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Duarte
13-12-20, 20:44
my question is

since SZ1 was found in pannonia in the bronze-age and is the forefather of the other lombards noted in the family tree....then it is reasonable to state these AD lombards have been in pannonia for a long time

I wouldn't say Lombards have been living in Pannonia for a long time. Hallstatt Celts spread throughout Europe and most likely the Lombards who arrived in Pannonia and Italy from 376 CE carried a high degree of Hallstatt ancestry.


https://i.imgur.com/vKbAcVr.jpg

Salento
14-12-20, 03:57
from @Duarte’s post #3248:

SZ19 is shown as being “100% TSI”
vs
SZ19 Central Roman / “Mixed”

... yep, :)

https://i.imgur.com/6KAGRYP.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/e4fSsWg.jpg

torzio
14-12-20, 17:15
from @Duarte’s post #3248:

SZ19 is shown as being “100% TSI”
vs
SZ19 Central Roman / “Mixed”

... yep, :)

https://i.imgur.com/6KAGRYP.jpg



https://i.imgur.com/e4fSsWg.jpg


below is from the paper

https://i.postimg.cc/hvFqRhq0/sz1.png

this kndred also appears in the bar chart .............does SZ19 make any sense ?
(https://postimages.org/)

Carlos
14-12-20, 21:38
I rehearse between one of my outlays and one of my Deep DIVE in a triangulation with myself.

338. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B948oE-MHco/XsjZU6KtPbI/AAAAAAAAD38/FAw53Ruoz_IUppxZYoLo9vc6ZvVFiJnwACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MedievalPiedmontCL57.jpg



Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)Compared to my kit (white point)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-inKEzJu1zYk/X9eq9niVJiI/AAAAAAAAFJ4/YImwneqea4spnkZpiwzp-rHbBTJFOEaHwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Carthago%2BOutlier%2BSan%2BErcolano%2B%2528R121%25 29vsMyKit.jpeg
Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121) Deep Dive Mape
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xeXnbAWTvDk/X9eti1EFC5I/AAAAAAAAFKE/opu7KkiYqf4fCBADukZkJyF1sYKyAg4MACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h568/Carthago%2BOutlier%2BSan%2BErcolano%2B%2528R121%25 29DeepDIVE.JPEG

Outlier SamplesCarthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)29. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.52 - SNN001
169. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.12 - MOK21
189. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.84 - I6492
236. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.21 - MX299
275. Aristocrat Iron Age Thrace
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.09 - K8
339. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.72 - I5470
348. Neolithic Arran Island
3400 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.92 - I2988
350. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1115 AD - Genetic Distance: 27.0 - I10897
356. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.29 - Niedertiefenbach26
369. Iron Age Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.69 - I12642
379. Neolithic Escalles France
4050 BC - Genetic Distance: 27.97 - Es97-1
386. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Mediterranean
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.1 - I6947
397. Imperial Rome Isola Sacra
99 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.26 - R39
398. Iberian El Argar Bronze Age
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.29 - I8136
417. Anatolian Roman ANAS
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 28.69 - R72
418. Neolithic Morocco
3760 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.7 - KEB6
419. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.72 - CH448
422. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.73 - OBN004
427. Late Neolithic Aesch Switzerland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.8 - Aesch16
428. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.81 - I3322
429. Late Neolithic Wartau Switzerland
2400 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.83 - SX17
432. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1525 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.91 - OTTM_156
438. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 28.98 - Rise484
442. Post Medieval London New Churchyard
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.06 - BED024
447. Portugal Lorga de Dine
2450 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.25 - LD270
451. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.36 - I7673
452. Ashkelon Philistine Minoan
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.38 - ASH067_ASH_IA
455. Sardinia Anghelu Ruju Neolithic
4000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.41 - I15945
456. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.41 - CAK530
457. Italy Bell Beaker
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.48 - I2477
458. Bronze Age Koenigsbrunn Germany
2012 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.48 - OBKR_50
461. Early Neolithic Lingolsheim Alsace
4680 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.52 - SX33
462. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.53 - PEN003
465. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.56 - I7250
466. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.57 - Niedertiefenbach30
467. Ripa Biance Neolithic Italy
5250 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.58 - R16
468. Late Neolithi Seengen Switzerland
2240 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.59 - SNPRA54
471. Ahskelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.61 - ASH135_ASH_IA2
473. Guanche Tenerife Canary Islands
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.72 - gun013
475. Hellenic Roman / Calabria
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.73 - CL25
479. Neolithic Anatolia
6300 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.78 - I0746
485. Anatolian Roman Casale del Dolce
288 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.84 - R126
486. Ashkelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.86 - ASH066_ASH_IA
487. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.87 - Niedertiefenbach42
488. Late Neolithic Aesch Switzerland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.9 - Aesch18
491. Neolithic North Portugal
2450 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.94 - LD1174
492. Ardcrony Tipperary Neolithic Ireland
3451 BC - Genetic Distance: 29.99 - ARD2
494. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 30.03 - SX20
495. Late Neolithic Aesch Switzerland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 30.03 - Aesch3
499. Hellenic Ottoman
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 30.13 - MA2196


Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121) (grey point) Medieval Piedmont (CL57)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5U27eHzinOc/X9e10UJF_zI/AAAAAAAAFKQ/_nsGG2OUF7wW-BBHqCkWJu8pWuACUIMeACLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Carthago%2BOutlier%2BSan%2BErcolano%2B%2528R121%25 29%2B%2528grey%2Bpoint%2529%2BMedieval%2BPiedmont% 2B%2528CL57%2529.jpeg

Medieval Piedmont (CL57) (grey point) My Kit (point white)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dFc0DPZhWrA/X9e2j66yq9I/AAAAAAAAFKY/baRDBFw2ynMzrXgWG32xUxi8XxgGhf4kQCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/Medieval%2BPiedmont%2B%2528CL57%2529versusMykit.jp eg

Medieval Piedmont (CL57) outiliers:251. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - scy304

285. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.32 - scy300
290. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.38 - STR_328
329. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.03 - SZ37
336. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.23 - MOK17
349. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.43 - NS3c
360. Western-Scythian Outlier Black Sea
260 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.56 - MJ46
369. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.69 - CL36
375. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.76 - I8475
389. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.97 - I7425
394. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.09 - I7497
397. Samborzec Bronze Age Poland
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.11 - I4253
400. Bronze Age Orkney Islands
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.17 - I2981
414. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.36 - 6DRIF-3
422. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.59 - VK536
428. Bell Beaker Amesbury
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.65 - I5512
432. Zerniki Wielkie Bronze Age Poland
2175 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.69 - I6583
436. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.82 - RG161c
438. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.86 - SZ22
440. Bell Beaker Germany
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.87 - I0806
446. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.92 - I12877
452. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.03 - SNN001
454. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.05 - R1015
455. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.06 - Rise484
457. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.11 - I12221
459. Scythian Moldova
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.15 - scy301
461. Post-Roman Era Barcelona
650 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.17 - I3776
463. Western-Scythian Black Sea
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.19 - MJ34
464. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.21 - OTTM_142
465. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.22 - LM_913_T
468. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.24 - R1285
471. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.26 - G119
474. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.3 - 6DRIF-18
476. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.32 - I3981
477. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.33 - I7271
478. Plague Victim Pestbacken Blekinge Sweden
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.33 - PC6-PEB10
480. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1254 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.35 - I7577
481. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.39 - NS3b
485. Bronze Age Covesea Cave Scotland
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.46 - I3132
487. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - I3809
488. Bronze Age Netherlands
1775 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - I4070
489. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.47 - I7639
490. Bell Beaker Poland
2400 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.48 - I4353
492. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.52 - I12644
495. Celtic Mix Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.57 - CL83
497. Late Medieval Gotlander
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.59 - Unknown
499. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.62 - I4895
522. Stenchme Lop Ness Sanday Scotland
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.91 - I2981

Carlos
14-12-20, 22:06
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Le0DWu6g7ek/X9fEmCpSArI/AAAAAAAAFKk/_-A7qYy0SvMbjrhoiu5EKqaTVBpPzzIOQCLcBGAsYHQ/s994/CarthagoOutlierSanErcolano%2528R121%2529.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p30BiRGEX58/X9fE5zl55XI/AAAAAAAAFLU/qpet9iTlLZIShQo0L-rKugd7n1ANKsuJACLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/deepDiveCartagoOutlier2.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3-b_le4jOgk/X9fE6SnApJI/AAAAAAAAFLY/TazqHpY4Q8Uylunx1hLa08dvHATWZnkxwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/deepDiveCartagoOutlier3.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QjMqvd8GvqU/X9fE6aBY75I/AAAAAAAAFLc/0fviW0P9DZET7mkrWfTZ3sUZDneeAHHlQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/deepDiveCartagoOutlier4.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-thoPnnNiNZk/X9fE7jjkWRI/AAAAAAAAFLg/ve5Y7zRZeZgYGVV-x7hd_xa2czb1MB-ZQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/deepDiveCartagoOutlier5.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XsP4N6PxjTc/X9fE8XN8xYI/AAAAAAAAFLk/xNibDjzgNqM2f_BB6gf8BlnHq9awJ6XOQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/deepDiveCartagoOutlier6.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Qu7XRykv3gc/X9fE8iaIv1I/AAAAAAAAFLo/NBV7N01WdfIB7U2hFL0MeM0rYiuWQwTqQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1312/deepDiveCartagoOutlier7.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tA5unabNa9E/X9fE8xA4AmI/AAAAAAAAFLs/kv77wX-0EokyrETg6Pu4R-QcknZlEeMTACLcBGAsYHQ/s1318/deepDiveCartagoOutlier8.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-79rNrafcZew/X9fE95geigI/AAAAAAAAFLw/irfAX1_oZ1whdt9vnUKjQWWRZRUK0nz4gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/deepDiveCartagoOutlier9.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RDna7zW0K9E/X9fEyig5QQI/AAAAAAAAFKo/l4J107vu58IRSoLWirBpLZniYOEwqMj9ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/deepDiveCartagoOutlier10.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NhXeg8_XYtY/X9fEy3-vNVI/AAAAAAAAFKs/VlCyFAiY0EQu8ZyDOeLZXvM_2kPc0FTdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1314/deepDiveCartagoOutlier11.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vNS0p-PRUw4/X9fEzt4KUYI/AAAAAAAAFK0/cJ0slVPzePUI-HgHYbSyDwEtiqifg6YfgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/deepDiveCartagoOutlier12.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VgkM5nTvRoE/X9fE020H1sI/AAAAAAAAFK8/U-hTdC_4a-QHXJrvVM6G_o5zhuKUdljPwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1319/deepDiveCartagoOutlier13.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xShhFq2wWdQ/X9fE0Z9LYvI/AAAAAAAAFK4/pwpOd_FZD2Mcr3PbmAWAldzr3fzHscz0gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/deepDiveCartagoOutlier14.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0FnaDmFIoHY/X9fE1fFnpzI/AAAAAAAAFLA/zj96hVeWazAYm7SnPSRH4wSp4IhqH5G8ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/deepDiveCartagoOutlier15.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--ZJZbYZwk5w/X9fE2EDIbpI/AAAAAAAAFLE/zZyA94gBf0Y6mT4iug4UGKfofsz-59lfACLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/deepDiveCartagoOutlier16.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yalb3Bq-seA/X9fE3W4Jo2I/AAAAAAAAFLI/SzVcsr737iMNkv1u9fmOWrGfAQ9gg1zcwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/deepDiveCartagoOutlier17.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T9ZflMXj32I/X9fE3UYSTiI/AAAAAAAAFLM/dQcKW9n6rAkGVtlwCRvqLk7xWGahyyq0gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1314/deepDiveCartagoOutlier18.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BZRKLFzyRGk/X9fE3_VkeWI/AAAAAAAAFLQ/Yu_6fBi3yrEQF3qYn6v1DZd9Lz4yHkdegCLcBGAsYHQ/s1313/deepDiveCartagoOutlier19.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-prrM0rrFTik/X9fEyyZfMGI/AAAAAAAAFKw/lpqep_F8jo4jL9SJACETF1janphjTWGFACLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/deepDiveCartagoOutlier.jpeg

Salento
14-12-20, 22:54
below is from the paper

https://i.postimg.cc/hvFqRhq0/sz1.png

this kndred also appears in the bar chart .............does SZ19 make any sense ?
(https://postimages.org/)

SZ19 in relation to SZ1 makes sense, I think.
(... assuming SZ1 is a Bronze-Age sample)

SZ1 dominates my chroms, he’s my top SNPs / cM sample / Spider Breakdown :thinking:... Tarantato :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/zjj69Og.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/HcOWzlE.jpg


about SZ19:
Distance to: Szolad19
5.49892717 C_Italian
7.82711313 Tuscan
8.36903818 Sicilian
8.73353880 S_Italian_Sicilian
9.46572237 TSI30
10.27952820 Greek
11.34146816 O_Italian
12.19551967 Ashkenazi

torzio
15-12-20, 06:27
SZ19 in relation to SZ1 makes sense, I think.
(... assuming SZ1 is a Bronze-Age sample)

SZ1 dominates my chroms, he’s my top SNPs / cM sample / Spider Breakdown :thinking:... Tarantato :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/zjj69Og.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/HcOWzlE.jpg


about SZ19:
Distance to: Szolad19
5.49892717 C_Italian
7.82711313 Tuscan
8.36903818 Sicilian
8.73353880 S_Italian_Sicilian
9.46572237 TSI30
10.27952820 Greek
11.34146816 O_Italian
12.19551967 Ashkenazi


me and the SZ ones

6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1


7. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.695 - SZ36

4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37

2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28


10. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.06 - SZ43


others are after #20

Salento
15-12-20, 07:14
me and the SZ ones

6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1


7. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.695 - SZ36

4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37

2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28


10. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.06 - SZ43


others are after #20

y T SZ36 is your #7, mine is #8

... though SZ36 is not a T1a2, ... interesting :)

maybe there are old y T ancestral traces on other chromosomes, ... maybe.

Dark Ages top 10:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=616232&viewfull=1#post616232

torzio
15-12-20, 08:18
y T SZ36 is your #7, mine is #8

... though SZ36 is not a T1a2, ... interesting :)

maybe there are old y T ancestral traces on other chromosomes, ... maybe.

Dark Ages top 10:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com?p=616232&viewfull=1#post616232


Can you confirm that R1 ( a female ) that her father was a T ydna and that SZ32 is a later link with R1 via CHr
R1 born in liburnia ( croatia ) died in Picene land Italy


Also , has R33 been renamed as an Illyrian

torzio
15-12-20, 08:21
my top ten




12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users



40. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users



49. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
Top 96 % match vs all users

Early Bronze Age
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/ScandiaBronze.jpg

16. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.54 - MOK17
Top 99 % match vs all users



18. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.67 - MOK10
Top 95 % match vs all users



23. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.47 - MOK26
Top 97 % match vs all users



36. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.0 - MOK29
Top 86 % match vs all users



41. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.39 - I4332
Top 96 % match vs all users



42. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.45 - MOK9
Top 90 % match vs all users



47. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.87 - MOK33
Top 99 % match vs all users



50. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.92 - MOK20
Top 85 % match vs all users



51. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.0 - I4331
Top 94 % match vs all users

torzio
15-12-20, 08:22
Your closest genetic modern populations...
Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)
1. North_Italian (5.281)
2. Kosovar (9.760)
3. Tuscan (10.53)
4. Spanish_Andalucia (11.97)
5. Bosnian (12.05)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (12.44)
7. Bulgarian (12.75)

torzio
15-12-20, 08:25
my father


1. North_Italian (5.158)
2. Spanish_Galicia (9.284)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (10.23)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.24)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.65)
6. Spanish_Murcia (13.89)
7. Tuscan (14.05)


only thing my father and I have similar is the #1 north italian .......after that we seperate .................does it have to do with Mtdna line ?

Salento
15-12-20, 13:56
Can you confirm that R1 ( a female ) that her father was a T ydna and that SZ32 is a later link with R1 via CHr
R1 born in liburnia ( croatia ) died in Picene land Italy

Also , has R33 been renamed as an Illyrian

... totally, but ... I can’t confirm nor deny ... :)

I don’t get all 3 deep dives,

if you do ... investigate ‘continuity / shared SNPs’ on your ‘chrome analysis’ feature.

https://i.imgur.com/R64oJ6A.jpg

Salento
15-12-20, 16:20
Can you confirm that R1 ( a female ) that her father was a T ydna and that SZ32 is a later link with R1 via CHr
R1 born in liburnia ( croatia ) died in Picene land Italy


Also , has R33 been renamed as an Illyrian

... upload ... R1 combined Kit

Chrome Analysis:

R1 relation to SZ32

https://i.imgur.com/JhAmUNG.jpg

R1 ... to mt H12 S. Lake I3404
https://i.imgur.com/Z1cWJpZ.jpg


... some others
https://i.imgur.com/Wfd6nCH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CDSwx33.jpg


R1 y T normal matching samples:
https://i.imgur.com/uxqWOd7.jpg

torzio
15-12-20, 17:30
... totally, but ... I can’t confirm nor deny ... :)

I don’t get all 3 deep dives,

if you do ... investigate ‘continuity / shared SNPs’ on your ‘chrome analysis’ feature.

https://i.imgur.com/R64oJ6A.jpg


If i go only min length of 230 on CHr map
I get only these samples

R33 ......245 shared snps
R1 ........1663 shared
R36 ......281 shared


I think the site needs an overhaul and minimize what we link with

Salento
16-12-20, 01:40
If i go only min length of 230 on CHr map
I get only these samples

R33 ......245 shared snps
R1 ........1663 shared
R36 ......281 shared


I think the site needs an overhaul and minimize what we link with

we should keep in mind, ... the raw-data quality of the majority of the samples is imperfect (not MTA fault) though SZ1 is 100%, and the algorithm tries to match our Perfect kits against many Flawed kits,

... educated guess, ... but still a guess, is filling in the gaps by way of imputation and algorithm tweaks.

... they can easily change the nomenclature of the samples if they want to.

Carlos
16-12-20, 04:32
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLLGucUz9OU/X9luJMy_vUI/AAAAAAAAFMc/ySQJPPqNz-sfFbQR5WHBQwyTalO_jLvcgCLcBGAsYHQ/s920/CartagoOutlierR113.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8jAcxT96V2g/X9lwsMixBMI/AAAAAAAAFMs/KiEThr7NWUs46ZjgQTivLuyQPGz1pLgcQCLcBGAsYHQ/s2500/TimeLineCartago113.jpeg

Iron Age3. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.119 - I8204
8. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.07 - MSR002
14. Greco-Era Empuries
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.45 - I8208
17. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.82 - scy300
19. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.98 - MS10614
29. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.71 - MSR003
31. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.87 - VIL007
33. Western Scythian Outlier Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.29 - DA198
38. Iron Age Phoenician Settler Sardinia
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.78 - I10366
54. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - scy305

Roman Age
1. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.052 - R111
2. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.5 - R120
5. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.99 - R121
18. Imperial Rome Via Paisiello
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.93 - R131
20. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.39 - I3581
22. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.72 - I3982
24. Imperial Rome San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.95 - R122
25. Roman Graveyard Emporion
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.4 - I8338
26. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.61 - R836
27. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.67 - I8475


Dark Ages
9. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.15 - SZ31
32. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.09 - NS3c
46. Central Roman / Mixed
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.3 - SZ19
61. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.09 - I3585
64. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
515 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.31 - I3980
80. Justinian Plague Victim
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.99 - LSD021
83. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.16 - SZ28
89. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.54 - CL36
92. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.59 - SZ37
96. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.65 - SZ43


Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (R113) (White point) versus My Kit (Grey point)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fG3IcJdOP9Y/X9lweRjiSsI/AAAAAAAAFMo/Ba3LjZgT_hYvSUj2Q9zc5EXNOr-avaMPwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/kitcartago113vsmiKIT.JPEG

Salento
16-12-20, 05:34
edit
forget about it, ... too many samples above are mislabeled!

Carlos
16-12-20, 17:31
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLLGucUz9OU/X9luJMy_vUI/AAAAAAAAFMc/ySQJPPqNz-sfFbQR5WHBQwyTalO_jLvcgCLcBGAsYHQ/s920/CartagoOutlierR113.JPEG
Roman + Phoenician (7.366)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (9.506)
Roman + Carthaginian (10.4)
Roman Hispania + Roman (11.05)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (11.11)
Phoenician (12.98)
Roman Hispania (13.39)
Carthaginian (14.87)
Roman (16.3)
Gallo-Roman (18.16)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qaC6W33jvOw/X9oawRC7RoI/AAAAAAAAFNE/9Tpluw5g5RAbO2xfagYx8SiurZ1Z9qj6QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1319/CARTAGOdeepdive1.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WQ8sAS7s5uA/X9oa0lUotWI/AAAAAAAAFNo/1p50eGNmPSYYOo5TwiZBch64JVZby467gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1318/CARTAGOdeepdive2.jpeg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Vdtqagsln0s/X9oa6hqz3DI/AAAAAAAAFOY/R3QpQcJm_8QVm-RXeEPyTy_80-J5svNfgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/CARTAGOdeepdive4.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YZJ-iClMZJE/X9oa7V2CGKI/AAAAAAAAFOc/qVPXKuiv42oM27uu1MoGZ_Oc27eSCtPZgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1319/CARTAGOdeepdive5.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N40So2AUetE/X9oa74OecjI/AAAAAAAAFOg/RVUgCJwo7-kvel_MhlA7BLHWLB4v5BOpQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/CARTAGOdeepdive6.jpeg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XLQnNecbV3w/X9oazWKhyZI/AAAAAAAAFNc/H4LDXJmPI-8aTVtmKVy81tH-JHh0iAJawCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/CARTAGOdeepdive17.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jbTQOcgFYjg/X9oaziZInnI/AAAAAAAAFNg/vrfaapE8QgIw5rGocEivv6wbBEZ1OB2NwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/CARTAGOdeepdive18.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ei01luUY-y8/X9oa0KrtsRI/AAAAAAAAFNk/rTqCWnAGeBw0yzlVNLNLSK7bl3WiLdQFQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/CARTAGOdeepdive19.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qk_lwPVcVCY/X9oa1aj0t8I/AAAAAAAAFNs/LrUKaJ1b1e8-WxlIH2tzX8sW3KCWc6yTACLcBGAsYHQ/s1320/CARTAGOdeepdive20.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GTvPc00VaGk/X9oa1mnZi3I/AAAAAAAAFNw/h-rWr-YqBjAwa15P4kRiM3mfXtShEAn7gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1317/CARTAGOdeepdive21.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uFI8sC6F_Kc/X9oa1w3ImdI/AAAAAAAAFN0/aj-u2mCZnfc3cNCZaYdgDBlbdzEu-RkKQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1318/CARTAGOdeepdive22.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UBZJg885oao/X9oa2-fQxfI/AAAAAAAAFN4/e3uYhYo2RLAwbPtJFcqArIxlOd3DAEsNgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1315/CARTAGOdeepdive23.jpeg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FexP1hXnMps/X9ogDIpO5uI/AAAAAAAAFPQ/uqnNDdAUISkE2lUX_SKzL1R-4T3JfJgMACLcBGAsYHQ/s330/Rosc%25C3%25B3nhpalogrupos113CartagoOutlier.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-okY_lF8cXOg/X9omqX9qVuI/AAAAAAAAFPc/SL3CWnvHlQkpRiaIFjXxhaZ4ajrdzmX2gCLcBGAsYHQ/s571/EyDNAcartagoR113..jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EHEyA7fEI80/X9ophiNeCyI/AAAAAAAAFPo/BqaCjV8ErRkXLn8e8jrEp3l_Hg0K7y4JgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1135/warriorgene.jpeg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lJhJBImz4Xs/X9oq44xk7TI/AAAAAAAAFP8/UOVbGHgp8rYQZaFJOQZuDnuOwX2QX0L3ACLcBGAsYHQ/s445/warriorbluecoloreye.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mmwVqhQo8Hs/X9oq4i9Gz5I/AAAAAAAAFP0/vGBOD5u6LogQoXUS64RvciJNMTXRxhg7ACLcBGAsYHQ/s381/warriorcurlierhair.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rk94Inko4jk/X9orhPX2NYI/AAAAAAAAFQI/cBJfomRYxxguy4nZl70fUYL5_w5We-MJACLcBGAsYHQ/s326/warriorpsoriasis.jpeg

Salento
16-12-20, 18:08
I’ve been wandering about R113 lack of presence on my MTA results, ... now I know why, ... weird!

edit... wondering, not wandering :innocent:

Carlos
16-12-20, 21:58
I’ve been wandering about R113 lack of presence on my MTA results, ... now I know why, ... weird!

Because I have it :grin:

483. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113

Salento
16-12-20, 22:37
Because I have it :grin:

483. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113

Oh no Carlos, ... (R PCA)

I expected it to be Abruzzese slightly Pugliese, or maybe Center Italian or something like that :)

Carlos
17-12-20, 02:57
Oh no Carlos, ... (R PCA)

I expected it to be Abruzzese slightly Pugliese, or maybe Center Italian or something like that :)

We look for what there is and we can corroborate it, but we also find what has been lost

Man I have a 3% with the Italian peninsula a value so I imagine it means an ancient origin and 10% with Sardinia but I see too much haste in mixing the old with the modern

Salento
17-12-20, 04:55
Edit ... delete ... I’m skeptical of some results.

Carlos
17-12-20, 22:02
Medieval La Palma Sardinia (I12221)
Roman Hispania + Thracian (8.125)
Gaul + Thracian (8.971)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (9.324)
Gaul + Roman Hispania (9.543)
Gaul + Roman (9.748)
Illyrian (11.66)
Roman (11.81)
Roman Hispania (12.95)
Thracian (12.98)
Gaul (15.56)


Medieval La Palma Sardinia (I12221)(grey point) vs Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (R113)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-199gaIn7grY/X9u1-QVISKI/AAAAAAAAFQU/v3UpEnZZLfcDmCwPqC7QLKRUJoNfrpvtQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MedievallapalmavsCartagoR113.jpeg

Medieval La Palma Sardinia (I12221) (grey point) vs Kit: Carlos
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I1rQWTOfPEw/X9u2IAZzbhI/AAAAAAAAFQY/LdD39e-f-LUyKPp1IXIXwryLrmhvXDsQgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/MedievalLaPalmavsCarlos.jpeg

Carlos
17-12-20, 22:23
Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia (SNN001)Phoenician + Balari (13.79)
Etruscan + Iolaes (13.91)
Etruscan + Balari (14.08)
Phoenician + Iolaes (14.16)
Carthaginian + Balari (14.68)
Balari (17.71)

Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia (SNN001) (grey point) vs Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (R113)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z1ocz1evS2I/X9u7-pNHpxI/AAAAAAAAFQo/UgP1JoxM9WMJEorPi2AFD3UudjdsDcF4QCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/NicolaSanduomoSN001vsCartagoR113.jpeg

Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia (SNN001) (grey point) vs Kit: Carlos
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4r_o_v_Gsfw/X9u8rvLwXiI/AAAAAAAAFQw/_nSqXvFpjKEcv0PY-w24a9G49FLcxQM8wCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/SanNicolaSNN001vsCarlos.jpeg

Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia (SNN001) (grey point) vs Medieval La Palma Sardinia (I12221)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BVIIco_DzXc/X9u-ADoBO7I/AAAAAAAAFQ8/B8cE9Lb7iUwBTctvvItr5TE2gVNnaMUbACLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/SanNicolaSNN001vsMedievalSardinianR12221.jpeg

Salento
18-12-20, 05:40
below is from the paper

https://i.postimg.cc/hvFqRhq0/sz1.png

this kndred also appears in the bar chart .............does SZ19 make any sense ?
(https://postimages.org/)

SZ1 and SZ19 share SNPs, ...
(make sense, ... on my results too):

https://i.imgur.com/WnCxO6c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KqxvM9w.jpg

Salento
18-12-20, 07:12
... Central Roman SZ32 - Central Roman R125 - Latin Praeneste Tribe R437 - Foggia VK534 - Foggia VK537

https://i.imgur.com/jRFo7m1.jpg

Bogomir
18-12-20, 09:56
HI, to everybody, great discussion here!
I checked with MyThrueAncestry regarding the change from “Bronze Age Szolad Hungary 1000 BC" to "Avar Szolad Hungary 700 AD". They directed me to page "indo-european.eu/2020/10/longobards-from-scandinavia-and-the-ural-altaic-arpad-lineage". There Carlos Quiles referenced a new classification in the Reich Lab dataset "reich.hms.harvard.edu/datasets". I am not able to read those data. Is anybody that can read this and provide information on what basis the classification and age are changed.
Thanks in advance!

p.s: I am not allowed to post links yet.

Carlos
18-12-20, 15:57
Kit: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (I7043) (grey point) compared Kit: Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xLGexNLlWwA/X9yxstBoJcI/AAAAAAAAFRI/N5nuMdbWwAIau7G7musPCkhAMvTHihm_wCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/I7043cooperHungaryvsR121Cartagoerculano.jpeg

Kit: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (I7043) (grey point) comparared Kit: Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (R113)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8On1GL8_sQI/X9yyWwCE0XI/AAAAAAAAFRQ/j7mbrldR9es8FKMU2AVXZyo0Sx1JIwBgwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/I7043cooperHungaryvsR113Cartagooutlier.jpeg

Kit: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (I7043) (grey point) compared Kit Carlos
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GHvaL5pmveY/X9yy-KnJDUI/AAAAAAAAFRY/sprXHRRp0eAVTCLgoildMG2Yu8wG0fzNwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/I7043cooperHungaryvsMyKitCarlos.jpeg

torzio
18-12-20, 18:19
we should keep in mind, ... the raw-data quality of the majority of the samples is imperfect (not MTA fault) though SZ1 is 100%, and the algorithm tries to match our Perfect kits against many Flawed kits,

... educated guess, ... but still a guess, is filling in the gaps by way of imputation and algorithm tweaks.

... they can easily change the nomenclature of the samples if they want to.


I have 1663 shared snaps with R1 sample

what do you have

I would like to "think/hope" her father ( R1 ) was a T1a ydna ................

Salento
18-12-20, 20:56
I have 1663 shared snaps with R1 sample

what do you have

I would like to "think/hope" her father ( R1 ) was a T1a ydna ................

I don’t get a Deep Dive with her anymore, but I get tons of SNPs on GedMatch Q-Matching:
(from 2019)

https://i.imgur.com/4B3u1kt.gifvhttps://i.imgur.com/4B3u1kt.gifvhttps://i.imgur.com/4B3u1kt.gif

Salento
19-12-20, 00:40
yfull dated SZ1 to 1360 ybp, ...is that about 590 AD ???

https://i.imgur.com/8pRnUrh.jpg


https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/

Duarte
19-12-20, 01:49
yfull dated SZ1 to 1360 ybp, ...is that about 590 AD ???

https://i.imgur.com/8pRnUrh.jpg


https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/

Mysteries. The trunk of the yDNA R-Z2123 tree (upstream) has branches (downstream) in hungary, Russia, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Tajikistan , in China. Would SZ1 then be a medieval Avar, as the MTA claims and not an individual from the Bronze Age in Europe, as the study says?

Salento
19-12-20, 02:56
Mysteries. The trunk of the yDNA R-Z2123 tree (upstream) has branches (downstream) in hungary, Russia, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Tajikistan , in China. Would SZ1 then be a medieval Avar, as the MTA claims and not an individual from the Bronze Age in Europe, as the study says?

Now we have more than one source indicating that SZ1 is not a Bronze Age sample,

... they must know something NEW that we don’t know :)

yfull dated the y RZ2123 line much earlier than the date assigned to SZ1, and that is his final clade (no subgroups for him), ... so that’s not the reason, I think.

Duarte
19-12-20, 03:11
Now we have more than one source indicating that SZ1 is not a Bronze Age sample,

... they must know something NEW that we don’t know :)

yfull dated the y RZ2123 line much earlier than the date assigned to SZ1, and that is his final clade (no subgroups for him), ... so that’s not the reason, I think.

Has radiocarbon dating of SZ1 been done? Well, YFull is recognized as an excellent reference in dating the yDNA clades and subclades. “I'm going to ask the university students.” That's how we talk by here when we don't know how to answer a question, lol :)

Salento
19-12-20, 03:30
@Duarte

... we should use our year of birth as year ZERO instead of ybp,
... ybd (years before Duarte) :laughing:

Duarte
19-12-20, 03:36
@Duarte

... we should use our year of birth as year ZERO instead of ybp,
... ybd (years before Duarte) :laughing:

lmao :laughing:

Jovialis
19-12-20, 03:54
I just e-mailed the author of the paper, Carlos Eduardo G. Amorim, to verify if there was indeed a change to the SZ1 or not.

Salento
19-12-20, 05:17
Thanks Jovialis :)

Salento
19-12-20, 07:00
SZs deep dive

... ancient relatives:

https://i.imgur.com/PRTRP1N.jpg

Bogomir
19-12-20, 10:37
I just e-mailed the author of the paper, Carlos Eduardo G. Amorim, to verify if there was indeed a change to the SZ1 or not.

Many thanks!

Bogomir
19-12-20, 10:41
SZ1 has no Noth European ancestry(?)

I entered SZ1 as a kit and found these relations:



1. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.846 - SZ36

2. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.78 - SZ43

3. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.373 - CL36 ?

4. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.17 - R1

5. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.64 - NS3b

6. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.74 - R60

7. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.93 - I3404

8. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.33 - R107

9. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.33 - SZ32 ?

10. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.37 - SZ37
I12649
11. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.41 - BSS31

12. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.54 - I6491

13. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.9 - R970

14. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.96 - SZ28 ?

15. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.1 - NS3c

16. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - OBS137 ?

17. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.41 - R1290

18. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.45 - I12031

19. Central Roman
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.53 - CL121

20. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.55 -



Deep Dive Breakdown:


Protovillanovia Martinsicuro 930 BC R1

Genetic Distance to SZ1: 10.17
mtDNA: U5a2b
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 94)
11 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 242.74 cM
Largest chain: 627 SNPs / 72.86 cM

2. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance 1650 AD R969
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.07
mtDNA: U5bY-DNA: J2a1a1a2b2 (M67/PF5137/S51)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 83)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 74.79 cM
Largest chain: 576 SNPs / 47.7 cM

3. Oetzi 3300 BC Oetzi
Genetic Distance to SZ1: > 27
mtDNA: K1Y-DNA: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 77)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 70.27 cM
Largest chain: 411 SNPs / 46.01 cM

4. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy 1150 AD VK534
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.09
mtDNA: H1Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2 (A433)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 59)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 61.73 cM
Largest chain: 196 SNPs / 34.21 cM

5. Central Roman San Ercolano 100 AD R117
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.5
mtDNA: T2bY-DNA: J2a (CTS1328/PF4951/Z2134)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 54)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 56.45 cM
Largest chain: 390 SNPs / 32.89 cM

6. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy 1240 AD VK535Genetic Distance to SZ1: 14.36
mtDNA: T1a5Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1b3a (CTS1843/Z2109)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 62)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 55.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 28.51 cM

7. Imperial Rome Centocelle 200 AD R51
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 17.43
mtDNA: U3b1
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 54)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 52.7 cM
Largest chain: 232 SNPs / 32.26 cM

8. Relic French King Louis XVI 1793 AD LXVI
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.39
mtDNA: N1bY-DNA: G2a (P15/PF3112)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 69)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 39.42 cM
Largest chain: 205 SNPs / 11.74 cM

9. Tuscan Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy 1355 AD R54
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.69
mtDNA: H4a1Y-DNA: J2b2 (CTS2622/Z1827)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 49)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 37.82 cM
Largest chain: 276 SNPs / 22.67 cM

10. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy 905 AD R60
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 10.74
mtDNA: T2c1
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 77)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 33.28 cM
Largest chain: 121 SNPs / 33.28 cM

11. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi 500 AD R109
Genetic Distance to SZ1: > 27?
mtDNA: H1ba
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 33)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 31.25 cM
Largest chain: 148 SNPs / 19.96 cM

12. Imperial Rome Centocelle 282 AD R47
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 17.43
mtDNA: J1c1cY-DNA: G2a2b1 (M406/PF3285)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 60)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 25.76 cM
Largest chain: 302 SNPs / 9.75 cM

13. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi 500 AD R107
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 12.33
mtDNA: T2hY-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 69)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 24.24 cM
Largest chain: 187 SNPs / 12.27 cM

14. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona 165 AD R835
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 14.26
mtDNA: H2a5Y-DNA: J1a2b (CTS1141)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 37)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 23.3 cM
Largest chain: 201 SNPs / 7.43 cM

15. Hellenic Roman Marcellino 400 AD R136
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.24
mtDNA: T2d2Y-DNA: J2a1a1b2a1b1 (L70/PF5434/S287)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 76)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 21.91 cM
Largest chain: 274 SNPs / 11.07 cM

16. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica 1350 AD R1290
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 13.41
mtDNA: H1c3a
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 57)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 21.46 cM
Largest chain: 398 SNPs / 10.42 cM

17. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital 500 AD R35
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 16.51
mtDNA: H32
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.81 cM
Largest chain: 127 SNPs / 6.9 cM

18. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK10
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.79
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 47)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.3 cM
Largest chain: 400 SNPs / 11.96 cM

19. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto 500 AD R32
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 16.62
mtDNA: H2a1Y-DNA: I2a2a1 (FGC18124/Y5334)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 42)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 15.99 cM
Largest chain: 160 SNPs / 8.71 cM

20. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK26
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 15.14
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 53)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 15.08 cM
Largest chain: 129 SNPs / 8.63 cM
21. Hellenic Roman Monterotondo 165 AD R1548
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 17.23
mtDNA: H2aY-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2b1 (F2997)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 50)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 14.47 cM
Largest chain: 234 SNPs / 8.09 cM

22. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary 2350 BC I7043
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 14.83
mtDNA: UncertainY-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1 (P310/PF6546/S129)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 41)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 12.36 cM
Largest chain: 147 SNPs / 6.22 cM

23. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave 580 AD CL94
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 6.41
mtDNA: K1c1Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2f (DF99/S11987)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 19)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 10.98 cM
Largest chain: 263 SNPs / 4.0 cM

24. Central Roman 630 AD CL36
Genetic Distance to SZ1: 9.373
mtDNA: X2b ?
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 15)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 10.21 cM
Largest chain: 189 SNPs / 4.5 cM

Cescut
19-12-20, 15:36
Curiously SZ1 is my top match by genetic closeness (11.8 genetic distance and 96.0% Vs other users),total snp(2252.0) and longest snp. Although since I'm an euro-mix it isn't a relevant information to understand the sample.

torzio
19-12-20, 17:10
many are still saying that SZ1 is bronze age

here is its markings

SZ1:
mtDNA: J1b
Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a(Z2123)


Some say because its R1a , then it cannot be bronze-age in the northern balkans .............

Carlos
19-12-20, 17:12
So much to hear about the SZ that I say I'm going to see what it's all about if the King of Rome is going to come out here. I have marked in red the ones that are also in the outlier section

My results:

73. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.94 - SZ28
188. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.02 - SZ45
209. Medieval Tyrolian
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.45 - SZ18
246. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.42 - SZ37
278. Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.22 - SZ27
334. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.87 - SZ32
363. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - SZ23
397. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43
405. Frankish / Hungary
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.46 - SZ38
453. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1
462. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36
485. Germanic Lombard Szolad
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.91 - SZ3
494. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j99WicwfdwA/XsjZAYm-iLI/AAAAAAAAD14/cCjnmxrNsRI-5d8AMHBdpLYz58IVi9dawCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Gallo-RomanSZ28.jpg

Salento
19-12-20, 17:48
SZs SNPs

SZ1 46xx (... top that) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/WKvkqXs.gif

https://i.imgur.com/nAkjGy6.gif

https://i.imgur.com/VhDB5tC.gif

https://i.imgur.com/h1O0Zju.gif

https://i.imgur.com/zii29we.gif


... bonus: Otzi :)
https://i.imgur.com/JNseLCz.gif

:thinking: ... with Ancient samples, SNPs number and cMs don’t determine Genetic Distance at all!

Duarte
19-12-20, 17:53
These are my samples in Szólád and Collegno, as far as I can see at the current level of MTA.

2. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.629 - CL94
41. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.34 - SZ28
87. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - CL47b
91. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.49 - CL57
98. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.82 - CL23
160. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.93 - CL36
173. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 17.24 - CL47

https://i.imgur.com/MrN0IJp.jpg

Duarte
19-12-20, 18:48
These are my samples in Szólád and Collegno, as far as I can see at the current level of MTA.

2. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.629 - CL94
41. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.34 - SZ28
87. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - CL47b
91. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.49 - CL57
98. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.82 - CL23
160. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.93 - CL36
173. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 17.24 - CL47

https://i.imgur.com/MrN0IJp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/2xPlu4o.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/H6JNFjQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U9KLegE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TJ5EdO4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P7I5zUt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8zMjJIe.jpg

Carlos
19-12-20, 18:58
My Cl of these I do not have any of these samples in the outlier section

4. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.106 - CL94
20. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.31 - CL23
55. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.4 - CL47b
57. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.45 - CL57
204. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.38 - CL47
230. Frankish Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.81 - CL49
237. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.94 - CL63
300. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.91 - CL36
302. Swiss Germanic
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.97 - CL102
326. Medieval Tyrolian
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.72 - CL53


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PlGGDN7_RjA/XsjY9etDg1I/AAAAAAAAD1k/cQdaylI4DvUUzmZ5GlhEDSC5vxNryg8bwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Frankish-GaulLombardyItalyCL47b.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NE2Kzc0l45M/XsjZBlTfVlI/AAAAAAAAD2A/0U9w0_x0OvML_25b7H_wHTQyRuqD8bBNQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GalloRomanLombardGraveCL94.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UXKvXv1IDlY/XsjZUFOL68I/AAAAAAAAD34/XqQdwc4enyoitQhcdzsv9tV47451RF5QwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MedievalIberianCL23.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B948oE-MHco/XsjZU6KtPbI/AAAAAAAAD38/FAw53Ruoz_IUppxZYoLo9vc6ZvVFiJnwACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/MedievalPiedmontCL57.jpg

Bogomir
19-12-20, 22:21
Studying the SZ1 sample I encounter some challenges:

1. If I am not wrong: The older the known ancestor would be, more fragmented pieces would be spread in the living population. In the case of SZ1 in a lot of people (including mine) we have large chunks of DNA all together in the range from 150 to 300 cM. This is a level that is normal for compering living 2nd cousins not one or three millennia old ones. How does it come?
2. In SZ1 we see that the genetic distance to the ancient samples is rather negatively correlated or not correlated with “Deep dive” results. What does it mean? Is this result from a different ancient population male and female match? Is “genetic distance” less important than “Deep dive”, because it is calculated from estimated sex chromosomes only?
MTA: “The Haplogroup Analytics feature aggregates the known haplogroups of all your ancient matching samples. This provides an estimation of your ancient family tree male and female lines - in this case all matching males will offer a Y-DNA haplogroup. The collective results are displayed and very often display one's own known haplogroups.”
3. SZ1 has no genetic relation to Langobards. Why is “kindred population” in Szolad marked with SZ1?

Duarte
19-12-20, 23:16
For those who have interest in analyzing, see the link to paper (PDF format) and it’s attached figures:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/02/20/268250.full.pdf

https://i.imgur.com/0uVbpjt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tmqW2bV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uavEeOX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/59lDIcu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Kq0rwHj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/O9JhtY8.jpg

Bogomir
19-12-20, 23:50
[For those who have interest in analyzing, see the link to paper (PDF format) and it’s attached figures:

biorxiv.org/content/bior...68250.full.pdf ]


Sorry Duarte. I know this paper, but it is not providing answers to my questions. Maybe this is not the right place to discuss them.
Anyway, thanks for the answer.

Jovialis
20-12-20, 06:14
Here is the author's response to me. I linked the thread to him:


I had a quick look at the conversation. I’m not sure when/why sz1 was changed to Avar by these references. But as far as I know it’s Bronze Age. As I said, the PCA doesn’t group SZ1 with the 2 Avars, so I don’t think there’s any evidence to consider sz1 avar. But it’s best to check with the archeologists to make sure. Good luck!
Best,
Eduardo

The next step to resolving this will be to contact the archeologist that worked on the paper. Though I am confident SZ1 is indeed a Bronze Age Hungarian.

Salento
20-12-20, 06:16
... Favorite Ancient Relative:

R850 - Latin Tribe Ardea - 650 BC ”Before Carlos” - 2620 ybd “years before Duarte” (1970 = 0) :grin:

... he's criticized for not genetically conforming to many people’s expectations, and he’s a y T :)

I’m closer to R437 and other Rs (Romans), but ...

https://i.imgur.com/M12F5Qu.jpg

Salento
20-12-20, 06:30
Here is the author's response to me. I linked the thread to him:


I had a quick look at the conversation. I’m not sure when/why sz1 was changed to Avar by these references. But as far as I know it’s Bronze Age. As I said, the PCA doesn’t group SZ1 with the 2 Avars, so I don’t think there’s any evidence to consider sz1 avar. But it’s best to check with the archeologists to make sure. Good luck!
Best,
Eduardo

The next step to resolving this will be to contact the archeologist that worked on the paper. Though I am confident SZ1 is indeed a Bronze Age Hungarian.

The best thing to do was to go straight to the source ... , Thanks again Jovialis :)

... and many thanks to Eduardo too.

https://i.imgur.com/BGhfoZ0.jpg

Bogomir
20-12-20, 09:00
Jovalis,

Thanks a lot.

Kind regards to all.

Bogomir
20-12-20, 12:32
[... with Ancient samples, SNPs number and cMs don’t determine Genetic Distance at all!]

Dear Salento,

You have haplogroup T and mine is L. One of my ancestors (L) most probably(?) arrived from Syria around 30 AD as an archer in the Roman auxiliary unit transferred to Upper Germania province on left bank river Rahin – now Alsace. So, our genetic distance should be enormous!
But why should the Y group be so meaningful? In 11 generations in the past we had 1024 different grandfathers and 1024 different grandmothers. It takes us 400 years in the past only. Why is only one grandfather of thousands so important to show our distance?
Here below I compared yours and mine relation to SZ1. It seems that we have some things in common.
Please check if you have in MTA “Chroma Analysis” the same ancient relatives. Thanks in advance.

Carlos
20-12-20, 13:31
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rG44up2yUYk/XsjY8UxeRPI/AAAAAAAAD1c/19XE1xA98E0L6MOsWixokGzfVWqQK8GRgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/EtruscanCivitavecchiaR473.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cZVyHS2e3RA/XsjY8_o99wI/AAAAAAAAD1g/Z4pnQwvDQtoZQyQWUq1tZhDn4CgKEIDuACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/EtruscanCivitavecchiaR474.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YsapowWQ1fo/XsjZLcjAkwI/AAAAAAAAD3E/x1R1to_nbZQktJttFMhwjA6sZ4gH5jVRQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Image%2BLatinPrenestiniTribeInlandPCr435.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jhmrXtz6d_A/XsjZMq57bJI/AAAAAAAAD3M/iAtwc-ktw04KKbsjfLUOOWTl8Gasfo75wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/ItalyBellBeakerI2478.jpg
I don't know if it has anything to do with it, but I put it in just in case, anything to add up.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SjZXeoFXT5A/XsjZSpp6DbI/AAAAAAAAD3w/DsdQgJQxVpsFb68sllKN8s-8rmFHogbFQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/LatinTribeInlandBER1021.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nr8OqKOd7w0/XsjZqZRfocI/AAAAAAAAD6U/Cfp7G7x7YSsJnbdMTB-73r9d4aUPNpGbgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/VillanovanEtruscanItalyVGGr1015.jpeg
I remember that I got tons of match as with the Alps and the so-called Catalan iron.

Salento
20-12-20, 16:18
[... with Ancient samples, SNPs number and cMs don’t determine Genetic Distance at all!]

Dear Salento,

You have haplogroup T and mine is L. One of my ancestors (L) most probably(?) arrived from Syria around 30 AD as an archer in the Roman auxiliary unit transferred to Upper Germania province on left bank river Rahin – now Alsace. So, our genetic distance should be enormous!
But why should the Y group be so meaningful? In 11 generations in the past we had 1024 different grandfathers and 1024 different grandmothers. It takes us 400 years in the past only. Why is only one grandfather of thousands so important to show our distance?
Here below I compared yours and mine relation to SZ1. It seems that we have some things in common.
Please check if you have in MTA “Chroma Analysis” the same ancient relatives. Thanks in advance.

@Bogomir
... though we share similarities on SZ1 chrome position, we get different samples.

... y L and T are brothers, ... Haplogroups make us immortals ... :) ... a Genetic Tattoo, ... the symbol of our original Ancestral Tribe.

... assuming that SZ1 is from the Bronze Age, it has the base DNA ingredients and therefore the ancestry for many Europeans. For example, you can have an Italian and a Slav ancient sample, each carrying a piece from SZ1. Each ethnicity carries many proportional pieces and this is one of them.

Chr. 8 :
https://i.imgur.com/ycUrFZf.jpg


chr. 20.1:
https://i.imgur.com/dlkWEMi.jpg


chr. 20.2 :
https://i.imgur.com/wYf4BDe.jpg

kingjohn
20-12-20, 17:05
they use eurogenes k15
i wonder how much they paid to davidski
as this is his calculator ....:thinking:

torzio
20-12-20, 18:04
they use eurogenes k15
i wonder how much they paid to davidski
as this is his calculator ....:thinking:

he states he stopped the eurogenes K etc database more than 2 years ago and it is irrelevant now

Bogomir
20-12-20, 18:27
[... assuming that SZ1 is from the Bronze Age, it has the base DNA ingredients and therefore the ancestry for many Europeans.]

Salento,
Right, but let me think. Every such sample has population areas where his genes are diluted in greater abundance than in the others. We may say that modern people with higher content of these gene fragments have higher ancestry from peoples that are represented by that sample. Since there are no other “brother” samples of SZ1 (1000BC), does it mean that part of Romans or Slavs that have this “abundancy” of genes are a great part descendant of the single population represented by the sample SZ1.
I would appreciate your comment.

Bogomir
20-12-20, 18:51
In #3308 I compared the same parts of chromosomes in the sample SZ1 for Salento and me. I expected to find a match for some of our ancient ancestors, but this is not the case. Can somebody explain what could be the reason?
Thanks in advance.

Salento
20-12-20, 19:52
[... assuming that SZ1 is from the Bronze Age, it has the base DNA ingredients and therefore the ancestry for many Europeans.]

Salento,
Right, but let me think. Every such sample has population areas where his genes are diluted in greater abundance than in the others. We may say that modern people with higher content of these gene fragments have higher ancestry from peoples that are represented by that sample. Since there are no other “brother” samples of SZ1 (1000BC), does it mean that part of Romans or Slavs that have this “abundancy” of genes are a great part descendant of the single population represented by the sample SZ1.
I would appreciate your comment.

I’m not sure, but in our case it’s more probable a more Iapygian (Illyrian) than Roman connection, I’m from Puglia.

... I also said: ... “For example, you can have an Italian and a Slav ancient sample, each carrying a piece from SZ1. Each ethnicity carries many proportional pieces and this is one of them.”

imho we carry a variety of very ancient ancestries, many overlapping among modern ethnicities.

It is the inherited proportion and the lack, presence, or overlapping of certain ancestries the defines our closer ethnicity, ... we could also have some of the ancestry traces of older dead civilizations masking as overlapping.

... speculating: some Iapygian / Messapians (Illyrian) ancestry traces and some overlapping with other places:

https://i.imgur.com/VcriJm2.jpg

Salento
20-12-20, 21:17
In #3308 I compared the same parts of chromosomes in the sample SZ1 for Salento and me. I expected to find a match for some of our ancient ancestors, but this is not the case. Can somebody explain what could be the reason?
Thanks in advance.

very simple theory:

we overlap with SZ1 “original” ancestry only.

... a big chunk of SZ1 ancient tribe migrated South, and another went East,
they mixed with those populations, ...

I share one of those mix, and you share the other mix.

Bogomir
20-12-20, 21:47
very simple theory:

we overlap with SZ1 “original” ancestry only.

... a big chunk of SZ1 ancient tribe migrated South, and another went East,
they mixed with those populations, ...

I share one of those mix, and you share the other mix.

Yes, I agree again. There is also the possibility that part of the population rested in place and was later mixed with incomers. But if I understand well, you agree that we both have a considerable amount of the same main population source from 3000 years ago.


Regarding the question in #3308 post: I asked how is it possible that MTA offers for the same chromosome addresses in the same sample two different ancient ancestries.

Salento
20-12-20, 22:27
... that’s actually our chromosome similarity too,

... I’m wondering if there’s a vey old family secret and we are distantly related :petrified:

Bogomir
20-12-20, 22:41
... that’s actually our chromosome similarity too,

... I’m wondering if there’s a vey old family secret and we are distantly related :petrified:

Are you on FT DNA ?

Salento
20-12-20, 22:45
no, just an upload for y chr stuff.

Salento
20-12-20, 22:58
my results with DNA test:

https://i.imgur.com/ovOVKaU.jpg

Bogomir
20-12-20, 23:57
12478
My origins on FT DNA.

Salento
21-12-20, 02:23
12478
My origins on FT DNA.

we can’t see it, ... “invalid attachment” issue.

Salento
21-12-20, 02:57
Latins R850 and R437 ‘chrome analysis’ show multiple connections,

meaning greater chance of shared ancestry with themselves and me:

(... use the image below to match them with the 1st and 3rd image on post #3310)

https://i.imgur.com/NCV7NSV.jpg

torzio
21-12-20, 06:15
I have 1663 shared snaps with R1 sample

what do you have

I would like to "think/hope" her father ( R1 ) was a T1a ydna ................


A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Abruzzo coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign (i.e. not exclusively Anatolia_N ± WHG) ancestry:

Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.


The sample clusters close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Abruzzo, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian (or Illyrian proper (https://indo-european.info/indo-european-uralic/4_15_Illyrian-.htm)) onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
NOTE. Based on feminine endings in -ona in the few available anthroponyms, Liburnian may have shared similarities with personal names of the Noricum province, which doesn’t seem to be related to the more recent (Celtic- or Germanic-related?) Noric language. Noric is not Nordic ............Noric refers to Noricum ( East-Austrian Illyrian tribes ) once they merged with Celts from Halstatt it became known as Norici


other reading
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306134397_Buried_far_away_Easterners_in_Roman_Libu rnia

https://www.academia.edu/33029236/_Liburni_gens_Asiatica_Anatomy_of_Classical_Stereo type

torzio
21-12-20, 06:19
Liburnia: Who Were They and How Did They Live?.


a 2020 article....not that great but has some info

https://academicworks.cuny.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4818&context=gc_etds

torzio
21-12-20, 06:23
[... with Ancient samples, SNPs number and cMs don’t determine Genetic Distance at all!]

Dear Salento,

You have haplogroup T and mine is L. One of my ancestors (L) most probably(?) arrived from Syria around 30 AD as an archer in the Roman auxiliary unit transferred to Upper Germania province on left bank river Rahin – now Alsace. So, our genetic distance should be enormous!
But why should the Y group be so meaningful? In 11 generations in the past we had 1024 different grandfathers and 1024 different grandmothers. It takes us 400 years in the past only. Why is only one grandfather of thousands so important to show our distance?
Here below I compared yours and mine relation to SZ1. It seems that we have some things in common.
Please check if you have in MTA “Chroma Analysis” the same ancient relatives. Thanks in advance.


There have been found Ydna L in Krk island croatia as well as about 3% in the Tyrol

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Bogomir
21-12-20, 12:40
My origins in MT DNA. Obviously there is a problem with luck of data.12479

Bogomir
21-12-20, 13:19
There have been found Ydna L in Krk island croatia as well as about 3% in the Tyrol

Yes, L is present in small percentages in central Europe. There are several sources for this spread.
- Commercial traffic routes
- Settling of veterans of Roman military units.
- Migration of Alans, Sarmatians and Scythians.
- and ?

Bogomir
21-12-20, 18:39
These are my results from MTA Deep dive ordered regarding cM value:

Avar Szolad Hungary 1000 BC? SZ1Genetic Distance: 20.06
mtDNA: J1b Y-DNA: R1a1a1b2a2a (Z2125)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 100)
14 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 187.57 cM
Largest chain: 467 SNPs / 23.29 cM

Kievan Rus 1130 AD Sunghir6Genetic Distance: 14.6
mtDNA: W3a1 Y-DNA: I2a1b2 (FGC29562/Y10705)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 77)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 39.96 cM
Largest chain: 203 SNPs / 13.76 cM

Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany 2273 BC UNTA85_1343Genetic Distance: 18.63
mtDNA: J1c2 Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2 (A433)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 36)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 21.28 cM
Largest chain: 149 SNPs / 11.94 cM
Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy 1813 BC I4888Genetic Distance: 19.01
mtDNA: K1a2c Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1 (L199.3/L443.3/L675.3/PF5371.3)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 43)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 20.88 cM
Largest chain: 228 SNPs / 10.55 cM
Izjaslav Ingvarevych Prince of Dorogobuzh Rurik Dynasty 1223 AD VK541Genetic Distance: 14.75
mtDNA: H7 Y-DNA: R1a1a1b1a1a1c1 (AMM269/S4546/Z2938)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 83)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 19.89 cM
Largest chain: 181 SNPs / 12.37 cM
Early Slav-Mix Avar 590 AD AV1Genetic Distance: 12.97
mtDNA: X2m'n Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1 (BY15381)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 36)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 19.79 cM
Largest chain: 193 SNPs / 8.57 cM
Bronze Age Czech Velke Prilepy 2100 BC I5035Genetic Distance: 19.01
mtDNA: T2b
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 35)
3 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.37 cM
Largest chain: 116 SNPs / 7.96 cM
Scythian Ukraine 600 BC scy009Genetic Distance: 14.04
mtDNA: J2b1a6 Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2 (BY15590)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 13.37 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 8.23 cM
Copper Age Bell Beaker Brandysek Czech 2350 BC I7249Genetic Distance: 20.43
mtDNA: Uncertain Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1 (L199.3/L443.3/L675.3/PF5371.3)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 12.79 cM
Largest chain: 126 SNPs / 8.03 cM
Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark 950 AD VK274Genetic Distance: 13.85
mtDNA: T2b+152 Y-DNA: R1a1a1b1a2b3a (FGC4501/V2834/Y2194)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 73)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 10.0 cM
Largest chain: 101 SNPs / 10.0 cM

Bronze Age Vatya Hungary 1750 BC Rise479Genetic Distance: 16.12
mtDNA: T2b Y-DNA: I2a1b1a1b1b (Y4914)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 51)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 8.95 cM
Largest chain: 136 SNPs / 8.95 cM
Medieval Piedmont 580 AD CL57Genetic Distance: 20.04
mtDNA: H24a Y-DNA: R1b1a2a1a (CTS5330)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 8.76 cM
Largest chain: 134 SNPs / 4.89 cM


Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy 580 AD CL47b
Genetic Distance: 24.65
mtDNA: --
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 39)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 8.07 cM
Largest chain: 170 SNPs / 4.87 cM


Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK29
Genetic Distance: 18.97
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 67)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.06 cM
Largest chain: 175 SNPs / 7.06 cM

Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy 1813 BC I4885Genetic Distance: 19.98
mtDNA: U5a1 Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b1 (L199.3/L443.3/L675.3/PF5371.3)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 40)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 6.81 cM
Largest chain: 102 SNPs / 6.81 cM

Viking Age Staraya Ladoga 1000 AD VK21Genetic Distance: 17.45
mtDNA: H5a1
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 14)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.95 cM
Largest chain: 108 SNPs / 3.96 cM

Viking Age Gnezdovo Russia 950 AD VK272Genetic Distance: 17.55
mtDNA: K1b2b
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 15)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.92 cM
Largest chain: 117 SNPs / 5.92 cM

Elite Viking Grave Cedynia 1010 AD VK212Genetic Distance: 18.52
mtDNA: H1+152 Y-DNA: R1a1a1b (CTS5508/Z649)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 24)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.52 cM
Largest chain: 108 SNPs / 3.39 cM

Thuringii Tribe 420 AD AED_1108Genetic Distance: 17.66
mtDNA: U4
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 12)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 5.02 cM
Largest chain: 105 SNPs / 5.02 cM

Halstatt 775 BC DA112Genetic Distance: 15.65
mtDNA: HV0+195
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 31)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 4.64 cM
Largest chain: 113 SNPs / 4.64 cM

Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK23Genetic Distance: 12.87
mtDNA: --
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 45)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 4.56 cM
Largest chain: 117 SNPs / 4.56 cM

North Central Lombard 580 AD CL63Genetic Distance: 17.3
mtDNA: H Y-DNA: I1a3 (S243/Z63)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 19)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 3.89 cM
Largest chain: 101 SNPs / 3.89 cM

Celtic Briton Gladiator York 250 AD 6DRIF-22Genetic Distance: 18.8
mtDNA: H Y-DNA: R1b1a1b1a1a2b (L343)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 24)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.93 cM
Largest chain: 158 SNPs / 2.93 cM

Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia 1950 BC MOK21Genetic Distance: 16.35
mtDNA: --
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 27)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.53 cM
Largest chain: 123 SNPs / 2.53 cM

Medieval Tyrolian 580 AD CL53Genetic Distance: 18.12
mtDNA: H1c4 Y-DNA: R1b1a2a (V1274)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 14)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.5 cM
Largest chain: 118 SNPs / 2.5 cM

Iron Age Boii Tribe Singen am Hohentwiel 597 BC MX265Genetic Distance: 18.27
mtDNA: H1c Y-DNA: R1a (CTS903/M610/PF6154)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 20)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 2.24 cM
Largest chain: 121 SNPs / 2.24 cM

Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland 2660 BC MX190Genetic Distance: 20.13
mtDNA: U2e2a1d Y-DNA: I2a1a2 (AM01255/FGC7069/S2644/YP202)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 23)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 1.98 cM
Largest chain: 104 SNPs / 1.98 cM

Frankish / Hungary 590 AD SZ38Genetic Distance: 20.96
mtDNA: HV0 ?
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 16)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 1.71 cM
Largest chain: 130 SNPs / 1.71 cM

Scythian Ukraine 600 BC scy010Genetic Distance: 9.606
mtDNA: N1b1a
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 15)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 1.38 cM
Largest chain: 107 SNPs / 1.38 cM

Salento
22-12-20, 03:16
A Proto-Villanovan female from Martinsicuro in the Abruzzo coast (ca. 890 BC), of mtDNA hg. U5a2b, is the earliest mainland sample available showing foreign (i.e. not exclusively Anatolia_N ± WHG) ancestry:

Martinsicuro is a coastal site located on the border of Le Marche and Abruzzo on central Italy’s Adriatic coast. It is a proto-Villanovan village, situated on a hill above the Tronto river, dating to the late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age (…) finds from the site indicate an affinity with contemporaries in the Balkans, suggesting direct trade contacts and interaction across the Adriatic. In particular, the practice of decorating ceramics with bronze elements was shared between the Nin region in Croatia and Picene region of Italy, including Martinsicuro.


The sample clusters close to the Early Iron Age sample from Jazinka (ca. 780 BC), from the central Dalmatian onomastic region, on the east Adriatic coast opposite to Abruzzo, possibly related to the south-east Dalmatian (or Illyrian proper (https://indo-european.info/indo-european-uralic/4_15_Illyrian-.htm)) onomastic region to the south. However, there is no clear boundary between hydrotoponymic regions for the Bronze Age, and it is quite close to the (possibly Venetic-related) Liburnian onomastic region to the north, so the accounts of Martinsicuro belonging to the Liburni in proto-historical times can probably be extrapolated to the Final Bronze Age.
NOTE. Based on feminine endings in -ona in the few available anthroponyms, Liburnian may have shared similarities with personal names of the Noricum province, which doesn’t seem to be related to the more recent (Celtic- or Germanic-related?) Noric language. Noric is not Nordic ............Noric refers to Noricum ( East-Austrian Illyrian tribes ) once they merged with Celts from Halstatt it became known as Norici


other reading
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306134397_Buried_far_away_Easterners_in_Roman_Libu rnia

https://www.academia.edu/33029236/_Liburni_gens_Asiatica_Anatomy_of_Classical_Stereo type



... our T1a2 line could have been there too, ... see the map below:

https://i.imgur.com/6atbdHf.jpg

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

... check “Zoom to Europe” and uncheck “Smooth Path”
... check “Show” to play migration.


https://i.imgur.com/maTpkCq.gif

Jovialis
22-12-20, 04:16
When I search for R-1794, I get the map for R-M269. R-1794 is a small and rare sub-clade of R1b. 23andme just gives me R-M269.

Salento
22-12-20, 04:40
about ... first cousins or close relatives R53 and R54,
I don’t see R53 on my MTA results,
...on my chr. 8, R54 shares the exact number of SNPs with R835 and R49.

...with my coordinates on Source, R54 Dodecad K13 results show that in all of my kits, by distance I’m his #2 top match, R53 is way down.

... speculating: ... maybe one of R53 parents had a slightly different ancestry than R54’s parents, or ... R54’s parents must have been similar to my parents, or ... R54 sample quality is 49%, maybe there’s a problem in using my “perfect” raw-data against a “not so perfect” sample quality, ...


https://i.imgur.com/64pJ2nJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/APSdgPQ.jpg

... full image: post #3310

Salento
22-12-20, 05:16
When I search for R-1794, I get the map for R-M269. R-1794 is a small and rare sub-clade of R1b. 23andme just gives me R-M269.

NatGeo assigned me T-CTS8862 right away, my older 23andme gave me a distant clade at first, but now it matches NatGeo.

I did test for more downstreams, mostly with Yseq, got 3 extra markers,

... as of now my ‘final’ is T-SK1480 (same as Torzio).

torzio
22-12-20, 06:03
... our T1a2 line could have been there too, ... see the map below:

https://i.imgur.com/6atbdHf.jpg

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

... check “Zoom to Europe” and uncheck “Smooth Path”
... check “Show” to play migration.


https://i.imgur.com/maTpkCq.gif


I think we come via ancient Dalamatia or Liburnian people ......only logical scenario I can see ATM

At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) as part of the Roman region of Picenum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picenum), and attributed to the Liburni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburni) tribe.
Truentum is next to Martiniscuro where sample R1 was found

http://www.scuolablu.it/martinsicuro.htm

https://placeandsee.com/martinsicuro

Martinsicuro, posto alla foce del Tronto, beneficia di un clima particolarmente dolce e ha rappresentato fin dall'antichità un ottimo habitat per l'uomo.
I Liburni, provenienti dalla Dalmazia nel V-VI millennio a.C., scelsero questo territorio quale principale testa di ponte per la loro espansione sulle coste centrali dell'Adriatico.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=R8vsFTCfFZMC&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=Martinsicuro++Truentum+liburni&source=bl&ots=EY5fPoUsa7&sig=ACfU3U120Ggy0Tgzp4LlVSOjDXsoz6gsQQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjowdf72eDtAhXMwzgGHVBHDAw4ChDoATAGegQIC BAC#v=onepage&q=Martinsicuro%20%20Truentum%20liburni&f=false

Any how ...............how do you link with R1 and I3313 samples if they are united .......I present mine in the G25 post a few days go

Salento
22-12-20, 06:30
I think we come via ancient Dalamatia or Liburnian people ......only logical scenario I can see ATM

At the river's mouth existed Truentum, remembered by Roman writer Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) as part of the Roman region of Picenum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picenum), and attributed to the Liburni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburni) tribe.
Truentum is next to Martiniscuro where sample R1 was found

http://www.scuolablu.it/martinsicuro.htm

https://placeandsee.com/martinsicuro

Martinsicuro, posto alla foce del Tronto, beneficia di un clima particolarmente dolce e ha rappresentato fin dall'antichità un ottimo habitat per l'uomo.
I Liburni, provenienti dalla Dalmazia nel V-VI millennio a.C., scelsero questo territorio quale principale testa di ponte per la loro espansione sulle coste centrali dell'Adriatico.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=R8vsFTCfFZMC&pg=PA143&lpg=PA143&dq=Martinsicuro++Truentum+liburni&source=bl&ots=EY5fPoUsa7&sig=ACfU3U120Ggy0Tgzp4LlVSOjDXsoz6gsQQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjowdf72eDtAhXMwzgGHVBHDAw4ChDoATAGegQIC BAC#v=onepage&q=Martinsicuro%20%20Truentum%20liburni&f=false

Any how ...............how do you link with R1 and I3313 samples if they are united .......I present mine in the G25 post a few days go

... on my chr. analysis I3313 gets only I5769 (Thracian Bulgaria).

I don’t get R1 on my deep dive, so I have no links to show.

12480

torzio
22-12-20, 08:30
... on my chr. analysis I3313 gets only I5769 (Thracian Bulgaria).

I don’t get R1 on my deep dive, so I have no links to show.

12480


i still get R1 as my #1

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.455 - OBS137 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.937 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users

torzio
22-12-20, 08:32
my father gets it at #3


1. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.095 - MOK10
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.072 - SZ45
Top 98 % match vs all users



3. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.192 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.577 - CL94
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.578 - OBS137 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.617 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users

Duarte
22-12-20, 17:07
yfull dated SZ1 to 1360 ybp, ...is that about 590 AD ???

https://i.imgur.com/8pRnUrh.jpg


https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/

@Salento

All ages of modern uploaded samples and, also, ages of tree’s haplogroups are temporary suspended. See the News below:

https://i.imgur.com/DHg1Vg2.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Q9RrHlo.jpg

Salento
22-12-20, 22:24
@Salento

All ages of modern uploaded samples and, also, ages of tree’s haplogroups are temporary suspended. See the News below:



@Duarte
... my enhanced 7th sense spotted the issue, ... my math is strong ! :laughing:

Duarte
22-12-20, 22:47
@Duarte
... my enhanced 7th sense spotted the issue, ... my math is strong ! :laughing:

I believe you deserve an award. Your perception of the facts was very sharp. You hit the target with millimeter accuracy. :good_job:

Salento
23-12-20, 03:08
i still get R1 as my #1

1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users


2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.455 - OBS137 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.937 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users

My R1 kept losing positions, ...

about that Illyrian from Post #3336 ... very few people chrome-match that Illyrian sample ... hard to prove a connection with R1, unless the other guys start singing :)

Bogomir
23-12-20, 12:08
I don’t trust "MyThrueAncestry" anymore. It can be used for “Brain storming” input only.


It is not possible that somebody has matched a 1000-year-old individual on the same level as a modern kindred person.
To different users they provide for the same segment of certain chromosomes the totally different common ancestry.

Kind regards.

Salento
23-12-20, 16:52
... GedMatch ... free One-to-one comparison (min. seg. 3 cM)

S vs SZ1
https://i.imgur.com/f2OLWOH.jpg

S vs Otzi
https://i.imgur.com/T71fn0d.jpg

Salento
23-12-20, 17:02
R1 vs Otzi :
https://i.imgur.com/r8Ilm4q.jpg

SZ1 vs Otzi
https://i.imgur.com/FkFcXVY.jpg

Goby
23-12-20, 17:39
So I just made an account and took a look around, I did my true ancestry and got some weird results which I'd love to be explained by someone who knows more
I am Romanian from the very south of the country, actually I can see the Danube from my grandparents' house and the hills of Bulgaria.
I come from the town of Corabia, for a more precise location.
So, I got this
Gaul + Hungarian Conqueror (6.093)
Roman + Hungarian Conqueror (6.918)
Gallo-Roman + Hungarian Conqueror (7.975)
Byzantine + Hungarian Conqueror (8.872)
Byzantine + Gallo-Roman (9.717)
Hungarian Conqueror (12.76)
Roman (16.26)
Gaul (17.92)
Gallo-Roman (18.02)
Byzantine (18.87)

If there is anything else you want me to add, I'll do it for sure. Is it rare? Is it weird in any way? I have to mention that I have some very far german and bulgarian ancestry (maybe 5 generations or so)

torzio
23-12-20, 19:15
I don’t trust "MyThrueAncestry" anymore. It can be used for “Brain storming” input only.


It is not possible that somebody has matched a 1000-year-old individual on the same level as a modern kindred person.
To different users they provide for the same segment of certain chromosomes the totally different common ancestry.

Kind regards.


it losses its accuracy beyond 10

I ignore everything after 10

torzio
23-12-20, 19:18
My R1 kept losing positions, ...

about that Illyrian from Post #3336 ... very few people chrome-match that Illyrian sample ... hard to prove a connection with R1, unless the other guys start singing :)

what do you mean by very few...how can you tell

the interesting part is I have a strong link with the I3313 illyrian/dalmatian ......but not with the other Illyrian/Dalmatian
I suspect as other sites state that I3313 is a liburnian/Illyrian, especially since it links with sample R1

Salento
23-12-20, 22:04
what do you mean by very few...how can you tell

the interesting part is I have a strong link with the I3313 illyrian/dalmatian ......but not with the other Illyrian/Dalmatian
I suspect as other sites state that I3313 is a liburnian/Illyrian, especially since it links with sample R1

... look for “Genetic Social Groups” ...
scroll down to “deep dive groups (meet your ancient cousins!)” ...

It’ll tell you how many MTA members you share with a specific Deep Dive sample!

... see below:

https://i.imgur.com/mo89Gtx.jpg


... you’re welcome, :)

Salento
24-12-20, 09:00
... some more of my least popular deep dives samples,
two Skeleton Lake related with my Haplogroups, and a North Roman Warrior.

Haplogroups seem to be important in this case:

I3403 - 287 members (Pater T1a2)
I6937 - 111 members (Mater H12a)
NS3c - 84 members

https://i.imgur.com/qifihOg.jpg

Salento
24-12-20, 09:15
Otzi and SZ1 7000+ relatives :thinking: (Basic Ancestry), Latin R437 760+, Latin R850 1000+, Roman Mausoleo Augusto R30 and R34 1000+

https://i.imgur.com/3LQdjZB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VJ8tkfo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qjJ5Tuk.jpg

Bogomir
24-12-20, 13:01
This is mine comparison to SZ1:Salento, we do not share the same segments of SZ1. MTA is than calculating different ancestry for certain segment graphic representation. There is still big difference between 187 cM and 13 cM.

Salento
24-12-20, 15:54
This is mine comparison to SZ1:Salento, we do not share the same segments of SZ1. MTA is than calculating different ancestry for certain segment graphic representation. There is still big difference between 187 cM and 13 cM.

GedMatch free 1to1 minimum seg. cM size doesn’t go below 3 cM,
... MTA goes below 1 cM,
... different algorithms,

see below:

https://i.imgur.com/KlorbAN.jpg

Carlos
28-12-20, 14:32
Modern with modern

Early Modern Period


23. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.51 - LM_406_T

1. Spanish_Galicia (9.823)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (9.975)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (10.57)
4. Portuguese (11.15)
5. French (11.17)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.38)
7. Southwest_French (11.80)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (12.74)


123. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137

1. North_Italian (9.724)
2. Spanish_Galicia (10.07)
3. Portuguese (10.36)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (11.14)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.75)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.44)
7. Spanish_Murcia (12.67)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (13.41)


159. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.35 - LM_306_T

1. Southwest_English (9.755)
2. French (10.41)
3. South_Dutch (10.43)
4. Welsh (10.75)
5. Southeast_English (11.42)
6. Irish (12.32)
7. Flemish (12.35)
8. West_Scottish (13.44)


172. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.58 - I7425

1. Spanish_Extremadura (10.02)
2. North_Italian (10.14)
3. Spanish_Murcia (10.85)
4. Portuguese (11.16)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (11.81)
6. Tuscan (12.58)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.84)
8. Spanish_Galicia (12.90)


182. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - I3809

1. Spanish_Aragon (10.68)
2. Spanish_Basque (10.98)
3. French_Basque (11.55)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (12.18)
5. Spanish_Valencia (12.43)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (13.35)
7. Southwest_French (14.41)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (14.52)


198. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.27 - LXVI

1. North_Italian (9.063)
2. Portuguese (11.20)
3. Spanish_Galicia (11.39)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (12.22)
5. Tuscan (12.52)
6. Spanish_Murcia (12.79)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (12.96)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.55)


221. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116

1. French (8.493)
2. Flemish (9.803)
3. Spanish_Galicia (10.95)
4. South_Dutch (11.01)
5. West_German (11.83)
6. Portuguese (12.06)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (12.53)
8. Welsh (13.27)


234. Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.92 - Marat

1. Spanish_Cataluna (11.31)
2. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (11.72)
3. French (12.11)
4. Spanish_Galicia (12.82)
5. Portuguese (12.91)
6. Spanish_Murcia (13.40)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (14.31)
8. Spanish_Valencia (14.42)


351. Oxford Infirmiary
1790 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.25 - CSD

1. Southwest_English (11.26)
2. Southeast_English (12.01)
3. Irish (12.54)
4. West_Scottish (12.97)
5. Orcadian (13.26)
6. Welsh (13.55)
7. North_Dutch (15.47)
8. South_Dutch (15.74)


362. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.52 - RG161c

1. Spanish_Basque (16.97)
2. French_Basque (18.50)
3. Southeast_English (21.09)
4. Southwest_English (21.21)
5. Spanish_Aragon (21.64)
6. Irish (21.79)
7. Southwest_French (21.82)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (21.95)

Salento
29-12-20, 02:04
... testing .... 3D print ... guess who is it ???

https://i.imgur.com/Cjl9LjR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HnmhsJJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KEtGeiz.jpg

... the color it’s not representative, ... it’s just the material, :)

italouruguayan
29-12-20, 02:09
Marcus Aurelius.

Duarte
29-12-20, 02:19
I agree with Italo. Seems Marcus Aurelius, at least in the cover of this book.

https://i.imgur.com/IgufdfN.jpg

Carlos
29-12-20, 02:21
Trajano evidentemente.

Salento
29-12-20, 02:31
Thanks guys! It was Marcus Aurelius!

Carlos
29-12-20, 17:29
Late Bronze Age
15. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.75 - I3313

33. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.13 - I12209

62. Menorca Late Bronze Age
861 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.55 - I3315

85. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.25 - I12208

106. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.67 - MJ12

135. Bronze Age Niederergheim France
860 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.62 - NIED

137. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.68 - QUIN58

144. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.88 - R1015

156. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1350 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.23 - ESP005

186. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.97 - R1


Iron Age
7. Jebsen Boden Alsace France
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.03 - Jeb8

10. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.31 - R474

16. Aquitani Pech-Maho France
350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.9 - PECH8

25. Greco-Era Emporion
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I8341

30. Rhaeti Tribe Wartau Switzerland
88 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.91 - SX18

35. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.19 - I4556

44. Iron Age Catalan
620 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.63 - I12640

46. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
440 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.75 - I12878

47. Belgic Tribe Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.77 - COL153i

53. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.39 - I3320

torzio
31-12-20, 23:50
no change with new update ...................they still have SZ1 as AD instead of BC

others are beyond 12.00

bold is BC samples



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.016 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.455 - OBS137 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.676 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.937 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.36 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users



7. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.695 - SZ36
Top 98 % match vs all users



8. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.874 - CL36 ?
Top 98 % match vs all users



9. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.0 - scy197b
Top 99 % match vs all users



10. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.06 - SZ43
Top 98 % match vs all users



11. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.11 - NS3c
Top 99 % match vs all users



12. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users



13. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.63 - NS3b
Top 99 % match vs all users

Carlos
01-01-21, 15:38
My premium Europe and Deep Dive during the Muslim period in the Iberian Peninsula.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jErtULPFUTQ/X-8hYvNeM3I/AAAAAAAAFZk/D2IYh-Ulxsw8gChHa_qHq7OjqZj5vbLgwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/EuropePremiumMIO711a1492.jpeg

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Similar Samples

Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate 1050 ADIberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) (5.928)
Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (6.027)
Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) (6.684)
Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (6.84)
Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy (1355 AD) (6.853)

Iberian Cordoba Caliphate 1050 AD
Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto (500 AD) (6.714)
Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) (6.737)
Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (6.84)
Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) (6.977)
Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) (7.786)

Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate 1050 AD
Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) (8.492)
Roman Villa Granada Spain (300 AD) (8.612)
Medieval Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) (8.65)
Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) (8.782)
Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse (1348 AD) (8.922)

This is from another era, but since I'm working on it


Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries 150 ADLate Roman Mix Crypta Balbi (500 AD) (6.965)
Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (950 AD) (7.529)
Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) (8.966)
Post-Reconquista Granada (1550 AD) (9.05)
Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France (1500 BC) (9.128)

Carlos
03-01-21, 03:02
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aOXM52SNRlI/X_EB2YCAsMI/AAAAAAAAFgE/5Y4tq2XukRo12yD6jsxFhAjKSrWdr0b1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s662/Kit.jpeg

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Carlos
03-01-21, 03:04
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Salento
03-01-21, 06:04
Iron-Age me setting Sail for Egypt :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/9TST1zT.jpg

Someone was waiting for me 😉
https://i.imgur.com/QB0f6Qv.jpg

Salento
03-01-21, 06:07
Medieval me is very simple lately :)

https://i.imgur.com/w7twFLv.jpg

... Early Medieval:
https://i.imgur.com/eoLTO6a.jpg

Salento
03-01-21, 09:51
fyi ... Lecce is in Salento (Puglia)

... and my ancestors have been there for Centuries,
imho since forever, ... or almost forever :)

https://i.imgur.com/vZNQktN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rx0UR7f.jpg

Carlos
03-01-21, 17:52
Aren't they beautiful, even Cleopatra would be speechless.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-097TM4Q-bC4/X_HhdjGG48I/AAAAAAAAFkM/8j6j2_WfY3glSeF9007SaMT9-qoYPkygQCLcBGAsYHQ/s448/91570085_10157517223833547_4534320789704409088_n.j pg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h2flACfatX0/X_Hkfd2LStI/AAAAAAAAFkY/n39SlGmxFWEzdkO2wqp-uKjkV_S-9WPowCLcBGAsYHQ/s960/Villabrunawoman.jpeg

Let's get on with the science there is so much to do.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aOXM52SNRlI/X_EB2YCAsMI/AAAAAAAAFgE/5Y4tq2XukRo12yD6jsxFhAjKSrWdr0b1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s662/Kit.jpeg

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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JXnq4KGCKKo/X_EPViC8Z5I/AAAAAAAAFiM/vc7xMbkfj1AnK10PFGaYMdpEBVzHhNbbQCLcBGAsYHQ/s398/snp5.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-suVZe4eaBtY/X_EPV1RBceI/AAAAAAAAFiQ/PonErDjpI84yn4AFgXz3ITlL1Qe_3TAxgCLcBGAsYHQ/s558/snp6.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Cfs1eRr8zOI/X_EPWAooTWI/AAAAAAAAFiU/mu6cnemIwos9IxbdmcSlZiwRX87eWwa3wCLcBGAsYHQ/s389/snp7.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C03I82M_PAk/X_EPWQqzTTI/AAAAAAAAFiY/NGt0vEyKm4InEvCEcF9G33n5mmj_1UXdQCLcBGAsYHQ/s396/snp8.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6KAXE47c5Uk/X_EPWhAUQNI/AAAAAAAAFic/3imMXm9ucQQwOCZJaqwpm8nEN3YEybhDwCLcBGAsYHQ/s395/snp9.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9COBPu6vKDM/X_EPPqH81CI/AAAAAAAAFhE/QrsThd0w43IZ1TvzcVJkdiHbmWgWls5VwCLcBGAsYHQ/s541/snp10.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-F081vtOR-yA/X_EPPhj02II/AAAAAAAAFg8/osloBMXagDoLd4O93ORCPXrgOm_m2DWJQCLcBGAsYHQ/s403/snp11.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UivDfH3Y4Ho/X_EPQTsz6KI/AAAAAAAAFhI/Trn93kICE4Ialp1oRHWGFlWP7XNKWyc5ACLcBGAsYHQ/s386/snp12.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cAk2OusDDX0/X_EPQn6e_hI/AAAAAAAAFhM/QP9sutTIva0tlI-HE9zz6n0edrqOXlJkgCLcBGAsYHQ/s391/snp13.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7Tq6X4pjneo/X_EPQyTYb9I/AAAAAAAAFhQ/9mnOTg6btHUnotY--4SH9hHzuazNSlbygCLcBGAsYHQ/s385/snp14.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vXXG0U3DIZg/X_EPRQP5liI/AAAAAAAAFhU/uNKPgn2IDMIycyg5vM2lE7x_b97shangwCLcBGAsYHQ/s675/snp15.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QepCGLtXULs/X_EPRtf04NI/AAAAAAAAFhY/W4whAjme_5IcI8OrFE7d6QOf27XeOr2qgCLcBGAsYHQ/s494/snp16.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tmobUWSW04I/X_EPR4Ymf6I/AAAAAAAAFhc/sAXXbeUBUfQTyOPRspGq-FFyFC4fWt5iACLcBGAsYHQ/s600/snp17.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uLAKobhDYKY/X_EPSCZrsII/AAAAAAAAFhg/LnSKdrnxuTcHybehkJcQXluavcBUEGHzQCLcBGAsYHQ/s521/snp18.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--1LDVu77eEg/X_EPSSeQVzI/AAAAAAAAFhk/yDXxjGuw_gIcrVnCUef3hTZhl-Kx3hZIQCLcBGAsYHQ/s425/snp19.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-511lVC0qr0Q/X_EPS4fciKI/AAAAAAAAFhs/Fs4hK7ZM00YH60K_Nc8r7iAPz8VxNpfCACLcBGAsYHQ/s401/snp20.jpeg
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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L3JOMHTlEa0/X_EPUG4WzOI/AAAAAAAAFh0/3YybMsdhKJI5LT4-C3M-LoeU99SOTcmlgCLcBGAsYHQ/s573/snp22.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-t58JtCXdHpo/X_EPUW-R_6I/AAAAAAAAFh4/TDVKXBnnDk8nWSQz5jSO-3trWKJp1b7mwCLcBGAsYHQ/s494/snp23.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mc5LCw_1EIk/X_EPUfz1cMI/AAAAAAAAFh8/zInG6-_hQocpo-04k_EDj36b4FOX0mrDACLcBGAsYHQ/s393/snp24.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jmUO1GTPZFU/X_EPUz-BQDI/AAAAAAAAFiA/iE_0w-hsJQUi-yK2uG5glYi4NXJlZf-zACLcBGAsYHQ/s502/snp25.jpeg

Salento
05-01-21, 03:11
Aren't they beautiful, even Cleopatra would be speechless.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-097TM4Q-bC4/X_HhdjGG48I/AAAAAAAAFkM/8j6j2_WfY3glSeF9007SaMT9-qoYPkygQCLcBGAsYHQ/s448/91570085_10157517223833547_4534320789704409088_n.j pg


careful Carlos, Cleopatra might get jealous, Anthony has his eyes on her :heart: :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/clHeFhz.jpg

Carlos
05-01-21, 05:43
^^

That woman has no heart how she will know what jealousy is, she is very dangerous, it is not what she represents, that story will not end well, go carefully dear Anthony, I fear the worst. Destiny once again separates us, but no matter what, there is still eternity.

Carlos
05-01-21, 21:40
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aOXM52SNRlI/X_EB2YCAsMI/AAAAAAAAFgE/5Y4tq2XukRo12yD6jsxFhAjKSrWdr0b1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s662/Kit.jpeg

Neolithic Age53. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.77 - Gordinesti

107. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.73 - Pocrovca3

121. Ikiztepe Black Sea Anatolia
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.34 - IKI024

126. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.53 - I7043

127. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.54 - I7041

129. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.64 - I3593

132. Sicily Beaker
2200 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.11 - I4930

137. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.48 - I3499

154. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.39 - SCH007

165. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.18 - I3239


Early Bronze Age
50. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.59 - I4331

87. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
1860 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.53 - I3124

124. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.48 - I4332

130. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.65 - MOK17

133. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.14 - I3123

141. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.89 - MOK21

145. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.11 - MOK26

148. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.21 - QUIN234

156. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.54 - MOK10

163. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily
2073 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - I8561

Late Bronze Age
41. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
987 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.8 - I3876

61. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.98 - R1

92. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.97 - I3313

111. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.87 - I3878

123. Mycenaean Peloponnese
1350 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.46 - I9041

125. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.52 - R1015

143. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
1253 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.03 - I10372

152. Ashkelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.32 - ASH068_ASH_IA1

166. West Sicily Late Bronze Age
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.18 - I10373

189. Late Bronze Age Olmo di Nogara Italy
1250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.17 - 9323_Oss

Iron Age
8. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.12 - MSR002

12. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.53 - I8204

28. Western Scythian Outlier Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.21 - DA198

38. Iron Age Phoenician Settler Sardinia
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.65 - I10366

42. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.82 - scy300

47. Greco-Era Empuries
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.32 - I8208

51. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.63 - scy305

62. Scythian Southern Moldova
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.99 - scy192

63. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.07 - I8205

75. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.84 - MS10614

Roman Age
1. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.5 - R113

2. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.198 - R111

5. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.271 - I3581

6. Imperial Rome Via Paisiello
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.701 - R131

9. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.44 - R1540

10. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.14 - I3981

14. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.07 - I3982

25. Imperial Roman Era Sardinia
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.02 - AMC001

26. Roman Graveyard Emporion
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - I8338

31. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.37 - I3582

Dark Ages
13. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.84 - SZ31

19. Justinian Plague Victim
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.76 - LSD021

20. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.27 - NS3c

24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
515 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.97 - I3980

30. Central Roman / Mixed
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - SZ19

57. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.83 - I3585

64. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.15 - CL36

73. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.77 - SZ43

82. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.12 - SZ36

86. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.52 - SZ28

Medieval Age

3. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.631 - R1283

4. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.892 - R1285

7. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.07 - R1287

11. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.47 - R52

16. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.37 - R59

17. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.47 - I7457

18. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.65 - I2515

21. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.49 - I12644

22. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.51 - I12515

23. Medieval Sardinia
1300 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.72 - Geridu2568-1

Early Modern Period
15. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.29 - R970

27. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.15 - I3807

52. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.77 - I7425

60. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.97 - I7424

81. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.11 - R973

94. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.19 - LXVI

99. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.36 - I3809

151. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.31 - I7423

158. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - R969

183. Torna Alta Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.06 - I3808

Modern Period
56. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.83 - I3403

95. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.22 - I6939

108. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.78 - I3404

112. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.88 - I6937

128. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.56 - I3405

153. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.39 - I3348

170. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.36 - I2869

246. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.16 - I3350

360. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Mediterranean
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 29.0 - I6947

445. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1810 AD - Genetic Distance: 30.74 - I3345

Salento
06-01-21, 00:23
@Carlos

your number 3 (R1283) was related to my Mother, ... really :)

... next to the the Colosseum:

https://i.imgur.com/Acnvhzk.jpg

Carlos
06-01-21, 02:23
@Carlos

your number 3 (R1283) was related to my Mother, ... really :)

... next to the the Colosseum:

https://i.imgur.com/Acnvhzk.jpg


Yes, I see. It will have something to do with it, maybe she moved to Rome from another area, it doesn't seem like she was from Rome for long


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aOXM52SNRlI/X_EB2YCAsMI/AAAAAAAAFgE/5Y4tq2XukRo12yD6jsxFhAjKSrWdr0b1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s662/Kit.jpeg

Your Outlier Samples...

(These are the most genetically unique among your broader matching samples)


319. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - I12221

342. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

361. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576

378. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424

385. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581

387. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32

389. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154

392. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.1 - MS10614

398. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

402. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

403. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

404. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

415. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896

419. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.64 - R1283

430. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983

435. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865

440. Unetice Bohemia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.16 - Rise154

444. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500

453. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204

454. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1

456. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299

457. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003

459. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595

460. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142

462. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932

463. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

464. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584

465. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3322

466. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120

469. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391

470. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276

472. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - MX219

475. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970

477. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540

478. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836

481. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2

484. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - I5470

487. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113

488. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205

489. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2

490. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973

491. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.96 - Niedertiefenbach40

494. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

495. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31

496. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47

497. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty

499. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001

500. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639

547. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001

Salento
06-01-21, 02:38
I doubt that R1283 traveled from America to Rome in 860 AD, ... but who knows :)

Carlos
06-01-21, 02:51
I doubt that R1283 traveled from America to Rome in 860 AD, ... but who knows :)

No, I don't think so.. :satisfied:

Carlos
06-01-21, 04:45
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aOXM52SNRlI/X_EB2YCAsMI/AAAAAAAAFgE/5Y4tq2XukRo12yD6jsxFhAjKSrWdr0b1ACLcBGAsYHQ/s662/Kit.jpeg[/IMG]

Your Outlier Samples...

(These are the most genetically unique among your broader matching samples)


319. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - I12221

342. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121

361. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576

378. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424

385. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581

387. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32

389. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154

392. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.1 - MS10614

398. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43

402. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b

403. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328

404. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b

415. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896

419. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.64 - R1283

430. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983

435. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865

440. Unetice Bohemia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.16 - Rise154

444. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500

453. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204

454. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1

456. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299

457. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003

459. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595

460. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142

462. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932

463. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36

464. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584

465. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3322

466. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120

469. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391

470. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276

472. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - MX219

475. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970

477. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540

478. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836

481. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2

484. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - I5470

487. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113

488. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205

489. Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - SSG-A2

490. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973

491. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.96 - Niedertiefenbach40

494. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

495. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.03 - SZ31

496. Western Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.04 - MJ47

497. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty

499. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001

500. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639

547. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001


PD: (On the previous pages are the results of the sample: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano R120)Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)
vs
Kit: Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP (R113)https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lY1bjhqG9-4/X_UKl7b3qEI/AAAAAAAAFmA/SWUz0p5KNXE8K0hzk2VoqCSRsBINywlSgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Cartago120vs113.jpeg

Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120) vs
Kit: Carthago Outlier San Ercolano (R121)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CRY1KvsE-MU/X_UNEKBTKWI/AAAAAAAAFmI/nmNWQCtB3JgCtNL1yiP2u6-xqI2oj1ABwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/CartagoR120vsR121.jpeg

Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)
vsKit: Gallo-Roman (SZ28)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fPSb4XGu8rQ/X_UOes8_fPI/AAAAAAAAFmQ/cgo6OiU9BFM2rgy8KQfmyOdoFJ8hb3V9gCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Cartago120vsSZ18.JPEG

Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120) VS
Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R473)https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YuPyGXvBMmg/X_UO4d3B3qI/AAAAAAAAFmY/owVcsb2Rf-cKSs7qxMoJNP4jCiUTA0pWgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/cARTAGO120VSETRUSCANr173.JPEG

Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120) VS
Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R474)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sSknx3J0a-c/X_UPhRIBE6I/AAAAAAAAFmg/kzKqdN4W8-YQ6OtnSZgxGMmhP2oPQjKDACLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Cartago120vsEtruscanR474.jpeg




Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120) vs
Kit: Medieval Piedmont (CL57)https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fvpOyqW-hpc/X_UQavczOTI/AAAAAAAAFmo/x1dtFyL2t68g4L6er2l43W23neGtFqwegCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Cartago120vsMedievalPiedmontCl57.jpeg

Kit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120) vs
Kit: Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (I12515)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-npfDGcpKIuc/X_Ujk1BxRAI/AAAAAAAAFmw/G6Gar2fg5s0JrTffZ0jtJ6ibCge0ebKWgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/CARTAGO120spaniardCordobaCaliphate.jpeg

Salento
06-01-21, 05:10
https://i.imgur.com/SzcngFE.jpg

Salento
08-01-21, 23:20
https://i.imgur.com/fPLdBfw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iwXShmy.jpg

Salento
08-01-21, 23:23
https://i.imgur.com/jtZIUbq.jpg

Top that ... Buonarroti :grin:

Salento
09-01-21, 05:30
... You are a little soul carrying about a corpse, ... as Epictetus used to say ! :laughing:

... Nothing happens to anybody which he is not fitted by nature to bear. :satisfied:

Salento
09-01-21, 19:18
Romulus (2020 S1 E1)


https://youtu.be/mNLAzzjb2HY

Crazyladybutterfly
10-01-21, 02:22
Dang splitting hairs much?

hellenic Roman
roman greek
ancient greek
central ancient Hellenic Roman mycenaenoid

Hellenic Romans should be south italians and galloromans should be north italians

Carlos
10-01-21, 19:33
Hellenic Romans should be south italians and galloromans should be north italians

But then are the Roman Roosters Roman or are they Romanized Gauls?

Carlos
10-01-21, 21:02
MY KIT (Grey Point) vs Iberian Cordoba Caliphate I7498


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IK8brXXdGLQ/X_tKGLGIW8I/AAAAAAAAFpg/G2EbYPzw_LU0ShDNh6Kx4lBOzZO_x0sCgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h640/MapeIberianCordobaCaliphateI7498.JPEG

MY KIT (Grey Point) vs Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate I12515


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kOsU7EeBpjw/X_tL8WWBJsI/AAAAAAAAFpw/_kXWuDAGMQwa-a0kUqPPXF8MNkN242MzwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MapeSpaniardCordobaCaliphateI12515.JPEG

MI KIT (Grey Poin) vs Late Medieval Cancilleria Basilica R1219 (White Point)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-V06NeGVpRGg/X_tKsmxfO9I/AAAAAAAAFpo/qWW12RucT5cBwfXHOigNqcjCJhemhpZ5QCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MapeLateMedievalCancilleriaBasilicaR1219.JPEG



My Deep Dive Mape


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x-ywIANm8hI/X_tMd5PvLmI/AAAAAAAAFp4/3IEW2WlGTKQ7zJumJORQ8UP39n6zQsiAQCLcBGAsYHQ/s778/MapeDeepDiveDiciembrell2020.jpeg

Salento
10-01-21, 21:18
... amazing times, ... we can make whatever we want (almost) :

https://i.imgur.com/XW6hFCx.jpg

Salento
11-01-21, 03:50
But then are the Roman Roosters Roman or are they Romanized Gauls?
... half and half

Generally, ... heading South across the Rubicon, some Italian “Gauls” were full Romans with Barbarian Ancestry,

and the Italians North of the Rubicon were Romanized Gauls, or others ...

Salento
11-01-21, 05:40
Roman Gaul / Central / Hellenic / ... is more of a MTA nomenclature.

Traditionally, the Roman homeland ranged from the Rubicon to Calabria, ... once you crossed the Rubicon, you were in Italy / Roman Homeland,

and eventually it expanded into North Italy and Sicily.

Italy was not a Province, it was the “Domina Provinciarum” ... Homeland and Center of the Roman Empire.

imho The vast majority of Roman Era Italians should be classified as Romans only.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Italy

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italia_romana

https://i.imgur.com/twCP8zt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TNyqJid.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gxMF0mo.jpg

Salento
12-01-21, 04:29
... it doesn’t seem that he can dance the Pizzica, ... too stiff :)

but I figured out why I get Louis 16th on the DNA Spotlight,

it turns out that he’s not très Français, ... he’s closer to the Romans and the Illyrians than the Gauls.

https://i.imgur.com/uUiR3T7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kqYHY9M.jpg

Angela
12-01-21, 16:38
... it doesn’t seem that he can dance the Pizzica, ... too stiff :)

but I figured out why I get Louis 16th on the DNA Spotlight,

it turns out that he’s not très Français, ... he’s closer to the Romans and the Illyrians than the Gauls.

https://i.imgur.com/uUiR3T7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kqYHY9M.jpg

Lots of German wives in the French royal house in the latter centuries, and a Polish consort as well, but also a lot of ancestry from Savoy, not to mention all the inbreeding with the Spanish Bourbons. :)

Carlos
12-01-21, 18:51
Louise XVl got it in match


Kit: Carlos vs Kit: Carlos
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Qo-y8MvnOpo/X_3N9IFjhDI/AAAAAAAAFsc/npwur-ss_3EZkFuvkoLu7IxaXooF6J5hwCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/kitM%25C3%258DOconmigoMismo.jpeg
Kit: Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219) vs Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R473)https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a_Hr35z4paI/X_3QbZozuII/AAAAAAAAFsk/2koyenFeMAIvkoUINaXyQQnFwrkbV--NgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MapeKitcancilleriabasilicaR1219vsEtruscanR473.jpeg

Kit: Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica (R1219)vsKit: Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (I7498)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-H687iCFjZhQ/X_3TNO0-hvI/AAAAAAAAFs0/CPhuGgijK4wGDAWLbXBvMehtZHnxsYZowCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MAPECancilleriaR1219ViBERIANcordobacaliphateI7498. JPEG

Carlos
14-01-21, 01:22
My last 50 and recapitulating


500. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.06 - Ballynahatty

501. Iron Age Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.07 - COL11

502. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - SNN001

503. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.1 - I7639

504. Strachow Bronze Age Poland
1880 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.11 - I6538

505. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14

506. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer
1678 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.15 - KOV-A2

507. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.16 - I5441

508. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.17 - CAK531

509. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.2 - I12031

510. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - ros3

511. Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.28 - I12163

512. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32

513. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.34 - G21

514. Bronze Age Prague Jinonice Czech
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.37 - I7203

515. Iron Age North Sardinia
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.38 - I16163

516. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.42 - SZ42

517. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.43 - ros5

518. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.49 - I7282

519. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.5 - nuf002

520. Celt Medieval Denmark Odense
1164 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - G427

521. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - R57

522. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2115 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - MX288

523. Viking Age Galgedil Funen Denmark
925 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.53 - VK138

524. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - I5834

525. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.6 - I3575

526. Scythian Ukraine
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.62 - scy006

527. North Alpine Bronze Age
1812 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.69 - AITI_50

528. Viking Saxon Iceland
1104 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.71 - TSK-A26

529. Early Medievel Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
460 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.71 - STR228

530. Attichy-Bitry Gallic Chariot Burial France
275 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.74 - ATT26

531. Early Viking Age Oland Sweden
829 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.75 - VK349

532. El Sotillo Basque Country
875 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.78 - I2469

533. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.79 - G48

534. Middle Bronze Age Dorset England
1446 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.8 - I3082

535. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.83 - BIS385

36. Alemannic Bavaria
495 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.89 - STR_316

537. Western Scythian Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.89 - DA191

538. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.9 - R60

539. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - R59

540. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - Linton

541. Bronze Age Boscombe Airfield England
1680 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - I2464

542. Viking Age Staraya Ladoga
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK218

543. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK261

544. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.94 - I7554

545. Viking Denmark Odense
1058 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.97 - G507

546. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2660 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.98 - MX190

547. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.0 - PCA133_Niemcza19

548. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - G658

549. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - 6DRIF-23

550. Viking Age Gotland Kopparsvik Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - VK468


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-XkJa2gZe0ck/X_98VeuVmpI/AAAAAAAAFtY/gev-tSH-rDIRXkyQBurm2vxEzvNdqmxVwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1237/Croma3000a%25C3%25B1os.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Q2gNl0VnzZA/X_98VSe0WxI/AAAAAAAAFtc/2sfyvFJOEJQAOH01IzWUgMA0TgYzMOl7ACLcBGAsYHQ/s1366/Croma3000a%25C3%25B1osGermany.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dFF_uGNnGmg/X_98-pgpspI/AAAAAAAAFts/fKwG7ZINgAcn1pgF_145FhSfKGx5gvuBwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1216/Croma3000a%25C3%25B1osRahaeti.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pn_rDRtsv_0/X-eMFFCDdrI/AAAAAAAAFSw/2Elbt9P_C5M-7MKFFp59GWKa5HRXMZpVgCLcBGAsYHQ/w640-h448/AllOriginsPercentages2020.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5LevNrxJkTo/X-eMJdd_nlI/AAAAAAAAFS0/fmUGXSh9CvAgFmB72lSgbN3OeKOXrRrCQCLcBGAsYHQ/s600/AllOriginswESTERNeUROPEPercentages2020.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KsHeXA0OYJo/X-eMN4OtRmI/AAAAAAAAFS8/FdjFHJM-6twrzfyauqNyYJ2-rCOwR2waQCLcBGAsYHQ/s561/AllOriginsEasternEuropePercentages2020.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hwu2YV1-uE0/X-eMQuP6ZVI/AAAAAAAAFTA/pV1u55Pis_UyaONpDQDJ92Y9bFuJP4yvwCLcBGAsYHQ/s591/AllOriginsFinishPercentages2020.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5HPGd5fnBHk/X-SyT9cTDoI/AAAAAAAAFRk/0shAsXQERIoy6HPUfDYpxhIjvWfB3RxggCLcBGAsYHQ/s341/Mapemyheritage.jpeg

dnaY

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eUtm2mqTk1k/YABF-9Le0TI/AAAAAAAAFt8/VQUdapNBtWcfuZxuEd5ax3MuneTJrH3aQCLcBGAsYHQ/s694/E-BY7449tBY7566enero2021.JPEG

dnaY
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ExRkqUoXm9c/XzJHT9_NxkI/AAAAAAAAEZQ/qkO-3I18fgAhYzTJS4wZZFB1wHGpDOb8gCLcBGAsYHQ/s869/MAPEPHILODNAyMIhaplogrupo.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GT8PAS2BlQc/XzrUjblrQmI/AAAAAAAAEZw/f3EiMQUeh5Mp5i-EBZn-Hod-QAMMVbUMwCLcBGAsYHQ/s897/mapePhilogicmasINTENSIDAD.JPEG

mtc dna

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PGB6C-1WUVo/YABG13vqVXI/AAAAAAAAFuE/g75Ga-wCWeEqmOwkz_9flTu57vT2TQf4wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1228/J1c5cENERO2021.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EFeZpV6x1a8/X84UnNfGeQI/AAAAAAAAFIw/DXwbhS8uBUQbfeoE1UBKnaJv1FEhbGNXwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1310/MapamitocondrialJ1c5c1.jpeg

Salento
15-01-21, 07:24
crossover:

top ancient distance: EU K15 - Dod K7 / W9 / K12 / K13 - MDLP K16

... on Deep Dive (ancient relatives)

https://i.imgur.com/1MAXrkf.jpg

... results on Roman PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/vdeOY11.jpg


... fyi different kits give me slightly different results, ... but not all of them :)

Salento
16-01-21, 06:39
Gs144 Male ♂ (Mars symbol)
GS145 Female ♀ (Venus symbol)

... real Man results :)
https://i.imgur.com/C7dqTQE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EL6Ej31.png

https://i.imgur.com/YNBWw7f.jpg

Salento
16-01-21, 09:51
https://i.imgur.com/SzcngFE.jpg

COLC2 - new Collato Sabino Italy
(the old ones are: COLC2a - COLC2b)

https://i.imgur.com/4xnY5A4.jpg

Carlos
16-01-21, 17:17
My pests


124. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.24 - OBS137

183. East Smithfield Plague Victim London
1349 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.75 - 8291

223. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.64 - OBS116

394. Justinian Plague Victim
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.06 - LSD021

429. Medieval Cambridge Plague Victim
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.74 - NMA003A

Oh! the last acquisition, there is to see what there is:

567. Medieval Netherlands Plague II
1360 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.24 - Ber45

Celt + Frank (3.473)
Saxon + Frank (3.796)
Viking + Frank (4.123)
Viking Danish + Frank (4.546)
Viking Danish + Celt (5.864)
Frank (7.521)
Celt (7.533)
Saxon (7.693)
Viking (8.065)
Viking Danish (8.107)


1. Danish (5.508)
2. Southeast_English (5.739)
3. Southwest_English (6.672)
4. North_Dutch (6.793)
5. West_Scottish (6.823)
6. Flemish (6.978)
7. Irish (7.388)
8. North_German (7.409)

Similar Samples

Germanic Lombard (590 AD) (5.017)
Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech (2215 BC) (5.386)
Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (5.914)
Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France (1900 BC) (6.234)
North Sea Medieval Denmark (1250 AD) (6.29)

Salento
17-01-21, 01:05
COLC2 - new Collato Sabino Italy
(the old ones are: COLC2a - COLC2b)

https://i.imgur.com/4xnY5A4.jpg

... no gender, no haplogroups, but the Italians Medieval Collato Sabino COLC2 and COLC2a are consecutive in my results,
... I say that they’re Siblings, and COLC2b is their Parent, or an Uncle /Aunt ... :)

Carlos
17-01-21, 01:48
... no gender, no haplogroups, but the Italians Medieval Collato Sabino COLC2 and COLC2a are consecutive in my results,
... I say that they’re Siblings, and COLC2b is their Parent, or an Uncle /Aunt ... :)

One uncle, the father must have died long before the plague came.

Salento
17-01-21, 02:05
One uncle, the father must have died long before the plague came.

... also in my results there’s only a 0.05 distance difference between COLC2 and COLC2a, that’s why I say they’re Siblings.

Salento
17-01-21, 04:26
... totally siblings and one very close relative!

COLC2 PCA Plots - 20 samples - 3D Analysis:

(notice how COLC2 and COLC2a are as one spinning together, and COLC2b is close by the entire time)


https://i.imgur.com/EywM3zS.gif

Salento
17-01-21, 04:53
... totally siblings and one very close relative!

COLC2 PCA Plots - 20 samples - 3D Analysis:

(notice how COLC2 and COLC2a are as one spinning together, and COLC2b is close by the entire time)


https://i.imgur.com/EywM3zS.gif
... a minimum of three family members succumbed to an 1700 AD Pandemic, ...

we were not prepared and we are not as advanced as we think we are, though hopefully will all go through unscathed.

Salento
17-01-21, 07:14
... R437 could make a decent candidate for my user-name,

... who knows if there were some Latins who resembled Apulians or if it is modern Apulians that resemble some ancient Latins :satisfied:


https://i.imgur.com/AHkCN1G.jpg




R437 scores 3 Apulia, Salento (at the top), is one of them :)
https://i.imgur.com/mbIsgIl.jpg

Carlos
17-01-21, 15:13
... R437 could make a decent candidate for my user-name,

... who knows if there were some Latins who resembled Apulians or if it is modern Apulians that resemble some ancient Latins :satisfied:


https://i.imgur.com/AHkCN1G.jpg


Probably. Rome was not Alabama in the 1940's. There came a time when the need was for statesmen not tribesmen. If even today we sometimes cannot know who our ancestor was from 300 years ago at that time, the plain people less so, perhaps the wealthy classes who would claim a glorious origin and even be related to mythology and hide what they were not interested in about their origin and even invent what they were interested in.

Salento
17-01-21, 17:24
Probably. Rome was not Alabama in the 1940's. There came a time when the need was for statesmen not tribesmen. If even today we sometimes cannot know who our ancestor was from 300 years ago at that time, the plain people less so, perhaps the wealthy classes who would claim a glorious origin and even be related to mythology and hide what they were not interested in about their origin and even invent what they were interested in.

I emphasize samples that resemble the bulk of my ancestry, though I also post some of the more distant samples, which I consider not very important, but they're there for some reason.

... not all, but stories passed down in families originate from some events, or rumors based on those events.
I find these stories interesting, ... even those linked to Napoleon's Army.

... I could upgrade to 500+ samples, but then ... I would probably match a Gorilla :)

Duarte
17-01-21, 17:44
I emphasize samples that resemble the bulk of my ancestry, though I also post some of the more distant samples, which I consider not very important, but they're there for some reason.

... not all, but stories passed down in families originate from some events, or rumors based on those events.
I find these stories interesting, ... even those linked to Napoleon's Army.

... I could upgrade to 500+ samples, but then ... I would probably match a Gorilla :)

"You share 50 percent of your DNA with each of your parents. But with bananas, we share about 50 percent of our genes, which turns out to be only about 1 percent of our DNA," emails Mike Francis, a Ph. D. :petrified:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/people-bananas-share-dna.htm#:~:text=%22You%20share%2050%20percent%20of ,D.

:laughing:

Salento
17-01-21, 17:56
"You share 50 percent of your DNA with each of your parents. But with bananas, we share about 50 percent of our genes, which turns out to be only about 1 percent of our DNA," emails Mike Francis, a Ph. D. :petrified:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/genetic/people-bananas-share-dna.htm#:~:text=%22You%20share%2050%20percent%20of ,D.

:laughing:

:laughing: :good_job:

we ate bananas before playing Soccer to prevent Cramps :)

Carlos
17-01-21, 18:30
I emphasize samples that resemble the bulk of my ancestry, though I also post some of the more distant samples, which I consider not very important, but they're there for some reason.

... not all, but stories passed down in families originate from some events, or rumors based on those events.
I find these stories interesting, ... even those linked to Napoleon's Army.

... I could upgrade to 500+ samples, but then ... I would probably match a Gorilla :)

I assure you that with a gorilla you are not going to match because we do not have their samples in MTA. lol


There are people who are making sense of a familiar fact and not only by oral tradition but totally verified with the latest MTA samples and there it was, in that 500 and a half and thanks to MTA since other companies had not shown it at least until today.

Carlos
17-01-21, 21:17
Updating my queue


549. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK261
Pict + Saxon (2.167)

550. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.94 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (4.77)

551. Viking Denmark Odense
1058 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.97 - G507
Viking Danish (Genetic match)

552. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2660 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.98 - MX190
Celt + Ostrogoth (2.61)

553. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.0 - PCA133_Niemcza19
Gallo-Roman + Thracian (16.05)

554. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - G658
Viking Icelandic + Celt (3.476)

555. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - 6DRIF-23
Celt (4.685)

556. Viking Age Gotland Kopparsvik Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - VK468
Viking Danish + Saxon (2.219)

557. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001
Phoenician + Balari (13.79)

558. North Sea Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.05 - G417
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (5.879)

559. Medieval Denmark
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.11 - G943b
Scythian + Boii (10.77)

560. Bronze Age Czech Moravska Nova Ves
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.13 - I5044
Celt + Belgae (3.685)

561. Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.15 - G24
Saxon + Frank (4.389)

562. Bronze Age Female Haunstetten Germany
2030 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.17 - POST_99
Celt + Alemanni (5.151)

563. Neolithic Scotland
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.21 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (5.906)

564. Iron Age Besenyszog Hungary
180 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.21 - I20752
Celt + Vascones (7.71)

565. Bell Beaker Amesbury
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.22 - I2566
Celt + Ostrogoth (7.015)

566. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.23 - VK166
Viking Norwegian + Frank (3.825)

567. Medieval Netherlands Plague II
1360 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.24 - Ber45
Celt + Frank (3.473)

568. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - R107
Roman (Genetic match)

569. Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - 6DRIF-21
Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.366)

570. Early Bronze Age Northern England
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - I6680
Celt (4.482)

571. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.27 - SI-53
Crusader (Genetic match)

572. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.37 - SI-41
Crusader (Genetic match)

573. Neolithic Villedubert France
2780 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - PEI2
Iberian + Balari (1.735)

574. Proto-Celtic Bronze Age Wehringen
2240 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - WEHR_1192SkA
Celt + Saxon (2.881)

575. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.39 - I3600
Vandal + Ostrogoth (1.638)




Having them, who would be without any of the parties?

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SpcgqN02yAQ/WSP8l7L_PrI/AAAAAAAACcA/SeH3D0SfMg4moCjPOqRFBfwrkTPYxqAIwCLcB/s1600/quimera-de-arezzo.jpg

Salento
18-01-21, 06:29
... never mind, ... deleted :innocent:

torzio
18-01-21, 20:21
Updating my queue


549. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK261
Pict + Saxon (2.167)

550. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.94 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (4.77)

551. Viking Denmark Odense
1058 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.97 - G507
Viking Danish (Genetic match)

552. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2660 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.98 - MX190
Celt + Ostrogoth (2.61)

553. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.0 - PCA133_Niemcza19
Gallo-Roman + Thracian (16.05)

554. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - G658
Viking Icelandic + Celt (3.476)

555. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.02 - 6DRIF-23
Celt (4.685)

556. Viking Age Gotland Kopparsvik Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - VK468
Viking Danish + Saxon (2.219)

557. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.04 - SNN001
Phoenician + Balari (13.79)

558. North Sea Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.05 - G417
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (5.879)

559. Medieval Denmark
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.11 - G943b
Scythian + Boii (10.77)

560. Bronze Age Czech Moravska Nova Ves
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.13 - I5044
Celt + Belgae (3.685)

561. Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.15 - G24
Saxon + Frank (4.389)

562. Bronze Age Female Haunstetten Germany
2030 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.17 - POST_99
Celt + Alemanni (5.151)

563. Neolithic Scotland
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.21 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (5.906)

564. Iron Age Besenyszog Hungary
180 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.21 - I20752
Celt + Vascones (7.71)

565. Bell Beaker Amesbury
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.22 - I2566
Celt + Ostrogoth (7.015)

566. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.23 - VK166
Viking Norwegian + Frank (3.825)

567. Medieval Netherlands Plague II
1360 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.24 - Ber45
Celt + Frank (3.473)

568. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - R107
Roman (Genetic match)

569. Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - 6DRIF-21
Viking Icelandic + Frank (5.366)

570. Early Bronze Age Northern England
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - I6680
Celt (4.482)

571. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.27 - SI-53
Crusader (Genetic match)

572. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.37 - SI-41
Crusader (Genetic match)

573. Neolithic Villedubert France
2780 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - PEI2
Iberian + Balari (1.735)

574. Proto-Celtic Bronze Age Wehringen
2240 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - WEHR_1192SkA
Celt + Saxon (2.881)

575. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.39 - I3600
Vandal + Ostrogoth (1.638)




Having them, who would be without any of the parties?

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SpcgqN02yAQ/WSP8l7L_PrI/AAAAAAAACcA/SeH3D0SfMg4moCjPOqRFBfwrkTPYxqAIwCLcB/s1600/quimera-de-arezzo.jpg




that statue represents the Lycian people of SW Asia Minor

Carlos
18-01-21, 21:27
@torzio

Here in the West I am more used to seeing eagles on national flags, current, old e.t.c. even when I have traveled to other countries. In the shields of surnames maybe you see more good mammals in the shield of the flag of Andalusia also there are two lions, but a mythological bug is not often seen as representative of some place.

Salento
19-01-21, 08:24
@torzio

Here in the West I am more used to seeing eagles on national flags, current, old e.t.c. even when I have traveled to other countries. In the shields of surnames maybe you see more good mammals in the shield of the flag of Andalusia also there are two lions, but a mythological bug is not often seen as representatOnly because the White House was around the cornerive of some place.

sometimes animal symbols come out of nothing,

... a bunch of tourists taking pictures of a White Squirrel, ...
and one of them said it was a symbol of the United States of America, just because the White House was around the corner :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

https://i.imgur.com/WCDcrcm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7VbxrAq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rdfzuow.jpg

Salento
19-01-21, 08:46
I haven't changed much in the last 2,000 years,

... I still hang out once in a while where the world's power players are :)

https://i.imgur.com/ye6xzVx.jpg

Carlos
19-01-21, 14:58
sometimes animal symbols come out of nothing,

... a bunch of tourists taking pictures of a White Squirrel, ...
and one of them said it was a symbol of the United States of America, just because the White House was around the corner :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

https://i.imgur.com/WCDcrcm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7VbxrAq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rdfzuow.jpg


The symbolism that could be thought of is that there has been a theft from the White House.

Salento
20-01-21, 07:39
Medieval Age map vs 1850 Chieti Genetic Group:

https://i.imgur.com/9bLWYET.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KXHkmsU.jpg

Carlos
20-01-21, 15:25
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8kfpHXHsOQk/YAiQQM2kthI/AAAAAAAAFwQ/jM6lNa-19V4TMfi-0ZioxuaNOmaUkLRygCLcBGAsYHQ/s766/LateRomanEmpireR107.JPEG



Kit Carlos
vs Kit: Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (R107)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iD68EuShzEA/YAgrroe3qCI/AAAAAAAAFwA/PLqAnVSoDdUxrHeVj42AcxWgR9JaoGvxQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitVSlateRomanE1bR107.JPEG

Kit: Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (R107) vs Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R473)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dJw1OoyUK2c/YAguLfl8A2I/AAAAAAAAFwI/6HGtuizf0K0q-i_TwB250OA_g-cuK_vpACLcBGAsYHQ/s643/kitLateRomanR107VSetruscanR473.jpeg

Salento
21-01-21, 00:45
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8kfpHXHsOQk/YAiQQM2kthI/AAAAAAAAFwQ/jM6lNa-19V4TMfi-0ZioxuaNOmaUkLRygCLcBGAsYHQ/s766/LateRomanEmpireR107.JPEG



Kit Carlos
vs Kit: Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (R107)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iD68EuShzEA/YAgrroe3qCI/AAAAAAAAFwA/PLqAnVSoDdUxrHeVj42AcxWgR9JaoGvxQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/MikitVSlateRomanE1bR107.JPEG

Kit: Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (R107) vs Kit: Etruscan Civitavecchia (R473)


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dJw1OoyUK2c/YAguLfl8A2I/AAAAAAAAFwI/6HGtuizf0K0q-i_TwB250OA_g-cuK_vpACLcBGAsYHQ/s643/kitLateRomanR107VSetruscanR473.jpeg

R107 Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi

... plots with Puglia / Abruzzo - I think.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210120/8a237b7e0b0f9d7088f528df58ae06d7.jpeg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210120/1cc318bea88ad5073a1b883908f60099.jpeg

Carlos
21-01-21, 01:10
At Deep Dive I have the R105

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PE27r5Aqp9Y/XsjZRy9yxhI/AAAAAAAAD3o/FEqTknpkGyApgg8TiGx1Oahs8-AnkFxlgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/LateRomanMixCryptaBalbiR105.JPEG

Salento
21-01-21, 01:35
At Deep Dive I have the R105

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PE27r5Aqp9Y/XsjZRy9yxhI/AAAAAAAAD3o/FEqTknpkGyApgg8TiGx1Oahs8-AnkFxlgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/LateRomanMixCryptaBalbiR105.JPEG
R105 and R107 could be related (chrome 8 - 20), someone in their family looked like a mix of you and me, ... he was obviously a Strong Good Looking Genius :)

Carlos
21-01-21, 03:59
R105 and R107 could be related (chrome 8 - 20), someone in their family looked like a mix of you and me, ... he was obviously a Strong Good Looking Genius :)

Without a doubt, a unique and exceptional being hated by a few and loved by many.

R105 vs R107
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KZEQpw1l3S0/YAjPailS1fI/AAAAAAAAFwo/Rbnd3Iw8YNwFNM-pjzprhcW2xL_R5AZFgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Kit105to107.jpeg



My chromatic. Perhaps nature will never have such a magnificent opportunity again.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kDFd0rPDi7U/YAjeWJTv1UI/AAAAAAAAFww/kT0Un693FKYt8E6QuZw4yvwmb05WspGNQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1213/CromacompletoDiciembre2021.jpeg

On chromosome 8 I have an Iberian and Celtic group and on chromosome 20 I have a Gallo Roman

Salento
21-01-21, 06:27
Without a doubt, a unique and exceptional being hated by a few and loved by many.

R105 vs R107
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KZEQpw1l3S0/YAjPailS1fI/AAAAAAAAFwo/Rbnd3Iw8YNwFNM-pjzprhcW2xL_R5AZFgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Kit105to107.jpeg



My chromatic. Perhaps nature will never have such a magnificent opportunity again.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kDFd0rPDi7U/YAjeWJTv1UI/AAAAAAAAFww/kT0Un693FKYt8E6QuZw4yvwmb05WspGNQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1213/CromacompletoDiciembre2021.jpeg

On chromosome 8 I have an Iberian and Celtic group and on chromosome 20 I have a Gallo Roman

R107 on chrome 20 and 8

Chr. 20 :
https://i.imgur.com/MyriV8G.jpg


Chr. 8 Village :
https://i.imgur.com/vNk9GZx.jpg

Gallo Roman SZ28:
https://i.imgur.com/o4kAhRd.jpg

Salento
21-01-21, 21:55
Gallo Roman closest Group
... not, ... but what do I know ...

https://i.imgur.com/q4QGTul.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/X8vXGBn.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/zzdXbgv.jpg

Salento
22-01-21, 20:43
... Chrome sharing: Latin R437 + two Central Romans + two Foggia VK:
https://i.imgur.com/GR8a1BI.jpg


Chrome Sharing: Central Roman CL36 + Hellenic Roman SZ40
https://i.imgur.com/X6o5lYJ.jpg

torzio
23-01-21, 18:00
Loaded my sons data


1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.445 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users



2. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.549 - CL36 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



3. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.369 - SZ43
Top 99 % match vs all users



4. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.084 - SZ36
Top 99 % match vs all users



5. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.479 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users



6. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.056 - NS3c
Top 99 % match vs all users



7. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.27 - R970
Top 99 % match vs all users



8. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.306 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users



9. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.516 - SZ1
Top 99 % match vs all users



10. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.625 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users



11. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.921 - scy197b
Top 99 % match vs all users



12. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.056 - R36
Top 99 % match vs all users



13. Scythian Southern Moldova
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.109 - scy192
Top 99 % match vs all users





Roman + Illyrian (3.211)
Gaul + Roman (4.018)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.365)
Al-Andalus + Roman (5.322)
Roman (5.549)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.168)
Gallo-Roman (7.479)
Illyrian (8.625)


others beyond 13.00


mine below

Roman + Illyrian (5.912)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.381)
Gaul + Roman (6.586)
Gaul + Roman Hispania (6.926)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (7.254)
Gallo-Roman (7.332)
Illyrian (8.937)
Roman (9.695)
Gaul (11.97)
Roman Hispania (13.23)

(https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)

Salento
24-01-21, 05:32
... matching post #3425 (Torzio) ... from my deep dive ‘Genetic Social Groups’ ... meet some of my ancient cousins :)

https://i.imgur.com/x1TKx15.jpg

Salento
24-01-21, 06:49
interesting, ... Otzi:

... “it is thought if you have ancestors stem from the region between Sardinia and the Alps, there is a chance you could be related to Ötzi” ...

https://i.imgur.com/dM4AR5h.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/mT8FbM0.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/pEs0YUh.jpg

Duarte
24-01-21, 17:21
Gallo Roman closest Group
... not, ... but what do I know ...

https://i.imgur.com/q4QGTul.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/X8vXGBn.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/zzdXbgv.jpg

This “chroma analysis” function is cool. I've never experienced it before. I chose the two more common segments shown in my specific case, in the 22 chromosome lines. The populations are Gallo-Romans, first, and Visigoths, next.

https://i.imgur.com/MFNTxoA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mk4LNRX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CSa14aG.jpg

Carlos
24-01-21, 19:44
^^

How do you get the window to stay fixed when taking the screenshot because when I move the mouse it immediately goes away.

Salento
24-01-21, 20:45
^^

How do you get the window to stay fixed when taking the screenshot because when I move the mouse it immediately goes away.

my PC:
- Zoom out (decrease browser fonts / size
- click a chromosome segment
- on the Keyboard press the “Windows Logo” and the “Print Sreen” (PrtSc SysRq) at the same time.

... though the samples disappear, the image with the samples should be in the Picture —> Screenshots folder.

iPhone: just take screenshots :)

Palermo Trapani
24-01-21, 21:07
my PC:
- Zoom out (decrease browser fonts / size
- click a chromosome segment
- on the Keyboard press the “Windows Logo” and the “Print Sreen” (PrtSc SysRq) at the same time.

... though the samples disappear, the image with the samples should be in the Picture —> Screenshots folder.

iPhone: just take screenshots :)

I always have wondered the same thing Salento that Carlos asked you. Thanks for the explanation.

Cheers :good_job:

Duarte
24-01-21, 21:14
Hi @PT and @ Carlos.
Thanks by answer @Salento.

Carlos
24-01-21, 21:47
@Salento
@Duarte
Merci

I have chosen Al Andalus for the screenshot test, I say to see what I was doing around that time.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wmifOa64mF4/YA3LbWyIeNI/AAAAAAAAFxE/uszakX55_kEWZdbTI9g04PljZYtFIds7gCLcBGAsYHQ/s1366/AlAndalus.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-O5h935P8jBQ/YA3LiihceOI/AAAAAAAAFxI/KQmELkSDNiUQMrfvMPtLb16-MRb9EPyCgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1366/AlAndalus2%252Cjpeg.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M5rbNS4_Rx8/YA3LplbTwgI/AAAAAAAAFxM/zxr2mrogiLMlgbeXjVcvkx1bK_HqsDepACLcBGAsYHQ/s1366/AlAndalus3.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fUQzHZHPqkM/YA3Lx_cqfBI/AAAAAAAAFxU/YvxaULJcL6MwZL8lyc78aEWGVObZ71BLACLcBGAsYHQ/s1366/AlAndalus4.jpeg
I see myself as very local, after Ullastret it would be necessary to save the bogeyman, I will omit Belgae.

Palermo Trapani
24-01-21, 22:46
Hi @PT and @ Carlos.
Thanks by answer @Salento.

Hi Duarte, Carlos, Salento. Not sure I wished you all a Merry Christmas and Happy New Years, but here is a late one. Still checking in everyday here but haven't seen many threads that I post in. I went ahead and bought the Admixture Studio as it allows me to run my NAT GENO DNA, which is in Excel format (Can't run it on GED MATCH). I also went ahead and decided to do the 23 and Me. Seems from what I read in a thread about 23 and Me results is that their reference populations are much better and more robust than the earlier ones they had so looking forward to it.

With respect to 23 and Me, how much do they tell you about Y DNA and Mtdna haplogroups. I know they give you the basic Y DNA but do they give any sub-clade details. Their Health report seems excellent and I think they still give a Neanderthal variant estimate.

Cheers, PT

Salento
24-01-21, 23:07
... all “chroma analysis” samples imply a tangible genetic relationship amongst the samples and us (continuity), ... besides proof of Immortality :)

Salento
24-01-21, 23:37
@PT 23andme gave me the same y and mtDNA as NatGeo, though as of now my final y clades is 3 mutations below that, and only one to my mtDNA final.

Carlos
24-01-21, 23:43
... all “chroma analysis” samples imply a tangible genetic relationship amongst the samples and us (continuity), ... besides proof of Immortality :)

@Palermo Trapani Happy New Year

@Salento Direct route with these samples

Yes

Palermo Trapani
25-01-21, 01:00
@PT 23andme gave me the same y and mtDNA as NatGeo, though as of now my final y clades is 3 mutations below that, and only one to my mtDNA final.

Salento: Ok, that sounds good. Thanks. So at best, all I will get with respect to Y and MtDNA is a corroboration of what NAT GENO gave me, which is ok with me. The Health report for 23 and Me I think was worth it by itself, along with Neanderthal Variants and of course you get another ethnicity report.

Looks like I will eventually have to go the route Duarte suggested and do the BIG Y at Ftdna to get deeper subclade analysis on the Y and I guess something similar on the mtDNA.

Salento
25-01-21, 05:25
@Palermo Trapani Happy New Year

@Salento Direct route with these samples

Yes

yes Carlos, inside us,

... segments of their chromosomes have been inherited by us, but each of us could inherit different segments of the samples, or part of it.

the combinations of chromosome segments shared by the various samples shows that they had Tribal Ancestors in common, and the more segments they share in the various chromosomes, the more plausible and closer the genetic relationship becomes.

Salento
25-01-21, 07:33
... some common ancestry between Latins R437 / R850 and Late Roman R107, because they share multiple segments / positions in different chromosomes.

Roman and Hellenic Roman Mausoleo Augusto R30 / R34 both share some common ancestry with the samples above, but not between the two of them (but they do share a segment position in an other chromosome)

Also worth noting is that the Latin R437 and the Roman Imperial R436 are consecutive on chrome 20 (... both from Praeneste)

https://i.imgur.com/WLxM3tK.jpg


chr 8.b ... all the samples I singled out above, including the two Mausoleo Augusto, plus base sample SZ1 / Otzi, and other samples who share the same place of origin.

https://i.imgur.com/VUKOeOf.jpg

Salento
26-01-21, 07:44
Yale collection:
I should have brought it back with me :smile:

the only known surviving semicylindrical shield (Scutum) used by Roman Legionaries ...

Scutum (Shield) mid-3rd Century AD

https://i.imgur.com/s7VRiu3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iqD7TJt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GY9aEWN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UWGcq4E.jpg

Lion and Eagle

torzio
26-01-21, 08:15
Yale collection:
I should have brought it back with me :smile:

the only known surviving semicylindrical shield (Scutum) used by Roman Legionaries ...

Scutum (Shield) mid-3rd Century AD

https://i.imgur.com/s7VRiu3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/iqD7TJt.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GY9aEWN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UWGcq4E.jpg

Lion and Eagle


we might be from the yellow group
https://i.postimg.cc/Njh3cb4D/balkans-2400-bc.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
26-01-21, 09:14
we might be from the yellow group
https://i.postimg.cc/Njh3cb4D/balkans-2400-bc.png (https://postimages.org/)
It’s likely, ... roughly matches the Mesolithic to Bronze-Age in the migratory map:

https://i.imgur.com/9YZhzgu.jpg

Carlos
27-01-21, 18:00
A review of the history with what seems to me to be the latest acquisitions. So many surprises in these last years, some must have been frozen.


44. Le Pirou Valros Bronze Age France
1630 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.59 - Pir6

1. Southwest_French (10.05)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (10.85)
3. Spanish_Aragon (10.96)
4. Spanish_Basque (11.46)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.29)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (12.42)
7. French_Basque (12.43)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (12.64)

80. Viking Age Bogovej Langeland Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.06 - VK363

1. French (12.97)
2. Southwest_English (13.06)
3. South_Dutch (13.13)
4. Southeast_English (13.97)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (14.78)
6. Irish (14.98)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (15.48)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (15.50)


100. Viking Age Oland Island Sweden
847 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.57 - VK442

1. French (10.66)
2. Southwest_English (11.10)
3. Welsh (11.52)
4. South_Dutch (11.86)
5. Southeast_English (13.15)
6. Flemish (13.18)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (13.69)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (14.51)

128. Viking Age Gotland Kopparsvik Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.31 - VK450

1. Southwest_English (12.50)
2. French (13.53)
3. South_Dutch (13.61)
4. Southeast_English (13.63)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (14.56)
6. Southwest_French (14.58)
7. Irish (14.85)
8. Welsh (15.16)

163. Viking Hesselbjergmarken Denmark
875 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.36 - VK84

1. Southwest_English (14.42)
2. Southeast_English (15.38)
3. French (15.50)
4. Spanish_Cataluna (16.32)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (16.43)
6. Irish (16.62)
7. South_Dutch (16.68)
8. Spanish_Basque (16.82)

166. Early Viking Age Oland Sweden
799 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.43 - VK350

1. Spanish_Basque (13.20)
2. French_Basque (15.21)
3. Southwest_French (15.48)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (16.16)
5. Spanish_Aragon (16.55)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (17.16)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (17.37)
8. Southwest_English (17.79)

178. Bronze Age Early Celt Wartau Switzerland
1651 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.66 - SX20

1. Spanish_Basque (9.294)
2. French_Basque (10.80)
3. Southwest_French (14.80)
4. Spanish_Aragon (15.74)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (16.06)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (17.58)
7. Spanish_Valencia (18.18)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (18.40)

201. Hungary Avar Master Mako-Mikocsa
599 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.31 - MMper227

1. Spanish_Basque (15.57)
2. French_Basque (17.21)
3. Spanish_Cantabria (17.57)
4. Spanish_Aragon (17.82)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (18.66)
6. Southwest_French (18.67)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (19.07)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (19.10)

238. Viking Age Gammel Lejre Sealand Denmark
875 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.93 - VK90

1. Southwest_English (12.88)
2. Welsh (13.64)
3. French (14.27)
4. Southeast_English (14.36)
5. South_Dutch (15.50)
6. Irish (15.61)
7. Flemish (16.03)
8. West_Scottish (16.30)

280. Viking Hesselbjergmarken Denmark
875 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.21 - VK87

1. Southwest_English (5.129)
2. South_Dutch (5.690)
3. Southeast_English (6.111)
4. Flemish (6.917)
5. Irish (8.009)
6. French (8.082)
7. Welsh (8.095)
8. West_German (8.489)

288. Medieval Trondheim Norway
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 19.46 - VK118

1. Southwest_English (5.861)
2. Southeast_English (6.431)
3. Irish (7.058)
4. South_Dutch (7.172)
5. West_Scottish (8.203)
6. North_German (8.272)
7. North_Dutch (9.444)
8. Welsh (9.506)

314. Viking Age Oland Sweden
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.09 - VK346

1. Southwest_English (8.328)
2. Welsh (9.358)
3. Southeast_English (9.518)
4. Irish (10.19)
5. South_Dutch (10.86)
6. West_Scottish (11.12)
7. North_Dutch (12.07)
8. Flemish (12.26)

315. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.22 - G104b

1. South_Dutch (6.302)
2. North_German (7.693)
3. Southwest_English (8.176)
4. Flemish (8.467)
5. Welsh (9.006)
6. West_German (9.176)
7. Southeast_English (9.325)
8. North_Dutch (9.873)

333. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany
2325 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.73 - MX259

1. Southwest_English (6.710)
2. Southeast_English (6.754)
3. Irish (6.831)
4. North_German (8.003)
5. West_Scottish (8.085)
6. South_Dutch (8.516)
7. North_Dutch (9.422)
8. Danish (9.586)

343. Bronze Age Sorsum Germany
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.95 - Sorsum

1. Spanish_Cantabria (20.44)
2. Southwest_French (20.59)
3. Spanish_Aragon (22.70)
4. Spanish_Galicia (23.09)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (23.17)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (23.32)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (23.34)
8. Portuguese (23.49)

349. Viking Age Oland Island Sweden
847 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.07 - VK444

1. Southwest_English (11.57)
2. Southeast_English (12.49)
3. Orcadian (12.83)
4. Irish (13.25)
5. West_Scottish (13.62)
6. Welsh (13.92)
7. North_Dutch (15.68)
8. South_Dutch (15.99)


352. Viking Age Gammel Lejre Sealand Denmark
875 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.1 - VK247

1. Spanish_Basque (12.82)
2. French_Basque (15.91)
3. Southwest_French (20.02)
4. Spanish_Aragon (20.23)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (20.86)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (21.72)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (21.99)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (22.03)

377. Viking Age Kaargarden Denmark
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.64 - VK276

1. Spanish_Basque (14.26)
2. French_Basque (16.85)
3. Spanish_Aragon (21.47)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (21.90)
5. Southwest_French (22.33)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (23.08)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (23.73)
8. Southwest_English (23.91)

379. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.66 - HinxtonO2

1. North_German (9.722)
2. Irish (9.967)
3. Southeast_English (10.27)
4. South_Dutch (10.62)
5. Southwest_English (10.90)
6. West_Scottish (11.17)
7. Danish (12.04)
8. North_Dutch (12.62)

382. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.74 - VK269

1. Southwest_English (13.59)
2. Southeast_English (14.03)
3. Irish (14.50)
4. Orcadian (14.63)
5. West_Scottish (14.77)
6. Welsh (16.81)
7. North_Dutch (17.77)
8. South_Dutch (17.97)

386. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.86 - VK267

1. Southwest_English (14.81)
2. Southeast_English (15.10)
3. Irish (15.32)
4. West_Scottish (15.85)
5. Orcadian (16.31)
6. Welsh (17.63)
7. South_Dutch (18.61)
8. North_Dutch (18.71)

398. Medieval Age Faroe Islands Sandoy Church
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.09 - VK244

1. Spanish_Murcia (17.69)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (17.79)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (18.72)
4. French (19.02)
5. Spanish_Aragon (19.07)
6. Spanish_Valencia (19.24)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (19.27)
8. Portuguese (19.43)

402. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.13 - BIS130

1. Southwest_English (7.029)
2. Southeast_English (7.669)
3. Irish (7.830)
4. West_Scottish (8.749)
5. Orcadian (8.766)
6. North_Dutch (8.890)
7. North_German (9.458)
8. Welsh (9.559)

404. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.15 - VK426

1. Southwest_English (18.64)
2. Southeast_English (19.76)
3. Orcadian (19.88)
4. Welsh (20.38)
5. West_Scottish (20.88)
6. Irish (20.88)
7. French (21.32)
8. South_Dutch (22.57)

408. Iron Age La Monderiere Bessan
125 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - BES1248

1. Southeast_English (12.31)
2. Irish (12.40)
3. Southwest_English (12.89)
4. West_Scottish (12.96)
5. South_Dutch (13.92)
6. North_German (14.27)
7. Danish (14.62)
8. North_Dutch (15.68)

424. Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - VK266

1. Southwest_English (10.48)
2. Irish (10.76)
3. Southeast_English (10.83)
4. West_Scottish (11.46)
5. Orcadian (12.11)
6. Welsh (12.83)
7. North_Dutch (13.68)
8. Danish (14.52)

425. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.59 - VK111

1. Irish (17.01)
2. Southeast_English (17.24)
3. Southwest_English (17.33)
4. West_Scottish (17.90)
5. Spanish_Basque (18.49)
6. Orcadian (19.52)
7. South_Dutch (19.90)
8. Welsh (20.43)

437. Viking Age Gammel Lejre Sealand Denmark
900 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - VK94

1. Southwest_English (9.566)
2. Welsh (9.727)
3. Orcadian (11.01)
4. Southeast_English (11.22)
5. West_Scottish (12.33)
6. Irish (12.69)
7. Flemish (13.57)
8. North_Dutch (13.58)

440. Late Neolithic Auvernier Switzerland
2734 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.94 - MX304

1. Spanish_Galicia (20.68)
2. Welsh (21.08)
3. French (21.21)
4. Southwest_French (21.83)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (21.86)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (21.91)
7. East_German (22.20)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (22.22)

442. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57

1. North_German (8.450)
2. South_Dutch (9.863)
3. Irish (9.979)
4. Southeast_English (10.09)
5. Danish (10.74)
6. West_Scottish (10.83)
7. Southwest_English (10.84)
8. North_Dutch (11.9)

450. Medieval Denmark Odense
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.2 - G120

1. Irish (17.17)
2. North_German (17.72)
3. Southeast_English (17.73)
4. Southwest_English (17.89)
5. South_Dutch (18.00)
6. West_Scottish (18.58)
7. North_Dutch (19.69)
8. Danish (19.98)

455. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.26 - VK39

1. Southwest_English (13.65)
2. Irish (13.68)
3. Southeast_English (13.83)
4. West_Scottish (14.32)
5. Orcadian (15.00)
6. Welsh (16.11)
7. North_Dutch (16.87)
8. Danish (17.56)

457. Ollsjo Battleaxe Sweden
2860 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.3 - oll007

1. Irish (6.785)
2. North_German (6.840)
3. Southeast_English (7.249)
4. Southwest_English (7.626)
5. West_Scottish (7.959)
6. Danish (8.358)
7. North_Dutch (8.471)
8. South_Dutch (8.996)

463. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - GRS-A1

1. Irish (8.087)
2. Southwest_English (8.306)
3. Southeast_English (8.461)
4. West_Scottish (9.129)
5. Welsh (9.691)
6. North_Dutch (9.925)
7. North_German (10.45)
8. Danish (10.54)

470. Grotte du Rouquet Moujan France
3080 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.59 - ROUQV

1. Spanish_Cantabria (23.98)
2. Spanish_Galicia (24.16)
3. Portuguese (25.05)
4. Southwest_French (25.92)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (26.37)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (26.40)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (26.48)
8. Spanish_Aragon (26.91)

471. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932


1. Spanish_Galicia (23.82)
2. Portuguese (24.71)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (24.73)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (24.86)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (25.90)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (26.26)
7. Spanish_Murcia (26.68)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (26.78)

477. Late Iron Age Tollemosegard Denmark
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.7 - VK65

1. Southwest_English (15.04)
2. Orcadian (15.69)
3. Southeast_English (15.71)
4. Irish (16.19)
5. West_Scottish (16.33)
6. Welsh (17.00)
7. North_Dutch (18.89)
8. Danish (19.65)

478. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391

1. Spanish_Basque (13.96)
2. French_Basque (17.62)
3. Spanish_Aragon (23.48)
4. Southwest_French (24.39)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (24.62)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (24.92)
7. Spanish_Valencia (25.53)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (26.19)

483. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - KT29

1. Irish (11.28)
2. Southeast_English (12.23)
3. West_Scottish (12.36)
4. Southwest_English (12.68)
5. Orcadian (13.99)
6. North_Dutch (14.28)
7. North_German (14.60)
8. Danish (14.99)

489. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age
67 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI1

1. Southwest_English (4.505)
2. Southeast_English (4.893)
3. West_Scottish (5.733)
4. Irish (5.779)
5. Danish (5.802)
6. North_Dutch (6.163)
7. Welsh (6.918)
8. Orcadian (7.215)

490. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2

1. Irish (4.520)
2. Southeast_English (5.668)
3. West_Scottish (5.851)
4. North_German (6.569)
5. Southwest_English (6.713)
6. North_Dutch (7.300)
7. Danish (7.354)
8. Orcadian (8.142)

494. Celtic-Mix Visigoth Girona Spain
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.88 - I12164


1. Southeast_English (12.52)
2. Southwest_English (12.53)
3. Orcadian (13.07)
4. Irish (13.40)
5. West_Scottish (13.58)
6. Welsh (14.95)
7. North_Dutch (15.67)
8. Flemish (16.06)

500. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.94 - VK123

1. Irish (7.566)
2. Southeast_English (7.729)
3. West_Scottish (7.798)
4. Southwest_English (7.960)
5. Orcadian (8.891)
6. North_Dutch (10.74)
7. Danish (11.00)
8. Welsh (11.20)

501. Celtic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.95 - G973


1. Irish (8.640)
2. North_German (9.279)
3. Southeast_English (9.526)
4. West_Scottish (9.665)
5. Southwest_English (10.41)
6. North_Dutch (10.86)
7. Danish (11.08)
8. Orcadian (11.27)

504. Battle Axe Abekas Sweden
1890 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - Rise179

1. Irish (14.62)
2. Southwest_English (15.05)
3. Southeast_English (15.22)
4. West_Scottish (15.90)
5. Welsh (16.03)
6. North_German (16.39)
7. North_Dutch (16.64)
8. South_Dutch (16.78)

505. Roman Mix San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.02 - R118

1. North_Italian (13.38)
2. Tuscan (13.53)
3. Portuguese (17.11)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (17.52)
5. Spanish_Murcia (17.53)
6. West_Sicilian (17.83)
7. Spanish_Galicia (17.95)
8. Italian_Abruzzo (18.50)

513. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.14 - SZ14

1. North_German (7.835)
2. North_Dutch (8.417)
3. Irish (8.944)
4. Southwest_English (9.023)
5. Southeast_English (9.226)
6. Welsh (9.806)
7. Danish (9.964)
8. South_Dutch (10.01)

514. Late Medieval Icelandic Murderer
1678 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.15 - KOV-A2

1. Southwest_English (5.920)
2. Southeast_English (6.689)
3. Welsh (7.110)
4. West_Scottish (7.454)
5. Irish (7.736)
6. Danish (7.861)
7. North_Dutch (8.092)
8. Orcadian (8.399)

515. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.16 - I5441

1. Southeast_English (12.15)
2. West_Scottish (12.40)
3. Irish (12.61)
4. Southwest_English (12.94)
5. Orcadian (14.01)
6. Danish (14.79)
7. South_Dutch (15.66)
8. North_Dutch (15.99)

516. Neolithic Ireland
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.17 - CAK531

1. Spanish_Cantabria (24.25)
2. French_Basque (24.95)
3. Spanish_Aragon (25.22)
4. Southwest_French (25.33)
5. Sardinian (26.00)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (26.25)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (26.85)
8. Spanish_Valencia (27.52)

518. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.22 - ros3

1. Sardinian (21.29)
2. French_Basque (22.29)
3. Spanish_Aragon (23.00)
4. Southwest_French (23.29)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (23.37)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (23.86)
7. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (24.21)
8. Spanish_Valencia (25.00)

520. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.32 - KT32

1. Irish (13.44)
2. Southeast_English (13.90)
3. West_Scottish (14.01)
4. Southwest_English (15.09)
5. North_German (15.12)
6. Danish (15.77)
7. South_Dutch (15.83)
8. Orcadian (16.86)

523. Iron Age North Sardinia
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.38 - I16163

1. Sardinian (13.19)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (21.92)
3. Spanish_Cantabria (22.69)
4. Spanish_Aragon (22.75)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (23.22)
6. Spanish_Valencia (23.53)
7. Southwest_French (23.58)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (24.35)

524. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.42 - SZ42

1. Southeast_English (3.255)
2. Danish (3.737)
3. West_Scottish (4.092)
4. Irish (4.170)
5. Southwest_English (4.215)
6. North_Dutch (4.628)
7. North_German (5.220)
8. Orcadian (6.038)

529. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.52 - R57

1. Tuscan (9.781)
2. Italian_Abruzzo (11.51)
3. West_Sicilian (12.69)
4. Albanian_Tosk (13.40)
5. North_Italian (13.42)
6. Central_Greek (14.03)
7. East_Sicilian (14.32)
8. South_Italian (14.46)

531. Viking Age Galgedil Funen Denmark
925 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.53 - VK138

1. Southwest_English (15.46)
2. Southeast_English (15.76)
3. Orcadian (15.79)
4. Irish (15.96)
5. West_Scottish (16.12)
6. Welsh (17.96)
7. North_Dutch (19.01)
8. Danish (19.62)

539. Early Viking Age Oland Sweden
829 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.75 - VK349

1. Irish (12.83)
2. West_Scottish (13.01)
3. Southeast_English (13.11)
4. Southwest_English (13.82)
5. Orcadian (14.32)
6. Danish (16.38)
7. North_Dutch (16.73)
8. North_German (17.66)

541. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.79 - G48

1. Irish (5.189)
2. Danish (5.203)
3. Southeast_English (5.323)
4. North_Dutch (5.617)
5. West_Scottish (5.639)
6. Southwest_English (5.706)
7. North_German (5.895)
8. Welsh (7.628)

542. Middle Bronze Age Dorset England
1446 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.8 - I3082

1. Irish (8.016)
2. West_Scottish (8.686)
3. Southeast_English (8.728)
4. Southwest_English (8.946)
5. Orcadian (9.909)
6. North_Dutch (10.68)
7. Welsh (11.14)
8. Danish (11.48)

543. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.83 - BIS385

1. Flemish (6.235)
2. Southeast_English (7.080)
3. Danish (7.268)
4. South_Dutch (7.674)
5. Southwest_English (7.709)
6. North_German (7.827)
7. West_German (7.829)
8. North_Dutch (7.833)

548. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - Linton

1. Southwest_English (4.808)
2. Southeast_English (5.292)
3. West_Scottish (5.767)
4. Orcadian (5.884)
5. Welsh (6.112)
6. North_Dutch (6.237)
7. Irish (6.317)
8. Danish (6.381)

549. Bronze Age Boscombe Airfield England
1680 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.91 - I2464

1. Austrian (18.54)
2. Southwest_French (19.86)
3. East_German (20.51)
4. Czech (20.83)
5. South_Dutch (22.17)
6. Croatian (22.44)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (23.04)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (23.35)

550. Viking Age Staraya Ladoga
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK218

1. Irish (9.950)
2. West_Scottish (10.54)
3. Southeast_English (10.78)
4. Southwest_English (11.65)
5. Orcadian (12.47)
6. Danish (13.66)
7. North_Dutch (13.69)
8. North_German (14.49)

551. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.92 - VK261

1. Irish (9.013)
2. West_Scottish (9.322)
3. Southeast_English (9.601)
4. Southwest_English (10.19)
5. Orcadian (10.43)
6. North_Dutch (12.50)
7. Danish (12.75)
8. Welsh (13.60)

552. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.94 - I7554

1. Sardinian (16.68)
2. Spanish_Aragon (23.47)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (23.48)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (23.93)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (24.19)
6. Southwest_French (24.67)
7. Spanish_Valencia (25.12)
8. French_Basque (25.45)

554. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2660 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.98 - MX190

1. North_German (7.639)
2. North_Dutch (9.500)
3. Irish (9.681)
4. Danish (10.04)
5. Southeast_English (10.21)
6. Southwest_English (10.21)
7. South_Dutch (10.38)
8. Welsh (10.70)

555. Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.0 - PCA133_Niemcza19

1. Spanish_Galicia (22.24)
2. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (23.50)
3. Portuguese (23.96)
4. Southwest_French (24.08)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (24.54)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (24.68)
7. French (25.00)
8. East_German (25.01)

560. North Sea Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.05 - G417

1. Southwest_English (8.300)
2. Southeast_English (8.396)
3. Danish (8.878)
4. West_Scottish (8.940)
5. Orcadian (9.050)
6. North_Dutch (9.677)
7. Irish (9.738)
8. Welsh (10.02)

561. Medieval Denmark
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.11 - G943b

1. East_German (14.73)
2. Hungarian (15.37)
3. Croatian (16.48)
4. Austrian (16.74)
5. Slovenian (17.59)
6. Ukrainian_Lviv (17.84)
7. German_Central (17.89)
8. Moldavian (18.29)

562. Bronze Age Czech Moravska Nova Ves
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.13 - I5044

1. Irish (9.322)
2. West_Scottish (10.32)
3. Southeast_English (10.55)
4. Southwest_English (11.60)
5. North_German (12.43)
6. Danish (12.66)
7. North_Dutch (12.71)
8. Orcadian (12.95)

563. Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.15 - G24

1. Southeast_English (7.331)
2. North_Dutch (7.361)
3. Southwest_English (7.697)
4. Danish (7.720)
5. North_German (7.742)
6. Flemish (7.809)
7. Welsh (7.998)
8. Irish (8.057)

564. Bronze Age Female Haunstetten Germany
2030 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.17 - POST_99

1. Orcadian (13.02)
2. Southwest_English (13.45)
3. Southeast_English (13.69)
4. West_Scottish (13.86)
5. Irish (14.27)
6. Welsh (16.28)
7. North_Dutch (16.96)
8. Danish (17.14)

566. Iron Age Besenyszog Hungary
180 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.21 - I20752

1. Spanish_Basque (19.82)
2. Irish (19.91)
3. Southeast_English (20.54)
4. Southwest_English (20.99)
5. West_Scottish (21.02)
6. North_German (22.23)
7. South_Dutch (22.28)
8. French_Basque (22.40)

567. Bell Beaker Amesbury
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.22 - I2566

1. North_German (9.059)
2. Irish (9.777)
3. Southeast_English (10.44)
4. West_Scottish (10.53)
5. Danish (10.63)
6. South_Dutch (11.69)
7. Southwest_English (11.80)
8. North_Dutch (11.91)

568. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.23 - VK166

1. Welsh (4.546)
2. North_Dutch (6.086)
3. Southwest_English (6.636)
4. Norwegian (6.739)
5. Danish (7.254)
6. Southeast_English (7.769)
7. Swedish (7.790)
8. North_German (7.953)

569. Medieval Netherlands Plague II
1360 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.24 - Ber45

1. Danish (5.508)
2. Southeast_English (5.739)
3. Southwest_English (6.672)
4. North_Dutch (6.793)
5. West_Scottish (6.823)
6. Flemish (6.978)
7. Irish (7.388)
8. North_German (7.409)

570. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - R107

1. Tuscan (6.197)
2. West_Sicilian (8.511)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (10.30)
4. Albanian_Tosk (10.81)
5. North_Italian (11.15)
6. Greek (11.62)
7. East_Sicilian (12.01)
8. Central_Greek (12.50)

571. Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - 6DRIF-21

1. North_German (5.991)
2. Danish (8.421)
3. North_Dutch (9.022)
4. South_Dutch (9.114)
5. Southeast_English (9.675)
6. Irish (9.822)
7. Southwest_English (10.04)
8. West_Scottish (10.20)

572. Early Bronze Age Northern England
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.25 - I6680

1. West_Scottish (6.765)
2. Irish (6.995)
3. Southeast_English (7.111)
4. Danish (7.772)
5. Orcadian (7.832)
6. Southwest_English (8.270)
7. North_German (8.417)
8. North_Dutch (8.686)

573. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.27 - SI-53

1. Tuscan (13.13)
2. West_Sicilian (13.22)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (14.44)
4. Maltese (15.00)
5. North_Italian (15.60)
6. Greek (16.25)
7. Kosovar (17.16)
8. East_Sicilian (17.23)

574. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.37 - SI-41

1. Italian_Abruzzo (12.59)
2. Tuscan (12.82)
3. West_Sicilian (14.53)
4. North_Italian (16.20)
5. East_Sicilian (16.34)
6. Central_Greek (16.92)
7. Albanian_Tosk (17.41)
8. Kosovar (17.76)

575. Neolithic Villedubert France
2780 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - PEI2

1. Sardinian (23.95)
2. French_Basque (24.21)
3. Spanish_Cantabria (25.16)
4. Spanish_Aragon (25.34)
5. Southwest_French (25.77)
6. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (26.49)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (26.75)
8. Spanish_Basque (27.30)

Salento
28-01-21, 04:17
... Edit:

https://i.imgur.com/TJN8HMu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Jq26wG4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Rt7TNBi.jpg

Salento
29-01-21, 06:03
Praeneste:

Roman R436 and Latin R437 share SNPs on my chromes:
1 - 8 - 20
... The more segments and longer the chains, the greater mathematical confidence exists of shared ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/zddQSvT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GIJsgSE.jpg

Salento
29-01-21, 17:03
deep dive chrome:
my Praeneste vs Ardea

https://i.imgur.com/ad5E33W.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/q6vAymp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/EN54GPY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cPWataW.jpg

Emal
30-01-21, 18:06
8. Central Roman / Mixed
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.38 - SZ19
Top
99 %
match vs all users


Goodmorning, Does anyone have this sample in common like me?
I read the paper, in my opinion it must belong to a woman kidnapped by barbarians after invading Italy.

Emal
30-01-21, 18:12
Anyone who has these samples close like me?


1. Iron Age Phoenician Settler Sardinia
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.522 - I10366
Top
99 %
match vs all users



2. Sicily Beaker
2200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.556 - I4930
Top
99 %
match vs all users



3. Thracian Bulgaria
450 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.207 - I5769
Top
99 %
match vs all users



4. Mycenaean Galatas
1350 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.298 - I9010
Top
99 %
match vs all users



5. Ashkelon Philistine
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.413 - ASH068_ASH_IA1
Top
99 %
match vs all users



6. Minoan Moni Odigitria
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.984 - I9130
Top
100 %
match vs all users



7. Sicily Buffa II Bronze Age
1550 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.09 - I3125
Top
99 %
match vs all users

Emal
30-01-21, 18:14
Why are there no Greek samples from the post-Mycenaean period on mytrueancestry?

Emal
30-01-21, 18:20
Anyone have deep diving with Imperial Rome Centocelle samples like R47? Interestingly, this area was inhabited by the praetorian guard of the emperor Constantine, and there was the villa of the mother empress, could these samples therefore be referred to praetorians, inhabitants of the villa or slaves?

Emal
30-01-21, 18:29
​But the DNA samples with which we share cM, are our certenly direct ascendants, or can they be relatives more or less close to our direct ascendants?

Emal
30-01-21, 18:36
The Roman samples, however, do not give the certainty that they are really Roman, the study Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean, does not say whether those samples are real Roman citizens or slaves deported to Rome.

Duarte
30-01-21, 18:44
Reviewing my first 125 matching samples, as well as those that MTA classifies as "outliers".

1. Roman Soldier Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.899 - FN_2
Top
99 % match vs all users



2. Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.629 - CL94
Top
99 % match vs all users



3. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.714 - R474
Top
99 % match vs all users



4. Visigoth Iberian Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.859 - I12034
Top
99 % match vs all users



5. Imperial Rome Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.945 - R33
Top
98 % match vs all users



6. Early Medieval Andalusia
760 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.948 - I3585
Top
99 % match vs all users



7. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.04 - I12514
Top
98 % match vs all users



8. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.34 - I12516
Top
99 % match vs all users



9. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.39 - FN_2
Top
99 % match vs all users



10. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.48 - scy197b
Top
98 % match vs all users



11. Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany
2385 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.53 - UNTA58_68Sk1
Top
99 % match vs all users



12. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.6 - I4332
Top
99 % match vs all users



13. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.64 - I2649
Top
99 % match vs all users



14. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.87 - R63
Top
99 % match vs all users



15. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.95 - MOK10
Top
96 % match vs all users



16. Cueva de la Paloma Spain
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.99 - I3239
Top
99 % match vs all users



17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.0 - I4331
Top
98 % match vs all users



18. Late Medieval L'Esquerda Spain
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.04 - T-145-2
Top
98 % match vs all users



19. Western Scythian Outlier Hungary
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.05 - DA198
Top
99 % match vs all users



20. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.25 - R55
Top
98 % match vs all users



21. Dolmen de Saint-Eugene Bronze Age France
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.38 - EUG11
Top
99 % match vs all users



22. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.43 - MOK29
Top
94 % match vs all users



23. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.44 - I7498
Top
98 % match vs all users



24. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.45 - MOK27
Top
98 % match vs all users



25. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.49 - I2515
Top
97 % match vs all users



26. Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.54 - LM_406_T
Top
98 % match vs all users



27. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.55 - I3313
Top
96 % match vs all users



28. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - I10853
Top
99 % match vs all users



29. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.64 - I10866
Top
98 % match vs all users



30. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.65 - I12515
Top
97 % match vs all users



31. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.68 - I7041
Top
99 % match vs all users



32. Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.72 - Rise483
Top
99 % match vs all users



33. Bronze Age Vatya Pannonia
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.74 - Rise480
Top
99 % match vs all users



34. Rec de Ligno Bronze Age France
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.95 - PIR3037AB
Top
99 % match vs all users



35. Medieval France Saint-Laurent-de-la-Cabrerisse
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.01 - SLC1006 ?
Top
98 % match vs all users



36. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.06 - I7425
Top
98 % match vs all users



37. Iron Age Erstein France
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.19 - ERS86
Top
95 % match vs all users



38. Scythian Southern Moldova
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.24 - scy192
Top
98 % match vs all users



39. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.25 - scy305
Top
98 % match vs all users



40. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.28 - MOK20
Top
94 % match vs all users



41. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.34 - SZ28 ?
Top
97 % match vs all users



42. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.41 - I10852
Top
99 % match vs all users



43. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.42 - I4055
Top
99 % match vs all users



44. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1060 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.43 - I10851
Top
99 % match vs all users



45. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.44 - I7043
Top
98 % match vs all users



46. Iron Age Kesznyeten-Szeruskert Hungary
480 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.47 - I20768
Top
95 % match vs all users



47. Gallo-Roman Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.55 - R109
Top
99 % match vs all users



48. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.58 - OBS137 ?
Top
96 % match vs all users



49. Rhaeti Tribe Wartau Switzerland
88 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.59 - SX18
Top
99 % match vs all users



50. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
880 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.61 - I10895
Top
98 % match vs all users



51. Early Medieval Iberia Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.63 - I3981
Top
98 % match vs all users



52. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1429 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.69 - R1287
Top
98 % match vs all users



53. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1120 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.82 - I2514
Top
97 % match vs all users



54. Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - R473
Top
99 % match vs all users



55. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.9 - I2644
Top
98 % match vs all users



56. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.99 - MOK26
Top
97 % match vs all users



57. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.03 - I3499
Top
99 % match vs all users



58. High Status Male Haunstetten
2059 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.05 - POST_44
Top
98 % match vs all users



59. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.05 - R61
Top
95 % match vs all users



60. Gallo-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - R108
Top
92 % match vs all users



61. Iron Age Buerckelmatt Nordhouse France
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - NOR4
Top
98 % match vs all users



62. Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1485 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - R1221
Top
94 % match vs all users



63. Late Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.1 - R105
Top
98 % match vs all users



64. Villanovan Etruscan Italy VGG
850 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.12 - R1015
Top
99 % match vs all users



65. Carthago Al-Andalus Alhama de Granada
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.13 - I7457
Top
99 % match vs all users



66. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.18 - I12644
Top
98 % match vs all users



67. High Status Burial Mound Haunstetten
2112 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.22 - POST_50
Top
99 % match vs all users



68. Jebsen Boden Alsace France
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.22 - Jeb8
Top
96 % match vs all users



69. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.28 - I12647
Top
98 % match vs all users



70. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.41 - I3982
Top
98 % match vs all users



71. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.42 - I12649
Top
96 % match vs all users



72. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.52 - I3590
Top
98 % match vs all users



73. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.53 - MOK15
Top
98 % match vs all users



74. Iberian Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.59 - I2647
Top
98 % match vs all users



75. North Roman Warrior
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.6 - NS3c
Top
97 % match vs all users



76. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.6 - MOK25
Top
96 % match vs all users



77. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - MJ12
Top
99 % match vs all users



78. North Alpine Bronze Age
1794 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - AITI_43
Top
97 % match vs all users



79. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.86 - MX256
Top
99 % match vs all users



80. Relic French King Louis XVI
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.93 - LXVI
Top
96 % match vs all users



81. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.95 - MOK21
Top
54 % match vs all users



82. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.96 - I12645
Top
99 % match vs all users



83. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.17 - VK146
Top
80 % match vs all users



84. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.24 - I3582
Top
98 % match vs all users



85. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.3 - scy300
Top
98 % match vs all users



86. Iron Age Buerckelmatt Nordhouse France
750 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.36 - NOR2B6
Top
96 % match vs all users



87. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.36 - VK538
Top
92 % match vs all users



88. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - CL47b
Top
65 % match vs all users



89. Greco-Era Emporion
425 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - I8341
Top
99 % match vs all users



90. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.42 - R1285
Top
98 % match vs all users



91. Roman/Illyrian Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.45 - R36
Top
96 % match vs all users



92. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.49 - CL57
Top
87 % match vs all users



93. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.49 - MOK18
Top
97 % match vs all users



94. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.59 - I4556
Top
99 % match vs all users



95. Marseilles Plague Victim
1721 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.6 - OBS116 ?
Top
78 % match vs all users



96. Vasconic-Roman Mix Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.68 - R110
Top
98 % match vs all users



97. Bronze Age Niederergheim France
860 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.72 - NIED
Top
99 % match vs all users



98. Ligurian Pech-Maho France
350 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.81 - PECH5
Top
99 % match vs all users



99. Roman-Illyrian Lombard Grave
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.82 - CL23
Top
96 % match vs all users



100. Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.85 - PSS4170
Top
92 % match vs all users



101. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.99 - MOK17
Top
98 % match vs all users



102. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.0 - STR310
Top
86 % match vs all users



103. Late Roman-Era Emporion
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.04 - I8343
Top
99 % match vs all users



104. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.04 - MOK14
Top
76 % match vs all users



105. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.04 - MOK13
Top
76 % match vs all users



106. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.04 - MOK33b
Top
76 % match vs all users



107. Aquitani Pech-Maho France
350 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.05 - PECH8
Top
98 % match vs all users



108. Scythian Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.18 - scy311
Top
64 % match vs all users



109. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.21 - I12208
Top
99 % match vs all users



110. Roman-Carthago Mix Empuries
150 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.22 - I8475
Top
98 % match vs all users



111. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1563 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.25 - OTTM_151ind2
Top
98 % match vs all users



112. Latin Tribe Inland BE
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.3 - R1021
Top
99 % match vs all users



113. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.37 - R1
Top
93 % match vs all users



114. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas
1290 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.39 - I12209
Top
99 % match vs all users



115. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.41 - I3594
Top
99 % match vs all users



116. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.43 - I4885
Top
67 % match vs all users



117. Le Pirou Valros Bronze Age France
1630 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.45 - Pir6
Top
97 % match vs all users



118. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.58 - I3597
Top
98 % match vs all users



119. Early Bronze Age Abisso del Vento Sicily
2073 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.58 - I8561
Top
99 % match vs all users



120. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France
1500 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.66 - QUIN234
Top
98 % match vs all users



121. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.76 - I7040
Top
99 % match vs all users



122. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.79 - I7497
Top
98 % match vs all users



123. Iron Age Catalan
680 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.8 - I12641
Top
98 % match vs all users



124. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.82 - I5017
Top
94 % match vs all users



125. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 15.83 - Niedertiefenbach22
Top
99 % match vs all users













Your Outlier Samples...(These are the most genetically unique among your broader matching samples)https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Outlier.jpg

81. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.95 - MOK21
Top
54 % match vs all users



122. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.79 - I7497
Top
98 % match vs all users



128. Medieval Cancarro Church Foggia Italy
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.93 - VK536
Top
98 % match vs all users



131. Samborzec Bronze Age Poland
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.1 - I4249
Top
99 % match vs all users



133. Quinquiris Bronze Age Aude France
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.18 - QUIN58
Top
99 % match vs all users



134. Carolingian Settlement Barcelona
790 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.25 - I7676
Top
99 % match vs all users



141. Ostrogoth Mix
495 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.39 - AEH_1
Top
97 % match vs all users



144. Le Peyrou Agde France
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.45 - PEY163
Top
87 % match vs all users



150. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.54 - I3576
Top
97 % match vs all users



155. Copper Age Prague Kobylisy
2220 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.81 - I4945
Top
50 % match vs all users



157. Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.88 - I7423
Top
99 % match vs all users



158. Rugii Tribe Oder-Vistula
135 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.9 - PCA36 ?
Top
63 % match vs all users



160. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.93 - MOK9
Top
81 % match vs all users



161. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.93 - CL36 ?
Top
90 % match vs all users



163. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 16.94 - I3581
Top
97 % match vs all users


167. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 16.99 - I12410
Top
99 % match vs all users


168. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 17.02 - I12561
Top
99 % match vs all users


169. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 17.12 - I3577
Top
99 % match vs all users


174. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 17.24 - CL47 ?
Top
44 % match vs all users


175. [Hidden Outlier] - upgrade to Olympus 17.32 - I2472
Top
99 % match vs all users


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Carlos
30-01-21, 18:55
My wanderings become clearer


Update


577. Neolithic Villedubert France
2780 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - PEI2

Iberian + Balari (1.735)
Latin + Balari (2.423)
Etruscan + Balari (5.667)
Rhaeti + Balari (6.493)
Iberian + Latin (13.56)
Latin (14.26)
Balari (14.27)
Etruscan (17.75)
Iberian (18.5)

578. Proto-Celtic Bronze Age Wehringen
2240 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.38 - WEHR_1192SkA

Celt + Saxon (2.881)
Saxon (3.607)
Celt + Ostrogoth (4.337)
Celt + Vandal (4.399)
Vandal + Saxon (4.87)
Celt (4.981)
Celt + Frank (5.68)
Vandal (7.562)
Frank (10.87)
Ostrogoth (11.04)

579. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.39 - I3600

Vandal + Ostrogoth (1.638)
Saxon (3.242)
Celt + Ostrogoth (3.34)
Vandal + Saxon (3.829)
Saxon + Ostrogoth (4.007)
Longobard + Saxon (4.341)
Vandal (6.296)
Celt (7.762)
Ostrogoth (8.297)
Longobard (9.972)

580. Celtic Briton
1 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.39 - Hinxton 4

Celt (Genetic match)

581. Viking Settler Eastern Greenland
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.4 - VK6

Viking + Celt (2.345)
Celt + Saxon (2.548)
Viking Danish + Saxon (2.997)
Vandal + Saxon (3.112)
Viking + Vandal (3.304)
Saxon (3.474)
Celt (4.704)
Vandal (5.483)
Viking (6.717)
Viking Danish (7.092)

582. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.4 - R835

Roman (Genetic match)

583. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.41 - I3589

Celt + Vandal (2.924)
Longobard + Saxon (3.312)
Celt + Longobard (3.541)
Celt + Frank (4.053)
Celt + Saxon (4.135)
Vandal (5.112)
Celt (5.387)
Saxon (6.405)
Longobard (7.604)
Frank (9.631)

584. Viking Age Hedmark Norway
850 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.42 - VK448

Viking Icelandic + Vandal (1.879)
Viking Icelandic + Alemanni (2.0)
Vandal (3.434)
Viking + Alemanni (3.437)
Celt + Vandal (3.606)
Celt + Alemanni (3.815)
Viking Icelandic (6.107)
Viking (6.537)
Celt (6.965)
Alemanni (7.316)

585. Late Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1355 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.42 - R52

Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (3.672)
Philistine + Thracian (4.969)
Roman Hispania + Roman (5.84)
Ancient Greek + Roman (6.741)
Philistine + Roman (6.868)
Roman (6.979)
Roman Hispania (10.87)
Ancient Greek (11.06)
Thracian (12.54)
Philistine (14.22)

586. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.54 - SSG-A3

Viking Icelandic (Genetic match)


587. Bronze Age Czech Moravska Nova Ves
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.55 - I5043

Celt + Saxon (2.922)
Celt + Longobard (2.954)
Celt + Vandal (4.971)
Celt + Alemanni (5.398)
Celt (5.521)
Alemanni + Saxon (7.826)
Saxon (8.586)
Vandal (8.863)
Longobard (12.38)
Alemanni (13.15)


588. Roman Era Canterbury England
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.56 - 1257_Co

Viking Icelandic + Vandal (2.769)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (3.364)
Viking Danish + Celt (4.276)
Viking Icelandic (4.672)
Celt (5.366)
Celt + Vandal (5.679)
Viking Norwegian + Celt (5.912)
Vandal (8.179)
Viking Norwegian (8.994)
Viking Danish (9.144)

589. Neolithic France
3500 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.56 - OBN005

Iberian + Balari (2.101)
Latin + Balari (2.304)
Etruscan + Balari (5.182)
Rhaeti + Balari (5.72)
Iberian + Latin (13.35)
Balari (13.81)
Latin (15.26)
Etruscan (17.71)
Iberian (18.25)
Rhaeti (19.99)

590. Western-Scythian Outlier Black Sea
260 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.63 - MJ46

Celt + Scythian (5.357)
Belgae + Scythian (6.658)
Scythian + Frank (7.688)
Scythian (8.76)
Scythian + Ostrogoth (8.832)
Celt + Belgae (9.741)
Belgae (11.22)
Celt (11.94)
Frank (12.15)
Ostrogoth (14.47)

591. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.63 - VK262

Pict + Viking Icelandic (1.766)
Pict + Celt (3.2)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (3.379)
Celt + Saxon (3.403)
Pict + Saxon (4.382)
Pict (5.655)
Viking Icelandic (6.22)
Celt (7.5)
Saxon (9.99)
Viking Danish (10.82)


592. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.67 - VIL006

Carthaginian (Genetic match)

593. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.67 - R35

Philistine + Thracian (3.467)
Philistine + Roman (4.883)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (5.599)
Roman Hispania + Roman (5.984)
Ancient Greek + Roman (6.042)
Roman (6.226)
Ancient Greek (11.03)
Roman Hispania (11.11)
Thracian (11.67)
Philistine (14.71)


594. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
1860 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.67 - I3124

Etruscan + Carthaginian (4.754)
Phoenician (4.931)
Phoenician + Carthaginian (5.715)
Philistine + Phoenician (7.439)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (8.272)
Philistine + Etruscan (8.389)
Carthaginian (9.551)
Etruscan (15.1)
Philistine (15.29)
Gallo-Roman (19.8)

595. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.69 - FSS-A1

Viking Icelandic (Genetic match)

596. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.71 - BSS31

Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (7.559)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (8.158)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (8.762)
Roman (9.169)
Roman + Illyrian (9.603)
Roman Hispania + Roman (9.838)
Hellenic Roman (12.42)
Illyrian (14.63)
Roman Hispania (14.69)
Thracian (15.42)

597. Neolithic County Clare Ireland
3450 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.72 - PB754

Iberian (2.595)
Iberian + Celtiberian (8.655)
Iberian + Aquitani (10.29)
Iberian + Vascones (10.3)
Iberian + Etruscan (12.74)
Aquitani + Celtiberian (15.45)
Celtiberian (15.99)
Aquitani (18.24)
Vascones (18.45)

598. Viking Denmark Revshale
1080 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.73 - Revshale16

Viking Danish (Genetic match)

599. Obernai Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.73 - OBE3722

Celt + Belgae (6.46)
Celt + Frank (7.195)
Celt (7.619)
Celt + Ostrogoth (8.276)
Celt + Saxon (8.433)
Belgae + Saxon (8.509)
Frank (11.17)
Saxon (11.87)
Belgae (12.76)
Ostrogoth (14.26)

600. Neolithic County Clare Ireland
3486 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.74 - PB675

Iberian + Balari (2.855)
Latin + Balari (3.034)
Etruscan + Balari (7.648)
Rhaeti + Balari (8.191)
Latin (13.33)
Iberian + Latin (13.37)
Balari (15.53)
Etruscan (18.29)
Iberian (18.79)



Your Outlier Samples...


325. Medieval La Palma Sardinia
941 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.49 - I12221
341. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.87 - SZ32
348. Carthago Outlier San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - R121
368. Late Roman Iberia Granada
470 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.51 - I3576
385. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.79 - I7424
392. Late-Roman Era Montefrio Granada
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 21.96 - I3581
394. Central Roman Mausoleo Augusto
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.03 - R32
397. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.08 - OTTM_154
401. Phoenician Cas Moli Ibiza
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.1 - MS10614
407. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.29 - SZ43
411. Germanic Mixed Tribe
505 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.35 - AED125b
412. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.37 - STR_328
413. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.4 - NS3b
416. Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.47 - BIM_33
422. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.53 - I4889
424. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.58 - I4896
428. Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
860 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.64 - R1283
437. Viking Sweden - Basque Female
1100 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - bns023
439. Roman Villa Granada Spain
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.91 - I3983
443. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.98 - G57
444. Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865
449. Unetice Bohemia
1875 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.16 - Rise154
453. Carthago-Iberian-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - I7500
459. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.3 - Niedertiefenbach23
462. Carthaginian Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.42 - I8204
463. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.46 - SZ1
465. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.5 - MX299
466. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.52 - MSR003
468. Corded Ware Estonia
2460 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.53 - Rise595
469. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.55 - OTTM_142
471. Grotte du Rouquet Moujan France
3080 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.59 - ROUQV

472. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932
473. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36
474. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584
475. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3322
476. Carthago-Roman San Ercolano
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.67 - R120
477. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.69 - I2860
479. Copper Age Rouffach Haut-Rhin France
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.71 - I1391
480. Grotte Basse de la Vigne Perdue France
1640 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.72 - GBVPO
481. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - I7276
483. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.73 - MX219
486. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.77 - R970
488. Roman Empire Monterotondo
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - R1540
489. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.81 - R836
491. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age
67 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI1
492. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - HI2
494. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - MOK22
495. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - I5470

498. Carthago Outlier Roman Empire VP
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - R113
499. Roman-Era Emporion
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.93 - I8205

Palermo Trapani
30-01-21, 20:19
The Roman samples, however, do not give the certainty that they are really Roman, the study Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean, does not say whether those samples are real Roman citizens or slaves deported to Rome.

The IRON Age samples pre-date the period when increased Slave Trade resulted in any significant number of slaves being bought into Rome. It wasn't until the 2nd Punic War that Rome acquired major territory outside of what is modern Italy. Jovialis has a thread (maybe several) that group the Roman samples to the various clusters defined in the paper, C5, C6, etc, etc. Those threads show pretty clearly how modern people with 100% of their ancestry from somewhere in modern Italy plot relative to the ancient Roman samples and the various clusters defined in that paper by Antonio et al 2019.

So while the Antionio et al 2019 paper did not clearly state who was Roman and who was slave, as that would be something that could not be stated with 100% certainty, and no reputable researcher would make any such claim without the data and statistical analysis to make such statement, a clear deep reading of the paper and results suggest who was in all likelihood local vs. non-local. Figure 2 clearly plots modern Italian populations, and other moderns, with the 127 ancient Roman samples. Figure 4 clearly plots them relative to population cluster and sub-structure, i.e. C6 cluster is the Mediterranean Cluster, C5 is East Mediterranean, C7 is European, etc, etc.

Salento
30-01-21, 21:29
Anyone have deep diving with Imperial Rome Centocelle samples like R47? Interestingly, this area was inhabited by the praetorian guard of the emperor Constantine, and there was the villa of the mother empress, could these samples therefore be referred to praetorians, inhabitants of the villa or slaves?

I doubt it,

they were local Roman / Italian people,
notice the three Rome Centocelle samples below, they’re from different generations, but they share a chromosome position,
... an indication of ‘continuity’ all the way to the Renaissance and Me.

https://i.imgur.com/zQVG128.jpg

Salento
30-01-21, 22:11
​But the DNA samples with which we share cM, are our certenly direct ascendants, or can they be relatives more or less close to our direct ascendants?

... as a rule of thumb, the older the sample, the more overlap with a variety of populations.

... the cM could indicate an Ancient Shared Common Ancestry with at least one of the parents of the sample.

real expert
30-01-21, 22:35
The Roman samples, however, do not give the certainty that they are really Roman, the study Ancient Rome: A genetic crossroads of Europe and the Mediterranean, does not say whether those samples are real Roman citizens or slaves deported to Rome.




I think that there was a certain degree of sampling bias in this Roman paper. In my opinion, people don't take into consideration that native/Italic Romans practiced cremation (burning) of their dead.Cremation was the usual custom until about A.D. 100. Hence, geneticists won't have the DNA of all the cremated Romans especially from the nobles, aristocracy. However, I do think that the "Eastern Mediterranean" component was in Italy prior to any major influx of foreign people, and that the bulk of migrants was from Magna Graecia, Southern Italy, and to a lesser degree from Hellenized Anatolia. While we don’t really have the burial context, there are clear indications that not few of the sampled DNA were from non-locals, foreigners and slaves, too.

Stuvanè
30-01-21, 22:48
Anyone have deep diving with Imperial Rome Centocelle samples like R47? Interestingly, this area was inhabited by the praetorian guard of the emperor Constantine, and there was the villa of the mother empress, could these samples therefore be referred to praetorians, inhabitants of the villa or slaves?

I share some cMs with this individual.
It's difficult to establish whether we are direct descendants. With most of the MTA samples - IMO - it's more likely they are individuals with whom we share even more remote ancestors, often lived in prehistoric ages (the Mesolithic, Neolithic and Metal Age ancestral components...).
Based on its PCA and the various oracles, R47 seems to have a fairly local autosomal: it could be a native of southern Italy, or - if Roman ethnic (i.e"central italic") - he shows partial eastern Mediterranean ancestry

Salento
31-01-21, 03:04
I think that there was a certain degree of sampling bias in this Roman paper. In my opinion, people don't take into consideration that native/Italic Romans practiced cremation (burning) of their dead.Cremation was the usual custom until about A.D. 100. Hence, geneticists won't have the DNA of all the cremated Romans especially from the nobles, aristocracy. However, I do think that the "Eastern Mediterranean" component was in Italy prior to any major influx of foreign people, and that the bulk of migrants was from Magna Graecia, Southern Italy, and to a lesser degree from Hellenized Anatolia. While we don’t really have the burial context, there are clear indications that not few of the sampled DNA were from non-locals, foreigners and slaves, too.

... DNA is not biased. It just is,
... they have Northern and Southern Italian shifted samples,
... though you omitted mentioning the Northern Italian shifted samples,
... and there is not indication at all that the vast majority of the samples were foreigners or slaves,
... if that was the case, the R samples wouldn’t match the modern Italians so closely.

Salento
31-01-21, 07:33
Altamura Man (100.000+ years old Apulian Neanderthal) and Delia (24.000 years old Gravettian of Salento - Ostuni - Apulia).

... just two examples from my Region.

Italy has been inhabited a lot longer than some people think.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/27/19/338F891F00000578-0-image-a-7_1461780825084.jpg

https://www.ostunithewhitecity.com/images-puglia/museo-archeologico-civilta-preclassiche-della-murgia-meridionale-la-donna-di-ostuni.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hAczF6m.jpg

http://www.ostunimuseo.it/docs/2016/Ostuni-Nature.pdf (http://www.ostunimuseo.it/docs/2016/Ostuni-Nature.pdf)

Delia
https://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/1992/10/29/delia-donna-infelice-di-24-mila-anni.html


Altamura yields oldest Neanderthal DNA
https://phys.org/news/2015-04-altamura-yields-oldest-neanderthal-dna.html

Say hello to Altamura Man: Scientists recreate face of 'pearl faced' Neanderthal
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3562199/Say-hello-Altamura-Man-Scientists-recreate-face-pearl-faced-Neanderthal-fell-sinkhole-150-000-years-ago.html

Emal
31-01-21, 15:37
I doubt it,

they were local Roman / Italian people,
notice the three Rome Centocelle samples below, they’re from different generations, but they share a chromosome position,
... an indication of ‘continuity’ all the way to the Renaissance and Me.



well but this doesn't exclude that they were equally non-Italic slaves, the slaves had children like the others didn't?

Emal
31-01-21, 15:50
Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi 500 AD
R107
mtDNA: T2hY-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 69)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 37.47 cM
Largest chain: 124 SNPs / 37.47 cM



Hellenic Roman ANAS 200 AD
R73
mtDNA: J2a1a1a
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 54)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 29.51 cM
Largest chain: 109 SNPs / 29.51 cM



These are the two samples with I share the most cM, do any of you have them? Did you find out any more information beyond that on mytrueancestry?

Emal
31-01-21, 15:58
Does anyone have compatibility with samples from the latest Viking study such as:


Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy 1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.02 - VK535 Top 99% match vs all users


How in a "Viking" cemetery / we in Italy say "Normans" there are samples that resemble ancient Mediterranean populations? Maybe even if the cemetery was "Viking" they also buried native southern Italians?

Salento
31-01-21, 16:19
well but this doesn't exclude that they were equally non-Italic slaves, the slaves had children like the others didn't?

You need to analyze and think about what I said and absorb it before commenting.

Carlos
31-01-21, 19:15
Up to 10


Visigoth Iberian Girona
1. Spanish_Cantabria (6.658)
Roman Soldier Germany
1. Spanish_Cantabria (6.865)
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
1. Spanish_Cantabria (7.572)
Gallo-Roman Lombard Grave
1. Spanish_Galicia (6.381)
Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1. Spanish_Cantabria (8.487)
Roman-Era Empuries
1. Spanish_Cantabria (7.962)
Jebsen Boden Alsace France
1. Spanish_Cantabria (10.30)
Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
1. Spanish_Andalucia (10.17)
Dolmen de Saint-Eugene Bronze Age France
1. Southwest_French (7.145)
Etruscan Civitavecchia
1. Spanish_Cantabria (8.376)
Bell Beaker Haunstetten Germany
1. Spanish_Cantabria (9.440)
Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
1. Spanish_Cantabria (9.528)
Late Copper Age Italy
1. Spanish_Aragon (12.51)
Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
1. Spanish_Cantabria (9.844)
Illyrian / Dalmatian
1. Spanish_Extremadura (6.749)
Aquitani Pech-Maho France
1. French_Basque (8.510)
Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1. Spanish_Cataluna (5.592)


Right at the change of digit in the distance value



Jebsen Boden Alsace France
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.03 - Jeb8
1. Spanish_Cantabria (10.30)

Late Roman-Era Emporion
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.18 - I8343
1. Spanish_Aragon (10.79)

Vatya Bronze Age Hungary
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.12 - Rise483
1. Spanish_Cantabria (9.922)

Viking Age Karda Smaland Sweden
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - VK265

1. Southwest_French (11.64)

Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.01 - I4331
1. Portuguese (8.380)

118. Girona Sant Julia de Ramis
990 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.05 - I10892
1. Spanish_Aragon (9.228)

Mallorca Early Bronze Age
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 16.0 - I4329
1. Spanish_Cantabria (16.09)

Ilercavones Catalan
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.01 - I3321
1. French_Basque (15.45)

Czech Velke Prilepy
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 18.08 - Rise577
1. Southwest_English (6.453)

Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 19.0 - Niedertiefenbach37
1. Spanish_Cantabria (18.75)

Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 20.03 - I6590
1. Southwest_English (5.874)

Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
1980 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.0 - MX280
1. Southwest_English (6.273)

Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.0 - I3807
1. Portuguese (15.86)

Roman-Era Empuries
47 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.04 - I10865
1. French_Basque (14.96)

Le Mans Revolutionary France
1793 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.0 - LM_913_T
1. French (20.01)

Pre-Slav Medieval Poland
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.0 - PCA133_Niemcza19
1. Spanish_Galicia (22.24)

Palermo Trapani
31-01-21, 19:41
Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi 500 AD
R107
mtDNA: T2hY-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a (L142.1)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 69)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 37.47 cM
Largest chain: 124 SNPs / 37.47 cM



Hellenic Roman ANAS 200 AD
R73
mtDNA: J2a1a1a
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 54)
1 SNP chain (min. 60 SNPs) / 29.51 cM
Largest chain: 109 SNPs / 29.51 cM



These are the two samples with I share the most cM, do any of you have them? Did you find out any more information beyond that on mytrueancestry?


Emal: To follow up on my earlier response and to add to Salento's, I mentioned a thread on ancient Romans that Jovialis started. Very good and it uses different vahaduo calculators and runs the Antonio et al 2019 samples by population cluster. Have you looked into that thread. You can also go to vahaudo gentics online, it is free, and run the samples you are closest to against modern populations.

I don't want to mix threads as this is about MytrueAncestry but I quickly ran R107 and R73 on Eurognes K13 against K13 updated modern reference populations. R107 is no different, or very close (in terms of autosomal DNA) to Modern Italians from 1) Abruzzo, 2) Molise, 3) Sicily, 4) Apulia and 5) Basilicata, distances 4.3 to 4.9, respectively. R73 is closest to Greeks from Symi Island, distance of 6.6 and then Sephardi Jews at 6.9.

So back to the Jovialis Roman thread I mentioned. Jovialis, using Dodecad K7, classified all 127 samples from the Antonio et al 2019 study by the genetic clusters (e.g., C4, C5, C6, etc,). The R107 sample falls into the C6 genetic cluster as defined by Antonio et al 2019, which is why it is very close to modern Italians from Central Italy to the South (C6 cluster). The R73 sample falls into the C4 Near East cluster.

So take a look at vahaduo.genetics and run some of your closest Mytrueancestry samples against various calculators and again I would suggest find the Ancient Roman Thread that Jovialis started which has the samples classified into cultural clusters using the C1 to C7 classification from the Antonio et al 2019 paper.

Salento
04-02-21, 00:04
y T ... samples :)

https://i.imgur.com/VfJG0UW.jpg

... edit LOL

Salento
04-02-21, 08:12
y T ... samples :)

https://i.imgur.com/VfJG0UW.jpg

... edit LOL

MTA y T samples vs clade T-SK1480 :)

https://i.imgur.com/6atbdHf.jpg

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

Salento
05-02-21, 00:21
8. Central Roman / Mixed
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.38 - SZ19
Top
99 %
match vs all users


Goodmorning, Does anyone have this sample in common like me?
I read the paper, in my opinion it must belong to a woman kidnapped by barbarians after invading Italy.

I get SZ19, ... but in my chrome analysis she does NOT share SNPs with my other samples.
She’s alone.
... could be that SZ19's DNA is low in quality (17%), or she’s just different from them.

https://i.imgur.com/mpq59i0.jpg

Salento
05-02-21, 06:10
MTA y T samples vs clade T-SK1480 :)

https://i.imgur.com/6atbdHf.jpg

http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

@Tozio

.... the T-SK1480 map reminds me of the NatGeo results, ... where in one of the two “Reference Population” we both meet in Toscana :)

https://i.imgur.com/m5sHvG3.jpg

torzio
05-02-21, 08:32
@Tozio

.... the T-SK1480 map reminds me of the NatGeo results, ... where in one of the two “Reference Population” we both meet in Toscana :)

https://i.imgur.com/m5sHvG3.jpg


I cannot remember.......lost data/information when old pc died ................all I remember was they site gave us better , more accurate markers than any other site ( 3 years earlier than anyone else) ....it did give me German first , then Tuscan 2nd

BTW...yfull gave me ( showed me ) another 193 STR markers ....which linked me to that Vironet guy as a match ( the fabricated surname from orphanage )

Salento
05-02-21, 11:04
I cannot remember.......lost data/information when old pc died ................all I remember was they site gave us better , more accurate markers than any other site ( 3 years earlier than anyone else) ....it did give me German first , then Tuscan 2nd

BTW...yfull gave me ( showed me ) another 193 STR markers ....which linked me to that Vironet guy as a match ( the fabricated surname from orphanage )

... if you lost it, ... it is here:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36645-Geno-2-0-Helix-results?p=578574&viewfull=1#post578574

torzio
05-02-21, 17:53
... if you lost it, ... it is here:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/36645-Geno-2-0-Helix-results?p=578574&viewfull=1#post578574

thanks

I better snippet it and save it

Carlos
06-02-21, 05:26
Kit: Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France (PSS4170)vsKit: Carthago-Roman San Ercolano (R120)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nkTDcwHlRvM/YB4InJQJXQI/AAAAAAAAFyQ/6X2cK3zpg9Y_bY7FtSagwr1WneKdeI61gCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/PontSenaPSS4170vsCartagoR120.jpeg

Kit: Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France (PSS4170)vsLate Roman Empire Crypta Balbi (R107)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ie7VQAkHx6w/YB4LKg95IRI/AAAAAAAAFyg/3VRECpLEnwcQa8r-mcr3PMWfLTT7c_UZQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/PontSenaPSS4170vsLateRomanEmpireR107.jpeg

Kit: Pont-sur-Seine Bronze Age France (PSS4170) vs Kit Carlos
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pq3AIJ36tOM/YB4Jcr0cFDI/AAAAAAAAFyY/7TZWtk-HlHMk8bmeR2vJ7064qasPVtFpgCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/PontSenaPSS4170vsMYkit.jpeg

Playing with my Deep Dives

Emal
06-02-21, 15:15
Why are there no Greek samples from the post-Mycenaean period on mytrueancestry?

Salento
07-02-21, 06:57
me vs me:
x28 anonymous :thinking: in Lazio :)

https://i.imgur.com/RO8dR8h.jpg

Salento
07-02-21, 07:23
Ancient Ancestry:
https://i.imgur.com/Qkiqsx3.jpg

Salento
07-02-21, 19:11
super_Kit vs super_Kit
(combined RawData)

https://i.imgur.com/WWmM1en.jpg

matty74
08-02-21, 20:29
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)

1. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 2.425 - I3589
Top
99 % match vs all users



2. Celtic Mix Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 4.462 - CL83 ?
Top
99 % match vs all users



3. Viking Age Gotland Kopparsvik Sweden
975 AD - Genetic Distance: 4.808 - VK468
Top
96 % match vs all users



4. Early Bronze Age Thames
1800 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.02 - I5377
Top
96 % match vs all users



5. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1104 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.065 - I7576
Top
99 % match vs all users



6. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.227 - I7269
Top
99 % match vs all users



7. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.297 - I2861
Top
96 % match vs all users



8. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1254 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.366 - I7577
Top
98 % match vs all users



9. St Marys Coffin Maryland
1683 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.432 - I2097
Top
98 % match vs all users



10. Medieval Upper Bavaria Germany
1068 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.441 - Petersberg
Top
99 % match vs all users



11. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.617 - PCA100_Mas13 ?
Top
99 % match vs all users



12. Bell Beaker Willington England
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.646 - I2452
Top
97 % match vs all users



13. Saxon Hinxton
720 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.708 - HinxtonO1
Top
91 % match vs all users



14. Merovingian Noble
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.739 - NS1
Top
98 % match vs all users



15. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.796 - VK264
Top
98 % match vs all users



16. Celto-Germanic Medieval Denmark
1270 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.82 - G21
Top
96 % match vs all users



17. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.824 - I2859
Top
97 % match vs all users



18. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.957 - I7575
Top
97 % match vs all users



19. Bronze Age Biddenham Loop Bedfordshire England
1315 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.968 - I7627
Top
98 % match vs all users



20. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.968 - SZ15
Top
92 % match vs all users



21. Germanic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.03 - SZ42
Top
86 % match vs all users



22. Viking Age Oland Sweden
858 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.075 - VK337
Top
96 % match vs all users



23. Celtic Briton
1 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.111 - Hinxton 4
Top
96 % match vs all users



24. Celt Hinxton Iron Age
45 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.127 - HI2
Top
93 % match vs all users



25. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.165 - I4895
Top
97 % match vs all users



26. Bronze Age Raciborz-Stara Wies Poland
2170 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.167 - I6537
Top
90 % match vs all users



27. Bell Beaker England
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.262 - I1767
Top
85 % match vs all users



28. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.272 - BIS130
Top
97 % match vs all users



29. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.418 - I7287
Top
97 % match vs all users



30. Late Iron Age Linton Cambridgeshire
205 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.463 - Linton
Top
90 % match vs all users



31. North Alpine Bronze Age
1812 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.524 - AITI_50
Top
98 % match vs all users



32. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.54 - I2573
Top
98 % match vs all users



33. Germanic Tribe Spreitenbach CWC Switzerland
2542 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.605 - MX192
Top
95 % match vs all users



34. Viking Age Hringsdalur Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.695 - VK128
Top
98 % match vs all users



35. Late Iron Age Tollemosegard Denmark
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.747 - VK70
Top
95 % match vs all users



36. Post Viking Denmark Odense
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.759 - G48
Top
88 % match vs all users



37. Celtic-Saxon Hinxton Iron Age
67 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.788 - HI1
Top
85 % match vs all users



38. Viking Celtic Boat Burial Iceland
925 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.814 - VDP-A6
Top
94 % match vs all users



39. Viking Age Igaliku Fjord Greenland
1000 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.862 - VK6
Top
98 % match vs all users



40. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.864 - 6DRIF-18
Top
93 % match vs all users



41. Medieval Denmark Odense
1223 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.888 - G749b
Top
94 % match vs all users



42. Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.894 - SZ25
Top
99 % match vs all users



43. Viking Age Ribe Jutland
1005 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.93 - VK327
Top
99 % match vs all users



44. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.947 - I7212
Top
95 % match vs all users



45. Bronze Age Amesbury
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.094 - I2458
Top
88 % match vs all users



46. Obernai Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.129 - OBE3626-1
Top
95 % match vs all users



47. Bronze Age Trumpington England
1330 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.182 - I7640
Top
98 % match vs all users



48. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.183 - VK101
Top
98 % match vs all users



49. Bronze Age De Tuithoorn North Holland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.238 - I5750
Top
95 % match vs all users



50. Anglo Saxon
780 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.242 - Hinxton HS3
Top
95 % match vs all users



51. Late Medieval Gotlander
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.253 - Unknown
Top
91 % match vs all users



52. Bronze Age Orkney Islands
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.281 - I2981
Top
93 % match vs all users



53. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.288 - I7568
Top
87 % match vs all users



54. Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.302 - SSJ-A2
Top
98 % match vs all users



55. Bronze Age Biddenham Loop Bedfordshire England
1120 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.327 - I7578
Top
95 % match vs all users



56. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B
1448 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.33 - OSL9B
Top
91 % match vs all users



57. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.336 - CL92
Top
99 % match vs all users



58. Viking Saxon Iceland
1104 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.341 - TSK-A26
Top
93 % match vs all users



59. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.349 - VK122
Top
94 % match vs all users



60. Middle Bronze Age England
1575 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.369 - I7573
Top
97 % match vs all users



61. Young Merovingian Noble
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.389 - NS6
Top
87 % match vs all users



62. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.392 - STR241
Top
99 % match vs all users



63. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.395 - VK147
Top
95 % match vs all users



64. Bronze Age Prague Jinonice Czech
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.42 - I7196
Top
97 % match vs all users



65. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.45 - VK166
Top
84 % match vs all users



66. Bell Beaker Southern France
2050 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.498 - I3875
Top
91 % match vs all users



67. Celto-Germanic Lingolsheim Alsace
2335 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.531 - SX32
Top
94 % match vs all users



68. Stenchme Lop Ness Sanday Scotland
1750 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.558 - I2981
Top
93 % match vs all users



69. Copper Age Alburg-Lerchenhaid Straubing Bavaria
2225 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.571 - I3600
Top
95 % match vs all users



70. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.637 - VK449
Top
99 % match vs all users



71. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.653 - CL146
Top
96 % match vs all users



72. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.677 - SZ14
Top
95 % match vs all users



73. Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland
1683 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.69 - 2099
Top
98 % match vs all users



74. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.704 - VK178
Top
98 % match vs all users



75. Food Vessel Scotland
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.723 - I5515
Top
96 % match vs all users



76. Viking Norse Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.729 - KNS-A1
Top
97 % match vs all users



77. Bell Beaker Scotland
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.749 - I2568
Top
85 % match vs all users



78. Bronze Age Anselfingen Germany
2325 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.76 - MX259
Top
85 % match vs all users



79. Copper Age Radovesice Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.769 - I7290
Top
91 % match vs all users



80. Bronze Age Earith Cambridgeshire England
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.793 - I7572
Top
97 % match vs all users



81. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2340 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.826 - E09614
Top
96 % match vs all users



82. Nordic Lombard
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.87 - SZ12
Top
99 % match vs all users



83. Medieval Trondheim Norway
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.871 - VK118
Top
82 % match vs all users



84. Copper Age Sierentz Les Villas dAurele France
2345 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.871 - I1390
Top
69 % match vs all users



85. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.886 - I2653
Top
91 % match vs all users



86. Middle Bronze Age Dorset England
1446 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.896 - I3082
Top
98 % match vs all users



87. Germanic Roman-Era Empuries
200 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.932 - I8206
Top
98 % match vs all users



88. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria
485 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.98 - AED_249
Top
96 % match vs all users



89. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.004 - I7278
Top
86 % match vs all users



90. Medieval Trondheim Norway
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.03 - VK117
Top
98 % match vs all users



91. Medieval Denmark Revshale
1315 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.031 - G154
Top
96 % match vs all users



92. Celtic Briton Gladiator York
250 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.042 - 6DRIF-23
Top
95 % match vs all users



93. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria
465 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.052 - NW_255
Top
97 % match vs all users



94. Nordic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.06 - CL84
Top
95 % match vs all users



95. Bronze Age Brassington Derbyshire England
2090 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.062 - I5373
Top
96 % match vs all users



96. Viking Invader Ridgeway Hill England
998 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.077 - VK260
Top
98 % match vs all users



97. Celto-Germanic Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.078 - CL97
Top
96 % match vs all users



98. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.087 - ORE-A1
Top
86 % match vs all users



99. High Status Male Haunstetten
1946 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.103 - POST_6
Top
86 % match vs all users



100. Viking Age Hofstadir Iceland
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.108 - VK123
Top
95 % match vs all users

Carlos
13-02-21, 05:24
My last 25 to see how that goes


600. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland
935 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.69 - FSS-A1

Viking Icelandic (Genetic match)

601. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague
1348 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.71 - BSS31

Hellenic Roman + Illyrian (7.559)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (8.158)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (8.762)
Roman (9.169)
Roman + Illyrian (9.603)
Roman Hispania + Roman (9.838)
Hellenic Roman (12.42)
Illyrian (14.63)
Roman Hispania (14.69)
Thracian (15.42)

602. Neolithic County Clare Ireland
3450 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.72 - PB754

Iberian (2.595)
Iberian + Celtiberian (8.655)
Iberian + Aquitani (10.29)
Iberian + Vascones (10.3)
Iberian + Etruscan (12.74)
Aquitani + Celtiberian (15.45)
Celtiberian (15.99)
Aquitani (18.24)
Vascones (18.45)

603. Viking Denmark Revshale
1080 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.73 - Revshale16

Viking Danish (Genetic match)

604. Obernai Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.73 - OBE3722

Celt + Belgae (6.46)
Celt + Frank (7.195)
Celt (7.619)
Celt + Ostrogoth (8.276)
Celt + Saxon (8.433)
Belgae + Saxon (8.509)
Frank (11.17)
Saxon (11.87)
Belgae (12.76)
Ostrogoth (14.26)

605. Neolithic County Clare Ireland
3486 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.74 - PB675

Iberian + Balari (2.855)
Latin + Balari (3.034)
Etruscan + Balari (7.648)
Rhaeti + Balari (8.191)
Latin (13.33)
Iberian + Latin (13.37)
Balari (15.53)
Etruscan (18.29)
Iberian (18.79)

606. Pabay Mor Isle of Lewis Scotland
1350 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.78 - I2655

Celt + Belgae (4.776)
Belgae + Saxon (6.829)
Celt + Frank (7.54)
Celt + Saxon (7.586)
Celt (7.792)
Belgae + Vandal (8.86)
Saxon (11.46)
Frank (12.88)
Vandal (13.59)
Belgae (14.21)

607. Viking Hesselbjergmarken Denmark
875 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.78 - VK339

Viking Icelandic (4.108)
Pict + Viking Icelandic (4.706)
Viking + Celt (5.705)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (5.878)
Pict + Celt (6.058)
Pict (6.621)
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (7.339)
Celt (11.55)
Saxon (12.02)
Viking (13.44)

608. Mesolithic Jerpoint West Kilkenny Ireland
3550 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.79 - JP14

Etruscan + Balari (3.316)
Latin + Balari (5.233)
Carthaginian + Balari (9.559)
Latin + Carthaginian (10.6)
Phoenician + Balari (10.74)
Latin (14.46)
Etruscan (15.04)
Balari (16.29)
Phoenician (18.02)
Carthaginian (18.34)

609. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1104 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.88 - I7576

Celt + Vandal (1.182)
Celt + Alemanni (2.463)
Celt + Saxon (2.573)
Vandal (2.844)
Alemanni + Saxon (3.498)
Longobard + Saxon (3.596)
Celt (4.969)
Saxon (7.409)
Longobard (8.247)
Alemanni (9.08)

610. Post Medieval Ellwangen Germany
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.88 - ELW098A_549O

Lusitanian + Frank (8.189)
Lusitanian + Ligurian (8.787)
Lusitanian + Latin (9.783)
Lusitanian + Gallo-Roman (10.07)
Lusitanian (12.32)
Ligurian (14.95)
Ligurian + Frank (15.61)
Latin (19.26)
Gallo-Roman (19.65)
Frank (19.85)

611. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.89 - R969

Hellenic Roman + Thracian (3.783)
Ancient Greek + Thracian (3.969)
Ancient Greek + Roman (4.16)
Roman + Thracian (5.328)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.068)
Roman (7.045)
Ancient Greek (8.446)
Thracian (8.74)
Hellenic Roman (12.17)
Roman Hispania (13.82)

612. Bronze Age Bedfordshire England
1150 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.91 - I7575

Celt + Vandal (2.967)
Celt + Saxon (3.054)
Longobard + Saxon (3.128)
Celt + Longobard (3.264)
Vandal + Saxon (3.702)
Celt (3.845)
Vandal (4.395)
Saxon (5.505)
Longobard (9.198)
Frank (10.7)

613. Medieval Taifa of Valencia
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.94 - I12646

Latin + Thracian (18.77)
Latin + Etruscan (19.92)

614. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.96 - R973

Roman + Thracian (4.321)
Roman (5.046)
Ancient Greek + Roman (5.313)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.027)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (6.252)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (6.693)
Thracian (7.158)
Ancient Greek (10.22)
Hellenic Roman (11.16)
Roman Hispania (11.92)

615. Medieval Trondheim Norway
1200 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.97 - VK113

Viking Icelandic + Vandal (4.761)
Celt + Saxon (5.107)
Viking + Vandal (5.671)
Viking + Celt (5.751)
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (6.29)
Saxon (7.096)
Viking (7.917)
Vandal (8.485)
Celt (9.057)
Viking Icelandic (9.079)

616. Roman Era Canterbury England
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.97 - 1257_Oss

Pict + Viking Icelandic (4.255)
Pict + Celt (4.586)
Pict + Viking Danish (5.624)
Viking Danish + Celt (5.808)
Celt + Saxon (5.926)
Pict (6.092)
Celt (8.237)
Viking Icelandic (9.582)
Saxon (10.49)
Viking Danish (11.05)

617. Camino del Molino Spain
2700 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.97 - C53

Etruscan + Balari (2.365)
Latin + Balari (6.102)
Phoenician + Balari (6.586)
Carthaginian + Balari (7.147)
Latin + Phoenician (10.16)
Balari (15.16)
Phoenician (15.28)
Etruscan (15.8)
Latin (16.54)
Carthaginian (17.9)

618. Carthago Mix Iberia
2600 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.97 - CMOL53

Etruscan + Balari (2.365)
Latin + Balari (6.102)
Phoenician + Balari (6.586)
Carthaginian + Balari (7.147)
Latin + Phoenician (10.16)
Balari (15.16)
Phoenician (15.28)
Etruscan (15.8)
Latin (16.54)
Carthaginian (17.9)

619. Germanic Medieval Denmark
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.99 - G1065

Viking + Visigoth (8.667)
Viking + Frank (8.839)
Visigoth + Frank (10.25)
Frank (10.36)
Visigoth (10.42)
Viking Danish + Visigoth (10.62)
Viking + Saxon (10.66)
Saxon (12.1)
Viking Danish (13.04)
Viking (13.39)

620. Post Medieval London New Churchyard
1600 AD - Genetic Distance: 25.99 - BED024

Philistine + Avar (32.63)
Philistine + Hungarian Conqueror (35.31)
Philistine + Hun (35.84)
Avar + Hungarian Conqueror (39.66)
Byzantine + Avar (41.06)

621. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.99 - I7271

Celt + Saxon (5.741)
Celt + Longobard (6.798)
Celt + Frank (7.893)
Celt + Vandal (8.53)
Celt (8.857)
Longobard + Saxon (11.65)
Saxon (12.26)
Vandal (12.8)
Longobard (14.73)
Frank (15.65)

622. Bell Beaker Augsburg
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.0 - HUGO_168

Celt + Ostrogoth (6.535)
Celt + Belgae (6.86)
Belgae + Saxon (7.296)
Celt (7.392)
Celt + Frank (7.633)
Belgae + Ostrogoth (7.894)
Frank (9.948)
Saxon (10.06)
Ostrogoth (10.78)
Belgae (11.05)

623. Iron Age Kesznyeten-Szeruskert Hungary
480 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.0 - I20765

Scythian + Ostrogoth (8.224)
Scythian + Longobard (8.878)
Longobard + Ostrogoth (10.53)
Scythian + Vandal (11.2)
Scythian + Saxon (11.27)
Ostrogoth (11.3)
Longobard (12.4)
Saxon (14.51)
Scythian (14.74)
Vandal (17.51)

624. Ancient Gotlander Outlier
2750 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.01 - Gok4

Lusitanian + Etruscan (16.78)
Lusitanian + Latin (17.55)
Lusitanian + Gallo-Roman (17.6)
Latin (18.86)
Ligurian + Latin (18.87)
Lusitanian + Ligurian (19.2)
Ligurian (20.0)

625. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.03 - R64

Roman (4.922)
Ancient Greek + Roman (7.243)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (7.665)
Roman Hispania + Roman (8.243)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (8.284)
Roman + Thracian (9.093)
Ancient Greek (13.31)
Roman Hispania (13.93)
Hellenic Roman (15.82)
Thracian (16.01)

Salento
13-02-21, 20:11
some VK Foggia Chrome Relatives

... older 1150 AD VK534 and VK537 share SNPs with each other, ...younger 1240 AD VK535 does not.

:thinking: AncestryDNA updated the Maps, but ... no Salento for me, ... not cool, ... though MyHeritage does :)

https://i.imgur.com/DnslXZy.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oeZdVcD.jpg

Salento
14-02-21, 01:03
Scythian Southern Moldova (deep dive)

https://i.imgur.com/09w9ZP6.jpg

torzio
14-02-21, 02:21
Scythian Southern Moldova (deep dive)

https://i.imgur.com/09w9ZP6.jpg


I only have this one from that same area

https://i.postimg.cc/Hk5kFYMS/scy305.png (https://postimg.cc/18mSqZJ6)

torzio
14-02-21, 02:23
my father only has this

Scythian Moldova 300 BC


scy301





mtDNA: [Upgrade to see] (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)Y-DNA: [Upgrade to see] (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 28)
2 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 17.04 cM
Largest chain: 113 SNPs / 14.75 cM


Your raw DNA is 60% closer than other matching users..................says 60%

Salento
14-02-21, 02:46
Do you really think? If they find there that one of 10 SNPs matches those of the ancient character, then they say he's your brother, I think. :)

sometimes, ... not that often, I’ve been known to think too :)

I’m just a consumer of this product.

Duarte
14-02-21, 03:38
My Scythian matches

https://i.imgur.com/VS6doYL.png
https://i.imgur.com/X9q2nxf.png
https://i.imgur.com/DYgyosc.png
https://i.imgur.com/8y4acDq.png
https://i.imgur.com/kuXZhJj.png

Carlos
14-02-21, 12:34
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aJqZcpoE-is/YCj3T2vxBbI/AAAAAAAAF1c/lQ4EPSW8UeIbz2UUeLytSMjBHvKJ1BBkgCLcBGAsYHQ/s766/FilisteoAvar.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h_LDsdKLeQc/YCj3gh6NnhI/AAAAAAAAF1g/hn4VlPs-Er4QNHelhF4PamzkIWNtzvF0gCLcBGAsYHQ/s462/FilisteoAvar2.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Prsirq2pEUQ/YCj3tthZuvI/AAAAAAAAF1w/k7ddOtt8k1EBYiqTECdnQQwsSDiHqxlNACLcBGAsYHQ/s462/FilisteoAvar3.jpeg

How interesting philistine and avar. It is said that the Philistines were an Egyptian branch in the Near East and received contributions from southern Europe for a period and then became more local, how short-lived the contributions are for some and how much for others.

https://www.definicionabc.com/wp-content/uploads/historia/Imperio-Aquemenida-mapa-persas-territorio.jpg


It seems to be that and according to the story that the Philistines were diluted in the Aquemenid Empire that apparently and according to the sources began in 550 b.c. and came to occupy the current territories of Iran, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Egypt and whose capitals were Babylon and Persepolis and whose dissolution was in 330 b.c.

Ozzie
14-02-21, 14:21
I get SZ19. It is a "Langobard" from a Langobard cemetery in Hungary. That person is not of Northern European origin but of Central Italian origin.

Does anyone get Oetzi? 3300 BC, 91.48 cM.

Pax Augusta
14-02-21, 16:10
I get SZ19. It is a "Langobard" from a Langobard cemetery in Hungary. That person is not of Northern European origin but of Central Italian origin.

Does anyone get Oetzi? 3300 BC, 91.48 cM.

There were unlikely Central Italians in Hungary, Mytrueancestry's labels are invented and completely inaccurate. Any kind of similarity has likely nothing to do with Italians but with a genetic profile that could very well have been present in Hungary at that precise time. SZ19 was a female and similar to a sample from Iron Age Bulgaria I5769.

Ozzie
14-02-21, 17:06
SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.

torzio
14-02-21, 17:37
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aJqZcpoE-is/YCj3T2vxBbI/AAAAAAAAF1c/lQ4EPSW8UeIbz2UUeLytSMjBHvKJ1BBkgCLcBGAsYHQ/s766/FilisteoAvar.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-h_LDsdKLeQc/YCj3gh6NnhI/AAAAAAAAF1g/hn4VlPs-Er4QNHelhF4PamzkIWNtzvF0gCLcBGAsYHQ/s462/FilisteoAvar2.jpeg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Prsirq2pEUQ/YCj3tthZuvI/AAAAAAAAF1w/k7ddOtt8k1EBYiqTECdnQQwsSDiHqxlNACLcBGAsYHQ/s462/FilisteoAvar3.jpeg

How interesting philistine and avar. It is said that the Philistines were an Egyptian branch in the Near East and received contributions from southern Europe for a period and then became more local, how short-lived the contributions are for some and how much for others.

https://www.definicionabc.com/wp-content/uploads/historia/Imperio-Aquemenida-mapa-persas-territorio.jpg


It seems to be that and according to the story that the Philistines were diluted in the Aquemenid Empire that apparently and according to the sources began in 550 b.c. and came to occupy the current territories of Iran, Iraq, Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Russia, Cyprus, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Greece and Egypt and whose capitals were Babylon and Persepolis and whose dissolution was in 330 b.c.

Philistines came from eastern Crete

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

further archeology done by the israeli's in Ashkelon since 2019 , further proves they are cretan in origin

Carlos
14-02-21, 18:25
Philistines came from eastern Crete

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/2019/07/ancient-dna-reveal-philistine-origins/

further archeology done by the israeli's in Ashkelon since 2019 , further proves they are cretan in origin

They are mentioned in the "table of nations" in the Book of Genesis, where they are attributed to be descendants of Mizraim (i.e., from Egypt), as are the Kaftorim (i.e., those of Kaftor); since the latter have been related to the people the Egyptians called Keftiu (supposedly of Cretan origin), several theories have developed from there that determine that the origin of the Philistine people would be in Crete, the Aegean Sea or Asia Minor. This relationship, however, is also a matter of academic debate. Recent DNA analysis of individuals buried in the Philistine city of Ascalon shows that the Philistines were an intrusive population in the Middle East and that their closest relatives were in Sardinia, Greece or Spain, and were of European origin.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filisteos#Origen

Another puzzle as in almost all the cases we are dealing with. To say categorically that they were from Crete is not very convincing. It should have been a composition like everything we are seeing around here lately in reference to other ethnicities e.t.c.

Why haven't you published the haplogroups of this study in the article?


I have been curious to see my results during the time of the Archemenid Empire.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wgq5kKSwsC8/YCkCyZYWyqI/AAAAAAAAF18/D_Bt1W2i7lIx3l9ikiPrWHAMssan5IzqwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1287/FilisteoAvarMapaImperioAlequemidas.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mjXQmMXD8v4/YClRBBAQUJI/AAAAAAAAF2M/PFPITMCECeIF9OECYSOnz005T_aABMEdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/FilisteoAvarMapaImperioAlequemidasimage.py.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p9Y-up3fYvI/YCkC3CwKDuI/AAAAAAAAF2A/XtYXR0J9meAy7sLTPZ3hNKp3fTYFbgCjwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/FilisteoAvarMapaImperioAlequemidasdeepdive.jpeg

Pax Augusta
14-02-21, 19:33
SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.


In the paper SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample because they used very few reference samples in the study, IBS covers more the southwestern Europe and TSI the southern-central and southern-eastern Europe, so it was an extremely rough calculation. The paper had neither the interest nor the necessary samples to make the results more precise. These models cannot in any way suggest an exact provenance. You cannot expect that in Central Europe there were only people like the modern Hungarians (Central European) or the early Lombards (northern European), it was a period of great movements. SZ19 could have been of mixed ancestry and we will never know where she came from.

This was posted by Duarte a couple of years ago:

Kit Number: Z947904 (96,401 SNPs)
Name: SZ19
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 7.377185
1 Greek_Macedonia + Sardinian + Sicilian_Center + Sicilian_Center @ 3.155044

Just another estimate

Ancestry composition of sample: SZ19 Population: Hungary_Medieval_Szolad_o1 Medieval Europe

http://open-genomes.org/analysis/PCA/nMonte/getNmonte.html?id=SZ19-penalty-0-limit-0-only-Modern-exclude-Ashkenazi_Jew&


Even comparing SZ19 with the other ancient samples does not give a definite answer of a provenance from Italy.

https://i.imgur.com/sbH8Nn3.png

Palermo Trapani
14-02-21, 20:49
SZ19's genetic profile has nothing to do with Mytrueancestry, it comes from genetic testing of remains from Langobard cemeteries in Italy and Hungary. Maybe the researchers were wrong, or they did not use a wider array of reference samples instead of the TSI (Tuscan) or the IBS (Spanish) or the Northern European samples from Britain, the Utah Americans and a Finn sample. SZ19 comes out as having dna similar to TSI sample. The dead person may have been born in the Italian peninsula or her parents may have been slaves taken to Hungary from Italia. Who knows?

I was born in the extreme south of Europe, and I have never had a population that matched me that came from anywhere other than Southern Europe (Italy and Greece). Now had Mytrueancestry had varous Keltic or other Northern European groups matching me, then sure, their results would be total rubbish. Maybe Mytrueancestry should label SZ19: Langobard Cemetery SZ19, Hungary. It won't alter the fact the woman was Southern European genetically, not Central or Northern European.

Ozzie: A follow up to your post and Pax Augusta's, take a look at the paper by Amorim et al (2018) published in Nature entitled "Understanding 6th-century barbarian social organization and migration through paleogenomics". Figure 3 is one that I think makes things very clear, if you don't want to read through the paper. As Pax Augusta noted, the ancestry in those 2 sites is varied showing affinities with various populations in Europe. The ones in Blue seem to have more affinity with Central and Northern Europeans, the ones in Read Southern, for the most part.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4

All of my ancestors are from Sicily (rural regions of Trapani, Palermo, Agrigento from the Belice Valley to the mountain regions of Agrigento) immigrating to the USA between 1890 and 1905. I too get 3 Deep Dive matches at My True Ancestry, the samples CL36 (which is excluded in the study do to falling outside the same time period), SZ32 and CL38.

My distances using Eurogenes K13, only because it is the only one that I think has the samples from the Amorim et al 2018 paper. I used a gradiant of 100 to clearly show the distances. I also included the Single estimation for the Model which gives me a distance of 1.3 with SZ40, SZ32, SZ19, CL25 and CL31 being sources. I reviewed those samples and all have the Red (TSI) as a predominate source of ancestry. Of course, that does not mean those samples came from Tuscany (maybe they did), but suggest TSI is a proxy that captures the their ancestry. Had they used other population averages from different regions of Italy, maybe it shows from Campania, Puglia, etc, etc. Anyway, the fact that you are getting some links is not out of the question but at the same time I don' want to speak for you or anyone else for that matter.

Regard, PT



Distance to:
PalermoTrapani


2.83136010
SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


9.74105230
CL121_longobard_north_italy


10.92390498
SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp


11.47086745
CL38_longobard_north_italy


11.88104373
CL30_longobard_north_italy


12.61992076
SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century


12.62005547
CL25_longobard_north_italy


13.54852390
SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp


13.81725733
SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


13.90545576
SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


16.18128240
SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp


16.21174574
SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary


16.43947688
SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp


17.21992741
CL36_longobard_north_italy


19.74447771
CL31_longobard_north_italy


21.47632417
CL23_longobard_north_italy


21.64031885
SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


25.45926550
SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp


25.69002919
CL49_longobard_north_italy


27.63334761
CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp


28.00719550
SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


28.83064342
CL57_longobard_north_italy


29.56902433
CL47_longobard_north_italy


29.74667040
SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


31.02043359
CL53_longobard_north_italy


32.04210667
CL63_longobard_north_italy


34.18694195
SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


37.16028794
CL102_longobard_north_italy


37.74321926
SZ3_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


38.78335468
SZ23_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


40.24229119
SZ38_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


40.93615273
SZ24_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


41.06428862
SZ42_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


41.24250114
SZ8_Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6_1442_ ybp


42.71424118
SZ25_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


43.69781802
CL87_longobard_north_italy


44.38773705
SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


45.16650086
SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


45.70292660
SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


46.69101627
SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


48.72746043
SZ22_Longobard_


48.78355358
SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


48.80596582
CL83_longobard_north_italy


48.99489667
SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


49.19634743
CL92_longobard_north_italy


49.87138458
CL84_longobard_north_italy


50.57795666
CL93_longobard_north_italy


51.17443307
SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp


51.60940806
SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


51.86100365
SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


51.94972281
CL146_Longobard_


52.19776815
SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother .SZ22_1469_ybp


52.65284988
SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp


53.03977187
CL145_longobard_north_italy


55.05550018
CL151_longobard_north_italy


55.62194801
SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp







Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 1.3418% / 1.34176160 | ADC: 0.25x RC



60.6
SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp





16.3
CL25_longobard_north_italy





16.0
SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp





4.3
CL31_longobard_north_italy





2.8
SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp

Salento
14-02-21, 21:53
... my recent post about SZ19:
she shares some SNPs with me but not with anyone else, and almost all of my chrome samples share SNPs with each other.


I get SZ19, ... but in my chrome analysis she does NOT share SNPs with my other samples.
She’s alone.
... could be that SZ19's DNA is low in quality (17%), or she’s just different from them.

https://i.imgur.com/mpq59i0.jpg

Palermo Trapani
14-02-21, 22:11
Hey Salento, how are you? thanks for the post. SZ19 does not show up for me as a Deep Dive, but does show up in my Model (ADC 0.25X) and is my 3rd closest single distance of those samples from Amorim et al 2018. I would think your single distances for these samples approximates mine.

Cheers, PT

torzio
14-02-21, 22:39
... my recent post about SZ19:
she shares some SNPs with me but not with anyone else, and almost all of my chrome samples share SNPs with each other.


I have this one as


Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD
SZ19



mtDNA: HV9c
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 3.45 cM


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/TrophyAward.png You are a top 95 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.
Chr. 2
291 SNPs



Chr. 3
104 SNPs




Chr. 7
135 SNPs

Salento
15-02-21, 01:00
Hey Salento, how are you? thanks for the post. SZ19 does not show up for me as a Deep Dive, but does show up in my Model (ADC 0.25X) and is my 3rd closest single distance of those samples from Amorim et al 2018. I would think your single distances for these samples approximates mine.

Cheers, PT

@PT
I’m sure they are as our results are not that different.
But, I don’t know what you ran to get those results :)

Salento
15-02-21, 01:09
I have this one as


Central Roman / Mixed 590 AD


SZ19





mtDNA: HV9c
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 17)
4 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 7.31 cM
Largest chain: 155 SNPs / 3.45 cM


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/TrophyAward.png You are a top 95 % match to this sample! This makes your relationship to this individual exceptional.


Chr. 2
291 SNPs



Chr. 3
104 SNPs




Chr. 7
135 SNPs

@ Torzio
... my SZ19 deep dive, ... we both got a Prize with it! lol

https://i.imgur.com/OxTRIIj.jpg