruscan (6.514)
Rhaeti + Etruscan (6.795)
Iberian + Etruscan (7.112)
Etruscan (7.581)
Rhaeti (9.529)
Visigoth (9.978)
Iberian (10.35)
Al-Andalus (10.37)
Kit: Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10892)Vascones + Etruscan (10.61)
Visigoth + Iberian (10.97)
Aquitani + Etruscan (11.31)
Visigoth + Aquitani (11.31)
Iberian + Aquitani (11.45)
Aquitani (11.57)
Iberian (12.34)
Visigoth (12.97)
Vascones (13.34)
Etruscan (13.8)
Kit: Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10895)Visigoth + Vascones (4.831)
Visigoth + Aquitani (5.069)
Vascones + Gallo-Roman (5.148)
Visigoth (5.682)
Visigoth + Iberian (5.797)
Aquitani + Gallo-Roman (5.961)
Iberian (7.783)
Gallo-Roman (7.858)
Vascones (8.07)
Aquitani (8.091)
Kit: Girona Sant Julia de Ramis (I10897)Celt + Iberian (3.729)
Iberian + Vascones (5.384)
Iberian + Aquitani (8.036)
Vascones + Celtiberian (8.199)
Iberian + Celtiberian (8.253)
Vascones (9.127)
Celtiberian (11.04)
Iberian (11.27)
Aquitani (11.38)
Celt (12.25)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V_Cq5wi_HmQ/X8bhaFzlbOI/AAAAAAAAFCA/zDSQkTNMRhcgg68O4cCU2QBB4MOyP2E8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia1.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-13G0sIBYwlw/X8bhgyw3vhI/AAAAAAAAFCE/EMMEsoHUsJUcAxfTSt4dBVD8jSDBym3ggCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia2.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PYLnhtBYC-Q/X8bhnoCRRdI/AAAAAAAAFCI/t-lltU_F0_sXNUvj43UwPI6o_KdNxN9owCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia3.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EKx8mV8ubyI/X8bhu8PIXiI/AAAAAAAAFCQ/bZ_hUyBvS0sgVgmOsqVd1-ENAdlO3_97ACLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia4.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UJ_IVqqVyqo/X8bh0gjILLI/AAAAAAAAFCY/1l03n0yPY0g0l14_j2Y_F9rXMsnC7qNMgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia5.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_l33AvUAg0I/X8bh6UqfU_I/AAAAAAAAFCg/2iX3iMe2o4EQoGWiYp16TwYJmrTsUVi5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia6.jpeg

Salento
02-12-20, 17:36
... comparing to the Skeleton Lake Travelers closest to my Haplogroups:

https://i.imgur.com/xOiqx37.jpg

... and R1283 (Medieval Cancelleria Basilica):
https://i.imgur.com/AOJJ5OO.jpg

:thinking: ... my Ancient Greeks and the Thracian got demoted, ...

Salento
02-12-20, 18:13
... found an almost Salentino with my mtDNA from modern Apulia :cool-v:

https://i.imgur.com/msF8lia.jpg

Carlos
03-12-20, 00:25
repetead......

Salento
03-12-20, 00:58
... let’s see how these five “VK Medieval Apulians” stack up against a contemporary Apulian,

Foggia Vikings vs Salento :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/QTybrbH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZUg1LoQ.jpg

Salento
03-12-20, 05:49
in the comparisons above I lost Ancient Greeks and Thracian, ... though they’re both on the Ancient Ancestry Map,

... maybe they're slightly closer to those ancestries than me.

https://i.imgur.com/nDwn9D5.jpg

Salento
03-12-20, 07:04
... edit ... :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/Yoi3nao.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Sf750r6.gif

Carlos
04-12-20, 01:19
You remember that girl from Chiclana who was buried with a seashell and two plaster pearls. Isn't that sweet?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kijA4A2-Dec/X0W1Z6jolZI/AAAAAAAAEao/7dBwJShd50goG66hJYDt154Eup7vGWDhACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/AncientBreackdown.jpeg

The same that is, La loma del puerco, because it turns out that I have made several comparisons with your kit and these others

That some of his relatives intervened in the Neolithic period in North Africa

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7lng78yOYNY/X0W8XWZ5SlI/AAAAAAAAEeQ/vRolGfBUMY8ZFvg0Wo9sqpB8aEvyse2lQCLcBGAsYHQ/s524/ClosestAncientIBERIANPopulations.jpeg

That's the same thing, the one on the pig's back, in bronze, because I compared my kit with hers, she's in gray.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E3LXQFIK_HM/X8luSabT0NI/AAAAAAAAFGk/aB6KgAArPi4b5hNGwWufx5EKg65yyOf5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/kitLomaversusKitm%25C3%25ADo.jpeg

Loma del Puerco vs San Julià de Ramis I19853

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wbl6VRWbl0Y/X8lwApxCpRI/AAAAAAAAFGw/KdoZtk0vX5Ig8fkyMW1IhZ9RmwtkxsBsgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/KitLomaSantJuliaI8053.JPEG.JPEG

Loma del Puerco vs Sant Julià de Ramis I10897

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O7InNwmUXrM/X8lxQuIzOgI/AAAAAAAAFHE/qHN852Z66rI_B90qDZDOtxq0me_UQKCsACLcBGAsYHQ/s643/KitLomaSantJuliaI10897.JPEG.JPEG

La Loma del Puerco vs Cógotas (Vettones) ESP005

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aFaX35u0YGA/X8lxsCw0gcI/AAAAAAAAFHM/JpC62-3nVxI9qr5jC5WGWtDWzoyXDnuzQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/KitLomaCogotasESP005.JPEG

I am there lobbying and I think it has helped me to understand my modern results in FTDNA but I keep it to myself because right now it would be very difficult for me to expose it in an understandable way.

Salento
05-12-20, 06:08
Closest group: Roman
(3334 shared SNPs):

2 Mausoleo Augusto, 2 Praenestina (Latin and Imperial), 2 Foggia, 3 Imperial Centocelle, 4 Collegno, 4 Szolad, 4 Villa Magna, 2 Casale del Dolce, 2 Tivoli Palace, 3 Marcellino, 3 Skeleton Lake Traveler, R850 Latin Ardea, Crypta Balbi, Celio Military H, Via Paisiello, Necropolis MR, San Ercolano, ANAS, Isola Sacra, Monterotondo, Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate, Minoans, Mycenaean, Oetzi, ...

https://i.imgur.com/XNTfNTh.jpg

CLONE TEST 1... 2 ... 3 ... :-)

Salento
05-12-20, 06:51
Octavius and I have one thing in common, ... sadly are not the Sestertii :grin:

... about natalis :)

https://i.imgur.com/ooWICGg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/s9UYAbp.jpg

Salento
05-12-20, 07:43
My grandparents and others of their generation, ... in dialect they often called money Sesterzi, ... but today, people hardly say that anymore, ... too bad :)

Salento
05-12-20, 16:48
Posts # 3189 and 3190 are duplicates / clones, It's not the first time, if I edit one of them they both change, ... I only posted it once :innocent:

torzio
05-12-20, 20:10
my father new #1


1. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.095 - MOK10
Top 99 % match vs all users



and




12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.543 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users

torzio
05-12-20, 20:13
updated my new oldest ancient matches




12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users



40. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users



49. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
Top 96 % match vs all users

Salento
06-12-20, 16:04
R437 300 BC Latin Tribe Praeneste

EU K13 (Combined Kit)
Closest population distances

IT_Salento 0.522
IT_Sannio 0.550
IT_Apulia 0.638
Sicily 0.653
IT_Molise 0.696
IT_Puglia 0.701
IT_Campania 0.721
IT_Abruzzo 0.738

https://i.imgur.com/mbIsgIl.jpg


X3 Pugliese

R437 k36 Map:

https://i.imgur.com/GHtdi2h.jpg

Henrique
06-12-20, 17:58
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--IsQPrpZRJg/X8z_Rb2q8AI/AAAAAAAAAuc/b_Fv9Gw2go0FFUqni0vQ6WdvDRMrDC3ggCLcBGAsYHQ/image.png

torzio
06-12-20, 18:39
my new matches ...............I don't know enough about mokrin serbia bronze-age



12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users



40. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users



49. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
Top 96 % match vs all users

Early Bronze Age
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/ScandiaBronze.jpg

16. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.54 - MOK17
Top 99 % match vs all users



18. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.67 - MOK10
Top 95 % match vs all users



23. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.47 - MOK26
Top 97 % match vs all users



36. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.0 - MOK29
Top 86 % match vs all users



41. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.39 - I4332
Top 96 % match vs all users



42. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.45 - MOK9
Top 90 % match vs all users



47. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.87 - MOK33
Top 99 % match vs all users



50. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.92 - MOK20
Top 85 % match vs all users



51. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.0 - I4331
Top 94 % match vs all users



58. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.39 - MOK21
Top 39 % match vs all users



the paper is below

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.18.101337v1.full.pdf

torzio
06-12-20, 18:41
https://i.postimg.cc/NMnTZ79p/bron-age-dec-2020.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
06-12-20, 19:05
about post #3196

... 300 BC Latin R437 is a x3 Pugliese,
#1 IT_Salento

... what say you ? :)

Salento
06-12-20, 22:26
https://i.postimg.cc/NMnTZ79p/bron-age-dec-2020.png (https://postimages.org/)
... with Timelapse maps I get Late Bronze Age (no Bronze Age),
... but ... I do with the Regional Archaeogenetic maps:
https://i.imgur.com/h1j3gTZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OP9WRxk.jpg
... that’s y T R850, I think.

Palermo Trapani
06-12-20, 23:23
about post #3196

... 300 BC Latin R437 is a x3 Pugliese,
#1 IT_Salento

... what say you ? :)

Salento: No doubt. Sicily representing itself well there as well, particularly the area in the NW where the Provinces of Trapani and Palermo border each other, or Palermo and Trapani pardon the pun.:good_job:

Duarte
06-12-20, 23:43
EBA Mokrin and modern populations
https://i.imgur.com/Hbc5CNk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rommdt6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g2I5lWa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ukERpHh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iwKXtkR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1pJGypy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y202V5z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/st08Z2g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wssM9Yw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6hxOf9m.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0ls5dgR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zJ0PlSZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/syaxRVt.jpg

Wanderer
07-12-20, 01:54
EBA Mokrin and modern populations
https://i.imgur.com/Hbc5CNk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rommdt6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g2I5lWa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ukERpHh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iwKXtkR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1pJGypy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y202V5z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/st08Z2g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wssM9Yw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6hxOf9m.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0ls5dgR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zJ0PlSZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/syaxRVt.jpgInteresting. So eba Mokrin is more similar to occitan and catalans then to balkan people todays?
Is that right?

Salento
07-12-20, 02:08
Salento: No doubt. Sicily representing itself well there as well, particularly the area in the NW where the Provinces of Trapani and Palermo border each other, or Palermo and Trapani pardon the pun.:good_job:

by now we all know that every Kit / Oracle gives a different prediction, ... they go all over the place, ... but we get the general idea, :)

Carlos
07-12-20, 02:17
Updating my Deep Dive map
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-270GjQGo-34/X81v4iQKc7I/AAAAAAAAFIM/P4fNj_1dGcsepNbvMHAzrUo9yP-Tm31MgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MapeDeepDiveDiciembre2020.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--O62mjY5NF4/X8V9OPLoJxI/AAAAAAAAE6I/URUTk9UPxu0cgIaEWWMSe3u2OY6nPc4ZwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1318/EarlyBronzeAgemokrinNecr%25C3%25B3polisSerbia1950b cMOK10.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kUSuR9BLGJw/X8V9SXJP91I/AAAAAAAAE6M/ClEWm334lK8apqI3Jx6Ruxc_hwt5NmHSwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/EarlyBronzeAgemokrinNecr%25C3%25B3polisSerbia1950b cMOK15.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--t1CqtMSv0I/X81yo8LjBTI/AAAAAAAAFIg/ps7DWqhPdYoduO3YrSmfJH1eBUJU67s5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/EarlyBronzeAgemokrinNecr%25C3%25B3polisSerbia1950b cMOK29.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iueNsecR06c/X8V9ZWH87kI/AAAAAAAAE6Q/dwrF2Y0SzOIXQGNy6PonRuWHU8CPaliLQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1320/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kBS5fnZvGCs/X81yZPrZJsI/AAAAAAAAFIY/qpeFuul7JuspusMN6zl9JpBP5xPf2zQyQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/VikingSt.BriceMassacreOxfordVK146.JPEG

And the update of my kit (grey point) compared to Sant Julià de Ramis I10897 (White point)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-obn8eEONXX0/X80lJWu0y_I/AAAAAAAAFHc/VM8lGsqfHRMmiFbgngKCGfS7TT7X2CodQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitversusSantjulia6.jpeg

A fruitful week in terms of obtaining and new conversions.

Duarte
07-12-20, 03:04
Interesting. So eba Mokrin is more similar to occitan and catalans then to balkan people todays?
Is that right?

Hi Wanderer.

Yes. At least these samples that matches with me. The study suggests a great degree of mobility and exogamy in the EBA Mokrin people.

“Abstract

Twenty-four ancient genomes with an average sequencing coverage of 0.85±0.25 X were produced from the Mokrin necropolis, an Early Bronze Age (2,100-1,800 BC) Maros culture site in Serbia, to provide unambiguous identification of biological sex, population structure, and genetic kinship between individuals. Of the 24 investigated individuals, 15 were involved in kinship relationships of varying degrees, including 3 parent-offspring relationships. All observed parent-offspring pairs were mother and son. In addition to the absence of biological daughters, we observed a number of young women and girls with no biological relatives in our sample. These observations, together with the high mitochondrial diversity in our sample, are consistent with the practice of female exogamy in the population served by Mokrin. However, moderate-to-high Y-chromosomal diversity suggests a degree of male mobility greater than that expected under strict patrilocality. Individual status differences at Mokrin, as indicated by grave goods, support the inference that females could inherit status, but could not transmit status to all their sons. The case of a son whose grave good richness outstrips that of his biological mother suggests that sons had the possibility to acquire status during their lifetimes. The Mokrin sample resembles a genetically unstructured population, suggesting that the community’s social hierarchies were not accompanied by strict marriage barriers.”

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.18.101337v1.full

torzio
07-12-20, 05:58
Interesting. So eba Mokrin is more similar to occitan and catalans then to balkan people todays?
Is that right?


The individual Mokrin genomes are best modelled as a mixture of Central European hunter-gatherers, Aegean Neolithic farmers and influences from the Eastern European steppes (mean qpAdm tail probability individually 0.46, pooled 0.08).

We observed no significant variation in the eastern European steppe-like component between individuals. Pooling individuals, admixture proportions are estimated to be around 8% (± 1.2% SE) western hunter gatherers, 55% (± 2.5% SE) Aegean Neolithic farmers, and 37% (± 2.3% SE) Eastern European steppe-like population.


https://i.postimg.cc/t4rHFgw3/mokrin.png (https://postimages.org/)

torzio
07-12-20, 06:01
there is, in the cultural entity of the Early Maros Culture, a kind of regional exclave of the Danubian EBA in south-eastern Hungary/ south-western Romania/northern Serbia, far outside its core area north of the Alps. The arrangement of the cemeteries, the burials and burial customs, and the material culture found at sites such as Sándorfalva-Eperjes, co. Csongrád (Hungary; Trogmayer 2001) and Kiskundorozsma-Hosszúhát-halom near Szeged, co. Csongrád (Hungary; Bende/ Lörinczy 2002), complemented by the earliest graves in the cemetery of Mokrin (Wagner 2009),

Salento
07-12-20, 17:18
Salento: No doubt. Sicily representing itself well there as well, particularly the area in the NW where the Provinces of Trapani and Palermo border each other, or Palermo and Trapani pardon the pun.:good_job:

@PalermoT

in dodecad K7: add your coordinates to SOURCE, cut R437, paste on TARGET, run it!
I think it would show you're R437 Top Match :)

... same with me, but you should be closer to R437 than me.

23v5 kit:

https://i.imgur.com/8os36tv.jpg

(I shorten R437 name, ... too long) lol

https://i.imgur.com/C7abwel.jpg

Salento
07-12-20, 18:50
... same as above, but with Dod W9 :)
(ask Jovialis where the coordinates are, ... I ran it a while ago)

https://i.imgur.com/nO7GSZ6.jpg

Salento
08-12-20, 05:17
... my top dodecad K13

https://i.imgur.com/a2UyuUj.jpg


relatives:

https://i.imgur.com/FV8Ycap.jpg

chrome 19 cugini:
https://i.imgur.com/pC3ozxe.jpg

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/40653-Dodecad-Globe-13-Modern-World-Ancient-West-Eurasia?p=615993&viewfull=1#post615993

Palermo Trapani
08-12-20, 05:47
Salento: Regarding your post #3211, I will take a look at what you suggested. Thanks

Palermo Trapani
08-12-20, 06:00
Salento: R437_Latin_Prenestini as Target. I included my K7 Dodecad Coordinates along with all the other K7 Dodecad ancient coordinates. Just as you suggested, I am pretty close to R437. I think statistically there isn't much of a difference between Me, You and our Iron Age amico R437. We are all pretty darn close!



Distance to:
C6_Iron_Age_Mediterranean:R437_(Latin_Prenestini_T ribe)_Palestrina_Selicata


0.83982141
PalermoTrapani


1.44450684
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R131_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis


1.57241852
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R58_Villa_Magna


1.75128524
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R56_Villa_Magna


1.83040979
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R122_S_Erc olano_Necropolis_Ostia


1.93958759
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R59_Villa_Magna


1.95276727
C5_Late_Antiquity_Eastern_Mediterranean:R32_Mausol e_di_Augusto


2.20451809
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R52_Villa_Magna


2.49657766
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R35_Celio


2.50810686
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R1290_Villa_Magna


3.01693553
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R47_Centocelle_Necropoli s


3.02354097
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R113_Via_Paisiello_Necro polis


3.46463562
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R57_Villa_Magna


3.55280171
Foggia_MA:VK535


3.64666971
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R49_Centocelle_Necropoli s


3.86522962
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R117_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia


3.87320281
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R54_Villa_Magna


3.91605669
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R65_Villa_Magna


4.13098051
C6_Medieval_Mediterranean:R973_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cian ti


4.17784634
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R835_Civitanova_Marche


4.23749926
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R107_Crypta_Balbi


4.33144318
Foggia_MA:VK537


4.48717060
Foggia_MA:VK534


4.67915591
C6_Late_Antiquity_Mediterranean:R121_S_Ercolano_Ne cropolis_Ostia


4.71136923
C6_Imperial_Mediterranean:R836_Civitanova_Marche

Palermo Trapani
08-12-20, 06:12
by now we all know that every Kit / Oracle gives a different prediction, ... they go all over the place, ... but we get the general idea, :)

Salento: Yes I agree, I saw the K36 and the Yourdnaportal results you showed earlier. The Dodecad K7 results along with the Eurogenes K36 and yourdnaportal oracle using Eurogenes K13 all corroborate each other in that the results are consistent, R437 is a match with modern Italians from regions South of Lazio. The way I think of it is that if you put R437 as a Dependent variable in an OLS Regression, and include Puglia, Sicily, Campania, Basilicata, Calabria as explanatory variables on the right hand side, the coefficients would be statistically significantly associated with R437 or put the means of all the Southern Regions, R437 would not be statistically different from the Southern Regions. While Multivariate statistics are probably not the way to analyze DNA data, it sort of makes sense to me and how I think about analyzing data and running statistical models.:good_job:

You, Jovialis (based on the results he has posted in the past) and I, are all close to R437.

Palermo Trapani
08-12-20, 06:28
Salento: My Dodecad World 9 coordinates included in Source data with the ancient Roman samples from Antonio et al 2019 (126 of 127) with R437 (127th) included in the Target. So again, getting consistent results with K7. Again as you stated, all the estimations from various calculators are providing the same results.



Distance to:
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


1.37368119
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


1.53642442
PalermoTrapani


1.53974024
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


1.55602057
R131_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


1.69378275
R52_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


1.91138693
R32_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto


2.00254838
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.13791955
R122_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


2.38419798
R113_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis


2.54493615
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.55685354
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


2.69807339
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


2.74001825
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


2.78134859
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


2.87899288
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


2.91496141
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


3.27459921
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.40649380
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


3.74518357
R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


3.79959208
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


4.04586208
R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi


4.19740396
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


4.35279221
R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


4.51237188
R118_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


4.82091278
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Salento
08-12-20, 07:40
@PalermoT :good_job:

... In Vino Veritas ...
(Pliny the Elder)

Salute :)

Carlos
08-12-20, 19:29
https://img2.rtve.es/imagenes/otros-documentales-historia-comida-italia-bandeja-comian-romanos/1517688064770.JPG

Salento
08-12-20, 19:59
https://img2.rtve.es/imagenes/otros-documentales-historia-comida-italia-bandeja-comian-romanos/1517688064770.JPG

https://i.imgur.com/DwqBIL5.jpg

Palermo Trapani
09-12-20, 01:55
@PalermoT :good_job:

... In Vino Veritas ...
(Pliny the Elder)

Salute :)

Salento: Breaking out the Latin, my compliments:good_job:

Carlos
11-12-20, 22:27
My results in:

Latín tardío
Latin late


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.765 - I12034

2. Roman Soldier Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.032 - FN_2

3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.04 - FN_2

4. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.106 - CL94

18. Late Roman-Era Emporion
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.18 - I8343

19. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.21 - R109

20. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.31 - CL23

22. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.46 - R105

24. Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.54 - R110

28. Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.78 - R108

41. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.56 - R33

55. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.4 - CL47b

57. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.45 - CL57

58. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.46 - STR_535

73. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.94 - SZ28

87. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.28 - STR310

110. Basque Post-Roman Era Barcelona
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.73 - I3777

164. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.45 - I3982

167. Ostrogoth Mix
495 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.5 - AEH_1

187. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.02 - SZ45

189. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.04 - I6490

192. Latin Roman Isola Sacra
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.12 - R37

195. Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.17 - BIM33

198. Hungary Avar Master Mako-Mikocsa
599 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.31 - MMper227

203. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.38 - CL47

208. Medieval Tyrolian
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.45 - SZ18

216. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.58 - I3981

225. Early Medieval Alemannic Bavaria
420 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.76 - AED1135b

228. Frankish Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.81 - CL49

231. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.88 - R36

235. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.94 - CL63

237. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.18 - NS3c

244. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.42 - SZ37

262. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.86 - I4055

265. Post-Roman Era Barcelona
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.96 - I3776

266. Hungary Elite Avar Kiskoros-Vaghohid
690 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.96 - KVper3450_GE

267. Hungary Late Avar Szekkutas-Kapolnadulo
680 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.98 - SzKper239

270. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.01 - I3577

276. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.22 - SZ27

283. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.47 - I3574

287. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.58 - 6DRIF-22

288. Visigoth Frankish Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.59 - I12032

297. Thuringii Tribe
420 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.89 - AED_1108

298. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.91 - CL36

300. Swiss Germanic
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.97 - CL102

301. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.97 - AED513

308. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.25 - I3582

323. Medieval Tyrolian
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.72 - CL53

325. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.74 - I12162

331. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.87 - SZ32

338. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

357. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576

360. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - SZ23

366. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth
310 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - MJ37

377. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - 3DRIF-16

381. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581

383. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32

394. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

398. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

399. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

400. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

402. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.46 - SZ38

414. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
475 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.63 - I3756

416. Germanic Tribe Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.72 - R106

426. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983

448. Saxon Hinxton
720 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.4 - HinxtonO1

459. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

460. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584

462. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120

464. Late Iron Age Tollemosegard Denmark
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.7 - VK65

467. Alemanni Celtic Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - NS10

481. Celtic-Mix Visigoth Girona Spain
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.88 - I12164

482. Germanic Lombard Szolad
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.91 - SZ3

490. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

491. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31

492. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47

498. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14



When a model has already given all that it had or could give, there must be changes towards other stages that diverge in other directions in which to continue to evolve



The tactic is very good and no escape is possible backwards.

Salento
12-12-20, 09:10
SZ1 got 17 Centuries younger, ... and a new name:

... this changes everything, ... so many posts and assumptions all based on a mistaken identity :petrified:

https://i.imgur.com/HcOWzlE.jpg

Duarte
12-12-20, 16:30
EBA Mokrin and their ancient matches. My Deep Dive Mokrin matches:


EBA Mokrin and modern populations
https://i.imgur.com/Hbc5CNk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Rommdt6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g2I5lWa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ukERpHh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/iwKXtkR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1pJGypy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y202V5z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/st08Z2g.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wssM9Yw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6hxOf9m.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0ls5dgR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zJ0PlSZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/syaxRVt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NFdH9j4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UcaOhQ8.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jb5Eyfw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/42iYT40.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xzMrVG5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1ZRI40V.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QnDtmK9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FkAiNQO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TqdSdHG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WqYmAsW.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/M4RoY04.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ekPG617.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nEkBOmU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4bKkKkc.png
https://i.imgur.com/459y1xE.png
https://i.imgur.com/3zxfIjt.png
https://i.imgur.com/80m2RGR.png
https://i.imgur.com/CQ6UWBI.png

Jovialis
12-12-20, 17:30
SZ1 got 17 Centuries younger, ... and a new name:

... this changes everything, ... so many posts and assumptions all based on a mistaken identity :petrified:

https://i.imgur.com/HcOWzlE.jpg

Mytrueancestry is wrong, because the supplementary information of the study it is from, confirms that SZ1 is a Bronze Age sample.

Jovialis
12-12-20, 17:35
This makes me wonder. I think they need to cross check their data base, because I think my samples list is wrong. Every other calculator puts me much closer to samples that MTA puts me way off from.

Palermo Trapani
12-12-20, 18:01
This makes me wonder. I think they need to cross check their data base, because I think my samples list is wrong. Every other calculator puts me much closer to samples that MTA puts me way off from.

Jovialis: Do you know what is the calculator Mytrueancestry is using. Or do they have their own. I like you get closer distances on some samples that MTA has me further away from even though for example many of the same samples that show up in my top 100 in MTA show up in my top 100 using Dodecad various calculators, MDLP or even Eurogenes K13/K15.

Salento
12-12-20, 18:13
This makes me wonder. I think they need to cross check their data base, because I think my samples list is wrong. Every other calculator puts me much closer to samples that MTA puts me way off from.

... agree, ... also some of the ancient kits I uploaded don’t quite match their own kits, ... but I don’t know for sure which one is better.

Jovialis
12-12-20, 18:23
Jovialis: Do you know what is the calculator Mytrueancestry is using. Or do they have their own. I like you get closer distances on some samples that MTA has me further away from even though for example many of the same samples that show up in my top 100 in MTA show up in my top 100 using Dodecad various calculators, MDLP or even Eurogenes K13/K15.

It seems to be close to Eurogenes, but I think it is their own version. However, despite the calculator, if they are not labeling the samples correctly, there is a major issue they should fix. Maybe SZ1 is an isolated incident. idk

Duarte
12-12-20, 18:34
Modern populations distances are much similar to Vahaduo Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet. See my modern results in both calculators:

MTA
Your closest genetic modern populations...
Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)
1. Portuguese (6.307)
2. Spanish_Extremadura (7.061)
3. Spanish_Galicia (7.266)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (7.592)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (7.609)
6. Spanish_Murcia (7.860)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (7.977)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (9.082)

Vahaduo Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet



Distance to:
Duarte


6.26967304
Portuguese


7.00658976
Spanish_Extremadura


7.37605586
Spanish_Galicia


7.63178223
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


7.68158838
Spanish_Murcia


7.77076573
Spanish_Cantabria


7.99125772
Spanish_Cataluna


8.72978808
FRA_Septimania


9.06899112
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha

Palermo Trapani
12-12-20, 18:39
It seems to be close to Eurogenes, but I think it is their own version. However, despite the calculator, if they are not labeling the samples correctly, there is a major issue they should fix. Maybe SZ1 is an isolated incident. idk

Jovialis: Ok, thanks. I agree, they need to do a review to ensure the samples are labeled correctly. Hopefully SZ1 is the only one not labeled correctly.

Palermo Trapani
12-12-20, 18:40
Modern populations distances are much similar to Vahaduo Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet. See my modern results in both calculators:

MTA
Your closest genetic modern populations...


Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)
1. Portuguese (6.307)
2. Spanish_Extremadura (7.061)
3. Spanish_Galicia (7.266)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (7.592)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (7.609)
6. Spanish_Murcia (7.860)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (7.977)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (9.082)

Vahaduo Eurogenes K15 updated spreadsheet



Distance to:
Duarte


6.26967304
Portuguese


7.00658976
Spanish_Extremadura


7.37605586
Spanish_Galicia


7.63178223
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


7.68158838
Spanish_Murcia


7.77076573
Spanish_Cantabria


7.99125772
Spanish_Cataluna


8.72978808
FRA_Septimania


9.06899112
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha








Duarte: Nice work. Thanks:good_job:

Carlos
12-12-20, 19:07
Well I don't understand much about all this genetics stuff but I've heard out there that there are samples that under the label of Latinos are actually Etruscans and many other samples under various labels that are actually Logombards, I don't know if it's true or not, but that's what they say out there.

Carlos
12-12-20, 19:36
MTA

1. Spanish_Cantabria (6.258)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.723)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (8.458)
4. Southwest_French (8.469)
5. Spanish_Aragon (8.66)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (9.217)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (9.510)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (9.892)


k15



Distance to:
Carlos


6.28936404
Spanish_Cantabria


7.76821086
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


8.48681330
Southwest_French


8.50177628
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


8.69507907
Spanish_Aragon


9.26335252
Spanish_Cataluna


9.56104597
Spanish_Extremadura


9.94264049
Spanish_Andalucia


9.96101902
Spanish_Valencia


10.08261375
Portuguese


10.18418873
Spanish_Murcia


10.92309022
Spanish_Galicia


14.68223416
French


15.65960089
French_Basque


16.06824508
North_Italian


19.05653956
South_Dutch


21.71067710
Southwest_English


22.90593809
Tuscan


23.14467109
West_German


23.45287402
Southeast_English


25.09139095
Austrian


25.18253363
East_German


25.37154114
North_German


25.39016739
Irish


25.86003094
Serbian




A small jump between Castile and Leon and Southwest France but let's see if you understand me.
Now with the cursor I can not select what I want to copy the whole block by default.

K13


Distance to:
Carlos


5.99357156
Spanish_Cantabria


6.65038345
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


7.07265862
Southwest_French


7.98839158
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


8.09111241
Spanish_Aragon


8.12444460
Spanish_Galicia


8.17633781
Spanish_Andalucia


8.41938240
Spanish_Cataluna


8.42352064
Spanish_Extremadura


9.21772749
Spanish_Murcia


9.24409541
Portuguese


9.59140761
Spanish_Valencia


13.08031727
French


16.10858777
French_Basque


16.42111141
North_Italian


18.71481232
South_Dutch


19.45701159
West_German


22.24301688
Southwest_English


22.79234740
Southeast_English


23.37091141
Tuscan


24.91886233
Orcadian


25.11564652
Austrian


25.44782898
Irish


25.49558393
West_Scottish


26.67815211
North_Dutch




G25


Distance to:
Carlos_scaled


0.02008536
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


0.02180489
Spanish_Galicia


0.02231244
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


0.02269035
Spanish_Andalucia


0.02312202
Portuguese


0.02489288
Spanish_Valencia


0.02490052
Spanish_Menorca


0.02522834
Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre


0.02553041
Spanish_Aragon


0.02585001
Spanish_Cataluna


0.02603826
Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona


0.02618920
Spanish_Eivissa


0.02618944
Spanish_Alacant


0.02619990
Spanish_Pirineu


0.02712183
Spanish_Lleida


0.02722912
Spanish_Baleares


0.02793500
Spanish_Cantabria


0.02795867
Spanish_Extremadura


0.02815267
Spanish_Murcia


0.02842729
Spanish_Castello


0.02852608
Spanish_Barcelones


0.02860053
Spanish_Mallorca


0.02901544
Spanish_Penedes


0.02905788
Spanish_Peri-Barcelona


0.02921315
Spanish_Girona




And here the homogeneity is bestial, we are one,

Duarte
12-12-20, 20:14
Vahaduo Eurogenes K13 updated spreadsheet has a little bit different populations and distances when compared to K15 and MTA

Mine



Distance to:
Duarte


5.85985495
Spanish_Extremadura


5.90686888
Spanish_Andalucia


6.03160012
Spanish


6.40790137
Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha


6.60645896
Spanish_Murcia


6.78030235
Portuguese


6.88743784
Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon


6.90646074
Spanish_Galicia


6.93357772
Spanish_Valencia


7.19974305
Spanish_Cantabria


7.83324964
Spanish_Cataluna


8.59401536
Spanish_Aragon


9.19530859
FRA_Septimania


9.58162304
Southwest_French


11.26589544
Swiss-Italian2


12.12645043
IT_Orobia


12.21640700
IT_Piedmont


12.33157735
IT_Aosta_Valley


12.52173311
FRA_Provence


12.53558934
Swiss_Italian


12.69648770
IT_Lombardy


12.77490509
IT_Insubria


12.94127892
French


13.94228819
IT_Veneto


13.94905015
IT_Trentino

Carlos
12-12-20, 23:38
I will carry out a uniparental introspection based on the mitochondrial haplogroup to support a multidisciplinary logistics based on the correlation of old data to see if I see something.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-HS84VyaPUzo/X7xkAclpEsI/AAAAAAAAExM/W5to8nUEqso5ixXmLUPt3lBb0OErgUXTwCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h538/EuropeNeoliticAge.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-270GjQGo-34/X81v4iQKc7I/AAAAAAAAFIM/P4fNj_1dGcsepNbvMHAzrUo9yP-Tm31MgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h536/MapeDeepDiveDiciembre2020.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KTrQqtyKPvY/X84U12QoQhI/AAAAAAAAFI4/A5rKdUy-OtYW8pKt9h6VQzZ47x_GvnEkACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h322/MapamitocondrialJ1c5c1near.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EFeZpV6x1a8/X84UnNfGeQI/AAAAAAAAFIw/DXwbhS8uBUQbfeoE1UBKnaJv1FEhbGNXwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1310/MapamitocondrialJ1c5c1.jpeg

Salento
13-12-20, 01:06
Dark Ages top 10
(Bronze Age SZ1 made the list), lol

https://i.imgur.com/i9zuZWA.jpg

Duarte
13-12-20, 01:35
Dark Ages top 10
(Bronze Age SZ1 made the list), lol

https://i.imgur.com/i9zuZWA.jpg
I believe they were betrayed for not verifying that SZ1 sample is from a period much earlier than that of all other samples. OMG! :laughing::good_job:

“Two longobard-associated cemeteriesWe performed a deep genomic characterization of individuals buried in two cemeteries of the sixth to seventh centuries CE that have material culture associated with the Longobards. Both are considered key sites with regard to the proposed migration from Pannonia to Italy. The first cemetery, Szólád, is located in present-day Hungary (Supplementary Figure 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)). There are 45 graves (Fig. 1b (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#Fig1)), all of which are dated to the middle third of the sixth century based on a combination of stylistic elements of the grave goods and radiocarbon (2-sigma range of 412–604 CE, Supplementary Table 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)) analysis14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#ref-CR14). Archeological, stable isotope, and mtDNA (HVS-1) analyses suggested that Szólád was occupied for only ~20/30 years by a mobile group of Longobard-era settlers14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#ref-CR14). The female to male ratio (sexing being based primarily on genetic data, or in its absence, anatomy) is 0.65. Graves in this cemetery are organized such that a core group (N = 18), mostly of male individuals, is surrounded by a half-ring of females (N = 11) (Supplementary Figure 2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)). Most of these individuals lie in elaborate graves with ledge walls and wooden chambers all in the same orientation, furnished with numerous artifacts such as beads, pottery, swords, and shields. The remaining 16 Longobard-period graves are more diverse in relation to the sex of the individuals, as well as to the quality of grave construction and richness of artifacts. Archeologists also recovered two bodies (AV1, AV2) that derive from a later occupation of the region by the Avars in the fill of the Longobard-period grave (SZ27)15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#ref-CR15), as well the skeletal remains from an individual dating to the Bronze Age 10 m north of the cemetery (SZ1). See Supplementary Note 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1), Supplementary Figures 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)–11 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1), and Supplementary Table 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1) for the archeological context of Szólád.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4

Jovialis
13-12-20, 01:44
MTA says the Roopkund Lake traveler I3350 is closest to me, he is my #1 match. However, Dodecad Globe 13 indicates I am pretty distant:



Distance to:
Jovialis


4.08227878
I3403:É_Harney_et_al._2019


5.32357023
I3404:É_Harney_et_al._2019


6.43343610
I6937:É_Harney_et_al._2019


8.52763742
I3350:É_Harney_et_al._2019




https://i.imgur.com/B5gMmNZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/R3E9gd7.png

Salento
13-12-20, 02:53
@Jovialis that’s also my top match for now, ... was R1548, ...

https://i.imgur.com/VRPOlA7.jpg

Jovialis
13-12-20, 03:54
@Jovialis that’s also my top match for now, ... was R1548, ...

https://i.imgur.com/VRPOlA7.jpg

R1548 was also mine, and it is also a sample that is considerably distant from both of us. Both of those samples are "south" of south Italians, and pulled further to the east. I think there must be something wrong here, because it doesn't make sense.

Jovialis
13-12-20, 04:07
https://i.imgur.com/W0Lu5Dl.png

This is not a good fit, especially since there are many more samples which are much closer to me.



Distance to:
Jovialis


11.26066161
R1548

Jovialis
13-12-20, 04:14
FWIW, since MTA is closest to Eurogene K15, not even that calculator puts me close to R1548:



Distance to:
Jovialis


4.75335671
R65_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


5.51492520
R136_Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro


6.08097032
R1544_Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese


6.09821285
R56_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.32203290
R117_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia


6.38034482
R47_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


6.40971918
R436_Imperial_Era_Palestrina


6.54137600
R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.57746152
R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


6.83912275
R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche


6.90821974
R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.72365846
R64_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


7.92461356
R1548_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


8.22504711
R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo


8.34279929
R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


8.42568098
R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.51677169
R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.62258082
R57_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


8.88838568
R51_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis


8.90012359
R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


8.90951738
R53_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna


9.22901945
R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti


9.41190735
R437_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Selicata


9.43142619
R35_Late_Antiquity_Celio


9.47611207
R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna

Salento
13-12-20, 05:07
... found it :) ... EU k15:

https://i.imgur.com/I6NaRbC.jpg

MTA Oracle doesn’t match the other calculators, in our case, not even k15.

Salento
13-12-20, 05:35
Modern Age (... Skeleton Lake) and Medieval Age (... Foggia Viking)

https://i.imgur.com/giuPlnn.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/KzFAqII.jpg

Salento
13-12-20, 06:34
I noticed that Late Medieval R56 and Medieval R60 (both Villa Magna), though different, they share the same distance value, guess I’m in the middle of their ancestries:

https://i.imgur.com/uKvbvTb.jpg

Duarte
13-12-20, 17:10
... found it :) ... EU k15:

https://i.imgur.com/I6NaRbC.jpg

MTA Oracle doesn’t match the other calculators, in our case, not even k15.

Perhaps the similarity of the results between ‘EU K15’ and ‘MTA modern’ is restricted only to modern populations. It is possible that the distances of ancestral populations are of a specific algorithm that minimizes the calculator effect.

Salento
13-12-20, 17:51
Perhaps the similarity of the results between ‘EU K15’ and ‘MTA modern’ is restricted only to modern populations. It is possible that the distances of ancestral populations are of a specific algorithm that minimizes the calculator effect.

I think they’re not using a standard EU K15 at all,

... the two modern Apulian :) K15 top matches are very distant to the MTA top Match on the official (R) Roman PCA.

... though every calculator shows that the MTA top matches of the Apulians are way way off.

https://i.imgur.com/1VjfcLs.jpg

torzio
13-12-20, 18:14
I believe they were betrayed for not verifying that SZ1 sample is from a period much earlier than that of all other samples. OMG! :laughing::good_job:

“Two longobard-associated cemeteries

We performed a deep genomic characterization of individuals buried in two cemeteries of the sixth to seventh centuries CE that have material culture associated with the Longobards. Both are considered key sites with regard to the proposed migration from Pannonia to Italy. The first cemetery, Szólád, is located in present-day Hungary (Supplementary Figure 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)). There are 45 graves (Fig. 1b (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#Fig1)), all of which are dated to the middle third of the sixth century based on a combination of stylistic elements of the grave goods and radiocarbon (2-sigma range of 412–604 CE, Supplementary Table 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)) analysis14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#ref-CR14). Archeological, stable isotope, and mtDNA (HVS-1) analyses suggested that Szólád was occupied for only ~20/30 years by a mobile group of Longobard-era settlers14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#ref-CR14). The female to male ratio (sexing being based primarily on genetic data, or in its absence, anatomy) is 0.65. Graves in this cemetery are organized such that a core group (N = 18), mostly of male individuals, is surrounded by a half-ring of females (N = 11) (Supplementary Figure 2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)). Most of these individuals lie in elaborate graves with ledge walls and wooden chambers all in the same orientation, furnished with numerous artifacts such as beads, pottery, swords, and shields. The remaining 16 Longobard-period graves are more diverse in relation to the sex of the individuals, as well as to the quality of grave construction and richness of artifacts. Archeologists also recovered two bodies (AV1, AV2) that derive from a later occupation of the region by the Avars in the fill of the Longobard-period grave (SZ27)15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#ref-CR15), as well the skeletal remains from an individual dating to the Bronze Age 10 m north of the cemetery (SZ1). See Supplementary Note 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1), Supplementary Figures 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1)–11 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1), and Supplementary Table 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4#MOESM1) for the archeological context of Szólád.”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4






the issue is that SZ1 is the forefather of many of these samples

https://i.postimg.cc/hvFqRhq0/sz1.png

meaning.......how long have this family been in pannonia .......since SZ1 is late bronze age
(https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
13-12-20, 18:40
the issue is that SZ1 is the forefather of many of these samples

https://i.postimg.cc/hvFqRhq0/sz1.png

meaning.......how long have this family been in pannonia .......since SZ1 is late bronze age
(https://postimages.org/)

I agree that SZ1 is the ancestor of several other individuals buried in Szólád. But it is a individual from Bronze Age and it is not correct for MTA to label that individual as a Medieval Avar (Avar Szólád Hungary - 700AD).

https://i.imgur.com/MrN0IJp.jpg

Salento
13-12-20, 19:41
Roman PCA
https://i.imgur.com/JwCq8ys.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ccJsequ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8OYIMH6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/090MTAX.jpg

torzio
13-12-20, 19:48
I agree that SZ1 is the ancestor of several other individuals buried in Szólád. But it is a individual from Bronze Age and it is not correct for MTA to label that individual as a Medieval Avar (Avar Szólád Hungary - 700AD).

https://i.imgur.com/MrN0IJp.jpg


my question is

since SZ1 was found in pannonia in the bronze-age and is the forefather of the other lombards noted in the family tree....then it is reasonable to state these AD lombards have been in pannonia for a long time