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I do not know. What is that?
Native American Tribes, ... I’m in their Ancestral Land, and that’s where my IP address is from.
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 03:30
@PT
I’m sure they are as our results are not that different.
But, I don’t know what you ran to get those results :)
Salento: I ran K13 ancient with just the samples from Amorim et al 2018 only, no other ancient samples, against my K13 coordinates on vahadou genetics website. I think yours and mine will be very, very, similar to each other.
Cheers, PT:good_job:
rEALY? LOL... If this is the case, it is CONFIRMED that they are wrong again.
They're not very wrong, though they could upgrade their calculator,
... the site is Entertaining and it's upgraded often.
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 03:44
Salento: Here is the same thing I did using K13 for Dodecad 12b. Once again only the Szolad and Collegno samples from Amorim et al 2018 and running the Dodecad ancient coordinates for those samples against my own Dodecad K12 coordinates. Single Distance results and and Model using 0.25X. So Eurogenes K13 and Dodecad K12 are in my view corroborating each other suggesting to me the results from MyTrueAncestry are accurate. And for the record, my IP address is in the USA, there is no way in Hell (that is not for you Salento) that Mytrueancestry would know that 100% of my recent ancestry comes from Sicily.
Distance to:
PalermoTrapani
4.40341913
Szolad40
5.08341421
Collegno121
9.08190509
Collegno25
9.27144541
Collegno110
9.64398258
Szolad19
10.29666451
Szolad36
11.38594748
Szolad31
11.71591652
Collegno38
11.85023628
Collegno30
12.16258607
Szolad37
12.80481941
Collegno36
13.67620927
Szolad43
16.60320451
Szolad1
16.70511000
Collegno23
18.67918628
Szolad35
19.22978939
Szolad28
19.88351076
Collegno31
23.56975817
Collegno49
25.45264230
Szolad27
25.60952362
Collegno94
26.41980129
Collegno57
26.91039576
Szolad20
26.98760827
Szolad45
27.09977306
Collegno47
28.16766764
Szolad18
29.02852563
Collegno102
29.44806445
Collegno53
29.91551604
Collegno63
30.60177609
Szolad6
31.04979227
Szolad5
34.94532158
Szolad8
35.86667673
Szolad3
35.87263999
Collegno97
37.46843605
Szolad23
38.26121666
Szolad14
38.92431759
Szolad38
39.97691709
Szolad42
40.22599533
Szolad30
40.64354684
Szolad24
40.69214420
Collegno87
40.92286891
Szolad25
41.05896613
Szolad12
41.57516206
Szolad11
42.48501265
Szolad15
43.39091149
Szolad7
43.80245427
Collegno83
44.53613140
Szolad22
44.82164879
Szolad13
44.89476473
Collegno84
46.30290164
Collegno92
46.72682634
Szolad4
46.92842848
Collegno145
47.29921987
Collegno93
47.55465803
Collegno146
48.35687025
Szolad41
48.83019250
Collegno151
49.84861583
Szolad9
49.95679333
Szolad16
51.33042957
Szolad2
Target: PalermoTrapani
Distance: 0.9385% / 0.93852437 | ADC: 0.25x RC
57.0
Collegno121
16.2
Szolad19
13.4
Szolad35
13.0
Collegno30
0.4
Szolad37
SZ/CL - EU_K13 ... from top SZ40 to SZ19
... they’re not close,
... gradient 0/100
https://i.imgur.com/OZWYcWv.jpg
I don’t think they’re Mohegans ~_^
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 05:57
Salento: I think that is 5.71, which is not bad. Those are your top 12, I think mine ranged from 2.9 to 16 on Eurogenes and 4.4 to 13.6 on Dodecad. I don't know how I am that close to SZ40, it is 4.4 in Dodecad. I think you have more Deep Dive matches with these samples than I do on My True Ancestry, I think you get 5, I have 3, so I think our results are in fact similar. Here are my My True Ancestry Deep Dives for CL36, CL38 and SZ32
https://i.imgur.com/5WNA7ou.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zNoe8Q3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WPoeYLW.jpg
So I agree they aint Mohegans :) !!
Collegno “Ancient Relatives” - deep dive:
(... Szolad above, Posts 3502 and3504)
https://i.imgur.com/Ej5yW0Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dTGrIe6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Uoh6zR7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1j71jx5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2lgBWT8.jpg
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 07:06
Salento:
We both match up with CL30 and CL36. That is really neat!
Salento:
We both match up with CL30 and CL36. That is really neat!
... and SZ32 :) (post #3504)
CL and SZ, EU K13 and Deep Dive MTA
https://i.imgur.com/XeEJM6N.png
https://i.imgur.com/dgbAd83.png
https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png
https://i.imgur.com/1qGQ6ni.png
https://i.imgur.com/OwqDZdA.png
https://i.imgur.com/yaPogfU.png
Distance to:
Duarte
8.92209617
CL94_Italy_Langobard_1345_ybp
13.35065167
SZ28_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
13.63018709
CL23_longobard_north_italy
14.78544216
CL57_longobard_north_italy
15.01464618
SZ43_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1431_ybp
15.23822496
CL47_longobard_north_italy
15.48007106
CL36_longobard_north_italy
16.87518592
CL49_longobard_north_italy
17.11359986
SZ45_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
17.95805390
SZ27_Hungary_Langobard_1475_ybp
18.44588572
CL102_longobard_north_italy
18.61883455
SZ32_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
19.39258106
SZ37_Hungary_Langobard_1447_ybp
19.39273833
SZ36_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
19.61006119
SZ18_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
19.61064252
SZ3_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
20.20421738
CL53_longobard_north_italy
20.50905897
CL63_longobard_north_italy
21.06199183
SZ31_Longobard_M_T1a1a_PF5620_U4c2a_60th_century
22.14608092
SZ1_Hungary_BA.SG_3950_ybp
22.38920275
SZ1.SG_longobard_hungary
22.73218643
SZ23_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
22.88419105
SZ19_Hungary_Langobard_1463_ybp
22.97635524
SZ5_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
23.90454768
SZ8_Hungary_Langobard_sister.SZ14_sister.SZ6_1442_ ybp
24.00562018
CL87_longobard_north_italy
24.08634883
CL121_longobard_north_italy
24.44973006
SZ24_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
24.83170755
SZ38_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
26.81546009
SZ14_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
28.08508679
SZ42_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
28.37695896
SZ30_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
28.80630313
SZ12_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
29.04384444
SZ40_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
29.52697411
CL83_longobard_north_italy
30.23473665
SZ11_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
30.48051017
CL84_longobard_north_italy
30.71368099
SZ15_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
31.05534254
SZ25_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
31.21394240
SZ7_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
31.44890936
CL31_longobard_north_italy
31.78984901
SZ22_Longobard_
32.09671790
CL92_longobard_north_italy
32.81404882
CL146_Longobard_
33.00942744
SZ9_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
33.13326727
CL93_longobard_north_italy
33.35873649
SZ4_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
33.73262960
SZ41_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
34.23587446
SZ13_Hungary_Langobard_son.SZ24_father.SZ7_brother .SZ22_1469_ybp
34.75213087
SZ16_Hungary_Langobard_1442_ybp
35.27935232
CL145_longobard_north_italy
36.28436716
CL38_longobard_north_italy
36.52376487
CL151_longobard_north_italy
37.91142704
CL30_longobard_north_italy
38.58185325
SZ2_Hungary_Langobard.SG_1442_ybp
39.08268287
CL25_longobard_north_italy
... and SZ32 :) (post #3504)
Hi Salento:
The guy below seems to be your ancestral yDNA cousin:
https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png
Hi Salento:
The guy below seems to be your ancestral yDNA cousin:
https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png
he is actually
Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period
CL23 ( 1310 -1380 yBP )
Phase: I
Y-DNA: T1a2b1a1-CTS6071 (x Y21207, CTS7303)
.................................................. .......
.
(https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS933/)
SZ36 is the other branch of T ..........T1a1 branch
Szólád ( Early Medieval ) Lombard Period
SZ36
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a2b2-PF7275 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y15711/)
mtDNA: U4c2a
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 18:43
... and SZ32 :) (post #3504)
Man it was late when I was posting, yep good ole pasta and pizza lover SZ32! I will throw in some cannoli and arancini. So in fact, you match up with 9 of those samples. That is really interesting. So I think Amorim et al 2018 while not capturing exactly in Italy where these samples that you and I (and others) share Deep Dive matches, I think they are capturing Italian genetic affinity. But 9 of those samples that you get Deep Dive matches, really cool.:good_job:
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 19:02
Duarte: Regards to your post #3517, I think that is kind of consistent with what we have seen with lots of these recent papers. There is genetic affinity with folks from Iberia and Southern France with NW Italy, which is where the Collegno site was. As you and Salento I am sure recall and know without me having to tell you, the Antonio et al 2019 paper documented 8 of those Iron Age Roman samples clustered with Northern Italians to Southern France to Spain, etc. You have 6 Deep dives, 4 of them from the Collegno site. Interesting results!
Duarte: Regards to your post #3517, I think that is kind of consistent with what we have seen with lots of these recent papers. There is genetic affinity with folks from Iberia and Southern France with NW Italy, which is where the Collegno site was. As you and Salento I am sure recall and know without me having to tell you, the Antonio et al 2019 paper documented 8 of those Iron Age Roman samples clustered with Northern Italians to Southern France to Spain, etc. You have 6 Deep dives, 4 of them from the Collegno site. Interesting results!
Hi PTrapani,
Thank you and cheers :good_job:
Hi Salento:
The guy below seems to be your ancestral yDNA cousin:
https://i.imgur.com/6rScyhb.png
Thanks Duarte, vale :good_job:
... Você também é parente do Primo de Collegno.
He's your cousin too :)
@PT ... leave the Arancini, take the Cannoli :)
Thanks Duarte, vale :good_job:
... Você também é parente do Primo de Collegno.
He's your cousin too :)
:good_job::smile:
Thank you by Portuguese :smile:
Palermo Trapani
15-02-21, 22:55
Thanks Duarte, vale :good_job:
... Você também é parente do Primo de Collegno.
He's your cousin too :)
@PT ... leave the Arancini, take the Cannoli :)
HA!, your reference is definitely one of the great lines in American Cinema.
Chroma 20 Analysis
20a :
https://i.imgur.com/P65H62v.jpg
20b :
https://i.imgur.com/d6fi0lW.jpg
20c :
https://i.imgur.com/Bz0soso.jpg
23v4
Chome 20a :
https://i.imgur.com/5LSnQLx.jpg
20b :
https://i.imgur.com/Q87dv9t.jpg
Chrome 8
https://i.imgur.com/gbjziEn.jpg
... another chrome 8 (23v4)
:thinking:... though it could have happened even in Texas,
Otzi and Skeleton-Lake ended up on the frozen mountains of two different continents.
https://i.imgur.com/Jc6JwEQ.jpg
New Deep Dive and to think that only a couple of years ago I was criticizing the perfect and incredible orthodontics of the Vikings in the movies and TV shows.
I have 3 Deep dives and tons of Viking matches, not bad, it was such a monopolized theme that I really didn't expect it.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hdcXVVl0nNo/YDEij7c-CAI/AAAAAAAAF2g/ZSk6mFN0u5cEBnoW9Os5fWdw2n5tTfM1QCLcBGAsYHQ/s1310/VikingAgeBogovejGravDenmark950ADVK286.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kBS5fnZvGCs/X81yZPrZJsI/AAAAAAAAFIY/qpeFuul7JuspusMN6zl9JpBP5xPf2zQyQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1316/VikingSt.BriceMassacreOxfordVK146.JPEG
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iueNsecR06c/X8V9ZWH87kI/AAAAAAAAE6Q/dwrF2Y0SzOIXQGNy6PonRuWHU8CPaliLQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1320/VikingAGeKardaSwedenVK265.JPEG
Some of the new matches:
650. Medieval Winchester Chapel Leper
1085 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.33 - SK8
1. Welsh (16.56)
2. West_German (18.45)
3. Flemish (18.95)
4. Southwest_English (19.16)
5. French (19.57)
6. South_Dutch (19.84)
7. Southeast_English (20.49)
8. North_Dutch (20.50)
649. Bronze Age Singen am Hohentwiel
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - MX270
1. Orcadian (12.13)
2. Irish (12.67)
3. West_Scottish (12.85)
4. Southwest_English (12.87)
5. Southeast_English (12.98)
6. Welsh (14.78)
7. North_Dutch (15.06)
8. Danish (16.17)
648. Roman Villa Granada Spain
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - I4054
1. North_Italian (17.21)
2. Tuscan (18.38)
3. Portuguese (18.90)
4. Spanish_Galicia (19.27)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (19.49)
6. Spanish_Murcia (19.87)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (21.51)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (21.59)
647. Halstatt
775 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - DA112
1. East_German (8.761)
2. German_Central (8.868)
3. Hungarian (11.56)
4. Welsh (13.14)
5. Flemish (13.57)
6. West_German (13.74)
7. South_Dutch (13.86)
8. Southwest_Finnish (14.09)
646. Greco-Era Emporion
450 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.32 - I8344
1. Spanish_Basque (19.30)
2. French_Basque (22.28)
3. Southeast_English (23.88)
4. Southwest_English (23.91)
5. Irish (24.20)
6. West_Scottish (24.35)
7. Orcadian (24.68)
8. Spanish_Aragon (26.17)
645. Trypillian Moldova
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.31 - Gordinesti
1. North_Italian (16.84)
2. Sardinian (17.86)
3. Tuscan (18.20)
4. Spanish_Andalucia (19.93)
5. Portuguese (20.65)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (20.79)
7. Spanish_Murcia (20.93)
8. Spanish_Valencia (21.56)
644. Samborzec Bronze Age Poland
2290 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.31 - I4253
1. West_Scottish (8.173)
2. Irish (8.613)
3. Southeast_English (8.854)
4. Orcadian (9.014)
5. Danish (9.561)
6. Southwest_English (10.18)
7. North_German (10.61)
8. North_Dutch (10.63)
643. Iron Age Kesznyeten-Szeruskert Hungary
480 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.27 - I20747
1. French_Basque (21.61)
2. Southwest_French (22.92)
3. Spanish_Aragon (24.24)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (24.41)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (24.67)
6. Spanish_Basque (25.11)
7. Spanish_Valencia (25.26)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (26.09)
642. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.27 - VK535
1. Tuscan (7.808)
2. West_Sicilian (9.792)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (11.39)
4. Albanian_Tosk (12.30)
5. East_Sicilian (12.31)
6. North_Italian (12.43)
7. South_Italian (12.48)
8. Central_Greek (12.69)
641. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz
300 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.26 - PCA103_Mas16
1. Austrian (18.12)
2. East_German (18.87)
3. Czech (19.54)
4. Croatian (21.38)
5. South_Dutch (21.39)
6. North_German (21.76)
7. Polish (21.90)
8. Southwest_French (21.94)
640. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.25 - VK31
1. Irish (17.28)
2. Southeast_English (18.02)
3. West_Scottish (18.02)
4. Southwest_English (18.68)
5. Orcadian (19.65)
6. North_Dutch (21.07)
7. Danish (21.16)
8. North_German (21.32)
639. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
410 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.21 - STR241
1. Irish (8.064)
2. West_Scottish (8.719)
3. Southeast_English (9.057)
4. Southwest_English (9.307)
5. Orcadian (9.701)
6. North_Dutch (9.919)
7. Welsh (10.61)
8. Danish (11.08)
638. Plague Victim Pestbacken Blekinge Sweden
1700 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - PC6-PEB10
1. Danish (11.94)
2. South_Dutch (12.08)
3. Flemish (12.16)
4. North_German (12.30)
5. Southwest_English (13.05)
6. Southeast_English (13.09)
7. Welsh (13.30)
8. North_Swedish (13.31)
637. Glavanesti Bronze Age Romania
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 26.2 - I11913
1. Norwegian (6.036)
2. Welsh (6.069)
3. North_Dutch (6.129)
4. Swedish (6.828)
5. Danish (7.140)
6. North_German (7.593)
7. Southwest_English (7.768)
8. German_Central (7.793)
my 2nd cousin John ( Zane ) his paternal side is ydna of I1
his results
20. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.864 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users
75. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 14.33 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users
I3499 is
I3499, Vucedol, 2884-2666 calBCEI3499
mtDNA: T2e
Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a2
..........................
all 98 or 99% of his BC results for his I1 ydna marker
24. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.47 - I4331
Top 98 % match vs all users
26. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.71 - MOK17
Top 99 % match vs all users
32. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.49 - MOK26
Top 98 % match vs all users
34. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.55 - I4332
Top 98 % match vs all users
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.445 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
10. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.625 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
11. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.921 - scy197b
Top 99 % match vs all users
13. Scythian Southern Moldova
270 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.109 - scy192
Top 99 % match vs all users
56. Scythian Southern Moldova
290 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.28 - scy300
Top 98 % match vs all users
.................................................
Your closest genetic modern populations...
Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/dashboard/main.py#)
1. North_Italian (2.972)
2. Tuscan (7.220)
3. Spanish_Murcia (11.28)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (11.31)
5. Portuguese (11.39)
6. Kosovar (11.62)
7. Albanian_Tosk (11.79)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (11.98)
some VK Foggia Chrome Relatives
... older 1150 AD VK534 and VK537 share SNPs with each other, ...younger 1240 AD VK535 does not.
:thinking: AncestryDNA updated the Maps, but ... no Salento for me, ... not cool, ... though MyHeritage does :)
https://i.imgur.com/oREj3rn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/unCU954.jpg
AncestryDNA map above ...
MyHeritage below:
... you complete me :grin:
https://i.imgur.com/4nZvr7o.jpg
A few in a row, I don't know if it has anything to do with them being run in that position but just in case there they go, you never know where the hare can jump and you have to be prepared.
475. Iron Age Colmar France
340 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.57 - COL153A
Visigoth + Ostrogoth (9.657)
Visigoth + Frank (10.44)
Gaul + Ostrogoth (10.87)
Ostrogoth + Frank (10.87)
Visigoth (10.97)
Visigoth + Gaul (11.01)
Gaul (12.48)
Frank (12.48)
Ostrogoth (14.81)
Thuringii (16.3)
476. Grotte du Rouquet Moujan France
3080 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.59 - ROUQV
Lusitanian + Latin (10.02)
Lusitanian + Etruscan (10.22)
Latin (10.37)
Ligurian + Latin (10.91)
Ligurian (12.34)
Lusitanian + Gallo-Roman (12.41)
Latin + Etruscan (12.43)
Etruscan (16.58)
Gallo-Roman (17.06)
Lusitanian (18.7)
477. Bronze Age Yehud Southern Levant
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.61 - I6932
Ligurian + Carthaginian (16.05)
Latin + Carthaginian (16.95)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (16.99)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (19.67)
478. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - SZ36
Roman (Genetic match)
479. Post-Roman Sierra de Alhama
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.63 - I3584
Latin (9.694)
Latin + Etruscan (12.04)
Ligurian + Latin (12.95)
Iberian + Latin (12.95)
Gallo-Roman + Latin (13.38)
Ligurian + Etruscan (14.83)
Etruscan (15.52)
Ligurian (17.33)
Iberian (17.57)
Gallo-Roman (18.01)
Carlos' father's kit (Grey point) vs Carlos' Kit (White point)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hDiqhjqPts8/YDLhI5v-l4I/AAAAAAAAF3w/2IMHbbMatrwsXlmr8krLvODxWtO0J19zQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Pap%25C3%25A1KitandMyKit.jpeg
Carlos' father's kit (Grey point) vs Carlos' Kit (White point)
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hDiqhjqPts8/YDLhI5v-l4I/AAAAAAAAF3w/2IMHbbMatrwsXlmr8krLvODxWtO0J19zQCLcBGAsYHQ/s643/Pap%25C3%25A1KitandMyKit.jpeg
The white points aren’t just yours, they're your mother's too, I think :)
The white points aren’t just yours, they're your mother's too, I think :)
Yes, I understood it that way too. It seems that the two had been seeing each other on a few occasions for some time.
Some of my father's MTA results. Now I have so many open flanks with this topic....
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5F7LAM41-lI/YDRyfR_hZvI/AAAAAAAAF4U/39StzoUmnTQYSO5H9Sk2-AcP7Ojx4r7zgCLcBGAsYHQ/s691/ClosestAncientPopulations.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E81869TAHdY/YDSDfhKh3AI/AAAAAAAAF6g/_IoErFIr7FM4frcmgGd2G3dkPCVEtHmgwCLcBGAsYHQ/s807/ModernPopulations.jpeg
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In the Iron Age it is complete Etruscan
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They are my father's Deep Dives, I don't edit because it gets lost and you have to start over. I've already seen the ones I have and some I don't have, I'll see it now. How do you see it, who is it about?
Your Outlier Samples... (Father)
289. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia
1400 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.57 - I8146
Phoenician (6.021)
Phoenician + Carthaginian (8.113)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (10.53)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (10.55)
Etruscan + Phoenician (11.41)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (11.46)
Carthaginian (13.87)
Roman Hispania (16.78)
Etruscan (17.99)
291. Late Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1450 AD - Genetic Distance: 20.64 - SNN001
Phoenician + Balari (13.79)
Etruscan + Iolaes (13.91)
Etruscan + Balari (14.08)
Phoenician + Iolaes (14.16)
Carthaginian + Balari (14.68)
Balari (17.71)
331. Bronze Age Leith Edinburgh Scotland
1535 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.6 - I5470
Iberian + Aquitani (11.48)
Iberian + Vascones (11.69)
Celt + Iberian (12.9)
Iberian + Celtiberian (13.57)
Aquitani + Celtiberian (16.41)
350. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
2800 BC - Genetic Distance: 21.97 - MX299
Iberian + Aquitani (13.83)
Iberian + Etruscan (15.11)
Iberian (15.27)
Iberian + Vascones (15.73)
Iberian + Rhaeti (15.79)
Aquitani (16.64)
Vascones + Aquitani (18.13)
363. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age
1593 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.33 - OTTM_142
Celt + Belgae (11.6)
Belgae (12.18)
Belgae + Saxon (13.86)
Belgae + Frank (14.3)
Visigoth + Belgae (15.02)
Celt (15.11)
Visigoth + Celt (16.02)
Frank (19.77)
370. Bronze Age Boscombe Airfield England
1680 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.52 - I2464
Belgae + Early Slav (5.201)
Celt + Early Slav (6.644)
Ostrogoth + Early Slav (7.579)
Boii + Early Slav (10.26)
Belgae + Boii (11.2)
Belgae (14.93)
Boii (15.15)
Ostrogoth (18.26)
Early Slav (18.84)
374. Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.61 - R59
Roman (5.559)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.395)
Ancient Greek + Roman (6.617)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.059)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (7.247)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (7.511)
Roman Hispania (12.28)
Ancient Greek (12.38)
Thracian (14.96)
Gallo-Roman (15.91)
376. Late Medieval Latvia Riga Dome Church
1622 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.63 - RG161c
Viking Icelandic + Celtiberian (8.763)
Celt + Celtiberian (8.764)
Belgae + Celtiberian (9.656)
Viking Icelandic + Vascones (10.92)
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (11.44)
Belgae (13.85)
Celtiberian (14.69)
Celt (15.66)
Vascones (15.7)
Viking Icelandic (15.71)
383. Iron Age Kesznyeten-Szeruskert Hungary
480 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.76 - I20747
Belgae + Iberian (19.98)
Belgae (21.88)
Belgae + Aquitani (22.22)
Belgae + Vascones (22.81)
Belgae + Gallo-Roman (23.08)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (23.79)
Aquitani (25.79)
Iberian (25.9)
Vascones (26.11)
Gallo-Roman (27.4)
389. Carthaginian/Punic Sardinia Villamar
250 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.87 - VIL006
Carthaginian (Genetic match)
392. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon
1250 AD - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - SI-53
Crusader (Genetic match)
393. Neolithic Ireland
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 22.89 - Ballynahatty
Etruscan + Balari (3.858)
Phoenician + Balari (5.294)
Carthaginian + Balari (6.327)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.81)
Latin + Balari (9.871)
Phoenician (12.18)
Etruscan (14.52)
Balari (15.89)
Carthaginian (16.6)
Latin (19.05)
405. Late Neolithic Oberbipp Switzerland
3300 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.05 - MX219
Iberian + Etruscan (11.28)
Iberian + Phoenician (11.38)
Iberian + Rhaeti (12.06)
Iberian + Aquitani (13.61)
Iberian (13.65)
Aquitani + Phoenician (16.21)
Etruscan (17.06)
Aquitani (17.65)
Rhaeti (18.08)
406. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.09 - V5P
Viking Icelandic + Belgae (4.466)
Belgae + Saxon (7.234)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (7.254)
Celt + Belgae (7.408)
Viking Icelandic (8.153)
Viking Icelandic + Saxon (8.518)
Celt (9.3)
Viking Danish (11.61)
Belgae (12.96)
Saxon (13.14)
408. Carthago-Etruscan Civitavecchia
650 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.18 - R475
Phoenician + Carthaginian (5.009)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (6.364)
Philistine + Phoenician (6.686)
Carthaginian (6.8)
Phoenician (7.36)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (7.944)
Philistine + Carthaginian (8.145)
Philistine (13.51)
Roman Hispania (16.02)
Etruscan (17.07)
412. Central Roman Celio Military Hospital
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.22 - R35
Philistine + Thracian (3.467)
Philistine + Roman (4.883)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (5.599)
Roman Hispania + Roman (5.984)
Ancient Greek + Roman (6.042)
Roman (6.226)
Ancient Greek (11.03)
Roman Hispania (11.11)
Thracian (11.67)
Philistine (14.71)
416. Iberian / Ilergetes Tribe
550 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.29 - I3322
Iberian (Genetic match)
420. Imperial Roman Era Sardinia
200 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.43 - AMC001
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (4.472)
Roman + Carthaginian (6.466)
Thracian + Carthaginian (6.617)
Roman Hispania + Phoenician (9.07)
Roman + Phoenician (9.247)
Roman Hispania (10.36)
Carthaginian (11.12)
Roman (13.11)
Thracian (15.48)
Phoenician (15.49)
425. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.56 - R836
Philistine + Roman (9.784)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (10.36)
Roman + Thracian (10.59)
Philistine + Gallo-Roman (10.68)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (10.69)
Roman (11.5)
Philistine (15.22)
Gallo-Roman (16.01)
Ancient Greek (16.55)
Thracian (17.41)
431. Bronze Age Wehringen
1972 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.62 - WEHR_1474
Thuringii (19.67)
433. Rossberga Neolithic Valtorp Sweden
3120 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.64 - ros3
Etruscan + Balari (2.287)
Iberian + Balari (2.441)
Latin + Balari (6.432)
Phoenician + Balari (7.846)
Iberian + Phoenician (11.54)
Balari (14.52)
Etruscan (14.84)
Phoenician (16.54)
Latin (17.17)
Iberian (17.52)
442. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.8 - I12031
Scythian + Gaul (6.59)
Scythian + Frank (7.649)
Scythian + Thuringii (7.837)
Gaul (8.718)
Visigoth + Scythian (8.924)
Gaul + Thuringii (8.966)
Thuringii (11.34)
Scythian (11.65)
Frank (11.78)
Visigoth (13.6)
443. Danish Viking Medieval Denmark
1150 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.82 - G57
Viking Danish + Belgae (3.866)
Viking Danish + Celt (4.925)
Viking Danish (5.37)
Celt + Belgae (5.393)
Belgae + Saxon (5.491)
Viking Danish + Frank (6.51)
Celt (7.28)
Frank (9.399)
Belgae (9.802)
Saxon (10.79)
447. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.85 - R60
Roman (4.432)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (4.924)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.091)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (5.769)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.37)
Roman + Thracian (6.857)
Hellenic Roman (11.56)
Roman Hispania (13.56)
Gallo-Roman (13.77)
Thracian (13.92)
448. Medieval Sardinia
1300 AD - Genetic Distance: 23.87 - Geridu2568-1
Ancient Greek + Phoenician (3.87)
Philistine + Phoenician (6.292)
Ancient Greek + Roman Hispania (7.403)
Philistine + Carthaginian (7.709)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (8.324)
Phoenician (10.81)
Carthaginian (10.93)
Philistine (12.02)
Roman Hispania (14.66)
Ancient Greek (15.01)
449. Bronze Age Jinonice Prague Czech
2215 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.91 - I4896
Visigoth + Celt (2.797)
Celt + Frank (3.561)
Gaul + Saxon (3.702)
Celt + Gaul (3.784)
Saxon + Frank (4.86)
Frank (6.733)
Visigoth (7.895)
Celt (8.987)
Gaul (9.445)
Saxon (9.703)
454. North Alpine Middle Bronze Age Outlier
1756 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.98 - OTTM_154
Belgae + Phoenician (20.54)
Iberian + Gallo-Roman (20.71)
Iberian + Illyrian (20.73)
Belgae + Iberian (22.34)
Illyrian + Phoenician (22.47)
Illyrian (24.14)
Gallo-Roman (25.22)
Belgae (25.39)
Phoenician (25.98)
Iberian (26.02)
455. Neolithic Orkney Islands
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 23.98 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (4.77)
Carthaginian + Balari (5.445)
Phoenician + Balari (5.447)
Latin + Balari (8.491)
Latin + Carthaginian (9.617)
Phoenician (13.01)
Etruscan (15.55)
Balari (15.66)
Carthaginian (16.19)
Latin (18.09)
457. Imperial Rome Cluana Ancona
165 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.01 - R835
Roman (Genetic match)
466. Bronze Age Dagger Koenigsbrunn
2046 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.15 - OBKR_80
Celt + Saxon (5.912)
Celt + Vandal (6.035)
Saxon (6.519)
Vandal + Saxon (7.079)
Visigoth + Saxon (7.135)
Celt + Frank (7.23)
Celt (7.989)
Vandal (9.211)
Frank (10.34)
Visigoth (10.87)
467. Scotland Late Bronze Age
900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.19 - I2860
Celt + Belgae (5.658)
Belgae + Saxon (5.704)
Celt + Saxon (6.005)
Belgae + Vandal (6.291)
Celt (6.343)
Celt + Frank (8.07)
Saxon (9.427)
Frank (11.46)
Vandal (12.41)
Belgae (12.45)
468. Bell Beaker Scotland
2145 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.21 - I5471
Visigoth + Saxon (4.582)
Visigoth + Frank (4.772)
Saxon + Frank (4.794)
Frank (5.02)
Visigoth (5.106)
Visigoth + Celt (5.575)
Celt + Frank (5.613)
Saxon (6.494)
Celt (9.965)
Longobard (12.29)
470. Niedertiefenbach Western Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.26 - Niedertiefenbach40
Iberian + Balari (4.046)
Rhaeti + Balari (5.119)
Etruscan + Balari (6.537)
Latin + Balari (6.629)
Iberian + Latin (12.83)
Etruscan (16.04)
Iberian (16.04)
Latin (16.43)
Balari (16.51)
Rhaeti (17.45)
476. Medieval Ireland Kilteasheen
950 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.36 - KT32
Celt + Belgae (4.283)
Pict + Belgae (6.347)
Viking Danish + Belgae (7.596)
Pict + Celt (7.695)
Viking Icelandic + Celt (8.075)
Celt (9.544)
Pict (10.97)
Viking Danish (11.42)
Belgae (11.87)
Viking Icelandic (13.35)
477. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark
1400 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.39 - Rise47
Celt + Belgae (4.061)
Celt + Saxon (6.032)
Celt (6.367)
Belgae + Vandal (6.82)
Belgae + Saxon (7.133)
Celt + Frank (7.454)
Saxon (8.904)
Vandal (12.35)
Frank (13.0)
Belgae (13.04)
478. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.46 - Niedertiefenbach35
Latin (11.53)
Latin + Etruscan (11.88)
Iberian + Latin (12.15)
Latin + Rhaeti (12.76)
Gallo-Roman + Latin (14.1)
Iberian + Etruscan (14.19)
Etruscan (15.87)
Iberian (16.57)
Rhaeti (16.74)
Gallo-Roman (17.81)
479. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.49 - VK535
Ancient Greek + Roman (2.28)
Roman + Thracian (2.561)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (3.833)
Roman (4.755)
Ancient Greek + Thracian (4.878)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.782)
Thracian (8.009)
Ancient Greek (10.37)
Roman Hispania (12.57)
Hellenic Roman (13.11)
481. Niedertiefenbach Bronze Age Germany
3200 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.56 - Niedertiefenbach23
Latin + Balari (3.218)
Iberian + Balari (4.171)
Rhaeti + Balari (5.386)
Etruscan + Balari (5.807)
Latin + Etruscan (12.33)
Latin (12.43)
Etruscan (15.87)
Iberian (16.69)
Rhaeti (16.91)
Balari (17.23)
483. Phoenician/Punic Sardinia Mount Sirai
675 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - MSR002
Thracian + Carthaginian (7.734)
Roman + Carthaginian (8.358)
Roman Hispania + Carthaginian (8.415)
Philistine + Roman Hispania (8.874)
Roman Hispania + Roman (10.1)
Roman Hispania (11.19)
Roman (12.69)
Carthaginian (13.53)
Thracian (14.57)
Philistine (14.78)
485. Early Bronze Age Plymouth
1840 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.59 - I5441
Celt + Belgae (7.169)
Celt + Saxon (8.189)
Belgae + Saxon (8.535)
Celt + Frank (9.947)
Belgae + Vandal (10.5)
Celt (10.65)
Saxon (14.43)
Belgae (14.64)
Vandal (15.36)
Frank (15.45)
486. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
1110 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.61 - R57
Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.01)
Roman + Thracian (7.03)
Ancient Greek + Roman (7.138)
Roman (7.258)
Ancient Greek + Thracian (7.668)
Ancient Greek + Gallo-Roman (7.837)
Ancient Greek (12.31)
Thracian (13.35)
Gallo-Roman (14.31)
Roman Hispania (15.33)
488. Copper Age Bell Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.63 - I7249
Celt + Ostrogoth (3.704)
Saxon + Ostrogoth (4.876)
Celt + Saxon (5.586)
Visigoth + Ostrogoth (5.81)
Ostrogoth + Frank (6.077)
Saxon (6.675)
Celt (7.797)
Ostrogoth (9.046)
Frank (9.427)
Visigoth (10.31)
490. Sicily Buffa II Early Bronze Age
2150 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.65 - I3123
Phoenician + Carthaginian (6.437)
Etruscan + Carthaginian (6.988)
Philistine + Phoenician (7.08)
Ancient Greek + Etruscan (7.444)
Phoenician (7.927)
Carthaginian (8.383)
Ancient Greek + Phoenician (8.387)
Philistine (13.6)
Etruscan (17.37)
Ancient Greek (18.47)
495. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 24.79 - R1290
Hellenic Roman + Roman (4.137)
Roman + Thracian (4.81)
Ancient Greek + Roman (4.861)
Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (5.054)
Roman (5.232)
Roman Hispania + Roman (6.442)
Hellenic Roman (9.899)
Thracian (9.928)
Roman Hispania (11.49)
Ancient Greek (12.05)
496. Bronze Age Scotland
1450 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.81 - I2653
Celt + Saxon (3.298)
Celt + Vandal (4.019)
Celt + Longobard (4.89)
Celt (5.222)
Vandal + Saxon (5.461)
Celt + Frank (5.582)
Saxon (5.833)
Vandal (6.956)
Frank (11.13)
Longobard (12.16)
498. Bischwihr Bronze Age Alsace France
1900 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.82 - BIS385
Visigoth + Saxon (4.715)
Visigoth + Celt (5.382)
Visigoth + Vandal (5.494)
Saxon + Frank (5.854)
Vandal + Frank (6.489)
Frank (6.882)
Saxon (8.127)
Visigoth (10.12)
Vandal (10.73)
Celt (10.76)
500. Bronze Age Chippenham Cambridgeshire England
1850 BC - Genetic Distance: 24.88 - I7639
Celtiberian + Saxon (8.053)
Celt + Celtiberian (8.235)
Vascones + Saxon (10.76)
Celt + Belgae (11.09)
Celt + Vascones (11.09)
Celt (14.84)
Belgae (16.34)
Saxon (18.85)
Vascones (19.11)
Celtiberian (19.15)
534. Neolithic Scotland
3220 BC - Genetic Distance: 25.51 - I7554
Etruscan + Balari (5.906)
Latin + Balari (8.227)
Latin + Carthaginian (8.954)
Carthaginian + Balari (9.738)
Latin + Phoenician (10.32)
Etruscan (14.06)
Latin (14.62)
Carthaginian (16.35)
Phoenician (17.32)
Balari (18.48)
619. Germanic Medieval Duomo San Nicola Sardinia
1500 AD - Genetic Distance: 26.78 - SNN001
Alemanni + Ligurian (9.743)
Alemanni + Frank (10.91)
Alemanni + Ostrogoth (11.11)
Vandal + Ligurian (11.77)
Vandal + Frank (12.59)
Alemanni (13.1)
Ostrogoth (13.85)
Frank (14.44)
Vandal (15.35)
Ligurian (15.95)
And also my father gets this sample that I don't get and have already lost.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sxwxn-RAubA/YDZcyzxFRvI/AAAAAAAAF6o/7GXLmJ9rfhw9SVsm_GzXlRoEsyBTErdpwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1309/ModernPeriod.jpeg
... it doesn't say who they are,
... I guess they’re 28 tourists from Salento on their Roman working vacation,
... I’m sure they liked money too :grin:
https://i.imgur.com/140teKa.jpg
... 23andme vs 23andme :)
... nah, ... they’re 28 Ancient Romans, ... totally :grin:
... it doesn't say who they are,
... I guess they’re 28 tourists from Salento on their Roman working vacation,
... I’m sure they liked money too :grin:
https://i.imgur.com/140teKa.jpg
... 23andme vs 23andme :)
Imperial Rome relatives with Exceptional Relationship:
https://i.imgur.com/MKmvRfC.jpg
... since the small numbers,
imho modern y T men are the descendants of a few formidable survivors from primordial Tribes destroyed by war / invasion, or an apocalyptic event.
... survival of the fittest / natural selection.
That's why we're few, ... though tough and smart :)
https://i.imgur.com/VfJG0UW.jpg
I was going to say “tougher and smarter than average”, ... and though correct in an evolutionary sense, it would have sounded arrogant, ... and so I didn’t say it out of modesty :)
... it doesn't say who they are,
... I guess they’re 28 tourists from Salento on their Roman working vacation,
... I’m sure they liked money too :grin:
https://i.imgur.com/140teKa.jpg
... 23andme vs 23andme :)
It is obvious!!!
My father's Deep Dive and then my own.
Father
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lhRV4UNOQ4w/YDpbN27xAXI/AAAAAAAAF7g/K0PYD_JCIv0Wi5igUrLyoY7R820iXpBvQCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/Timeline1Timeline1.jpeg.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o4yD3dd8_so/YDpbdzJWWLI/AAAAAAAAF7o/qIYmVzOSUIQP-k5OYeyBTwIIAAEjRgAvwCLcBGAsYHQ/s2048/Timeline2mel.jpeg
Mine
game over
... if you don't get the credit you deserve, ... delete the thread.
Some updates here.
The most intriguing is the Bronze Age Tepe Hissar I2514 in the Asia map.
(Although part of the report is currently incorrect, mixing information with information from a medieval Iberian sample.
The location of Tepe Hissar itself on the map is also a bit rough (as far as I know, the location is immediately southeast of the Caspian Sea in northeastern Iran)
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/162688077_10226932701282913_133792883792244786_o.j pg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=KhgXuZRDSd8AX9pBp_M&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=26fcb217a6474eeb9ef12b106a2db816&oe=607EAE0B
My genetic ethnicity : Tuscan
12685
Im more than 80% ancient Roman ..i suppose, the illyrian snips are probably a pre-historic ancient genetic match; in fact those illyrians are more similari to the South West of Europe than to current populations in the ballkans
The fascinating snips of Minoans are either linked to the fact that at the etruscan time in my region there were lots of trade with them.. Or a link to the colonization of Magna Graecia in South Italy
And the Phoenicians are sure linked to their trade and colonies in costal South Italy
I got no etruscans, as it seems they were genetically strong South West european
Hello, what is the data of the Serbs who sent their raw data to MyTrueAncestry?
my top 3 ...............number 3 is a new one
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 100 % match vs all users
2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.038 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 99 % match vs all users
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my oldest matches
14. Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.16 - I7043
Top 99 % match vs all users
44. Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
2775 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.31 - I3499
Top 98 % match vs all users
53. Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.9 - I5017
Top 95 % match vs all users
my father top 3
1. Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 7.095 - MOK10
Top 99 % match vs all users
2. Cisalpine Gaul
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.072 - SZ45
Top 97 % match vs all users
3. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.192 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
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my 1st cousin from Cles-trentino top 3 ..................she is from my paternal Gfather sister line
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 3.445 - R1
Top 100 % match vs all users
2. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.549 - CL36 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.369 - SZ43
Top 99 % match vs all users
Broion BR003. New sample available on MTA
https://i.imgur.com/0XnUuVC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZA3AcJH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5I3IvA0.jpg
Palermo Trapani
22-05-21, 16:55
Duarte: Nice results (post #3549) with the Broion samples. I know you got some good distances with some of the Northern Italian Clustered samples in Antonio et al 2019 as well. So some consistent results across the two different samples used in the Antonio et al 2019 and Saupe et al 2021 papers.
Duarte: Nice results (post #3549) with the Broion samples. I know you got some good distances with some of the Northern Italian Clustered samples in Antonio et al 2019 as well. So some consistent results across the two different samples used in the Antonio et al 2019 and Saupe et al 2021 papers.
Hello Trapani.
Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???
The Veneti are much later culture.
Palermo Trapani
22-05-21, 17:15
Hello Trapani.
Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???
The Veneti are much later culture.
Yes, they do get sloppy with there archeological labeling. Still a big fan of the product.
Yes, they do get sloppy with there archeological labeling. Still a big fan of the product.
I am a big fan too. :)
Stil loving the graphics and the and the usual readiness to follow new studies and collect sample data to make available to users of the application.
Hello Trapani.
Yes. I take many matches that go back to BA in these region of Europe (Northeast Italy, Hungary, Czechia, Northwest Serbia, Dalmatia). Once again, IMO, MTA slips on old samples labeling. Heneti (Veneti) ???
The Veneti are much later culture.
Heneti/Veneti they refer to are the Eneti a Palaic people from north-west Asia minor ( anatolia ) who have been linked with the Veneti of Italy and the Istrians ( histrians )
The country of Pala can be located in the Black Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) region. There are two possibilities where Pala may have laid in this region. The first possibility is the country known as Paphlagonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia) in classical antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity). The second possibility is the territory which was called Blaene (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blaene&action=edit&redlink=1) in antiquity. Both equations are based on phonetic similarity. A country named *Bla leading to Blaene in cuneiform script (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_script) only could have been written as pa-la-a.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-4)
HistoryIn the Old Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hittite) period Pala was mentioned as an administrative area under Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites) jurisdiction in the Hittite laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_laws).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-5) At the end of the Old Hittite period, contact between the Hittites and Pala ceased because of the Kaskian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskians) capture of the Black Sea region.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-6) It is likely that the Palaic peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaic_peoples) disappeared with the Kaskian invasion.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-7)
Heneti/Veneti they refer to are the Eneti a Palaic people from north-west Asia minor ( anatolia ) who have been linked with the Veneti of Italy and the Istrians ( histrians )
The country of Pala can be located in the Black Sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) region. There are two possibilities where Pala may have laid in this region. The first possibility is the country known as Paphlagonia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paphlagonia) in classical antiquity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_antiquity). The second possibility is the territory which was called Blaene (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Blaene&action=edit&redlink=1) in antiquity. Both equations are based on phonetic similarity. A country named *Bla leading to Blaene in cuneiform script (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuneiform_script) only could have been written as pa-la-a.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-4)
History
In the Old Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hittite) period Pala was mentioned as an administrative area under Hittite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites) jurisdiction in the Hittite laws (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittite_laws).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-5) At the end of the Old Hittite period, contact between the Hittites and Pala ceased because of the Kaskian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskians) capture of the Black Sea region.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-6) It is likely that the Palaic peoples (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palaic_peoples) disappeared with the Kaskian invasion.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala_(Anatolia)#cite_note-7)
Thanks by the explanations Torzio.
Thanks by the explanations Torzio.
np
I have no links with these new Heneti on the site ................guess my line was already in Europe before these people came in the late bronze-age
np
I have no links with these new Heneti on the site ................guess my line was already in Europe before these people came in the late bronze-age
Thanks again Torzio
I was directed by MTA that put the pic below in the explanations about the Heneti in the app. The pic that they put was taked from this topic published in Wikipedia that talks about the Heneti.
https://i.imgur.com/kfGxNtj.jpg
Wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti
Thanks again Torzio
I was directed by MTA that put the pic below in the explanations about the Heneti in the app. The pic that they put was taked from this topic published in Wikipedia that talks about the Heneti.
https://i.imgur.com/kfGxNtj.jpg
Wiki:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti
Where did you see this in MTA .....i upgraded an hour ago and I still see nothing on these in any of my 3 samples
this is the only new one I got
37. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - STR310
Top 96 % match vs all users
apart from the 4 x Hellenic ones yesterday
Where did you see this in MTA .....i upgraded an hour ago and I still see nothing on these in any of my 3 samples
this is the only new one I got
37. Early Medieval Germany Straubing-Bajuwarenstrasse
520 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.62 - STR310
Top 96 % match vs all users
apart from the 4 x Hellenic ones yesterday
In my case I fellow these steps: Firs, I select the ‘i’ (information), that is the blue button available at the end of the sample discription. After, I select the tab ‘Closest Ancient’. In the sequence I cick in the term (Heneti), that appear soon after the artistic pic of the Heneti warriors, and the Italy’s Iron Age map is displayed. I see the same map in English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia searching by the term ‘Veneti’.
It’s my 57 matching sample
57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003
Top match vs all users
These ancient sample is more closest to modern Iberians, according MTA.
In my case I fellow these steps: Firs, I select the ‘i’ (information), that is the blue button available at the end of the sample discription. After, I select the tab ‘Closest Ancient’. In the sequence I cick in the term (Heneti), that appear soon after the artistic pic of the Heneti warriors, and the Italy’s Iron Age map is displayed. I see the same map in English Wikipedia and Italian Wikipedia searching by the term ‘Veneti’.
It’s my 57 matching sample
57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003
Top match vs all users
These ancient sample is more closest to modern Iberians, according MTA.
does not appear for me ...and I reloaded by data from scracth
Wiki Veneti map .............is a linguistic map IIRC.......the Veneti and the Liburnians speak the same language .......that's what they say
I've seen around various groups that even to other current people from Veneto such Heneti samples don't always appear in their deep-dive (indeed, as Duarte pointed out they are close to Iberians, so they are more likely to appear to Western and/or Northern Europeans). Perhaps because they were very rich in EEF and WHG than modern north-eastern Italians.
I don't have them in my matches nor in the deep dive set. Currently my deep dive with whom I share the most segments is the Helladic Log04
https://scontent.flin1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/188833090_517990869563302_3673626895617431296_n.pn g?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=Ydmd-x9P80wAX8aunoD&_nc_ht=scontent.flin1-2.fna&oh=60997592ddaabb25e63f67cdf78f0aee&oe=60CEA8C2
i reloaded my data .........and now have my 23andme v3 and my ftdna bigy included ......................top 4 results from each is below
23andme
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.076 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.332 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.038 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 99 % match vs all users
4. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.334 - Log04_wgs
Top 99 % match vs all users
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ftdna
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
2. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.192 - SZ28 ?
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.334 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 99 % match vs all users
4. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.565 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users
Broion BR003. New sample available on MTA
https://i.imgur.com/0XnUuVC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZA3AcJH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5I3IvA0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LLWwHcf.png
https://i.imgur.com/LLWwHcf.png
MTA wrongly presented the name ...............the Heneti, Eneti, Veneti did not arrive there until 1250
plus the place found is still called the Euganei Hills as of today
origin; the Colli Euganei (maximum altitude 603 m) and the Monti ... relief of the Monti Berici -Grottina dei Covoloni del Broion,
colli = Hills
Euganei is a indigenous tribe which had 34 towns as per roman historian Cato
Euganei a Pre-Indo-European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe) people, ethnically related to the Ingauni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingauni), as suggested by the similarity of the names. According to Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) the Stoni (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stoni&action=edit&redlink=1) people from Trentino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino) were of the same stock as the Euganei. Cato the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder), in the lost book of Origines, counted among the major tribes of the Euganeans; the Triumplini of Val Trompia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Trompia) and the Camunni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camunni) of Val Camonica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Camonica).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euganei#cite_note-2)
According to Livy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livy), they were defeated by the Adriatic Veneti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti) and the Trojans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy). Their descendants settled west of the Athesis (Adige) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adige) river, around the lakes Sebinus, Edrus and Benacus, where they occupied 34 towns, which were admitted by Augustus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus) to the rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Rights) of Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins_(Italic_tribe)) municipalities.
Polada culture should be part of the Euganei group
The Rhaeti should also be 1st cousins to the Euganei or an ancient branch of them
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=7WsLAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA24&lr=&as_brr=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Euganei
The Euganei (or Euganeans) were not part of the West Indo-European (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianWestIndoEuropeans.htm) migration into southern Central Europe from its Pontic steppe homeland between about 3500-2500 BC. Instead they may have borne a degree of relationship with the Etruscans (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/ItalyEtruscans.htm) of north-western Italy (although the Celtic Encyclopaedia lists them as Ligurians (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianLigurians.htm)). Possibly they (and the Etruscans) were indigenous, but one school of thought from the twentieth century had the latter migrating from the eastern steppes immediately before their rise around 800 BC - unlikely, as they would have had to make their way through various Indo-European (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsFarEast/AsiaIndoEuropeans.htm) groups (see map for more information).
The Euganei initially had tribal centres around Verona and Padua (Patavium). They extended towards the Raeti (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianRaeti.htm) and shared territory with them, mining and trading in iron ore. Cato counts thirty-four Euganei towns (and therefore groups, tribes, or sub-tribes), amongst which were the Triumpilini of Val Trompia, a people who were claimed as being sold along with their territory (in other words, they probably accepted payment for loyalty to Rome (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/ItalyRome.htm#Republic)). The dominant tribe seems to have been the Stœni (while Strabo also mentions the Stoni or Stœni among the minor Alpine tribes. Mannert thinks they dwelt near the sources of the River Chiese, around the site of the modern village of Storo). The Camuni (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianRaeti.htm) or Camunni (around Val Camonica at the south-western end of Raeti territories are ascribed as being Euganei by Pliny, but not by others who generally place them amongst the Ligurians).
From the third millennium BC, as that West Indo-European migration increased, the Euganei found themselves surrounded. It was the Veneti on the Adriatic coast who came to dominate them (an arrival story for the Veneti incorporates the Trojan War - see below). By the time the Romans were available to document these northern Italian and Alpine tribes the Euganei were a client tribe of the Veneti and had lost their former capital of Verona to the Cenomani (https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/BarbarianCenomani.htm).
(Information by Edward Dawson and Peter Kessler, with additional information by Maurizio Puntin, from The History of Rome, Volume 1, Titus Livius (translated by Rev Canon Roberts)
MTA wrongly presented the name ...............the Heneti, Eneti, Veneti did not arrive there until 1250
plus the place found is still called the Euganei Hills as of today
origin; the Colli Euganei (maximum altitude 603 m) and the Monti ... relief of the Monti Berici -Grottina dei Covoloni del Broion,
colli = Hills
Euganei is a indigenous tribe which had 34 towns as per roman historian Cato
Euganei a Pre-Indo-European (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Europe) people, ethnically related to the Ingauni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingauni), as suggested by the similarity of the names. According to Pliny the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder) the Stoni (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stoni&action=edit&redlink=1) people from Trentino (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentino) were of the same stock as the Euganei. Cato the Elder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_the_Elder), in the lost book of Origines, counted among the major tribes of the Euganeans; the Triumplini of Val Trompia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Trompia) and the Camunni (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camunni) of Val Camonica (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Val_Camonica).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euganei#cite_note-2)
According to Livy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livy), they were defeated by the Adriatic Veneti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti) and the Trojans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy). Their descendants settled west of the Athesis (Adige) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adige) river, around the lakes Sebinus, Edrus and Benacus, where they occupied 34 towns, which were admitted by Augustus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus) to the rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Rights) of Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latins_(Italic_tribe)) municipalities.
Polada culture should be part of the Euganei group
The Rhaeti should also be 1st cousins to the Euganei or an ancient branch of them
https://books.google.com.au/books?id=7WsLAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA24&lr=&as_brr=1&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Thanks by the explanations Torzio
Pax Augusta
27-05-21, 13:40
https://i.imgur.com/LLWwHcf.png
MTA is a joke as usual, the ethnic label (Heneti Italic tribe) is completely invented.
The huge problem with amateur tools like MTA is that they contribute to spreading misinformation.
True Caesar
27-05-21, 14:07
I recently discovered MTA and sort of thought it was too good to be true because I’d never seen a service that matched you to ancient samples with such...flash. But then I discovered its reputation here and I’m glad I didn’t pay for anything and used the Dodecad K12 Analyzer instead. I’m not a professional so I’m not able to tell on my own whether something is reliable or not. Grateful to communities like this. That said, could you explain to me exactly why MTA is inaccurate so that I can better understand?
Thanks by the explanations Torzio
just to finalise ..................you can go to this national park today and enjoy the hot springs which the ancient Euganei used
EUGA´NEI Eth. EUGA (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=EUGA&la=la&can=euga0)´NEI (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=NEI&la=la&can=nei0&prior=EUGA) a people of Northern Italy, who play but an unimportant part in historical times, but appear at an earlier period to have been more powerful and widely spread. Livy expressly tells us (1.1) that they occupied the whole tract from the Alps to the head of the Adriatic, from which they were expelled by the Veneti. And it is quite in accordance with this statement that Pliny describes Verona as inhabited partly by Rhaetians, partly by Euganeans, and that Cato enumerated 34 towns belonging to them. (Plin. Nat. 3.19. s. 23 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.23&lang=original), 20 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.20&lang=original). s. 24.) They appear to have been driven by the Veneti into the valleys of the Alps on the Italian side of the chain, where they continued to subsist in the time of Pliny as a separate people, and had received the Latin franchise. But they must also have occupied the detached group of volcanic hills between Patavium and Verona, which are still known as the Euganean Hills (Colli (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Colli&la=la&can=colli0&prior=NEI) Euganei (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Euganei&la=la&can=euganei0&prior=Colli)), a name evidently transmitted by uninterrupted tradition, though not found in any ancient geographer. Lucan indeed speaks of the “Euganeus collis,” which he associates with the baths of Aponus, and it is probable that the “Euganei lacus” of Martial refer to the same waters. (Lucan 7.192 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Luc. 7.192&lang=original); Martial, 4.25. 4 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Mart. 4.25.4&lang=original).) The latter author in another passage gives the name of Euganean to the town of Ateste at the foot of the same hills, and Sidonius Apollinaris applies the epithet of “Euganeae chartae” to the writings of Livy. (Id. 10.93; Sidon. Apoll. Paneg. Anthem. 189.) Hence it is evident that the tradition of their having previously occupied these regions survived long after their expulsion by the Veneti. According to Cato, the mountain tribes of the Triumpilini and Camuni, considerably further west (in the Val Camonica and Val Trompia) were also of Euganean race (ap. Plin. Nat. 3.20. s. 24 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.20.24&lang=original)).
We have no indication of the national affinities of the Euganeans. Ancient writers appear to have regarded them as a distinct race from the Veneti and from the Rhaetians, as well as from the Gauls who subsequently invaded this part of Italy; but from what stock they proceeded we have no account at all. The notion of their Greek descent (Plin. l.c.) was evidently a mere etymological fancy, based upon the supposed derivation of their name from ἐυγενε̂ις (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=e%29ugene%3Dis&la=greek&can=e%29ugene%3Dis0&prior=Euganei), “the well-born.”
The chief tribe of the Euganei was called, according to Pliny, Stoeni or Stoni, a name which is also found in Strabo among the minor Alpine tribes (Στόνοι (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=*sto%2Fnoi&la=greek&can=*sto%2Fnoi0&prior=e)ugene=is), Strab. iv. p.204), but we have no clue to their position, [E.H.B (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:id=author.E.H.B )] [p. 1.874]
you can bathe in the hot springs...drink some Soave white wines , hike around
https://www.writtenpalette.com/colli-euganei-discovering-the-wines-of-the-venetian-hills/
Clearly the Ancient Euganei tribes where using these hot springs
MTA is a joke as usual, the ethnic label (Heneti Italic tribe) is completely invented.
The huge problem with amateur tools like MTA is that they contribute to spreading misinformation.
I agree Pax.
The sample was badly labeled by the MTA. There is always the interest of the MTA in marketing, ever linking the samples to a prominent civilization or culture of the past and, with this, the technical labeling that appears in the academic articles is impaired, summing up to the quote of the sample number.
just to finalise ..................you can go to this national park today and enjoy the hot springs which the ancient Euganei used
EUGA´NEI
Eth. EUGA (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=EUGA&la=la&can=euga0)´NEI (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=NEI&la=la&can=nei0&prior=EUGA) a people of Northern Italy, who play but an unimportant part in historical times, but appear at an earlier period to have been more powerful and widely spread. Livy expressly tells us (1.1) that they occupied the whole tract from the Alps to the head of the Adriatic, from which they were expelled by the Veneti. And it is quite in accordance with this statement that Pliny describes Verona as inhabited partly by Rhaetians, partly by Euganeans, and that Cato enumerated 34 towns belonging to them. (Plin. Nat. 3.19. s. 23 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.23&lang=original), 20 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.19.20&lang=original). s. 24.) They appear to have been driven by the Veneti into the valleys of the Alps on the Italian side of the chain, where they continued to subsist in the time of Pliny as a separate people, and had received the Latin franchise. But they must also have occupied the detached group of volcanic hills between Patavium and Verona, which are still known as the Euganean Hills (Colli (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Colli&la=la&can=colli0&prior=NEI) Euganei (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=Euganei&la=la&can=euganei0&prior=Colli)), a name evidently transmitted by uninterrupted tradition, though not found in any ancient geographer. Lucan indeed speaks of the “Euganeus collis,” which he associates with the baths of Aponus, and it is probable that the “Euganei lacus” of Martial refer to the same waters. (Lucan 7.192 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Luc. 7.192&lang=original); Martial, 4.25. 4 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Mart. 4.25.4&lang=original).) The latter author in another passage gives the name of Euganean to the town of Ateste at the foot of the same hills, and Sidonius Apollinaris applies the epithet of “Euganeae chartae” to the writings of Livy. (Id. 10.93; Sidon. Apoll. Paneg. Anthem. 189.) Hence it is evident that the tradition of their having previously occupied these regions survived long after their expulsion by the Veneti. According to Cato, the mountain tribes of the Triumpilini and Camuni, considerably further west (in the Val Camonica and Val Trompia) were also of Euganean race (ap. Plin. Nat. 3.20. s. 24 (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Plin. Nat. 3.20.24&lang=original)).
We have no indication of the national affinities of the Euganeans. Ancient writers appear to have regarded them as a distinct race from the Veneti and from the Rhaetians, as well as from the Gauls who subsequently invaded this part of Italy; but from what stock they proceeded we have no account at all. The notion of their Greek descent (Plin. l.c.) was evidently a mere etymological fancy, based upon the supposed derivation of their name from ἐυγενε̂ις (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=e%29ugene%3Dis&la=greek&can=e%29ugene%3Dis0&prior=Euganei), “the well-born.”
The chief tribe of the Euganei was called, according to Pliny, Stoeni or Stoni, a name which is also found in Strabo among the minor Alpine tribes (Στόνοι (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=*sto%2Fnoi&la=greek&can=*sto%2Fnoi0&prior=e)ugene=is), Strab. iv. p.204), but we have no clue to their position, [E.H.B (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0064:id=author.E.H.B )] [p. 1.874]
you can bathe in the hot springs...drink some Soave white wines , hike around
https://www.writtenpalette.com/colli-euganei-discovering-the-wines-of-the-venetian-hills/
Clearly the Ancient Euganei tribes where using these hot springs
Thanks for the travel tip Torzio. I love to travel and Italy is always a great destination. My wife and I love the country. Unfortunately, Brazilian tourists today, thanks to our most dignified President of the Republic and his ineptitude in controlling the pandemic in Brazil, are unwanted in most countries of the globe. I am already resigned to no longer doing foreign tourism. I will leave that now to my son and his future wife, and grandchildren, if they will gave me any.
… they’ll match you with the Ancient Civilizations genetically closest to you !
https://i.imgur.com/v0rtfFW.gif
… they’ll match you with the Ancient Civilizations genetically closest to you !
https://i.imgur.com/v0rtfFW.gif
:good_job:
They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.
:good_job:
They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.
did they mean these veneti from gaul ....sometimes also known as Heneti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneti_(Gaul)
Ancient Roman reference
3.Italians
The Italians consisted of the Rhaeti, the Lepontii and the Camuni.
Nomenclature - The Greek name for this people was Ἰταλοί, the Latin version is Itali. The standard English name is Italians. An alternative name for them is Oenotrians
Geographical notes - This name was used to indicate the people who lived south of the isthmus of Italy in the region that was situated above the Sicilian Straits
So Sicily was "not italian" in ancient times
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4.Italiotes
This name is not only used for the Italiotes themselves, but also for the Cisalpine Galatae and the Heneti after they received the same rights as the Italiotes had received from the Romans. Sometimes they were also called Romans.
Nomenclature - The Greek name for this people is Ἰταλιώται. The Latin version is Italiotae, while the standard English version is Italiotes.
Geographical notes - The Italiotes lived in Italy.
History - They were sometimes attacked by certain tribes of the Vindelici and the Rhaeti, who were very savage in their attack. In fact they were so savage they murdered all the males when they conquered cities, even the male infants. Their savagery didn’t stop there, since they also are said to have killed the women who were said by their seers to be pregnant of male child
Veneti in Italy never fought against the Romans but where allies from the Hannibal wars onwards
Veneti in Gaul where always at war against the Romans
:good_job:
They (MTA) look for the culture or civilization that existed in the age of sample in the place where it was identified. Specifically In the case of Broicon BR003, a sample from the middle Bronze Age Italy, MTA labeled it as belong to an individual from the Heneti Italic Tribe, ie, a group within the Italian peninsula in the Iron Age. Hence my strangeness, borne out by Pax and Torzio. As I can see, this sample is not very close to modern Italians in the northeast, so it does not appear as old autosomal matches by Stuvannè or Torzio, for example. I don’t want to generalize saying that they always label baddly the old samples. I want to say that, sometimes, they do not label very well some ancient samples, as in the case of BR003 but, in general, I like the app and its constant news.
… some samples are harder to label than others, … I agree with you to not throw the baby out with the bath water :)
… GedMatch:
BRC003 # QZ8281511
https://i.imgur.com/OvGVg4y.jpg
did they mean these veneti from gaul ....sometimes also known as Heneti
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneti_(Gaul)
:good_job::smile:
… some samples are harder to label than others, … I agree with you to not throw the baby out with the bath water :)
… GedMatch:
BRC003 # QZ8281511
https://i.imgur.com/OvGVg4y.jpg
:good_job::smile:
here is my timeline 12708
replacement of my 23andme v3 sample with my ftdna bigy
my first ancient is
Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary 2350 BC
I7043
2nd is
Protovillanovia Martinsicuro 930 BC
R1
next
Illyrian / Dalmatian 1600 BC
I4331
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Roman + Illyrian (5.887)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gaul + Roman (6.871)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
Illyrian (7.808)
Roman (9.782)
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timeline
2775 BC - Proto Thracian/Illyrian Vucedol
Genetic Distance: 14.18
Shared DNA: 1.74 cM
2350 BC - Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary
Genetic Distance: 10.09
Shared DNA: 8.19 cM
2250 BC - Copper Age Augsburg Bavaria
Genetic Distance: 14.65
Shared DNA: 2.11 cM
and this added for the medical part which 23andme did not have
SNP: rs12979860 (https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/rs12979860) (CT) - Relevance:9.2
~20-40% of such hepatitis c patients respond to treatment
hi can you tell me what exactly does that mean thank you1271112712127131271412715
pity that the video I cannot post it
low cM, though a Top 2 Match … (beat that) :grin:
Probably they’re picking up one of the Messapi ancestry makeup:
https://i.imgur.com/UuZSWQf.jpg
… Wrong Date / Wrong Era … SZ1 is the sample with the biggest Largest cM :) Otzi is my second:
https://i.imgur.com/f5wF588.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JIHlUGk.jpg
i have oetzi now with my ftdna data
OetziOetzi (3300 BC)
mtDNA Haplogroup: K1Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)
Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
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7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
8. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.607 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users
@salento
can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users
78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
Top 98 % match vs all users
… R437 Latin Praeneste cM is much higher than R850 Latin Ardea cM,
… though total Latin R850 (y T) he’s my Favorite :grin:
… and if there's one there's definitely tons of them !
https://i.imgur.com/Hxbwf4j.jpg
@salento
can you tell me what the following are 13313B and MJ12
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users
78. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus 15.9 - MJ12
Top 98 % match vs all users
I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.
MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
mtDNA H35,
Closest Ancient: Thracians,
Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova
I3313B : no gender, no Haplogroup, tough it’s not that different than 13313.
MJ12 : female, “Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea”,
mtDNA H35,
Closest Ancient: Thracians,
Modern: North Italian, Spanish Galicia, Portuguese, …
Similar Samples: Copper Age Szigetszentmiklos Hungary (2350 BC) (7.245), Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (7.435), Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia, Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) (8.457), Scythian Southern Moldova
thanks
13313B is
1 Italian-North 3.09
2 Italian_North 5.35
3 Kosovar 6
I do not remember which of the Italian North represents NW italy and other NE italy
i have oetzi now with my ftdna data
Oetzi
Oetzi (3300 BC)
mtDNA Haplogroup: K1
Y-DNA Haplogroup: G2a2a1a2a1a (L166)
Deep Dive Match! 97% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
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… nice, Otzi is cool, … literally :)
https://i.postimg.cc/QtKBCnsr/13313b.png
13313 is different
(https://postimg.cc/47Z4FPm8)
13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA
or
I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers
Distance to:
Torzio_scaled
0.03371179
ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313
0.04182106
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331
0.05118026
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332
Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246
100.0
ILLYRIC
Distance to:
Torzio_scaled
0.03285568
77.40% ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313 + 22.60% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331
0.03311382
86.00% ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313 + 14.00% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332
0.04178635
94.60% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331 + 5.40% ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332
13313B must be one of the bottom 2
13313B is either the old 14331 which i do not see anymore in MTA
or
I know its know as HRV_MBA in dna papers
Distance to:
Torzio_scaled
0.03371179
ILLYRIC:HRV_IA:I3313
0.04182106
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4331
0.05118026
ILLYRIC:HRV_MBA:I4332
Target: Torzio_scaled
Distance: 3.2832% / 0.03283246
100.0
ILLYRIC
13313B must be one of the bottom 2
I3313 14332 and MJ12:
https://i.imgur.com/JNYVjt6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GGcQxrI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pV0qM7l.jpg
I3313 14332 and MJ12:
https://i.imgur.com/JNYVjt6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GGcQxrI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pV0qM7l.jpg
here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?
I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616
I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a
I4332
mtDNA: W3a1
or is it the Dalmatian/Ligurian 5700BCE from Cres ( a Croatian island )
I5072
mtDNA: H7c
Y-DNA: G2a2a1
Official R Outliers
(… with GedM… #)
R6 # RL3009228 - Neolithic - Grotta Continenza
R475 # EK9024010 - Iron Age - Civitavecchia
R37 # QF4613000 - Imperial - Isola Sacra
R116 # GS7563370 - Imperial - Via Paisiello
R80 # CU3759345 - Imperial - Viale Rossini
R132 # JT4987798 - Imperial - Marcellino & Pietro
R31 # GH3133915 - Late Antiquity - Mausoleo di Augusto
R104 # CE7473504 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
R106 # RJ2728415 - Late Antiquity - Crypta Balbi
R64 # QT6475496 - Medieval and early modern - Villa Magna
R1286 # GB5258297 - Medieval and early modern - Cancelleria
https://i.imgur.com/b20TRzM.jpg
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf
here it is ...the other 14331 ..................is this 13313B ?
I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616
I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a
I4332
mtDNA: W3a1
Veliki Vanik (2 individuals) Veliki Vanik burial mound is located near the town ofVrgoracin Split-Dalmatia County in southern Croatia. The mound is made of rock and soil deposit with a circular base of 20 m in diameter and a relative height of 3.5 m.
It was partly destroyed during the Early Modern Period when the stone dry wall was erected and some of the rock material was harvested from the site. Three Bronze Age graves -one in the shape of a stone coffin and two inhumations in plain soil -containing the remains of five individuals were explored during the rescue excavations.
Radiocarbon dates and preserved artifacts (hair ornament made of coiled copper wire and fragments of pottery) datethese burialsto the Early/MiddleBronze Age.28
•I4331/ VV1Poorly preserved subadult (5-7 years).
•I4332/ VV3Well-preserved adult female (40to 50 years). This individual exhibits an antemortem oval-shaped fracture on the frontal bone.
@Torzio
I found and processed the I4331 Bam
... it might be different than the MTA file,
I4331 RawData download:
I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file
I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file
I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file
https://i.imgur.com/HX00Pk1.jpg
@Torzio
I found and processed the I4331 Bam
... it might be different than the MTA file,
I4331 RawData download:
I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file
I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file
I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file
https://i.imgur.com/HX00Pk1.jpg
I take this guy :)
https://i.imgur.com/kCcPcJ7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AMPpO1D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T23BDAm.jpg
My cousin from BA Italy :smile:
https://i.imgur.com/yuayvXE.jpg
57. Heneti Italic Tribe Grottuna dei Covoloni del Broion Italy
1452 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.87 - BRC003
Top
99 % match vs all users
@Torzio
I found and processed the I4331 Bam
... it might be different than the MTA file,
I4331 RawData download:
I4331 Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/x6aqx8vj2ml4c5l/I4331_Combined.zip/file
I4331 AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/fc1pa75avl0aklt/I4331_Ancestry_V2.zip/file
I4331 FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ee6zbrwsn5jax9l/I4331_FTDNA_V2.zip/file
https://i.imgur.com/HX00Pk1.jpg
thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?
what is i3313B then if not one of these?
thanks ............so MTA has all 3 samples ...I4331, I4332 and I3313 ?
what is i3313B then if not one of these?
I’m processing I3313,
… unless they’re Twins, I3313 and I3313B are the same Ancient person.
... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.
https://i.imgur.com/s7Qfpds.png
https://i.imgur.com/vBhKuxt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DNG14rv.jpg
I3313 Raw-Data:
Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/3th0vv4bidmcri2/I3313_Combined.zip/file
AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5pyqtgcmzyz2r4t/I3313_Ancestry_V2.zip/file
FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/snwg2s4kxtuqq4o/I3313_FTDNA_V2.zip/file
Er Monnezza
01-06-21, 00:13
... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.
Could you make a full list of all the GEDmatch kits you have for ancient samples? That would be very convenient and helpful, thanks in advance!
Could you make a full list of all the GEDmatch kits you have for ancient samples? That would be very convenient and helpful, thanks in advance!
I don't have easy access to all my data right now, but here are the Romans:
https://i.imgur.com/vPhqYEm.gif
Er Monnezza
01-06-21, 02:42
I don't have easy access to all my data right now, but here are the Romans:
Thank you so much for your work!
... deep dive shows that I3313 and I3313B are the same person, though are distinct in Archaeogenetic Top Matches (# 1 and 2) … maybe a new reformatted data, a glitch, or a work in progress.
https://i.imgur.com/s7Qfpds.png
https://i.imgur.com/vBhKuxt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DNG14rv.jpg
I3313 Raw-Data:
Combined:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/3th0vv4bidmcri2/I3313_Combined.zip/file
AncestryDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5pyqtgcmzyz2r4t/I3313_Ancestry_V2.zip/file
FTDNA format:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/snwg2s4kxtuqq4o/I3313_FTDNA_V2.zip/file
Also to me are displayed I3313 and I3313B:
https://i.imgur.com/6vDbwTU.jpg
Thank you so much for your work!
… you’re welcome … Er Monn…
I know that movie, ... lol
Also to me are displayed I3313 and I3313B:
https://i.imgur.com/6vDbwTU.jpg
…. they’re probably running two different file formats of the same sample.
I uploaded I3313, … I3313B showed up as a massive deep dive match, … could be the same person, a twin, or a close sibling, I Think.
https://i.imgur.com/dI1Ijg2.jpg
@Salento
I agree. :good_job:
I believe that I3313 and I3313B are the same individual and the difference between the two samples displayed on MTA must be an experiment of data imputation in I3313B, I don’t know.
ETR001
https://i.imgur.com/9WzSwOI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EMCaPPU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DkVB6wu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KmAyJRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3YdlAMc.gif
ETR001
https://i.imgur.com/9WzSwOI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EMCaPPU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DkVB6wu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KmAyJRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3YdlAMc.gif
Very cool, Salento.:good_job:
These short videos of MTA are nice too. In the case of the Gallo-Roman parade below, I got a flea behind my ear (a Brazilian expression to refer to something that is bothering you). Notice that the rightmost centurion in the video slaps the standard bearer on the waist to make him change direction and follow the correct path. These Gallo-Romans look like a troop that lost the war and is preparing the surrender to the enemy, lol.
12730
https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI
https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI
Very cool, Salento.:good_job:
These short videos of MTA are nice too. In the case of the Gallo-Roman parade below, I got a flea behind my ear (a Brazilian expression to refer to something that is bothering you). Notice that the rightmost centurion in the video slaps the standard bearer on the waist to make him change direction and follow the correct path. These Gallo-Romans look like a troop that lost the war and is preparing the surrender to the enemy, lol.
12730
https://imgur.com/a/d7OQhwI
:laughing: :good_job: … MTA is entertaining, … I also like the Deep Dive and the Chrome apps, … they should improve the Matching Samples and the Modern algorithms, … some of the names too :)
:laughing: :good_job: … MTA is entertaining, … I also like the Deep Dive and the Chrome apps, … they should improve the Matching Samples and the Modern algorithms, … some of the names too :)
:good_job::smile:
first time this appeared................using Ftdna data ................23andme data did not show this up
Skeleton Lake Traveller - HellenicI3403 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: X2dY-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)
Genetic Distance: 21.441
Sample Match! 93% closer than other users
first time this appeared................using Ftdna data ................23andme data did not show this up
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
I3403 (1805 AD)
mtDNA Haplogroup: X2d
Y-DNA Haplogroup: T1a2 (L131)
Genetic Distance: 21.441
Sample Match! 93% closer than other users
with GedM…: got y and mt relatives on Skeleton Lake:
I3403 (y T1a2) - 9.8 cM - 5.5 Generations
I3404 (mt H12) - 7.1 cM - 7.5 Generations
I3403
https://i.imgur.com/YS6aLdD.jpg
I3404
https://i.imgur.com/Uc7vy5x.jpg
EDIT: … on MTA:
https://i.imgur.com/cRyobkW.jpg
ETR001
https://i.imgur.com/9WzSwOI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EMCaPPU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DkVB6wu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KmAyJRF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3YdlAMc.gif
This is more proof though, that this calculator is not reliable. ETR001 clusters with and is closest to Southern Italians/Sicilians; not Tuscans.
Here is the PCA from the study it is from:
https://i.imgur.com/uIupWDw.jpg
G25 also put them with Lazio, which I am sure is Northern Lazio.
Only Dodecad seems to get it right, and put them closest to Southern Italians, with Campania as the first population.
Distance to:
ETR001
6.38203729
Italian_Campania
7.03265242
Italian_Abruzzo
7.62693910
Italian_Sicily
8.38596446
Italian_Calabria
8.38833142
Italian_Marche
9.60335879
Italian_Lazio
9.96289115
Ashkenazi_Jews
9.96578647
Italian_Apulia
10.96518582
Italian_Jews
11.02515760
Moldovan_Jewish
11.19228752
Greek_Lemnos
11.26296586
Italian_Romagna
11.56550474
French_Corsica
12.23690320
Greek_Central
12.30425130
Greek_Fournoi
12.35916664
Greek_Athens
12.37459494
Greek_Foca
12.60453490
Greek_Izmir
12.77140556
Sephardic_Jews
13.30770078
Greek_Crete
13.32534052
Italian_Tuscany
13.33030007
Greek_Icaria
13.47303975
Morocco_Jews
14.03145039
Greek_Kos
14.16424018
Greek_Peloponnese
Distance to:
ETR001
5.72585365
Imperial-age_Marche_(n=2)
6.56417550
6th-century_Piedmont_(Italians_only)_(n=7)
7.93676256
Late_Antiquity_Latium_(n=24)
8.87417602
Italian_Greeks_(n=2)
8.93407522
EMBA_Greece_(n=6)
10.23708455
Early_Medieval_Latium_(n=5)
10.29304134
Mycenaean_Greece_(n=4)
10.80237474
Medieval_Foggia_Apulia_(n=5)
12.19273964
Imperial-age_Latium_(East_Med_immigrants)_(n=46)
15.07897211
Late_Medieval_Latium_(n=16)
16.92457976
Bronze_Age_Sicily_(n=15)
17.19678749
Early_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=7)
17.57018497
Etruscans_(n=3)
17.58842801
Chalcolithic_Bulgaria_(n=9)
17.74870418
Minoan_Greece_(n=10)
17.85048179
Bronze_Age_Illyrians
18.12963044
Early_Neolithic_Greece_(n=3)
18.21896265
Early_Neolithic_Starcevo_culture_(n=8)
18.99202464
Villanovans_(n=2)
19.58193300
Medieval_Andalusia_(n=14)
19.98121117
Pre-Pottery_Neolithic_Anatolia_(n=8)
20.12171464
Middle_Bronze_Age_Anatolia_(n=2)
21.18671046
LN_Lengyel_culture_(n=8)
21.97552730
Roman_&_Visigothic_Iberia_(n=31)
22.54377076
Middle-Late_Bronze_Age_Hittites_(n=2)
Distance to:
Jovialis
7.95983668
ETR001
Here are the results from the other thread.
Edit … deleted, I should’ve asked a member permission to … :-)
…
https://i.imgur.com/MTjPlrc.gif
https://i.imgur.com/jgcEmAX.gif
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41501-Genomes-from-82-Etruscans-and-Southern-Italians-(800-BCE-%E2%80%93-1-000-CE)?p=625658&viewfull=1#post625658
From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?
Closest Archaeogenetic matches
Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona
550 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.77
Top 96 % match vs all users
Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.05
Top 95 % match vs all users
Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 15.07
Top 95 % match vs all users
Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 17.22
Top 90 % match vs all users
Early Bronze Age Mokrin Necropolis Serbia
1950 BC - Genetic Distance: 17.36
Top 79 % match vs all users
Medieval Hungary / Balkan
1244 AD - Genetic Distance: 18.99
Top 48 % match vs all users
Skeleton Lake
Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
mtDNA Haplogroup: H12
Y-DNA Haplogroup: E1b1b1b2 (PF1961/Z830)
Deep Dive Match! 10% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 18.155
Sample Match! 91% closer than other users
Gelonian/Helonian Scythians
Scythian Moldova
mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b2a3
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2 (BY15590)
Genetic Distance: 17.275
Sample Match! 72% closer than other users
Scythian Ukraine
mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b1a
Genetic Distance: 19.254
Sample Match! 79% closer than other users
Ancient relatives!
Frankish-Gallic Lombard Grave 590 AD
Shared DNA: (Sample Quality: 45)
5 SNP chains (min. 60 SNPs) / 33.12 cM
Largest chain: 161 SNPs / 9.7 cM
Closest Ancient populations:
Byzantine + Scythian (5.441)
Byzantine + Gaul (8.073)
Seleucid + Scythian (9.124)
Scythian + Roman (10.47)
Seleucid + Gaul (11.89)
Gaul (16.5)
Roman (17.22)
Scythian (17.27)
Byzantine (17.63)
Seleucid (19.35)
Closest genetic modern populations:
1. Macedonian (5.131)
2. Romanian (5.401)
3. Bulgarian (6.141)
4. Bosnian (8.136)
5. Serbian (9.071)
6. Albanian_Tosk (11.45)
7. Kosovar (11.66)
8. Greek_Thessaly (11.79)
Pax Augusta
13-06-21, 20:03
From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?
Apart from the fact that not all of northern Italy was Celtic/Gaulish, the Celtic presence in northern Italy can be ascribed at least to two different sources. The earliest Celtic presence in northern Italy was the Celts of Golasecca who spoke a Lepontic language, which I believe is still considered the oldest attested Celtic language. Then there were small migratory movements of Celts, material culture of the type La Tène. The Gauls who invaded northern Italy in the 4th century BC were not actually very numerous.
Apart from the fact that not all of northern Italy was Celtic/Gaulish, the Celtic presence in northern Italy can be ascribed at least to two different sources. The earliest Celtic presence in northern Italy was the Celts of Golasecca who spoke a Lepontic language, which I believe is still considered the oldest attested Celtic language. Then there were small migratory movements of Celts, material culture of the type La Tène. The Gauls who invaded northern Italy in the 4th century BC were not actually very numerous.
the 4th century gaulish migration must have been numerous because the cenomani settled in modern verona, the Boii settled around modern Bologna and the semnos arrived on the coast to be butchered to the last man by the Romans circa 100BC
I don't think the Halstatt celts and the La tene celts where the exact same peoples as there is more than 500 years apart in time
From MTA results northern italians seem not to be of part gallic ancestry, they don't match in deep dive analysis with neolithic France samples or gallic chariot burials, instead the iberian people yes. I have matches with Frankish gauls, but I think these are due to a germanic signature from the middle age. What do you think about it?What's interesting is that I consistently get something (N)W in calculators, and my parents don't get that much, even if overall I'm a bit more Southern shifted in relation to them. For example, I score above average (North Italy as reference) for Atlantic_Med in K12b, above average for Atlantic in K15, and FTDNA and MyHeritage keep giving me relatively high %s related to UK, such 32% in the former and something around 30% in the latter. I don't score for British in 23andMe, however, Brittany (France) shows up in there as a Likely Match. Angela suggested this matching in 23andMe could be explained by some Gallic ancestry. It does seem possible.
However, among old samples, one of the "Illyrians" tends to show up as my first in similarity tools, including MTA.
What's interesting is that I consistently get something (N)W in calculators, and my parents don't get that much, even if overall I'm a bit more Southern shifted in relation to them. For example, I score above average (North Italy as reference) for Atlantic_Med in K12b, above average for Atlantic in K15, and FTDNA and MyHeritage keep giving me relatively high %s related to UK, such 32% in the former and something around 30% in the latter. I don't score for British in 23andMe, however, Brittany (France) shows up in there as a Likely Match. Angela suggested this matching in 23andMe could be explained by some Gallic ancestry. It does seem possible.
However, among old samples, one of the "Illyrians" tends to show up as my first in similarity tools, including MTA.
Hi @Regio X. Out of topic. Do you believe that Alberto Fernandez's ancestors came by boat and that mine came from the jungle? :thinking::rolleyes2::good_job::grin::laughing:
Hi @Regio X. Out of topic. Do you believe that Alberto Fernandez's ancestors came by boat and that mine came from the jungle? :thinking::rolleyes2::good_job::grin::laughing:Dua rte, "our" ancestors. Mine were from an Araucaria moist forest. :grin:
It brings me to a fun story, but an innocent one. Several years ago, this far Italian cousin of mine, a very nice guy by the way, learned that he has several relatives across ocean, and decided to visit the country. A little before the trip, he asked me for tips on how to deal with the wild/venomous animals he would find, or something. Apparently he was preparing for a kind of Safari. :laughing:
As for Fernández, what a regrettable comment, to say the least! As a matter of fact, a worthy comment from his neighbor leader, if you know what I mean. :)
Duarte, "our" ancestors. Mine were from an Araucaria moist forest. :grin:
It brings me to a fun story, but an innocent one. Several years ago, this far Italian cousin of mine, a very nice guy by the way, learned that he has several relatives across ocean, and decided to visit the country. A little before the trip, he asked me for tips on how to deal with the wild/venomous animals he would find, or something. Apparently he was preparing for a kind of Safari. :laughing:
As for Fernández, what a regrettable comment, to say the least! As a matter of fact, a worthy comment from his neighbor leader, if you know what I mean. :)
:good_job::smile:
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
Info
1. Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.321 - NS3b
Top 99 % match vs all users
2. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.333 - SZ36
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 8.516 - SZ43
Top 99 % match vs all users
4. Avar Szolad Hungary
700 AD - Genetic Distance: 9.351 - SZ1
Top 98 % match vs all users
5. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.479 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
6. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.22 - SZ37
Top 99 % match vs all users
7. Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy
905 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.52 - R60
Top 98 % match vs all users
8. Late Roman Empire Crypta Balbi
500 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.75 - R107
Top 99 % match vs all users
9. Morisco Post-Reconquista Granada
1550 AD - Genetic Distance: 10.85 - I7424
Top 99 % match vs all users
10. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 11.32 - I3404
Top 97 % match vs all users
11. Central Roman
630 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.11 - CL36 ?
Top 97 % match vs all users
12. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.14 - Log04_wgs
Top 96 % match vs all users
13. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.19 - Log04_wgs_trim5bp
Top 96 % match vs all users
14. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.25 - Log02_wgs
Top 97 % match vs all users
15. Skeleton Lake Traveller - Hellenic
1805 AD - Genetic Distance: 12.38 - I3348
Top 99 % match vs all users
16. Roman Outlier Lombard Grave
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.07 - SZ31
Top 99 % match vs all users
17. Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece
1861 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.17 - Log02_cap
Top 98 % match vs all users
18. Central Roman
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.5 - CL121
Top 96 % match vs all users
19. Imperial Rome Empire Via Paisiello
100 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.64 - R114
Top 97 % match vs all users
20. Gallo-Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 13.86 - SZ28 ?
Top 95 % match vs all users
21. Tuscan Medieval Cancelleria Basilica
1350 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.1 - R1290
Top 97 % match vs all users
22. Roman Villa Tarragona
350 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.44 - I6491
Top 95 % match vs all users
23. Medieval San Lorenzo Foggia Italy
1240 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.71 - VK535
Top 97 % match vs all users
24. Tivoli Palace Late Renaissance
1650 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.78 - R970
Top 97 % match vs all users
25. Central Roman
590 AD - Genetic Distance: 14.79 - SZ32 ?
Top 97 % match vs all users
23andMe results = 99.2% Greek, 0.8% Sardinian.
Your closest Ancient populations...
Roman
Roman (8.333)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (9.885)
Gaul + Roman (9.97)
Roman + Illyrian (10.44)
Roman Hispania + Roman (11.3)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (13.21)
Gallo-Roman (13.86)
Illyrian (15.89)
Roman Hispania (17.16)
Gaul (17.85)
… CL36 as “Ancient Relative” …
God’s Kit = 23v5 :grin:
… one to one VS deep dive:
https://i.imgur.com/E0wR2CK.jpg
Hello, here are results:
Gallo Roman - Visigoths - Roman Hispania -Illyrians - Al-Andalus.
Visigoth + Roman Hispania (8.387)
Gallo-Roman + Roman Hispania (8.844)
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (10.37)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (10.86)
Al-Andalus + Gallo-Roman (11.37)
Gallo-Roman (11.8)
Illyrian (12.96)
Roman Hispania (13.26)
Al-Andalus (13.43)
Visigoth (14.65)
I thought the ancient Picene sample R1 was a woman
she has O ydna
https://i.postimg.cc/fT4C4Wjv/r1-O-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)
I thought the ancient Picene sample R1 was a woman
she has O ydna
https://i.postimg.cc/fT4C4Wjv/r1-O-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)
maybe MTA is mistaken, … and there’s no y O Haplogroup in Ancient Italy:
https://i.imgur.com/Hc5NtCJ.jpg
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf)
maybe MTA is mistaken, … and there’s no y O Haplogroup in Ancient Italy:
https://i.imgur.com/Hc5NtCJ.jpg
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2019/11/06/366.6466.708.DC1/aay6826_Antonio_SM.pdf)
her marker is most likely O2a2-P201 has its majority in the Naiman tribe of Kazakhs ................they did arrive in modern Hungaria in the bronze age .............I think we need to confirm this .............Naiman tribe are in Altai and Argyn mountains which has a lot of L and T ydna as well
https://i.postimg.cc/s2Ym6y2J/kaz-t.png (https://postimages.org/)
Pax Augusta
27-06-21, 12:09
I thought the ancient Picene sample R1 was a woman
she has O ydna
https://i.postimg.cc/fT4C4Wjv/r1-O-ydna.png (https://postimages.org/)
We scrupulously check elsewhere as well, but MTA remains a little game with no credibility.
her marker is most likely O2a2-P201 has its majority in the Naiman tribe of Kazakhs ................they did arrive in modern Hungaria in the bronze age .............I think we need to confirm this .............Naiman tribe are in Altai and Argyn mountains which has a lot of L and T ydna as well
https://i.postimg.cc/s2Ym6y2J/kaz-t.png (https://postimages.org/)
Where is the source that Naiman tribe of Kazakhs arrived in modern Hungaria in the Bronze age?
Neanderthal Q-Matching:
https://i.imgur.com/DodJWjw.gif
... it matches the Archaic Matches @ 0.9 cM
https://i.imgur.com/5SZzfLK.gif
Salento, I think that Q-score of 55 should be rather significant considering the Neanderthal sample would be so distant
Salento, I think that Q-score of 55 should be rather significant considering the Neanderthal sample would be so distant
@Wheal … compare with the free one-to-one,
S vs Neanderthal ( … red settings) (my Raw-Data: 23v5) :
https://i.imgur.com/K9XiBGQ.jpg
Not sure what you want me to compare to
Not sure what you want me to compare toI was just comparing Q-Matching vs One-to-One classic.
her marker is most likely O2a2-P201 has its majority in the Naiman tribe of Kazakhs ................they did arrive in modern Hungaria in the bronze age .............I think we need to confirm this .............Naiman tribe are in Altai and Argyn mountains which has a lot of L and T ydna as well
https://i.postimg.cc/s2Ym6y2J/kaz-t.png (https://postimages.org/)
… R1 is a Girl !!! (according to my PC)
https://i.imgur.com/ZxlHQcg.gif
… R1 is a Girl !!! (according to my PC)
https://i.imgur.com/ZxlHQcg.gif
yes...she is
i wrote to them to see if this ydna represents her "father"
??? … Otzi vs S, 1-to-1 @100 SNPs window size threshold, default cM (7) and Mismatch-Bunching Limit:
3.9 Generations (with 25 SNPs: 2.6 generations)
https://i.imgur.com/BvQ8TFV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rsIuyj7.jpg
??? … Otzi vs S, 1-to-1 @100 SNPs window size threshold, default cM (7) and Mismatch-Bunching Limit:
3.9 Generations (with 25 SNPs: 2.6 generations)
https://i.imgur.com/BvQ8TFV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rsIuyj7.jpg
mine
https://i.postimg.cc/t4qfscqt/oetzi-pic.png (https://postimg.cc/PP7Kc28P)
??? … Otzi vs S, 1-to-1 @100 SNPs window size threshold, default cM (7) and Mismatch-Bunching Limit:
3.9 Generations (with 25 SNPs: 2.6 generations)
https://i.imgur.com/BvQ8TFV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rsIuyj7.jpg
Its not reliable. MyTrueAncestry is not and a Gedmatch result with such a few SNPs isn't as well. I mean 100 SNP per cM, that just means the coverage of the Oetzi genome is bad, it doesn't prove your close relationship. I mean
Relic French King Louis XVI 1793 ADsample is no 3rd cousin of mine, even though, according to MTA, he shares as much as some proven 3rd cousins with me.
Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland 935 ADis 2nd cousin level with 194 cM. Its ridiculous.
Its not reliable. MyTrueAncestry is not and a Gedmatch result with such a few SNPs isn't as well. I mean 100 SNP per cM, that just means the coverage of the Oetzi genome is bad, it doesn't prove your close relationship. I mean
Relic French King Louis XVI 1793 AD
sample is no 3rd cousin of mine, even though, according to MTA, he shares as much as some proven 3rd cousins with me.
Danish Gaelic Viking Iceland 935 AD
is 2nd cousin level with 194 cM. Its ridiculous.
… OK, though … I didn’t change the default GedMatch cM (7 cM), … so it’s not ridiculous, it could be basic shared ancestry, most Italians get a piece of Otzi DNA ancestry.
... from my NagGeo results: Italy & Southern Europe: 91% - The Iceman, Otzi, is a descendant from the first farmers to have arrived in the Italian peninsula, which may have harbored remnant hunter - gatherer populations during the Pleistocene ...
'Genographic Project'
Over the past year, I have collected raw data files and Ancient Sample Breakdown results from many countries.
I aggregated these based on placement on the ASB wheel. I did not deal with the percentage value or the deep dive results, only with the summary of the matches with the population genetically significant, archaic samples and the statistical data sets visible from them. I can show it in an Excel spreadsheet.
The order of archaic populations is my own subjective opinion about the role of the present-day population in the archaic composition of each ancient culture - more precisely, the archaic population definitions of mytrueancestry. The W column shows the total number of samples I have today from that population.
That is, if we look at the English today, I have 25 of these ASBs. Of these, 18 were Celtic in first place on the ASB wheel and 5 were Celtic in second place. 1 in fourth place and 1 in fifth. Column V shows how many present-day samples had no hits from that particular ancient population on the ASB round.
This is how the tables should be interpreted. I think the lines are especially interesting. If any of you may show your own ASB, I will add to that particular population database today and thus increase representativeness. I only made an excel spreadsheet for those populations today that have at least 10 samples. It is currently available in English, Bulgarian, Danish, French, Hungarian, German, Norwegian, Italian and Spanish. I am curious about your opinions. 12765
the MTA ‘Neolithic Karsdorf Germany’ sample is actually Kars537
… his y Haplogroup is not “uncertain” … he’s a y T1a1…
… also the GedMatch Kars537 Karsdorf LBK (# LN4023841 and duplicate # JM7481206) imho are not him, maybe they uploaded the wrong sample.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y63197/
https://i.imgur.com/YvTSNL5.gif
https://i.imgur.com/DV7IKCw.gif
https://i.imgur.com/3rIVTsF.jpg
Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )
House/Phase: O / 2
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: J1c6a
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
Age at Death: 25–30
Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
Sample: Skull
Read Pairs: 122,568,310
Mean Coverage: 2.96X
Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
Autosomal notes: High CHG
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)
he is this one
https://elifesciences.org/articles/36666
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271509568_Settlement_burials_at_the_Karsdorf_LBK_s ite_Saxony-Anhalt_Germany_-_biological_ties_and_residential_mobility
Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )
House/Phase: O / 2
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
mtDNA: J1c6a
Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
Age at Death: 25–30
Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
Sample: Skull
Read Pairs: 122,568,310
Mean Coverage: 2.96X
Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
Autosomal notes: High CHG
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)
he is this one
https://elifesciences.org/articles/36666
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271509568_Settlement_burials_at_the_Karsdorf_LBK_s ite_Saxony-Anhalt_Germany_-_biological_ties_and_residential_mobility
… got Kars537 data from here:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA104588897
you know it’s him because one of the download URL has:
http:// sra. ebi. ac. … Kars_537_M.NA.NA …
… got Kars537 data from here:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA104588897
you know it’s him because one of the download URL has:
http:// sra. ebi. ac. … Kars_537_M.NA.NA …
some say the Karsdorf 3 x T samples are cousins with the 2 x T bulgarian samples........did you find this to be true ?
some say the Karsdorf 3 x T samples are cousins with the 2 x T bulgarian samples........did you find this to be true ?
I don’t know, though it seems coincidentally improbable, … I’ll look in to it … eventually :)
some say the Karsdorf 3 x T samples are cousins with the 2 x T bulgarian samples........did you find this to be true ?
… same haplogroups for the 2 x T Bulgarians.
X-DNA 1-to-1 (Tot. 32.5 cM - Larg. 22.7 cM) + …
GedM... :
# XV5136280 - I0700 Malak Preslavets Balkans MP Neolithic Bulgaria - y T1a1a - mt T2e
# CS6792606 - I1108 Malak Preslavets Balkans MP Neolithic Bulgaria - y T1a1a - mt T2e
https://i.imgur.com/AwdwMvc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JKJ2E0A.jpg
Hello,
Just tried Mytrueancestry and got the results below:
ANCIENT
Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.652)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (6.693)
Hellenic Roman + Thracian (6.876)
Roman + Hittite (6.994)
Hellenic Roman + Hittite (7.404)
Hellenic Roman (9.079)
Roman (12.93)
Ancient Greek (13.62)
Hittite (14.91)
Thracian (15.84)
MODERN
1. South_Italian (3.346)
2. East_Sicilian (5.201)
3. Central_Greek (5.305)
4. Greek_Crete (6.273)
5. Italian_Jewish (7.485)
6. Greek_Islands (7.606)
7. Ashkenazi (8.316)
8. Italian_Abruzzo (8.665)
I'm just wondering if it's common to get also top match with ancient relatives? or they are just trying to get people to upgrade?
Hellenic Roman Marcellino 400 ADYou are the #8 top match to this sample!
Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy 905 AD
You are the #10 top match to this sample!
Thanks!
... testing SZ40 results from fastq file ... OK
also notice the three consecutive Collato Sabino plague victims, maybe they're related.
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
https://i.imgur.com/nW6QRAw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/48dhFzI.jpg
If MTA still persist with sample R1 ( a female ) having ydna of O2a2 from east Kazak lands ..............then what is the value of MTA ????
If MTA still persist with sample R1 ( a female ) having ydna of O2a2 from east Kazak lands ..............then what is the value of MTA ????
Lately I've been using it to compare downloaded / processed samples, … making sure they’re recognized as equivalents. (see post # 3655 above).
Lately I've been using it to compare downloaded / processed samples, … making sure they’re recognized as equivalents. (see post # 3655 above).
I just noticed they stated the foggia sample is Ydna L
I just noticed they stated the foggia sample is Ydna L
I see VK538…
I decided that only the Foggia Vikings could have named America Vinland (Vino Land), obviously, they probably danced Pizzica with the Natives too :grin:
VK538 general Y haplogroup:
https://i.imgur.com/DPKO7CT.gif
After today MTA upgrade......the samnite and etruscans finally added
my new order for bronze-age only
1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro
930 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.903 - R1
Top 99 % match vs all users
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 97 % match vs all users
18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 97 % match vs all users
25. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.8 - TAQ011
Top 99 % match vs all users
29. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.33 - TAQ009
Top 99 % match vs all users
36. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.0 - TAQ003
Top 98 % match vs all users
49. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.12 - ETR003
Top 98 % match vs all users
56. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.46 - ETR007
Top 94 % match vs all users
… olfactory receptor gene,
… Androstenone (Pheromone produced by men)
- I’m Repulsed by it -
Guess that heterosexual women and gay men are Not repulsed by it.
https://i.imgur.com/tiOPRsn.jpg
I see VK538…
I decided that only the Foggia Vikings could have named America Vinland (Vino Land), obviously, they probably danced Pizzica with the Natives too :grin:
VK538 general Y haplogroup:
https://i.imgur.com/DPKO7CT.gif
… in Salento, … Albano and Il Volo:
one of the Il Volo singer is surprised by the number of people with light eyes (kind of like his mother), … Albano says that the Normans passed by …(as in Sicily) :laughing:
https://youtu.be/tNACtu5jVyk
Salento: Thanks by BRC003_Dodecad_K12b:
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b,1.48,0.00,2.35,1.33,46.70,24.2 7,0.00,0.00,5.74,0.00,17.40,0.74
Distance to:
Duarte
9.78898360
BRC003_Dodecad_K12b
https://i.imgur.com/DXEIWHu.jpg
@Duarte,
... still working on it, ... most Szolad Dodecad Globe 13
maybe you are close to some of them:
SZ1_Dod_Globe13,3.39,0.78,0.77,0.25,10.28,2.36,34. 17,0.90,0.48,14.71,30.84,0.39,0.69
SZ6_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00,10.44,0.00,38. 22,3.84,1.38,0.51,44.43,0.00,0.00
SZ9_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,28.9 8,0.00,0.30,4.32,61.44,2.87,0.00
SZ12_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.60,0.00,0.01,0.00,28. 61,0.60,0.00,9.81,57.95,1.01,0.14
SZ13_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,1.09,0.21,1.81,0.00,27. 83,1.03,0.37,8.62,57.11,0.79,0.00
SZ14_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.66,1.64,0.30,2.15,0.00,29. 77,1.28,0.00,11.07,53.13,0.00,0.00
SZ16_Dod_Globe13,0.98,0.00,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,29. 43,0.00,0.00,7.95,59.22,1.13,0.00
SZ18_Dod_Globe13,0.64,0.30,2.04,0.00,8.16,0.59,32. 37,0.00,1.01,13.25,41.60,0.03,0.00
SZ19_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.44,0.90,0.39,13.70,0.00,45 .77,0.00,0.00,17.84,20.96,0.00,0.00
SZ22_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.31,1.58,0.20,2.45,0.81,28. 10,0.76,0.53,7.59,56.20,1.47,0.00
SZ23_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.44,0.31,3.47,0.00,32. 77,0.96,0.25,9.41,50.46,0.00,0.20
SZ24_Dod_Globe13,0.75,0.99,0.63,0.00,3.87,0.00,31. 03,0.23,0.65,8.44,52.55,0.86,0.00
SZ25_Dod_Globe13,1.27,0.00,0.01,0.24,1.16,2.24,26. 66,0.76,0.00,9.92,54.04,1.87,1.83
SZ27_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.02,1.85,0.07,1.61,0.00,27. 26,0.79,0.00,7.88,58.80,0.73,0.00
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.17,6.74,0.00,34 .03,0.00,2.45,16.84,38.34,0.00,0.00
SZ28_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.18,1.12,0.00,7.99,0.00,42. 40,0.53,0.14,12.16,33.33,1.14,0.00
SZ30_Dod_Globe13,1.21,0.00,2.17,0.00,2.81,1.09,28. 55,0.00,0.09,10.26,53.81,0.00,0.00
SZ31_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.71,0.00,13.49,0.00,35 .61,0.61,2.10,18.66,27.19,0.00,0.63
SZ32_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.03,0.21,11.44,0.00,40 .71,0.00,0.14,18.28,26.96,0.00,0.97
SZ36_Dod_Globe13,0.16,0.24,2.32,0.21,12.98,1.11,37 .70,0.44,0.00,17.47,27.38,0.00,0.00
SZ37_Dod_Globe13,0.80,0.00,1.35,0.00,11.96,1.36,34 .57,0.00,0.04,18.36,29.93,1.22,0.43
SZ38_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,2.07,0.45,4.25,0.10,32. 03,0.00,0.00,8.32,51.62,0.00,0.00
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
SZ41_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.62,1.96,0.00,2.63,0.00,29. 61,0.84,0.00,1.95,61.39,0.00,0.00
SZ42_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.10,1.64,0.01,2.10,0.00,31. 13,0.72,1.30,11.07,51.93,0.00,0.00
AV1_Dod_Globe13,0.50,0.45,0.88,0.46,4.82,0.00,24.2 4,0.00,0.58,8.62,58.90,0.55,0.00
AV2_Dod_Globe13,1.17,1.09,1.55,0.03,2.73,0.00,22.5 3,0.04,0.19,6.40,63.87,0.38,0.00
@Duarte,
... still working on it, ... most Szolad Dodecad Globe 13
maybe you are close to some of them:
SZ1_Dod_Globe13,3.39,0.78,0.77,0.25,10.28,2.36,34. 17,0.90,0.48,14.71,30.84,0.39,0.69
SZ6_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00,10.44,0.00,38. 22,3.84,1.38,0.51,44.43,0.00,0.00
SZ9_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,28.9 8,0.00,0.30,4.32,61.44,2.87,0.00
SZ12_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.60,0.00,0.01,0.00,28. 61,0.60,0.00,9.81,57.95,1.01,0.14
SZ13_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,1.09,0.21,1.81,0.00,27. 83,1.03,0.37,8.62,57.11,0.79,0.00
SZ14_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.66,1.64,0.30,2.15,0.00,29. 77,1.28,0.00,11.07,53.13,0.00,0.00
SZ16_Dod_Globe13,0.98,0.00,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,29. 43,0.00,0.00,7.95,59.22,1.13,0.00
SZ18_Dod_Globe13,0.64,0.30,2.04,0.00,8.16,0.59,32. 37,0.00,1.01,13.25,41.60,0.03,0.00
SZ19_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.44,0.90,0.39,13.70,0.00,45 .77,0.00,0.00,17.84,20.96,0.00,0.00
SZ22_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.31,1.58,0.20,2.45,0.81,28. 10,0.76,0.53,7.59,56.20,1.47,0.00
SZ23_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.44,0.31,3.47,0.00,32. 77,0.96,0.25,9.41,50.46,0.00,0.20
SZ24_Dod_Globe13,0.75,0.99,0.63,0.00,3.87,0.00,31. 03,0.23,0.65,8.44,52.55,0.86,0.00
SZ25_Dod_Globe13,1.27,0.00,0.01,0.24,1.16,2.24,26. 66,0.76,0.00,9.92,54.04,1.87,1.83
SZ27_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.02,1.85,0.07,1.61,0.00,27. 26,0.79,0.00,7.88,58.80,0.73,0.00
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.17,6.74,0.00,34 .03,0.00,2.45,16.84,38.34,0.00,0.00
SZ28_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.18,1.12,0.00,7.99,0.00,42. 40,0.53,0.14,12.16,33.33,1.14,0.00
SZ30_Dod_Globe13,1.21,0.00,2.17,0.00,2.81,1.09,28. 55,0.00,0.09,10.26,53.81,0.00,0.00
SZ31_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.71,0.00,13.49,0.00,35 .61,0.61,2.10,18.66,27.19,0.00,0.63
SZ32_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.03,0.21,11.44,0.00,40 .71,0.00,0.14,18.28,26.96,0.00,0.97
SZ37_Dod_Globe13,0.80,0.00,1.35,0.00,11.96,1.36,34 .57,0.00,0.04,18.36,29.93,1.22,0.43
SZ38_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,2.07,0.45,4.25,0.10,32. 03,0.00,0.00,8.32,51.62,0.00,0.00
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
SZ41_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.62,1.96,0.00,2.63,0.00,29. 61,0.84,0.00,1.95,61.39,0.00,0.00
SZ42_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.10,1.64,0.01,2.10,0.00,31. 13,0.72,1.30,11.07,51.93,0.00,0.00
AV1_Dod_Globe13,0.50,0.45,0.88,0.46,4.82,0.00,24.2 4,0.00,0.58,8.62,58.90,0.55,0.00
AV2_Dod_Globe13,1.17,1.09,1.55,0.03,2.73,0.00,22.5 3,0.04,0.19,6.40,63.87,0.38,0.00
SZ28. Nice Salento. Thanks :good_job:
Distance to:
Duarte3.txt
6.74748842
SZ28_Dod_Globe13
13.44012649
SZ1_Dod_Globe13
13.95866039
SZ32_Dod_Globe13
15.04413839
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13
15.60210563
SZ37_Dod_Globe13
15.62686789
SZ18_Dod_Globe13
16.34446084
SZ6_Dod_Globe13
16.51927662
SZ31_Dod_Globe13
17.91123949
SZ19_Dod_Globe13
21.34508843
SZ23_Dod_Globe13
22.41990187
SZ38_Dod_Globe13
23.32531457
SZ40_Dod_Globe13
23.84017408
SZ42_Dod_Globe13
24.02147997
SZ24_Dod_Globe13
25.44447484
SZ14_Dod_Globe13
26.40919915
SZ30_Dod_Globe13
28.29613578
SZ25_Dod_Globe13
28.58298270
SZ22_Dod_Globe13
29.63152038
SZ13_Dod_Globe13
30.31335184
SZ12_Dod_Globe13
31.02085750
SZ16_Dod_Globe13
31.24293200
SZ27_Dod_Globe13
32.71022623
SZ41_Dod_Globe13
32.75255257
AV1_Dod_Globe13
33.34630114
SZ9_Dod_Globe13
Distance to:
Duarte3.txt
6.37920675
12.80% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 87.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13
6.68203952
97.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13 + 2.80% SZ41_Dod_Globe13
6.72952763
1.40% SZ9_Dod_Globe13 + 98.60% SZ28_Dod_Globe13
6.73699153
98.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13 + 1.80% SZ38_Dod_Globe13
6.74529298
0.60% SZ22_Dod_Globe13 + 99.40% SZ28_Dod_Globe13
6.74589805
0.80% SZ23_Dod_Globe13 + 99.20% SZ28_Dod_Globe13
6.74646910
0.40% SZ27_Dod_Globe13 + 99.60% SZ28_Dod_Globe13
6.74680660
0.40% SZ16_Dod_Globe13 + 99.60% SZ28_Dod_Globe13
6.74739791
99.80% SZ28_Dod_Globe13 + 0.20% AV2_Dod_Globe13
7.67887506
52.80% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 47.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13
8.07190759
66.40% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 33.60% SZ41_Dod_Globe13
8.19371067
44.40% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 55.60% SZ32_Dod_Globe13
8.56751641
32.80% SZ9_Dod_Globe13 + 67.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13
8.81844426
57.00% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 43.00% SZ38_Dod_Globe13
8.96568043
55.60% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 44.40% SZ23_Dod_Globe13
9.16461154
61.40% SZ6_Dod_Globe13 + 38.60% SZ40_Dod_Globe13
9.26496049
34.20% SZ16_Dod_Globe13 + 65.80% SZ19_Dod_Globe13
9.30581130
59.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 40.80% SZ24_Dod_Globe13
9.32946591
63.80% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 36.20% SZ22_Dod_Globe13
9.47591320
66.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 33.80% SZ27_Dod_Globe13
9.65762521
35.00% SZ13_Dod_Globe13 + 65.00% SZ19_Dod_Globe13
9.69668293
34.40% SZ12_Dod_Globe13 + 65.60% SZ19_Dod_Globe13
9.69918391
59.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 40.80% SZ42_Dod_Globe13
9.86227935
62.20% SZ19_Dod_Globe13 + 37.80% SZ30_Dod_Globe13
9.89490335
39.00% SZ14_Dod_Globe13 + 61.00% SZ19_Dod_Globe13
https://i.imgur.com/RCjuoBx.jpg
:cool-v: Duarte :)
my SZ28 is not as huge as yours, :thinking: :laughing::laughing::laughing:
… when I reload the Kit sometimes it doesn’t show up:
https://i.imgur.com/rTWGezi.jpg
:cool-v: Duarte :)
my SZ28 is not as huge as yours, :thinking: :laughing::laughing::laughing:
… when I reload the Kit sometimes it doesn’t show up:
https://i.imgur.com/rTWGezi.jpg
lol. :laughing:
We take the same ancestral woman, but matching with she in different autosomal chromosomes. Nice. :good_job: I don’t matching with she in the 14 chromosome :smile:
lol. :laughing:
We take the same ancestral woman, but matching with she in different autosomal chromosomes. Nice. :good_job: I don’t matching with she in the 14 chromosome :smile:
She’s by herself on chrome 14, … guess she’s very different from all my other Deep Dives:
https://i.imgur.com/GLDxVSM.jpg
She’s by herself on chrome 14, … guess she’s very different from all my other Deep Dives:
https://i.imgur.com/GLDxVSM.jpg
Although she is by herself on chromosome 14, the concrete fact is that she is there.:good_job:
‘82 Etruscans’ among my top 125 MTA samples
14. Volterra Etruria Italy
500 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.56 - VOL001
18. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.85 - CSN003
20. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 10.92 - TAQ016
37. Etruscan League Veii
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.67 - VEU001
49. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.3 - CSN009
51. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.36 - MAG001
52. Etruscan Perusia
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.38 - PRZ002
65. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.83 - CSN001
79. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.15 - TAQ006
87. Etruscan Vatluna Twelve Cities
600 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.43 - VET003
92. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.6 - TAQ002
97. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 13.69 - CSN006
105. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.25 - TAQ005
107. Etruscan Tarquinii Italy
800 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.34 - TAQ012
111. Etruria Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.41 - ETR007
120. Etruscan Populonia
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.69 - POP001
122. Cesena Etruscan Iron Age Italy
1000 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.76 - CSN005
https://i.imgur.com/umonYC3.png
https://i.imgur.com/PDGkvOY.png
https://i.imgur.com/o5taxdg.png
https://i.imgur.com/yH5iw1s.png
https://i.imgur.com/QKnq756.png
https://i.imgur.com/JVXkOR4.png
https://i.imgur.com/cupJOFc.png
https://i.imgur.com/FwIOSua.png
@Duarte,
... still working on it, ... most Szolad Dodecad Globe 13
maybe you are close to some of them:
SZ1_Dod_Globe13,3.39,0.78,0.77,0.25,10.28,2.36,34. 17,0.90,0.48,14.71,30.84,0.39,0.69
SZ6_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.19,0.00,0.00,10.44,0.00,38. 22,3.84,1.38,0.51,44.43,0.00,0.00
SZ9_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.36,0.00,0.00,0.00,28.9 8,0.00,0.30,4.32,61.44,2.87,0.00
SZ12_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.60,0.00,0.01,0.00,28. 61,0.60,0.00,9.81,57.95,1.01,0.14
SZ13_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,1.09,0.21,1.81,0.00,27. 83,1.03,0.37,8.62,57.11,0.79,0.00
SZ14_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.66,1.64,0.30,2.15,0.00,29. 77,1.28,0.00,11.07,53.13,0.00,0.00
SZ16_Dod_Globe13,0.98,0.00,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,29. 43,0.00,0.00,7.95,59.22,1.13,0.00
SZ18_Dod_Globe13,0.64,0.30,2.04,0.00,8.16,0.59,32. 37,0.00,1.01,13.25,41.60,0.03,0.00
SZ19_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.44,0.90,0.39,13.70,0.00,45 .77,0.00,0.00,17.84,20.96,0.00,0.00
SZ22_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.31,1.58,0.20,2.45,0.81,28. 10,0.76,0.53,7.59,56.20,1.47,0.00
SZ23_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.74,1.44,0.31,3.47,0.00,32. 77,0.96,0.25,9.41,50.46,0.00,0.20
SZ24_Dod_Globe13,0.75,0.99,0.63,0.00,3.87,0.00,31. 03,0.23,0.65,8.44,52.55,0.86,0.00
SZ25_Dod_Globe13,1.27,0.00,0.01,0.24,1.16,2.24,26. 66,0.76,0.00,9.92,54.04,1.87,1.83
SZ27_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.02,1.85,0.07,1.61,0.00,27. 26,0.79,0.00,7.88,58.80,0.73,0.00
SZ27b_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.17,6.74,0.00,34 .03,0.00,2.45,16.84,38.34,0.00,0.00
SZ28_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.18,1.12,0.00,7.99,0.00,42. 40,0.53,0.14,12.16,33.33,1.14,0.00
SZ30_Dod_Globe13,1.21,0.00,2.17,0.00,2.81,1.09,28. 55,0.00,0.09,10.26,53.81,0.00,0.00
SZ31_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.71,0.00,13.49,0.00,35 .61,0.61,2.10,18.66,27.19,0.00,0.63
SZ32_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.27,1.03,0.21,11.44,0.00,40 .71,0.00,0.14,18.28,26.96,0.00,0.97
SZ36_Dod_Globe13,0.16,0.24,2.32,0.21,12.98,1.11,37 .70,0.44,0.00,17.47,27.38,0.00,0.00
SZ37_Dod_Globe13,0.80,0.00,1.35,0.00,11.96,1.36,34 .57,0.00,0.04,18.36,29.93,1.22,0.43
SZ38_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.15,2.07,0.45,4.25,0.10,32. 03,0.00,0.00,8.32,51.62,0.00,0.00
SZ40_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.75,2.52,0.00,16.27,0.00,39 .31,0.00,0.00,22.68,18.47,0.00,0.00
SZ41_Dod_Globe13,0.00,1.62,1.96,0.00,2.63,0.00,29. 61,0.84,0.00,1.95,61.39,0.00,0.00
SZ42_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.10,1.64,0.01,2.10,0.00,31. 13,0.72,1.30,11.07,51.93,0.00,0.00
AV1_Dod_Globe13,0.50,0.45,0.88,0.46,4.82,0.00,24.2 4,0.00,0.58,8.62,58.90,0.55,0.00
AV2_Dod_Globe13,1.17,1.09,1.55,0.03,2.73,0.00,22.5 3,0.04,0.19,6.40,63.87,0.38,0.00
Target: TorzioK13
73.6
SZ1_Dod_Globe13
26.4
SZ40_Dod_Globe13
new
https://i.postimg.cc/zBD0YXPr/full-admixture-MTA.png
mine above
my fathers numbers below
Illyrian = 33.9 %
Roman = 15.7 %
Roman Hispanian = 8.08 %
Gallo-Roman = 8.05 %
Gaul = 6.57 %
Frank = 6.54 %
Etruscan = 5.10 %
Samnite = 2.78 %
Visigoth = 2.78 %
others irrelevant
(https://postimg.cc/t1fhhyjS)
Mine has not changed in regards to the order as per posts above
but my fathers has changed to
1 =
Scythian Outlier Hungary 550 BC DA195
2 =
Bronze Age Tepe Hissar Iran 2380 BC I2514
then we have AD times
SZ36 Raw-Data
(comb, 23s, Ancestry, …)
… you’re welcome …
https://www.mediafire.com/file/7ylbk2d7rudhr0x/sz36.zip/file
GedM…: # QG2674693
https://i.imgur.com/RI5qx02.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/H3wsntP.jpg
imho MTA SZ36 file is corrupted or not properly linked to all their apps, … my SZ36 raw-data is of high quality.
Duarte is obviously close to the Etruscans..… wondering if the Etruscans could have been good Soccer players too :)
Duarte is obviously close to the Etruscans..… wondering if the Etruscans could have been good Soccer players too :)
Yes, Etruscans was good Soccer players. They played matches every day after the end of the works day. The classics of the time was Etruscan x Latin, Greek x Etruscan, Greek x Latin. But, after many championships, the Latins became the great champions, absorbing the Etruscan and Greek players. :thinking::laughing::smile:
Yes, Etruscans was good Soccer players. They played matches every day after the end of the works day. The classics of the time was Etruscan x Latin, Greek x Etruscan, Greek x Latin. But, after many championships, the Latins became the great champions, absorbing the Etruscan and Greek players. :thinking::laughing::smile:
In my mind, … I'm watching the game Lusitanic vs Messapii … and guess who just scored … :laughing:
In my mind, … I'm watching the game Lusitanic vs Messapii … and guess who just scored … :laughing:
:thinking::shocked: :laughing::laughing:
Louis XVI
… he had congenital insensitivity to pain, … excellent for neck trauma :grin:
some Louis XVI ancient relatives:
https://i.imgur.com/PTSaKMR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YrqiJHb.jpg
Louis XVI
… he had congenital insensitivity to pain, … excellent for neck trauma :grin:
some Louis XVI ancient relatives:
https://i.imgur.com/PTSaKMR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YrqiJHb.jpg
:good_job:
Poor King Louis.:sad-2:
I have a certain tendency to take ‘Deep Dive’ with people who have been beheaded. :confused2:
I hope this is not a sign of ill omen. :laughing:
https://i.imgur.com/dmwr1QK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pDCjMTW.jpg
:good_job:
Poor King Louis.:sad-2:
I have a certain tendency to take ‘Deep Dive’ with people who have been beheaded. :confused2:
I hope this is not a sign of ill omen. :laughing:
https://i.imgur.com/dmwr1QK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pDCjMTW.jpg
You’ll be fine..don’t lose your head thinking about it :smile:
thank you for this thread, I did not know if to trust mytrueancestry.
I see some genune italian in here..and very glad to.
I match too much to make sense of it.. I only have an italian grandma.
1. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.742 - CL57
Top 100 % match vs all users
2. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.445 - I3313B
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.473 - I3313C
Top 99 % match vs all users
4. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.507 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
5. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.654 - CL63
Top 97 % match vs all users
thank you for this thread, I did not know if to trust mytrueancestry.
I see some genune italian in here..and very glad to.
I match too much to make sense of it.. I only have an italian grandma.
1. Medieval Piedmont
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.742 - CL57
Top 100 % match vs all users
2. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.445 - I3313B
Top 99 % match vs all users
3. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.473 - I3313C
Top 99 % match vs all users
4. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 6.507 - I3313
Top 99 % match vs all users
5. North Central Lombard
580 AD - Genetic Distance: 7.654 - CL63
Top 97 % match vs all users
Nice :good_job:
You’ll be fine..don’t lose your head thinking about it :smile:
lol:laughing:
MTA Louis XVI sample quality is 69%, mine's about 85% (see gaps on deep dive)
… and on mine the King shift less to the West and a bit more East, … fwiw:
https://i.imgur.com/DX4JQJh.jpg
Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13 84.49%
Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.28,12.52,0. 00,38.25,0.46,0.00,19.43,28.77,0.00,0.00
Louis_XVI_Dodecad_K12b 84.42%
Louis_XVI_Dod_K12b,9.00,0.00,1.10,0.00,34.58,20.61 ,0.31,0.46,8.50,0.00,25.44,0.00
King vs S
https://i.imgur.com/EZjPNKr.jpg
MTA Louis XVI sample quality is 69%, mine's about 85% (see gaps on deep dive)
… and on mine the King shift less to the West and a bit more East, … fwiw:
https://i.imgur.com/DX4JQJh.jpg
Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13 84.49%
Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,0.29,0.28,12.52,0. 00,38.25,0.46,0.00,19.43,28.77,0.00,0.00
Louis_XVI_Dodecad_K12b 84.42%
Louis_XVI_Dod_K12b,9.00,0.00,1.10,0.00,34.58,20.61 ,0.31,0.46,8.50,0.00,25.44,0.00
King vs S
https://i.imgur.com/EZjPNKr.jpg
:good_job:
Mine:
MTA:
https://i.imgur.com/PiM3tER.jpg
Dod Global 13:
Distance to:
Duarte
15.53192519
Louis_XVI_Dod_Globe13
Dod K12b
Distance to:
Duarte
17.45157013
Louis_XVI_Dod_K12b
Gedmatch one to one:
No shared DNA segments found
520690 SNPs used for this comparison.
Comparison took 0.302.
CPU time used: 0.051.
Ver: May 7 2021 01 21 15 (tel:7 2021 01 21 15)
:shocked::grin::laughing:
… top Iron-Age and Medieval-Age:
https://i.imgur.com/btG9AhF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8mYWmir.jpg
My MTA “Rock of Ages”
https://i.imgur.com/BA6us6u.png
… new (maybe temp) trophies: Etruria and Sannio:
https://i.imgur.com/FUfiOwB.jpg
I3313 is noted Dalmatian ..............but to others
Etruscan-Illyrian_1200BCE_HRV_IA_I3313 - This is pre-Roman Italian - more like North Italian?
Liburnian from the southern edge of Liburnia, born in Skradin on the Krka river. The Liburnians were similar to Etruscans and old Italic people.
the area was Liburnian in the late bronze-age to mid iron-age
to me ............Liburnians and Dalmatians should be very close genetically
The Liburnian connection with Etruscan seems to be a result of the Liburnian colony in Picene lands ( more likely North-Picene )
I do not know why I get I3313 sample 3 times in MTA
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users
17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users
18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users
I do not know why I get I3313 sample 3 times in MTA
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users
17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users
18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users
.. obviously they have 3 different sources of the same sample and they chose not to combine them.
I do not know why I get I3313 sample 3 times in MTA
7. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 8.808 - I3313
Top 98 % match vs all users
17. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.08 - I3313B
Top 96 % match vs all users
18. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1200 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.11 - I3313C
Top 96 % match vs all users
my I3313 deep dive, still high :)
I get two Log02 samples, :thinking: I3313 and Log02 DNA has multiple personalities disorder :grin:
https://i.imgur.com/gqNQubF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nu3q5C5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xEAT5ZZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Aie8BXN.jpg
I have these MTA matches with these Bronze Age Dalmatians.
https://i.imgur.com/muD4BQe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h1x8WVv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oGoA8nt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/T1OX67n.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1gMb64U.jpg
But the match that, for now, I think the most coolest is this ‘Deep Dive’ with an Iranian.
https://i.imgur.com/MEPiHqv.jpg
:good_job: Duarte, … technically the three I3313 samples count as one :)
:good_job: Duarte, … technically the three I3313 samples count as one :)
:good_job:
Thank you Salento.
:good_job:
Thank you Salento.
I get a deep dive with I4332 too, but only once, lol
https://i.imgur.com/f099BoS.jpg
I get a deep dive with I4332 too, but only once, lol
https://i.imgur.com/f099BoS.jpg
:embarassed::good_job::laughing:
have 14332 twice
52. Veliki Vanik Croatia Bronze Age
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.16 - I4332b
Top 94 % match vs all users
56. Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC - Genetic Distance: 14.38 - I4332
Top 95 % match vs all users
different names for same sample
thanks - very useful comments here on these 'Illyrian' samples!
Hi Torzio:good_job:.
The same thing happens to me too.
https://i.imgur.com/wYMoTbh.jpg
thanks - very useful comments here on these 'Illyrian' samples!
You’re welcome Olivand:good_job:
I ran results from 3000BC until 1800BC and they are below .......................I was told only the samples connected with a red line is my "matches"
these results do not appear if you run this as the default setting
https://i.postimg.cc/HWhg0xh5/1900bc.png (https://postimg.cc/jCPmtsKd)
I ran results from 3000BC until 1800BC and they are below .......................I was told only the samples connected with a red line is my "matches"
these results do not appear if you run this as the default setting
https://i.postimg.cc/HWhg0xh5/1900bc.png (https://postimg.cc/jCPmtsKd)
… the yellow lines are your deep dive (cM) matches (your ancient relatives)!
the rest are just distance matches.
only change is closest ancient populations ..............samnites included for first time
Roman + Illyrian (4.887)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gaul + Samnite (6.449)
Gaul + Roman (6.871)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
Gallo-Roman (7.192)
Illyrian (8.808)
Roman (9.782)
Gaul (12.22)
Samnite (12.39)
and this below added to neolitihic age
20. Bronze Age Bulgaria
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.17 - I2165
I2165, Bronze Age, 3020-2895 calBCE
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616
I2165
mtDNA: T2f
Y-DNA: I2a2a1b1b
only change is closest ancient populations ..............samnites included for first time
Roman + Illyrian (4.887)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gaul + Samnite (6.449)
Gaul + Roman (6.871)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.133)
Gallo-Roman (7.192)
Illyrian (8.808)
Roman (9.782)
Gaul (12.22)
Samnite (12.39)
and this below added to neolitihic age
20. Bronze Age Bulgaria
3000 BC - Genetic Distance: 11.17 - I2165
I’m close to a couple of Venosa / Samnite, they’re with the Iron-Age samples, but we know they’re from about 700 AD, I think they're close to some Foggia VK and Medieval Rs, and my top Medievals are all Italian :)
https://i.imgur.com/5g6HDkt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LZ7tNl7.jpg
I’m close to a couple of Venosa / Samnite, they’re with the Iron-Age samples, but we know they’re from about 700 AD, I think they're close to some Foggia VK and Medieval Rs, and my top Medievals are all Italian :)
https://i.imgur.com/5g6HDkt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LZ7tNl7.jpg
they only gave me one samnite match
32. Ancient Venosa Samnite
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.39 - VEN016
Top 99 % match vs all users
they only gave me one samnite match
32. Ancient Venosa Samnite
400 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.39 - VEN016
Top 99 % match vs all users
… VEN016 - third to last:
(if I add the Foggia VK, VEN016 becomes the last)
https://i.imgur.com/cmWC5jd.gif
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41861-The-origin-and-legacy-of-the-Etruscans-through-a-2000-year-archeogenomic-time-transec?p=631943&viewfull=1#post631943
Mine seem to be all over the place. Classic northern euro hybrid
Viking + Celt (2.149)
Viking Danish + Vandal (3.46)
Celt + Saxon (3.622)
Celt + Vandal (3.737)
Viking + Saxon (3.995)
Celt (5.432)
Vandal (5.617)
Saxon (5.708)
Viking Danish (6.759)
Viking (7.302)
Early Modern Period
12964
IA timelapse x2 maps:
Latins, Sanniti, Etruria:
https://i.imgur.com/xkXqk2c.jpg
Romans
https://i.imgur.com/M5PvovL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/siQupHX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MTLpTcd.jpg
Why are all (but one) my DNA samples and Deep Dive results given as being R1b1a.... but I'm a confirmed E1b1b1a1b1a? The only example that MTA can provide that actually matches is "Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica"
I would have expected there to have been no matches if the haplogroups don't match.? Maybe genetics works differently?
Or are MTA just padding out the results to make it look like I'm actually getting something after paying my money?
Why are all (but one) my DNA samples and Deep Dive results given as being R1b1a.... but I'm a confirmed E1b1b1a1b1a? The only example that MTA can provide that actually matches is "Late Medieval Cancelleria Basilica"
I would have expected there to have been no matches if the haplogroups don't match.? Maybe genetics works differently?
Or are MTA just padding out the results to make it look like I'm actually getting something after paying my money?
Haplogroups don’t necessarily determine your matches and ethnicity.
Your male line: your Father, his Father and so on have Mothers too, … their Fathers could have a different Y Haplogroup than your male line.
Humans have 23 pair of chromosomes (46),
… of the first 22 pairs (autosomes) you get one chromosome from each Parent,
… than comes the 23rd, the sex chromosome, as male you get only one X chromosome from your Mother, and the Y chromosome from your Father (your Y Haplogroup,) females don’t get the Y chr… Females get the X pair (one X from each parent),
… mtDNA is not a chromosome, but it determines female Haplogroups.
Thanks for this reply Salento.
I think this more of my misunderstanding of what MTA are providing - of course, my mother's brother is still my relative even if he does have a different haplogroup from his father. And the autosomal data, by definition, goes beyond the simple male line Y-DNA.
And by using the autosomal data, MTA is, of course, going to show these "non-direct" male relatives - yes?
I think I need to have a 'genealogical genetics' 101!
Thanks for this reply Salento.
I think this more of my misunderstanding of what MTA are providing - of course, my mother's brother is still my relative even if he does have a different haplogroup from his father. And the autosomal data, by definition, goes beyond the simple male line Y-DNA.
And by using the autosomal data, MTA is, of course, going to show these "non-direct" male relatives - yes?
I think I need to have a 'genealogical genetics' 101!
Generally, the autosomal bulk comes from chromosomes 1 to 22.
Consider Haplogroups only as Indelible Legacy IDs, … Ancient Marks burned in the DNA, a Tribal Tattoo, …
My background is mostly (southwestern) Romanian with some northern Greek and Aromanian Vlach, as well as a bit of northern Italian.
https://i.imgur.com/O1seIU8.png
https://i.imgur.com/9AzRgPA.png
https://i.imgur.com/oxSqato.png
https://i.imgur.com/c87Cplx.png
https://i.imgur.com/ySoecIc.png
My results were a combination of Byzantine and Gaulish, oddly enough. Not sure how that came up. Also got Gallo-Romans and such as high on my list. The weird thing is even though I'm almost half Greek I see the Ancient Greek is in last place on the pie chart haha... how does that make sense? The main result said Byzantine but on the chart it was further down the list. So what do each of these things truly represent?
Is Byzantine really one ethnicity though? Seems to be a lot of that from Italy, even though I'm only like an eighth.
Also, were those Hellenic skeletons in India or the Himalayas modern rather than ancient?
How accurate are these things, and is it worth it to pay to get deeper analysis and more data? Or is it just some scheme to make money off people because they might like to hear that they are connected to certain people or peoples? I mean it said I was decently closely related to King Louis XIV of France, the Sun King, as well as Marat and a few others somehow haha.
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Well I re-did it after a few months and the results changed to make a bit more sense, with Illyrians in second place:
https://i.imgur.com/jn7bgOV.jpg
I have learned from Mytrueancestry that my ancestors had discovered America before Columbus... Erik the Red ! Is not that funny?
… VEN016 - third to last:
(if I add the Foggia VK, VEN016 becomes the last)
https://i.imgur.com/cmWC5jd.gif
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41861-The-origin-and-legacy-of-the-Etruscans-through-a-2000-year-archeogenomic-time-transec?p=631943&viewfull=1#post631943
… with the Foggia VK :
https://i.imgur.com/7d9SQj3.gif
phatchillin
21-10-21, 02:10
My results.
Closest Ancient Populations: Vikings, Visigoths (also Franks, Danish Vikings, and Saxons)
Closest Archaeogenetic Matches
1. Copper Age Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.005
Top
100 % match vs all users
2. Bronze Age Covesea Cave Scotland
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.61
Top
100 % match vs all users
3. Bronze Age Czech Velke Prilepy
2100 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.612
Top
99 % match vs all users
4. Bell Beaker Scotland
2145 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.778
Top
99 % match vs all users
5. Copper Age Irlbach Straubing-Bogen Bavaria
2250 BC - Genetic Distance: 4.787
Top
100 % match vs all users
6. Bronze Age Prague Czech Kobylisy
1813 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.21
Top
98 % match vs all users
7. Viking Age Skara Varnhem Sweden
1050 AD - Genetic Distance: 5.403
Top
91 % match vs all users
8. Copper Age Bell Beaker Brandysek Czech
2350 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.46
Top
99 % match vs all users
9. Glavanesti Bronze Age Romania
2000 BC - Genetic Distance: 5.472
Top
97 % match vs all users
10. Viking St. Brice Massacre Oxford
1002 AD - Genetic Distance: 6.034
Top
94 % match vs all users
Closest Modern Populations
1. North_German (7.044)
2. Danish (7.312)
3. Flemish (7.602)
4. South_Dutch (7.668)
5. North_Dutch (7.987)
6. Southwest_English (8.123)
7. German_Central (8.140)
8. Welsh (8.286)
I heard this sample is half northern italian and half slavic-nordic is that true?
I heard this sample is half northern italian and half slavic-nordic is that true?
… imho VK538 is half Southern Italian and half Norman, … the map shows an approximate midway point, I Think :)
The Vikings in Southern Italy were Normans.
(Often, Oracles give approximated halfway results to mixed people)
https://i.imgur.com/NLpTcfT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bVsBvTR.jpg
VK538 (Foggia Viking) - Maciamo 2Way calculator:
... it agrees with my assumptions above (VK538 = Southern Italian + Norman)
Top result: Nordic BA + Foggia_Apulia, and is closer to the Scandinavian Vikings than the Russian ones.
https://i.imgur.com/6MalsZr.gif
Distance to:
Nordic_Bronze_Age_(n=14)
6.19196253
Swedish
6.47574706
Danish
6.92040461
Norwegian
8.05537088
Icelandic
VK538_Dod_K12b,5.67,0.03,1.37,1.02,31.40,31.69,0.0 0,0.00,7.51,0.17,19.83,1.30
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/41206-Eupedia-Ancient-Ethnicities-Checker-reliably-compare-your-DNA-to-ancient-populations
thanks!!! im new in this page but i will start posting my results maybe later :) can i ask how you can download that sample can you show me pls?
thanks!!! im new in this page but i will start posting my results maybe later :) can i ask how you can download that sample can you show me pls?
VK538 raw-data:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/wn9iqlbh5rhan5x/VK538_CombinedKit.zip/file
Bam:
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/SAMEA6800261
can I ask you one last favor? you can pass me if you can the sample of R110
(vasconic-roman mix crypta balbi)
can I ask you one last favor? you can pass me if you can the sample of R110
(vasconic-roman mix crypta balbi)
R110 raw-data:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/yq2zxe7d5p968yi/R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi.zip/file
https://i.imgur.com/O2H1UHG.jpg
............
I’m not sure, I need the name of the sample.
Yeah sorry i wqs confused is AEH_1 thats true
the name sample is AEH_3
I’m not aware of AEH_3, … but I know of AEH_1 … ENA file AEHIb ? I Think!
(Population genomic analysis of Elongated Skulls reveals extensive female-biased immigration in Early Medieval Bavaria)
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494
Sorry im confused is true isAEH_1 ostrogoth mix in MTA
In Ancient Relavites the first population is Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece 1861 BC 95% higher than others with the same match, I also have other Greek samples, the oldest are two samples from 2827 BC, i'm from Gargano (north-east Apulia)
Sorry I'm confused is true isAEH_1 ostrogoth mix in MTA
I don't know if it's the same sample for MTA, ...
the Sample ID is AEHIb ... AEH_1 is just its Skeletal code,
GedMatch: AEHIb # ZR3497137
Raw_Data:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/b6s3hcxvw8fnexj/AEHIb.zip/file
In Ancient Relavites the first population is Ancient Middle Helladic Elati-Logkas Greece 1861 BC 95% higher than others with the same match, I also have other Greek samples, the oldest are two samples from 2827 BC, i'm from Gargano (north-east Apulia)
I assume that your 1861 BC sample is Log02…,
anch’io sono Pugliese, …di Lecce :)
https://i.imgur.com/83BABcT.jpg
@Kenshiro … Do you know your Haplogroups?
… new Deep Dive: ETR016 Siena Italy 470 AD
https://i.imgur.com/UCUtIWU.jpg
… the sample was added to ENA at a later date, … it’s missing at Vahaduo, though:
ETR016_Dod_K12b,4.72,0.00,3.51,0.00,29.85,11.84,0. 90,1.90,14.59,1.16,31.53,0.00
ETR016_Dod_Globe13,0.00,2.20,0.55,1.63,18.17,0.00, 39.19,0.24,0.00,19.83,17.70,0.00,0.50
ETR016_Dodecad_K7b,0.46,23.16,0.00,1.86,38.44,34.8 8,1.20
I have that too, but the first is Log04 with 95% (Largest chain 1046 SNP), Log02 instead is at 65%, then also Minoans, Samnites, two Viking samples from Foggia haha, very cool haha, in the map I also have a connection with the Greenland, I think it's the Normans, other Greek samples even more ancient, 2 samples of 2827 BC, è troppo figa sta cosa ahaha
This is modern population distance:
1. Greek (8.084)
2. Italian_Abruzzo (9.011)
3. Central_Greek (9.752)
4. West_Sicilian (10.21)
5. Albanian_Tosk (11.04)
6. East_Sicilian (11.14)
7. South_Italian (11.52)
8. Kosovar (12.04)
Yes, J1a, but I suppose it is of Neolithic origin, because I have 0% Red Sea
Slovenian samples taken from the supplementary material of ‘Cosmopolitanism at the Roman Danubian Frontier, Slavic Migrations, and the Genomic Formation of Modern Balkan Peoples’ paper now appear among my 125 top matches in the MTA, one of them at a distance less than 10.
3. Illyrian Slovenia
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 9.253 - I5692
48. Iron Age Obrezje Slovenia
301 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.01 - I5696
51. Iron Age Kapiteljska njive Slovenia
665 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.12 - I5691
52. Illyrian Slovenia
300 BC - Genetic Distance: 12.19 - I5693
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2021/08/31/2021.08.30.458211/DC4/embed/media-4.xlsx?download=true
I5689
Slovenia_EIA
M
750-400 BCE
898556
Slovenia, Grofove njive
Slovenia
45.914224
15.4691
Patterson et al., in submission
I5690
Slovenia_EIA
M
750-400 BCE
920296
Slovenia, Grofove njive
Slovenia
45.914224
15.4691
Patterson et al., in submission
I5691
Slovenia_EIA
M
787-544 cal BCE (2518±28 BP, SUERC-69417)
769301
Slovenia, Novo mesto, Kapiteljska njive
Slovenia
45.81207
15.158908
Patterson et al., in submission
I5692
Slovenia_EIA
F
795-592 cal BCE (2550±15 BP, PSUAMS-3055)
880797
Slovenia, Ljublijana, Kongresni trg
Slovenia
46.050237
14.50372
Patterson et al., in submission
I5693
Slovenia_EIA
F
796-570 cal BCE (2550±20 BP, PSUAMS-3092)
881342
Slovenia, Ljublijana, Kongresni trg
Slovenia
46.050237
14.50372
Patterson et al., in submission
I5694
Slovenia_EIA
M
795-567 cal BCE (2545±20 BP, PSUAMS-3093)
900855
Metlika-Hrib
Slovenia
45.652658
15.320159
Patterson et al., in submission
I5687
Slovenia_EIA
M
791-544 cal BCE (2525±31 BP, SUERC-69707)
1031953 (tel:1031953)
Slovenia, Dolge njive
Slovenia
45.867366
15.279788
Patterson et al., in submission
I5698
Slovenia_EIA
F
776-539 cal BCE (2499±28 BP, SUERC-69422)
934874
Zagorje ob Savi
Slovenia
46.13711
14.992415
Patterson et al., in submission
I5686
Slovenia_EIA
M
808-568 cal BCE (2569±30 BP, SUERC-69428)
890836
Slovenia, Dolge njive
Slovenia
45.867366
15.279788
Patterson et al., in submission
I5696
Slovenia_EIA
M
401-208 cal BCE (2281±29 BP, SUERC-69438)
898211
Slovenia, Obrežje
Slovenia
45.847908
15.690421
Patterson et al., in submission
I5697
Slovenia_EIA
F
901-805 cal BCE (2693±29 BP, SUERC-69436)
849264
Slovenia, Obrežje
Slovenia
45.847908
15.690421
Patterson et al., in submission
Yes, J1a, but I suppose it is of Neolithic origin, because I have 0% Red Sea
Thanks Kenshiro, … my y Haplogroup is not very popular, I can count the Internet members of my final clade with one hand, … I thought that I was going to be J or R1b, but surprisingly I’m T1a2… (T-SK1480).
I also get i Vichinghi Foggiani :) … Top 10 Medieval Age:
https://i.imgur.com/Uf6ka5x.gif
… new Deep Dive: ETR016 Siena Italy 470 AD
https://i.imgur.com/UCUtIWU.jpg
ETR016 470 AD :
MTA 60 SNPs deep dive (default) vs 60 SNPs GedM… 1-to-1
… MTA Larg. Seg. 60.7 cM vs GedM 9 cM (5.4 Generations)
https://i.imgur.com/XVlhDk6.jpg
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