PDA

View Full Version : Mytrueancestry.com



Pages : 1 2 [3] 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15

Jovialis
05-05-19, 14:02
https://i.imgur.com/9Gvwwwi.jpg

Living DNA still shows the most results, despite having the least SNPs of all the raw data versions I have. While my Superkit in Ancestry format, has the most, and only shows a modest amount of results. Perhaps because the amount of SNPs being used fills out more information, and more correctly shows what my actual results should be with this calculator? I don't think more results on the map necessarily indicate that it is more accurate. Idk But I do know more SNPs should yield more information. It is either the other ones a false matches being assigned to various samples, that is fleshed out more with more SNPs. Many of samples I get were all influenced and overlap with the Anatolian copper-age, so I can see how it (or any calculator really) could mistakenly assign those samples. Or the format in Living DNA just works better this calculator.

Ancestry by itself shows more results on the map, but the Superkit, in the same format shows slightly less. So perhaps that now that it has more SNPs to go by, it more correctly assigns the samples. Nevertheless, in 23andme format, it shows nothing, so format of the raw data is definitely a factor.

Oddly, my brother, and mother's 23andme raw data show about as much on their map, as my Living DNA kit does. They're using the same version as me.

Jovialis
05-05-19, 14:27
https://i.imgur.com/EogjlIQ.jpg

I get similar results from Great Britain, for Living DNA. But this sort of touches upon what I'm talking about. There is no way in hell that these results are accurate for a Pugliesi. These are probably used in place of a more accurate sample, that is not used by the algorithm. There is some overlapping population that exists between them. Perhaps it could even be mostly attributed the Aegean Farmers that went on the build Stonehenge. To me that seems like the only viable explanation for the overlap, because I doubt it was anything more recent. Perhaps even some very old WHG; I know that Puglia gets a relatively large amount of that. Because the steppe ancestry in Puglia is very low, and is not associated with Yamnaya, particularly.

Salento
05-05-19, 14:45
Deep-Dive Map:
https://i.imgur.com/tazMbeB.jpg

Archaeological Map:
https://i.imgur.com/y1VTNBl.jpg

Premium Map:
https://i.imgur.com/ny2l6FF.jpg

@Jovialis

I posted these results because they are the only ones with a Full Deep-Dive Map.
The other deep-dive maps are still blanks.

Salento
05-05-19, 15:15
I get similar results from Great Britain, for Living DNA. But this sort of touches upon what I'm talking about. There is no way in hell that these results are accurate for a Pugliesi. These are probably used in place of a more accurate sample, that is not used by the algorithm. There is some overlapping population that exists between them. Perhaps it could even be mostly attributed the Aegean Farmers that went on the build Stonehenge. To me that seems like the only viable explanation for the overlap, because I doubt it was anything more recent. Perhaps even some very old WHG; I know that Puglia gets a relatively large amount of that. Because the steppe ancestry in Puglia is very low, and is not associated with Yamnaya, particularly.

https://i.imgur.com/EogjlIQ.jpg

I was running 1 to 1 comparison because it’s not just LivDNA showing G.B.
Got 1.8 cM with the England-Roman soldier.

MDLP K11

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++

1 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Tyrolean_Iceman_EN @ 2.321840
2 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Europe_EN @ 2.443927
3 Armenia_LBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Hungary_EN @ 2.601341

Jovialis
05-05-19, 15:39
https://i.imgur.com/EogjlIQ.jpg

I was running 1 to 1 comparison because it’s not just LivDNA showing G.B.
Got 1.8 cM with the England-Roman soldier.

MDLP K11

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++

1 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Tyrolean_Iceman_EN @ 2.321840
2 Armenia_MLBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Europe_EN @ 2.443927
3 Armenia_LBA + Bell_Beaker + British_Roman + Hungary_EN @ 2.601341

Even so, that could just be overlapping ancient ancestry. Moreover, even with something like AncestryDNA, less than 10 cM could very well be a false match with a person living today. So 1.8cM with an ancient sample, has an exponentially higher likelihood of being a false match, I would think.

Nevertheless, there is probably something to the fact that the calculator picks it up. Whether the cM amounts are accurate or not. Though I think it is a much broader association to the sample.

Jovialis
05-05-19, 15:43
Even so, that could just be overlapping ancient ancestry. Moreover, even with something like AncestryDNA, less than 10 cM could very well be a false match with a person living today. So 1.8cM with an ancient sample, has a exponentially higher likelihood of being a false match, I would think.

Nevertheless, there is probably something to the fact that the calculator picks it up. Whether the cM amounts are accurate or not. Though I think it is a much broader association to the sample.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9tVgFmOxmk

I recommend people check out this video regarding cousins, and cM amounts. It really clears up everything regarding this discussion, and as to why people get different cM vs this calculator on GEDmatch.

Salento
05-05-19, 16:05
There's a pattern, and 11+% seems way too high of a number for a simple overlap.

It could be left over from the Normans and the Lombards.

or it’s Roman-Era DNA wrongly assigned to some British areas.

Jovialis
05-05-19, 16:17
Thats far too recent, it would show up as northwestern european in 23andme, and ancestryDNA.

Perhaps it could be true for other parts of the south. But I don't think the lombards or the normans left any significant genetic impact where we are from. Puglia has been shown to have significant Bronze-Age heritage, and the only other non-trival source is from the balkans, throughout history.

Carlos
05-05-19, 16:39
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iANkJmj0_wo/XM-CXoUnmHI/AAAAAAAAAms/JEOY3RORnzckoKRLEw_hgV2mhhChkGoKwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.jpg


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0fVTtyy1ey4/XM-INJM12uI/AAAAAAAAAnE/gwIIzKQq6P4pYhLhLRxYW1TK1GHd6UO0QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMASGRANDE.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_tM81uJcYTU/XM2lqYPA_pI/AAAAAAAAAmA/3cVIzRKfjQk68JDCjgQsZN4zlDUhrSTRgCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainasiadeep.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FsmqA9CLTuw/XM2iSRWoAtI/AAAAAAAAAlo/1hJ4XmhAcaQ7BsjClGslLRU6f8Tdb8zcACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestrynewnew4000.jpg

My new results and deep maps

Salento
05-05-19, 17:14
Thats far too recent, it would show up as northwestern european in 23andme, and ancestryDNA.

Perhaps it could be true for other parts of the south. But I don't think the lombards or the normans left any significant genetic impact where we are from. Puglia has been shown to have significant Bronze-Age heritage, and the only other non-trival source is from the balkans, throughout history.

I’m not disagreeing with you.


Mistaken Identity:

The LivDNA GB map match the Roman-Era towns and settlements in the South, nothing in middle, and then it starts again with the Antonine wall in West Scotland.

In all my K36 Similarity Maps, Scotland is higher by a couple of points than England in all my Raw-Data (maybe something really bad happened up there to cause a DNA spike so far North, but It didn’t make it into any history book)

Add also MDLP and 1 to 1 Comp.

Too many coincidences.

Putting everything together, the possibility of Roman DNA assigned by mistake to some GB areas is very high.

imho

Stuvanè
05-05-19, 17:38
My new maps and results

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=41oe6cs6e5&s=arch
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=41oe6cs6e5&s=dd

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/59566333_2508091315868364_145480399265464320_n.png ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=5a50c18bc38879c07b2d83abb057cdcd&oe=5D2DE672

Duarte
05-05-19, 18:12
Matches of MyTrueAncestry ancient samples compared with matches of the same ancient samples uploaded to the GEDmatch.

https://i.imgur.com/c1a958Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ubVxWKD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xY3ZYzr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2E8In7B.jpg

Dibran
05-05-19, 19:52
My Map:

https://i.postimg.cc/6QwVDhQG/Dibranmytrue.png

Salento
05-05-19, 20:03
My Map:

https://i.postimg.cc/6QwVDhQG/Dibranmytrue.png
At first look, your Deep-Dive map has many similarities to mine and one of Jovialis.

Stuvanè
05-05-19, 20:29
deleted:)
data error.













ooops :P

I'm trying again

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/59375164_468069540595758_1668545827573858304_n.png ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=0ec234f9bd3c36ac467f40689e9013ce&oe=5D604AD2

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/59394666_804115253315213_213219356442624_n.png?_nc _cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=06d37af0a603e59201fd5d34b4987f5d&oe=5D68CF67

matty74
05-05-19, 20:29
I don't seem to get as many hits on this map compared to previous maps. It really doesn't tell me a whole lot. I think? I don't believe the two Scandinavian components are related since I have that ancestry on both sides of the family with 3 great-grandparents that are 100% Scandinavian. (Danish & Norwegian)

https://i.imgur.com/yVVVPkd.png
https://i.imgur.com/0rnZ1nh.jpg

zanipolo
05-05-19, 23:19
grandfather above and mine below
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.252) - [Upgrade for more details]
2. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.921) - [Upgrade for more details]
3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (9.498) - [Upgrade for more details]
4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.723) - [Upgrade for more details]
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (9.779) - [Upgrade for more details]
6. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (10.35) - [Upgrade for more details]
7. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
8. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
9. Central Roman (670 AD) (12.07) - [Upgrade for more details]
10. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.14) - [Upgrade for more details]
11. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (12.81) - [Upgrade for more details]
12. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.95) - [Upgrade for more details]
13. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (13.2) - [Upgrade for more details]
14. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (13.26) - [Upgrade for more details]
15. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.43) - [Upgrade for more details]
16. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.71) - [Upgrade for more details]
17. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (13.83) - [Upgrade for more details]
18. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (14.31) - [Upgrade for more details]
19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (15.0) - [Upgrade for more details]
20. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (15.09) - [Upgrade for more details]
21. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (15.13) - [Upgrade for more details]
22. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (17.79) - [Upgrade for more details]
23. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (18.69) - [Upgrade for more details]
24. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (19.96) - [Upgrade for more details]
25. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (20.01) - [Upgrade for more details]
26. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (20.08) - [Upgrade for more details]
27. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (20.16) - [Upgrade for more details]
28. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (20.24) - [Upgrade for more details]
29. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (20.39) - [Upgrade for more details]
30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (20.46) - [Upgrade for more details]
31. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (20.69) - [Upgrade for more details]
32. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (20.79) - [Upgrade for more details]
33. Hungary Iron Age (800 BC) (20.8) - [Upgrade for more details]
34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (21.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
35. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (21.78) - [Upgrade for more details]
36. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (22.24) - [Upgrade for more details]
37. Halstatt (775 BC) (22.36) - [Upgrade for more details]
38. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (22.38) - [Upgrade for more details]
39. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (23.02) - [Upgrade for more details]
40. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (23.32) - [Upgrade for more details]
.
.
deep dive
Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD
Total cM=10.82
Largest segment=5.56 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)
.
.
Illyrian / Dalmatia
1200 BC
Total cM=1.66
Largest segment=1.66 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 40)
.................................................. .................................
my father was updated to
Roman + Illyrian (4.913)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gallo-Roman (7.349)
Illyrian (7.471)
Roman (9.665)
..
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
300 BC
Total cM=4.36
Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)
.
Mycenaean
1350 BC
Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)
.
Germano-Celtic Gladiator York
250 AD
Total cM=1.24
Largest segment=1.24 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 18)
my father ( sile ) map below
https://i.postimg.cc/fTBzv9dm/new-premium-map-vic.png (https://postimages.org/)
.
my new map below
https://i.postimg.cc/BvCM84kS/new-premium-map-andy.png (https://postimages.org/)

06-05-19, 00:52
Most of the comments here have focused on European matches. However, my "closest Archaeogenetic match" is to "Colonial American Pennsylvania 1700 AD." That makes sense since many of my family passed through that area in that period, but does anyone know what sample or GEDMatch kit this refers to?

italouruguayan
06-05-19, 04:52
My results at the beginning ....



You have ancient relatives!


Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD
BIM_33
Total cM=47.45
Largest segment=14.55 cM (5 shared)


Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
Total cM=8.56
Largest segment=8.56 cM (1 shared)


Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
Total cM=4.18
Largest segment=4.18 cM (1 shared)



And later....


Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD
BIM_33
Total cM=10.16
Largest segment=3.11 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)


Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 2)



Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
Total cM=0.89
Largest segment=0.89 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)

matty74
06-05-19, 08:21
Small changes here too. I'll take them with a grain of salt:

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
21. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2018/05/30/360.6392.1024.DC1/aar6851_Scheib_SM.pdf)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
23. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
24. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (http://www.zbsa.eu/research/poprad?set_language=en)
25. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
26. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
28. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
33. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
35. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/013433v1)
36. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
39. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
42. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
44. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
49. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
50. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/02/10/013433)
51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.59) - SZ24 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ13 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.92) - I4071
54. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (12.08) - Rise174 Oxie7 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (12.11) - Hinxton3 HS2 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
56. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (12.17) - STR_316 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
57. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (12.45) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
58. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (12.51) - I0806 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/013433v1)
59. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.78) - Rathlin1 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
60. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.78) - SVK-A1 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)

New Update:

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (2 yr old child with unknown parent of high Scandinavian ancestry and CL87-why Pict?)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (child of CL 93-grew up in Collegno)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
4. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
7. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767
8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
9. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
10. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
11. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
12. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981
13. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
14. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
15. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (male-brother to CL 145-nephew to CL93)
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
17. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568
18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (male-brother to CL146-nephew to CL93)
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Sibling to CL 83 and with a parent of high Scandinavian ancestry-other parent unknown)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
24. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
25. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
26. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
27. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367
28. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
29. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
33. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
37. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255
38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
39. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
40. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
41. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
42. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
43. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
44. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
45. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Father of CL92-Not native to Collegno)
46. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471
47. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
48. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
49. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447
50. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
51. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (elderly woman-northern European ancestry)
52. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
53. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512
54. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
56. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
57. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
58. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
59. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
60. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (11.55) - I5382

Info on Lombard burial sites at Collegno & Szolad:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/02/20/268250.DC1/268250-1.pdf

Duarte
06-05-19, 14:11
Small changes here too. I'll take them with a grain of salt:

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
4. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
6. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)
7. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
8. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
10. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
16. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
18. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
19. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
20. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
21. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/suppl/2018/05/30/360.6392.1024.DC1/aar6851_Scheib_SM.pdf)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
23. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
24. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (http://www.zbsa.eu/research/poprad?set_language=en)
25. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
26. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
28. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
30. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
33. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
34. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
35. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/013433v1)
36. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
39. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
42. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
44. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001 (https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(18)30844-3)
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
49. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
50. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/02/10/013433)
51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.59) - SZ24 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ13 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (11.92) - I4071
54. Early Viking Sweden (500 AD) (12.08) - Rise174 Oxie7 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (12.11) - Hinxton3 HS2 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
56. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (12.17) - STR_316 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
57. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (12.45) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
58. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (12.51) - I0806 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/013433v1)
59. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.78) - Rathlin1 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/archaicdna.blogspot.com)
60. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.78) - SVK-A1 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/1028)

New Update:

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (2 yr old child with unknown parent of high Scandinavian ancestry and CL87-why Pict?)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (child of CL 93-grew up in Collegno)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
4. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
7. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767
8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
9. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
10. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
11. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
12. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981
13. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
14. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
15. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (male-brother to CL 145-nephew to CL93)
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
17. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568
18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (male-brother to CL146-nephew to CL93)
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Sibling to CL 83 and with a parent of high Scandinavian ancestry-other parent unknown)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
24. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
25. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
26. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
27. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367
28. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
29. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
33. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
37. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255
38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
39. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
40. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
41. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
42. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
43. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
44. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
45. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Father of CL92-Not native to Collegno)
46. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471
47. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
48. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
49. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447
50. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
51. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (elderly woman-northern European ancestry)
52. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
53. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512
54. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
56. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
57. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
58. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
59. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099
60. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (11.55) - I5382

Info on Lombard burial sites at Collegno & Szolad:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/02/20/268250.DC1/268250-1.pdf

In my case, everything continues practically the same way, at least in the matches that matter most.

https://i.imgur.com/ObfN9AM.png
https://i.imgur.com/vXYgNrP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TcmlnZD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4i0I5Vd.jpg

06-05-19, 22:43
I see that someone identified the "Colonial American Pennsylvania" reference population as a set of European remains found in northeastern Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (Shohola). The only Europeans in that area at the time (in any significant numbers) were the Dutch. As my closest match, that certainly validates this test for me. My Y-DNA ancestors (English) lived in this area c1745-1810 and married into Dutch families who had lived in the area for several generations. This is most likely where their descendants picked up the reference DNA.

Duarte
06-05-19, 23:34
I see that someone identified the "Colonial American Pennsylvania" reference population as a set of European remains found in northeastern Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (Shohola). The only Europeans in that area at the time (in any significant numbers) were the Dutch. As my closest match, that certainly validates this test for me. My Y-DNA ancestors (English) lived in this area c1745-1810 and married into Dutch families who had lived in the area for several generations. This is most likely where their descendants picked up the reference DNA.

The guy below (Peterski) uploaded data with samples from Shohola, Pennsylvania, at Eurogenes K13 e K36 calculators on Gedmatch and got the data below:

Peterski

02-17-2019, 11:11 AM

I uploaded him on GEDmatch thinking it was a Native sample, but the results are European.

Then I checked in Supplementary Figures and the population label is "Colonist", so correct.

Shohola Creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dating 269 ± 26 years ago

Y-DNA haplogroup - I1a-Z73
mtDNA haplogroup - U4c1a

GEDmatch kit number - DD7536671

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.26
2 Atlantic 22.47
3 Baltic 13.93
4 Eastern_Euro 8.83
5 West_Med 6.92
6 West_Asian 4.4
7 East_Med 2.36
8 Amerindian 1.54
9 Red_Sea 0.74
10 Oceanian 0.54

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 3.81
2 Norwegian 3.91
3 North_Dutch 4.67
4 West_Norwegian 5.27
5 Danish 5.92
6 North_German 6.57
7 West_German 7.2
8 North_Swedish 7.75
9 Irish 7.84
10 Orcadian 7.84
11 West_Scottish 7.87
12 Southeast_English 8.01
13 Southwest_English 8.4
14 South_Dutch 9.89
15 East_German 11.81
16 Southwest_Finnish 13.72
17 French 13.89
18 Hungarian 15.16
19 Finnish 16.06
20 Austrian 16.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.7% Swedish + 31.3% West_German @ 2.17
2 83.5% West_Norwegian + 16.5% Romanian @ 2.42
3 85.1% West_Norwegian + 14.9% Bulgarian @ 2.43
4 82.7% Swedish + 17.3% French @ 2.51
5 91.4% Swedish + 8.6% Tuscan @ 2.56
6 90.4% Swedish + 9.6% North_Italian @ 2.59
7 92.4% Swedish + 7.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.61
8 93.4% Swedish + 6.6% South_Italian @ 2.63
9 93.2% Swedish + 6.8% East_Sicilian @ 2.69
10 93.1% Swedish + 6.9% Central_Greek @ 2.69
11 95% Norwegian + 5% Armenian @ 2.7
12 89.4% Swedish + 10.6% Portuguese @ 2.7
13 87.2% West_Norwegian + 12.8% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.7
14 76.7% West_Norwegian + 23.3% Hungarian @ 2.7
15 88.8% Swedish + 11.2% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.71
16 90.1% Swedish + 9.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.71
17 94.1% Swedish + 5.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.73
18 95.1% Norwegian + 4.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 2.73
19 93% Swedish + 7% West_Sicilian @ 2.73
20 92.9% Norwegian + 7.1% Central_Greek @ 2.73

Eurogenes K36:

41057 SNPs used in this evaluation

Population
Amerindian 1.18 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro 7.65 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 9.24 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 6.39 Pct
Fennoscandian 10.90 Pct
French 8.31 Pct
Iberian 2.62 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 10.33 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 21.64 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.98 Pct
North_Sea 17.00 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 2.77 Pct
West_Med -

Similarity Map:

https://i.imgur.com/3CKWSq1.png

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-278474.html

07-05-19, 00:32
Thanks Duarte, very helpful.

Duarte
07-05-19, 00:53
Thanks Duarte, very helpful.

You're welcome shissem :good_job:

Dibran
07-05-19, 19:50
Central Roman 590 AD is my top match, a bit like yours, but not as close.
My 3rd is a Hellenic Roman 670 AD.

http://i.imgur.com/uvtpA0m.jpg


At first look, your Deep-Dive map has many similarities to mine and one of Jovialis.

Idk if its recent or just Central Med type ancestry, but I get 32 "Italian" in K36, and my father 35 percent. On G25 plot I fall pretty much in Bari(I know its not literal) and with Tolan's chromosome maps, most of the chromosomes plot from south to north Italy. I seem to have a slight south-west shift towards Sardinia/Spain.

07-05-19, 22:31
As I noted before, trueancestry.com gives me GEDmatch kit DD7536671 (thanks Duarte) as my number one match, but when I try GEDmatch itself, I get no match, in either the One to Many for DD7536671, nor any shared DNA segments in the One to One.

Duarte
07-05-19, 23:17
As I noted before, trueancestry.com gives me GEDmatch kit DD7536671 (thanks Duarte) as my number one match, but when I try GEDmatch itself, I get no match, in either the One to Many for DD7536671, nor any shared DNA segments in the One to One.

Hi shissem,
The MyTrueAncestry and GEDmatch algorithms are different, or at least the settings of the comparison parameters between samples are different. For example, MyTrueAncestry says that I have match with the I4332 sample and 1 to 1 GEDmatch says I have no match with that sample. Unfortunately the lack of uniformity of the parameters used by the companies of autosomal test to consider what is or not a match are very different, which makes comparisons unfeasible. Just to illustrate, in the upload I made of my raw data MyHeritage to DNA.LAND, the latter says that I am 11% Scandinavian. In the upload I made from my raw data Family Tree DNA - FTDNA to DNA.LAND, the latter already tells me that I am 14% Scandinavian. The truth is that if there is a place which is far away from me, this place is Scandinavia. There is still much to improve on all companies, including the big four on the market.
Big hug and have a nice night.

08-05-19, 01:14
Thanks for the comment/reply. This is my issue with this "science." I understand Y-DNA and mtDNA (it's a straight line descent), but I can't grasp what autosomal DNA is trying to tell me. I get that I'm related to a whole bunch of other lines of descent, but what do I do with that information, and why does every site give me different interpretations of the data? I just trying to understand . . .

Jovialis
09-05-19, 13:14
My results at the beginning ....



You have ancient relatives!


Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD
BIM_33
Total cM=47.45
Largest segment=14.55 cM (5 shared)


Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
Total cM=8.56
Largest segment=8.56 cM (1 shared)


Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
Total cM=4.18
Largest segment=4.18 cM (1 shared)



And later....


Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD
BIM_33
Total cM=10.16
Largest segment=3.11 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)


Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 2)



Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
Total cM=0.89
Largest segment=0.89 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)

Interesting, I remember that sample being of poor quality in the study (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34414-Genetic-Origins-of-Minoans-and-Mycenaeans). Thus, it has the rating of Sample quality:2 on this calculator.

These are the others:

Minoan
2000 BC
I0074
(Sample quality: 22)

Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9041
(Sample quality: 15)

Minoan
2000 BC
I9005
(Sample quality: 14)

Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
(Sample quality: 9)

Minoan
2000 BC
I9129
(Sample quality: 4)

Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
(Sample quality: 2)

Salento
09-05-19, 14:02
Deep Dive: Ancestry, 23 v5, LivDNA, NatGeo H, Combined.

https://i.imgur.com/PDzHWA8.jpg

Jovialis
09-05-19, 18:54
Deep Dive: Ancestry, 23 v5, LivDNA, NatGeo H, Combined.

https://i.imgur.com/PDzHWA8.jpg

Minoan
2000 BC
I0070
(Sample quality: 27)

Minoan
2000 BC
I0074
(Sample quality: 22)

Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9041
(Sample quality: 15)

Minoan
2000 BC
I9005
(Sample quality: 14)

Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
(Sample quality: 9)

Minoan
2000 BC
I9129
(Sample quality: 4)

Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
(Sample quality: 2)

Salento
09-05-19, 20:01
Minoan
2000 BC
I0070
(Sample quality: 27)

Minoan
2000 BC
I0074
(Sample quality: 22)

Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9041
(Sample quality: 15)

Minoan
2000 BC
I9005
(Sample quality: 14)

Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033
(Sample quality: 9)

Minoan
2000 BC
I9129
(Sample quality: 4)

Crete Armenoi
1370 BC
I9123
(Sample quality: 2)




Thanks for info J.

I don't know in this instance, but I read somewhere that Experts use some form of Imputation to fill in the blanks SNPs.

Duarte
10-05-19, 13:47
https://i.imgur.com/LZht6oN.png
https://i.imgur.com/eAMGRGb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bvRXzbt.png
https://i.imgur.com/aLBwLRE.png
https://i.imgur.com/uJ3NdGM.png

Carlos
10-05-19, 14:20
What an interesting Duarte. What is the Chec Property Kit, I also have it on my list.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
3. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
9. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
10. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
11. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
12. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
16. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
17. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2)
18. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
19. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
21. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
22. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
23. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
24. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
25. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
26. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
27. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
28. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
29. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
30. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
31. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
32. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
33. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
34. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
35. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
36. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
37. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
39. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
40. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/12/22/1518445113)
41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
42. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (24.45) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (24.88) - STR_316 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
44. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.02) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) (25.21) - I2566 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
46. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.25) - 6DRIF-21 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
47. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (25.38) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
48. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (25.61) - SZ42 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
49. Bronze Age Hebrides Islands (1350 BC) (25.99) - I2655 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (26.22) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (26.27) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
52. Halstatt (775 BC) (26.32) - DA112 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2)
53. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (26.48) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
54. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (26.5) - I2568 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
55. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (26.62) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
56. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (26.82) - DA119 (http://www.zbsa.eu/research/poprad?set_language=en)
57. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (26.98) - I2981 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
58. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.15) - 6DRIF-3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
59. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (27.34) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
60. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.36) - scy301 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)

Duarte
10-05-19, 15:04
What an interesting Duarte. What is the Chec Property Kit, I also have it on my list.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
3. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
5. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
9. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
10. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
11. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
12. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
16. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
17. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2)
18. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
19. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
21. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
22. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
23. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
24. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
25. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
26. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
27. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
28. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
29. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
30. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
31. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
32. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
33. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
34. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
35. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
36. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
37. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
38. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
39. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
40. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/12/22/1518445113)
41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
42. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (24.45) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (24.88) - STR_316 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
44. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.02) - 6DRIF-23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) (25.21) - I2566 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
46. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (25.25) - 6DRIF-21 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
47. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (25.38) - Hinxton 4 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
48. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (25.61) - SZ42 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
49. Bronze Age Hebrides Islands (1350 BC) (25.99) - I2655 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (26.22) - SZ12 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (26.27) - I5383 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
52. Halstatt (775 BC) (26.32) - DA112 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2)
53. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (26.48) - Hinxton HS3 (https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/ancient-genomes-reveal-english-are-one-third-anglo-saxon)
54. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (26.5) - I2568 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
55. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (26.62) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
56. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (26.82) - DA119 (http://www.zbsa.eu/research/poprad?set_language=en)
57. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (26.98) - I2981 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
58. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (27.15) - 6DRIF-3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
59. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (27.34) - CL92 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
60. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.36) - scy301 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)

Hello Carlos,

About this sample I have this information, including a complete of scientific article of tha "Nature - International Journal of Science", which can be accessed from the Google Drive link I've added below.



Sample Name
Sample Location
GEDMatch
Sex
Y-DNA
Mt-DNA
Approx. Age by authors
My Analysis or Comments


Altai Neanderthal (http://www.y-str.org/2013/08/neanderthal-dna.html)
Denisova Cave, Siberia (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.397581,84.676206&q=51.397581,84.676206&hl=en&t=h&z=14)
F999902
F


50,000 years



Denisova (http://www.y-str.org/2013/08/denisova-dna.html)
Denisova Cave, Siberia (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.397581,84.676206&q=51.397581,84.676206&hl=en&t=h&z=14)
F999903
F


30,000 years



Palaeo-Eskimo (http://www.y-str.org/2013/12/palaeo-eskimo-2000-bc-dna.html)
Qeqertarsuaq, Greenland (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=69.2443252,-53.5440009&q=69.2443252,-53.5440009&hl=en&t=h&z=14)
F999906
M
Q1a
D2a1
4,000 years
Palaeo-Eskimo 2000 BC DNA (http://www.fi.id.au/2013/12/palaeo-eskimo-2000-bc-dna.html)


Clovis-Anzick-1 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/09/clovis-anzick-dna.html)
Montana, North America
F999919
M
Q-Z780
D4h3a
12,500 years
Matches Living people. (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/clovis-anzick-1-dna-match-living-people.html)


Mal’ta (http://www.y-str.org/2014/09/malta-ma-1-dna.html)
South - Central Siberia
F999914
M
R
U
24,000 years
Matches Living people on X Chromosome. (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/malta-ma-1-ancient-dna-have-matches.html)


La Braña-Arintero (http://www.y-str.org/2014/09/la-brana-arintero-dna.html)
León, Spain
F999915
M
C-V183
U5b2c1
7,000 years
Analyzing La Braña-Arintero Ancient DNA (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/09/analyzing-la-brana-arintero-ancient-dna.html)


Motala-12 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/motala-dna.html)
Östergötland, Sweden
F999917
M
I-L460
U2e1
7,000 years
My Analysis of Motala-12 ancient DNA (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/my-analysis-of-motala-12-ancient-dna.html)


LBK (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/linearbandkeramik-lbk-dna.html)
Stuttgart, Germany
F999916
F

T2c2
7,500 years
Matches Living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/linearbandkeramik-lbk-ancient-dna.html)


Loschbour (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/loschbour-dna.html)
Loschbour, Luxembourg
F999918
M
I-L460
U5b1a
8,000 years
Matches Living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/loschbour-ancient-dna-matches-living.html)


Ajvide58 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ajvide58-dna.html)
Sweden
F999924
M
I-CTS772
U4d
5000 years
Ajvide58 DNA Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/ajvide58-dna-analysis.html)


Gökhem2 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/11/gokhem2-ancient-dna.html)
Sweden
F999934
F

H1c
5000 years
Gökhem2 Ancient DNA Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/gokhem2-ancient-dna-analysis.html)


Hinxton-2 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/hinxton-dna.html)
Cambridgshire, UK
F999921
F

H2a2b1
1300 years
Hinxton-2 Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/hinxton-2-analysis.html)


Hinxton-3 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/hinxton-dna.html)
Cambridgshire, UK
F999922
F

K1a4a1a2b
1300 years
Hinxton-3 Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/hinxton-3-analysis.html)


Hinxton-4 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/hinxton-dna.html)
Cambridgshire, UK
F999925
M
R-DF25
H1ag1
2000 years
Hinxton-4 has X-Matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/hinxton-4-has-x-matches-with-living.html)


Hinxton-5 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/hinxton-dna.html)
Cambridgshire, UK
F999926
F

H2a2a1
1300 years
Hinxton5 Ancient DNA Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/hinxton5-ancient-dna-analysis.html)


KO1 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ko1.html)
Tiszaszőlős-Domaháza, Hungary
F999931
M
I-L68
R3
5650-5780 cal BC
Analysis of Neolithic KO1 genome (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/analysis-of-hungarian-neolithic-ko1.html)


NE1 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/11/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ne1.html)
Polgár-Ferenci-hát, Hungary
F999937
F

U5b2c
5070-5310 cal BC
Ancient NE1 Matches living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-ne1-dna.html)


NE5 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ne5.html)
Kompolt - Kigyósér, Hungary
F999927
M
C-F3393
J1c
4990-5210 cal BC
Ancient Hungarian Genome NE5 Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-genome-ne5-analysis.html)


NE6 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/11/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ne6.html)
Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary
F999932
M
C-P255
K1a3a3
4950-5300 cal BC
Analysis of Hungarian genome-NE6 (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/analysis-of-hungarian-neolithic-genome.html)


NE7 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ne7.html)
Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary
F999928
M
I-L1228
N1a
4360-4490 cal BC
Ancient Hungarian genome - NE7 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ne7.html)


CO1 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-copper-age-genome-co1.html)
Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary
F999930
F

H
2700-2900 cal BC
Analysis of Copper age genome CO1 (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/analysis-of-hungarian-copper-age-genome.html)


BR2 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/11/ancient-hungarian-genome-bronze-age-br2.html)
Ludas-Varjú-dűlő, Hungary
F999933
M
J-M67
K1a1a
1110-1270 cal BC
Ancient BR2 matches living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ancient-sample-br2-matches-living-people.html)


IR1 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-iron-age-genome-ir1.html)
Ludas-Varjú-dűlő, Hungary
F999929
M
N-M231
G2a1
830-980 cal BC
Ancient Hungarian genome - IR1 (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/10/ancient-hungarian-neolithic-genome-ir1.html)


Ust'-Ishim (http://www.y-str.org/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna.html)
Ust'-Ishim, Siberia
F999935
M
K-M526
R
45,000 years
Ust'-Ishim matches with living people! (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/ust-ishim-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


Kostenki14 (http://www.y-str.org/2014/11/kostenki14-ancient-dna.html)
European Russia
F999936
M
C-V199
U2
38,700-36,200 years
Kostenki14 Ancient DNA Analysis (http://www.fi.id.au/2014/11/kostenki14-ancient-dna-analysis.html)


RISE00 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Sope, Estonia
F999955
F

H5a1
~2000 years



RISE94 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Viby, Sweden
F999956
M
K-M1221
K1a2a
4025 years
RISE94 has matches with living people


RISE97 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Fredriksberg, Sweden
F999945

CT-Y1580
K2a5
3590 years



RISE98 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
L Beddinge 56, Sweden
F999941
M
R-M405
K1b1a
3736 years
RISE98 has matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2015/06/rise98-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


RISE150 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Przeclawice, Poland
F999948


U5a1b1
3469 years
RISE150 has matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2015/06/rise150-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


RISE174 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Oxie 7, Sweden
F999943


W1
1521 years
RISE174 has matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2015/06/rise174-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


RISE395 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Bol'shekaraganskii, Russia
F999949
F

U2e1
3540 years
RISE395 has matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2015/06/rise395-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


RISE479 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Erd 4, Hungary
F999944
M
I-L1228
T2b
~2000 years



RISE493 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Sabinka 2, Russia
F999950
M
Q-L712
C4a1c
3214 years
RISE493 has matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2015/06/rise493-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


RISE495 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Arban 1, Russia
F999958
M
R-F3105
D4j1




RISE496 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Arban 1, Russia
F999959
F

U5a1a2a
3070 years



RISE497 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Arban 1, Russia
F999957

F-P142
A2f2
~2000 years
RISE497 has matches with living people


RISE499 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Bystrovka, Russia
F999952
F

H5a1
~2000 years



RISE500 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Kytmanovo, Russia
F999947
F

U4d1
~2000 years



RISE502 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Bystrovka, Russia
F999960
F

U5a1d
3140 years



RISE503 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Kytmanovo, Russia
F999961


U2e2
3328 years



RISE504 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Kytmanovo, Russia
F999962
M
J-CTS3732
C4a1d
1208 years



RISE505 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Kytmanovo, Russia
F999953


U4a1b
3391 years
RISE505 has matches with living people (http://www.fi.id.au/2015/06/rise505-ancient-dna-has-matches-with.html)


RISE509 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Bateni, Russia
F999942
F

T2c
4186 years



RISE511 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Bateni, Russia
F999967
F

J2a2a
4224 years



RISE523 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Kapova cave, Russia
F999966


G2a1
3192 years



RISE548 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Temrta IV, Russia
F999968
M
R-L23
U4
~2000 years



RISE552 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Ulan IV, Russia
F999946
M
I-S12195
T2a1a
3940 years
RISE552 has matches with living people


RISE569 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Brandysek, Czech Republic
F999954


H1af2
~2000 years



RISE577 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Velke Prilepy, Czech Republic
F999951


T2b
~2000 years



RISE601 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Verh-Uimon, Russia
F999969
M

M8a1
~2000 years



RISE602 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/101-ancient-eurasian-dna.html)
Sary-Bel, Russia
F999965
M
J-M410
C4
~2000 years



Bot15 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/two-ancient-dna-from-indigenous.html)
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999963
M
C-PH3092
B4a1a1a
~1600 AD



Bot17 (http://www.y-str.org/2015/06/two-ancient-dna-from-indigenous.html)
Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil
F999964
M
C-Z31878
B4a1a1
~1600 AD



Kennewick Man (http://www.y-str.org/2015/07/8300-year-old-ancient-dna-of-kennewick.html)
Kennewick, Washington state, USA
F999970
M
Q-M199
X2a
8358 years




Abstract

From around 2750 to 2500 BC, Bell Beaker pottery became widespread across western and central Europe, before it disappeared between 2200 and 1800 BC. The forces that propelled its expansion are a matter of long-standing debate, and there is support for both cultural diffusion and migration having a role in this process. Here we present genome-wide data from 400 Neolithic, Copper Age and Bronze Age Europeans, including 226 individuals associated with Beaker-complex artefacts. We detected limited genetic affinity between Beaker-complex-associated individuals from Iberia and central Europe, and thus exclude migration as an important mechanism of spread between these two regions. However, migration had a key role in the further dissemination of the Beaker complex. We document this phenomenon most clearly in Britain, where the spread of the Beaker complex introduced high levels of steppe-related ancestry and was associated with the replacement of approximately 90% of Britain’s gene pool within a few hundred years, continuing the east-to-west expansion that had brought steppe-related ancestry into central and northern Europe over the previous centuries.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13Nv1wYr87ZPpA1Au7xWNQ0meDuNdVBwd/view?usp=sharing

Big Hug :good_job:

Lukas
10-05-19, 21:23
Ok Angelas wanted some kits. I don't have time for Longobards yet. But I found some other ancients.

Genesis Gedmatch all


Ancient California Indians

LR7675834 CR-01.SG
YV1789404 CT-01.SG
CC9383654 Ala1.SG
AQ8620407 NC.SG
EV8402843 SC-05.SG
SL2403256 SM-02.SG
CL5983152 SN-13.SG



Hallstatt (Celts?)

Kit Number: LA2887022
Name: DA112 Hallstatt Bylany Celtic 800 BC

Kit Number: RL9361341
Name: DA111 Hallstatt Bylany Celtic 800 BC




Other, mostly Central and Eastern Europe


Kit Number: DP9242486
Name: Sungir6 Early Medieval Russian I2a

Kit Number: AS1343261
Name: RISE569 Early Medieval Czech

Kit Number: PC5800781
Name: Vik_urm160 Sigtuna Viking Age

Kit Number: NJ2572514
Name: Vik_84005 Sigtuna Viking Age


Kit Number: Z831915
Name: I0575 Ancient Sarmatian


Kit Number: DF4610811
Name: RISE1168 Neolithic Malopolska GAC I2a

Kit Number: GX7487389
Name: I1926 Trypillian East Galicia 5kya

Kit Number: ZL8105546
Name: I6561 Ukraine Steppe Sredny Stog R1a

Kit Number: CY2934277
Name: I4251 Malopolska Bell Beaker R1b

Kit Number: LJ7725249
Name: DA119 Spis Slovakia 375 AD R1b-S21

Kit Number: AT4989863
Name: RISE431 Wielkopolska Proto-Unetice R1a

Kit Number: AD9975805
Name: I1819 Mesolithic Ukraine 1st oldest R1a


Kit Number: ZH9512157
Name: I2110 Trypillian East Galicia 5kya

Kit Number: NC1911258
Name: I7196 Bohemia Unetice R1b-U106

Kit Number: XN3376426
Name: I2441 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture I2a



Kit Number: XM9113846
Name: N22 Poland Hunter-Gatherer

Kit Number: LW7326649
Name: N42 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: DK4798535
Name: N49 Ancient Kujawy Corded Ware

Kit Number: RU6912924
Name: N47 Ancient Kujawy Corded Ware

Kit Number: MB7214665
Name: N17 Ancient Kujawy Iwno Culture R1a

Kit Number: UL3000314
Name: N45 Ancient Kujawy Corded Ware

Kit Number: WZ7321602
Name: N44 Ancient Kujawy Corded Ware

Kit Number: BE8733105
Name: I4252 Malopolska Bell Beaker R1b

Kit Number: SL5724347
Name: I4253 Malopolska Bell Beaker R1b

Kit Number: KL2632962
Name: N38 Neolithic Kujawy GAC culture

Kit Number: DD8408872
Name: N36 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: JA8448279
Name: N28 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: YN8057191
Name: N31 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: AR4487061
Name: N27 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: QC4071388
Name: N20 Neolithic Kujawy Funnel Beaker

Kit Number: UC6688588
Name: N18 Neolithic Kujawy Funnel Beaker

Kit Number: LE5504078
Name: N25 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: HF6073275
Name: N26 Neolithic Kujawy Lengyel BKG

Kit Number: GH7550062
Name: N19 Neolithic Kujawy Funnel Beaker

Kit Number: EJ8009458
Name: I2434 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture

Kit Number: FY4781090
Name: I2440 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture I2

Kit Number: EM6884843
Name: I6531 Silesia Bronze Age R1a

Kit Number: PQ9702384
Name: RISE154 Silesia Unetice Culture

Kit Number: MP1030698
Name: I6580 Silesia Bell Beaker R1b

Kit Number: WQ7348984
Name: I6579 Silesia Bronze Age

Kit Number: GS9402267
Name: I6581 Silesia Bell Beaker R1b

Kit Number: GA3235990
Name: I6582 Silesia Bell Beaker

Kit Number: YR2184032
Name: I6534 Silesia Bell Beaker R1b

Kit Number: GB8378550
Name: RISE1 Wielkopolska Corded Ware

Kit Number: LT2714573
Name: RISE145 Wielkopolska Unetice

Kit Number: NG3207778
Name: RISE139 West Pomerania Unetice

Kit Number: PH4421025
Name: Turlojiske5 Ancient Suwalki R1a

Kit Number: XT3725222
Name: Vs-1188 Ancient Suwalki R1a

Kit Number: RN4554211
Name: OxA-5931 Ancient Suwalki

Kit Number: RU3974207
Name: Turlojiske1 Ancient Suwalki R1a



Kit Number: PQ1868516
Name: AV1 Hungary Szolad 540-640 AD

Kit Number: MK9885731
Name: AV2 Hungary Szolad 540-640 AD

Kit Number: YB3597161
Name: Scythian009 Ukraine 800-400 BC

Kit Number: MJ2087885
Name: DA199 Late Medieval Hungary

Kit Number: LP4438020
Name: DA29 European in Kazakhstan 1300 AD

Kit Number: ME7730537
Name: DA171 Lithuania ca. 350-650 AD N1c

Kit Number: LA7253346
Name: I2403 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture I2a

Kit Number: LD8560888
Name: I2433 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture

Kit Number: CK4589849
Name: I2405 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture I2a

Kit Number: QR1128874
Name: I2407 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture I2

Kit Number: XU1078777
Name: I2435 Neolithic Paluki GAC culture I2

Kit Number: DQ8464019
Name: BR2 Hungary Kyjatice Culture 1200 BC

Kit Number: HR6053540
Name: DA191 Hungary Scythian 550 BC

Kit Number: EH4045933
Name: ILK002 Neolithic Podolia GAC I2a

Kit Number: KG4369435
Name: ILK001 Neolithic Podolia GAC I2a

Kit Number: BC5990678
Name: ILK003 Neolithic Podolia GAC

Kit Number: DE6697829
Name: Kivutkalns153 Ancient Inflanty R1a

Kit Number: BT1287316
Name: Kivutkalns164 Ancient Inflanty

Kit Number: ZY6861694
Name: Kivutkalns19 Ancient Inflanty R1a

Kit Number: XY5213069
Name: Kivutkalns207 Ancient Inflanty

Kit Number: JM2215719
Name: Kivutkalns222 Ancient Inflanty R1a

Kit Number: PN6968583
Name: Kivutkalns25 Ancient Inflanty R1a

Kit Number: ZN7418726
Name: Kivutkalns194 Ancient Inflanty R1a

Kit Number: KF6713005
Name: Kivutkalns215 Ancient Inflanty

Kit Number: RB1143990
Name: Kivutkalns42 Ancient Inflanty

Kit Number: MK9912313
Name: Kivutkalns209 Ancient Inflanty R1a

Kit Number: UR3147563
Name: I2111 Trypillian East Galicia G2a

Kit Number: NU7723679
Name: I3151 Trypillian East Galicia E1b

Kit Number: FE3331618
Name: DA136 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: JL8098426
Name: DA141 Ancient Sarmatian Q

Kit Number: LV4759838
Name: DA145 Ancient Sarmatian R

Kit Number: ZN1441642
Name: Chy002 Ancient Sarmatian R1a

Kit Number: FA6708131
Name: DA143 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: XS5668417
Name: Chy001 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: LK6054714
Name: Tem001 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: ZA4730644
Name: Tem003 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: ED8879076
Name: Tem002 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: GA9020947
Name: Cim357 Ancient Kimmerian R1b

Kit Number: QU3092537
Name: DA30 Ancient Sarmatian I2

Kit Number: XD5432322
Name: DA26 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: PG3063442
Name: DA139 Ancient Sarmatian

Kit Number: QX4869454
Name: DA134 Ancient Sarmatian R1a

Kit Number: CQ3796350
Name: DA144 Ancient Sarmatian R1


Kit Number: TV3464920
Name: I5876 Mesolithic Ukraine 2nd oldest R1a

Kit Number: RQ7879774
Name: RISE109 Silesia Unetice Culture

Kit Number: HZ6868325
Name: BR1 Hungary Mako Culture 2100 BC

Lukas
10-05-19, 21:26
Z792075 R I1767 Beaker_Britain
Z886401 R I1770 Beaker_Britain
Z153380 R I2418 Beaker_Britain
Z800113 R I2446 Beaker_Britain
Z760891 R I2443 Beaker_Britain
Z600869 R I2417 Beaker_Britain
Z131879 R I2447 Beaker_Britain
Z450619 R I2450 Beaker_Britain
Z654972 R I2452 Beaker_Britain
Z707403 R I2453 Beaker_Britain
Z347682 R I2459 Beaker_Britain
Z766963 R I2568 Beaker_Britain
Z819290 R I2454 Beaker_Britain
Z557300 R I2565 Beaker_Britain
Z186583 R I2566 Beaker_Britain
Z265493 R I2598 Beaker_Britain
Z018758 R I3255 Beaker_Britain
Z032359 R I5367 Beaker_Britain
Z762603 R I5376 Beaker_Britain
Z843361 R I5379 Beaker_Britain
Z567475 R I5382 Beaker_Britain
Z560295 R I5471 Beaker_Britain
Z586131 R I5513 Beaker_Britain
Z890194 R I5512 Beaker_Britain
Z369442 R I6679 Beaker_Britain
Z690341 R I6774 Beaker_Britain
Z733360 R I6777 Beaker_Britain



Catalonia Visigoths


BA8274765 Visigoth I12031
LK3037074 Visigoth I12034
KH6396435 Visigoth I12163
YK2572384 Visigoth I12162
EA3865424 Visigoth I12032

matty74
10-05-19, 21:51
Some guy on Anthrogenica is claiming that mytrueancestry.com is using his calculator.

BMW
11-05-19, 00:54
How are all of you posting your maps from mytrueancestry.com?
When I try to copy and paste it only shows the url here.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

matty74
11-05-19, 02:32
Use Imgur upload and use the "get share links" function to copy to the page.

Tomenable
11-05-19, 02:53
But I found some other ancients. (...)

Yeah I started a separate thread about those kits when I uploaded them, check:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38341-DNA-of-ancient-inhabitants-of-Poland-and-neighbouring-areas

Tomenable
11-05-19, 03:17
Ok Angelas wanted some kits. I don't have time for Longobards yet. But I found some other ancients.

I already had them processed to a GEDmatch-compatible format before, so I've just uploaded them:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38478-Collegno-Longobards-on-GEDmatch-Genesis - Collegno Longobards thread

Salento
11-05-19, 09:47
SZ36 - T1a1... Italy, Iberia
CL23 - T1a2... Southern Europe

It’s interesting that SZ36 (Central Roman) is a Y T, and is my 1st match in a couple of my RawD.
CL23 (Medieval Iberian) also a Y T, is lower.

It’s interesting because there aren't many of us, or y Ts in general, when compared to other haplogroups.

https://i.imgur.com/gaH3KMI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ugqToNL.jpg

Angela
11-05-19, 17:41
@MLukas,

I just got a warning when I tried to copy paste your list of samples. It says there are things on it which can link to other sites and get information.

torzio
11-05-19, 19:17
1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) - SZ28
2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) - CL23
3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (8.971) - I3313
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) - SZ36
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) - CL36

Lukas
11-05-19, 19:25
@MLukas,

I just got a warning when I tried to copy paste your list of samples. It says there are things on it which can link to other sites and get information.

I see there were links to Gedmatch one-to-many copied too. Sorry didn't notice that.

I edited now those posts and should be fixed.

Salento
11-05-19, 19:57
1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) - SZ28
2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) - CL23
3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (8.971) - I3313
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) - SZ36
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) - CL36

CL23 (T1a2...) autosomal is closer to Bergamo, and SZ36 (T1a1...) to Tuscany.
(... from another site).

Angela
11-05-19, 21:00
CL23 (T1a2...) autosomal is closer to Bergamo, and SZ36 (T1a1...) to Tuscany.
(... from another site).

I'm at 3.6 to a Central Roman 590 AD but I don't know if that's the one.

If the price comes down maybe I'll order it.

BMW
11-05-19, 22:39
https://i.imgur.com/gWFrgQy.png

BMW
11-05-19, 22:48
"Use Imgur upload and use the "get share links" function to copy to the page."

Thank you, matty74, for your post that explained how I can post my graphics for others to see!

I am a T-CTS11984. Positive for CTS8489 but negative for CTS8862.

BMW
11-05-19, 23:03
My closest Archaeogenetic matches from mytrueancestry.com:

1. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (3.849) - CL146
2. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (4.798) - 6DRIF-18
3. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (5.7) - Hinxton HS1
4. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (6.118) - NW_255
5. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (6.156) - CL145
6. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (6.209) - Hinxton3 HS2
7. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (6.476) - Hinxton 1
8. Pict (670 AD) (6.683) - CL83
9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.897) - SZ15
10. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (6.944) - SZ9
11. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (7.313) - Rathlin2
12. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.399) - CL93
13. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.879) - CL84
14. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.881) - I2568
15. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (8.26) - I3255
16. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (8.698) - I4071
17. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (8.699) - I2452
18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.716) - CL151
19. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (9.484) - DA119
20. Fennoscandia Finland (550 AD) (9.496) - JK2065
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (9.523) - CL92
22. Anglo Saxon Northumbria (780 AD) (9.609) - Teesside N03423
23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.671) - SZ4
24. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (9.675) - scy303
25. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (9.842) - I5383
26. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (9.987) - I3875
27. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (10.04) - Sigtuna grt035
28. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (10.31) - I5367
29. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (10.33) - I2981
30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (10.36) - Sigtuna 84001
31. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (2100 BC) (10.66) - Rise71
32. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.71) - I2447
33. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (10.74) - I0099
34. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (10.87) - SZ7
35. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (10.95) - Unknown
36. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (11.12) - Shohola
37. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (11.15) - Rise61
38. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.29) - I5513
39. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.32) - Sigtuna stg021
40. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.34) - Rise150
41. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (11.36) - VDP-A6
42. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (11.84) - AED_249
43. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.85) - Rathlin3
44. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.85) - SZ8
45. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (11.9) - SZ16
46. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (11.96) - I1767
47. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (12.03) - ALH_1
48. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (12.04) - SZ13
49. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (12.24) - 6DRIF-3
50. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (12.32) - Hinxton 4
51. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (12.41) - SZ12
52. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (12.95) - Sigtuna stg026
53. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (13.0) - ALH_10
54. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (13.13) - Hinxton HS3
55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (13.21) - SZ2
56. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (13.57) - SZ23
57. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (13.61) - 6DRIF-23
58. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (13.72) - SZ11
59. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (13.74) - I5382
60. Pre-Viking Sweden (500 AD) (13.88) - Rise174 Oxie7

Duarte
11-05-19, 23:45
https://i.imgur.com/z11pgs0.png
https://i.imgur.com/K2hi411.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8dPuB0W.jpg

BMW
11-05-19, 23:59
Y-DNA: T-CTS11984
MtDNA: U6a1a

I was expecting more results on both sides of the Mediterranean considering my paternal haplogroup T.
Anybody have any thoughts?

https://i.imgur.com/Q59jmsN.png

Salento
12-05-19, 00:33
My Ancestral Timeline:

https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

voloh
12-05-19, 00:36
what do we know about these Illyrian, Scythian, Thracian samples? haplogroups? are they on gedmatch?
11024

Carlos
12-05-19, 00:48
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dixaUk3UH_s/XNdXacWRYCI/AAAAAAAAAoA/ZrAsoIsVDOkHXthxSGwaMKuwW12ToUC1QCLcBGAs/s1600/ancestraltimelinebisBIS2.jpg
I am very excited.

Salento
12-05-19, 01:26
Y-DNA: T-CTS11984
MtDNA: U6a1a

I was expecting more results on both sides of the Mediterranean considering my paternal haplogroup T.
Anybody have any thoughts?

https://i.imgur.com/Q59jmsN.png

Haplogroups don’t necessarily reflect Ancestry.

You and I are both part of the y T1a2 line, but at some point in time our Ancestors split, yours went North, and mine went South.

BMW
12-05-19, 01:47
Hi Salento,

It appears our Ancestors split pretty early on if mytrueancestry.com is not able to show any trace of me any further south than Nordic Lombard (670 AD) or Scythian Moldova (290 BC). I wonder what period of time that would work out to be?

I'm trying to post my Timeline....it's being a bit difficult at the moment.

Salento
12-05-19, 01:47
@Carlos
the Gallo-Roman looks like Trump! LOL

BMW
12-05-19, 02:07
Make Gallo-Romans great again!

BMW
12-05-19, 02:19
https://i.imgur.com/8metfC9.png

Salento
12-05-19, 02:24
Make Gallo-Romans great again!
#MAGA (Make Apulia Great Again) LOL

http://ontheworldmap.com/italy/region/apulia/apulia-location-on-the-italy-map-min.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

BMW
12-05-19, 03:15
Good one!
I think you apulia'd one out of the hat there.

Lukas
12-05-19, 11:08
Szolad samples uploaded form original paper, not Reich. Without few with worst quality.

Gedmatch Genesis

TW1339574 SZ1
JX9402150 SZ2
AF6324543 SZ3
AY4758022 SZ4
JT9883101 SZ5
SR6461318 SZ7
PX2018050 SZ9
BS9754769 SZ11
KX4875733 SZ12
KS5540446 SZ13
SJ6843693 SZ14
SR5602819 SZ15
XP7247003 SZ16
DQ1906339 SZ18 "Germanic-Italian"
FP6525406 SZ19 "Italian"
KT4518191 SZ22
QC5276535 SZ23
HY3447853 SZ24
ZN8288918 SZ28 "Ibero-Italian"
HP5016938 SZ30
FA7616975 SZ32 "Ibero-Italian"
ER1407909 SZ36 "Ibero-Italian"
FM1272167 SZ37 mainly "Italian"
GU1117985 SZ38
TQ5785135 SZ40 "Italian"
MF3790438 SZ42
BG1657521 SZ43 "Ibero-Italian"
PB4779252 SZ45 "Germanic-Italian_Iberian"

https://i.postimg.cc/PqRNcC2M/41467-2018-6024-Fig3-HTML.jpg

Carlos
12-05-19, 13:04
[[email protected]
the Gallo-Roman looks like Trump! LOL [/ CITA]

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7uWUZkwlKvg/XNf9ZAb5VXI/AAAAAAAAAoM/iBF646WVBzopbP5kUdioO49xbSP2mQohACLcBGAs/w945-h600-p-k-no-nu/trumpblak.jpg

Dibran
12-05-19, 16:18
Me:


https://i.postimg.cc/rpnvQ973/DB37-B717-7-FBD-485-E-9-EBB-7-BDEB3-E4-E365.jpg


Albanian friend from Kosova:


https://i.postimg.cc/W1DrdpTZ/B2-E4-F19-B-2-B7-D-480-F-BF23-FF596-A265-E3-E.jpg

Stuvanè
12-05-19, 16:27
In the timeline the difference between the red and the blue segments is not entirely clear to me

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/59932782_290876335188438_8819389367203135488_n.png ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=7b181ecca6725397b4336f4b8bf7989d&oe=5D53ED7E

Duarte
12-05-19, 17:06
The Dying Gaul (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dying_Gaul), a Roman copy of a Greek statue commemorating the victory over the Galatians:
https://i.imgur.com/qIIhb40.jpg

See:
Gallic invasion of Balkans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallic_invasion_of_Balkans)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe

Salento
12-05-19, 17:07
Edit
:) ... ‘coz of Topic: :grin:

Ancestral Timeline
https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

Angela
12-05-19, 18:14
Szolad samples uploaded form original paper, not Reich. Without few with worst quality.

Gedmatch Genesis

TW1339574 SZ1
JX9402150 SZ2
AF6324543 SZ3
AY4758022 SZ4
JT9883101 SZ5
SR6461318 SZ7
PX2018050 SZ9
BS9754769 SZ11
KX4875733 SZ12
KS5540446 SZ13
SJ6843693 SZ14
SR5602819 SZ15
XP7247003 SZ16
DQ1906339 SZ18 "Germanic-Italian"
FP6525406 SZ19 "Italian"
KT4518191 SZ22
QC5276535 SZ23
HY3447853 SZ24
ZN8288918 SZ28 "Ibero-Italian"
HP5016938 SZ30
FA7616975 SZ32 "Ibero-Italian"
ER1407909 SZ36 "Ibero-Italian"
FM1272167 SZ37 mainly "Italian"
GU1117985 SZ38
TQ5785135 SZ40 "Italian"
MF3790438 SZ42
BG1657521 SZ43 "Ibero-Italian"
PB4779252 SZ45 "Germanic-Italian_Iberian"

https://i.postimg.cc/PqRNcC2M/41467-2018-6024-Fig3-HTML.jpg

Thank you very much, mlukas. Nice Mother's Day gift. :)

Tomenable
12-05-19, 19:51
Szolad samples uploaded from original paper, not Reich.

I added all of the Szolad samples too, but from this Reich's newly published dataset:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38478-Collegno-Longobards-on-GEDmatch-Genesis?p=575514&viewfull=1#post575514

Which ones are better? Hard to say. For example let's compare SZ18:

Original 2018 paper - kit DQ1906339 - 111823 SNPs in Eurogenes K15 calc
Reich's 2019 version - kit GP9641645 - 114640 SNPs in Eurogenes K15 calc

(but admittedly, SZ1 for example has slightly more SNPs with the original version)

Maybe later I will merge raw datas for each sample from both versions and re-upload.

torzio
12-05-19, 20:36
In the timeline, one should look at the more exacting blue lines as noted by the site

Lukas
12-05-19, 21:25
BTW there is free alternative to MTA:)
In Admixturestudio
http://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/
there is added K36 Ancient oracle (also with Szolad and Collegno samples). Just check it out...

Lukas
12-05-19, 21:28
I added all of the Szolad samples too, but from this Reich's newly published dataset:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38478-Collegno-Longobards-on-GEDmatch-Genesis?p=575514&viewfull=1#post575514

Which ones are better? Hard to say. For example let's compare SZ18:

Original 2018 paper - kit DQ1906339 - 111823 SNPs in Eurogenes K15 calc
Reich's 2019 version - kit GP9641645 - 114640 SNPs in Eurogenes K15 calc

(but admittedly, SZ1 for example has slightly more SNPs with the original version)

Maybe later I will merge raw datas for each sample from both versions and re-upload.

Also in K36 for example component results could vary for few percent even (depends on sample). I prefer original version then.

Reich probably affected all samples to be compatible with his huge dataset.

Salento
13-05-19, 00:09
Eurog. K36 Ancient

Least-squares method
Using 1 populations approximation

1 100% SZ40_Italian @ 13.247
2 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 13.259
3 100% CL31_Greek_Balkan @ 15.568
4 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 15.617
5 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 15.618
6 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 16.317
7 100% CL36_northItalian @ 16.403
8 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.600
9 100% CL121__northItalian @ 17.810
10 100% N_Bar31_Anatolia @ 17.810

https://i.imgur.com/1rZptfv.jpg


My true Anc.

https://i.imgur.com/gaH3KMI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ugqToNL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg

Duarte
13-05-19, 02:47
Thank you Mr. mlukas. You are a gentleman :)

https://i.imgur.com/rkqGlcV.png
https://i.imgur.com/IBaCyQA.png
https://i.imgur.com/WtGM6Xc.png
https://i.imgur.com/z11pgs0.png
https://i.imgur.com/vXYgNrP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TcmlnZD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4i0I5Vd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XnQ1ziO.png

Jovialis
13-05-19, 05:01
Szolad samples uploaded form original paper, not Reich. Without few with worst quality.

Gedmatch Genesis

TW1339574 SZ1
JX9402150 SZ2
AF6324543 SZ3
AY4758022 SZ4
JT9883101 SZ5
SR6461318 SZ7
PX2018050 SZ9
BS9754769 SZ11
KX4875733 SZ12
KS5540446 SZ13
SJ6843693 SZ14
SR5602819 SZ15
XP7247003 SZ16
DQ1906339 SZ18 "Germanic-Italian"
FP6525406 SZ19 "Italian"
KT4518191 SZ22
QC5276535 SZ23
HY3447853 SZ24
ZN8288918 SZ28 "Ibero-Italian"
HP5016938 SZ30
FA7616975 SZ32 "Ibero-Italian"
ER1407909 SZ36 "Ibero-Italian"
FM1272167 SZ37 mainly "Italian"
GU1117985 SZ38
TQ5785135 SZ40 "Italian"
MF3790438 SZ42
BG1657521 SZ43 "Ibero-Italian"
PB4779252 SZ45 "Germanic-Italian_Iberian"

https://i.postimg.cc/PqRNcC2M/41467-2018-6024-Fig3-HTML.jpg

Thanks for this!

I noticed SZ40, which is my closest match in the MyTrueAncestry calculator; is indeed quite similar to me according to GEDmatch results.

Example: Dodecad K12B


SZ40 TQ5785135

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
Caucasus
34.52


2
Atlantic_Med
33.30


3
North_European
12.45


4
Southwest_Asian
10.76


5
Gedrosia
6.15


6
Northwest_African
2.32




Finished reading population data. 223 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 S_Italian_Sicilian_Dodecad @ 4.494879
2 Sicilian_Dodecad @ 4.767128
3 C_Italian_Dodecad @ 6.004823
4 Tuscan_HGDP @ 9.828873
5 Ashkenazi_Dodecad @ 10.126924



My Gedmatch Superkit:




#
Population
Percent


1
Caucasus
32.64


2
Atlantic_Med
28.61


3
North_European
16.78


4
Southwest_Asian
10.13


5
Gedrosia
8.21


6
Northwest_African
3.49


7
Southeast_Asian
0.11


8
East_Asian
0.03



Single Population Sharing:



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
C_Italian (Dodecad)
6.84


2
S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)
6.84


3
Sicilian (Dodecad)
6.99


4
Greek (Dodecad)
7.44


5
O_Italian (Dodecad)
8.35

Jovialis
13-05-19, 07:48
BTW there is free alternative to MTA:)
In Admixturestudio
http://dnagenics.com/admixture-studio/
there is added K36 Ancient oracle (also with Szolad and Collegno samples). Just check it out...

Great find, I like DNAkit studio too. I haven't delved into the Admixturestudio yet.

Jovialis
13-05-19, 08:12
Below are my eurogenes K36 Ancient results.


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


--------------------------------




Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 75284 ms
1 52.54% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 47.46% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.690
2 50.20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.720
3 60.74% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 39.26% CL36_northItalian @ 6.226
4 68.55% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 31.45% BA_I9041_Mycenaean @ 6.552
5 74.41% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25.59% CL94_Iberian @ 6.604
6 65.43% CL121__northItalian + 34.57% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 @ 6.687
7 76.37% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.63% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy @ 6.703
8 78.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.29% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 6.713
9 50.20% CL36_northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.747
10 53.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 46.29% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.752
11 77.54% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.46% BA_Hungary_RISE247 @ 6.754
12 50.20% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.813
13 75.98% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 24.02% BA_Hungary_RISE483 @ 6.844
14 55.66% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 44.34% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 7.140
15 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1665 @ 7.187
16 61.13% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 38.87% SZ40_Italian @ 7.195
17 50.20% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.267
18 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1674 @ 7.290
19 67.38% CL121__northItalian + 32.62% EN_Anatolia_Tep003 @ 7.335
20 77.54% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 22.46% MBA_Armenia_RISE423 @ 7.377
21 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1662 @ 7.389
22 81.45% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.55% MN_Germany_I0807 @ 7.433
23 63.87% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 36.13% SZ36_northItalian @ 7.484
24 54.49% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 45.51% CL121__northItalian @ 7.495
25 83.40% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 16.60% N_Germany_I0048 @ 7.497
26 74.41% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25.59% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 7.539
27 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.552
28 50.20% SZ40_Italian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.631
29 79.49% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.51% IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 @ 7.653
30 77.93% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.07% BA_Hungary_RISE480 @ 7.720
31 75.59% CL121__northItalian + 24.41% BA_I0070_Minoan @ 7.793
32 78.32% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.68% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7.837
33 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% i3757_Celtiberian_IA @ 7.849
34 82.23% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 17.77% N_Hungary_NE7 @ 7.856
35 65.43% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 34.57% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 7.952
36 80.66% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 19.34% MN_Germany_I0560 @ 7.955
37 78.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.29% N_Sweden_Gokhem5 @ 8.012
38 73.24% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 26.76% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 8.019
39 73.63% CL121__northItalian + 26.37% N_Levant__AinGhazal3 @ 8.022
40 82.62% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 17.38% N_Hungary_CO1 @ 8.045


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.394
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.345
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.776
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.825
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.551
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.554
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.593
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.918
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.719
10 100% EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 @ 16.948
New populations: 98


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.716
2 50% CL36_northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.729
3 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.807
4 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.259
5 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.547
6 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ40_Italian @ 7.617
7 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 8.101
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.178
9 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 8.189
10 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL36_northItalian @ 8.199


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.480
2 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.680
3 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.815
4 33% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.336
5 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.849
6 33% BA_I9033_Mycenaean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.854
7 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.863
8 33% CL36_northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.917
9 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 5.965
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 6.020


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.447
2 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.656
3 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.672
4 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.683
5 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.693
6 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.699
7 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.758
8 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.790
9 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.812
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 4.973

Jovialis
13-05-19, 13:53
Below are my eurogenes K36 Ancient results.


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


--------------------------------




Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 75284 ms
1 52.54% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 47.46% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.690
2 50.20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.720
3 60.74% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 39.26% CL36_northItalian @ 6.226
4 68.55% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 31.45% BA_I9041_Mycenaean @ 6.552
5 74.41% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25.59% CL94_Iberian @ 6.604
6 65.43% CL121__northItalian + 34.57% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 @ 6.687
7 76.37% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.63% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy @ 6.703
8 78.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.29% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 6.713
9 50.20% CL36_northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.747
10 53.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 46.29% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.752
11 77.54% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.46% BA_Hungary_RISE247 @ 6.754
12 50.20% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.813
13 75.98% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 24.02% BA_Hungary_RISE483 @ 6.844
14 55.66% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 44.34% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 7.140
15 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1665 @ 7.187
16 61.13% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 38.87% SZ40_Italian @ 7.195
17 50.20% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.267
18 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1674 @ 7.290
19 67.38% CL121__northItalian + 32.62% EN_Anatolia_Tep003 @ 7.335
20 77.54% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 22.46% MBA_Armenia_RISE423 @ 7.377
21 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1662 @ 7.389
22 81.45% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.55% MN_Germany_I0807 @ 7.433
23 63.87% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 36.13% SZ36_northItalian @ 7.484
24 54.49% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 45.51% CL121__northItalian @ 7.495
25 83.40% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 16.60% N_Germany_I0048 @ 7.497
26 74.41% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25.59% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 7.539
27 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.552
28 50.20% SZ40_Italian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.631
29 79.49% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.51% IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 @ 7.653
30 77.93% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.07% BA_Hungary_RISE480 @ 7.720
31 75.59% CL121__northItalian + 24.41% BA_I0070_Minoan @ 7.793
32 78.32% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.68% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7.837
33 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% i3757_Celtiberian_IA @ 7.849
34 82.23% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 17.77% N_Hungary_NE7 @ 7.856
35 65.43% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 34.57% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 7.952
36 80.66% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 19.34% MN_Germany_I0560 @ 7.955
37 78.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.29% N_Sweden_Gokhem5 @ 8.012
38 73.24% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 26.76% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 8.019
39 73.63% CL121__northItalian + 26.37% N_Levant__AinGhazal3 @ 8.022
40 82.62% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 17.38% N_Hungary_CO1 @ 8.045


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.394
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.345
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.776
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.825
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.551
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.554
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.593
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.918
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.719
10 100% EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 @ 16.948
New populations: 98


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.716
2 50% CL36_northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.729
3 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.807
4 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.259
5 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.547
6 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ40_Italian @ 7.617
7 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 8.101
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.178
9 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 8.189
10 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL36_northItalian @ 8.199


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.480
2 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.680
3 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.815
4 33% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.336
5 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.849
6 33% BA_I9033_Mycenaean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.854
7 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.863
8 33% CL36_northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.917
9 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 5.965
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 6.020


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.447
2 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.656
3 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.672
4 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.683
5 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.693
6 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.699
7 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.758
8 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.790
9 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.812
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 4.973

Here is my results for the same raw data superkit on Mytrueancesty:

1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.398) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.2) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.32) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (11.95) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.44) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.61) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.13) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.42) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.48) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.09) - I9006 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
11. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.3) - Ker1
12. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.3) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
13. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (15.89) - I0184
14. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (15.93) - MA2208 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
15. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.94) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
16. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.52) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
17. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.72) - I9010 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
18. Minoan (2000 BC) (18.66) - I9129 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
19. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (19.28) - MA2206 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
20. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (19.85) - I4930
21. Minoan (2000 BC) (20.93) - I9005 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
22. Hittite Anatolia (1675 BC) (20.98) - MA2200 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
23. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (21.12) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
24. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.79) - I0071 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
25. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.61) - I0070 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
26. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (23.62) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
27. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (23.62) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
28. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (23.64) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
29. Minoan (2000 BC) (24.02) - I0074 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
30. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (24.31) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
31. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (24.32) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
32. Minoan (2000 BC) (24.34) - I9130 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
33. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) (25.41) - I1631
34. Samaritan (2000 AD) (25.66) - Unknown
35. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.09) - I0073 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
36. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.31) - I9131 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
37. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.43) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
38. Canaanite (1600 BC) (26.94) - ERS1790730 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
39. Ottoman (1500 AD) (27.03) - MA2196
40. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (27.27) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
41. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (28.24) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
42. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (28.24) - Vim2
43. Canaanite (1600 BC) (28.27) - ERS1790729 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
44. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (28.58) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
45. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (29.22) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
46. Canaanite (1600 BC) (29.46) - ERS1790732 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
47. Canaanite (1650 BC) (29.8) - ERS1790733 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
48. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (30.19) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
49. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (30.48) - DA199
50. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (30.6) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Egyptian Gladiator York (250 AD) (30.62) - 3DRIF-26 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
52. Trypillia (3500 BC) (30.68) - I1926
53. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (30.95) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (31.24) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
55. Medieval Iran (1450 AD) (31.58) - I1955
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (31.73) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
57. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (32.25) - JK2134 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)
58. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (32.53) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
59. Neolithic Greece (4000 BC) (32.59) - Klei10 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2015/11/25/032763)
60. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (32.61) - JK2911 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)

Jovialis
13-05-19, 15:18
Below are my eurogenes K36 Ancient results.


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


--------------------------------




Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 75284 ms
1 52.54% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 47.46% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.690
2 50.20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.720
3 60.74% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 39.26% CL36_northItalian @ 6.226
4 68.55% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 31.45% BA_I9041_Mycenaean @ 6.552
5 74.41% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25.59% CL94_Iberian @ 6.604
6 65.43% CL121__northItalian + 34.57% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 @ 6.687
7 76.37% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.63% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy @ 6.703
8 78.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.29% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 6.713
9 50.20% CL36_northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.747
10 53.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 46.29% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.752
11 77.54% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.46% BA_Hungary_RISE247 @ 6.754
12 50.20% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.813
13 75.98% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 24.02% BA_Hungary_RISE483 @ 6.844
14 55.66% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 44.34% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 7.140
15 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1665 @ 7.187
16 61.13% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 38.87% SZ40_Italian @ 7.195
17 50.20% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.267
18 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1674 @ 7.290
19 67.38% CL121__northItalian + 32.62% EN_Anatolia_Tep003 @ 7.335
20 77.54% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 22.46% MBA_Armenia_RISE423 @ 7.377
21 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1662 @ 7.389
22 81.45% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.55% MN_Germany_I0807 @ 7.433
23 63.87% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 36.13% SZ36_northItalian @ 7.484
24 54.49% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 45.51% CL121__northItalian @ 7.495
25 83.40% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 16.60% N_Germany_I0048 @ 7.497
26 74.41% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25.59% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 7.539
27 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.552
28 50.20% SZ40_Italian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.631
29 79.49% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.51% IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 @ 7.653
30 77.93% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.07% BA_Hungary_RISE480 @ 7.720
31 75.59% CL121__northItalian + 24.41% BA_I0070_Minoan @ 7.793
32 78.32% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.68% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7.837
33 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% i3757_Celtiberian_IA @ 7.849
34 82.23% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 17.77% N_Hungary_NE7 @ 7.856
35 65.43% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 34.57% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 7.952
36 80.66% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 19.34% MN_Germany_I0560 @ 7.955
37 78.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.29% N_Sweden_Gokhem5 @ 8.012
38 73.24% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 26.76% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 8.019
39 73.63% CL121__northItalian + 26.37% N_Levant__AinGhazal3 @ 8.022
40 82.62% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 17.38% N_Hungary_CO1 @ 8.045


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.394
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.345
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.776
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.825
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.551
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.554
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.593
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.918
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.719
10 100% EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 @ 16.948
New populations: 98


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.716
2 50% CL36_northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.729
3 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.807
4 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.259
5 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.547
6 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ40_Italian @ 7.617
7 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 8.101
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.178
9 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 8.189
10 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL36_northItalian @ 8.199


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.480
2 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.680
3 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.815
4 33% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.336
5 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.849
6 33% BA_I9033_Mycenaean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.854
7 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.863
8 33% CL36_northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.917
9 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 5.965
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 6.020


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.447
2 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.656
3 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.672
4 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.683
5 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.693
6 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.699
7 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.758
8 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.790
9 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.812
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 4.973

The raw data file was also created with their companion software, DNAkit studio. It is a combination of 23andme, AncestryDNA, Living DNA, and Helix Geno 2.0. It was made in DIYDodecad format, which is what the Admixturestudio kit converts the file to. So I guess that would give it optimal compatibility. This is the results for it in AncestryDNA format, on MyTrueAncestry:

https://i.imgur.com/qvnzDEo.png

I believe since this file has the most SNPs, it is the most legitimate representation. Living DNA may yield more results, but it is done, with genotyped information, on the least amount of SNPs. I read on a whole genome sequencing service, that there may still be some non-matching SNPs with raw data from a whole seqeunced genome, and a genotyped file from another consumer genomics service. The reason is because the lack of information in the file falsely assigns some results. My guess is that it is being overwriten with more fleshed out information, with the superkit. Because even when I compare the superkit to another raw data file that is baked into the superkit, there are non-matching SNPs. That means to me, that they're being changed.

Salento
13-05-19, 15:24
MyTrueAnc. vs Eurog. K36 Ancient
Top 10 (combined)

MyTrueAnc.
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (9.628) - SZ40
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.64) - SZ36
3. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (13.23) - CL38
4. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (13.28) - CL121
5. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (13.59) - CL30
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.64) - SZ19
7. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (14.71) - CL25
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.11) - I9041
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.3) - SZ43
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.32) - SZ32

Eurog. K36 Ancient
1 100% SZ40_Italian @ 13.247
2 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 13.259
3 100% CL31_Greek_Balkan @ 15.568
4 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 15.617
5 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 15.618
6 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 16.317
7 100% CL36_northItalian @ 16.403
8 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.600
9 100% CL121__northItalian @ 17.810
10 100% N_Bar31_Anatolia @ 17.810

~~~~~~~~~~~

https://i.imgur.com/moTt3zU.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/1rZptfv.jpg

Jovialis
13-05-19, 16:12
I just uploaded the same Superkit in AncestryDNA format made with DNAkit studio to AdmixtureStudio. It produces the same results the one in DIYDodcad format. Thus the original format has no bearing on the results for Admixture Studio. They all get changed to the same DIYDodcad format before processing anyway.

Salento
13-05-19, 16:39
@Jovialis
Notice how our Ancestral Timeline stop at 670 AD, unlike many others where the timeline goes on.

I guess we haven't changed much since 670 AD :)

Jovialis
13-05-19, 17:21
@Jovialis
Notice how our Ancestral Timeline stop at 670 AD, unlike many others where the timeline goes on.

I guess we haven't changed much since 670 AD :)

I think so, we would be somewhere slightly between "south" of SZ40 and "north" of CL38. Moreover, these are people found geographically far from Puglia, in other parts of the Roman Empire.

https://i.imgur.com/eRUqqww.png

BMW
13-05-19, 17:22
Salento,

This shows my Mediterranean and Asian results that mytrueancestry.com did not.

Southwest Asian admixtures

BMW
13-05-19, 17:24
2nd time is the charm...

https://i.imgur.com/uDHsfGI.gif

Jovialis
13-05-19, 18:13
2nd time is the charm...
https://i.imgur.com/uDHsfGI.gif
What is your ancestry? I would compare results to the spreadsheet that different groups get. As for the compoments, they're pretty meaningless in trying to determine that it confirms south and west asian, unless it is radically out of the norm for your known ancestrial groups. Futhermore, theres tons of overlap from Anatolian farmers and iranian like admixuture, (40 % of which is found in yamnaya.) Much of it subsumed in these dubiously broad components.

BMW
13-05-19, 18:26
Jovialis,

My ancestry is Irish on both sides.

Jovialis
13-05-19, 18:35
Jovialis,
My ancestry is Irish on both sides.
Then I would be confident to say your connection to the middle east is very ancient. There's lots of overlap with source populations. GEDmatch can be confusing. At any rate I find the single population approximations with close distance, that you can cooraborate with your known ancestry, to be useful.

BMW
13-05-19, 18:39
Jovialis,

A little background on why I made that post:
My Y-DNA haplogroup is T and was a bit surprised that mytrueancestry.com did not show anything for me on either immediate side of the Mediterranean.
Dodecad V3 showed what I thought my paternal haplogroup's contribution would show in the overall scheme of things.

Jovialis
13-05-19, 18:42
Jovialis,

A little background on why I made that post:
My Y-DNA haplogroup is T and was a bit surprised that mytrueancestry.com did not show anything for me on either immediate side of the Mediterranean.
Dodecad V3 showed what I thought my paternal haplogroup's contribution would show in the overall scheme of things.

Perhaps it is from the Neolthic or Bronze-age, if I were to guess.

BMW
13-05-19, 19:11
This is probably something along the lines you were suggesting, Jovialis.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 3.37
2 Irish 3.96
3 Orcadian 5.4
4 Southwest_English 5.67
5 North_Dutch 6.55
6 Danish 7.04
7 Southeast_English 7.21
8 Norwegian 7.44
9 North_German 9.19
10 Swedish 10.37
11 South_Dutch 11.88
12 West_German 13.19
13 French 16.47
14 North_Swedish 16.63
15 Austrian 18.65
16 East_German 18.91
17 Spanish_Cataluna 23.08
18 Hungarian 23.22
19 Southwest_French 23.85
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 24.04

BMW
13-05-19, 19:13
"Perhaps it is from the Neolthic or Bronze-age, if I were to guess."
I agree with you.

BMW
13-05-19, 19:23
Jovialis,

I have considered this quote from Eupedia as a possibility:

"Autosomal DNA tests have also identified unusually high percentages of Southwest Asian admixtures among the Finns (1 to 2.5%) and Lithuanians (1.5%), who otherwise lack West Asian or Caucasian admixture and possess hardly any Middle Eastern Y-DNA. This Southwest Asian admixture could be the trace of T lineages absorbed during the Neolithic".

torzio
13-05-19, 19:55
"Perhaps it is from the Neolthic or Bronze-age, if I were to guess."
I agree with you.

T hunters lived in north germany in the neolithic times

torzio
13-05-19, 20:02
my timeline

https://i.postimg.cc/xCQzKyCw/vic-timeline.png (https://postimages.org/)

BMW
13-05-19, 20:12
Thanks, torzio.

Here is my timeline.

https://i.imgur.com/o2ygU34.png

Jovialis
13-05-19, 20:58
This is probably something along the lines you were suggesting, Jovialis.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Single Population Sharing:


# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 3.37
2 Irish 3.96
3 Orcadian 5.4
4 Southwest_English 5.67
5 North_Dutch 6.55
6 Danish 7.04
7 Southeast_English 7.21
8 Norwegian 7.44
9 North_German 9.19
10 Swedish 10.37
11 South_Dutch 11.88
12 West_German 13.19
13 French 16.47
14 North_Swedish 16.63
15 Austrian 18.65
16 East_German 18.91
17 Spanish_Cataluna 23.08
18 Hungarian 23.22
19 Southwest_French 23.85
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 24.04

Yeah, I would say the top tier results in your single population approximation are accurate for your known heritage. Irish, and West Scottish are very similar. Though this is not always reliable either. If you were adopted and only relied on this tool, you might assume you're actually Scottish, rather than Irish. Mixed mode can be far less reliable unless you're using the right populations too

TardisBlue
13-05-19, 21:38
Eurogenes K36 ancient VS MTA:

https://i.ibb.co/RbdjgBS/Capture-d-cran-2019-05-13-21-22-36.png
https://i.ibb.co/kBhQ4Hd/Eurogenes-K36-Ancient.png
https://i.ibb.co/SVXXqSk/Capture-d-cran-2019-04-16-19-55-57.png
https://i.ibb.co/g9bXp6v/Timeline-2019-05-12-13-50-21.png

Jovialis
13-05-19, 21:48
I think this is a very decent example of the right samples to utilize for a mixed mode of four populations, for someone of my particular ancestry.
Using 4 populations approximation:

1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.447

Lukas
13-05-19, 23:02
From results presented here I realized that in MTA there aren't added samples from Baiuvar paper. Wonder why because there are of good quality and very relevant for Western Europe, north Italy, there are even few Balkan / Greek samples.

There are those samples used in K36 Ancient oracle. EMA is Early Medieval...



Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92


EMA_Balkanite_aed_125


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_204


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_249


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_432


EMA_Alpine_aed_513


EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119


EMA_Balkanite_AED_1135


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_3


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37


EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1


EMA_northItalian_NW_54


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_228


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266


EMA_Greek_STR_300


EMA_Alpine_STR_310


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_316


EMA_Alpine_STR_328


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_360


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_393


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486


EMA_Italian_STR_502


EMA_Alpine_STR_535


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_1




And here superimposed on modern K36 PCA
https://i.postimg.cc/GcQZyXns/Bez-nazwy-11.png

Angela
14-05-19, 00:58
From results presented here I realized that in MTA there aren't added samples from Baiuvar paper. Wonder why because there are of good quality and very relevant for Western Europe, north Italy, there are even few Balkan / Greek samples.

There are those samples used in K36 Ancient oracle. EMA is Early Medieval...



Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92


EMA_Balkanite_aed_125


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_204


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_249


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_432


EMA_Alpine_aed_513


EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119


EMA_Balkanite_AED_1135


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_3


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37


EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1


EMA_northItalian_NW_54


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_228


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266


EMA_Greek_STR_300


EMA_Alpine_STR_310


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_316


EMA_Alpine_STR_328


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_360


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_393


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486


EMA_Italian_STR_502


EMA_Alpine_STR_535


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_1




And here superimposed on modern K36 PCA
https://i.postimg.cc/GcQZyXns/Bez-nazwy-11.png

Thanks, Lukas. Some of those would be a lot of fun to compare.

Tomenable
14-05-19, 02:39
Simply you can't inherit so many cM (50, 60, 80 or more) from ancient samples lived thousand years ago.

It depends, Clovis Anzick-1 has very long (many cM) matches to modern Native Americans, even though he lived thousands of years ago. It has been discussed a few years ago in this thread (and such long matches with Anzick-1 were on GEDmatch, so the same methodology as with matches between modern people):

https://forums.familytreedna.com/forum/universal-lineage-testing-autosomal-dna/family-finder-advanced-topics/14839-clovis-anzick-1-amerindian-ancient-dna-have-matches-with-living-people

Quote: "you might be surprised to hear this 11,000 year old infant has some 3rd cousins living today"

Angela
14-05-19, 21:34
Well, I did it; I probably got ripped off, but whatever...

https://i.imgur.com/5HEqs9U.jpg

I don't think Northerners get the Hittite do they?https://i.imgur.com/R7A0Rda.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/q5eXB5M.png



I don't think more distant fits mean much in terms of overall similarity, although they might have something to say about input into your genetic history, but here they are anyway:
https://i.imgur.com/CDqEdf9.png

The IBD map is a total surprise, although a welcome one. I've always said my favorite ancient cultures were those of Crete and Etruria. So:
https://i.imgur.com/l6f9T8x.jpg

However, I have my doubts it's right.

Cretan from Armenoi "This individual has only 42,052 SNPs covered in the HOIll dataset and it belongs to a later period(Late Minoan III A-B ~ 1400-1200 BC) than the samples from Moni Odigitria and Lasithi. It does notform a clade with any single (N=1) population of the All set (p-value for rank=0 < 0.001). There areseveral models that fit (p-value for rank=1 > 0.05) for N=2 that agree on this individual having mostof its ancestry from Anatolian Neolithic-related population with additional ancestry from easternEuropean/North Eurasian hunter-gatherers.

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35488-Understanding-6th-Cent-Barbarian-Social-Organization-Migration-thru-Paleogenomics/page2?highlight=Szolad


On gedmatch, I share no segments with Crete Armenoi.

I do share on gedmatch some very small segments with the very same samples to whom mytrueancestry claims I am most similar:

Gedmatch tells me I share a segment with SZ43, 1.2. That is my number one overall genetic match on mytrueancestry. It is French like according to Popres analysis, Bulgarian according to Hell bus, Ibero Ialian according to ADMIXTURE?, and on one PCA it looks like the Romagna to me. North of TSI anyway. All of that from the paper. It fits everything I know about my ancestry and every analysis I’ve ever seen, i.e. somewhere between Bergamo like and Tuscan like. If he wasn’t an ancestor, he was at least an awful lot like me. Mytrueancestry analysis puts my fit with him at at 3.6, which is the best I’ve ever gotten on any analysis with modern populations.

As for the others:
I also get a 1.2 with SZ36 Tuscan like, although no IBD on mytrueancestry

None with CL36 also supposedly Tuscan like?

None with CL23

None SZ28

None CL121

None of the Illyrian and Thracian samples seem to be available anymore

Lukas
14-05-19, 22:04
K36 Ancient nMonte on www.yourdnaportal.com (http://www.yourdnaportal.com) for free.

Post your results (click on K36 calculator in Ancestry section, and check nMonte oracle for it). If you aren't registered, you must do it and upload raw data of course.

It is my father oracle:

Population Distance
AV2_Hungary_Szolad 1.166413
BA_Hungary_RISE479 1.309013
DA29_Golden-Horde_European1.359157
Scythian009_Ukraine 1.361893
Sungir6_Medieval_Russian 1.492281
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 1.500167
EMA_Czech_RISE569 1.836061
EBA_Poland_N17 1.907344

Breakdown



AV2_Hungary_Szolad 20.6
DA29_Golden-Horde_European 15
Scythian009_Ukraine 10.8
BA_Hungary_RISE479 10.4
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 8.6
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598 5.8
DA171_Lithuania_350650AD 4.4
EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568 2.8
Kivutkalns_153_Latvia_BA 2.4
Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala06 2.4
EMA_Czech_RISE569 2.2
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC 1.8
Turlojiske1_Lithuania_BA 1.6
BA_Potapovka_I0419 1.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92 0.8
EHG_I0124_Samara 0.8
SZ24_Longobard 0.8
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22 0.6
Mesolithic_Ukraine_HG1 0.6
BA_Hungary_BR1 0.4
BA_Hungary_BR2 0.4
CWC_Swden__RISE179 0.4
I2446_Beaker_Britain 0.4
LBA_Denmark_RISE276 0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE254 0.2
BA_Hungary_RISE484 0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_3831 0.2
BA_Unetice__Germany_I0116 0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0059 0.2
CHL_Iberia_1280 0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1277 0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1303 0.2
CWC_Germany_I0111 0.2
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC 0.2
DA199HungaryMedieval 0.2
EMA_Alpine_AED_513 0.2
I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE 0.2
MBA_Ireland_Rathlin 0.2
MN_Germany_I0559 0.2
MN_Germany_I0807 0.2
Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1 0.2
SZ18_Pannonian 0.2
SZ5_Pannonian 0.2
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 0.2

Angela
14-05-19, 22:11
K36 Ancient nMonte on www.yourdnaportal.com (http://www.yourdnaportal.com) for free.

Post your results (click on K36 calculator in Ancestry section, and check nMonte oracle for it). If you aren't registered, you must do it and upload raw data of course.

It is my father oracle:

Population Distance
AV2_Hungary_Szolad 1.166413
BA_Hungary_RISE479 1.309013
DA29_Golden-Horde_European1.359157
Scythian009_Ukraine 1.361893
Sungir6_Medieval_Russian 1.492281
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 1.500167
EMA_Czech_RISE569 1.836061
EBA_Poland_N17 1.907344

Breakdown



AV2_Hungary_Szolad 20.6
DA29_Golden-Horde_European 15
Scythian009_Ukraine 10.8
BA_Hungary_RISE479 10.4
DA191_Hungary_Scythian 8.6
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598 5.8
DA171_Lithuania_350650AD 4.4
EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568 2.8
Kivutkalns_153_Latvia_BA 2.4
Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala06 2.4
EMA_Czech_RISE569 2.2
DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC 1.8
Turlojiske1_Lithuania_BA 1.6
BA_Potapovka_I0419 1.4
Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92 0.8
EHG_I0124_Samara 0.8
SZ24_Longobard 0.8
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22 0.6
Mesolithic_Ukraine_HG1 0.6
BA_Hungary_BR1 0.4
BA_Hungary_BR2 0.4
CWC_Swden__RISE179 0.4
I2446_Beaker_Britain 0.4
LBA_Denmark_RISE276 0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE254 0.2
BA_Hungary_RISE484 0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_3831 0.2
BA_Unetice__Germany_I0116 0.2
Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0059 0.2
CHL_Iberia_1280 0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1277 0.2
CHL_Iberia_I1303 0.2
CWC_Germany_I0111 0.2
DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC 0.2
DA199HungaryMedieval 0.2
EMA_Alpine_AED_513 0.2
I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE 0.2
MBA_Ireland_Rathlin 0.2
MN_Germany_I0559 0.2
MN_Germany_I0807 0.2
Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1 0.2
SZ18_Pannonian 0.2
SZ5_Pannonian 0.2
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 0.2


Who runs it and gets to look at the data and my e-mail?

Lukas
14-05-19, 22:38
Who runs it and gets to look at the data and my e-mail?

They are existing since 1,5 year I think. It isn't "startup".
https://www.yourdnaportal.com/privacypolicy

matty74
14-05-19, 22:42
Mlukas...do you have my information yet?

Lukas
14-05-19, 22:46
Mlukas...do you have my information yet?

Don't know. If you ordered something from me you probably didn't use forum nickname?

Jovialis
14-05-19, 23:03
I don't think Northerners get the Hittite do they?



I believe Stuvane does:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com/page23?p=575738&viewfull=1#post575738

torzio
15-05-19, 00:54
Yourdnaportal
Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.4432536
Tuscan 1.0949434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
.
.
.
Population Value
North_Italian 56.6
Tuscan 12.8
RO 5.6
French_Basque 4.8
Sardinian 3.6

Population value, must mean %
If it does it matches 23andme

Angela
15-05-19, 00:58
Yourdnaportal
Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.4432536
Tuscan 1.0949434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
.
.
.
Population Value
North_Italian 56.6
Tuscan 12.8
RO 5.6
French_Basque 4.8
Sardinian 3.6

Population value, must mean %
If it does it matches 23andme

Whose is that? Is it yours?

Angela
15-05-19, 01:06
Torzio,
Did you post lost list of archaeogenetic matches, the ones with the samples listed and the fit?

Carlos
15-05-19, 02:11
Tu nMonte3 resultados de Oracle


Calculadora nMonte3 de Ger Huijbregts

Eurogenes K36


Modelo de calculadora por David Wesolowski del Proyecto Eurogenes Vaya a este foro independiente para discutir sus resultados


Distancia de la población más cercana



Población
Distancia


i3759_Celtiberian_IA
1.333519


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
1.423613


I3759_Celtiberian
1.501593


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
1.550354


BA_Hungary_RISE373
1.567452


I3874_Beaker_South_France
1.608371


I10892_Catalonia_medieval
1.650611


SZ45_Pannonian
1.751551









Population
Value


i3759_Celtiberian_IA
36.8


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
5


BA_Hungary_RISE373
4.8


I3874_Beaker_South_France
4.4


i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
3.8


BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032
3


I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
2


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.8


I3759_Celtiberian
1.8


N_Sweden_Gökhem7
1.4


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF21
1.2


CHL_Iberia_I1274
1


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
1


CHL_Iberia_I1303
0.8


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
0.8


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
0.8


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18
0.8


MN_Germany_I0560
0.8


MN_Iberia_I0405
0.8


N_Levant_AinGhazal5
0.8


SZ43_north-Italian
0.8


BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104
0.6


BA_Srubnaya_I0235
0.6


BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE154
0.6


CHL_Iberia_I1277
0.6


CHL_Remedello_IT_RISE489
0.6


CL87_Longobard
0.6


CWC_Sweden_RISE97
0.6


EMA_Alpine_STR_535
0.6


IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL
0.6


SZ45_Pannonian
0.6


BA_Armenia_RISE407
0.4


BA_Portugal_ERR1524174
0.4


BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
0.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0112
0.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0113
0.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171
0.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.4


CHG_Kotias
0.4


CHL_Iberia_I1281
0.4


CL36_north-Italian
0.4


CWC_Denmark_RISE71
0.4


CWC_Germany_I0108
0.4


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
0.4


EN_Iberia_I0411_I041
0.4


Gepid_Vim2
0.4


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
0.4


MBA_ATP2_Iberia
0.4


Niederstotzingen_Alemmani_6
0.4


SZ28_north-Italian
0.4


TAF009_Iberomaurasian
0.4


Visigoth_I12163
0.4


Amerindian_Chachapoya
0.2


BA_Hungary_RISE371
0.2


BA_Levant_I0867
0.2


BA_Srubnaya_I0358
0.2


BA_Srubnaya_I0359
0.2


BA_Sydon
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0164
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803
0.2


BA_Unetice__Germany_I0116
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_360
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE566
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE567
0.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0059
0.2


CHG_7700_Kotias
0.2


CHL_Armenia_I1409
0.2


CHL_Iberia_1280
0.2


CHL_Iberia_I1314
0.2


CHL_Yamnaya_Kalmykia_RISE552
0.2


CL121__north-Italian
0.2


CL25_south_Italian
0.2


CL31_Greek_Balkan
0.2


CL47_Alpine
0.2


CWC_Estonia_Kunila1_MA971
0.2


CWC_Germany_I0103
0.2


CWC_Germany_I0111
0.2


DA222_Karluk
0.2


DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak
0.2


DA_205_Kazakhstan_Karakhanid
0.2


EBA_Poland_RISE431
0.2


EMA_Alpine_STR_310
0.2


EN_Iberia_I0409
0.2


EN_Iberia_I0410
0.2


Egyptian_mummy_III_jk2911_
0.2


Egyptian_mummy_II_JK2134_
0.2


I2446_Beaker_Britain
0.2


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.2


IA_AltaI_RISE601
0.2


IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16
0.2


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
0.2


IA_Hungary_IR1
0.2


LBA_Afontova_Gora_RISE554
0.2


LBA_Armenia_RISE396
0.2


Lapita_Vanuatu_Il_370
0.2


MBA_Armenia_RISE416
0.2


MBA_Ireland_Rathlin
0.2


MN_Germany_I0172
0.2


N_Germany_I0797
0.2


N_Levant_AinGhazal1
0.2


N_Sweden_Gokhem5
0.2


SZ15_Longobard
0.2


SZ24_Longobard
0.2


SZ30_Celtic
0.2

Duarte
15-05-19, 02:30
They are existing since 1,5 year I think. It isn't "startup".
https://www.yourdnaportal.com/privacypolicy

Your nMonte3 oracle results


nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts

Eurogenes K36


Calculator model by David Wesolowski of the Eurogenes ProjectGo to this independent forum to discuss your results


Closest population distance



Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
1.094409


CL94_Iberian
1.425777


CL36_north-Italian
1.458463


BA_Hungary_RISE373
1.584045


CL57_north-Italian
1.657882


SZ43_north-Italian
1.664416


CL23_north-Italian
1.762843


SZ45_Pannonian
1.78964



https://i.imgur.com/RG5BKHR.png
https://i.imgur.com/fj3TyJj.png
https://i.imgur.com/5KNs875.png
https://i.imgur.com/BAEcTUg.png

Salento
15-05-19, 02:32
Yourdnaportal
Closest population distance .............using nMonte3
Population Distance
North_Italian 0.4432536
Tuscan 1.0949434
Romanian 1.1815506
Portuguese 1.2324841
Spanish_Galicia 1.3159366
.
.
.
Population Value
North_Italian 56.6
Tuscan 12.8
RO 5.6
French_Basque 4.8
Sardinian 3.6

Population value, must mean %
If it does it matches 23andme


K13 nMonte3

https://i.imgur.com/3Rj4x8p.jpg



K36 Ancient nMonte3

https://i.imgur.com/ILySRAA.jpg

torzio
15-05-19, 02:59
Yes
Earlier posts

torzio
15-05-19, 03:01
Where did you run this program with collegno ID from

Salento
15-05-19, 03:15
Hi Salento,

It appears our Ancestors split pretty early on if mytrueancestry.com is not able to show any trace of me any further south than Nordic Lombard (670 AD) or Scythian Moldova (290 BC). I wonder what period of time that would work out to be?

I'm trying to post my Timeline....it's being a bit difficult at the moment.

My Ancestors 1700 years ago, It's practically the Roman Empire. (LivingDNA)
Maybe my Ancestor dated a Pict girl .. lol, ... and a baby y T was born :satisfied:

https://i.imgur.com/BsFfAtt.jpg

Salento
15-05-19, 03:20
Where did you run this program with collegno ID from

run the k36 at yourdnaportal, and then run nMonte.

Angela
15-05-19, 04:14
Yes
Earlier posts

Yes, I know. I meant the actual list, not just five of them. Of course, if you don't want to reveal them that's your business.

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) - SZ28
2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) - CL23
3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (8.971) - I3313
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) - SZ36
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) - CL36

torzio
15-05-19, 05:14
Yes, I know. I meant the actual list, not just five of them. Of course, if you don't want to reveal them that's your business.

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) - SZ28
2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) - CL23
3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (8.971) - I3313
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) - SZ36
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) - CL36

6. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.03)
7. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.21)
8. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.57)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.91)
10. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (12.0)
11. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.33)
12. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.33)
13. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (12.35)
14. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (14.52)
15. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (15.25)
16. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.64)
17. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (16.26)
18. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (17.39)
19. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.57)
20. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (17.58)

torzio
15-05-19, 07:19
run the k36 at yourdnaportal, and then run nMonte.

Thank you

Closest population distance



Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.197928


CL36_north-Italian
1.237396


CL57_north-Italian
1.330768


SZ28_north-Italian
1.438457


SZ43_north-Italian
1.541763


CL63_Alpine
1.577491


SZ37_Greek-Italian
1.615911


BA_Hungary_BR2

1.63093



what and where was the top sample found ?




Population
Value


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
27.8


SZ37_Greek-Italian
10


CL57_north-Italian
6.4


SZ43_north-Italian
6.2


CL36_north-Italian
4.2


CL63_Alpine
3.4


BA_Hungary_RISE373
2.4


CL121__north-Italian
2.4


CL30_Greek_south-Italian
1


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
1


EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
1


N_Bar8_Anatolia
1


SZ36_north-Italian
1


BA_I9006_Mycenean
0.8


EMA_Balkan_AED_125
0.8


LNBA_Urnfield_Germany_I0099
0.8


N_Bar31_Anatolia
0.8


Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.6

Salento
15-05-19, 14:54
@Torzio @BMW

SZ36 - y T1a1.. Central Roman 590 AD

CL23 - y T1a2.. (n.Ita) Medieval Iberian 670 AD

https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gaH3KMI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ugqToNL.jpg

Lukas
15-05-19, 19:37
Thank you

Closest population distance



Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.197928


CL36_north-Italian
1.237396


CL57_north-Italian
1.330768


SZ28_north-Italian
1.438457


SZ43_north-Italian
1.541763


CL63_Alpine
1.577491


SZ37_Greek-Italian
1.615911


BA_Hungary_BR2
1.63093



what and where was the top sample found ?




Population
Value


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
27.8


SZ37_Greek-Italian
10


CL57_north-Italian
6.4


SZ43_north-Italian
6.2


CL36_north-Italian
4.2


CL63_Alpine
3.4


BA_Hungary_RISE373
2.4


CL121__north-Italian
2.4


CL30_Greek_south-Italian
1


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
1


EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
1


N_Bar8_Anatolia
1


SZ36_north-Italian
1


BA_I9006_Mycenean
0.8


EMA_Balkan_AED_125
0.8


LNBA_Urnfield_Germany_I0099
0.8


N_Bar31_Anatolia
0.8


Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.6



EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 is taken form Baiuvarii dataset. It was find on Bavaria but here it's position on modern PCA.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com/page25?p=575917#post575917

Lukas
15-05-19, 19:56
Next PCA with samples form this oracle on modern clusters.

Collegno

https://i.postimg.cc/cxjGLGj5/Bez-nazwy-1.png

Szolad and three Alemmani samples (Niedersotzingen).
SZ_19 on PCA doesn't look partly Balkan but in nMonte yes.

https://i.postimg.cc/RMSWcwFx/Bez-nazwy-1.png

Iberian like samples

https://i.postimg.cc/38gx2PV1/Bez-nazwy-1.png

torzio
15-05-19, 20:13
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 is taken form Baiuvarii dataset. It was find on Bavaria but here it's position on modern PCA.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38222-Mytrueancestry-com/page25?p=575917#post575917

so, do I sit between NW54 and CL36 on top chart or
NW54 and SZ37 on bottom of my charts ?

torzio
15-05-19, 20:25
Thank you

Closest population distance



Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.197928


CL36_north-Italian
1.237396


CL57_north-Italian
1.330768


SZ28_north-Italian
1.438457


SZ43_north-Italian
1.541763


CL63_Alpine
1.577491


SZ37_Greek-Italian
1.615911


BA_Hungary_BR2
1.63093



what and where was the top sample found ?




Population
Value


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
27.8


SZ37_Greek-Italian
10


CL57_north-Italian
6.4


SZ43_north-Italian
6.2


CL36_north-Italian
4.2


CL63_Alpine
3.4


BA_Hungary_RISE373
2.4


CL121__north-Italian
2.4


CL30_Greek_south-Italian
1


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
1


EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
1


N_Bar8_Anatolia
1


SZ36_north-Italian
1


BA_I9006_Mycenean
0.8


EMA_Balkan_AED_125
0.8


LNBA_Urnfield_Germany_I0099
0.8


N_Bar31_Anatolia
0.8


Bell_Beaker_Germany__RISE560_
0.6



Top 5 between the 2 charts

NW54
CL57
CL36
SZ43
CL63

overall near Trento lands

Lukas
15-05-19, 20:45
Top 5 between the 2 charts

NW54
CL57
CL36
SZ43
CL63

overall near Trento lands

For two charts you mean Admixturestudio and yourdnaportal?

BTW you are user vettor from Anthrogenica maybe?

Angela
15-05-19, 21:23
Sile, you post once more on a sock account and you're out of here.

Have the guts to own your own results. Much as it may pain your fringe even for Lega Nord heart you land in ITALY.

You're fooling nobody, btw. Why do you think I asked you to post all your results, which of course you didn't? Some things show up you didn't like?

torzio
15-05-19, 23:07
Sile, you post once more on a sock account and you're out of here.

Have the guts to own your own results. Much as it may pain your fringe even for Lega Nord heart you land in ITALY.

You're fooling nobody, btw. Why do you think I asked you to post all your results, which of course you didn't? Some things show up you didn't like?
I already wrote to eupedia on the issue that i could not use the sile account once i reinstalled windows 10
Reply was that i needed a new email address , that did not work
So i created a new account on the new email address
If you can make sile work again, i am happy to use it

I did notify some people about this.

I apologize for the confusion.....i thought you ate the one that said to me about issues with my sile account

Let me know
Which to use

Aspurg
15-05-19, 23:08
When it comes to sharing cM's with ancient samples, I'm very cautious there. At GEDmatch I've noticed that, on average, if a person has marginally higher SNP count he/she will on average get more cM's. I did some tests and basically individuals with highest quality had most as a rule, those with marginally less SNP's (like 165k on K36 vs 162k) had less on avg.. I isolated first people of same ethnicity who shared most with various samples and it became immediately apparent that they have slightly more SNP's than the others.. Quality of the sample was a huge factor as well..

Salento
16-05-19, 00:04
Honestly, Sile notified me about ..., so I knew.

torzio
16-05-19, 00:51
For two charts you mean Admixturestudio and yourdnaportal?

BTW you are user vettor from Anthrogenica maybe?

Yes,
Are you the person that analized me and said i was 76% veneto/trento and then 4% saarland ?

Angela
16-05-19, 02:19
I already wrote to eupedia on the issue that i could not use the sile account once i reinstalled windows 10
Reply was that i needed a new email address , that did not work
So i created a new account on the new email address
If you can make sile work again, i am happy to use it

I did notify some people about this.

I apologize for the confusion.....i thought you ate the one that said to me about issues with my sile account

Let me know
Which to use


If you can't use the old account fine, but you could have registered as Sile II so there was no confusion, or even put Sile in parenthesis after your new name.

People have a right to know "Torzio" is "Sile" who has been posting here for years. Nor do most people know or care which uniparental signature "Sile" carries.

Nice way to get out from under your bad reputation score and start fresh I must say. Unfortunately, your preoccupations give you away.

Salento, sometimes I wonder if you really are this gullible.

Also, Lega is a religion now? The one that just doesn't like to pay taxes which go disproportionately to the south, or the fringe type who think you and all other southerners are Africans who should never have been allowed to migrate north, and believe the "Alpine" Italians should form an "Alpine" country with places like Switzerland and Austria? Like that would ever happen. Morons.

I may think white Nationalist Americans who want their own states with no minorities in them should not be silenced by the government, but I wouldn't befriend or defend them either.

Salento
16-05-19, 03:18
@Angela :)
I was merely stating a fact.

Gullible ??? LOL
think about it.

I can single handedly challenge any Genetic-Political Nordic-Grandiose Theory by the mere fact of my provenance and Y chr.

They can choose their political views, but they can’t choose their Ancestors.

torzio
16-05-19, 07:19
For two charts you mean Admixturestudio and yourdnaportal?



i refer to the top and bottom data on post #630

Jovialis
16-05-19, 12:21
https://i.imgur.com/Mvcx2Pq.png

Looks like the circles have changed at bit. But I don't know if that just has to do with a change in the graphic.

Jovialis
16-05-19, 13:11
Also, Lega is a religion now? The one that just doesn't like to pay taxes which go disproportionately to the south, or the fringe type who think you and all other southerners are Africans who should never have been allowed to migrate north, and believe the "Alpine" Italians should form an "Alpine" country with places like Switzerland and Austria? Like that would ever happen. Morons.


For the latter, they would have to go back pretty far. As the Lombard paper shows.

Duarte
16-05-19, 13:53
I am a Gallo-Roman, according MyTrueAncestry::smile:

https://i.imgur.com/XnQ1ziO.png
https://i.imgur.com/vXYgNrP.jpg


But it is clear to me that this Roman soldier FN 2 pursues me on every calculator (GEDmatch Eurogenes K36 map, MyTrueAncestry, Admixturestudio and Yourdnaportal - thank you for indicate these last two tools Mr mlukas).
:rolleyes2:
I want to claim my Roman citizenship back, LOL. An ancestor of mine fought and died for Rome. I deserve a repair. I'm waiting for it. Andiamo!!!! :grin::laughing:


Sorry for the joke, dear friends. It is just to chill out. Kisses and hugs to all.:good_job::heart:

Angela
16-05-19, 14:53
@Angela :)
I was merely stating a fact.

Gullible ??? LOL
think about it.

I can single handedly challenge any Genetic-Political Nordic-Grandiose Theory by the mere fact of my provenance and Y chr.

They can choose their political views, but they can’t choose their Ancestors.

You're absolutely right.

As you're right about being to combat their stupidity.

It's just that these people sometimes try to hide their agendas. Not everyone has been listening to their nonsense for 11 years or more.

matty74
16-05-19, 17:33
Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts
Eurogenes K36
Calculator model by David Wesolowski of the Eurogenes ProjectGo to this independent forum to discuss your results

Closest population distances

Population
Distance


SZ22_Longobard
0.7892724


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
0.8357272


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
0.9068484


CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.9516002


CL84_Longobard
0.9802423


SZ38_Longobard
1.1252302


SZ16_Longobard
1.1496143


SZ11_Longobard
1.1592053








Population
Value


SZ22_Longobard
22.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
13.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_204
11.8


CL83_Celto-Longobard
9


SZ38_Longobard
7.4


CL84_Longobard
5.4


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
4.6


SZ13_Longobard
3.4


SZ9_Longobard
3


SZ16_Longobard
2.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255
2.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0058
1.8


IA_Hinxton4_Celtic_Roman
1.8


SZ12_Longobard
1.6


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0060
1


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala04
0.8


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117
0.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119
0.6


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.6


IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL
0.6


SZ24_Longobard
0.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355
0.4


CHL_Iberia_1280
0.4


DA199HungaryMedieval
0.4


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala02
0.4


Vik_84005_Sigtuna_Viking
0.4


BA_Hungary_RISE483
0.2


BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0114
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
0.2


CL47_Alpine
0.2


EMA_Poland_Slav_Niemcza_34
0.2


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.2


I1388_Beaker_South_France
0.2


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
0.2


MN_Iberia_I0406
0.2


Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1
0.2


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala09
0.2


N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2
0.2


SZ45_Pannonian
0.2


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
0.2

matty74
16-05-19, 17:35
Your genetic ancestry calculator results
K47
Global population calculator with 47 global ancestral clusters.Calculator model by Lukasz Macuga of the LM Genetics Projecthttp://www.lm-genetics.ovhGo to this independent forum to discuss your results

Your results05101520North IberianEast IberianNorth CaucasianPaleo BalkanEast EuropeanVolganNorth Sea GermanicCelticWest FinnicScando GermanicBalticWest MediterraneanCentral MediterraneanPercentagePopulation


Population
Percentage


North Iberian
9.77


East Iberian
5.29


North Caucasian
4.58


Paleo Balkan
1.86


East European
4.62


Volgan
0.31


North Sea Germanic
15.84


Celtic
13.63


West Finnic
9.15


Scando Germanic
21.12


Baltic
7.5


West Mediterranean
3.75


Central Mediterranean
2.6














Population
Percentage


Kushitic
0.00%




North Iberian
9.77%




East Iberian
5.29%




Tibeto Burman
0.00%




North African
0.00%




South Caucasian
0.00%




North Caucasian
4.58%




Paleo Balkan
1.86%




Turkic Altai
0.00%




Proto Austronesian
0.00%




Nilotic
0.00%




East Mediterranean
0.00%




Omotic
0.00%




Munda
0.00%




North Amerind
0.00%




Arabic
0.00%




East European
4.62%




Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%




Andean
0.00%




Indo Chinese
0.00%




South Indian
0.00%




North East Asian
0.00%




Volgan
0.31%




Mongolian
0.00%




Siberian
0.00%




North Sea Germanic
15.84%




Celtic
13.63%




West African
0.00%




West Finnic
9.15%




Uralic
0.00%




Sahelian
0.00%




North West Indian
0.00%




East African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%




East Asian
0.00%




Amuro Manchurian
0.00%




Scando Germanic
21.12%




Iranian
0.00%




South African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%




Amazonian
0.00%




Baltic
7.50%




Malay
0.00%




Meso Amerind
0.00%




South Chinese
0.00%




Papuan
0.00%




West Mediterranean
3.75%




Pamirian
0.00%




Central Mediterranean
2.60%

Salento
16-05-19, 17:35
https://i.imgur.com/1ZcxiQ4.jpg

Some of my closest contemporary Y’s locations and Ancestral Timeline:


https://i.imgur.com/jiiTdnI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ICmDH44.jpg

Carlos
16-05-19, 18:06
Population
Percentage


Kushitic
0.74%




North Iberian
15.39%




East Iberian
4.84%




Tibeto Burman
0.00%




North African
4.69%




South Caucasian
5.31%




North Caucasian
0.08%




Paleo Balkan
4.47%




Turkic Altai
0.00%




Proto Austronesian
0.00%




Nilotic
0.00%




East Mediterranean
5.49%




Omotic
0.67%




Munda
0.00%




North Amerind
0.00%




Arabic
0.30%




East European
0.45%




Central African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%




Andean
0.00%




Indo Chinese
0.00%




South Indian
0.00%




North East Asian
0.00%




Volgan
0.47%




Mongolian
0.00%




Siberian
0.00%




North Sea Germanic
11.06%




Celtic
10.49%




West African
0.00%




West Finnic
6.00%




Uralic
0.08%




Sahelian
0.00%




North West Indian
0.00%




East African Hunter Gatherer
0.00%




East Asian
0.00%




Amuro Manchurian
0.00%




Scando Germanic
3.35%




Iranian
2.53%




South African Hunter Gatherer
0.14%




Amazonian
0.00%




Baltic
5.13%




Malay
0.00%




Meso Amerind
0.00%




South Chinese
0.00%




Papuan
0.00%




West Mediterranean
16.15%




Pamirian
0.17%




Central Mediterranean
1.99%





In k47 I get these results. Well I have it much clearer than years ago

davef
17-05-19, 06:22
What's ironic is that a number of people who claim to be top of the line members of the so called master race don't seem to have much to give. How many of them went to college or accomplished anything worth bragging about? Do they cling to these views to feel better about themselves and boost self esteem?

Stuvanè
18-05-19, 12:35
Mine:
Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator by Ger Huijbregts
Eurogenes K36
Calculator model by David Wesolowski of the Eurogenes ProjectGo to this independent forum to discuss your results

Closest population distances

Population
Distance


CL36_north-Italian
0.9910701


SZ36_north-Italian
1.1891711


SZ28_north-Italian
1.2160251


CL121__north-Italian
1.3294021


SZ43_north-Italian
1.4221923


SZ32_north-Italian
1.4702894


CL23_north-Italian
1.4754335


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.512881








Population
Value


SZ28_north-Italian
24


CL121__north-Italian
16.2


SZ36_north-Italian
12.6


CL23_north-Italian
6.2


SZ18_Pannonian
6


Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
5.4


CL36_north-Italian
4.6


SZ19_Italian-Balkan
2.6


EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
2.4


CL47_Alpine
2.2


BA_I9041_Mycenaean
1.6


CL38_Greek_south-Italian
1.2


LBA_Armenia_RISE412
1.2


N_Levant_AinGhazal4
1


Visigoth_Iberian_I12034
1


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
0.8


BA_Hungary_BR2
0.6


CHL_Anatolian_I1584
0.6


CL30_Greek_south-Italian
0.6


DA199HungaryMedieval
0.6


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.6


MN_Germany_I0559
0.6


SZ32_north-Italian
0.6


EMA_Greek_STR_300
0.4


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.4


I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
0.4


MBA_Germany__RISE471
0.4


N_Germany_I0048
0.4


SZ38_Longobard
0.4


SZ45_Pannonian
0.4


BA_Hungary_RISE374
0.2


BA_I9006_Mycenean
0.2


BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032
0.2


BA_Sydon
0.2


CHL_Armenia_I1407
0.2


CHL_Iran_I1665
0.2


CL94_Iberian
0.2


CWC_Poland_RISE1
0.2


EIA_F38_Iran
0.2


EMA_Italian_STR_502
0.2


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
0.2


EN_Anatolia_Tepe002
0.2


I10892_Catalonia_medieval
0.2


I1388_Beaker_South_France
0.2


LBA_Armenia_RISE397
0.2


MN_Iberia_I0407
0.2


N_Germany_I0795
0.2


N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2
0.2


Scythian009_Ukraine
0.2


i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
0.2

Carlos
18-05-19, 15:30
New adjustment of my results.

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=tl
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xt4QEPccE9Q/XOAIygKOo9I/AAAAAAAAAos/ZsfdRtQiY68h8g_7LTDR20suVRuKFyhugCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252826%2529.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CQE4NCFk6rs/XOANr0feHQI/AAAAAAAAAo4/lWZYUDffPh0xSXT4vUeCFRIluMCLGvXlACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_maintimeline.jpg

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
2. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
3. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
6. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (13.51) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
8. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
9. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.63) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (15.42) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
13. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
16. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (16.5) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
17. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.53) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.63) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (16.75) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
20. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
21. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
22. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.63) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
23. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
24. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
25. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
26. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2)
27. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
28. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.83) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
31. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
32. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
33. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (20.3) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
35. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
37. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
38. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
39. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (21.55) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
41. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
42. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.84) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.0) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
46. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
49. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
50. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
51. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (22.96) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
52. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
53. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
55. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
56. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
57. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/12/22/1518445113)
58. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)

The Visigoths of Girona have come into play. Roman iberia Granada, Medieval Valencia, Medieval Andalusia. Does anyone know who medieval Valencia was?

Duarte
18-05-19, 17:34
Yes @Carlos.
New samples added and a new situation for me too.

https://i.imgur.com/ZtTmjxU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2jQaKtD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sJ5C4Ys.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gAhA7T2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Q7qEH1I.png

Carlos
18-05-19, 17:44
New adjustment of my results.

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=tl
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xt4QEPccE9Q/XOAIygKOo9I/AAAAAAAAAos/ZsfdRtQiY68h8g_7LTDR20suVRuKFyhugCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252826%2529.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CQE4NCFk6rs/XOANr0feHQI/AAAAAAAAAo4/lWZYUDffPh0xSXT4vUeCFRIluMCLGvXlACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_maintimeline.jpg

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
2. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.038) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
3. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.058) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.145) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
6. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.48) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (13.51) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
8. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.99) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
9. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.53) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.63) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (15.42) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
13. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.69) - I2478
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.47) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.47) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
16. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (16.5) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
17. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.53) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.63) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (16.75) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
20. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.05) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
21. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.4) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
22. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.63) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
23. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.96) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
24. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.07) - Rise577 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
25. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.45) - VO10207
26. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.87) - DA111 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0094-2)
27. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.4) - DA199
28. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.57) - 6DRIF-22 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.83) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
31. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.94) - I3874 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
32. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.96) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
33. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.98) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (20.3) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
35. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.74) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
37. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.08) - ATP9
38. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.5) - I5471 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
39. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.51) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (21.55) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
41. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6) - SZ23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
42. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.6) - I1388 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.84) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.85) - 3DRIF-16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10326)
45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.0) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
46. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.34) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.47) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
48. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47) - BIM_33 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
49. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82) - I1767 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25738)
50. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.89) - I4251 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135962)
51. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (22.96) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
52. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (23.15) - Rise154 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
53. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.24) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Central Roman (590 AD) (23.67) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
55. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (23.75) - Rise47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
56. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (23.82) - I3875 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135962v1)
57. Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (24.07) - Ballynahatty (https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/12/22/1518445113)
58. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (24.14) - SZ14 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)

The Visigoths of Girona have come into play. Roman iberia Granada, Medieval Valencia, Medieval Andalusia. Does anyone know who medieval Valencia was?


Duarte was waiting for him, he knew it would happen.

Lukas
18-05-19, 17:55
They basically mimic what I add recently to K36 Ancient oracle:) Celtiberian, Visigoth, Iberian medieval, Moriscos samples among others.

So I must make another update think, now much more complex:)

timberwolf
19-05-19, 04:28
They basically mimic what I add recently to K36 Ancient oracle:) Celtiberian, Visigoth, Iberian medieval, Moriscos samples among others.

So I must make another update think, now much more complex:)

What other samples are you thinking of adding?

Duarte
19-05-19, 13:18
New changes, from yesterday to today:

https://i.imgur.com/Hxcq5vc.png
https://i.imgur.com/5GnIqBm.png
https://i.imgur.com/mUk7Y4u.png
https://i.imgur.com/jiaTApz.png

Lukas
19-05-19, 19:06
What other samples are you thinking of adding?

Maybe all from Roman and medieval period for Europe which are in last big Reich dataset (and from Olalde Spanish dataset).
I must add Swat Valley / Indian samples too.

Angela
19-05-19, 19:57
New changes, from yesterday to today:

https://i.imgur.com/Hxcq5vc.png
https://i.imgur.com/5GnIqBm.png
https://i.imgur.com/mUk7Y4u.png
https://i.imgur.com/jiaTApz.png

Well, in "modern" gedmatch calculators I often get a bunch of matches to Spanish groups after the Northern Italian and Tuscan groups are listed, so I guess this makes sense. Why is another question. :)

Also a changed list:


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (3.614) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (4.508) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 16.92
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.771) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 20.25
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.671) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) I don't see it on Duarte's list at all so I tend to doubt it's Medieval Iberian.
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.698) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 12.32
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (9.734) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 24.4
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.06) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457) Duarte gets 12.23
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.28) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte gets 11.54
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.29) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 10.66
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.83) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) 20.24
11. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (10.85) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) This is a real shocker: Duarte gets 19.44. Was the mixture N.A. and more Italian like?
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (11.87) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.8
13. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (11.99) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.61
14. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (12.49) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.05
15. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.6) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte 12.38
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.6) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778) Duarte 12.38
17. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) - I3575 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)- 13.51 Duarte gets
18. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.55) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.03
19. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (14.25) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 8.625
20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.39) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 18.93. Are some of these late Iberian samples Hispano-Roman types?
21. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (14.53) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 14.48
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.83) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 14.21
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.06) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.47
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.1) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 16.59
26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (15.17) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 16.53
27. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (15.18) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 17.89
28. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.42) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.39
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (15.43) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Can't find it
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.54) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 10.66
31. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.84) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.59
32. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.25) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 18.47 (Some "Germanic" in both but not good fits.
33. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.27) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
34. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.7) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
35. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.79) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte 22.8
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (18.88) - I3980 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) I don't see it.
37. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (18.95) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 17.25
38. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (19.15) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494) Duarte 6.896
39. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.57) - DA199
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (19.81) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
41. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.27) - I4930
42. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.79) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.55) - I3808 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.94) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.29) - Ker1
46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.33) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.66) - Vim2
48. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (22.92) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
49. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.97) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
50. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (23.75) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (24.02) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (24.06) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.14) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.16) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte18.81
55. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.18) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (25.28) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.72) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Trypillia (3500 BC) (25.94) - I1926
59. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (25.98) - scy301 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.01) - gun005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches)

It just got too tedious, so after 30 I just spot checked the differences for somehow Iberian related samples. I have to add Carlos' results.

Angela
19-05-19, 20:46
Well, in "modern" gedmatch calculators I often get a bunch of matches to Spanish groups after the Northern Italian and Tuscan groups are listed, so I guess this makes sense. Why is another question. :)

Also a changed list:


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (3.614) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (4.508) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 16.92
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.771) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 20.25
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.671) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) I don't see it on Duarte's list at all so I tend to doubt it's Medieval Iberian.
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.698) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 12.32
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (9.734) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 24.4
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.06) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457) Duarte gets 12.23
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.28) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte gets 11.54
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.29) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 10.66
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.83) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) 20.24
11. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (10.85) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) This is a real shocker: Duarte gets 19.44. Was the mixture N.A. and more Italian like?
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (11.87) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.8
13. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (11.99) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.61
14. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (12.49) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.05
15. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.6) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte 12.38
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.6) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778) Duarte 12.38
17. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) - I3575 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)- 13.51 Duarte gets
18. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.55) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.03
19. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (14.25) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 8.625
20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.39) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 18.93. Are some of these late Iberian samples Hispano-Roman types?
21. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (14.53) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 14.48
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.83) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 14.21
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.06) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.47
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.1) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 16.59
26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (15.17) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 16.53
27. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (15.18) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 17.89
28. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.42) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.39
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (15.43) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Can't find it
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.54) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 10.66
31. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.84) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.59
32. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.25) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 18.47 (Some "Germanic" in both but not good fits.
33. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.27) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
34. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.7) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
35. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.79) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte 22.8
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (18.88) - I3980 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) I don't see it.
37. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (18.95) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 17.25
38. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (19.15) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494) Duarte 6.896
39. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.57) - DA199
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (19.81) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
41. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.27) - I4930
42. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.79) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.55) - I3808 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.94) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.29) - Ker1
46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.33) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.66) - Vim2
48. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (22.92) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
49. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.97) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
50. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (23.75) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (24.02) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (24.06) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.14) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.16) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte18.81
55. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.18) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (25.28) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.72) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Trypillia (3500 BC) (25.94) - I1926
59. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (25.98) - scy301 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.01) - gun005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches)

It just got too tedious, so after 30 I just spot checked the differences for somehow Iberian related samples. I have to add Carlos' results.

Duarte, do you know why you're given Gallo-Roman (6.896) as your closest ancient population when your closest fit to one of them is 12.32? Is it just they haven't gotten around to updating that section?

matty74
19-05-19, 21:04
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
4. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
7. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767
8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
9. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
10. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
11. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
12. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981
13. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
14. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
15. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
17. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568
18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
22. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
24. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
25. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
26. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
27. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367
28. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
29. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
33. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
37. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255
38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
39. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
40. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
41. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
42. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
43. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.908) - I12162
44. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
45. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
46. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93
47. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471
48. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
49. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
50. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447
51. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
52. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151
53. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
54. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512
55. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
56. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
57. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
58. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
59. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
60. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099

Carlos
19-05-19, 21:34
Angela

About Moorish Andalusia I think according to the link that it was mixed moriscos half iberia half north Africa. He says that after the expulsions, the reconquest and the repopulation, the genetic inheritance remains at 5%, perhaps even pre-Islamic.


The coincidence perhaps with the Andalusian Moorish or rather Al-Andalus is due to its Iberian or European part. I think that is true about these individuals in particular.


The maps show the 25 closest matches and are trying to expand it to be more flexible.

Estoy encantado que por fin aparezcan yacimientos de España.

Carlos
19-05-19, 21:44
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=arch

Finally, the Iberian Peninsula did not look like a desert.

Although they have disappeared to me to have put more data the deposits of England and Scotland since the program introduces in the maps the last 25 strongest I believe that they are going to solve it. I think it is good to see the interconnection between the peoples and territories of Europe.

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=dd

And in this Bell Beaker Italy appears that previously did not appear.

Appear or not appear the data is but it is a very good format and many people can be fond since the image is so important nowadays and will serve for a greater promotion and dissemination among the population that not only data and more data without drawings.


You have truly had a great idea.

Angela
19-05-19, 22:02
My results with some of Duarte's and Carlos' results:
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (3.614) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (4.508) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 16.92
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.771) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 20.25
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.671) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Not on Duarte's list at all so I tend to doubt it should be called Medieval Iberian. Carlos (14.53) It's northern It.
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.698) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 12.32 Carlos (13.99)
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (9.734) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 24.4
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.06) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457) Duarte gets 12.23 Carlos (15.13)
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.28) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte gets 11.54 Carlos (10.8)
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.29) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 11.49:ashamed2: Carlos (15.42)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.83) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) 20.24
11. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (10.85) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) This is a real shocker: Duarte gets 19.44. Carlos (21.84) Was the mixture N.A. and more Italian like?
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (11.87) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.8 Carlos (16.75)
13. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (11.99) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.61 Carlos (17.63)
14. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (12.49) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.05 Carlos (16.63
15. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.6) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte 12.38 Caros (16.47)
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.6) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778) Duarte 12.38 Carlos (16.47)
17. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) - I3575 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)- 13.51 Duarte gets 19.03
18. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.55) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.03
19. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (14.25) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 8.625 Carlos (9.145)
20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.39) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 18.93. Carlos (22.0) Are some of these late Iberian samples Hispano-Roman types?
21. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (14.53) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 14.48 Carlos (13.48)
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.83) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 14.21 Carlos 20.3
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.06) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.47 Carlos (16.53)
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.1) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 9. 921 Carlos (13.51)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 16.59 Carlos(17.05)
26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (15.17) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 16.53 Carlos 21.55
27. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (15.18) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 17.89 Carlos (22.96)
28. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.42) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.39 Carlos (16.5)
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (15.43) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Can't find it
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.54) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 10.66 Carlos (14.63)
31. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.84) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.59
32. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.25) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 18.47 Carlos (17.96 ) Some "Frank" in all three but not good fits.
33. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.27) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
34. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.7) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
35. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.79) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte 22.8 Carlos (24.23)
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (18.88) - I3980 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) I don't see it.
37. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (18.95) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 17.25 Carlos (17.4)
38. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (19.15) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494) Duarte 6.896 Carlos 9.058
39. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.57) - DA199
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (19.81) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
41. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.27) - I4930
42. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.79) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.55) - I3808 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.94) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Carlos(22.0)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.29) - Ker1
46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.33) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.66) - Vim2
48. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (22.92) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Carlos (24.3)
49. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.97) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte 9.863 Carlos 8.771
50. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (23.75) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (24.02) - Duarte 10.39 FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494) Carlos 9.038
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (24.06) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.14) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.16) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte18.81 Carlos (19.6)
55. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.18) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (25.28) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.72) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Trypillia (3500 BC) (25.94) - I1926
59. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (25.98) - scy301 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.01) - gun005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches)

It just got too tedious, so after 30 I just spot checked the differences for somehow Iberian related samples. I added Carlos' results up to his number 30.

What fits did Balkan people get for the Illyrians, Thracians and Scythians? I seem to get a slightly better fit than Carlos and Duarte.

I'd like to see CL23 run against Parma Beakers and later Italian samples from the north when they come out. I think some of the CL samples may be mislabeled as Iberian, when I'm closer to them than an Iberian.

The Medieval Valencia samples are all over the place. So are the "Moriscos". I have to go back and look at individual samples for both groups, because they all varied. Add the "Visigothic" ones. From what I remember, some of them are very "local Iberian" like.

For Italian Bell Beaker Carlos gets 15.69, but it doesn't appear at all on mine. I have to see which one it was, ie more steppic or less steppic ones. Do other Italian posters get it? Maybe some of the comments I saw that Parma Beaker wasn't the "more northern" mixing agent everywhere in Italy is correct.

Carlos gets a lot of Bell Beaker samples I don't get at all. He also gets some of the Gladiators. I don't get any at all.

I seem to be closer to Gallo Roman and Cisalpine Gaul than these two Iberians, but I think I remember Stuvane might have been closer?

Stuvane, if you see this, could you compare with your list?

In fact, if it isn't a lot of bother, does someone have a program or app that could just collate all our posted scores and give fits per sample by name? If I knew how to do it I would. That would be terrific.

Stuvanè
19-05-19, 22:11
@Angela: this is my new list

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.538) - SZ43
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.299) - SZ36
3. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (7.647) - I7424
4. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.839) - CL36
5. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.938) - CL23
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.0) - CL121
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (11.39) - SZ28
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (11.77) - I3313
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.78) - SZ32
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (13.34) - I2515
11. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (13.7) - I2514
12. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (13.83) - I3981
13. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (13.93) - I7425
14. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (14.23) - I3575
15. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (14.48) - scy192
16. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.85) - I3582
17. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (15.0) - CL57
18. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.56) - I2644
19. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.62) - I3585
20. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.8) - I3982
21. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (15.81) - SZ19
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (16.04) - I3581
23. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (16.55) - SZ45
24. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (16.57) - CL94
25. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.58) - I4332
26. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.58) - I5769
27. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (17.34) - I3576
28. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.22) - I12031
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.63) - SZ40
30. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.91) - CL63
31. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (18.98) - I3983
32. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (19.21) - SZ18
33. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (19.37) - I3980
34. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.84) - I2649
35. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.94) -



Sent from my SM-J730F using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Stuvanè
19-05-19, 22:14
following...

36. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (20.74) - I9041
37. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.12) - I3808
38. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (21.26) - CL47
39. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.27) - I9033
40. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (21.53) - FN_2
41. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.03) - Ker1
42. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (22.3) - DA199
43. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.54) - SZ5
44. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (22.55) - I4930
45. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (22.58) - CL53
46. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.74) - Vim2
47. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (23.37) - I9123
48. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (23.94) - CL30
49. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (24.15) - CL102
50. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.69) - CL25
51. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.96) - I12163
52. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (25.34) - CL38
53. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (25.37) - I12034
54. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (26.07) - Rise397
55. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (26.33)- FN_2
56. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (26.7) - I12032
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (26.76) - SZ38
58. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (27.1) - scy301
59. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (27.61) - MA2208
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.78) - gun005


Sent from my SM-J730F using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Lukas
19-05-19, 22:59
I'd like to see CL23 run against Parma Beakers and later Italian samples from the north when they come out. I think some of the CL samples may be mislabeled as Iberian, when I'm closer to them than an Iberian.
.

Of course it is mislabelled. In K36 Ancient it is Northern Italian.

Here on PCA in north Italian cluster. And Italians here all have it as hight fit.

BTW nobody notice that you have Roman Soldier FN_2 sample two times on the list on different positions... FN_2 is sample ID, it can't be used twice.
https://i.postimg.cc/cxjGLGj5/Bez-nazwy-1.png

voloh
19-05-19, 23:10
Maybe all from Roman and medieval period for Europe which are in last big Reich dataset (and from Olalde Spanish dataset).
I must add Swat Valley / Indian samples too.

could you add the two illyrians?

Angela
19-05-19, 23:18
Of course it is mislabelled. In K36 Ancient it is Northern Italian.

Here on PCA in north Italian cluster. And Italians here all have it as hight fit.

BTW nobody notice that you have Roman Soldier FN_2 sample two times on the list on different positions... FN_2 is sample ID, it can't be used twice.
https://i.postimg.cc/cxjGLGj5/Bez-nazwy-1.png

Yes, I remember your PCA and where the samples plot among modern people. They're clearly more modern "North Italian" shifted than Iberian shifted by a lot. I don't know why they labeled them "Iberian". I mean, yeah, they're more Iberian shifted than the southern Italian ones, but that's a different story. Are they assuming the more Iberian like affinity came later as a result of admixture. I'd have to go back to the paper and look at the uniparentals to make sure, but who is to say these were just another group of people living in northern Italy at that time. The Romans sent a lot of people from the south north, and not just in colonia.

There may be a fundamental misunderstanding of those results.

Btw, where did SZ43 go?

I want to see the CL23 and some of the other "Iberian" labeled samples here compared to Parma Beaker.

Salento
19-05-19, 23:35
CL23 (y T-L446):

1 North-Italy 27.39
2 Portugal&GaliciaAzores 19.61
3 Spain North&East 19.33
4 Spain Central&South 19.02
5 East-Balkan 14.65

https://i.imgur.com/67AgSTj.png

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 6.318764
2 Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.215214
3 Portuguese @ 10.481634
4 Tuscan @ 10.846835
5 Spanish_Galicia @ 11.515195
6 Spanish_Andalucia @ 11.734688
7 Spanish_Murcia @ 11.924896
8 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.378675
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 12.674054
10 Spanish_Valencia @ 12.895143

Lukas
19-05-19, 23:36
Yes, I remember your PCA and where the samples plot among modern people. They're clearly more modern "North Italian" shifted than Iberian shifted by a lot. I don't know why they labeled them "Iberian". I mean, yeah, they're more Iberian shifted than the southern Italian ones, but that's a different story. Are they assuming the more Iberian like affinity came later as a result of admixture. I'd have to go back to the paper and look at the uniparentals to make sure, but who is to say these were just another group of people living in northern Italy at that time. The Romans sent a lot of people from the south north, and not just in colonia.

There may be a fundamental misunderstanding of those results.

Btw, where did SZ43 go?

I want to see the CL23 and some of the other "Iberian" labeled samples here compared to Parma Beaker.

No one can exclude it has partly Iberian ancestry but judging from people results, not even my PCA, this sample has more affinity to north Italy than Iberia. That's a fact.

Duarte
19-05-19, 23:41
Duarte, do you know why you're given Gallo-Roman (6.896) as your closest ancient population when your closest fit to one of them is 12.32? Is it just they haven't gotten around to updating that section?

Hello Angela.

In principle, looking at my "TIMELINE and for" TIMELINE of Carlos, as well as looking at my archeological map, the proximity to the populations (Gallo-Romans, Visigoths, Ilyrians) is calculated from an algorithm that considers all distances with all populations with which I relate and not the relative distance with a single sample of an individual from that group. IMO. Big Hug :good_job::wary2:

Angela
20-05-19, 00:00
Hello Angela.

In principle, looking at my "TIMELINE and for" TIMELINE of Carlos, as well as looking at my archeological map, the proximity to the populations (Gallo-Romans, Visigoths, Ilyrians) is calculated from an algorithm that considers all distances with all populations with which I relate and not the relative distance with a single sample of an individual from that group. IMO. Big Hug :good_job::wary2:

If that were true, Duarte, why would they give you a genetic fit number for each individual ancient sample. It would be a useless endeavor.

Also, that time line is linked to a specific dated sample, and your closest ancient populations page gives fits which relate to specific identified samples. You can find them on your genetic samples map.The Central Rome which appears as my closest fit on that is SZ43. I can tell because the fit numbers are identical.b

I think that by mislabeling some of the Collegno samples they are misleading people. They also should re-label that Ostrogoth sample, which is really Anatolian or Aegean like, and a lot of the Visigothic Spanish samples, a lot of which aren't very Germanic.

Not everybody has followed all the details.

Angela
20-05-19, 00:07
No one can exclude it has partly Iberian ancestry but judging from people results, not even my PCA, this sample has more affinity to north Italy than Iberia. That's a fact.

As I said, I know that.

What I want to know is if some of these CL samples are actually just Northern Italian samples of that era, i.e. before the arrival of the Langobards etc. That would then indicate that then as now there were more "northern" as well as more "southern" people living in Italy at that time, i.e. not homogeneous.

Duarte
20-05-19, 00:39
If that were true, Duarte, why would they give you a genetic fit number for each individual ancient sample. It would be a useless endeavor.

Also, that time line is linked to a specific dated sample, and your closest ancient populations page gives fits which relate to specific identified samples. You can find them on your genetic samples map.The Central Rome which appears as my closest fit on that is SZ43. I can tell because the fit numbers are identical.b

I think that by mislabeling some of the Collegno samples they are misleading people. They also should re-label that Ostrogoth sample, which is really Anatolian or Aegean like, and a lot of the Visigothic Spanish samples, a lot of which aren't very Germanic.

Not everybody has followed all the details.

Hi Angela,
In my case, the Gallo-Roman @ 6,896 is equivalent to the Roman Soldier Gemany FN_2 @ 6.896. I saw in another forum (theapricity) that this soldier would be from the south of France, probably Aquitaine. I am assuming that from this hypothesis born the classification of the Roman Soldier as Gallo-Roman. I also received the email below that explains how the updates will be happen from now on:

https://i.imgur.com/fXpQSSU.png

timberwolf
20-05-19, 01:03
Maybe all from Roman and medieval period for Europe which are in last big Reich dataset (and from Olalde Spanish dataset).
I must add Swat Valley / Indian samples too.


Excellent. What can you tell me about RISE577? It seems to be consistently my closest match.

Angela
20-05-19, 01:31
Hi Angela,
In my case, the Gallo-Roman @ 6,896 is equivalent to the Roman Soldier Gemany FN_2 @ 6.896. I saw in another forum (theapricity) that this soldier would be from the south of France, probably Aquitaine. I am assuming that from this hypothesis born the classification of the Roman Soldier as Gallo-Roman. I also received the email below that explains how the updates will be happen from now on:

https://i.imgur.com/fXpQSSU.png

OK.

Looking at your list of sample matches:

Gallo Roman SZ28 12.32

Roman soldier FN 6.896

Are you saying that on the page where they give you a couple of "closest" Ancient populations they have Gallo Roman 6.896? The one with the ancient picture?

If that's the case, then I think they are confusing things up for people. What makes Roman soldier FN a Gallo-Roman? If anything maybe an Iberian.

Also, if Lukas is right and there aren't two Roman soldier in Germany samples, then why do I get two on my list with two different fits?

Do you get two as well? Are the fits the same?

@Lukas, where does the Roman soldier plot? Both/one?

Carlos
20-05-19, 02:12
Perhaps the Roman soldier is Celtiberian so he could be named as a Gallo. Maybe the page does not yet have Celtiberians.

If MytrueAncestry does not yet have the Celtiberian definition, my results will enter Gallo for that of familiarity.


My results on yourdnaportal




Closest population distances

Population
Distance


i3759_Celtiberian_IA
1.333519


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
1.423613


I3759_Celtiberian
1.501593


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
1.550354


BA_Hungary_RISE373
1.567452


I3874_Beaker_South_France
1.608371


I10892_Catalonia_medieval
1.650611


SZ45_Pannonian
1.751551

davef
20-05-19, 02:15
They should include the Egyptian mummies if they haven't already.

Duarte
20-05-19, 02:17
OK.

Looking at your list of sample matches:

Gallo Roman SZ28 12.32

Roman soldier FN 6.896

Are you saying that on the page where they give you a couple of "closest" Ancient populations they have Gallo Roman 6.896? The one with the ancient picture?

If that's the case, then I think they are confusing things up for people. What makes Roman soldier FN a Gallo-Roman? If anything maybe an Iberian.

Also, if Lukas is right and there aren't two Roman soldier in Germany samples, then why do I get two on my list with two different fits?

Do you get two as well? Are the fits the same?

@Lukas, where does the Roman soldier plot? Both/one?

@Angela,

Yes. I have two matches with the Roman Soldier:

1. Roman Soldier Germany FN_2 @ 6.896 and
5. Roman Soldier Freiham Nord Germany @ 10.39.

It should be noted that in the French application that compares old samples with the results of the GEDmatch Eurogenes K36 calculator, this sample (Roman Soldier FN2) which is also my best match in this GEDmatch associated application (81 - totally red) is dated 300 AD and not 300 BC as MTA says. The dating of 300 AD is correct, as I have seen in several forums. Perhaps they have two samples, one Gallo-Roman and another of a Roman Soldier and use a unique nomenclature for both , as well as the dating, that are incorrect. They have to see this in an upcoming update.
Hugs :)

Carlos
20-05-19, 02:24
They should include the Egyptian mummies if they haven't already.


On yourdnaportal K37 are. Hey you know who they were, they were family, who is it about?





Egyptian_mummy_III_jk2911_
0.2


Egyptian_mummy_II_JK2134_
0.2

torzio
20-05-19, 02:50
From the lombard paper
CEU + GBR = Central europe and the balkans is representd by TSI + IBS........let me know if balkans ID is something else, please

Salento
20-05-19, 03:14
They should include the Egyptian mummies if they haven't already.
Genius Match:
(if you say something, make sure it’s a positive thing, ... or say nothing. Thank you) LoL :)

King Tut & Jesse James, .... :cool-v:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34439-Regional-Populations-for-NG-2-0-Helix-Version?p=574835&viewfull=1#post574835

matty74
20-05-19, 05:00
I don't think there's a lot of change from mytrueancestry to yourdnaportal but the "Pict" listing doesn't occur on any of my other submissions including yourdnaportal and MLukasz's results either. It appears that I'm broadly northwestern european with the mix of both of my parents?

Closest population distances



Population
Distance


SZ22_Longobard
0.7892724


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
0.8357272


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
0.9068484


CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.9516002


CL84_Longobard
0.9802423


SZ38_Longobard
1.1252302


SZ16_Longobard
1.1496143


SZ11_Longobard
1.1592053








Population
Value


SZ22_Longobard
22.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
13.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_204
11.8


CL83_Celto-Longobard
9


SZ38_Longobard
7.4


CL84_Longobard
5.4


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
4.6


SZ13_Longobard
3.4


SZ9_Longobard
3


SZ16_Longobard
2.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255
2.2


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0058
1.8


IA_Hinxton4_Celtic_Roman
1.8


SZ12_Longobard
1.6


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0060
1


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala04
0.8


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117
0.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119
0.6


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.6


IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL
0.6


SZ24_Longobard
0.6


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355
0.4


CHL_Iberia_1280
0.4


DA199HungaryMedieval
0.4


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala02
0.4


Vik_84005_Sigtuna_Viking
0.4


BA_Hungary_RISE483
0.2


BA_Portugal_MonteGato_104
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0114
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0803
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92
0.2


CL47_Alpine
0.2


EMA_Poland_Slav_Niemcza_34
0.2


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.2


I1388_Beaker_South_France
0.2


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
0.2


MN_Iberia_I0406
0.2


Mesolithic_Hungary_KO1
0.2


Mesolithic_Sweden_Motala09
0.2


N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2
0.2


SZ45_Pannonian
0.2


i3758_Celtiberian_IA
0.2

matty74
20-05-19, 05:02
https://i.imgur.com/eRts2Jl.png

https://i.imgur.com/Ncl6ZId.png

https://i.imgur.com/Gw1vSO3.png

https://i.imgur.com/ovwXrkO.png

Jovialis
20-05-19, 05:12
Well, in "modern" gedmatch calculators I often get a bunch of matches to Spanish groups after the Northern Italian and Tuscan groups are listed, so I guess this makes sense. Why is another question. :)

Also a changed list:


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (3.614) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (4.508) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 16.92
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.771) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 20.25
4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.671) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) I don't see it on Duarte's list at all so I tend to doubt it's Medieval Iberian.
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (9.698) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 12.32
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (9.734) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 24.4
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.06) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457) Duarte gets 12.23
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.28) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte gets 11.54
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.29) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 10.66
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.83) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) 20.24
11. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (10.85) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) This is a real shocker: Duarte gets 19.44. Was the mixture N.A. and more Italian like?
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (11.87) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.8
13. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (11.99) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.61
14. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (12.49) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.05
15. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (12.6) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616) Duarte 12.38
16. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.6) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778) Duarte 12.38
17. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) - I3575 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)- 13.51 Duarte gets
18. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.55) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 19.03
19. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (14.25) - CL94 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte gets 8.625
20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.39) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte gets 18.93. Are some of these late Iberian samples Hispano-Roman types?
21. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (14.53) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 14.48
22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.83) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 14.21
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.06) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 12.47
24. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.1) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.17) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 16.59
26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (15.17) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 16.53
27. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (15.18) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 17.89
28. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.42) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.39
29. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (15.43) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Can't find it
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.54) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 10.66
31. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.84) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) Duarte 13.59
32. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.25) - CL63 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 18.47 (Some "Germanic" in both but not good fits.
33. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.27) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
34. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.7) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
35. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.79) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte 22.8
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (18.88) - I3980 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf) I don't see it.
37. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (18.95) - CL47 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4) Duarte 17.25
38. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (19.15) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494) Duarte 6.896
39. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.57) - DA199
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (19.81) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
41. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.27) - I4930
42. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.79) - CL53 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
43. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.55) - I3808 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (21.94) - CL102 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.29) - Ker1
46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (22.33) - SZ5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
47. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.66) - Vim2
48. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (22.92) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
49. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.97) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
50. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (23.75) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
51. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (24.02) - FN_2 (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494)
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (24.06) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
53. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.14) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.16) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) Duarte18.81
55. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.18) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
56. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (25.28) - I9123 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/)
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (25.72) - SZ38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Trypillia (3500 BC) (25.94) - I1926
59. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (25.98) - scy301 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
60. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (27.01) - gun005 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanches)

It just got too tedious, so after 30 I just spot checked the differences for somehow Iberian related samples. I have to add Carlos' results.

Here are my updated results:

1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.418) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.19) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.49) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.57) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.02) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.41) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.48) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.19) - I9006 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.19) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.24) - Ker1
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.85) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
14. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (15.95) - I0184
15. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (16.0) - MA2208 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
16. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.39) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
17. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.81) - I9010 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (17.05) - I3808 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
19. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (17.51) - I3575 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
20. Minoan (2000 BC) (18.73) - I9129 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
21. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (19.34) - MA2206 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
22. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (19.82) - I4930
23. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (20.48) - I3980 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
24. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (20.72) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
25. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (20.78) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
26. Minoan (2000 BC) (20.98) - I9005 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
27. Hittite Anatolia (1675 BC) (21.08) - MA2200 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
28. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (21.08) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
29. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.86) - I0071 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
30. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (22.49) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
31. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.58) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
32. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (23.15) - I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
33. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (23.52) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
34. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (23.52) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
35. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (23.55) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
36. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.67) - I0070 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
37. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (23.83) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
38. Minoan (2000 BC) (24.09) - I0074 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
39. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (24.17) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
40. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (24.2) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
41. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (24.22) - I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
42. Minoan (2000 BC) (24.38) - I9130 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
43. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (24.54) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (24.77) - I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
45. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) (25.4) - I1631
46. Samaritan (2000 AD) (25.78) - Unknown
47. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.16) - I0073 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
48. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.3) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
49. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.37) - I9131 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
50. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (26.5) - I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
51. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (26.92) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
52. Ottoman (1500 AD) (26.98) - MA2196
53. Canaanite (1600 BC) (27.06) - ERS1790730 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
54. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (27.14) - I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
55. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (27.14) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
56. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (27.54) - I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
57. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (28.12) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
58. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (28.14) - Vim2
59. Canaanite (1600 BC) (28.35) - ERS1790729 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
60. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (28.43) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)

Jovialis
20-05-19, 05:19
Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)


Total cM=0.67
Largest segment=0.67 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)

I am using a new Superkit, that now includes my FTDNA raw data, along with 23andme, AncestryDNA, Helix Nat Geo 2.0, LivingDNA raw data. With the new update, I only have one Deep dive match, and it is with the Mycenaean sample.

Jovialis
20-05-19, 05:23
https://i.imgur.com/RLCeug0.png

Here's my new timeline.

Perhaps the similarity with samples like Roman Hispania, have to do with the colonists that went there during the Roman Empire. Also, perhaps even from commonalities brought by Greek influence. They all seem to cluster in the same area, so I would think they are related.

https://i.imgur.com/Byidf5K.png

Jovialis
20-05-19, 05:48
Here's the updated list of Ancient Samples.

https://i.imgur.com/6yLOEdR.jpg

torzio
20-05-19, 07:19
https://i.imgur.com/RLCeug0.png

Here's my new timeline.

Perhaps the similarity with samples like Roman Hispania, have to do with the colonists that went there during the Roman Empire. Also, perhaps even from commonalities brought by Greek influence. They all seem to cluster in the same area, so I would think they are related.

https://i.imgur.com/Byidf5K.png

only change for me was the time line ............blue line went from bottom of bar to top and
top blue lines went from top to bottom of bar

Lukas
20-05-19, 11:15
I don't think there's a lot of change from mytrueancestry to yourdnaportal but the "Pict" listing doesn't occur on any of my other submissions including yourdnaportal and MLukasz's results either. It appears that I'm broadly northwestern european with the mix of both of my parents?

Closest population distances



Population
Distance


SZ22_Longobard
0.7892724


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
0.8357272


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
0.9068484


CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.9516002


CL84_Longobard
0.9802423


SZ38_Longobard
1.1252302


SZ16_Longobard
1.1496143


SZ11_Longobard
1.1592053








Maybe their Pict is what I called Celto-Longobard CL83? I would hesitate to call him Pict, too big distancce from Scotland to Collegno...

voloh
20-05-19, 11:26
From results presented here I realized that in MTA there aren't added samples from Baiuvar paper. Wonder why because there are of good quality and very relevant for Western Europe, north Italy, there are even few Balkan / Greek samples.

There are those samples used in K36 Ancient oracle. EMA is Early Medieval...



Baiuvarii_Germanic_AEd_92


EMA_Balkanite_aed_125


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_204


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_249


Baiuvarii_Germanic_aed_432


EMA_Alpine_aed_513


EMA_GreekBalkan_aed_1108


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_1119


EMA_Balkanite_AED_1135


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_3


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_33


Baiuvarii_Germanic_BIM_37


EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1


EMA_northItalian_NW_54


Baiuvarii_Germanic_NW_255


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_228


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266


EMA_Greek_STR_300


EMA_Alpine_STR_310


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_316


EMA_Alpine_STR_328


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_355


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_360


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_393


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486


EMA_Italian_STR_502


EMA_Alpine_STR_535


Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STr_220


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_10


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_1




And here superimposed on modern K36 PCA
https://i.postimg.cc/GcQZyXns/Bez-nazwy-11.png

are AED 1135 and AED 125 included in the calculator? i don't score them at all

Angela
20-05-19, 14:27
https://i.imgur.com/RLCeug0.png

Here's my new timeline.

Perhaps the similarity with samples like Roman Hispania, have to do with the colonists that went there during the Roman Empire. Also, perhaps even from commonalities brought by Greek influence. They all seem to cluster in the same area, so I would think they are related.

https://i.imgur.com/Byidf5K.png

I'm still waiting for my new map, although the Hispano Roman samples came through. I'm going to talk about them in a subsequent post.

Lukas
20-05-19, 14:40
On Anthrogenica there is rumour that Roman paper will be soon published...

Lukas
20-05-19, 14:41
are AED 1135 and AED 125 included in the calculator? i don't score them at all

Can you post your result? and K36 values too.

voloh
20-05-19, 14:55
Can you post your result? and K36 values too.

i think it might be because of my 23andme v5 raw data? becuse it lacks snps
23andme placed me in the correct region, but a lot of the oracles place me a little bit off, for example in Slovenia





Population
Percentage


Amerindian
0.00%




Arabian
0.52%




Armenian
2.63%




Basque
3.23%




Central African
0.00%




Central Euro
9.27%




East African
0.00%




East Asian
0.00%




East Balkan
8.19%




East Central Asian
0.00%




East Central Euro
10.23%




East Med
4.32%




Eastern Euro
9.58%




Fennoscandian
9.13%




French
0.29%




Iberian
17.15%




Indo-Chinese
0.00%




Italian
10.32%




Malayan
0.00%




Near Eastern
0.00%




North African
0.00%




North Atlantic
3.14%




North Caucasian
0.00%




North Sea
3.62%




Northeast African
0.00%




Oceanian
0.00%




Omotic
0.00%




Pygmy
0.00%




Siberian
0.00%




South Asian
0.00%




South Central Asian
0.00%




South Chinese
0.00%




Volga-Ural
0.55%




West African
0.00%




West Caucasian
1.39%




West Med
6.46%








Population
Distance


BA_Hungary_BR2
1.517823


SZ5_Pannonian
1.644762


DA199HungaryMedieval
1.670557


SZ45_Pannonian
1.721791


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
1.738961


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.859132


Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031
1.942362


EMA_Alpine_STR_310
1.953525








Population
Value


DA199HungaryMedieval
24.8


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
18.2


Scythian009_Ukraine
6.2


CL23_north-Italian
6


AV1_Hungary_Szolad
5.2


BA_Hungary_RISE254
4


Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031
3.8


AV2_Hungary_Szolad
3


DA29_Golden-Horde_European
2.6


Sungir6_Medieval_Russian
1.8


EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
1.6


EMA_Alpine_AED_513
1


EMA_Poland_Slav_Niemcza_34
1


CL30_Greek_south-Italian
0.8


N_Germany_I0056
0.8


N_Germany_I0795
0.8


CHL_Remedello_IT_RISE487
0.6


EHG_I0124_Samara
0.6


EN_Iberia_I0411_I041
0.6


I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
0.6


IA_EastKazachstan_Is2
0.6


Kivutkalns_153_Latvia_BA
0.6


Mesolithic_Sweden_Ajvide59
0.6


Mesolithic_Sweden_Stora_Forvar_11
0.6


i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
0.6


BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi
0.4


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248
0.4


CHL_Iberia_I1303
0.4


EMA_Czech_Slav_RISE568
0.4


EN_Ballinahatty_Ireland_
0.4


EN_Iberia_I0413
0.4


I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE
0.4


I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
0.4


MBA_ATP2_Iberia
0.4


MN_Iberia_I0405
0.4


N_Bar8_Anatolia
0.4


N_Germany_I0048
0.4


N_Sweden_Gokhem5
0.4


N_Sweden_Gökhem7
0.4


Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
0.4


SZ36_north-Italian
0.4


BA_Hungary_BR2
0.2


BA_I9006_Mycenean
0.2


BA_I9033_Mycenaean
0.2


BA_I9041_Mycenaean
0.2


CHL_Iberia_ATP16_
0.2


CHL_Iberia_I1274
0.2


CHL_Iberia_I1277
0.2


CHL_Iberia_I1281
0.2


EHG_OleniyOstrov_I0061
0.2


EHG_Yuzhnyy_Oleni_Ostrov_I0211
0.2


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
0.2


EN_Iberia_I0409
0.2


EN_Iberia_I0410
0.2


I1152_Israel_chalcolithic
0.2


I1819_Mesolithic_Ukrain
0.2


IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26
0.2


LBA_Lithuania_RISE598
0.2


LBK_Germany_Stuttgart
0.2


LN_Portugal_Monte_Canelas_1
0.2


MBA_Armenia_RISE416
0.2


MN_Germany_I0559
0.2


MN_Germany_I0807
0.2


MN_Iberia_I0406
0.2


MN_Iberia_I0407
0.2


Malta_Siberia
0.2


Mesolithic_CCC_EstoniaKudrukula2_MA974
0.2


Mesolithic_Latvia_HG3
0.2


N_Anatolia_I0709_BAR20
0.2


N_Germany_I0797
0.2


N_Levant_AinGhazal4
0.2


N_Levant_AinGhazal5
0.2


N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2
0.2


SZ32_north-Italian
0.2

matty74
20-05-19, 15:02
Maybe their Pict is what I called Celto-Longobard CL83? I would hesitate to call him Pict, too big distancce from Scotland to Collegno...

That appears to be correct. I just looked that up and mytrueancestry has labeled CL83 as “PICT” for whatever reason.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383
4. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452
5. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15
6. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4
7. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767
8. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6
9. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18
10. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown
11. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3
12. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981
13. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875
14. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12
15. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14
17. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568
18. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145
19. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249
20. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84
22. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255
23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4
24. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2
25. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola
26. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1
27. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367
28. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3
29. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119
30. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035
31. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22
33. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1
34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021
35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23
36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10
37. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255
38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8
39. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38
40. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577
41. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112
42. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1
43. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.908) - I12162
44. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9
45. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61
46. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93
47. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471
48. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16
49. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16
50. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447
51. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11
52. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151
53. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21
54. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512
55. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150
56. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2
57. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001
58. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33
59. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3
60. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) (11.35) - I0099

TardisBlue
20-05-19, 17:57
These are my updated results. I now have more Iberian matches in my timeline/list:

https://i.ibb.co/Nj0x7QF/Ancestral-map-updated-19-05-19.png
https://i.ibb.co/2F6kY1c/Archaeogenetic-matches-updated-19-05-19.png
https://i.ibb.co/R0Zcgwn/Timeline-updated-19-05-19.png

Carlos
20-05-19, 22:26
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=amer

I did not get anything but in I do not know which calculator I had obtained a value of a Chupapoya tribe 0.008 or something like that. I was excited to be something of Mongolian.

pippi
20-05-19, 23:54
Hello. This is my first post on here, so I am unable to post links. However, I posted my results over on Anthrogenica under my user name Chelle, if anyone wants to take a look. Thank you, Lukasz for making the calculator available. I found my mom's results pretty interesting.

Lukas
21-05-19, 00:51
Hello. This is my first post on here, so I am unable to post links. However, I posted my results over on Anthrogenica under my user name Chelle, if anyone wants to take a look. Thank you, Lukasz for making the calculator available. I found my mom's results pretty interesting.

Thanks. I saw. Mom is Jewish for some part?

Lukas
21-05-19, 00:54
i think it might be because of my 23andme v5 raw data? becuse it lacks snps
23andme placed me in the correct region, but a lot of the oracles place me a little bit off, for example in Slovenia




Population
Distance


BA_Hungary_BR2
1.517823


SZ5_Pannonian
1.644762


DA199HungaryMedieval
1.670557


SZ45_Pannonian
1.721791


DA112_Hallstatt-Bylany_800BC
1.738961


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.859132


Visigoth_south-Euro_mixed_I12031
1.942362


EMA_Alpine_STR_310
1.953525






Problem is on yourdnaportal there are only 8 positions in distance list.
I can later make list for you up to 50 for example in nMonte on my computer, will post.

pippi
21-05-19, 01:02
Thanks. I saw. Mom is Jewish for some part?

Yes, she is half. I have sent her data to you before for analysis on your business site. :)

voloh
21-05-19, 01:29
Problem is on yourdnaportal there are only 8 positions in distance list.
I can later make list for you up to 50 for example in nMonte on my computer, will post.
that would be great. thanks :good_job:

timberwolf
21-05-19, 03:19
My YourDNAportal results

Closest population distances

Population
Distance


BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
0.8138778


IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1
0.9158936


I1767_Beaker_Britain
1.0586737


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
1.0802194


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18
1.1105017


BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE150
1.2261611


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
1.3095858


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
1.3359061




Population
Value


IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1
34.8


BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
26.2


I1767_Beaker_Britain
10.4


CWC_Denmark_RISE61
5


DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC
2.6


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
2.4


I5385_Scotland_Bell_Beaker
2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
1.6


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
1.4


EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon
1.2


IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL
1.2


BA_Srubnaya_I0235
0.8


CWC_Germany_I0108
0.8


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.8


MBA_Germany__RISE471
0.8


BA_Hungary_RISE373
0.6


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.6


I3759_Celtiberian
0.6


IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL
0.6


BA_Srubnaya_I0358
0.4


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0047
0.4


BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE139
0.4


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241
0.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171
0.4


IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16
0.4


SZ23_Longobard
0.4


i3759_Celtiberian_IA
0.4


BA_Portugal_ERR1524174
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486
0.2


CL23_north-Italian
0.2


CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.2


I10892_Catalonia_medieval
0.2


IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL
0.2


MBA_Armenia_RISE413
0.2


N_Sweden_Gökhem7
0.2


Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
0.2


SZ3_Longobard
0.2


SZ45_Pannonian
0.2


Visigoth_Iberian_I12034
0.2

Lukas
21-05-19, 14:57
My YourDNAportal results

Closest population distances



Population
Distance


BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
0.8138778


IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1
0.9158936


I1767_Beaker_Britain
1.0586737


EMA_Hinxton5_Anglosaxon
1.0802194


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF18
1.1105017


BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE150
1.2261611


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
1.3095858


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
1.3359061




Population
Value


IA_Celtic_Britain_Hinxton1
34.8


BA_Unetice_Czechia_RISE577
26.2


I1767_Beaker_Britain
10.4


CWC_Denmark_RISE61
5


DA111_Hallstatt-Bylany|_800BC
2.6


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
2.4


I5385_Scotland_Bell_Beaker
2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_480
1.6


IA_Britain_York_6DRIF23
1.4


EMA_Hinxton2_Anglosaxon
1.2


IA_Wielbark_Kow_22_PL
1.2


BA_Srubnaya_I0235
0.8


CWC_Germany_I0108
0.8


I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent
0.8


MBA_Germany__RISE471
0.8


BA_Hungary_RISE373
0.6


I10851_medieval_Catalonia
0.6


I3759_Celtiberian
0.6


IA_Wielbark_Kow_26_PL
0.6


BA_Srubnaya_I0358
0.4


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0047
0.4


BA_Unetice_Poland_RISE139
0.4


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241
0.4


Bell_Beaker_Germany_I0171
0.4


IA_Britain_York_3DRIF16
0.4


SZ23_Longobard
0.4


i3759_Celtiberian_IA
0.4


BA_Portugal_ERR1524174
0.2


Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486
0.2


CL23_north-Italian
0.2


CL83_Celto-Longobard
0.2


I10892_Catalonia_medieval
0.2


IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL
0.2


MBA_Armenia_RISE413
0.2


N_Sweden_Gökhem7
0.2


Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
0.2


SZ3_Longobard
0.2


SZ45_Pannonian
0.2


Visigoth_Iberian_I12034
0.2





What is your opinion about results?

Carlos
21-05-19, 20:30
PLA DE L'HORTA (SARRIÀ DE TER, GIRONA): A NECROPOLIS WITH VISIGOUS INHUMATIONS IN THE EASTERN TARRACONENSE

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p8yUETTMXw0/XORCv9qSG3I/AAAAAAAAAp8/dRLPU7u9Jfgb3nc2Rsd_VOVgQbXUQKutACLcBGAs/s640/visigodogerona.jpg

Are the MytrueAncestry Visigoths from this site?

Jovialis
21-05-19, 20:50
Here are my results for Eurogenes K36 Ancient, using my new Superkit (Raw data: Helix Geno 2.0, 23andme, AncestryDNA, Living DNA, FTDNA) created in DNAkit studio, in FTDNA format [Accuracy: More accurate (slower)] :


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


--------------------------------




Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 33083 ms
1 52.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 47.85% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.744
2 50.20% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.763
3 59.96% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 40.04% CL36_northItalian @ 6.196
4 68.16% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 31.84% BA_I9041_Mycenaean @ 6.572
5 78.32% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 21.68% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 6.628
6 74.02% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25.98% CL94_Iberian @ 6.629
7 50.20% CL36_northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.656
8 65.82% CL121__northItalian + 34.18% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 @ 6.674
9 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% BA_Hungary_RISE247 @ 6.700
10 76.37% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.63% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy @ 6.754
11 75.59% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 24.41% BA_Hungary_RISE483 @ 6.826
12 54.49% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 45.51% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.836
13 50.20% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.917
14 59.96% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 40.04% SZ40_Italian @ 7.071
15 56.05% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 43.95% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 7.094
16 67.77% CL121__northItalian + 32.23% EN_Anatolia_Tep003 @ 7.228
17 50.20% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.233
18 79.10% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.90% CHL_Iran_I1665 @ 7.293
19 77.93% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 22.07% MBA_Armenia_RISE423 @ 7.312
20 79.10% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.90% CHL_Iran_I1674 @ 7.374
21 50.20% SZ40_Italian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.432
22 78.71% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 21.29% CHL_Iran_I1662 @ 7.460
23 81.05% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.95% MN_Germany_I0807 @ 7.460
24 74.02% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25.98% BA_Hungary_RISE374 @ 7.502
25 83.01% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 16.99% N_Germany_I0048 @ 7.508
26 53.71% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 46.29% CL121__northItalian @ 7.520
27 63.48% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 36.52% SZ36_northItalian @ 7.543
28 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.560
29 75.20% CL121__northItalian + 24.80% BA_I0070_Minoan @ 7.604
30 79.88% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 20.12% IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 @ 7.655
31 77.15% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.85% BA_Hungary_RISE480 @ 7.669
32 76.76% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 23.24% i3757_Celtiberian_IA @ 7.853
33 81.84% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 18.16% N_Hungary_NE7 @ 7.869
34 77.93% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 22.07% EMA_northItalian_FN_2 @ 7.878
35 73.63% CL121__northItalian + 26.37% N_Levant__AinGhazal3 @ 7.964
36 80.27% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 19.73% MN_Germany_I0560 @ 7.983
37 65.04% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 34.96% BA_I9006_Mycenean @ 8.011
38 72.46% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 27.54% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 8.029
39 51.37% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 48.63% CL121__northItalian @ 8.038
40 50.20% CL121__northItalian + 49.80% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.043


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.518
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.270
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.674
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.993
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.381
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.583
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.307
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.752
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.584
10 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 16.902
New populations: 98


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.760
2 50% CL36_northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 6.639
3 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 6.911
4 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 7.224
5 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ40_Italian @ 7.418
6 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 7.556
7 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 8.042
8 50% CL121__northItalian + 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 8.165
9 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% CL36_northItalian @ 8.181
10 50% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 8.198


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.422
2 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.746
3 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.824
4 33% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.285
5 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.781
6 33% CL36_northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 5.796
7 33% BA_I9033_Mycenaean + 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 5.841
8 33% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 5.893
9 33% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 33% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 33% SZ43_northItalian @ 5.934
10 33% CL121__northItalian + 33% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 33% EMA_Greek_STR_300 @ 6.010


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.534
2 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.646
3 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.673
4 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.674
5 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.680
6 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.734
7 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.791
8 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL36_northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 4.802
9 25% CHL_Anatolian_I1584 + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% EMA_Greek_STR_300 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 4.870
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% CL121__northItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian + 25% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 4.918

timberwolf
21-05-19, 21:37
What is your opinion about results?


Pretty good.

I did note that Rise577 is again my closest match, also I don't know much about Rise150, and I thought that perhaps a couple of the Longobard samples nay have been a bit more prominent in the results.

Angela
21-05-19, 21:38
PLA DE L'HORTA (SARRIÀ DE TER, GIRONA): A NECROPOLIS WITH VISIGOUS INHUMATIONS IN THE EASTERN TARRACONENSE

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p8yUETTMXw0/XORCv9qSG3I/AAAAAAAAAp8/dRLPU7u9Jfgb3nc2Rsd_VOVgQbXUQKutACLcBGAs/s640/visigodogerona.jpg

Are the MytrueAncestry Visigoths from this site?

These are four of your Visigothic matches:
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) (24.16)
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) ((18.79)
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) ((22.92)

We get similar "fits" to these Visigoths: not very good. :)

I didn't look up the specific y's for each one, but in general the Spanish elite "Visigoths" were not a particularly Germanic group by the time they arrived in Iberia.

As Markod pointed out in the relevant paper:
The 4 males from early Visigothic Pla de l'Horta (Catalonia) are R1b-L51, E-V13, J2a and I. These were Visigothic 'big men' from one of the most important necropolises of the period.

Some of the Visigoths have likely East Eurasian mtDNA too - C4a1a.

The Goths, unlike, it seems to me, the Langobards, very quickly absorbed people as they roamed Europe. The "Ostrogoth" labeled sample mytrueancestry uses couldn't be less "Germanic". Autosomally, this Gothic "high chief" buried in a Kurgan is Aegean Greek/Anatolian and carries J2a1a. (My fit to him is 22.

To this Visigothic sample you get a very good score, your best.

Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)

I was intrigued, so I went back to our thread on the Olade et al 2019 paper, and we discussed the Visigothic Spanish samples a lot.

From Tomenable:
"One Visigoth from Spain -I12031 - clusters with modern Serbs and has Balkan Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b1a1b1a.

This is Balkan haplogroup E-V13."

"So, the most Germanic of all five Visigoths with high coverage was I12163.

Here is my model for this sample (not saying it is the best possible one), he was 2/3 Germanic + 1/3 South Euro:

Swedish (Gotland) - 29.4%
Danish (Jutland) - 25.6%
Norway Finnmark - 3.4%
German Lower Saxony - 1.8%
North-East English - 4.2%
Spanish Castilla Leon - 18.8%
Portuguese - 1.6%
East Med (Lebanese Shia) - 8%
North Caucasian - 7.2%

Visigoth I12032 had significant Celtic admixture (Welsh-like and Breton-like) as well as Scandinavian Germanic.

In general, I12032 was 1/2 Celto-Germanic and 1/2 Southern European (mostly Iberian but also some East Med).

Interestingly, at least two Visigoths had Paleo-Balkan ancestry. Apparently they absorbed it on their way to Iberia:

Visigoth I12162 can be modeled as 1/3 Danish or North German (Schleswig), 1/5 South German from former Rhaetic-speaking areas (these South Germans are far from being pure Germanic), 1/4 North-East European (either Finnic, Baltic or Slavic - probably all three), over 10% Pre-Slavic Balkan (Bronze Age Croatia, Iron Age Bulgaria) and about 10% Sardinian (extra EEF admixture, likely also absorbed in the Balkans). He also had minor Asian admixture (from Huns etc.?).

Visigoth I12031 - this one had around 1/4 Paleo-Balkan ancestry, also 1/4 North Italian (North-West - like Aosta, and North-Central - like Lombardy; maybe some French Gaulish too), 10% similar to modern North Albanians (so also Balkan likely), 1/5 to 1/4 North-East European (including some Slavic apparently, but not exclusively), 6% North Caucasus (Alans?), 5% local Iberian and 5% East Med (Druze).

Visigoth I12034 - this one was ca. 80-85% Native Iberian, 10-15% Germanic (with some Celtic), 5% Slavic.


"Anyone who wants to understand their matches to all these newly included Iberian matches should really re-read this thread.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38084-Two-Iberia-Papers-with-article/page3

Jovialis
21-05-19, 21:50
The new Superkit (1,224,690 SNPs) I've uploaded to MyTrueAncestry has nearly identical results in both FTDNA, and Ancestry DNA format. Moreover, I get the same exact map and timeline, as well as deep dive (Just the one Mycenaean) The results are exactly the same on Eurogenes K36 Ancient for both formats.

MTA - DNAkit Studio (FTDNA)
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.412) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.3) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.04) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.51) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.02) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.43) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.5) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
10. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.19) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)

MTA - DNAkit Studio (AncestryDNA)
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)

Eurogenes K36 Ancient (FTDNA & AncestryDNA format)

Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% CL38_GreeksouthItalian @ 11.518
2 100% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.270
3 100% CL121__northItalian @ 12.674
4 100% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 13.993
5 100% CL25_south_Italian @ 14.381
6 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 14.583
7 100% SZ40_Italian @ 15.307
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 15.752
9 100% SZ37_Greek_Italian @ 16.584
10 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 16.902

torzio
21-05-19, 21:51
Only change for myself on truancestry is ancient relatives part

Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany

300 BC

Total cM=4.36
Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)


Mycenaean

1350 BC

Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)



Alemannic Bavaria

450 AD

Total cM=2.24
Largest segment=1.25 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 9)







and son's changes are below

Alemannic Bavaria

450 AD

Total cM=10.82
Largest segment=5.56 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 9)





Illyrian / Dalmatia

1200 BC

Total cM=1.66
Largest segment=1.66 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 40)
Largest segment=1.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 42)



Czech Velke Prilepy

0 AD

Total cM=1.06

Largest segment=1.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 42)

pippi
21-05-19, 22:04
I keep seeing some of you mention a superkit. I had to go look that up and it sounds awesome, but is there a simple way to make one for someone incredibly tech challenged like myself? Thanks.

voloh
21-05-19, 22:39
I keep seeing some of you mention a superkit. I had to go look that up and it sounds awesome, but is there a simple way to make one for someone incredibly tech challenged like myself? Thanks.

this is a way i know of:
download this program http://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/
go to the second tab "raw merger", add your raw files and merge them

Jovialis
21-05-19, 22:42
I keep seeing some of you mention a superkit. I had to go look that up and it sounds awesome, but is there a simple way to make one for someone incredibly tech challenged like myself? Thanks.

Scroll down at the bottom to download the zip file:
http://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/

You can merge your raw data with this tool to make a Superkit (i.e. a combination of your various raw data files)

GEDmatch also has a Superkit creation feature, but it is only available with tier 1 membership ($10)

pippi
21-05-19, 23:00
Thanks for the tip, Voloh and Jovialis.

Jovialis
21-05-19, 23:04
Sorry for the cross-post Voloh.

@pippi, no problem

pippi
21-05-19, 23:22
Sorry, a few of more questions...
I have an Ancestry, 23andme and LivingDNA. Which should be the "base file" and what am I supposed to put for output file section? Do I leave all the merge options on the default settings? Thanks again. I told you I am not very tech savvy. ha

Jovialis
21-05-19, 23:37
Sorry, a few of more questions...
I have an Ancestry, 23andme and LivingDNA. Which should be the "base file" and what am I supposed to put for output file section? Do I leave all the merge options on the default settings? Thanks again. I told you I am not very tech savvy. ha

I have been doing a lot of experimenting with gedmatch, and the DNA analyzer in the DNA kit studio software. I find that there should be some general consistency between your results. But with more SNPs you use, you will see there is a trend towards more accurate results.

In terms of format, it really depends on what the calculator you're using, is prioritized for. 23andme format does not work well with MytrueAncestry. Sometimes, results do not show up at all. Though, I've seen people get really decent results with 23andme sometimes. Ancestry, and FTDNA have almost even results in format. I think they are the best for this calculator.

Ancestry, 23andme, and LivingDNA should combine easily. I would recommend putting it in all three formats. But Ancestry usually works really well, I find.

pippi
21-05-19, 23:41
Okay, thanks. I will have to just try to play around with it and figure it out. Looking forward to see how it changes mytrueancestry results.

Carlos
22-05-19, 01:38
These are four of your Visigothic matches:
29. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.6) - I12032 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) (24.16)
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74) - I12162 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
59. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (24.23) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) ((18.79)
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.3) - I12163 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/) ((22.92)

We get similar "fits". Not very good.

I didn't look up the specific y's for each one, but in general the Spanish elite "Visigoths" were not a particularly Germanic group by the time they arrived in Iberia.

As Markod pointed out in the relevant paper:
The 4 males from early Visigothic Pla de l'Horta (Catalonia) are R1b-L51, E-V13, J2a and I. These were Visigothic 'big men' from one of the most important necropolises of the period.

Some of the Visigoths have likely East Eurasian mtDNA too - C4a1a.

The Goths, unlike, it seems to me, the Langobards, very quickly absorbed people as they roamed Europe. The "Ostrogoth" labeled sample mytrueancestry uses couldn't be less "Germanic". Autosomally, this Gothic "high chief" buried in a Kurgan is Aegean Greek/Anatolian and carries J2a1a. (My fit to him is 22.

To this Visigothic sample you get a very good score, your best.

Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.771) - I12034 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)

I was intrigued, so I went back to our thread on the Olade et al 2019 paper, and we discussed the Visigothic Spanish samples a lot.

From Tomenable:
"One Visigoth from Spain -I12031 - clusters with modern Serbs and has Balkan Y-DNA haplogroup E1b1b1a1b1a.

This is Balkan haplogroup E-V13."
Visigoth I12031 - this one had around 1/4 Paleo-Balkan ancestry, also 1/4 North Italian (North-West - like Aosta, and North-Central - like Lombardy; maybe some French Gaulish too), 10% similar to modern North Albanians (so also Balkan likely), 1/5 to 1/4 North-East European (including some Slavic apparently, but not exclusively), 6% North Caucasus (Alans?), 5% local Iberian and 5% East Med (Druze).


I am E-V22 but I do not know if it is possible that my father was E-V13 or my grandfather, I do not know if that is possible or that some E-V22 had reached the Indo-Europeans because these results in MyTrueAncestry are obtained by dna And from any region of Spain I get results by mitochondrial DNA, I have to go to Portugal, Slovenia, etc.

I was looking at all those skeletons in the pdf file that could not be downloaded and I searched Google and I found the skeleton that had caught my attention because of the bones of the legs with that inward inclination like me and my second brother have legs a little inwards.

http://aespa.revistas.csic.es/index.php/aespa/article/viewFile/53/53

I have done this deep research of walking around house totally amateur. The closest value I get from Castilla y León and you were right finally the Alano came out.


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EpflgAGBV24/XOSHUDKTTGI/AAAAAAAAAqI/gHJEzw-76yoYrWIhyi2rDiai0pI9e-t4QCLcBGAs/s1600/xCastillaLe%25C3%25B3n.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mp5VZJrZFGo/XOSHs5GRE8I/AAAAAAAAAqU/8vnqmzp00hg-FxxBEu_zFlYOV3AXf9xuACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainSOUTHDUCH.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VMxAS_JtlgQ/XOSHhYBskJI/AAAAAAAAAqM/T9QfJ_7i3KkbE9orfpHP9kIseu8k5M43wCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCAWESTGERMAN.jpg


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1A78AIfj_Tk/XOSH0n4orGI/AAAAAAAAAqc/CoQxK73xeocU-0FMGk1ZpAMj0B6QQUBawCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCAOSSETIAN.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3HPIsOxCWGA/XOSH7GyWUOI/AAAAAAAAAqg/k8d0UmTHkWUtOEcxbJ2i2iZTbBj3FbzdgCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCAGEORGIA.jpg
"Anyone who wants to understand their matches to all these newly included Iberian matches should really re-read this thread.
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38084-Two-Iberia-Papers-with-article/page3


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p8yUETTMXw0/XORCv9qSG3I/AAAAAAAAAp8/dRLPU7u9Jfgb3nc2Rsd_VOVgQbXUQKutACLcBGAs/s640/visigodogerona.jpg

Proposal for MyTrueAncestry on a section where you can see who were all these people without having to go crazy looking online.

It would also be very interesting if MyTrueAncestry started making a character card for each individual or as many as possible. Who, where, how and when, photographs of the burial, if there is facial reconstruction include it, e.t.c. everything that is known about the ancient character. It would be the bomb, a great disclosure and a closeness for the general public in a more understandable, tangible and close to the multitude of cold data and figures They would cover themselves and earn a lot of money materializing all this data in images. I renounce my percentage, life is so fleeting.

pippi
22-05-19, 02:09
Carlos, that would be amazing! I appreciate they put links to have a jumping off point for research. However, sifting through some of the research papers linked to find the info on each sample is a bit of a pain and pretty dry in some cases.

Carlos
22-05-19, 05:12
Carlos, that would be amazing! I appreciate they put links to have a jumping off point for research. However, sifting through some of the research papers linked to find the info on each sample is a bit of a pain and pretty dry in some cases.

They are dedicated to it. Would it be painful for a mechanic to ask him to fix the car?

Fatherland
22-05-19, 15:07
Wait, so through some algorithms we can now feel that we wuz related to some Ancient people named "Hellenic Roman", "Central Roman", "Visigoths" and so on?

Conclusion: This test is autistic, created for people with identity issues. Of course, the team of Mytrueancestry.com is located in the US, where we wuz is the strongest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrWwpzYOrRI

I'll say it again: yDNA is better for tracing your ancestry than the autosomalautism changing every generation.

Jovialis
22-05-19, 16:23
Wait, so through some algorithms we can now feel that we wuz related to some Ancient people named "Hellenic Roman", "Central Roman", "Visigoths" and so on?

Conclusion: This test is autistic, created for people with identity issues. Of course, the team of Mytrueancestry.com is located in the US, where we wuz is the strongest.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrWwpzYOrRI

I'll say it again: yDNA is better for tracing your ancestry than the autosomalautism changing every generation.

You have received an infraction. If you have an issue with the calculator, you can voice it in a less antagonistic and puerile manner directed at particular nationalities. Spare us the vitriol.

hrvclv
22-05-19, 16:26
Wait, so through some algorithms we can now feel that we wuz related to some Ancient people named "Hellenic Roman", "Central Roman", "Visigoths" and so on?
Conclusion: This test is autistic, created for people with identity issues. Of course, the team of Mytrueancestry.com is located in the US, where we wuz is the strongest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrWwpzYOrRI
I'll say it again: yDNA is better for tracing your ancestry than the autosomalautism changing every generation.

Everyone who visits this forum, let alone contributes to it, is bound to have "identity issues" somehow. And this includes you.

We all need, and cherish, our own private legends and intimate myths. It doesn't imply we should visit a psychoanalyst. And it certainly is nobody else's business.

Edit : oops, sorry, Jovialis. You posted while I was writing.

Duarte
22-05-19, 16:38
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-p8yUETTMXw0/XORCv9qSG3I/AAAAAAAAAp8/dRLPU7u9Jfgb3nc2Rsd_VOVgQbXUQKutACLcBGAs/s640/visigodogerona.jpg

Proposal for MyTrueAncestry on a section where you can see who were all these people without having to go crazy looking online.

It would also be very interesting if MyTrueAncestry started making a character card for each individual or as many as possible. Who, where, how and when, photographs of the burial, if there is facial reconstruction include it, e.t.c. everything that is known about the ancient character. It would be the bomb, a great disclosure and a closeness for the general public in a more understandable, tangible and close to the multitude of cold data and figures They would cover themselves and earn a lot of money materializing all this data in images. I renounce my percentage, life is so fleeting.

I hoped that the combination of ancient peoples in MTA who were closest to modern Iberian populations would be the one corresponding to Portugal. But in my case it ended up being Spanish Castilla La Mancha and Spanish Castilla Y Leon.
I believe I was moved to Spain in the face of the Spanish ancestry of my maternal grandmother's family.

https://i.imgur.com/Hxcq5vc.png
https://i.imgur.com/rQvjfv8.png
https://i.imgur.com/NgdsFqR.png

Carlos
22-05-19, 17:12
I hoped that the combination of ancient peoples in MTA who were closest to modern Iberian populations would be the one corresponding to Portugal. But in my case it ended up being Spanish Castilla La Mancha and Spanish Castilla Y Leon.
I believe I was moved to Spain in the face of the Spanish ancestry of my maternal grandmother's family.

https://i.imgur.com/Hxcq5vc.png
https://i.imgur.com/rQvjfv8.png
https://i.imgur.com/NgdsFqR.png

I have always seen you so Spaniard, even I have Bronze Portugal. And you've taken out Guanche, can you ask for more? I am a lover of Tenerife. One day I picked up a popular pilgrimage from Tenerife and you can not imagine the people who went there, especially women, did not believe, I was stunned, one day I'll tell you.

Angela
22-05-19, 17:49
Mytrueancestry is really going to have to rename these samples. The "Visigoth" to whom they're referring is 85% Native Iberian. The Gepid/Goth Vim 22 is probably the only "Germanic" Goth in their reference set. Out there beyond the borders of people like those of us here don't read academic papers. It's like those silly ads on tv about people changing from kilts to lederhosen or whatever on the basis of the test.

As for this "identity" issues stuff, I take a slightly different view. I really don't think I have one in terms of ethnicity. I'm Italian, have always known that, have always been extremely proud of that, mainly because I was raised that way. When I saw from 23andme that I plotted in modern Italy, right where my ancestry would indicate, it was a confirmation of what I knew. Would I have been upset had it shown I was adopted or something and wasn't Italian? Probably, for a myriad of reasons, most of them far more important than ethnicity.

There's still room for curiosity, though, curiosity about what went into making "us", "us". I didn't get into this hobby to prove I was descended from any particular "tribe". I got into it because I've been studying Italian history since my teens, and this just takes it a step further.

Now, given that I've been studying ancient cultures for decades, I'm bound to have formed opinions about them based on my values and character. Some I like better than others. I've always been partial to the culture of the ancient Minoans and Etruscans. I seem to have an attenuated relationship with one Minoan at least. We'll see about Etruscans. It doesn't change my real identity, which is Italian and always will be.

It seems to me you're the one who has a hang-up about identity, and is aggressive about it as well, given your posts on other threads. It's just that you want to base it on your uniparental signature alone because that reinforces the ancestors you "want" to claim, and lets you ignore all the others.

An example of how wrong both that and an undue reliance on IBD analysis can be:

I carry mtDna U2e. It stems from the Paleolithic in Europe, the earliest "native" Europeans. Should I go around saying I'm the only true native and all the rest of you aren't European? Do you know where it is most often found in ancient samples so far? It's found in steppe people and Corded Ware and northeastern Europeans and Central Europeans.

However, the salient point is that while it is a clue that I have some of that ancestry, the mtDna itself represents only about 2% of all my genes.

Now, in terms of overall genetic relatedness, the comparison of all my genes to all the genes of these people, the fit is very bad, i.e. probably over 24 or something. That's because that mtDna represents only one of my many ancestors.

Or, let's look at IBD, which someone on another thread considers the be all and end all for studying our ancestors and with whom we "should" be identifying. If mytrueancestry is correct, the only snippet of actual IBD I have with the ancient samples for which they have data is Crete Armenoi, a more "steppe" admixed Minoan sample. I score a 4cm snip with her. Yes, I was happy about that, as I like Minoan civilization very much.

Does that mean I should suddenly stop thinking of myself as Italian and start thinking of myself as being Cretan or even Greek? Of course not. My overall relatedness to that sample is about 22. something. It would be ridiculous. My closest overall relatedness to an ancient sample so far is from a place in Hungary where a lot of Roman burials were found: 3.64.

If people posting on these topics would take the time to review some textbooks on population genetics, or even just the tools and statistics involved, a lot of confusion and contentiousness would ameliorate.

matty74
22-05-19, 18:34
I may be off the mark here due to my unfamiliarity with the topic, but I agree with Angela on the "identity" issue. I'm an American and that's how I identify. My family has been here for 2-3 generations and these little samples are only a small part of who I am and what constitutes my family's experience over the last few generations. My grandfathers and uncles shed blood for this country. Anyways, humankind will continue to migrate and evolve and our genetic histories reflect this. It'll be interesting to see how Europe and the rest of the world will look a 1000 years from now. I think it's rather interesting to study history (my first 4 year degree) but I'm wary of tying my ethnicity and identity around such ancient clues, then again being from the "new world" I guess I would have a different perspective on this than native born Europeans (or others for that matter)

Angela
22-05-19, 18:50
I may be off the mark here due to my unfamiliarity with the topic, but I agree with Angela on the "identity" issue. I'm an American and that's how I identify. My family has been here for 2-3 generations and these little samples are only a small part of who I am and what constitutes my family's experience over the last few generations. My grandfathers and uncles shed blood for this country. Anyways, humankind will continue to migrate and evolve and our genetic histories reflect this. It'll be interesting to see how Europe and the rest of the world will look a 1000 years from now. I think it's rather interesting to study history (my first 4 year degree) but I'm wary of tying my ethnicity and identity around such ancient clues, then again being from the "new world" I guess I would have a different perspective on this than native born Europeans (or others for that matter)

I have no more "voting juice" today, but if I did I'd give you an upvote. You couldn't be any more right.

Carlos
22-05-19, 19:19
Maybe the thinking about the ancient ethnic groups made them think they were pure or something. Now it is shown that within the groups or ethnic groups were also mixed that does not make them more or less Goths. We have preconceived ideas maybe about how and what the ancient ethnic groups should have been, now the genetics shows that even the ancient ethnic groups were mixed. The Iberian term is used a lot but many tribes enter there and perhaps different types of mixtures are also given. Why are the Celtiberians ignored when they are from the tribes that may have more data? The Celtiberians may also be labeled as Iberians like that.


The Visigoths of Girona are all Visigoths, it is clear, each in its different proportions. It is a new vision about the ancient ethnic groups.

Angela
22-05-19, 19:41
Maybe the thinking about the ancient ethnic groups made them think they were pure or something. Now it is shown that within the groups or ethnic groups were also mixed that does not make them more or less Goths. We have preconceived ideas maybe about how and what the ancient ethnic groups should have been, now the genetics shows that even the ancient ethnic groups were mixed. The Iberian term is used a lot but many tribes enter there and perhaps different types of mixtures are also given. Why are the Celtiberians ignored when they are from the tribes that may have more data? The Celtiberians may also be labeled as Iberians like that.


The Visigoths of Girona are all Visigoths, it is clear, each in its different proportions. It is a new vision about the ancient ethnic groups.

Well, then, perhaps the "Visigoth" to whom a lot of Spaniards are pretty related should be renamed "Spanish Visigoth", because the Goths of history originated in Denmark and spoke a Germanic tongue. They were not like this person at all, nor like the Ostrogoth on the Black Sea. Clearly this particular person was basically a native Iberian who had been absorbed into the Visigothic culture. Historical accuracy is important, as is genetic accuracy. From the evidence of these samples, actual "Germanic" influx into Iberia was very small, as Ralph and Coop et al pointed out a number of years ago.

You were right when you said that mytrueancestry should provide a lot more information on these people.

hrvclv
22-05-19, 19:42
On identity : "The tree becomes strong in the wind" (Seneca : Non est arbor solida nec fortis nisi quam frequens ventus incursat)

The tree is all the stronger as its roots run deep. Geography is destiny, but history is identity. Now what is "identiy"? Gnothi seauton - know thyself - , is the stupidest thing Socrates ever produced. How could I know myself? I am a very different person when at work, or when attending to my forests, in dirty jeans and drenched in sweat, or alone with my wife, or with my mum, or when rolling over the carpet with my grandchildren. Others cast roles upon me, impose on me images that challenge my own perceptions of myself. I am multiple, and I keep changing as I grow older. Which facet of me is the "true" one? One, none, all of them? Even looking inside, I find my own contradictions confusing. And after all, does it matter?

What matters is what I want to be, my effort to stick to virtues and values I have chosen for myself, my effort to get an inch closer to that ideal "self" I have devised. It's an uphill battle, but the only one worth fighting. So everything goes, what I have read, seen, experienced, achieved or flunked, my upbringing and my culture. The innate and the acquired. Voltaire and Descartes made me who I am. Lamartine and Sully Prudhomme made me who I am. Conrad and Golding, even Tennyson made me who I am. My dad made me who I am, every time he kicked my a-- to teach me to behave.

But also, my dreams make me who I am. What would I be without my dreams? They lift me up above the ordinary, the easy way out, the lazy options.

If genetic analyses root me deeper into what I want to be, well, I am grateful for that. The tree gets stronger, and so much the better. What truth there is in the dream is irrelevant. What matters is whether it helps. My known ancestors were farmers most of them, or blacksmiths, or cartwrights... Were they as tenacious as I like to think they were? Who cares, as long as it feeds my energy.

Leave me my dreams, my myths, my legends. They are my truest self.

Duarte
22-05-19, 19:47
I may be off the mark here due to my unfamiliarity with the topic, but I agree with Angela on the "identity" issue. I'm an American and that's how I identify. My family has been here for 2-3 generations and these little samples are only a small part of who I am and what constitutes my family's experience over the last few generations. My grandfathers and uncles shed blood for this country. Anyways, humankind will continue to migrate and evolve and our genetic histories reflect this. It'll be interesting to see how Europe and the rest of the world will look a 1000 years from now. I think it's rather interesting to study history (my first 4 year degree) but I'm wary of tying my ethnicity and identity around such ancient clues, then again being from the "new world" I guess I would have a different perspective on this than native born Europeans (or others for that matter)

Hi matty,
I give you the positive vote that Angela can not give you, because I yet have one.
Ethnicity does not matter. It matters the culture. For those who like history it is interesting to know where their ancestors could have transited in a remote past. But this past and this history do not belong only to you or your supposed tribal group or your country.This past and this history is shared with a good part of humanity. Are shared with billions of people. I do not want to be a Gallo-Roman, Visigoth or Illyric, much less I want to live the life they lived, or label me as one of them. I do not belong to any tribal group. I'm just a Brazilian and I'm very happy to be just that.

torzio
22-05-19, 19:56
I hoped that the combination of ancient peoples in MTA who were closest to modern Iberian populations would be the one corresponding to Portugal. But in my case it ended up being Spanish Castilla La Mancha and Spanish Castilla Y Leon.
I believe I was moved to Spain in the face of the Spanish ancestry of my maternal grandmother's family.

https://i.imgur.com/Hxcq5vc.png


.................................................. .

son changed also

Gaul + Gallo-Roman (5.28)
Gaul + Illyrian (6.815)
Gaul (8.252)
Gallo-Roman (8.921)
Illyrian (9.498)
https://i.imgur.com/rQvjfv8.png
https://i.imgur.com/NgdsFqR.png

mine has finally changed from Gallo-Roman to
Roman-Illyrian .................though the picture stayed the same

https://i.postimg.cc/cJyt0dHN/gallo-illyrian.png

...............................

Son has also changed to

Gaul + Gallo-Roman (5.28)
Gaul + Illyrian (6.815)
Gaul (8.252)
Gallo-Roman (8.921)
Illyrian (9.498)
(https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
22-05-19, 20:17
mine has finally changed from Gallo-Roman to
Roman-Illyrian .................though the picture stayed the same

https://i.postimg.cc/cJyt0dHN/gallo-illyrian.png

...............................

Son has also changed to

Gaul + Gallo-Roman (5.28)
Gaul + Illyrian (6.815)
Gaul (8.252)
Gallo-Roman (8.921)
Illyrian (9.498)
(https://postimages.org/)

Nice torzio :good_job::smile:

Regio X
23-05-19, 00:43
deleted by poster

Regio X
23-05-19, 01:36
Mine hasn't changed that much.

I'm too lazy to upload all the images again, so here is just a "copy and paste".

(Another time I try FTDNA data. Anyway, according to those first runs, results with FTDNA data and 23andMe data are very similar.)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mine - 23andMe v4

Closest Ancient Population: Illyrian

Illyrians - Gallo-Romans - Gauls

Illyrian (3.516)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (4.535)
Gaul + Illyrian (4.682)
Gallo-Roman (7.505)
Gaul (9.844)

Ancient Samples

1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (3.516) - [Upgrade for more details]
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (5.833) - [Upgrade for more details]
3. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (6.048) - [Upgrade for more details]
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.505) - [Upgrade for more details]
5. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.346) - [Upgrade for more details]
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.844) - [Upgrade for more details]
7. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.868) - [Upgrade for more details]
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.12) - [Upgrade for more details]
9. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (11.39) - [Upgrade for more details]
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.49) - [Upgrade for more details]
11. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.49) - [Upgrade for more details]
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.74) - [Upgrade for more details]
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.02) - [Upgrade for more details]
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.57) - [Upgrade for more details]
15. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (12.86) - [Upgrade for more details]
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.48) - [Upgrade for more details]
17. Central Roman (590 AD) (13.6) - [Upgrade for more details]
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.64) - [Upgrade for more details]
19. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (13.73) - [Upgrade for more details]
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.07) - [Upgrade for more details]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Father's - 23andMe v4

Closest Ancient Population: Thracian

Thracians - Illyrians - Romans

Roman + Thracian (5.934)
Roman + Illyrian (5.934)
Thracian (7.724)
Illyrian (7.724)
Roman (8.274)

Ancient Samples

1. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (7.724) - [Upgrade for more details]
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.724) - [Upgrade for more details]
3. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.274) - [Upgrade for more details]
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.403) - [Upgrade for more details]
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.418) - [Upgrade for more details]
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.483) - [Upgrade for more details]
7. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.786) - [Upgrade for more details]
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.18) - [Upgrade for more details]
9. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.32) - [Upgrade for more details]
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.32) - [Upgrade for more details]
11. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (10.84) - [Upgrade for more details]
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.94) - [Upgrade for more details]
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.1) - [Upgrade for more details]
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.83) - [Upgrade for more details]
15. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (11.89) - [Upgrade for more details]
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.9) - [Upgrade for more details]
17. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (12.27) - [Upgrade for more details]
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.47) - [Upgrade for more details]
19. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (12.86) - [Upgrade for more details]
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.94) - [Upgrade for more details]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Mother's - 23andMe v4

Closest Ancient Population: Gaul and Thracian

Gauls - Thracians - Illyrians

Gaul + Thracian (2.773)
Gaul + Illyrian (2.773)
Gaul (6.212)
Illyrian (7.432)
Thracian (7.715)

Ancient Samples

1. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (5.775) - [Upgrade for more details]
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (6.212) - [Upgrade for more details]
3. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (7.432) - [Upgrade for more details]
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (7.715) - [Upgrade for more details]
5. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (7.715) - [Upgrade for more details]
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.45) - [Upgrade for more details]
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.606) - [Upgrade for more details]
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.01) - [Upgrade for more details]
9. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (10.02) - [Upgrade for more details]
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.31) - [Upgrade for more details]
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.43) - [Upgrade for more details]
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.71) - [Upgrade for more details]
13. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (11.01) - [Upgrade for more details]
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.07) - [Upgrade for more details]
15. Central Roman (670 AD) (11.22) - [Upgrade for more details]
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.29) - [Upgrade for more details]
17. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.4) - [Upgrade for more details]
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (11.52) - [Upgrade for more details]
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (12.43) - [Upgrade for more details]
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.89) - [Upgrade for more details]


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

torzio
23-05-19, 07:56
my Wife's results ,
she is mtdna - K1a4o
ydna - R1a-Z282



Gaul + Thracian (4.378)
Gaul + Illyrian (4.378)
Gaul (6.716)
Thracian (8.715)
Illyrian (8.715)



Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (6.716) - [Upgrade for more details]
2. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (8.715) - [Upgrade for more details]
3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (8.715) - [Upgrade for more details]
4. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (8.97) - [Upgrade for more details]
5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (10.04) - [Upgrade for more details]
6. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (10.12) - [Upgrade for more details]
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (10.26) - [Upgrade for more details]
8. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (10.41) - [Upgrade for more details]
9. Central Roman (670 AD) (10.59) - [Upgrade for more details]
10. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (11.23) - [Upgrade for more details]
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (11.64) - [Upgrade for more details]
12. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (11.66) - [Upgrade for more details]
13. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (11.83) - [Upgrade for more details]
14. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.88) - [Upgrade for more details]
15. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.96) - [Upgrade for more details]
16. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.96) - [Upgrade for more details]
17. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (12.19) - [Upgrade for more details]

Regio X
23-05-19, 12:57
I wonder if anyone here has info abt. this Iberian / Piedmont individual. He/she shows up at the top of my mother's list.


my Wife's results ,
she is mtdna - K1a4o
ydna - R1a-Z282
Gaul + Thracian (4.378)
Gaul + Illyrian (4.378)
Gaul (6.716)
Thracian (8.715)
Illyrian (8.715)
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (6.716) - [Upgrade for more details]
2. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (8.715) - [Upgrade for more details]
3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (8.715) - [Upgrade for more details]
4. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (8.97) - [Upgrade for more details]
5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (10.04) - [Upgrade for more details]
6. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (10.12) - [Upgrade for more details]
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (10.26) - [Upgrade for more details]
8. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (10.41) - [Upgrade for more details]
9. Central Roman (670 AD) (10.59) - [Upgrade for more details]
10. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (11.23) - [Upgrade for more details]
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (11.64) - [Upgrade for more details]
12. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (11.66) - [Upgrade for more details]
13. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (11.83) - [Upgrade for more details]
14. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.88) - [Upgrade for more details]
15. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.96) - [Upgrade for more details]
16. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.96) - [Upgrade for more details]
17. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (12.19) - [Upgrade for more details]Her ancestry is Eastern/Northern Treviso, right? Results somewhat similar to my mother's.

Carlos
23-05-19, 14:06
Iberian / Piedmont. Who was that man?

Duarte
23-05-19, 15:29
Iberian / Piedmont. Who was that man?

Hello Carlos:

Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) - CL94 - Ancient sample from Collegno, Italy from 400-800 AD - See the article below:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-d4aAlPxHnKWI8QzkYmc9oGU6NvpDYW0


Other discussion: Guanches - You told me quickly about them and I did not know nothing about the Guanches.

In the last revision of the calculator nMonte3 Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com (http://yourdnaportal.com/) was shown the results displayed after soon, below of this my text.

I have found that the sample I3578_EMA_Andalusia is Guanche, according to the work "The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years" by Reich et al:
* I3578 / grave 29: 400-600 CE;
* I3578 SE_Iberia - c.5-8CE - NE_Iberia - c.6-8CE_ES - Guanche.

On the Guanches, I discovered that they are indigenous to the Canaries (I have always wanted to be a descendant of indigenous peoples) and that they have the following physical characteristics:


Portuguese Wikipedia:
"The physical characteristics of the Guanches, with their complexion and clear eyes, sometimes blond hair and high stature, led some researchers to attribute to it a Germanic or Celtic origin, linking their presence to the migrations of Vandals and Visigoths in North Africa. However, more recent evidence points to the inclusion of the Guanches in the Proto-Berber peoples who colonized northern Africa, from Egypt to present-day Mauritania, in much earlier times (13,000 to 15,000 years ago)".

English Wikipedia:
"a village whose inhabitants were often fair haired with long and flaxen hair and the women of a rare beauty"

https://i.imgur.com/DNQcS7k.png
https://i.imgur.com/QNIlM1R.png
https://i.imgur.com/yJ1Povm.png
https://i.imgur.com/FbiuhL1.png
https://i.imgur.com/K0bR36r.png
The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years" by Reich et al:

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf

Big hug dear friend:)

Angela
23-05-19, 15:42
Iberian / Piedmont. Who was that man?

It's a sample from the Langobard cemetery at Collegno, Italy, which is in Piedmont. They made up the name because he's relatively close to Iberians.

Duarte gets 8.625 and you get 9.145. I'm further away.

There are probably more details in the paper.

Regio X
23-05-19, 16:11
Then I guess they should rename it to Venetian / Piedmont. ahaha


Hello Carlos:
Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) - CL94 - Ancient sample from Collegno, Italy from 400-800 AD - See the article below:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-d4aAlPxHnKWI8QzkYmc9oGU6NvpDYW0Thanks, Duarte!

kingjohn
23-05-19, 16:24
i tried the k36 nmonte with ancients
in your dna portal site
these are my results :

Closest population distances
Population Distance
EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1 1.265986 who was he ? :thinking:
CL30_Greek_south-Italian 1.549172
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.609881
CL25_south_Italian 1.698788
CL31_Greek_Balkan 1.805071
CL121__north-Italian 1.861326
SZ36_north-Italian 1.911616
I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 1.933206

Population Value
EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1 38.2
CL30_Greek_south-Italian 6.6
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 6.6
CL25_south_Italian 4.6
I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 4
MA2198_Anatolia_IA 3.8
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 3.6
SZ36_north-Italian 3
N_Levant_AinGhazal5 2.2
i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 2
BA_Sydon 1.8
CHL_Iran_I1662 1.4
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 1.4
BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi 1.2
CHL_Iran_I1665 1.2
CL31_Greek_Balkan 1.2
Crimean_Goth_Ker_1 1.2
Egyptian_mummy_III_jk2911_ 1.2
IA_LevantEgypt_Gladiator_3DRIF26 1.2
EBA__Armenia_I1635 1
Late_Medieval_Iran_I1955 1
CL23_north-Italian 0.8
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.8
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.8
BA_Hungary_RISE254 0.6
CHL_Armenia_I1634 0.6
CHL_Iran_I1674 0.6
EIA_F38_Iran 0.6
Egyptian_mumy_I_JK2888_ 0.6
BA_I9041_Mycenaean 0.4
CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.4
CHL_Iran_I1661 0.4
EBA_Jordan__I1730 0.4
LBA_Lithuania_RISE598 0.4
MBA_Armenia_RISE423 0.4
MN_Germany_I0559 0.4
SZ32_north-Italian 0.4
SZ43_north-Italian 0.4
CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.2
CL121__north-Italian 0.2
EBA_Armenia_I1633 0.2
EMA_Alpine_STR_535 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
I1152_Israel_chalcolithic 0.2
I3496_Iberian_Catalonia_200BCE 0.2
IA_Britain_York_6DRIF22 0.2
LN_Portugal_Monte_Canelas_1 0.2
MBA_ATP9_Iberia 0.2
N_Iran_I1945 0.2
SZ40_Italian 0.2
Visigoth_I12032 0.2

Salento
23-05-19, 17:08
... from a new upload:
... same Ancient pop, different timeline, and deep dive has Illyrians, Minoans, Central Roman, ...

https://i.imgur.com/sMMs2kc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JTfFFh4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9sH2jEw.jpg


couple of Mycenaeans from others RawD:

https://i.imgur.com/Oa3gkTY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KP3nPCF.jpg


Comparing Kit UU6914129 (SZ32) Central Roman
Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 1.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cm's
All SNPs used.



Chr
B37 Start Pos'n
B37 End Pos'n
SNPs
Centimorgans (cM)
Q


4
32,653,512
34,871,955
118
1.69
7.0




Chr
B37 Start Pos'n
B37 End Pos'n
SNPs
Centimorgans (cM)
Q


18
38,728,795
39,822,393
129
1.09
18.0



Total cM: 2.79
Largest segment cM: 1.69
Total segments: 2
Total gap-induced breaks: 3
Max gap: 2.34
..... gap: priv.. on chromosome 8
Top 10 Q scores:
Q-score: 18.00
Q-score: 7.00
——————


from Google:
Name: SZ32
1 Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.228703
1 Greek_Macedonia + Greek_Phokaia + Greek_Smyrna + Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS @ 2.410945

torzio
23-05-19, 19:16
I wonder if anyone here has info abt. this Iberian / Piedmont individual. He/she shows up at the top of my mother's list.
Her ancestry is Eastern/Northern Treviso, right? Results somewhat similar to my mother's.

yes, you are correct

her maternal lines ...................1719 is the oldest we can go back is from http://www.comune.annoneveneto.ve.it/
through to San Stino di Livenza

She matches 2 x italians from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnic_Alps through to Villach Austria ( surname Zaccar )
Ftdna also has only one Bulgarian and 1 Finn , she also matches

Salento
23-05-19, 21:04
... New Upload #2 (NG H) same Ancient pop., different timeline, deep dive has Illyrian, Tracian, Minoan, Central Roman, ...

https://i.imgur.com/H7TLLc6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eMDih9j.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hjEUN1H.jpg

Angela
23-05-19, 21:05
Placement on a PCA is not going to determine to whom any of these samples are most closely related. Don't get me wrong: I like PCAs. They're easy to visualize. However, we need all of the statistical tools as well, old as well as new.

I know some people would desperately like Etruscans to be related to their chosen group, or early Romans, or later Imperial Romans, and on and on for every ancient sample. Some people want them to be more "northern"; some more "southern".

The analysis will show what it will show. The important thing is to finally settle some of the greatest mysteries we have about the "identity" of ancient peoples.

@Salento,
No change for me in terms of IBD yet.

If I believed this was the only type of valid analysis, I'd think I was solely descended from Crete Armenoi, since I have an over 4cm match with her.

Alas, my autosomal fit is 22.

So, there you go. :)

Salento
23-05-19, 22:32
@Angela MTA limits my uploads. My old kits are gone, but those results all over this Thread :)

Caio G. Cesare kit :grin: (new) Ancient Samples:

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.64) - SZ36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
2. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (11.98) - SZ40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (12.52) - CL121 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
4. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (12.6) - SZ19 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
5. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.69) - SZ32 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
6. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (13.8) - I9041 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.09) - SZ43 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
8. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (14.19) - CL30 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
9. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (15.43) - CL25 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
10. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (15.91) - MA2208 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
11. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (16.07) - CL38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
12. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (16.11)- I3575 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
13. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.14) - I3808 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
14. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.73) - CL36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
15. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.87) - I9010 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
16. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (17.08) - I3980 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
17. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (17.11) - I9033 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (17.13) - I7424 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
19. Minoan (2000 BC) (17.33) - I9129 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
20. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (18.39) - I9006 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
21. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (19.28) - Ker1
22. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (20.11) - MA2206 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
23. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (20.42) - I3581 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
24. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (20.42) - I4930
25. Minoan (2000 BC) (20.56) - I9005 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
26. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (20.81) - I0184
27. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (20.99) - I3576 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
28. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (21.27) - I3582 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
29. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.54) - I0071 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
30. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (21.56) - I3983 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
31. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (21.72) - I3981 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
32. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (22.53)- I7425 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
33. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (22.78) - SZ28 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
34. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.21) - CL23 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
35. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (23.26) - scy192 (http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457)
36. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.32) - I9130 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
37. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.34) - I0074 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
38. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (23.48)- I2515 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
39. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.78) - I0070 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
40. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (23.85) - I4332 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
41. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (23.85) - I5769 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25778)
42. Hittite Anatolia (1675 BC) (23.98) - MA2200 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6396/eaar7711)
43. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (24.04)- I2514 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
44. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (24.36)- I2647 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
45. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (24.75)- I2644 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
46. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (25.37) - I3313 (http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
47. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (25.5) - Rise397 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
48. Minoan (2000 BC) (25.55) - I0073 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310)
49. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (25.82) - I12031 (https://ellipse.prbb.org/reconstructing-the-genetic-map-of-the-last-8000-years-in-the-iberian-peninsula/)
50. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.01) - I9131 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14507)
51. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (26.02) - I3982 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
52. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (26.2) - I3585 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
53. Samaritan (2000 AD) (26.59) - Unknown
54. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (27.06) - SZ45 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
55. Canaanite (1600 BC) (27.36) - ERS1790729 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/142448v1)
56. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (27.38) - SZ18 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
57. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (27.83) - Vim2
58. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (27.87)- I2649 (https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/2019_Olalde_Science_IberiaTransect_Supplement.pdf)
59. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (27.9) - CL57 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4)
60. Ancient Egypt (650 BC) (28.16) - JK2134 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694)

Salento
24-05-19, 05:26
... new upload #3 (XXIII V) :)
https://i.imgur.com/T55i6lD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s26JTYG.jpg