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Duarte
24-05-19, 12:46
... new upload #3 (XXIII V) :)
https://i.imgur.com/T55i6lD.jpg


Hi Salento.
Nice. :good_job: I'd like to ask you a question. In the previous post you posted as Caio G. Cesare (Caio Júlio César, in Portuguese) and, in this, you posting as his rival, Marco Antonio? LOL. I think Cleopatra must be a bit confused. LOL. My younger brother is called Marco Antonio, and my first name is also composed: Fernando César (Fernando, by my father's request, that was his name, César, a Portuguese form of the Latin Caesar, by my mother's request). Now you know almost my complete real name. Fernando César P. Duarte. LOL. P. is a 100% Portuguese surname but, for now, I will not say what it is. For someone of Portuguese ancestry it is easily deductible. LOLLOL. :laughing: Hugs my dear friend.:grin:

Carlos
24-05-19, 14:24
My last name is attributed to a gentleman of the Cid. I spoke online with a genealogist who, because of the provenance in Montejaque (Malaga), told me that it could be from a Valencian settler and that the surname had been castellanized through the census, and I discovered that it used to be done in those times. Maybe later I'll do the genealogical study.

Duarte
24-05-19, 14:30
My last name is attributed to a gentleman of the Cid. I spoke online with a genealogist who, because of the provenance in Montejaque (Malaga), told me that it could be from a Valencian settler and that the surname had been castellanized through the census, and I discovered that it used to be done in those times. Maybe later I'll do the genealogical study.

Hello Carlos.

Good morning. As the hour of Spain is 5 hours after the hour of Brasilia, I'll give you good afternoon :good_job::smile:

Salento
24-05-19, 14:54
@Duarte
Cleopatra loved Italian Men, Obviously :) Caesar and Mark Antony live through You & Bro!

I chose those names to defy Dr. @Fatherland “Identity Crisis” diagnosis. LOL

I know that I sound totally arrogant, but that's the point, by naming my Kits Cesare, Marco Antonio, and Caligola I’m doubling down and confirming: “I’m comfortable in my own skin” regardless of genetic accuracy.

And it’s also Fun! :)

Duarte
24-05-19, 15:41
@Duarte
Cleopatra loved Italian Men, Obviously :) Caesar and Mark Antony live through You & Bro!

I chose those names to defy Dr. @Fatherland “Identity Crisis” diagnosis. LOL

I know that I sound totally arrogant, but that's the point, by naming my Kits Cesare, Marco Antonio, and Caligola I’m doubling down and confirming: “I’m comfortable in my own skin” regardless of genetic accuracy.

And it’s also Fun! :)

LMAO :laughing:

Big hug and a nice weekend dear friend :good_job::smile:

Regio X
24-05-19, 20:56
Placement on a PCA is not going to determine to whom any of these samples are most closely related. Don't get me wrong: I like PCAs. They're easy to visualize. However, we need all of the statistical tools as well, old as well as new.

I know some people would desperately like Etruscans to be related to their chosen group, or early Romans, or later Imperial Romans, and on and on for every ancient sample. Some people want them to be more "northern"; some more "southern".

The analysis will show what it will show. The important thing is to finally settle some of the greatest mysteries we have about the "identity" of ancient peoples.Indeed. I was just kidding when I suggested he could be Venetian, even if the guy had shared ancestry with Iberians rather than being Iberian properly. ;-)
MTA results shouldn't be taken literally anyway, as I myself pointed out in this thread. For example, the Illyrian as my closest pop may be useful as a clue, but the distance suggested by the tool must be just "accidental", after all, even if Illyrian and I share ancestry, Veneto was influenced by several other different people in the last millennia, including Romans (South Italians). So... I'm certainly not an Illyrian living fossil. :) On the other hand, Venetians must be related to them in a significant way, compared to many other Italians. I wonder, in Venetian context, if it has something to do with Adriatic Veneti bringing this type of ancestry from Balkans?

Soon we'll have more Etruscans, Romans etc. samples. It'll be interesting to see how we're related to them according to MyTrueAncestry.

As for wanting Romans to be more Northern (Italian?) or Southern, well... It is what it is, as you always say. I think "knowing" how it likely was is better than "what" it was per se. I.e., the biggest pleasure is mostly in having an answer imo. Any, as long as we know it must be close enough to the truth. But of course, when our own ancestry is well explained, it's even better, 'cause the intellectual curiosity tend to be higher here. Normal. I'm particularly happy in knowing Italian genetic history is being studied more deeply.

Plus, If I understand right the leak, even if the first Latins to reach Latium were North Italian-like, they soon became South Italian-like. So the "glory" of Rome would have correlated to a "Southern" autosomal, yes? If I'm not missing something, they did what they did, achieve what they achieve, already as Southerners, in the fashion of Greeks. :)

@Duarte
Do you have by any chance info on this Cisalpine Gaul individual? I confess I didn't know abt. the existance of such sample.


While it may provide clues on real ancestry or shared ancestry, in my opinion it should not be taken too literally.

Duarte
24-05-19, 22:42
@Duarte
Do you have by any chance info on this Cisalpine Gaul individual? I confess I didn't know abt. the existance of such sample.

Hello Regio X

Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) - SZ45 - Szólád - Pannonia;

https://i.imgur.com/8csc4Gg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SfDcuRY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KTr6Aly.jpg

You can see more details on the same paper about the Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.625) - CL94, from Collegno.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-d4aAlPxHnKWI8QzkYmc9oGU6NvpDYW0/view?usp=drivesdk

hrvclv
24-05-19, 23:01
Hello Regio X

Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) - SZ45 - Szólád - Pannonia;

https://i.imgur.com/8csc4Gg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SfDcuRY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KTr6Aly.jpg

You can see more details on the same paper about the Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.625) - CL94, from Collegno.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-d4aAlPxHnKWI8QzkYmc9oGU6NvpDYW0/view?usp=drivesdk

Forgive my ignorance, but what do TSI and IBS stand for next to the red and greenish squares in the key ?

Angela
24-05-19, 23:26
Indeed. I was just kidding when I suggested he could be Venetian, even if the guy had shared ancestry with Iberians rather than being Iberian properly. ;-)
MTA results shouldn't be taken literally anyway, as I myself pointed out in this thread. For example, the Illyrian as my closest pop may be useful as a clue, but the distance suggested by the tool must be just "accidental", after all, even if Illyrian and I share ancestry, Veneto was influenced by several other different people in the last millennia, including Romans (South Italians). So... I'm certainly not an Illyrian living fossil. :) On the other hand, Venetians must be related to them in a significant way, compared to many other Italians. I wonder, in Venetian context, if it has something to do with Adriatic Veneti bringing this type of ancestry from Balkans?

Soon we'll have more Etruscans, Romans etc. samples. It'll be interesting to see how we're related to them according to MyTrueAncestry.

As for wanting Romans to be more Northern (Italian?) or Southern, well... It is what it is, as you always say. I think "knowing" how it likely was is better than "what" it was per se. I.e., the biggest pleasure is mostly in having an answer imo. Any, as long as we know it must be close enough to the truth. But of course, when our own ancestry is well explained, it's even better, 'cause the intellectual curiosity tend to be higher here. Normal. I'm particularly happy in knowing Italian genetic history is being studied more deeply.

Plus, If I understand right the leak, even if the first Latins to reach Latium were North Italian-like, they soon became South Italian-like. So the "glory" of Rome would have correlated to a "Southern" autosomal, yes? If I'm not missing something, they did what they did, achieve what they achieve, already as Southerners, in the fashion of Greeks. :)

@Duarte
Do you have by any chance info on this Cisalpine Gaul individual? I confess I didn't know abt. the existance of such sample.

You never even came to my mind in this context, Regio. You're one of the most objective of posters. Some people do, however, have, for personal reasons, their own "ax to grind" as they say in America. :)

This is all conjecture until we have the samples from Moots, this paper if it's different, and hopefully, future ones from lots of other cultures in Italy, including some Terramare, samples from the ancient Veneto, from the Ligures and Celt Ligurians, some samples from the Neolithic and Bronze Age in Calabria, eastern Sicily, Puglia, colonization sites in Magna Graecia, Classical Greece including the islands and on and on, even Greek settlements in Rhodes, for example, or Phocaea.

So, my ideas are just "guesses" as are those of other people here and on other sites. I'm certainly not married to mine, and neither should they be married to theirs.

As for the "accomplishments" of the Romans, they span a huge period from the beginning of the Republic to the Imperial period to the fall. Different types of people may have contributed relatively more to one period than to another. Were the founders and early leaders of the Republic, particularly the "patricians", more "Northern Italian" like? I don't know. Were people like Cicero, a plebeian, more "Northern Italian" like or as a Plebeian more "Southern Italian" like? , Niebur, a 19th century historian, thought the Plebeians were foreigners who settled in early Roman who got citizenship. I don't know and maybe we'll never know. Even if they were foreigners, foreigners from where? Or were they the "original" inhabitants when the Latini arrived? I don't know yet.

"From 494 to 287 BC, the so-called "Conflict of the Orders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_the_Orders)" resulted in the establishment of plebeian offices (the tribunes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune) and plebeian aediles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedile)), the publication of the laws (the Law of the Twelve Tables (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tables)), the establishment of the right of plebeian–patrician intermarriage (by the passage of the Lex Canuleia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Canuleia)), the opening of the highest offices of government and some state priesthoods to the plebeians and passage of legislation (the Lex Hortensia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Hortensia)) that made resolutions passed by the assembly of plebeians, the concilium plebis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concilium_plebis), binding on all citizens."

This inclusion of other groups, often hostile groups, was part of the genius of the Romans, and the thing I like best about them.

"During the Second Samnite War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Samnite_War) (326–304 BC), plebeians who had risen to power through these social reforms began to acquire the aura of nobilitas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobiles), "nobility" (more literally "notability"), marking the creation of a ruling elite of nobiles that allied the interests of patricians and noble plebeians.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs#cite_note-2) From the mid-4th century to the early 3rd century BC, several plebeian–patrician "tickets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticket_(election))" for the consulship repeated joint terms, suggesting a deliberate political strategy of cooperation.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs#cite_note-3) Although nobilitas was not a formal social rank during the Republican era, in general, a plebeian who had attained the consulship was regarded as having brought nobility to his family. Such a man was a novus homo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_homo) ("new man"), a self-made noble, and his sons and descendants were nobiles.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs#cite_note-4)"Marius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius) and Cicero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero) are notable examples of novi homines in the late Republic, when many of Rome's richest and most powerful men—such as Lucullus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucullus), Crassus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Crassus), and Pompeius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey_the_Great)—were plebeian nobles. Some or perhaps many noble plebeians, including Cicero and Lucullus, aligned their political interests with the faction of Optimates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimates), conservatives who sought to preserve senatorial (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_senate) prerogatives. By contrast, the Populares (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populares), which sought to champion the plebs in the sense of "common people", were sometimes led by patricians such as Julius Caesar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar) and Clodius Pulcher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clodius_Pulcher)."


Marius famously married into the family of Julius Caesar. By the time of the Empire, we have people like Agrippa, a plebeian of low birth who married into the family of Augustus and whose descendants were Emperors . Was he part "Southern Italian" like? Then we have Livy, who seems to have been from Northern Italy. Many of the engineers who built all those roads and aqueducts all over Europe, and formed the first legions, and managed provinces, and worked in the law courts, helping to create the basis of the law of much of Europe, would have included many Southern Italian like "Romans".

Going all the way back to the earlier Romans, there would have been no Rome without the Etruscans, from whom they borrowed a great deal. However, from whom did the Etruscans learn those things? They learned from the Greeks and the Phoenicians. Cultures build one upon another. Modern populations are similarly one layer of ancient groups on top of another, then subject to drift.

I think there's plenty of "glory" to go around. I find the kind of hyper-identification of certain people on other sites with one group they want to claim as ancestors to the exclusion of all others, and the actual attempt, certainly in the past, to actually want to change the "ethnicity" of certain groups because they don't like their modern descendants really upsetting as well as clearly just wrong both factually and ethically.

Now I sound like a preachy Sunday school teacher, and in a response to someone who has nothing at all to do with the issues that bother me, but I guess I just took the opportunity to "unload" a little bit. Sorry. :)

Duarte
24-05-19, 23:30
Forgive my ignorance, but what do TSI and IBS stand for next to the red and greenish squares in the key ?

Answer:There are 26 different populations which are part of our study from many different locations around the globe. The following table lists these populations and indicates what data we currently have available for them.


Population Code
Population Description
Super Population Code
Sequence Data Available
Alignment Data Available
Variant Data Available


CHB
Han Chinese in Beijing, China
EAS
1
1
1


JPT
Japanese in Tokyo, Japan
EAS
1
1
1


CHS
Southern Han Chinese
EAS
1
1
1


CDX
Chinese Dai in Xishuangbanna, China
EAS
1
1
1


KHV
Kinh in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
EAS
1
1
1


CEU
Utah Residents (CEPH) with Northern and Western European Ancestry
EUR
1
1
1


TSI
Toscani in Italia
EUR
1
1
1


FIN
Finnish in Finland
EUR
1
1
1


GBR
British in England and Scotland
EUR
1
1
1


IBS
Iberian Population in Spain
EUR
1
1
1


YRI
Yoruba in Ibadan, Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


LWK
Luhya in Webuye, Kenya
AFR
1
1
1


GWD
Gambian in Western Divisions in the Gambia
AFR
1
1
1


MSL
Mende in Sierra Leone
AFR
1
1
1


ESN
Esan in Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


ASW
Americans of African Ancestry in SW USA
AFR
1
1
1


ACB
African Caribbeans in Barbados
AFR
1
1
1


MXL
Mexican Ancestry from Los Angeles USA
AMR
1
1
1


PUR
Puerto Ricans from Puerto Rico
AMR
1
1
1


CLM
Colombians from Medellin, Colombia
AMR
1
1
1


PEL
Peruvians from Lima, Peru
AMR
1
1
1


GIH
Gujarati Indian from Houston, Texas
SAS
1
1
1


PJL
Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan
SAS
1
1
1


BEB
Bengali from Bangladesh
SAS
1
1
1


STU
Sri Lankan Tamil from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


ITU
Indian Telugu from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


These populations have been divided into 5 super populations


AFR, African
AMR, Ad Mixed American
EAS, East Asian
EUR, European
SAS, South Asian

Salento
24-05-19, 23:33
EDIT... delete... redundant...

Angela
24-05-19, 23:38
That Iberian sample is half Catalan, and half from Andalusia, but I don't know whether it's the western or eastern half, which, from what I remember, skew somewhat differently.

Some people make a distinction between TSI and other Tuscan samples, claiming TSI is more "southern". I get hits to both and the differences are minimal.

These are the 1000 Genomes reference samples. If they'd used a difference reference set the information might have been more fine-grained.

SZ43 (3.6) is my closest match, then CL36 (4.5), then SZ36 (6.8). I think SZ36 is pretty close to Tuscans. I have no idea why CL36 doesn't appear on the chart.

hrvclv
24-05-19, 23:42
Answer:There are 26 different populations which are part of our study from many different locations around the globe. The following table lists these populations and indicates what data we currently have available for them.


Population Code
Population Description
Super Population Code
Sequence Data Available
Alignment Data Available
Variant Data Available


CHB
Han Chinese in Beijing, China
EAS
1
1
1


JPT
Japanese in Tokyo, Japan
EAS
1
1
1


CHS
Southern Han Chinese
EAS
1
1
1


CDX
Chinese Dai in Xishuangbanna, China
EAS
1
1
1


KHV
Kinh in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
EAS
1
1
1


CEU
Utah Residents (CEPH) with Northern and Western European Ancestry
EUR
1
1
1


TSI
Toscani in Italia
EUR
1
1
1


FIN
Finnish in Finland
EUR
1
1
1


GBR
British in England and Scotland
EUR
1
1
1


IBS
Iberian Population in Spain
EUR
1
1
1


YRI
Yoruba in Ibadan, Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


LWK
Luhya in Webuye, Kenya
AFR
1
1
1


GWD
Gambian in Western Divisions in the Gambia
AFR
1
1
1


MSL
Mende in Sierra Leone
AFR
1
1
1


ESN
Esan in Nigeria
AFR
1
1
1


ASW
Americans of African Ancestry in SW USA
AFR
1
1
1


ACB
African Caribbeans in Barbados
AFR
1
1
1


MXL
Mexican Ancestry from Los Angeles USA
AMR
1
1
1


PUR
Puerto Ricans from Puerto Rico
AMR
1
1
1


CLM
Colombians from Medellin, Colombia
AMR
1
1
1


PEL
Peruvians from Lima, Peru
AMR
1
1
1


GIH
Gujarati Indian from Houston, Texas
SAS
1
1
1


PJL
Punjabi from Lahore, Pakistan
SAS
1
1
1


BEB
Bengali from Bangladesh
SAS
1
1
1


STU
Sri Lankan Tamil from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


ITU
Indian Telugu from the UK
SAS
1
1
1


These populations have been divided into 5 super populations

AFR, African
AMR, Ad Mixed American
EAS, East Asian
EUR, European
SAS, South Asian


Thanks, Duarte ! Thanks, Angela !

Angela
24-05-19, 23:56
That Iberian sample is half Catalan, and half from Andalusia, but I don't know whether it's the western or eastern half, which, from what I remember, skew somewhat differently.

Some people make a distinction between TSI and other Tuscan samples, claiming TSI is more "southern". I get hits to both and the differences are minimal.

These are the 1000 Genomes reference samples. If they'd used a difference reference set the information might have been more fine-grained.

SZ43 (3.6) is my closest match, then CL36 (4.5), then SZ36 (6.8). I think SZ36 is pretty close to Tuscans. I have no idea why CL36 doesn't appear on the chart.

SZ45, which they're calling Cisalpine Gaul, who would be people living in Northern Italy after, perhaps, the Gallic invasions, is, they say, 50% IBS or Iberian, and 50% Southeastern European, which I think means Greek like. On the admixture chart it doesn't look like that at all to me. The sample has some IBS material, but what makes him different is Great Britain like material, which of course is a blend of "Celt" and "Germanic", indeed perhaps Langobardic.

He's also found in Pannonia (present day Hungary), and nowhere near Cisalpine Gaul. When we get some samples from Cisalpine Gaul before the Romans settled people there, we'll see how similar they are to this sample. If there were people like that there, perhaps they were also there by the time of Collegno, which is why I've always been leery of assuming that all people in Northern Italy at the time the Langobards arrived were like some of the more "southern" like Collegno samples. Then, and now, the people in Northern Italy might have still been pretty heterogeneous.

Duarte
25-05-19, 01:01
I have no idea why CL36 doesn't appear on the chart.


CL36:
mtDNA: X2b

CL36 is close to modern Emilians. I made a wild nMonte run just to check what he could be composed of:

[1] "distance%=2.3663"

Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36

Croatia_vLBA,58.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,21.6
Samaritan,11
Anatolia_MLBA,4.6
Mozabite,2.5
Beaker_Northern_Italy,1.7
Croatia_MBA,0
Hungary_BA:I1504,0
Beaker_Central_Europe,0
Peloponnese_N_o:I3920,0
Mycenaean,0
Anatolia_BA,0
Anatolia_EBA,0
Anatolia_IA,0
Druze,0
Levant_BA,0
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe,0
England_Roman_o:3DT26,0

Seems to be predominantly a mix of Iron Age east-central Italians (if they happened to be similar to LBA Dalmatia) and some substantial Celtic admixture. But some later exotic accretions are not lacking, especially Samaritan-like admixture. Very interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/LD9fiJ5.png

Angela
25-05-19, 01:09
CL36:
mtDNA: X2b

CL36 is close to modern Emilians. I made a wild nMonte run just to check what he could be composed of:

[1] "distance%=2.3663"

Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36

Croatia_vLBA,58.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,21.6
Samaritan,11
Anatolia_MLBA,4.6
Mozabite,2.5
Beaker_Northern_Italy,1.7
Croatia_MBA,0
Hungary_BA:I1504,0
Beaker_Central_Europe,0
Peloponnese_N_o:I3920,0
Mycenaean,0
Anatolia_BA,0
Anatolia_EBA,0
Anatolia_IA,0
Druze,0
Levant_BA,0
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe,0
England_Roman_o:3DT26,0

Seems to be predominantly a mix of Iron Age east-central Italians (if they happened to be similar to LBA Dalmatia) and some substantial Celtic admixture. But some later exotic accretions are not lacking, especially Samaritan-like admixture. Very interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/LD9fiJ5.png






From the PCA it looked like the Romagna to me. I just wondered why the paper didn't include it.

No offense intended, my friend, but I'm not much for nmonte runs with people from such vastly different time periods.

Duarte
25-05-19, 01:25
From the PCA it looked like the Romagna to me. I just wondered why the paper didn't include it.

No offense intended, my friend, but I'm not much for nmonte runs with people from such vastly different time periods.

I should have put everything in quotes. I forgot to do that. All the material I posted was extracted from the BLOG Eurogenes. It's not my job. I also take this opportunity to repair the error of not mentioning the source :)

hrvclv
25-05-19, 01:39
It's bed-time here, so too late for me to do it now, but it could be fun to gedmatch it (kit: LN6607043) with Eurogenes K15 and then put it on this map :

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/K15.htm

I'll give it a try... tomorrow.

SZ45 "Pannonia"

https://i.imgur.com/VXMvmmS.png

Edit : Here it is.

https://i.imgur.com/vB9STQt.jpg

torzio
25-05-19, 02:43
CL36:
mtDNA: X2b

CL36 is close to modern Emilians. I made a wild nMonte run just to check what he could be composed of:

[1] "distance%=2.3663"

Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL36

Croatia_vLBA,58.6
Hallstatt_Bylany,21.6
Samaritan,11
Anatolia_MLBA,4.6
Mozabite,2.5
Beaker_Northern_Italy,1.7
Croatia_MBA,0
Hungary_BA:I1504,0
Beaker_Central_Europe,0
Peloponnese_N_o:I3920,0
Mycenaean,0
Anatolia_BA,0
Anatolia_EBA,0
Anatolia_IA,0
Druze,0
Levant_BA,0
Beaker_Sicily_no_steppe,0
England_Roman_o:3DT26,0

Seems to be predominantly a mix of Iron Age east-central Italians (if they happened to be similar to LBA Dalmatia) and some substantial Celtic admixture. But some later exotic accretions are not lacking, especially Samaritan-like admixture. Very interesting.

https://i.imgur.com/LD9fiJ5.png






further PCA with extras

https://i.postimg.cc/yYF4z95z/cl23plot.jpg




and your map with BB Italian North added ...................which makes me think is it really close to Emilians?

https://i.postimg.cc/66VhbVVH/BB-north-ITA.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

torzio
25-05-19, 03:02
Forgive my ignorance, but what do TSI and IBS stand for next to the red and greenish squares in the key ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000_Genomes_Project

brick
25-05-19, 03:45
PCA with all the samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy

https://i.imgur.com/7xI3bBu.jpg


PCA with all the samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary

https://i.imgur.com/Ot0ZIe5.jpg


PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples


https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

Angela
25-05-19, 16:23
Some Tuscan like relatives of mine were clearly stranded in Pannonia, and an Emilian relative was buried at Collegno. :)

Duarte
25-05-19, 17:31
How do populations relate to each other in MyTrueAncestry.com

https://i.imgur.com/Hxcq5vc.png
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Salento
25-05-19, 18:19
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Geno Invicta :grin:


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Starring: Caesar, Mark Antony, Cleopatra, Vercingetorix, ...

Duarte
25-05-19, 18:38
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Geno Invicta :grin:


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Very Cool. :grin::good_job::smile: Veni, vidi, vici:satisfied:

Salento
25-05-19, 18:45
Very Cool. :grin::good_job::smile: Veni, vidi, vici:satisfied:


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Geno Invicta


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Totally Cool :)

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Carlos
26-05-19, 01:43
New utility in MyTrueAncestry following my advice. Reaching the king the easy one for me, you just have to check my ancestral line.

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Duarte
26-05-19, 03:23
Thanks @Carlos. Nice :)

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Salento
26-05-19, 05:04
Top III
1 Ancient Group - SZ36 C-Roman
2 Modern Group - SZ40 H-Roman
3 Similar Samples - CL121 H-Roman

others ... redundant or too far ...

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hrvclv
26-05-19, 10:53
@ Carlos @ Duarte

Does either of you guys have any idea what the heck can connect us westerners to that Illyrian sample that keeps popping up among our "ancestors" ? Gallo-Roman makes sense. Even the Szolad samples can be explained as mercenary expatriates. But Illyrian ? Was the Illyrian also a mercenary from the west ?

Same goes for the Thracian, by the way.

Dreptul Valah
26-05-19, 11:19
Sounds like "The Gladiator", everything is Jewish,in the Dacian paper(Rodewald),they used Middle Bronze Age samples to prove closeness to North Italy.

Duarte
26-05-19, 13:33
@ Carlos @ Duarte

Does either of you guys have any idea what the heck can connect us westerners to that Illyrian sample that keeps popping up among our "ancestors" ? Gallo-Roman makes sense. Even the Szolad samples can be explained as mercenary expatriates. But Illyrian ? Was the Illyrian also a mercenary from the west ?

Same goes for the Thracian, by the way.

Hello hrvclv,
These samples are from Bronze Age Balkan individuals, basically a mixture of EEF with BA, see figure below.

Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) - I3313
Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) - I4332

https://i.imgur.com/hHg2T1P.jpg
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The following is a paper with a full study on the samples found in the Balkans. Reading can be tiring, but it is enlightening.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/135616v1.full

The Gauls were established in Pannonia and Illyria and in the year 300 BC began a major invasion of the Balkans in which they defeated the Illyrians and this invasion culminated with the occupation of Greece. See the following text, from Wikipedia in English. It is complete and enlightening. The Gauls, IMO, taken Illyrian DNA to western europe, so it is in us.

Celtic settlement of Southeast Europe

From their new bases in northern Illyria (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria) and Pannonia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia), the Gallic invasions climaxed in the early 3rd century BC, with the invasion of Greece (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece). The 279 BC invasion of Greece (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenistic_Greece) proper was preceded by a series of other military campaigns waged in the southern Balkans and against the kingdom of Macedonia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(ancient_kingdom)), favoured by the state of confusion ensuing from the disputed succession after Alexander (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diadochi) the Great's death. A part of the invasion crossed over to Anatolia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolia) and eventually settled (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatians_(people)) in the area that came to be named after them, Galatia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia).

From the 4th century BC, Celtic groups pushed into the Carpathian region and the Danube basin, coinciding with their movement into Italy. The Boii (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boii) and Volcae (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcae) were two large Celtic confederacies who generally cooperated in their campaigns. Splinter groups moved south via two major routes: one following the Danube river, another eastward from Italy. According to legend, 300,000 Celts moved into Italy and Illyria.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-celts-1) By the 3rd century, the native inhabitants of Pannonia were almost completely Celticized.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Mocsy-2) La Tène remains are found widely in Pannonia, but finds westward beyond the Tisza river (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisza_river) and south beyond the Sava (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sava) are rather sparse.[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Mocsy-2) These finds are deemed to have been locally produced Norican-Pannonian variation of Celtic culture. Nevertheless, features are encountered that suggest ongoing contacts with distant provinces such as Iberia. The fertile lands around the Pannonian rivers enabled the Celts to establish themselves easily, developing their agriculture and pottery, and at the same time exploiting the rich mines of modern Poland. Thus, it appears that the Celts had created a new homeland for themselves in the southern part of Central Europe (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe); in a region stretching from Poland to the river Danube.

The political situation in the northern Balkans was in constant flux with various tribes dominant over their neighbours at any one time. Within tribes, military expeditions were conducted by "an enterprising and mobile warrior class able from time to time to conquer large areas and to exploit their population".[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Mocsy-2)The political situation in the Balkans during the 4th century BC played to the Celts' advantage. The Illyrians had been waging war against the Greeks, leaving their western flank weak. While Alexander (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great) ruled Greece, the Celts dared not to push south near Greece. Therefore, early Celtic expeditions were concentrated against Illyrian tribes.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Stipcevic-3)
The first Balkan tribe to be defeated by the Celts was the Illyric (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrians) Autariatae (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autariatae), who, during the 4th century BC, had enjoyed a hegemony over much of the central Balkans, centred on the Morava valley (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morava_rivers,_Serbia).[2] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Mocsy-2) An account of Celtic tactics is revealed in their attacks on the Ardiaei (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardiaei).
In 335 BC, the Celts sent representatives to pay homage to Alexander the Great (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great), while Macedon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon) was engaged in wars against Thracians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians) on its northern border. Some historians suggest that this 'diplomatic' act was actually an evaluation of Macedonian military might.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Stipcevic-3) After the death of Alexander the Great, Celtic armies began to bear down on the southern regions, threatening the Greek kingdom of Macedonia and the rest of Greece. In 310 BC, the Celtic general Molistomos attacked deep into Illyrian territory, subduing the Dardanians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanians_(Balkans)), Paeonians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonians) and Triballi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triballi). The new Macedonian king Cassander (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassander) felt compelled to take his old Illyrian enemies under his protection.[3] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Stipcevic-3) In 298 BC, the Celts attempted a penetrating attack into Thrace (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace) and Macedon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon), where they suffered a heavy defeat near Haemus Mons (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haemus_Mons) at the hands of Cassander. However, another body of Celts led by the general Cambaules marched on Thrace, capturing large areas.[1] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-celts-1) The Celtic (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celts) tribe of the Serdi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdi)[4] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-4) lived in Thrace (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracians) and founded the city of Serdica (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serdica), present day Sofia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sofia).
The Celtic military pressure toward Greece in the southern Balkans reached its turning point in 281 BC. The collapse of Lysimachus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysimachus)' successor kingdom in Thrace opened the way for the migration.[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Green_133-5) The cause for this is explained by Pausanias (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pausanias_(geographer)) as greed for loot,[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Pausanias-6) by Justin (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_(historian)) as a result of overpopulation,[7] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-7) and by Memnon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memnon_of_Heraclea) as the result of famine.[8] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-8) According to Pausanias (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pausanias_(geographer)), an initial probing raid led by Cambaules withdrew when they realized they were too few in numbers.[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Pausanias-6) In 280 BC, a great army comprising about 85,000 warriors[9] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-9) left Pannonia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonia), split into three divisions, and marched south in a great expedition[10] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-10)[11] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-11) to Macedon and central Greece (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Greece). Under the leadership of Cerethrius (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerethrius), 20,000 men moved against the Thracians and Triballi. Another division, led by Brennus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennus_(3rd_century_BC))[12] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-12) and Acichorius (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acichorius)[13] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-13)[14] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-14) moved against the Paionians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paionia), while the third division, headed by Bolgios (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolgios), aimed for the Macedonians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedon) and Illyrians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria).[6 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Pausanias-6)

Bolgios inflicted heavy losses on the Macedonians, whose young king, Ptolemy Keraunos (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemy_Keraunos), was captured and decapitated. However, Bolgios' contingent was repulsed by the Macedonian nobleman Sosthenes (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosthenes_of_Macedon), and satisfied with the loot they had won, Bolgios' contingents turned back. Sosthenes, in turn, was attacked and defeated by Brennus and his division, who were then free to ravage the country.
After these expeditions returned home, Brennus urged and persuaded them to mount a third united expedition against central Greece, led by himself and Acichorius.[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Pausanias-6) The reported strength of the army of 152,000 infantry and 24,400 cavalry is impossibly large.[15] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-15) The actual number of horsemen has to be intended half as big: Pausanias (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pausanias_(geographer)) describes how they used a tactic called trimarcisia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimarcisia), where each cavalryman was supported by two mounted servants, who could supply him with a spare horse should he have to be dismounted, or take his place in the battle, should he be killed or wounded.[16] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-10.23.1-16)[17] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-17)
A Greek coalition made up of Aetolians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetolians), Boeotians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeotia), Athenians, Phocians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phocians), and other Greeks north of Corinth took up quarters at the narrow pass of Thermopylae (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae), on the east coast of central Greece (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece). During the initial assault, Brennus' forces suffered heavy losses. Hence he decided to send a large force under Acichorius against Aetolia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetolia). The Aetolian detachment, as Brennus hoped, left Thermopylae to defend their homes. The Aetolians joined the defence en masse – the old and women joining the fight.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-18) Realizing that the Gallic sword was dangerous only at close quarters, the Aetolians resorted to skirmishing tactics (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skirmisher).[5] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Green_133-5) According to Pausanias, only half the number that had set out for Aetolia returned.[6] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-Pausanias-6)
Eventually, Brennus found a way around the pass at Thermopylae, but by then the Greeks had escaped by sea.
Brennus pushed on to Delphi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi), where he was defeated and forced to retreat, after which he died of wounds sustained in the battle. His army fell back to the river Spercheios (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spercheios_River), where it was routed by the Thessalians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaly) and Malians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malians_(Greek_tribe)).
Both historians who relate the attack on Delphi, Pausanias and Junianus Justinus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junianus_Justinus), say that the Gauls were defeated and driven off. They were overtaken by a violent thunderstorm, which made it impossible to manoeuvre or even hear their orders. The night that followed was frosty, and in the morning the Greeks attacked them from both sides. Brennus was wounded and the Gauls fell back, killing those of their own wounded who were unable to retreat. That night, a panic fell on the camp, as the Gauls divided into factions and fought amongst themselves. They were joined by Acichorius and the rest of the army, but the Greeks forced them into a full-scale retreat. Brennus took his own life by drinking neat wine according to Pausanias, or by stabbing himself according to Justinus. Pressed by the Aetolians, the Gauls fell back to the Spercheios, where the waiting Thessalians and Malians destroyed them.[16] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-10.23.1-16)[19] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-19)
In spite of the Greek accounts about the defeat of the Gauls, the Roman (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) literary tradition preferred a far different version.[clarification needed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_clarify)] Strabo (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strabo) reports a story told in his time of a semi-legendary treasure – the aurum Tolosanum, fifteen thousand talents of gold and silver – supposed to have been the cursed gold looted during the sack of Delphi and brought back to Tolosa (modern Toulouse (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse), France (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)) by the Tectosages (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectosages), who were said to have been part of the invading army.
More than a century and a half after the alleged sack, the Romans ruled Gallia Narbonensis (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallia_Narbonensis). In 105 BC, while marching to Arausio (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arausio), the Proconsul (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proconsul) of Cisalpine Gaul (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisalpine_Gaul)Quintus Servilius Caepio (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintus_Servilius_Caepio) plundered the sanctuaries of the town of Tolosa (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toulouse), whose inhabitants had joined the Cimbri (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimbri), finding over 50,000 15 lb. bars of gold and 10,000 15 lb. bars of silver. The riches of Tolosa were shipped back to Rome, but only the silver made it: the gold was stolen by a band of marauders, who were believed to have been hired by Caepio himself and to have killed the legion guarding it. The Gold of Tolosa was never found, and was said to have been passed all the way down to the last heir of the Servilii Caepiones, Marcus Junius Brutus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Junius_Brutus).
In 105 BC, Caepio refused to co-operate with his superior officer, Gnaeus Mallius Maximus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnaeus_Mallius_Maximus), because he thought of him as a novus homo (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_homo), deciding by himself to engage in battle against the Cimbri (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimbri), on the Rhone (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhone). There, the Roman army suffered a crushing defeat and complete destruction, in the so-called Battle of Arausio (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arausio)(modern Orange (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange,_Vaucluse)).
Upon his return to Rome, Caepio was tried for "the loss of his Army" and embezzlement (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embezzlement). He was convicted and given the harshest sentence allowable; he was stripped of his Roman citizenship (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_citizenship), forbidden fire and water within 800 miles of Rome, fined 15,000 talents (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talent_(weight))(about 825,000 lb) of gold, and forbidden from seeing or speaking to his friends or family until he had left for exile (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exile).
He spent the rest of his life in exile in Smyrna (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smyrna) in Asia Minor (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor). His defeat and ensuing ruin were looked upon as a punishment for his sacrilegious theft.
Strabo distances himself from this account, arguing that the defeated Gauls were in no position to carry off such spoils, and that, in any case, Delphi had already been despoiled of its treasure by the Phocians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phocis) during the Third Sacred War (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Sacred_War) in the previous century.[20] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-strabo-20)However, Brennus' legendary pillage of Delphi is presented as fact by some popular modern historians.[21] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-21)
Most scholars deem the Greek campaign a disaster for the Celts.
Some of the survivors of the Greek campaign, led by Comontoris (one of Brennus' generals) settled in Thrace (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrace). In 277 BC, Antigonus II Gonatas (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigonus_II_Gonatas) defeated the Gauls at the Battle of Lysimachia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lysimachia) and the survivors retreated, founding a short-lived city-state named Tyle (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tylis).[22] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-22) Another group of Gauls, who split off from Brennus' army in 281 BC, were transported over to Asia Minor (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia_Minor) by Nicomedes I (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicomedes_I_of_Bithynia)to help him defeat his brother and secure the throne of Bithynia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bithynia). They eventually settled in the region that came to be named after them, Galatia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia). They were defeated by Antiochus I (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiochus_I), and as a result, they were confined to barren highlands in the centre of Anatolia.[23] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_settlement_of_Southeast_Europe#cite_note-23)
Celtic groups were still the pre-eminent political units in the northern Balkans from the 4th to the 1st century BC. The Boii (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boii) controlled most of northern Pannonia during the 2nd century BC, and are also mentioned as having occupied the territory of modern Slovakia. We learn of other tribes of the Boian confederation inhabiting Pannonia. There were the Taurisci (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taurisci) in the upper Sava valley, west of Sisak (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisak), as well as the Anarti, Osi and Cotini in the Carpathian basin. In the lower Sava valley, the Scordisci (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scordisci)wielded much power over their neighbours for over a century.
The later half of the 1st century BC brought much change to the power relations of barbarian tribes in Pannonia. The defeat of the Boian confederation by the Geto (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getae)-Dacian (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dacia) king Burebista (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burebista) significantly curtailed Celtic control of the Carpathian basin, and some of the Celticization was reversed. Yet, more Celtic tribes appear in sources. The Hercuniates (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercuniates) and Latobici (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latobici) migrated from the northern regions (Germania). Altogether new tribes are encountered, bearing Latin names (such as the Arabiates (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabiates)), possibly representing new creations carved out of the defeated Boian confederation. To further weaken Celtic hegemony in Pannonia, the Romans moved the Pannonian-Illyrian Azali (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azali) to northern Pannonia. The political dominance previously enjoyed by the Celts was overshadowed by newer barbarian confederations, such the Marcomanni (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcomanni) and Iazyges (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iazyges). Their ethnic independence was gradually lost as they were absorbed by the surrounding Dacian, Illyrian and Germanic peoples, although Celtic names survive until the 3rd century AD.

hrvclv
26-05-19, 13:45
@Duarte

Thank you ever so much for going to such great lengths. It's all extremely helpful, and very interesting.

Carlos
26-05-19, 15:58
@ Carlos @ Duarte
Does either of you guys have any idea what the heck can connect us westerners to that Illyrian sample that keeps popping up among our "ancestors" ? Gallo-Roman makes sense. Even the Szolad samples can be explained as mercenary expatriates. But Illyrian ? Was the Illyrian also a mercenary from the west ?
Same goes for the Thracian, by the way.

The truth is that I want MyTrueAncestry to target the Celtiberians and Iberians.


If we all finally come from populations of the past that were scarce in number by comparing them with the current population number, it is not surprising that the Illyrians were related to the Gauls, Celts, Celtiberians, as well as the geographical situation with pressures from all cardinal points. Forged in them a predisposition to move and move unlike territories such as the peninsular or more geographically defined territories as further north or as France. The geographical situation of the Illyrians I think should be like an express pot. Conclusion: Indo-European, Celtic and some displacement genetic similarities, but less.

Duarte
26-05-19, 16:15
@Duarte

Thank you ever so much for going to such great lengths. It's all extremely helpful, and very interesting.

You’re welcome hrvclv :)

Regio X
26-05-19, 16:17
Thanks, Duarte.
Thanks, Angela. Not to sorry. That was an interesting explanation.


You never even came to my mind in this context, Regio. You're one of the most objective of posters. Some people do, however, have, for personal reasons, their own "ax to grind" as they say in America. :)
This is all conjecture until we have the samples from Moots, this paper if it's different, and hopefully, future ones from lots of other cultures in Italy, including some Terramare, samples from the ancient Veneto, from the Ligures and Celt Ligurians, some samples from the Neolithic and Bronze Age in Calabria, eastern Sicily, Puglia, colonization sites in Magna Graecia, Classical Greece including the islands and on and on, even Greek settlements in Rhodes, for example, or Phocaea.
So, my ideas are just "guesses" as are those of other people here and on other sites. I'm certainly not married to mine, and neither should they be married to theirs.
As for the "accomplishments" of the Romans, they span a huge period from the beginning of the Republic to the Imperial period to the fall. Different types of people may have contributed relatively more to one period than to another. Were the founders and early leaders of the Republic, particularly the "patricians", more "Northern Italian" like? I don't know. Were people like Cicero, a plebeian, more "Northern Italian" like or as a Plebeian more "Southern Italian" like? , Niebur, a 19th century historian, thought the Plebeians were foreigners who settled in early Roman who got citizenship. I don't know and maybe we'll never know. Even if they were foreigners, foreigners from where? Or were they the "original" inhabitants when the Latini arrived? I don't know yet.
"From 494 to 287 BC, the so-called "Conflict of the Orders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_the_Orders)" resulted in the establishment of plebeian offices (the tribunes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribune) and plebeian aediles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aedile)), the publication of the laws (the Law of the Twelve Tables (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Tables)), the establishment of the right of plebeian–patrician intermarriage (by the passage of the Lex Canuleia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Canuleia)), the opening of the highest offices of government and some state priesthoods to the plebeians and passage of legislation (the Lex Hortensia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_Hortensia)) that made resolutions passed by the assembly of plebeians, the concilium plebis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concilium_plebis), binding on all citizens."

This inclusion of other groups, often hostile groups, was part of the genius of the Romans, and the thing I like best about them.

"During the Second Samnite War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Samnite_War) (326–304 BC), plebeians who had risen to power through these social reforms began to acquire the aura of nobilitas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobiles), "nobility" (more literally "notability"), marking the creation of a ruling elite of nobiles that allied the interests of patricians and noble plebeians.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs#cite_note-2) From the mid-4th century to the early 3rd century BC, several plebeian–patrician "tickets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticket_(election))" for the consulship repeated joint terms, suggesting a deliberate political strategy of cooperation.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs#cite_note-3) Although nobilitas was not a formal social rank during the Republican era, in general, a plebeian who had attained the consulship was regarded as having brought nobility to his family. Such a man was a novus homo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_homo) ("new man"), a self-made noble, and his sons and descendants were nobiles.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plebs#cite_note-4)"Marius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius) and Cicero (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero) are notable examples of novi homines in the late Republic, when many of Rome's richest and most powerful men—such as Lucullus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucullus), Crassus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Crassus), and Pompeius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompey_the_Great)—were plebeian nobles. Some or perhaps many noble plebeians, including Cicero and Lucullus, aligned their political interests with the faction of Optimates (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimates), conservatives who sought to preserve senatorial (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_senate) prerogatives. By contrast, the Populares (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populares), which sought to champion the plebs in the sense of "common people", were sometimes led by patricians such as Julius Caesar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Caesar) and Clodius Pulcher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clodius_Pulcher)."

Marius famously married into the family of Julius Caesar. By the time of the Empire, we have people like Agrippa, a plebeian of low birth who married into the family of Augustus and whose descendants were Emperors . Was he part "Southern Italian" like? Then we have Livy, who seems to have been from Northern Italy. Many of the engineers who built all those roads and aqueducts all over Europe, and formed the first legions, and managed provinces, and worked in the law courts, helping to create the basis of the law of much of Europe, would have included many Southern Italian like "Romans".
Going all the way back to the earlier Romans, there would have been no Rome without the Etruscans, from whom they borrowed a great deal. However, from whom did the Etruscans learn those things? They learned from the Greeks and the Phoenicians. Cultures build one upon another. Modern populations are similarly one layer of ancient groups on top of another, then subject to drift.
I think there's plenty of "glory" to go around. I find the kind of hyper-identification of certain people on other sites with one group they want to claim as ancestors to the exclusion of all others, and the actual attempt, certainly in the past, to actually want to change the "ethnicity" of certain groups because they don't like their modern descendants really upsetting as well as clearly just wrong both factually and ethically.
Now I sound like a preachy Sunday school teacher, and in a response to someone who has nothing at all to do with the issues that bother me, but I guess I just took the opportunity to "unload" a little bit. Sorry. :)Thanks. Well, sometimes I'm naturally objective, other times I at least try to be. :) Anyway, I'm inclined to be much less interested in "narratives", in "selling" (rather than "sharing") ideas, and much more interested in knowing the facts per se, as far as possible.

As for Romans, I'm really new on the subject. Knowing more about them is in my "to do list". :) The few I knew I learned with a brother, who almost always talks on Romans in chit-chats. An enthusiast, as you, I guess. But I'm affraid he doesn't follow genetics, at all. je je je
One of my birthday gifts to him was a book you suggested here in Eupedia, about the fall of Rome. :)
I don't know if he already read. I'll ask him.

Btw, let's wait and see what the papers show. I should probably have been more precise in what I wrote. I was more focused in the context of the papers, which would intend to clarify who those Romans were genetically, providing clues on their origin. In short, so without intention to be detailed, my point was that South Italian ancestry would have been the main genetic component of proper Romans in the heart of Republic and Empire, along the most of these periods. If the leaks make sense and I understand them right, of course.
I'm sure there were "contributors" from different backgrounds and places. :)

I'd ask about this Cisalpine Gaul. You answered first. Thanks.
So, indeed, there is no sample from Galia Cisalpina proper. Hope the upcoming paper include some.
I have to read this paper on Lombards in my free time, to understand why this individual was identified as Cisalpine Gaul. I already told my mom about her "matches", and I'd hate to have provided innacurate infos. :)

@hrvclv @brick
My mother's close matches would be the Iberian / Piedmont and the supposed Cisalpine Gaul according to MTA, in turn based on K15. On the PCA brick posted, possibly more accurate than K15's, she should be placed - if MTA were "right" - roughly between these two, pending a bit to the Iberian / Piedmont, but it wouldn't make much sense as far as I can see. Too far from Veneto. So not exactly in consonance to the PCA based on K15. MTA doesn't seem to be the last word on genetic similarities anyway. :)
As per K15 calculator itself, the supposed Gaul would be substantially more "Northern" than her, according to what hrvclv posted.
Here are our K15 results:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=501613#post501613

My father curiously gets, consistently - in several GedMatch calculators -, traces related to South Asians, but not in comercial c. as 23andMe and MyHeritage. Still, I wonder from where it comes from.

hrvclv
26-05-19, 17:00
@Regio

I'm sure you know about it, but just in case... have you tried this : https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm ?

You could submit your mum's and dad's results and see where they end up. As you say, no calculator is "the last word", but changing angles sometimes helps you get extra hints.

I am well aware of the limitations of K15, by the way. What it gives is just, again, another "angle".

Regio X
26-05-19, 17:31
@Regio
I'm sure you know about it, but just in case... have you tried this : https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm ?
You could submit your mum's and dad's results and see where they end up. As you say, no calculator is "the last word", but changing angles sometimes helps you get extra hints.
I am well aware of the limitations of K15, by the way. What it gives is just, again, another "angle".I do know it. It seems better than K15 for this use.
Here are mine:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=510687#post510687
(I chose badly the colors. Increasing brightness must allow a better view.)

Salento
26-05-19, 17:34
Ancient Group / Deep Dive

https://i.imgur.com/3c4ftNx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ng9A4MT.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/z4nmMQb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EjXpklk.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/ghVZzUd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eIhN8UG.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/DaF4ESe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xPyt5sV.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/9AZ6AHg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XdVrMfU.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/nQTXSyY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UyjNIdQ.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/3hQb9sg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0MAbtUP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/w04xNrP.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/UKfJ2Qo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UCxyKYu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RK8UeGd.jpg

Angela
26-05-19, 17:49
Just to clarify for the people who get decent matches to the modern Emilian like sample, CL36. It was found in Collegno but comes from a later period.

I wish Amorim et al had been more precise about the date and the context of that burial. I really combed that paper I think, and I couldn't find anything.

For help in understanding the "ethnicity" of the "Langobard" samples, it might be helpful to read our discussion of the paper and the supplement in this thread:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35488-Understanding-6th-Cent-Barbarian-Social-Organization-Migration-thru-Paleogenomics

For example, it's important to look at whether the analysis shows the sample in question grew up locally, what was buried with the sample. One woman, for example, was buried with eastern French type artifacts. Amorim seems to believe this means "Gallic" input. Was that input recent, however, or just a Northern Italian of the time who happened to have a lot of ancestry from the Gallic migrations of the middle part of the first millennium B.C.

@Regio,

I grew up surrounded by Roman ruins: a bridge across the river where I was born, an entire Roman city complete with amphitheater near La Spezia where generations of my family's men have worked and where my father often took me to roam.

Then, my husband minored in Classics.

It was pre-ordained that I should be interested in them and study them. :)

I was also surrounded by Langobard castles. However, they were connected to the detested local aristocracy, the Malaspina, and so while I may have some very minor ancestry from them, I didn't and don't identify with them at all, and had no desire to research them.

Strangely, I never knew much about the Ligures. Until relatively recently they were a very mysterious people. Still are, although I think it's becoming clear they were Indo-European admixed. I belatedly have started researching them more intensely.

Lukas
27-05-19, 14:10
Only for those who have G25 coordinates and are familiar with R. You can create in such case list with 100 samples for free:)

Just use this file https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ELSqp3ZOMR-2Gc08BRe-1xi6UhuKA2HC
instead of original for nMonte in R.

Datasheets:

Ancient unscaled
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn73m6cifrudtvs/MyAncientUnscaled.txt?dl=0

Ancient scaled:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/od6lgb12rjxnqfr/MyAncientScaled.txt?dl=0

Modern unscaled
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14cg-yPmXogbeN6drD7UnVawYm3y42uD9

Modern scaled
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14cF82kfSYxmNLC0BGg3c0AOb9GYvLp-a

My list for ancient G25 spreadsheet unscaled



ancient unscaled

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.

Regio X
27-05-19, 20:42
Just to clarify for the people who get decent matches to the modern Emilian like sample, CL36. It was found in Collegno but comes from a later period.
I wish Amorim et al had been more precise about the date and the context of that burial. I really combed that paper I think, and I couldn't find anything.
For help in understanding the "ethnicity" of the "Langobard" samples, it might be helpful to read our discussion of the paper and the supplement in this thread:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/35488-Understanding-6th-Cent-Barbarian-Social-Organization-Migration-thru-Paleogenomics
For example, it's important to look at whether the analysis shows the sample in question grew up locally, what was buried with the sample. One woman, for example, was buried with eastern French type artifacts. Amorim seems to believe this means "Gallic" input. Was that input recent, however, or just a Northern Italian of the time who happened to have a lot of ancestry from the Gallic migrations of the middle part of the first millennium B.C.
@Regio,
I grew up surrounded by Roman ruins: a bridge across the river where I was born, an entire Roman city complete with amphitheater near La Spezia where generations of my family's men have worked and where my father often took me to roam.
Then, my husband minored in Classics.
It was pre-ordained that I should be interested in them and study them. :)
I was also surrounded by Langobard castles. However, they were connected to the detested local aristocracy, the Malaspina, and so while I may have some very minor ancestry from them, I didn't and don't identify with them at all, and had no desire to research them.
Strangely, I never knew much about the Ligures. Until relatively recently they were a very mysterious people. Still are, although I think it's becoming clear they were Indo-European admixed. I belatedly have started researching them more intensely.I guess that helps to explain why the "Gaul" was labeled this way. Thanks. If he/she is indeed a close match (in ancestry), that's another story.

All Italians should be interested in the Roman history. It's enormously important. :)

I can't wait for all these samples covering the most important historical cultures/groups of Italy, including Ligures, Euganei and many others. It'll be just awesome!

Angela
27-05-19, 21:18
@Salento,

OK, I'm getting sick of you showing up with all these IBD hits and I'm still stuck with one segment with Crete Armenoi! :)

It can't just be because I only have 23andme, because even my husband gets three.

I may have to break down and take the Ancestry test. He'll never do it, though. He thinks I'm mad to be playing with this stuff, but he's third generation, if you know what I mean. :)

https://i.imgur.com/xxzXOtq.png

Carlos
27-05-19, 21:35
https://www.tesorillo.com/hispania/imagenes/hispania7.gif

That they are all would be impossible but I believe that Iberians, Celtiberians and maybe one day knows Tartessos should be there already.

Salento
27-05-19, 22:14
@Angela I had problems getting Deep Dives with 23andme at first, I re-uploaded a few days later and it worked.
My understanding is that a new upload is required in order to get Deep Dives. The refresh won’t suffice for it.
If it doesn’t work and you’ll lose what you already got, try again later, and don’t blame me. lol :)

about CL36, It’s one of my matches on K36 Ancient too (besides MTA).

https://i.imgur.com/RD3Hdbn.jpg

Duarte
27-05-19, 23:50
https://i.imgur.com/gs8irSG.png
https://i.imgur.com/tfCHHcm.png
https://i.imgur.com/aAhSlmo.png
https://i.imgur.com/746uSn8.png
https://i.imgur.com/uFg85eY.png
https://i.imgur.com/4OmpMaZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/Y3hWPof.png
https://i.imgur.com/44ZApuh.png
https://i.imgur.com/rVR35sv.png
https://i.imgur.com/6lDtWN1.png

Carlos
28-05-19, 00:28
^`
Fine, I'm going to look at it.

Angela
28-05-19, 01:42
Only when looking at this new feature did I remember I have a match with Trypillia, Neolithic 3500 BC.

The culture dates all the way back to 6000 B.C. David Anthony included a lot of their artifacts in a big show on "Old Europe", which I saw. It was terrific. I posted about it here years ago.

They always fascinated me, with their seeming custom of burning all their houses down. I speculated at the time that the reason might not be ritual, as most archaeologists seemed to think, but was recurring waves of disease. I was thinking something like tuberculosis from the animals. Maybe it was plague.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/6f/73/056f73ea1a3b31e33dfe3a856898cf25.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fb/41/e4/fb41e45944b0f88098854ad7a9ba792f.jpg

Archaeologists have tried to duplicate how they did such a thorough job of it but haven't quite managed it.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lH3ZQCzprt4/maxresdefault.jpg

Wonderful artisans and artists:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/65/7c/5c657c77315e9aa2425936017bdeca58.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/78/16/cb7816abe7db4469b4907127cb15cb8f.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CUt9D-2vKRg/UHKDWwxNxxI/AAAAAAAAAV4/HkVdWSSWR8w/s1600/DSC_2848.JPG
Some of the art of "Old Europe" could have been carved yesterday.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7yrSZttK0ao/T8kZgWnEXhI/AAAAAAAANIA/9GLHqTC8FbQ/s1600/hamangia.jpg

Carlos
28-05-19, 02:09
Only when looking at this new feature did I remember I have a match with Trypillia, Neolithic 3500 BC.

The culture dates all the way back to 6000 B.C. David Anthony included a lot of their artifacts in a big show on "Old Europe", which I saw. It was terrific. I posted about it here years ago.

They always fascinated me, with their seeming custom of burning all their houses down. I speculated at the time that the reason might not be ritual, as most archaeologists seemed to think, but was recurring waves of disease. I was thinking something like tuberculosis from the animals. Maybe it was plague.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/6f/73/056f73ea1a3b31e33dfe3a856898cf25.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fb/41/e4/fb41e45944b0f88098854ad7a9ba792f.jpg

Archaeologists have tried to duplicate how they did such a thorough job of it but haven't quite managed it.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lH3ZQCzprt4/maxresdefault.jpg

Wonderful artisans and artists:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/65/7c/5c657c77315e9aa2425936017bdeca58.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/78/16/cb7816abe7db4469b4907127cb15cb8f.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CUt9D-2vKRg/UHKDWwxNxxI/AAAAAAAAAV4/HkVdWSSWR8w/s1600/DSC_2848.JPG
Some of the art of "Old Europe" could have been carved yesterday.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7yrSZttK0ao/T8kZgWnEXhI/AAAAAAAANIA/9GLHqTC8FbQ/s1600/hamangia.jpg

http://www.ub.edu/geocrit/-xcol/427/image001.jpg

They were like that in the 70s. Probably for a few years they suffered some terrible plagues of lobsters that came back every year, they could not stand it and they left forever.

Duarte
28-05-19, 02:12
Only when looking at this new feature did I remember I have a match with Trypillia, Neolithic 3500 BC.

The culture dates all the way back to 6000 B.C. David Anthony included a lot of their artifacts in a big show on "Old Europe", which I saw. It was terrific. I posted about it here years ago.

They always fascinated me, with their seeming custom of burning all their houses down. I speculated at the time that the reason might not be ritual, as most archaeologists seemed to think, but was recurring waves of disease. I was thinking something like tuberculosis from the animals. Maybe it was plague.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/6f/73/056f73ea1a3b31e33dfe3a856898cf25.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fb/41/e4/fb41e45944b0f88098854ad7a9ba792f.jpg

Archaeologists have tried to duplicate how they did such a thorough job of it but haven't quite managed it.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lH3ZQCzprt4/maxresdefault.jpg

Wonderful artisans and artists:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5c/65/7c/5c657c77315e9aa2425936017bdeca58.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cb/78/16/cb7816abe7db4469b4907127cb15cb8f.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CUt9D-2vKRg/UHKDWwxNxxI/AAAAAAAAAV4/HkVdWSSWR8w/s1600/DSC_2848.JPG
Some of the art of "Old Europe" could have been carved yesterday.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7yrSZttK0ao/T8kZgWnEXhI/AAAAAAAANIA/9GLHqTC8FbQ/s1600/hamangia.jpg

Fascinating. Objects of art and decoration made 6000 BC and that looks like sculptures of modern art. I believe that the arrival of the Yamnaya tribes decreed the end of this ancient Neolithic culture.

Salento
28-05-19, 14:51
Euro Timelapse Map (2 sec. GIF)

http://i.imgur.com/RUh2cAI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QbPckYT.png

Carlos
28-05-19, 15:10
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4.gif

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mxtNVKYXI6I/XO0dms1tFgI/AAAAAAAAAtc/IcGihu8vsawy-D1I6ouNYtuPQyYRimcFACLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainANCIENTANCESTRY.jpg



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lmp12WiV2ZQ/XO0cKWbtQ1I/AAAAAAAAAtQ/3BtCTlu7YqUkQrPPQsxNiI5ZCbln9GJUQCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMAPASBRONCEAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZH55SjgGf34/XO0b1fvYIFI/AAAAAAAAAtE/Gnm9Ujvv6KUG1Rf3GOetJG8nbFOap-gowCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainLATEBRONZEAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1j-IaTFjRXQ/XO0bj7s02LI/AAAAAAAAAs8/RkdPh3gyemwNOQtCPSdzNsHkKTZeMY30QCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainIRONAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MApL0Pwvu0k/XO0bTLrU3HI/AAAAAAAAAs0/Rt5jz4ANQNwyCkzFc1hwMo60BvTXIbqbwCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainEARLYMEDIAVALAGE.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iC9S2kUVTTQ/XO0bCrC3_qI/AAAAAAAAAss/2JChfnHL-Qohw-v3izfKUipxeScRjRE0QCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMEDIEVALAGE.jpg

I do not have a Neolithic map. I have a segment with the Neolithic. Here I put my maps of my match with current people and me. I do not know if we are the only ones who have remained alive since then until today. I do not know if these modern matches that match the past are a trip from Spain to there or a round trip.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0w7mYjSavdE/XOsUaJrqIcI/AAAAAAAAAsY/dpQ0T_k9q_IBzp-JV2aiKswM3D-_jrhWQCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainneoliticosegmento.jpg
My match with people of today


https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TFNFv6__1io/XOsEwQ1E4tI/AAAAAAAAArs/lyl1XbG20gAVOqTvdK1AKAXLTm9OxI-bACLcBGAs/s1600/www.familytreednamatchdna.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0CZuT8JYLEo/XOsE6eD4gfI/AAAAAAAAArw/YM5iNnAO9Rg3tlmh4y1hejsj88RdMNHOgCLcBGAs/s1600/www.familytreednamatchdnafamily.jpg

dnainte
28-05-19, 19:59
Your closest Ancient populations: Canaanites and Semites + Hellenic Romans + Ancient Egyptians
Hellenic Roman + Canaanite / Semite (9.246)
Hellenic Roman + Ancient Egyptian (9.729)
Canaanite / Semite (12.77)
Hellenic Roman (17.45)
Ancient Egyptian (18.39)

Your closest genetic modern populations:
1. Syrian (5.015)
2. Jordanian (6.080)
3. Palestinian (7.673)
4. Lebanese_Muslim (7.984)

Angela
28-05-19, 22:08
Your closest Ancient populations: Canaanites and Semites + Hellenic Romans + Ancient Egyptians
Hellenic Roman + Canaanite / Semite (9.246)
Hellenic Roman + Ancient Egyptian (9.729)
Canaanite / Semite (12.77)
Hellenic Roman (17.45)
Ancient Egyptian (18.39)

Your closest genetic modern populations:
1. Syrian (5.015)
2. Jordanian (6.080)
3. Palestinian (7.673)
4. Lebanese_Muslim (7.984)

Interesting that you need a heavily Greek like component to get a better fit. Maybe that sample is not closest to you. A sample from ancient Arabia might give you a better fit.

Salento
29-05-19, 00:06
Euro Timelapse Map (2 sec. GIF)

http://i.imgur.com/RUh2cAI.jpg

Euro Timeline: LivDNA vs MTA
http://i.imgur.com/VHVucuZ.jpg

:thinking: The more we go back in time, the more genetically similar we all were, ... maybe :)

mwauthy
29-05-19, 04:51
Free upload and calculator. Just signup and upload. You can delete it after too. It compares you against a database of ancient samples and models you based on the closest matching populations. Here’s my results. Upgrades only show hidden matches. Doesn’t change the results. Blue dots are confirmed populations. The darker the closer you are. More faded more distant. Red are those where few samples for said population exist so not as conclusive.




https://i.postimg.cc/KcNzZrTL/tru1.png


https://i.postimg.cc/NF7bnCCd/TRU2.png


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.169)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (9.684)
3. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (11.61)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (12.27)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (13.04)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (13.92)
7. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (13.96)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.09)
9. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (14.09)
10. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (14.39)
11. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.68)
12. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.75)
13. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (15.96)
14. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (18.38)
15. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.67)
16. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (19.85)
17. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.02)
18. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.07)
19. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.31)
20. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (20.36)




Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Greek_Thessaly (7.839)
2. Greek (9.494)
3. Tuscan (10.09)
4. Central_Greek (12.00)
5. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
7. [Hidden] - upgrade your account
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account

Thanks for the blue/red descriptions. How exactly does purple fit in?

Gaul + Frank (4.826)
Gaul (7.19)
Frank (8.204)

Salento
29-05-19, 15:21
re-upload 23-v5

new Deep Dive Map
https://i.imgur.com/ANA483l.jpg

Central Roman 590 AD SZ32
Illyrian / Dalmatia 1600 BC I4332
Thracian Bulgaria 450 BC I5769
Mycenaean 1350 BC I9006
Copper Age Anatolia 3800 BC I0184
Bronze Age Armenia 1500 BC Rise397
Hittite Anatolia 1675 BC MA2200
Hittite Anatolia 1875 BC MA2206
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790730
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790729
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790732

https://i.imgur.com/wkR7Vgy.jpg

Carlos
29-05-19, 15:28
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=dd

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=tl
Mine

torzio
29-05-19, 20:41
mine


Scythian ?............maybe this is why I am 1% central-asian and 99% european

https://i.postimg.cc/HWZXdVZM/my-iron-age.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
29-05-19, 23:19
mine


Scythian ?............maybe this is why I am 1% central-asian and 99% european

https://i.postimg.cc/HWZXdVZM/my-iron-age.png (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.imgur.com/VJbI7Pf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/983VPgZ.jpg


I read about the Scythians before, but I'm not familiar at all with the Gepids, and I'm getting contradictory information about them, so I still don't know for sure who the Gepids actually are.

torzio
29-05-19, 23:49
https://i.imgur.com/VJbI7Pf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/983VPgZ.jpg
I read about the Scythians before, but I'm not familiar at all with the Gepids, and I'm getting contradictory information about them, so I still don't know for sure who the Gepids actually are.
Detailed history books state that the Gepids originate in eastern germany, migrated and merged with venedi and aestii tribes (baltic people ) and where then absorbed into gothic society circa 200bc......

Gepids where destroyed by the lombards in eastern austria and then the Avars pushed the lombards into italy

Salento
30-05-19, 21:46
SZ19 SZ32
23-v4 more Roman deep-dives :satisfied: :)

https://i.imgur.com/VjlGivh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UtppmUs.jpg

Szigmund
31-05-19, 11:16
It is a reliable calculator, makes any sense?

My paternal haplogroup is I2a1b-L621, maternal is J1c5a1, and the My True Ancestry says:
Visigoth + Scythian (6.334)
Scythian + Frank (7.18)
Scythian (7.719)

For closest achreogenetic matches:
1. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (7.662) - don't know anything about this sample
3. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (9.752)
5. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (11.21)

2.,4. match of course hidden.

Si what is your opinion? Am I a Scytho-goth?

Duarte
31-05-19, 13:51
It is a reliable calculator, makes any sense?

My paternal haplogroup is I2a1b-L621, maternal is J1c5a1, and the My True Ancestry says:
Visigoth + Scythian (6.334)
Scythian + Frank (7.18)
Scythian (7.719)

For closest achreogenetic matches:
1. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (7.662) - don't know anything about this sample
3. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (9.752)
5. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (11.21)

2.,4. match of course hidden.

Si what is your opinion? Am I a Scytho-goth?

Hello Szigmund,

My maches in these regions are the following. I am Iberian:

Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (23.66) - SZ5
Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (12.23) - scy192
Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (23.26) - SZ38


I am:
Gallo-Roman (6.896)
Visigoth + Illyrian (7.286)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (7.4)
Visigoth (9.863)
Illyrian (11.54)

The only one sample mine that matches yours is the Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) - SZ5
I believe that reading the papers below may help you in some way:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-06024-4
https://i.imgur.com/HMsov0z.png

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/10/eaat4457
https://i.imgur.com/JW4DuCz.png

Hugs :)

Salento
31-05-19, 14:35
I just realized that 2 of my top matches are 100% Red TSI (SZ40 & SZ19).
https://i.imgur.com/gaH3KMI.jpg

:thinking: TSI = Toscani in Italia

(I like better Toscani-Salentini in Italia) lol

fyi Lecce is the Florence of the South! :)

https://www.italythisway.com/places/lecce.php

torzio
31-05-19, 21:04
mine


Scythian ?............maybe this is why I am 1% central-asian and 99% european

https://i.postimg.cc/HWZXdVZM/my-iron-age.png (https://postimages.org/)


Bell_Beaker_Bavaria_I5524 @ 2.559149
ITA_Collegno_MA_CL23 @ 2.691569
French_French33 @ 2.747226
Romanian_G421 @ 2.868206
Italian_Bergamo_HGDP01153 @ 2.975678


The top is only a sample with mtdna of H72 .............I wonder if her father ydna was a T1a2
the next one CL23 is a T1a2-L446 ydna

Duarte
31-05-19, 22:55
Bell_Beaker_Bavaria_I5524 @ 2.559149
ITA_Collegno_MA_CL23 @ 2.691569
French_French33 @ 2.747226
Romanian_G421 @ 2.868206
Italian_Bergamo_HGDP01153 @ 2.975678


The top is only a sample with mtdna of H72 .............I wonder if her father ydna was a T1a2
the next one CL23 is a T1a2-L446 ydna

Hi torzio,
This nomenclature used for the old samples and these distance calculations are not from the MTA. Using the MyTrueAncestry algorithm to calculate the distances, sample CL 23 is nominated as "Medieval Iberian (670 AD) - CL23". Interesting the algorithm that you used. It’s the Eurogenes nMonte 3 or another?
Hugs.

torzio
01-06-19, 01:52
Hi torzio,
This nomenclature used for the old samples and these distance calculations are not from the MTA. Using the MyTrueAncestry algorithm to calculate the distances, sample CL 23 is nominated as "Medieval Iberian (670 AD) - CL23". Interesting the algorithm that you used. It’s the Eurogenes nMonte 3 or another?
Hugs.

Fair call

CL23 is born in Bulgaria , raised in Pannonia and died in north -italy
I was interested in Bell Beaker Bavaria .............it sits with other samples that Trueancestry site https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/50.156/9.382

yes on Eurogenes nmonte

Salento
01-06-19, 03:24
@Duarte CL23 y Haplogroup as of now is T1a2* or T-L446.
It’s a couple of clades away from Torzio and I.

That’s why it is Interesting to us.

Duarte
01-06-19, 13:48
Fair call

CL23 is born in Bulgaria , raised in Pannonia and died in north -italy
I was interested in Bell Beaker Bavaria .............it sits with other samples that Trueancestry site https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#6/50.156/9.382

yes on Eurogenes nmonte


@Duarte CL23 y Haplogroup as of now is T1a2* or T-L446.
It’s a couple of clades away from Torzio and I.

That’s why it is Interesting to us.

Thanks for clarifications guys. Have a nice weekend.

Carlos
01-06-19, 15:51
There is an excess of legionaries and Caesar has decided that some will go to Gladiator, so Salento and Torzio have a week to prepare for the initiation. LOL

brianco
02-06-19, 10:55
My results, no surprise for a British mutt :)

Salento
04-06-19, 07:41
New Ged-Genesis Archaic Matches
There’s a HUGE difference between Combined and single RawData.

Combined @1cm

https://i.imgur.com/jahSV1r.jpg


23 v5 @1cm

https://i.imgur.com/xm8Ph1p.jpg


:thinking: probably I should've opened a new thread :)

Jovialis
04-06-19, 11:06
New Ged-Genesis Archaic Matches
There’s a HUGE difference between Combined and single RawData.
Combined @1cm

https://i.imgur.com/jahSV1r.jpg

23 v5 @1cm

https://i.imgur.com/xm8Ph1p.jpg
:thinking: probably I should've opened a new thread :)

30x coverage of whole-genome sequencing will show even more. That's the "gold standard" of medical and academic DNA testing. This is why people should take genotyping consumer genomics, with a grain of salt. The lack of SNPs impacts the algorthim's interpretation of results. It is like trying to read a book with random pages torn out, or sentences omitted. Right now Dante Labs offers that, but it is still a bit pricey.

Salento
04-06-19, 16:19
MTA - (Combined) Deep Dive & ...

https://i.imgur.com/ZVn4pFm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Fr9MjY0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/58SA0Ux.jpg

Carlos
04-06-19, 17:05
18. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.63) - I7425

Roman Hispania / Illyrian /Roman

Ancient Group
Roman Hispania + Illyrian (5.968)
Roman Hispania + Roman (8.013)
Roman Hispania (9.593)
Roman (11.46)
Illyrian (11.6)

Similar Samples
Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (7.885)
Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (8.926)
Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (9.593)
Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (10.99)
Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (11.07)

Modern Group
1. Spanish_Extremadura (10.02)
2. North_Italian (10.14)
3. Spanish_Murcia (10.85)
4. Portuguese (11.16)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (11.81)
6. Tuscan (12.58)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.84)
8. Spanish_Galicia (12.90)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zWuoDKFn-A8/XOhAnyBHb7I/AAAAAAAAAq8/sdhfIuh9Rrw70hbByBT8YjYD_P54GewzwCLcBGAs/s1600/metimeline2.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kD2pBAux3OI/XKfP-ym4rVI/AAAAAAAAAUs/_sWMhEITP_ASIfY5YNB9aGvwTfsoqgwXQCLcBGAs/s1600/ZZ2243872_EB4566MORISCOGRANADA.jpeg

Comparison of my kit with Moorish Granada. I do not get anything with anyone with that one plus one so I have to look for life.

Salento
04-06-19, 17:08
30x coverage of whole-genome sequencing will show even more. That's the "gold standard" of medical and academic DNA testing. This is why people should take genotyping consumer genomics, with a grain of salt. The lack of SNPs impacts the algorthim's interpretation of results. It is like trying to read a book with random pages torn out, or sentences omitted. Right now Dante Labs offers that, but it is still a bit pricey.

Full genome sequencing it's not cheap, but what about 3rd party compatibility?

Dante Labs $599 (RawData + Gen. Diseases)

Helix $499 (RawData only)

Jovialis
04-06-19, 17:17
Superkit in AncestryDNA format:

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.803)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.635)
Hellenic Roman (8.423)
Roman (13.58)
Ancient Greek (14.4)

Superkit in FTDNA format:

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.815)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.665)
Hellenic Roman (8.412)
Roman (13.58)
Ancient Greek (14.43)

Both give me 0.67 cM for Mycenean I9033

Jovialis
04-06-19, 17:18
Full genome sequencing it's not cheap, but what about 3rd party compatibility?

Dante Labs $599 (RawData + Gen. Diseases)

Helix $499 (RawData only)

MytrueAncestry is compatible with it, and I think Gedmatch as well. But I'm sure in the coming years, all of the consumer genomic testing companies will make the change from genotyping to sequencing, once it is cost efficient.

Jovialis
04-06-19, 17:22
^^Now that Geno 2.0 is going out of business, I hope Helix gets a new "flagship" ancestry test. We're already sequenced through them, but their platform does not have a test that fully utilize the information they have.

Carlos
04-06-19, 17:43
I have also found this conclusion of the author of the article:

Definitely. From the humble opinion of a fan of ancient history there was a town with a different culture to the Celtic and the Iberian that inhabited our peninsula from the final bronze, without ruling out that it was already there from time immemorial. This town was mixed with the Iberian and Celtic in subsequent invasions losing part of their identity, thus hindering the work of researchers.
Archaeologists and historians have a difficult subject pending with Ilirios and Ligures. Let's hope for new results in the meantime.

http://hispanosenguerra.blogspot.com/2014/12/ilirios-y-ligures.html

https://www.tesorillo.com/hispania/imagenes/hispania7.gif

After seeing this map everything must be more complex than what has been sold to date.

Maps of my mitochondrial DNA and DNA
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--62aId9FPdo/XPMtZFAxkuI/AAAAAAAAAvo/-W82apubYyYlCNAT4btMzlyRmD2Tv_uNwCLcBGAs/s1600/MAPAMITOCONDRIALM%25C3%258DO.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4Jdi3edFboM/XPMtLji6ISI/AAAAAAAAAvk/YoQ4ZNGFeoIfwFFI9gNf5pq3RHoacFdaACLcBGAs/s1600/mapadnaYmio.jpeg

5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8)

Similar Samples
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (6.456)
Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (7.049)
Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (7.332)
Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.422)
Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (9.028)

Modern Groups
1. Spanish_Extremadura (6.749)
2. Spanish_Murcia (6.887)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (6.957)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (7.206)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (7.233)
6. Spanish_Valencia (7.494)
7. North_Italian (7.731)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.798)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xt4QEPccE9Q/XOAIygKOo9I/AAAAAAAAAos/ZsfdRtQiY68h8g_7LTDR20suVRuKFyhugCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252826%2529.png
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-svKXBd6c5I4/XPaQHBhvXtI/AAAAAAAAAyI/Nn1smbiacY4h3U6EXduZ2Vg9A46183M5gCLcBGAs/s1600/metimeline2CLARAdetalleilirio.jpg

I have Illyrians just at the same time as the bronze of Portugal 1600 BC (by the way Duarte I have bronze Portugal and you do not lol) and then in 1200 BC.

Duarte
04-06-19, 20:38
Thanks
I have also found this conclusion of the author of the article:

Definitely. From the humble opinion of a fan of ancient history there was a town with a different culture to the Celtic and the Iberian that inhabited our peninsula from the final bronze, without ruling out that it was already there from time immemorial. This town was mixed with the Iberian and Celtic in subsequent invasions losing part of their identity, thus hindering the work of researchers.
Archaeologists and historians have a difficult subject pending with Ilirios and Ligures. Let's hope for new results in the meantime.

http://hispanosenguerra.blogspot.com/2014/12/ilirios-y-ligures.html

https://www.tesorillo.com/hispania/imagenes/hispania7.gif

After seeing this map everything must be more complex than what has been sold to date.

Maps of my mitochondrial DNA and DNA
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--62aId9FPdo/XPMtZFAxkuI/AAAAAAAAAvo/-W82apubYyYlCNAT4btMzlyRmD2Tv_uNwCLcBGAs/s1600/MAPAMITOCONDRIALM%25C3%258DO.jpeg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4Jdi3edFboM/XPMtLji6ISI/AAAAAAAAAvk/YoQ4ZNGFeoIfwFFI9gNf5pq3RHoacFdaACLcBGAs/s1600/mapadnaYmio.jpeg

5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.8)

Similar Samples
Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (6.456)
Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (7.049)
Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (7.332)
Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.422)
Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (9.028)

Modern Groups
1. Spanish_Extremadura (6.749)
2. Spanish_Murcia (6.887)
3. Spanish_Cataluna (6.957)
4. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (7.206)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (7.233)
6. Spanish_Valencia (7.494)
7. North_Italian (7.731)
8. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.798)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xt4QEPccE9Q/XOAIygKOo9I/AAAAAAAAAos/ZsfdRtQiY68h8g_7LTDR20suVRuKFyhugCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252826%2529.png
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-svKXBd6c5I4/XPaQHBhvXtI/AAAAAAAAAyI/Nn1smbiacY4h3U6EXduZ2Vg9A46183M5gCLcBGAs/s1600/metimeline2CLARAdetalleilirio.jpg

I have Illyrians just at the same time as the bronze of Portugal 1600 BC (by the way Duarte I have bronze Portugal and you do not lol) and then in 1200 BC.

Hello Carlos.
I do not know why these Portuguese of the Bronze Age do not appear in my ancestral timeline, because I have the connection below with them in the "Deep Dive":

https://i.imgur.com/xJNZU2m.jpg


Maybe MTA believes they are not important, I do not know. LOL :laughing:.
Hugs dear friend. :good_job: :smile:

Salento
05-06-19, 14:48
Superkit in AncestryDNA format:

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.803)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.635)
Hellenic Roman (8.423)
Roman (13.58)
Ancient Greek (14.4)

Superkit in FTDNA format:

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.815)
Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.665)
Hellenic Roman (8.412)
Roman (13.58)
Ancient Greek (14.43)

Both give me 0.67 cM for Mycenean I9033

Which of these 2 formats do you think is better.

My last SuperKit is the DNA-KS 23 default.

I downloaded the latest DNA Kit Studio version,
But I haven't installed it yet.

... v2.6
Added MTDNA prediction for RAW files, VCF files and Yoruban Fixed RAW Analysis with new FTDNA files ...

http://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/

Jovialis
05-06-19, 14:56
Which of these 2 formats do you think is better.

My last SuperKit is the DNA-KS 23 default.

I downloaded the latest DNA Kit Studio version,
But I haven't installed it yet.

... v2.6
Added MTDNA prediction for RAW files, VCF files and Yoruban Fixed RAW Analysis with new FTDNA files ...

http://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/

For MTA, these formats are pretty equal. They were both made with DNA kit studio. They also work the best with Admixture Studio.

Salento
05-06-19, 15:31
For MTA, these formats are pretty equal. They were both made with DNA kit studio. They also work the best with Admixture Studio.

I used DNA kit studio too.

MTA 23 issue: Did you convert the 23andme v5 RawData in-to other formats, And if you did, did you get better results?

... too many questions :) That’s the last one.

Jovialis
05-06-19, 16:07
https://i.imgur.com/9T1iHD8.gif

Here is a GIF of my Euro Timelapes Map.

Salento
05-06-19, 16:30
My GIF Euro Timelapses and yours are almost identical.

https://i.imgur.com/RUh2cAI.gif



Mycenaeans from Ancestry RawD:


https://i.imgur.com/2fwmSAf.jpg
Hellenic Roman + Roman (7.219)
Ancient Greek + Roman (8.144)
Hellenic Roman (10.14)
Roman (12.8)
Ancient Greek (14.73)

Jovialis
05-06-19, 16:30
I used DNA kit studio too.

MTA 23 issue: Did you convert the 23andme v5 RawData in-to other formats, And if you did, did you get better results?

... too many questions :) That’s the last one.

I haven't tried it yet.

ArdianTH
05-06-19, 22:16
Can't post a map due to not having written enough posts, however, mine looks more or less exactly like Dibrans. The only difference being that I've got some Ostrogoth.


Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Kosovan (5.285)
2. Greek (5.314)
3. Bulgarian (9.507)
4. Greek_Thessaly (9.633)
5. Tuscan (9.906)
6. Italian_Abruzzo (11.06)
7. West_Sicilian (11.42)
8. Central_Greek (12.05)


Your closest Ancient populations...


Roman

RomansHellenic RomansGallo-Romans


Roman (7.701)
Gallo-Roman + Hellenic Roman (8.834)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (9.917)
Hellenic Roman (13.58)
Gallo-Roman (14.74)

Salento
06-06-19, 05:56
I haven't tried it yet.
23andme v5 converted to Ancestry format

2 extra deep dive samples, the rest is almost all the same.

23 v5 to Ancestry Deep Dive

Central Roman 590 AD SZ32
Illyrian / Dalmatia 1600 BC I4332
Thracian Bulgaria 450 BC I5769
Mycenaean 1350 BC I9006
Mycenaean 1350 BC I9041
Minoan 2000 BC I0071
Copper Age Anatolia 3800 BC I0184
Bronze Age Armenia 1500 BC Rise397
Hittite Anatolia 1675 BC MA2200
Hittite Anatolia 1875 BC MA2206
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790730
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790729
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790732


Latest 23 v5 Deep Dive

Central Roman 590 AD SZ32
Illyrian / Dalmatia 1600 BC I4332
Thracian Bulgaria 450 BC I5769
Mycenaean 1350 BC I9006
Copper Age Anatolia 3800 BC I0184
Bronze Age Armenia 1500 BC Rise397
Hittite Anatolia 1675 BC MA2200
Hittite Anatolia 1875 BC MA2206
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790730
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790729
Canaanite 1600 BC ERS1790732

Salento
06-06-19, 07:18
Combined (Ancestry Format)

Deep Dive
https://i.imgur.com/NhwPZZk.png
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (9.519) - SZ40
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.52) - SZ36
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (13.24) - CL121
4. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.26) - SZ19
5. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (13.54) - CL38

Salento
06-06-19, 16:10
New Combined 23 Format
(small Deep Dive difference)

https://i.imgur.com/DWx7Rrg.jpg

Carlos
06-06-19, 16:16
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-to8vQ9v8syY/XPkdVSMKx4I/AAAAAAAAAyg/ODPspWKlxWoH6tWrYBxD26_ja01vIzg2QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.py%2B%252852%2529bellbea ker.png

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BahKw7GOSFs/XPkdjbaegRI/AAAAAAAAAyk/SoSneg1Iqtg2ckavA_naYiUP_cS1t48mACLcBGAs/s1600/bellebeckermoi.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Campaniforme_Ciempozuelos_%28M.A.N._Inv.32252%29_0 1.jpg/800px-Campaniforme_Ciempozuelos_%28M.A.N._Inv.32252%29_0 1.jpg

https://www.peoplescollection.wales/sites/default/files/images/2015/July/Naaboths%20Beaker_0.jpg

http://what-when-how.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/tmp729_thumb.jpg

Joey37
10-06-19, 00:58
11133I looked at mine again...I share DNA with Celtic/Viking Iceland 1000AD...hey I could be Bjork's brother11132

Duarte
10-06-19, 02:27
MyTrueAncestry Team Message:New Samples Added: More Mummies, Carthaginians and Phoenicians.
- New 12th Dynasty Mummies! Meet Khnum-Nakht and Nekht-Ankh (http://www.ancient-egypt.co.uk/manchester/pages/the%20two%20brothers.htm). Are you related?
- Carthaginians and Phoenicians added. See if you share ancestry with these ancient peoples!

In my specific case there appeared a match with Carthaginians of Ibiza:

https://i.imgur.com/4uzQLi6.png

Carlos
10-06-19, 02:37
^^

Apparently he had European ancestry. We had a concept of those ancient ethnic groups as if they were pure and really those that were transformed when they contacted Europe were them. WHG


46. Carthaginian Ibiza (270 BC) (22.14) - MS10614 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Ancient GroupModern GroupSimiliar SamplesResearch Link
Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (13.84)
Neolithic Ireland (3200 BC) (14.23)
Neolithic Orkney Islands (3220 BC) (14.75)
Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.24)
Neolithic Orkney Islands (3250 BC) (15.74)

1. Spanish_Andalucia (16.10)
2. Spanish_Aragon (17.13)
3. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (17.62)
4. Spanish_Valencia (17.72)
5. Spanish_Cantabria (19.47)
6. Southwest_French (19.75)
7. Spanish_Murcia (19.85)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (20.14)


Compare New. How is it used?

Salento
10-06-19, 04:17
About “Compare New”

I suppose it works best with the Kits of two different people.

It compares 2 different kits.

For example:

- You can compare yourself and your brother and see the differences on a map

- You can compare yourself using your RawData of 2 different companies, but I doubt you’ll see much differences (you’ll probably get almost all green dots)

- a Parent can compare with the children (One at a time)

- and so on.

About the New Samples:
I don't have any of the New Samples in my results!

Carlos
10-06-19, 15:20
Ancient DNA study finds Phoenician from Carthage had European ancestry


https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/csz/news/800/2016/ancientdnast.jpg

https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/gfx/news/hires/2016/ancientdnast.jpg

A research team co-led by a scientist at New Zealand's University of Otago has sequenced the first complete mitochondrial genome of a 2500-year-old Phoenician dubbed the "Young Man of Byrsa" or "Ariche".

This is the first ancient DNA to be obtained from Phoenician remains and the team's analysis shows that the man belonged to a rare European haplogroup—a genetic group with a common ancestor—that likely links his maternal ancestry to locations somewhere on the North Mediterranean coast, most probably on the Iberian Peninsula.
The findings are newly published in the prestigious international journal PLOS ONE.
Study co-leader Professor Lisa Matisoo-Smith of the Department of Anatomy says the findings provide the earliest evidence of the European mitochondrial haplogroup U5b2cl in North Africa and date its arrival to at least the late sixth century BC.
"U5b2cl is considered to be one of the most ancient haplogroups in Europe and is associated with hunter-gatherer populations there. It is remarkably rare in modern populations today, found in Europe at levels of less than one per cent. Interestingly, our analysis showed that Ariche's mitochondrial genetic make-up most closely matches that of the sequence of a particular modern day individual from Portugal," Professor Matisoo-Smith says.
While the Phoenicians are thought to have originated from the area that is now Lebanon, their influence expanded across the Mediterranean and west to the Iberian Peninsula where they established settlements and trading posts. The city of Carthage in Tunisia, North Africa, was established as a Phoenician port by colonists from Lebanon and became the centre for later Phoenician (Punic) trade.
The researchers analysed the mitochondrial DNA of 47 modern Lebanese people and found none were of the U5b2cl lineage.
Previous research has found that U5b2cl was present in two ancient hunter-gatherers recovered from an archaeological site in north-western Spain, she says.
"While a wave of farming peoples from the Near East replaced these hunter-gatherers, some of their lineages may have persisted longer in the far south of the Iberian peninsula and on off-shore islands and were then transported to the melting pot of Carthage in North Africa via Phoenician and Punic trade networks."
Professor Matisoo-Smith says Phoenician culture and trade had a significant impact on Western civilisation. For example, they introduced the first alphabetic writing system.
"However, we still know little about the Phoenicians themselves, except for the likely biased accounts by their Roman and Greek rivals—hopefully our findings and other continuing research will cast further light on the origins and impact of Phoenician peoples and their culture," she says.



https://phys.org/news/2016-05-ancient-dna-phoenician-carthage-european.html

Pelaska
11-06-19, 07:13
Why it doesn't support ftdna?I have only ftdna.

Duarte
11-06-19, 12:32
Why it doesn't support ftdna?I have only ftdna.

They accept the DNA data raw from FTDNA. Try uploading in the free version. If you are satisfied with the beginning results displayed, you can purchase some of the paid versions to obtain more details. Hugs.

https://i.imgur.com/C1Rv1AY.jpg

Carlos
11-06-19, 20:35
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oLYAMEZAieg/XP_t5NuKB1I/AAAAAAAAAzQ/C6Pyk_U2VIwnWOGkSvd7a9G7tDHzvCCrQCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCARTAGO.jpg

My new and brand new map. Carlos the scourge of Rome.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KDoxvNrTmOw/XP5XWMDrjoI/AAAAAAAAAy8/XXyDcvFv7JI5SFK2shcmrl2Mxc7703ASACLcBGAs/s1600/cartaginesantiguo.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dDMUxC-ZAVk/XP_zffsImEI/AAAAAAAAAzc/htMUcnVSxyc4f6cZcSDN-ipPKbRTKWs1gCLcBGAs/s1600/moiazotederoma.jpg

I do not know if we look something.

Jovialis
11-06-19, 21:00
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oLYAMEZAieg/XP_t5NuKB1I/AAAAAAAAAzQ/C6Pyk_U2VIwnWOGkSvd7a9G7tDHzvCCrQCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCARTAGO.jpg

My new and brand new map. Carlos the scourge of Rome.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KDoxvNrTmOw/XP5XWMDrjoI/AAAAAAAAAy8/XXyDcvFv7JI5SFK2shcmrl2Mxc7703ASACLcBGAs/s1600/cartaginesantiguo.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dDMUxC-ZAVk/XP_zffsImEI/AAAAAAAAAzc/htMUcnVSxyc4f6cZcSDN-ipPKbRTKWs1gCLcBGAs/s1600/moiazotederoma.jpg

I do not know if we look something.

Pretty cool,

For Iron Age, I just get Sythian and thracian, blue dots.

I think the early Medieval period is more informative for me:

https://i.imgur.com/f6QUTsG.png

GIF of the rest:

https://i.imgur.com/9T1iHD8.gif

Jovialis
11-06-19, 21:09
https://i.imgur.com/1wphNlX.png

My archaeological map is still the same.

My affinity is primarily to Hellenic Romans, Central Romans, and to a lesser extent, Roman Iberia during the late-Imperial period.

https://i.imgur.com/Q8UrtU6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rRftbik.png
https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

Duarte
11-06-19, 21:27
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oLYAMEZAieg/XP_t5NuKB1I/AAAAAAAAAzQ/C6Pyk_U2VIwnWOGkSvd7a9G7tDHzvCCrQCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCARTAGO.jpg

My new and brand new map. Carlos the scourge of Rome.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KDoxvNrTmOw/XP5XWMDrjoI/AAAAAAAAAy8/XXyDcvFv7JI5SFK2shcmrl2Mxc7703ASACLcBGAs/s1600/cartaginesantiguo.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dDMUxC-ZAVk/XP_zffsImEI/AAAAAAAAAzc/htMUcnVSxyc4f6cZcSDN-ipPKbRTKWs1gCLcBGAs/s1600/moiazotederoma.jpg

I do not know if we look something.

This is my new map of the Iron Age. Like yours:

https://i.imgur.com/KB4qALT.png

Salento
11-06-19, 22:04
Pretty cool,

For Iron Age, I just get Sythian and thracian, blue dots.

I think the early Medieval period is more informative for me:

https://i.imgur.com/f6QUTsG.png

GIF of the rest:

https://i.imgur.com/9T1iHD8.gif
No change. My GIF, ... could be yours :)

https://i.imgur.com/RUh2cAI.gif

Carlos
12-06-19, 01:31
Duarte we are homozygous twins or something like that.

Duarte
12-06-19, 02:26
Duarte we are homozygous twins or something like that.

LOL. I think so, dear bro Carlos. We have the same ancestral history in Europe. :good_job: We are ancestral twins. We have powerful ancestors in common.:smile:

The Carthaginian warriors of Ibiza gave a lot of work to the Greeks and the Romans. In the Carthaginian armies, the Balearic fighters fired on the enemies many oval projectiles from 4 cm to 6 cm, before the Carthaginian infantry departed for the assault. The Balearics warriors also used short swords for melee combat. They were present in the Carthaginian victory over the Greeks in Sicily in the fifth century BC and also in the Punic wars against Rome. :grin:

Salento
13-06-19, 02:54
Me vs Salento :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/E7NJqLs.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/pzl5wEc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TI51xMz.jpg

(Similar for all kits)

Duarte
13-06-19, 04:32
Me vs Salento :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/E7NJqLs.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/pzl5wEc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TI51xMz.jpg

(Similar for all kits)

Data checked, reviewed and validated. You and Salento are the same person. Now, above all, it is scientifically proven. No doubt. I authorize the publish of the paper.:grin: Night dear friend.:good_job::smile:

Duarte
13-06-19, 05:43
Me vs Salento :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/E7NJqLs.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/pzl5wEc.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TI51xMz.jpg

(Similar for all kits)

Me (FTDNA) X Myself (MyHeritage):

https://i.imgur.com/2ZeCN2x.jpg

Salento
13-06-19, 06:26
Me (FTDNA) X Myself (MyHeritage):

https://i.imgur.com/2ZeCN2x.jpg

I know you know that I know that you know it's Totally you! :grin:

matty74
13-06-19, 08:45
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=1


https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=2

matty74
13-06-19, 08:48
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=3

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=4

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=5

Duarte
13-06-19, 13:36
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=3

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=4

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=7yx38xslgm&slide=5

Hi matty, good morning.
I tried to see your images, both on PC (windows) and smartphone (iOS), but I couldn't.:good_job:

Salento
13-06-19, 15:19
Father vs Mother
https://i.imgur.com/nN4c4D8.jpg

Father vs Child
https://i.imgur.com/Duabc8c.jpg

Mother vs Child
https://i.imgur.com/iq8oZ6h.jpg

... don’t ask ...

Salento
13-06-19, 16:05
Father:
https://i.imgur.com/Dm0eAx8.jpg

Mother:
https://i.imgur.com/uuLEuRL.jpg

Child:
https://i.imgur.com/2Wwunri.jpg

... don’t ask ... 23andme

EDIT: Not my Parents.

Duarte
13-06-19, 17:22
@Salento. Cool. You share a lot with both. I think that, in the end, your mother pushes you a little further north and your father pushes you a little further south :)

Interesting. My closest Archaeogenetics matches changed one more time. Now I have three matches with Scythians. Before, I had only one:
10. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (12.23) - scy305
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (12.23) - scy192
22. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (15.19) - scy311

https://i.imgur.com/qItddYu.png

My ancestral timeline also changed.

Now is that:

https://i.imgur.com/rMWkL4v.png
Before was that:

https://i.imgur.com/6GFRnle.png
My closest Ancient populations continue the same:

https://i.imgur.com/riIYizo.png

Salento
13-06-19, 17:25
@Duarte: those are not my Parents. LOL

Duarte
13-06-19, 17:43
@Duarte: those are not my Parents. LOL

Ooops. I made a mistake. LOL. :laughing::good_job::grin:

Salento
13-06-19, 18:07
Timelines: (Parents & Child)
https://i.imgur.com/Rv8pFMh.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hOxPzwu.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/O1PpZsx.jpg
Edit:
:thinking: :satisfied:

Jovialis
13-06-19, 18:11
https://i.imgur.com/14YDuRL.png

Here's a comparison of my two Superkits (FTDNA & AncestryDNA formats); they both match.

Salento
13-06-19, 19:08
2 of my Timelines:
https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xCE8geg.jpg

Jovialis
13-06-19, 19:34
2 of my Timelines:
https://i.imgur.com/E9g1CUp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xCE8geg.jpg

I still think the deep dive matches may be false positives. Nevertheless, I think it serves as some utility to infer their affinity is meaningful.

I think the real connection we have to Anatolia, and the samples throughout the region comes directly from Anatolian Copper Age. That our relations to the subsequent samples are because of our relation to Anatolian Copper Age, and there may not be a direct relation to the Hittites or Canaanites. I match closer to the Copper Age sample from 3,800 BC, than I do to all other subsequent samples in the region that are in the Bronze-age. Interestingly, the Anatolian Copper Age sample needs to be modeled as Hellenic Roman + Hittite. Moreover it is relatively close to the Hellenic Roman, and Mycenaean samples.

https://i.imgur.com/8wMTbUr.png

Here is info on the Anatolian Copper Age sample:
https://i.imgur.com/hlncc8l.png
https://i.imgur.com/rh2F3Rf.png
https://i.imgur.com/FJx1OMt.png

Salento
13-06-19, 20:49
Strangely 10184 doesn’t have the “Research Links” tab.
EDIT - don’t mind the name, I posted it before too :)
https://i.imgur.com/IaUOTe7.jpg

RagnarofMacedon
14-06-19, 03:47
Ancestral Timeline

11140
Your closest Ancient populations...
Scythia

Roman

Scythians Romans Gauls

Scythian + Roman (9.311)
Scythian + Gaul (13.51)
Roman (15.45)
Scythian (15.99)
Gaul (17.81)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Romanian (5.229)
2. Macedonian (6.321)
3. Bulgarian (7.112)
4. Greek_Thessaly (7.429)
5. Bosnian (7.802)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (8.814)

6. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (15.18)
7. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.8)
8. Central Roman (590 AD) (17.81)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (18.13)
12. Central Roman (590 AD) (19.4)
15. Central Roman (670 AD) (20.31)


What is Tyrolian ?

Duarte
14-06-19, 12:33
Ancestral Timeline

11140
Your closest Ancient populations...
Scythia

Roman

Scythians Romans Gauls

Scythian + Roman (9.311)
Scythian + Gaul (13.51)
Roman (15.45)
Scythian (15.99)
Gaul (17.81)

Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Romanian (5.229)
2. Macedonian (6.321)
3. Bulgarian (7.112)
4. Greek_Thessaly (7.429)
5. Bosnian (7.802)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...


1. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (8.814)

6. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (15.18)
7. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.8)
8. Central Roman (590 AD) (17.81)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (18.13)
12. Central Roman (590 AD) (19.4)
15. Central Roman (670 AD) (20.31)


What is Tyrolian ?


Hello RagnarofMacedon,
Tyrolean is the people of Tyrol, historically the Tyrole; In German: Tirol; In Italian: Tirolo, is a historical region in the Alps; in Northern Italy and western Austria.
https://i.imgur.com/sIwYm9I.png
https://i.imgur.com/Pd5eIVs.png

Hugs:)

Carlos
15-06-19, 00:46
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VnWY4J3LvwU/XQP-w-A1eOI/AAAAAAAAAzo/hNhAfVtDlLAElvACM7B4W-sjtBCgDJx9QCLcBGAs/s1600/timelinenovisima.jpg
11. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (14.91) - scy305

1. Spanish_Valencia (6.920)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (8.068)
3. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (8.406)
4. Spanish_Aragon (8.612)
5. Spanish_Murcia (8.810)
6. Southwest_French (9.627)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (9.714)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (9.839)

12. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192

1. North_Italian (6.593)
2. Portuguese (10.71)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (10.87)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (10.93)
5. Spanish_Murcia (11.34)
6. Tuscan (11.61)
7. Spanish_Galicia (11.82)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (11.84)

14. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (15.69) - scy311

1. French (6.455)
2. South_Dutch (9.015)
3. West_German (10.95)
4. Spanish_Galicia (11.63)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.67)
6. Portuguese (12.24)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.66)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (13.74)

My new Timeline.

Salento
15-06-19, 06:02
... Rise a Knight ...

https://i.imgur.com/QbPckYT.png
Combined
https://i.imgur.com/ANbTD0v.jpg
23v5
https://i.imgur.com/M8EpwHn.jpg


Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-41

Y R-DF27 - mtDNA HV0a

1. Italian_Abruzzo (12.59)
2. Tuscan (12.82)
3. West_Sicilian (14.53)
4. North_Italian (16.20)
5. East_Sicilian (16.34)
6. Central_Greek (16.92)
7. Kosovan (17.76)
8. South_Italian (17.98)

Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (10.2)
Central Roman (670 AD) (11.61)
Central Roman (590 AD) (13.56)
Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (14.26)
Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (14.68)


Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-53

Y R-CTS300 - mtDNA T2

1. Tuscan (13.13)
2. West_Sicilian (13.22)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (14.44)
4. Maltese (15.00)
5. North_Italian (15.60)
6. Greek (16.25)
7. Kosovan (17.16)
8. East_Sicilian (17.23)

Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (10.61)
Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (12.08)
Central Roman (670 AD) (13.13)
Central Roman (590 AD) (13.73)
Central Roman (590 AD) (13.81)

Duarte
15-06-19, 12:50
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VnWY4J3LvwU/XQP-w-A1eOI/AAAAAAAAAzo/hNhAfVtDlLAElvACM7B4W-sjtBCgDJx9QCLcBGAs/s1600/timelinenovisima.jpg
11. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (14.91) - scy305

1. Spanish_Valencia (6.920)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (8.068)
3. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (8.406)
4. Spanish_Aragon (8.612)
5. Spanish_Murcia (8.810)
6. Southwest_French (9.627)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (9.714)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (9.839)

12. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.13) - scy192

1. North_Italian (6.593)
2. Portuguese (10.71)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (10.87)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (10.93)
5. Spanish_Murcia (11.34)
6. Tuscan (11.61)
7. Spanish_Galicia (11.82)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (11.84)

14. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (15.69) - scy311

1. French (6.455)
2. South_Dutch (9.015)
3. West_German (10.95)
4. Spanish_Galicia (11.63)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (11.67)
6. Portuguese (12.24)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.66)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (13.74)

My new Timeline.


... Rise a Knight ...

https://i.imgur.com/QbPckYT.png
Combined
https://i.imgur.com/ANbTD0v.jpg
23v5
https://i.imgur.com/M8EpwHn.jpg


Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-41

Y R-DF27 - mtDNA HV0a

1. Italian_Abruzzo (12.59)
2. Tuscan (12.82)
3. West_Sicilian (14.53)
4. North_Italian (16.20)
5. East_Sicilian (16.34)
6. Central_Greek (16.92)
7. Kosovan (17.76)
8. South_Italian (17.98)

Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (10.2)
Central Roman (670 AD) (11.61)
Central Roman (590 AD) (13.56)
Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (14.26)
Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (14.68)


Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-53

Y R-CTS300 - mtDNA T2

1. Tuscan (13.13)
2. West_Sicilian (13.22)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (14.44)
4. Maltese (15.00)
5. North_Italian (15.60)
6. Greek (16.25)
7. Kosovan (17.16)
8. East_Sicilian (17.23)

Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (10.61)
Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (12.08)
Central Roman (670 AD) (13.13)
Central Roman (590 AD) (13.73)
Central Roman (590 AD) (13.81)

Good morning guys. Cool.:good_job::smile:

Duarte
15-06-19, 14:10
This is my new Archaeological Euro Map:

https://i.imgur.com/sRVLlQh.png

Now, for me too, appears three crusaders in the list of ancient samples:
Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) (16.71) - SI-40
Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (22.56) - SI-53
Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (23.16) - SI-41

https://i.imgur.com/CFz3Xzb.png

Salento
15-06-19, 15:17
My Tuscan Knight Crusader (post #878) ... now ... Crusader
(just a graphic update, I guess) :smile:

Combined
https://i.imgur.com/0SUqytM.jpg

23v5
https://i.imgur.com/pNiQoCY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QbPckYT.png

Salento
15-06-19, 16:39
@Duarte:

Directions to the Kingdom of Heaven:
“You go to where the men speak Italian, and then continue until they speak something else” lol

“Rise a Knight“


https://youtu.be/PX5Bi-6jqe4

Carlos
15-06-19, 16:57
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=hdhttps://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=fi3hp1zcf4&s=arch_asia



New for me


10. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) (14.62)

Modern Group

1. Southwest_French (9.072)
2. Spanish_Aragon (10.55)
3. Spanish_Valencia (11.45)
4. Spanish_Cantabria (11.72)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (12.31)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (12.80)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (12.92)
8. French_Basque (13.15)

Similar Samples

Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (13.21)
Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (13.22)
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (14.03)
Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (15.14)
Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (15.15)



https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SmiSIdke9TI/XQUMTbG1_jI/AAAAAAAAAz0/mTu6raz2xRIAZVL8shdBJ77BXgsanA4FwCLcBGAs/s1600/Imagen%2B074recortada2.jpg

https://www.barinas.net.ve/sites/default/files/styles/max_325x325/public/media/2017-09/img/cruzadas02.jpg?itok=vwN35L0P

You have to amortize the investment.

Duarte
15-06-19, 17:35
@Salento @Carlos :good_job::smile::grin:

I did a new upload of raw data of FTDNA. New informations appeared. I recomend that all do the same. Hugs :)
https://i.imgur.com/Wbobl86.png
https://i.imgur.com/yLkd3rk.png
https://i.imgur.com/MwbKg1O.png
https://i.imgur.com/IKuYngY.png
https://i.imgur.com/jsKRakU.png
https://i.imgur.com/SQFbGRn.png
https://i.imgur.com/JtJvl5M.png
https://i.imgur.com/X6SA88s.png
https://i.imgur.com/S3xRLDt.png
https://i.imgur.com/pOgzSPe.png
https://i.imgur.com/ftRT8Tq.png
https://i.imgur.com/K5t1rn5.png
New pics and respective descriptions:
https://i.imgur.com/zEfSFc2.png
https://i.imgur.com/o2BHKIy.png

Pax Augusta
15-06-19, 19:15
My Tuscan Knight Crusader (post #878) ... now ... Crusader
(just a graphic update, I guess) :smile:


Your Tuscan Knight Crusader wasn't a Tuscan but someone of European and Near Eastern ancestry and can be modelled, besides being a mixture of Tuscan and Lebanese, also as a mixture of North Italian and Lebanese, and Iberian and Lebanese and so on I guess.

Salento
15-06-19, 20:09
@Pax
I didn’t name the Tuscan Knight, MTA did, besides, I like how “Tuscan Knight” sound :)

(Lo so che usano la somiglianza genetica per assegnare nomi a questi personaggi in provetta)

TardisBlue
15-06-19, 20:23
I too have this Crusader guy (Tuscan/Lebanon) from 1250 AD in my ancestral timeline.

Pax Augusta
15-06-19, 20:48
@Pax
I didn’t name the Tuscan Knight, MTA did, besides, I like how “My Tuscan Knight” sound :)

(Lo so che usano la somiglianza genetica per assegnare nomi a questi personaggi in provetta)

It is not correct how MTA labeled these samples, in a PCA these samples do not even group with the Tuscans. 12.82 and 13.13 are both significant distances. No person who is 100% Tuscan can get Tuscan at those distances. Being they were mixed they end up in an isolated area that doesn't really correspond to any Italian population.

Unfortunately, these tools, rather than clarifying, risk only increasing the confusion that already exists around genetics.


Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-41

Y R-DF27 - mtDNA HV0a

1. Italian_Abruzzo (12.59)
2. Tuscan (12.82)
3. West_Sicilian (14.53)
4. North_Italian (16.20)



Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-53

Y R-CTS300 - mtDNA T2

1. Tuscan (13.13)
2. West_Sicilian (13.22)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (14.44)
4. Maltese (15.00)
5. North_Italian (15.60)

Salento
15-06-19, 21:11
It is not correct how MTA labeled these samples, in a PCA these samples do not even group with the Tuscans. 12.82 and 13.13 are both significant distances. No person who is 100% Tuscan can get Tuscan at those distances. Being they were mixed they end up in an isolated area that doesn't really correspond to any Italian population.

Unfortunately, these tools, rather than clarifying, risk only increasing the confusion that already exists around genetics.


Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-41

Y R-DF27 - mtDNA HV0a

1. Italian_Abruzzo (12.59)
2. Tuscan (12.82)
3. West_Sicilian (14.53)
4. North_Italian (16.20)



Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) - SI-53

Y R-CTS300 - mtDNA T2

1. Tuscan (13.13)
2. West_Sicilian (13.22)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (14.44)
4. Maltese (15.00)
5. North_Italian (15.60)


I don’t take it too seriously, they’re more like an indication, a curiosity, ... hobby and entertainment.

... new kit (re-upload)

Archaeological Map:
https://i.imgur.com/BNMYCi4.jpg

Deep Dive Map:
https://i.imgur.com/PtQURAD.jpg

Timeline:
https://i.imgur.com/HMIEDLa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WSlADsp.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/QbPckYT.png

(Timelapse added only the Crusaders)

New Englander
15-06-19, 23:00
Lots of updates recently, think I spoke to soon in my other post. Im still confused about British ancestry (guess they were not in the island for very long? Im MtDNA J so that makes little sense) as well as the Middle Age map.

I still cant figure out how to attach the map pictures like everyone else, so this is just typed out......

Ancient Map:
Roman Hispanic (650 AD)
Hellenic Roman x 3 (760 AD)
Roman (590 AD) x 4
Ostrogoth (300 AD)
Crusader (1250 AD)
Ancient Greek (1350 BC) x 2
Red Dot southern Spain unlabeled
Bronze Age
Red Dot Sicily unlabeled (2200 BC)
Minoan (2000 BC) x 2
Hittite (1875 BC) x 2
Late Bronze Age
Ancient Greek (1350 BC) x 4
Illyrian (1250 BC)
Red Dot Armenia unlabeled (1500 BC)
Iron Age
Scythian (270 BC)
Thracian (450 BC)
Early Mid Age
Roman Hispanic (650 AD)
Hellenic Roman x 4 (760 AD)
Roman (590 AD) x 4
Ostrogoth (300 AD)
Roman Citizen (250 AD)
Red Dot Eastern Coastal Spain unlabeled
Gpid (450 AD)
Mid Age
Crusader (1250 AD) x 2
Red Dot Eastern Coastal Spain unlabeled (1100 AD) x 5
Red Dot Hungary unlabeled (1244 AD)

Who else got Crusader and Roman Citizen?

Pax Augusta
15-06-19, 23:22
I don’t take it too seriously, they’re more like an indication, a curiosity, ... hobby and entertainment.

This is the right way. (https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/inglese-italiano/This+is+the+right+way)

Duarte
15-06-19, 23:27
https://i.imgur.com/o2BHKIy.png
https://i.imgur.com/CeAPJnI.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/o3VvyxI.jpg

Population genetic analysis of nuclear DNAOn the nuclear level we merged the SNP data of our three ancient individuals with 2,367 modern individuals34 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref34),35 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref35) and 294 ancient genomes36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref36) and performed PCA on the joined data set. We found the ancient Egyptian samples falling distinct from modern Egyptians, and closer towards Near Eastern and European samples (Fig. 4a (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f4), Supplementary Fig. 3 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1), Supplementary Table 5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1)). In contrast, modern Egyptians are shifted towards sub-Saharan African populations. Model-based clustering using ADMIXTURE37 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref37)(Fig. 4b (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f4), Supplementary Fig. 4 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1)) further supports these results and reveals that the three ancient Egyptians differ from modern Egyptians by a relatively larger Near Eastern genetic component, in particular a component found in Neolithic Levantine ancient individuals36 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref36)(Fig. 4b (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f4)). In contrast, a substantially larger sub-Saharan African component, found primarily in West-African Yoruba, is seen in modern Egyptians compared to the ancient samples. In both PCA and ADMIXTURE analyses, we did not find significant differences between the three ancient samples, despite two of them having nuclear contamination estimates over 5%, which indicates no larger impact of modern DNA contamination. We used outgroup f3-statistics38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref38) (Fig. 5a,b (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f5)) for the ancient and modern Egyptians to measure shared genetic drift with other ancient and modern populations, using Mbuti as outgroup. We find that ancient Egyptians are most closely related to Neolithic and Bronze Age samples in the Levant, as well as to Neolithic Anatolian and European populations (Fig. 5a,b (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f5)). When comparing this pattern with modern Egyptians, we find that the ancient Egyptians are more closely related to all modern and ancient European populations that we tested (Fig. 5b (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f5)), likely due to the additional African component in the modern population observed above. By computing f3-statistics38 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref38), we determined whether modern Egyptians could be modelled as a mixture of ancient Egyptian and other populations. Our results point towards sub-Saharan African populations as the missing component (Fig. 5c (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#f5)), confirming the results of the ADMIXTURE analysis. We replicated the results based on f3-statistics using only the least contaminated sample (with <1% contamination estimate) and find very similar results (Supplementary Fig. 5 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1)), confirming that the moderate levels of modern DNA contamination in two of our samples did not affect our analyses. Finally, we used two methods to estimate the fractions of sub-Saharan African ancestry in ancient and modern Egyptians. Both qpAdm35 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref35) and the f4-ratio test39 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref39) reveal that modern Egyptians inherit 8% more ancestry from African ancestors than the three ancient Egyptians do, which is also consistent with the ADMIXTURE results discussed above. Absolute estimates of African ancestry using these two methods in the three ancient individuals range from 6 to 15%, and in the modern samples from 14 to 21% depending on method and choice of reference populations (see Supplementary Note 1 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1), Supplementary Fig. 6 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1), Supplementary Tables 5–8 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1)). We then used ALDER40 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref40) to estimate the time of a putative pulse-like admixture event, which was estimated to have occurred 24 generations ago (700 years ago), consistent with previous results from Henn and colleagues16 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref16). While this result by itself does not exclude the possibility of much older and continuous gene flow from African sources, the substantially lower African component in our ∼2,000-year-old ancient samples suggests that African gene flow in modern Egyptians occurred indeed predominantly within the last 2,000 years.


Estimating phenotypesFinally, we analysed several functionally relevant SNPs in sample JK2911, which had low contamination and relatively high coverage. This individual had a derived allele at the SLC24A5 locus, which contributes to lighter skin pigmentation and was shown to be at high frequency in Neolithic Anatolia41 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#ref41), consistent with the ancestral affinity shown above. Other relevant SNPs carry the ancestral allele, including HERC2 and LCT, which suggest dark-coloured eyes and lactose intolerance (Supplementary Table 9 (https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694#s1)).

RagnarofMacedon
16-06-19, 00:31
Hello RagnarofMacedon,
Tyrolean is the people of Tyrol, historically the Tyrole; In German: Tirol; In Italian: Tirolo, is a historical region in the Alps; in Northern Italy and western Austria.
https://i.imgur.com/sIwYm9I.png
https://i.imgur.com/Pd5eIVs.png

Hugs:)

Hey man,i know its region but what tribes was there , its german,celtic or roman ?
I got two Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) and one Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD)
in Ancient samples... so im currious what population is...
HUgs back :D

Duarte
16-06-19, 00:51
Hey man,i know its region but what tribes was there , its german,celtic or roman ?
I got two Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) and one Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD)
in Ancient samples... so im currious what population is...
HUgs back :D

Probably Celts or an admixture of Celts and newcomers Lombards. Also it’s possible a bit of ancient Roman admixture.:good_job:

italouruguayan
16-06-19, 02:06
Does anyone know what percentage of Native American ancestry is necessary to have a point on the map of the Americas?...

matty74
16-06-19, 02:20
Hmm no real changes for me. Nothing really exciting or notable here

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) (5.472) - I2097 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
22. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
23. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
24. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
25. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
26. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
27. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
28. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
30. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
31. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
33. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
34. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
35. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
36. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
37. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
38. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
39. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
40. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
41. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
42. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
43. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
44. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.908) - I12162 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
45. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
47. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
48. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
49. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) (10.43) - SZ16 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
50. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.6) - 3DRIF-16 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
51. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (10.67) - I2447 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
52. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (10.7) - SZ11 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
53. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.81) - CL151 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
54. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (10.82) - 6DRIF-21 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
55. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (11.08) - I5512 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
56. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) (11.2) - Rise150 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
57. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (11.21) - SZ2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
58. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (11.25) - Sigtuna 84001 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
59. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (11.32) - BIM_33 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
60. Ireland Copper Age (1635 BC) (11.33) - Rathlin3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

matty74
16-06-19, 02:46
https://i.imgur.com/a2Ton4a.png

matty74
16-06-19, 03:19
The original submission was updated and this is shown above. I submitted the same raw data DNA file again to create kit #2. Now I get different results, makes zero sense even though the map shows that the locations are the same, hence the same raw data.

https://i.imgur.com/3fTfwUD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xiv14pn.png

matty74
16-06-19, 04:54
Here's my report per Lukasz:

https://i.imgur.com/slOwCKi.png

Carlos
16-06-19, 05:46
Closest population distances

Population
Distance


Spanish_Cantabria
0.6410023


Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.7893054


Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.8538548


Southwest_French
0.8604313


Spanish_Aragon
0.878975


Spanish_Cataluna
0.9328408


Spanish_Extremadura
0.9642199


Spanish_Andalucia
1.0068878








Population
Value


Spanish_Cantabria
71.6


French_Basque
8.2


Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
6.2


Gokhem2
4.4


French
2.4


Orcadian
1


Irish
0.8


South_Dutch
0.8


Southwest_English
0.8


Spanish_Galicia
0.8


North_Dutch
0.6


Southeast_English
0.4


Georgian
0.2


Luhya
0.2


Mongolian
0.2


North_German
0.2


Sandawe
0.2


Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.2


Uzbek
0.2


West_German
0.2


West_Norwegian
0.2


West_Scottish
0.2

Duarte
16-06-19, 13:03
New upload raw data, now from MyHeritage. Compared with the new upload done with data from FTDNA, there are some changes in Deep Dive and in Timeline. In Timeline the Portugal Bronze Age back again. In Deep Dive, Portugal Bronze Age back again, also back again the Thracian Bulgaria and now appears the Visigoth Germanic Girona.

Compare with the post #884:





https://i.imgur.com/fiGzCru.png
https://i.imgur.com/r32C6jt.png
https://i.imgur.com/GoWVZnU.png
https://i.imgur.com/Zls32ib.png
https://i.imgur.com/pOEgwZl.png

Jovialis
16-06-19, 13:07
http://i.imgur.com/kfmwzMT.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TDydx35.jpg

I also get "Tuscan Crusader" as well as "Roman Citizen" in my timeline. Though the fits are not good, as Pax pointed out. These are individuals that share a common ancestry, Italians, that came from Italy, that are diverged from traveling to and remaining in Lebenon, that admixed with Lebenese people in the respective time periods. Not that they have anything really to do with population genetics in Italian history. Up-thread, I believe this is almost the same case with the Hittite, and Cannanite samples; in connection to Copper Age Anatolia.

Carlos
16-06-19, 16:21
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vqL2jmiLgZs/XQVabG5qsXI/AAAAAAAAA0A/GtYPMl__dOc_1y_WcK2Kek_sgpKz0eODgCLcBGAs/s1600/timeline%25C3%25BAltima.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U3VkqpL4zn4/XQZRiYbojdI/AAAAAAAAA1M/R1LpIIqVRw4GHnpgDYKWO8uBqj6F0rlYwCLcBGAs/s1600/mapeancienttimesjunio.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6x9zbbCmTNk/XQVdgeK4YPI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/sN13ItL_rOUwk1zgIk-Rt6ydtOFDj7BrACLcBGAs/s1600/mapeasiatracios.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CA3HCLiYGmk/XOFRMUFcmgI/AAAAAAAAApE/srN1fYzcy9ECMJX2mSS-K66pPvjWzbMowCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.jpg
Try a second kit with the same file and it has not worked well for me. Missing data, maybe I would have to erase and then put in but I am not willing to take the risk and lose the bell beaker of my ancestral line.

Duarte
16-06-19, 18:16
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vqL2jmiLgZs/XQVabG5qsXI/AAAAAAAAA0A/GtYPMl__dOc_1y_WcK2Kek_sgpKz0eODgCLcBGAs/s1600/timeline%25C3%25BAltima.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U3VkqpL4zn4/XQZRiYbojdI/AAAAAAAAA1M/R1LpIIqVRw4GHnpgDYKWO8uBqj6F0rlYwCLcBGAs/s1600/mapeancienttimesjunio.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6x9zbbCmTNk/XQVdgeK4YPI/AAAAAAAAA0Y/sN13ItL_rOUwk1zgIk-Rt6ydtOFDj7BrACLcBGAs/s1600/mapeasiatracios.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CA3HCLiYGmk/XOFRMUFcmgI/AAAAAAAAApE/srN1fYzcy9ECMJX2mSS-K66pPvjWzbMowCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_main.jpg
Try a second kit with the same file and it has not worked well for me. Missing data, maybe I would have to erase and then put in but I am not willing to take the risk and lose the bell beaker of my ancestral line.

Hello Carlos.
I was with the following kits: MyHeritage, MyHeritage1, FTDNA, FTDNA1 and MyHeritage reloaded. MyHeritage1 and FTDNA1 were working fine. The others did not display Deep Dive and did not display the maps corresponding to Deep Dive. I definitely excluded the Kits MyHeritage, MyHeritage reloaded, and FTDNA. After that I done a new upload of the raw data FTDNA, which I renamed as FTDNA2, and did a new upload of the raw data of MyHeritage, which I named as MyHeritage2. Today I have FTDNA2 and MyHeritage 2 (new Deep Dive with new maps) and MyHeritage1 and FTDNA1 (old Deep Dive with old maps).

Hugs:)

italouruguayan
16-06-19, 19:18
My results after reload my FTDNA kit

1. Central Roman (670 AD) (20.98) - CL36 (Click for more info)
2. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (21.44) - I2514 (Click for more info)
3. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.78) - I7424 (Click for more info)
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (21.94) - SZ43 (Click for more info)
5. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (21.97) - I2515 (Click for more info)
6. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.22) - SZ36 (Click for more info)
7. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (22.44) - I7425 (Click for more info)
8. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.52) - I3582 (Click for more info)
9. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.58) - I3981 (Click for more info)
10. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (23.04) - CL23 (Click for more info)
11. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (23.07) - I2644 (Click for more info)
12. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (23.25) - SZ28 (Click for more info)
13. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (23.3) - I3575 (Click for more info)
14. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (23.45) - I3313 (Click for more info)
15. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (23.8) - I3585 (Click for more info)
16. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (23.85) - CL57 (Click for more info)
17. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (23.93) - I3982 (Click for more info)
18. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (24.17) - CL94 (Click for more info)
19. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (24.25) - I3581 (Click for more info)
20. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (24.73) - SZ45 (Click for more info)
21. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (24.84) - SZ18 (Click for more info)
22. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (24.85) - Vim2 (Click for more info)
23. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (24.9) - I3576 (Click for more info)
24. Central Roman (590 AD) (25.12) - SZ32 (Click for more info)
25. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (25.24) - SI-41 (Click for more info)
26. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (25.24) - scy192 (Click for more info)
27. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (25.29) - I12031 (Click for more info)
28. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (25.33) - scy305 (Click for more info)
29. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (25.46) - CL121 (Click for more info)
30. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (25.5) - I4332 (Click for more info)
31. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (25.5) - I5769 (Click for more info)
32. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (25.57) - I2647 (Click for more info)
33. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (25.79) - I3983 (Click for more info)
34. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (25.9) - CL63 (Click for more info)
35. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (26.17) - I3980 (Click for more info)
36. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (26.28) - SI-53 (Click for more info)
37. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (26.69) - I2649 (Click for more info)
38. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (26.91) - scy311 (Click for more info)
39. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (27.2) - SZ19 (Click for more info)
40. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (27.35) - CL47 (Click for more info)
41. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (27.65) - DA199 (Click for more info)
42. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (27.74) - I3808 (Click for more info)
43. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (27.8) - FN_2 (Click for more info)
44. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (28.02) - I12163 (Click for more info)
45. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (28.3) - SZ40 (Click for more info)
46. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (28.38) - CL53 (Click for more info)
47. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (28.84) - CL102 (Click for more info)
48. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (29.85) - I12034 (Click for more info)
49. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (29.87) - SZ5 (Click for more info)
50. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) (29.89) - SI-40 (Click for more info)
51. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (30.24) - SZ38 (Click for more info)
52. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (30.4) - I12032 (Click for more info)
53. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (30.54) - I9033 (Click for more info)
54. Guanche Canary Islands (960 AD) (31.37) - gun005 (Click for more info)
55. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (31.39) - I9041 (Click for more info)
56. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (31.54) - FN_2 (Click for more info)
57. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (31.55) - 6DRIF-22 (Click for more info)
58. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (32.01) - I12162 (Click for more info)
59. Guanche Canary Islands (1090 AD) (32.05) - gun002 (Click for more info)
60. Carthaginian Ibiza (270 BC) (32.05) - MS10614 (Click for more info)

Duarte
16-06-19, 20:50
I have found that on the consolidated ancestral archaeological map the samples are recorded up to the order number 25. After the number 25, they are no longer recorded in the aforementioned consolidated map. The Crusader Knight French / Lebanon is my sample 26. It's a shame. Because of this, it is off my consolidated ancestral archaeological map. It only appears on the individualized archaeological map of the Medieval Age.

https://i.imgur.com/RGozJLa.png
https://i.imgur.com/TzSIP1l.png
https://i.imgur.com/OaOataM.png

Userius
17-06-19, 23:50
Your closest Ancient populations... https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Avar.jpgAvar



Scythian + Avar (5.484)
Avar + Kievan Rus (6.431)
Avar (6.442)
Scythian (8.189)
Kievan Rus (9.599)


https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=j48zte2792&s=tl

Your closest genetic modern populations...
1. Ukrainian (3.894)
2. Ukrainian_Lviv (4.406)
3. South_Polish (4.964)
4. Polish (6.606)
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Userius
18-06-19, 00:39
Is "Avar" just a local Slavic sample labeled as such for whatever reason?

Duarte
18-06-19, 01:46
Is "Avar" just a local Slavic sample labeled as such for whatever reason?

Hello Userius,
I do not know much about the Avars. I have no matches with samples of this ancient population, so MTA does not provide me with a link with the description of Avars samples. Although that, I've located an article that might help you. Hugs.

https://i.imgur.com/xWhfssI.jpg


AbstractAfter 568 AD the Avars settled in the Carpathian Basin and founded the Avar Qaganate that was an important power in Central Europe until the 9thcentury. Part of the Avar society was probably of Asian origin, however the localisation of their homeland is hampered by the scarcity of historical and archaeological data.
Here, we study mitogenome and Y chromosomal STR variability of twenty-six individuals, a number of them representing a well-characterised elite group buried at the centre of the Carpathian Basin more than a century after the Avar conquest.
The studied group has maternal and paternal genetic affinities to several ancient and modern East-Central Asian populations. The majority of the mitochondrial DNA variability represents Asian haplogroups (C, D, F, M, R, Y and Z). The Y-STR variability of the analysed elite males belongs only to five lineages, three N-Tat with mostly Asian parallels and two Q haplotypes. The homogeneity of the Y chromosomes reveals paternal kinship as a cohesive force in the organisation of the Avar elite strata on both social and territorial level. Our results indicate that the Avar elite arrived in the Carpathian Basin as a group of families, and remained mostly endogamous for several generations after the conquest.




See the complete paper accessing the link below:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/415760v2.full

Salento
18-06-19, 02:47
Roman Citizens and Crusaders (Tuscan-Similar ☺) on Timelapse:

https://i.imgur.com/SfLQdz0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0no1blM.jpg


Me vs I
https://i.imgur.com/WSlADsp.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/emgwJ5i.jpg
1. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.62) - SZ36
2. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (11.97) - SZ40
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (12.48) - CL121
4. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (12.57) - SZ19

20. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (17.41) - SI-53

22. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (19.21) - SI-41

28. Roman Era Citizen / Lebanon (250 AD) (20.68) - QED-2

RagnarofMacedon
18-06-19, 13:53
My father's results
11144

Is this possible the distance ? And why i dont have it in closest ancient population Illyrians and Thracians ( I have it only in Ancestral Timeline ) , i have Romans and Gauls just + Scythians ( i guess from my mother because she is half Serbian ).... But with that (fathers) distastance i dont have it in my Closest population....
11145

Duarte
18-06-19, 16:08
My father's results
11144

Is this possible the distance ? And why i dont have it in closest ancient population Illyrians and Thracians ( I have it only in Ancestral Timeline ) , i have Romans and Gauls just + Scythians ( i guess from my mother because she is half Serbian ).... But with that (fathers) distastance i dont have it in my Closest population....
11145

Hello RagnarofMacedon,
I do not have sufficient technical knowledge to give an opinion on the distances of MTA. But, as you know, from the historical point of view, it seems that from the Bronze Age, through the Iron Age at to classical antiquity, Illyrians, Gauls, Scythians, Thracians, Greeks and Romans had, simultaneously or at different times, settlements in the Balkans. The FAQ of MTA, i.e. ,the list of questions and answers, can help you in some way, I don’t know. I exemplify with two answers to very frequent questions:
https://i.imgur.com/GrKenLu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QOuHhjj.jpg

You also can try a answer more precise emailing to [email protected]

A great hug :)

RVBlake
19-06-19, 00:13
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=rmpx5jw2xg&s=archPosted image yesterday, this morning gone. Sorry:shocked:

RVBlake
19-06-19, 00:19
1. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.318) - 6DRIF-22 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.382) - 3DRIF-16 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (6.431) - Rise577 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (7.225) - BIM_33 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (7.395) - I5471 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.622) - SZ38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (7.656) - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (7.719) - scy009 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (8.009) - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (8.028) - I1767 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (8.745) - I12162 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.823) - SZ14 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.208) - I0112 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.221) - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (9.224) - STR_316 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (9.43) - I5512 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (9.568) - CL92 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (9.817) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (9.928) - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.942) - I12032 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

19-06-19, 03:26
I have a question for those of you who seem to be pretty smart about these matters. My closest Archaeogenetic match at mytrueancesstery.com is:

"Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (4.989)."

These are the remains of a European colonist found at Shohola creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (GEDmatch kit DD7536671). This may be a Dutch ancestor of forebears of mine that lived in the area circa 1750. The remains were typed as I1a-Z73 and U4c1a - from "Ancient Human Parallel Lineages within North America Contributed to a Coastal Expansion" by C.L. Scheib, et al.

However, when I compare my autosomal DNA with this sample in GEDmatch I get no shared DNA segments.

How is this possible? And, what am I missing here?

voloh
19-06-19, 11:48
@[email protected] (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53405-shissem-san-rr-com)
Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (4.989) -> this doesn't mean that you are closely related, it means that you have similar proportions of admixtures that are 10,000s years old. in other words, every Dutch person will get a close match with that sample.

you can post your eurogenes k36 results and the k36 of that sample so we can compare.

for the one to one comparison you can try these settings: SNP window size threshold: 50 and Minimum segment cM size: 2
and you will probably get some matching. but i don't know how correct is that.

Jovialis
19-06-19, 12:14
I have a question for those of you who seem to be pretty smart about these matters. My closest Archaeogenetic match at mytrueancesstery.com is:

"Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (4.989)."

These are the remains of a European colonist found at Shohola creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (GEDmatch kit DD7536671). This may be a Dutch ancestor of forebears of mine that lived in the area circa 1750. The remains were typed as I1a-Z73 and U4c1a - from "Ancient Human Parallel Lineages within North America Contributed to a Coastal Expansion" by C.L. Scheib, et al.

However, when I compare my autosomal DNA with this sample in GEDmatch I get no shared DNA segments.

How is this possible? And, what am I missing here?


That's pretty cool, I didn't know they had samples from Colonial America.

Jovialis
19-06-19, 12:40
I think your English ancestry is what is making this come up on the calculator. Do you get it for your Deep Dive?

Are there any non-American users of English ancestry, also getting Colonial American samples?

Carlos
19-06-19, 12:42
But if you start to put samples as modern as the old examples are up to 60 the old examples will start to disappear.

Jovialis
19-06-19, 13:08
But if you start to put samples as modern as the old examples are up to 60 the old examples will start to disappear.
They should give people an option to display sets of samples by time period, when looking at the list of anicent samples.

Wheal
19-06-19, 15:34
11151This is my father, R1b

Duarte
19-06-19, 17:29
It's true, @Carlos. As they add new samples, with smaller distances and better classified in the TOP 60, those that previously appeared in a number of order less than 60, end up surpassing that order number and disappear of the TOP 60. This happened , in my case, with the Guanche Canarias sample. This sample disappeared from TOP 60 after the addition of samples from Scythians, Crusaders and Germanic Visigoth.

That said, after I deleted old Kits and made a new data upload, the results that are displayed for the FTDNA and MyHeritage Kits are now absolutely identical, as shown below.

https://i.imgur.com/ncqfbNj.png
https://i.imgur.com/FjPwao0.png

Duarte
19-06-19, 21:26
I have a question for those of you who seem to be pretty smart about these matters. My closest Archaeogenetic match at mytrueancesstery.com is:

"Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (4.989)."

These are the remains of a European colonist found at Shohola creek, Indian Cabin Ridge, Pennsylvania, dated to 1634-1662 AD (GEDmatch kit DD7536671). This may be a Dutch ancestor of forebears of mine that lived in the area circa 1750. The remains were typed as I1a-Z73 and U4c1a - from "Ancient Human Parallel Lineages within North America Contributed to a Coastal Expansion" by C.L. Scheib, et al.

However, when I compare my autosomal DNA with this sample in GEDmatch I get no shared DNA segments.

How is this possible? And, what am I missing here?


Hello [email protected],

I confess my absolute ignorance about the US colonial history. However, on “yourDNAportal” discussion blog I found this comment from Tomenable, who is also a member of Eupedia. Following, I post the link. I hope this can help you in some way:

https://yourdnaportalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=102

21-06-19, 03:18
@[email protected] (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53405-shissem-san-rr-com)
Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (4.989) -> this doesn't mean that you are closely related, it means that you have similar proportions of admixtures that are 10,000s years old. in other words, every Dutch person will get a close match with that sample.

you can post your eurogenes k36 results and the k36 of that sample so we can compare.

for the one to one comparison you can try these settings: SNP window size threshold: 50 and Minimum segment cM size: 2
and you will probably get some matching. but i don't know how correct is that.

Voloh:

Thank you for your attempts to answer my questions. Here are my K36 results:


Using the Eurogene K36 calculator I got, http://shissem.com/eurogenes.gif

Admixture Results
0.78% Amerindian
9.67% Central_Euro
0.69% East_African
4.15% East_Balkan
7.75% East_Central_Euro
4.74% Eastern_Euro
9.16% Fennoscandian
6.49% French
11.24% Iberian
10.17% Italian
17.88% North_Atlantic
15.38% North_Sea
1.40% Volga-Ural
0.50% West_Med

voloh
21-06-19, 19:53
[email protected] (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53405-shissem-san-rr-com)
your and american colonist's k36 results are 82% identical.
he is the closest to modern day north germans.
11162

you are the closest to north germans, but also to the english and scottish people.

11163

21-06-19, 21:46
Voloh,

Thank you! That is very helpful.

22-06-19, 01:28
[email protected] (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53405-shissem-san-rr-com)
your and american colonist's k36 results are 82% identical.
he is the closest to modern day north germans.
11162

you are the closest to north germans, but also to the english and scottish people.

11163

Unfortunately I can't see the attachments.

22-06-19, 01:54
Hello [email protected],

I confess my absolute ignorance about the US colonial history. However, on “yourDNAportal” discussion blog I found this comment from Tomenable, who is also a member of Eupedia. Following, I post the link. I hope this can help you in some way:

https://yourdnaportalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=102

I had seen some of this before (i.e. the original report), but much is new to me and very helpful. Thank you very much (as you'd say, hugs).

Salento
22-06-19, 05:26
from MTA:
... Summer Solstice Sale, NEW Africa Map has arrived!

Many more Iberian and Amerindian samples added.

Plus the NEW Full Detailed Timeline Feature!

- Africa has Arrived! All the latest Ancient African samples have been added from Harvard's Reich Laboratory

- NEW Iberian Bronze Age, Neolithic and Iron Age samples added.

- NEW Native American samples added for Alaska, the Pacific Northwest, and Canada!

- PLUS *NEW* Full Detailed Timeline allows you to review ALL your matches on a scrollable Timeline ...



Partial Full Detailed Timeline:

...Your Full Detailed Timeline / Journey through time! Below is a timeline of your entire sample list - either by ancestry or by sharing direct DNA segments ...


EDITED .... now redundant ... go to post #932

voloh
22-06-19, 12:13
[email protected] (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53405-shissem-san-rr-com)
enter your k36 results here to generate the map
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Jovialis
22-06-19, 12:43
Just got my new maps processed, everything is the same for my results.

https://i.imgur.com/zYHkv1Q.png

https://i.imgur.com/Rz0ys2O.png

Salento
22-06-19, 14:03
Full Details Timeline and Africa Map:

https://i.imgur.com/af0gKsn.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/FzevXlJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/A8zvSbq.jpg

Carlos
22-06-19, 14:10
10. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (14.25) - I12208

Ancient Group

Gallo-Roman (7.999)
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (8.985)
Visigoth (10.26)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (13.97)

Modern Group

1. Spanish_Cantabria (13.65)
2. Southwest_French (14.96)
3. Spanish_Aragon (15.32)
4. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (16.51)
5. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (17.44)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (17.60)
7. Spanish_Valencia (17.61)
8. French_Basque (17.78)

19. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (16.22) - VAD001

Ancient Group

Gallo-Roman (11.05)
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (11.95)
Visigoth (13.1)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (13.47)

Modern Group

1. Spanish_Cantabria (16.06)
2. French_Basque (16.34)
3. Southwest_French (16.55)
4. Spanish_Aragon (17.19)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (18.71)
6. Spanish_Valencia (19.88)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (20.08)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (20.37)

29. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (17.65) - VAD005

Ancient Group

Gallo-Roman (14.06)
Visigoth + Gallo-Roman (14.28)
Visigoth (14.77)
Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (15.51)

Modern Group

1. French_Basque (14.42)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (17.85)
3. Spanish_Aragon (18.03)
4. Southwest_French (18.71)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (19.78)
6. Spanish_Valencia (21.31)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (21.89)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (22.27)

37. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (19.77) - VAD004

Ancient Group

Gallo-Roman + Carthaginian (15.91)
Gallo-Roman (16.89)

Modern Group

1. French_Basque (14.39)
2. Spanish_Aragon (19.47)
3. Spanish_Cantabria (19.84)
4. Southwest_French (20.22)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (21.30)
6. Spanish_Valencia (22.76)
7. Spanish_Andalucia (23.02)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (24.43)

43. Celtiberian Northern Spain (300 BC) (20.52)

Visigoth + Celt (14.32)
Celt (14.56)
Celt + Gallo-Roman (14.79)
Visigoth (18.34)
Gallo-Roman (19.92)

1. French_Basque (12.04)
2. Spanish_Aragon (19.58)
3. Spanish_Cantabria (20.63)
4. Southwest_French (20.68)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (21.51)
6. Spanish_Valencia (22.76)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (23.71)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (23.82)

Similar Samples

Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (9.56)
Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (14.3)
Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (14.56)
Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (16.19)
Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (16.31)

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WSDeu4ENtL0/XQ4gFaWkB2I/AAAAAAAAA3w/W0pxZAFuZLgoN8IFXlG1ADe4hpvKZJbfwCLcBGAs/s1600/mapaafrica.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PH6-PSXkw7o/XQ4eKrQZG3I/AAAAAAAAA3k/clzuZ-3_vGAOAr_ci5HCInvyGaD4uEy4wCLcBGAs/s1600/nuevotimeline.jpg

Jovialis
22-06-19, 14:37
Just got my new maps processed, everything is the same for my results.

https://i.imgur.com/zYHkv1Q.png

https://i.imgur.com/Rz0ys2O.png

I think this helps to prove my point from earlier posts up thread. Clearly, the "1500 AD Ottoman" sample that I get is because of comparable ancestry from Copper Age Anatolia. The same can be observed with the "2000 AD Samaritan".

Salento
22-06-19, 16:09
I think this helps to prove my point from earlier posts up thread. Clearly, the "1500 AD Ottoman" sample that I get is because of comparable ancestry from Copper Age Anatolia. The same can be observed with the "2000 AD Samaritan".

There’s a sample that shows up only on 23v5: 3500 BC Trypillia (Ukraine/Russia?).

Just wondering if it shows up in any of your kits. :)

https://i.imgur.com/QhCxzvF.jpg

Angela
22-06-19, 16:43
There’s a sample that shows up only on 23v5: 3500 BC Trypillia (Ukraine/Russia?).

Just wondering if it shows up in any of your kits. :)

https://i.imgur.com/QhCxzvF.jpg

Apologies for interjecting. It doesn't show up in the IBD analysis, but does show up in my samples.

Scratch that. It used to show up in the time line map and in my samples, but now it's gone. I don't know if it's a problem with the sample, or because of the new matches: all those Crusader knights for example.

Salento
22-06-19, 19:58
Thanks Angela :)

I’ve been thinking, lol, I don’t see how a 2000 AD sample is relevant in the “Full Detailed Timeline”, unless I’m missing something and the Samaritan sample is not 20 years old.

The Samaritan sample doesn’t have an ID reference either.

https://i.imgur.com/KQX9kNv.jpg

Jovialis
23-06-19, 05:42
@Salento,

I recall seeing it in the past too, but now it seems to be gone, due to the new samples.

Jovialis
23-06-19, 05:48
My closest ancient sample match, SZ40, is another one that falls into the Peloponnese cluster, from the Crete paper. (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38746-The-Genetic-history-of-Crete)

https://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.png
https://i.imgur.com/1xzMbEz.jpg

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) (15.95) - I0184 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (16.02) - MA2208 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Central Roman (670 AD) (16.4) - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (16.8) - I9010 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (17.03) - SI-41 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (17.04) - I3808 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (17.31) - SI-53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (17.52) - I3575 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
22. Minoan (2000 BC) (18.74) - I9129 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
23. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) (19.35) - MA2206 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
24. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (19.81) - I4930 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
25. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (20.49) - I3980 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
26. Roman Era Citizen / Lebanon (250 AD) (20.54) - QED-2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
27. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (20.73) - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
28. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (20.77) - I3983 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. Minoan (2000 BC) (20.98) - I9005 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
30. Hittite Anatolia (1675 BC) (21.07) - MA2200 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
31. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (21.1) - Rise397 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
32. Minoan (2000 BC) (21.85) - I0071 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
33. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (22.48) - I3576 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
34. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (22.59) - I3581 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
35. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (23.15) - I7425 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
36. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (23.52) - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
37. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (23.52) - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
38. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (23.55) - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
39. Minoan (2000 BC) (23.66) - I0070 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
40. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (23.84) - I3981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
41. Minoan (2000 BC) (24.09) - I0074 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
42. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (24.18) - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
43. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (24.21) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
44. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (24.22) - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
45. Minoan (2000 BC) (24.38) - I9130 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Crusader Knight Georgian / Lebanon (1250 AD) (24.46) - SI-38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
47. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (24.55) - I3582 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
48. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (24.78) - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
49. Roman Era Citizen / Lebanon (250 AD) (25.02) - QED-9 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
50. Crusader Knight Mix / Lebanon (1250 AD) (25.36) - SI-45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
51. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) (25.39) - I1631 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
52. Samaritan (2000 AD) (25.78) - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
53. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.15) - I0073 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
54. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (26.31) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
55. Minoan (2000 BC) (26.36) - I9131 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
56. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (26.51) - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
57. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (26.91) - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
58. Ottoman (1500 AD) (26.98) - MA2196 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
59. Canaanite (1600 BC) (27.06) - ERS1790730 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
60. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (27.14) - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Stuvanè
23-06-19, 12:40
These are the updates of my list and the beginning of my complete time line.
I confess that with these continuous updates I find it very difficult to understand something and the whole thing makes me a little suspicious.
[Sorry, I could not follow the thread in the last few weeks]

1. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.538) - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.299) - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (7.647) - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.839) - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.938) - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.0) - CL121 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (11.39) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (11.77) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.78) - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (13.34) - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (13.7) - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (13.83) - I3981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (13.93) - I7425 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (13.96) - SI-53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (14.23) - I3575 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (14.39) - SI-41 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (14.48) - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (14.85) - I3582 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (15.0) - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (15.56) - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (15.62) - I3585 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
22. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (15.8) - I3982 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
23. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (15.81) - SZ19 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
24. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (16.04) - I3581 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
25. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (16.55) - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
26. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (16.57) - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
27. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.58) - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
28. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.58) - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (17.34) - I3576 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
30. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (17.94) - scy305 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
31. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (18.22) - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
32. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.63) - SZ40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
33. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (18.91) - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
34. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (18.98) - I3983 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
35. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (19.21) - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
36. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) (19.37) - I3980 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
37. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.84) - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
38. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.94) - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
39. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (20.33) - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
40. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (20.74) - I9041 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
41. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.12) - I3808 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
42. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (21.26) - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
43. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.27) - I9033 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
44. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (21.53) - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
45. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (22.03) - Ker1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (22.3) - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
47. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) (22.55) - I4930 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
48. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (22.58) - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
49. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (22.74) - Vim2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
50. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) (23.37) - I9123 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
51. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) (23.4) - SI-40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
52. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (23.94) - CL30 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
53. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (24.15) - CL102 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
54. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (24.69) - CL25 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
55. Carthaginian Ibiza (270 BC) (24.94) - MS10614 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
56. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (24.96) - I12163 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
57. Neolithic Morocco (3760 BC) (25.2) - KEB1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
58. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (25.34) - CL38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
59. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (25.37) - I12034 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
60. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) (26.07) - Rise397 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/64982641_455289798379959_7568431231155568640_n.png ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQmweqLzQg5vHNQ6MobPMBcGXZMqEH84evV9Hjy3WpI hDmn62793P2FEqqiEdDM_r70&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=21824c22f1620c18c8479dc87860ece9&oe=5DC637FD

Salento
23-06-19, 14:57
@Salento,

I recall seeing it in the past too, but now it seems to be gone, due to the new samples.

Thanks J :)

Fluctuating Samples, now:

https://i.imgur.com/ySuBBXY.jpg

Salento
23-06-19, 16:02
I’ve been watching this sample slowly creeping up to #5, after first showing up on my Ancestral Timeline :)

https://i.imgur.com/IOSklN2.jpg

mha
23-06-19, 18:09
I'm not truly convinced how close these matches are to me, but the whole collection seems plausible for my ancestral background. Maybe there is evident small deficiency of Slavic examples, there is not a lot before Scythians.

1. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (6.119) (Click for more info)
2. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (9.931) (Click for more info)
3. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (11.03) (Click for more info)
4. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (11.74) (Click for more info)
5. Avar (590 AD) (12.59) (Click for more info)
6. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.65) (Click for more info)
7. Western Pomerania Unetice (2000 BC) (12.7) (Click for more info)
8. Western Pomerania Unetice (1860 BC) (12.7) (Click for more info)
9. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (13.02) (Click for more info)
10. Halstatt (775 BC) (13.23) (Click for more info)
11. Kievan Rus (1130 AD) (14.16) (Click for more info)
12. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (14.6) (Click for more info)
13. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (14.88) (Click for more info)
14. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.99) (Click for more info)
15. Medieval Czech Brandysek (710 AD) (15.24) (Click for more info)
16. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (15.55) (Click for more info)
17. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (15.82) (Click for more info)
18. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (15.84) (Click for more info)
19. Caspian Steppes (1550 BC) (17.27) (Click for more info)
20. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (17.34) (Click for more info)

mha
23-06-19, 19:10
And yourdnaportal....



DA191_Hungary_Scythian

1.302441


Visigoth_I12162
1.724578


BA_Hungary_RISE479
1.727921


Scythian009_Ukraine
1.7476


EMA_Czech_RISE569
1.770544


Baiuvarii_Germanic_ALH_3
1.808843


EBA_Poland_N17
1.814593


SZ22_Longobard
1.858952

torzio
23-06-19, 19:40
Does anyone know if mytruancestry use any of these samples below ....................these are mine from another admixture test

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 @ 11.803634
2 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 @ 13.437162
3 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 @ 13.925505
4 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 14.159816
5 Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 16.218903
6 Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 16.899101
7 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 @ 17.052254
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 17.439734
9 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 17.493633
10 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 19.591511
11 Potapovka_I0419 @ 21.298124
12 Srubnaya_I0430 @ 22.176163
13 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 23.231361
14 Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 25.334297
15 Srubnaya_I0232 @ 25.789999
16 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 @ 25.945124
17 Iceman_MN_SG @ 26.158186
18 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 @ 27.110640
19 Baalberge_MN_I0560 @ 27.184397
20 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 @ 27.236519



this is what matches i get from the site
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
300 BC


Total cM=4.36
Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)

Chr. 15




Mycenaean
1350 BC


Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)

Chr. 21




Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD


Total cM=2.24
Largest segment=1.25 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 9)

Chr. 14



Chr. 20

Salento
23-06-19, 21:31
Does anyone know if mytruancestry use any of these samples below ....................these are mine from another admixture test
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 @ 11.803634
2 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 @ 13.437162
3 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 @ 13.925505
4 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 14.159816
5 Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 16.218903
6 Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 16.899101
7 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 @ 17.052254
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 17.439734
9 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 17.493633
10 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 19.591511
11 Potapovka_I0419 @ 21.298124
12 Srubnaya_I0430 @ 22.176163
13 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 23.231361
14 Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 25.334297
15 Srubnaya_I0232 @ 25.789999
16 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 @ 25.945124
17 Iceman_MN_SG @ 26.158186
18 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 @ 27.110640
19 Baalberge_MN_I0560 @ 27.184397
20 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 @ 27.236519
this is what matches i get from the site
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany
300 BC
Total cM=4.36
Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)
Chr. 15

Mycenaean
1350 BC
Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)
Chr. 21
Alemannic Bavaria
450 AD
Total cM=2.24
Largest segment=1.25 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 9)
Chr. 14

Chr. 20


MTA sample results of “Veneto Like” Kit on Gedmatch K36.

1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.407) - SZ45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.902) - CL36
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.129) - SZ43
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.827) - SZ36
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (10.12) - SZ28
6. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.42) - SZ32
7. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.81) - I3313
8. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (10.9) - I12031
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.2) - I4332
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.2) - I5769
11. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.59) - CL94
12. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (11.82) - CL23
13. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.04) - SZ18
14. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (12.28) - scy192
15. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (12.43) - CL57
16. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (13.05) - DA199
17. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (13.55) - CL63
18. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (13.68) - I2515
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (13.83) - I2514
20. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (13.86) - scy311
21. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (14.1) - CL47
22. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.32) - CL53
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.71) - I2649
24. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (15.27) - I7424
25. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (15.27) - CL102
26. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (15.31) - I7425
27. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.64) - CL121
28. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (15.85) - SI-41
29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (16.01) - I3981
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.1) - I2647
31. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (16.51) - I3576
32. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (16.72) - I3585
33. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.11) - I3582
34. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (17.27) - I12163
35. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (17.6) - FN_2
36. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (17.64) - I3983
37. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (17.73) - I3575
38. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (17.93) - I2644
39. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.31) - SZ40
40. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (18.32) - scy301
41. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.81) - SZ5
42. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (19.19) - SI-53
43. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.23) - I12032
44. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (19.36) - I3581
45. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (19.48) - I3982
46. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (19.54) - scy305
47. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (19.77) - SZ19
48. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (20.01) - Vim2
49. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (20.72) - SZ38
50. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (20.79) - BIM_33
51. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.09) - I9033
52. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.23) - SZ23
53. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (21.48) - SZ42
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (21.51) - I12162
55. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.33) - I12034
56. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (22.48) - scy010
57. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (22.98) - I5471
58. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (23.0) - FN_2
59. Halstatt (775 BC) (23.05) - DA112
60. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (23.18) - 6DRIF-22

Salento
23-06-19, 22:22
Part 2 of MTA sample results of “Veneto Like” Kit on Gedmatch K36:
https://i.imgur.com/caeGaCx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c1PymDv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/d9o81Ji.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/w7hfAku.jpg

voloh
23-06-19, 22:33
the archaic dna matches tool on gedmatch is back. i wish they added new samples.

mha
24-06-19, 07:43
Strange Deep Dive ... one big block of cM. It seems odd, I don't have such big common cM with any modern person registered in gedmatch database.

Ancient Gotlander
2750 BC
Total cM=58.48
Largest segment=34.05 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 2)

A sample is probably labelled as Ajvide58 and he is described here:
science.sciencemag.org content 344 6185 747

Does anybody have a GEDmatch code for this sample?

voloh
24-06-19, 10:31
mha
it's F999924

mha
24-06-19, 14:16
mha
it's F999924

Tnx.

I checked gedmatch and even with the lowest threshold of 25 SNPs it can't find larger segment than 7cM.

Angela
24-06-19, 15:49
Broke down and ordered "ancestry" solely to input here because other people said they got better matches and there was a sale.

Waste of money. It tells me I'm 55% Italian and 45% French. If I were an adoptee and used this test to get my "ethnicity", I'd be totally thrown off track. With 23andme, on the other hand, I'd be certain I was Italian.

Also, I got fewer "deep dive" IBD matches with the uploaded version of the ancestry data versus the 23andme data.

I think it may be that people who get "better" results with Ancestry than with 23andme have "new" versions of 23andme where they test fewer snps, although I think the modern ancestry projection is still better.

I did do as Salento suggested and re-uploaded my raw 23andme data and did get more deep dive matches. Alas, I lost my Crete Armenoi, however.

It doesn't bode well for mta ancestry that we're seeing results go and come, and not because of new samples, but because of tinkering with their program.

Anyway, the "new" map:
https://i.imgur.com/bG4pmEO.jpg
I'm still skeptical of some of these high IBD matches. I could see maybe the "Piedmont" sample from Collegno, but Scythians???

Salento
24-06-19, 16:14
@voloh Thank You for:

Ötzi GedMatch-# T882519

Tyrolean Iceman OTZI Tisenjoch Pass, Oetztal Alps T882519 M CT-M5825 - 5300 years


Edit... wrong thread :good_job:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/34338-GEDmatch-list-of-ancient-samples-with-kit-numbers/page3?p=580302&viewfull=1#post580302

4mypeople
24-06-19, 16:39
I did a video about this on my YouTube channel, here are my results:
1. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (5.346) - I1767 (Click for more info)2. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (5.944) - Rise577 (Click for more info)
3. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (7.157) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info)
4. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.544) - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info)
5. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (7.767) - 3DRIF-16 (Click for more info)
6. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.018) - SZ38 (Click for more info)
7. Celtic/Viking Iceland (1000 AD) (8.508) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info)
8. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.575) - SZ14 (Click for more info)
9. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.809) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info)
10. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.821) - 6DRIF-21 (Click for more info)
11. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (8.901) - I5383 (Click for more info)
12. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (9.023) - 6DRIF-22 (Click for more info)
13. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (9.335) - I5471 (Click for more info)
14. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.353) - SZ23 (Click for more info)
15. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.402) - SZ12 (Click for more info)
16. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.592) - I12162 (Click for more info)
17. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (9.881) - I2981 (Click for more info)
18. Unetice Bohemia (1875 BC) (9.905) - Rise154 (Click for more info)
19. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (10.28) - BIM_33 (Click for more info)
20. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (10.46) - I2452 (Click for more info)
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.51) - CL92 (Click for more info)
22. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) (10.59) - I2566 (Click for more info)
23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (10.64) - SZ15 (Click for more info)
24. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (10.66) - SZ22 (Click for more info)
25. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) (10.74) - I5512 (Click for more info)
26. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) (10.86) - STR_316 (Click for more info)
27. Pict (670 AD) (10.9) - CL83 (Click for more info)
28. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (11.08) - Unknown (Click for more info)
29. Bronze Age Hebrides Islands (1350 BC) (11.13) - I2655 (Click for more info)
30. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (11.2) - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info)
31. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) (11.25) - I0806 (Click for more info)
32. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (11.32) - I12032 (Click for more info)
33. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) (11.45) - I2418 (Click for more info)
34. Bronze Age Jutland Denmark (1400 BC) (11.53) - Rise47 (Click for more info)
35. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (11.53) - I3875 (Click for more info)
36. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (11.62) - SZ42 (Click for more info)
37. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (11.82) - CL63 (Click for more info)
38. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (11.82) - scy009 (Click for more info)
39. Celtic / Hungary (590 AD) (12.0) - SZ11 (Click for more info)
40. Bronze Age Netherlands (1775 BC) (12.09) - I4070 (Click for more info)
41. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (12.26) - I3255 (Click for more info)
42. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) (12.47) - Rathlin1 (Click for more info)
43. Viking Iceland P109 (935 AD) (12.47) - SVK-A1 (Click for more info)
44. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (12.58) - ALH_10 (Click for more info)
45. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (12.58) - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info)
46. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (12.68) - ALH_1 (Click for more info)
47. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (12.7) - I5367 (Click for more info)
48. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (12.71) - I2568 (Click for more info)
49. Bell Beaker Poland (2400 BC) (12.92) - I4353 (Click for more info)
50. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (13.04) - Shohola (Click for more info)
51. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (13.3) - I0112 (Click for more info)
52. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (13.31) - Sigtuna stg021 (Click for more info)
53. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (13.32) - scy311 (Click for more info)
54. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (13.37) - CL47 (Click for more info)
55. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (13.38) - SZ8 (Click for more info)
56. Bell Beaker Ely England (2165 BC) (13.39) - I2453 (Click for more info)
57. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (13.46) - AED_249 (Click for more info)
58. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (13.52) - I5382 (Click for more info)
59. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) (13.61) - I2443 (Click for more info)
60. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (13.62) - SZ4 (Click for more info)

1. Southwest_English (6.694)
2. Southeast_English (7.201)
3. South_Dutch (7.512)
4. Irish (7.968)
5. North_German (8.229)
6. West_Scottish (9.005)
7. North_Dutch (9.960)
8. Danish (9.970)

P.S how do you post images on this thing? only option is url but no upload from computer

torzio
24-06-19, 20:31
MTA sample results of “Veneto Like” Kit on Gedmatch K36.

1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.407) - SZ45
2. Central Roman (670 AD) (8.902) - CL36
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.129) - SZ43
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.827) - SZ36
5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (10.12) - SZ28
6. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.42) - SZ32
7. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.81) - I3313
8. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (10.9) - I12031
9. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (11.2) - I4332
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (11.2) - I5769
11. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.59) - CL94
12. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (11.82) - CL23
13. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (12.04) - SZ18
14. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (12.28) - scy192
15. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (12.43) - CL57
16. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (13.05) - DA199
17. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (13.55) - CL63
18. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (13.68) - I2515
19. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (13.83) - I2514
20. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (13.86) - scy311
21. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (14.1) - CL47
22. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (14.32) - CL53
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.71) - I2649
24. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (15.27) - I7424
25. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (15.27) - CL102
26. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (15.31) - I7425
27. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (15.64) - CL121
28. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (15.85) - SI-41
29. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (16.01) - I3981
30. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.1) - I2647
31. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (16.51) - I3576
32. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (16.72) - I3585
33. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.11) - I3582
34. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (17.27) - I12163
35. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (17.6) - FN_2
36. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) (17.64) - I3983
37. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) (17.73) - I3575
38. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (17.93) - I2644
39. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (18.31) - SZ40
40. Scythian Moldova (300 BC) (18.32) - scy301
41. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (18.81) - SZ5
42. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) (19.19) - SI-53
43. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.23) - I12032
44. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (19.36) - I3581
45. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (19.48) - I3982
46. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (19.54) - scy305
47. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (19.77) - SZ19
48. Gepid / Goth (450 AD) (20.01) - Vim2
49. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (20.72) - SZ38
50. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (20.79) - BIM_33
51. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (21.09) - I9033
52. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.23) - SZ23
53. Celt / Hungary (590 AD) (21.48) - SZ42
54. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (21.51) - I12162
55. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (22.33) - I12034
56. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) (22.48) - scy010
57. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (22.98) - I5471
58. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (23.0) - FN_2
59. Halstatt (775 BC) (23.05) - DA112
60. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (23.18) - 6DRIF-22

thanks

I now get this below after using "refresh"

Roman + Illyrian (4.913)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (6.367)
Gallo-Roman (7.349)
Illyrian (7.971)
Roman (9.665)


'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

my sister's data below

Gaul + Gallo-Roman (5.044)
Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (5.589)
Gallo-Roman (7.043)
Illyrian (7.049)
Gaul (9.653)

voloh
24-06-19, 22:36
Salento (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53580-Salento)
there is a couple of otzi samples of different quality, but they are called "iceman" or "tyrolean iceman". i didn't check which one has the most SNPs.

Salento
25-06-19, 00:17
Salento (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53580-Salento)
there is a couple of otzi samples of different quality, but they are called "iceman" or "tyrolean iceman". i didn't check which one has the most SNPs.

Thanks, Ötzi Kit T882519 is in good shape. The other two, not so much ... :)

Iceman_2 T882519
Kit T882519
Status: Good
Number of original snps is 241844


Iceman2012 UE6375887
Kit UE6375887
Status: Less than 2,000 SNPs for Chr1-22
Number of original snps is 2107

Tyrolean Iceman OTZI Tisenjoch Pass, Oetztal Alps XN1042534 M CT-M5825 - 5300 years
Kit XN1042534
Status: Less than 2,000 SNPs for Chr1-22
Kit XN1042534 has not completed batch processing for the one-to-many comparison results.
Number of original snps is 1264

Salento
25-06-19, 01:41
Ötzi vs Salento 👍

Comparing Kit T882519 (Iceman_2)

Precision: 30.0
cM threshold: 1.0
Maximum cM: No Limit
Gap threshold: 2.0 cm's
All SNPs used.



Chr
B37 Start Pos'n
B37 End Pos'n
SNPs
Centimorgans (cM)
Q


11
44,872,877
57,111,693
195
2.08
0.0





Chr
B37 Start Pos'n
B37 End Pos'n
SNPs
Centimorgans (cM)
Q


12
96,382,644
103,800,290
400
8.12
1.0



Total cM: 10.20
Largest segment cM: 8.12
Total segments: 2

https://i.imgur.com/arnCA9r.jpg

25-06-19, 02:54
[email protected] (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/members/53405-shissem-san-rr-com)
enter your k36 results here to generate the map
https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Voloh:

You must be psychic (or is it psychotic?). I've used this resource before to create my own map out of the K36 results, but when I went back to do the same for my wife, the map connection was missing. Thank you so much for linking this!

Carlos
25-06-19, 10:38
Chr
B37 Start Pos'n
B37 End Pos'n
Centimorgans (cM)
SNPs


8
140,934,805
146,145,702
7.5
269





Comparing Kit T882519 (Iceman_2) [Migration - F2 - T] and me

Largest segment = 7.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.5 cM (0.208 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

144753 SNPs used for this comparison.

42.470 Pct SNPs are full identical

Comparison took 0.189 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.026 cpu seconds.

Duarte
25-06-19, 13:21
Good Morning folks. My new results:

https://i.imgur.com/kJepe1s.png
https://i.imgur.com/4sO4u2Q.png
https://i.imgur.com/CX9HSGO.png
https://i.imgur.com/mLq5f2Z.png
https://i.imgur.com/02ROklh.png

Salento
25-06-19, 14:51
Chr
B37 Start Pos'n
B37 End Pos'n
Centimorgans (cM)
SNPs


8
140,934,805
146,145,702
7.5
269



Comparing Kit T882519 (Iceman_2) [Migration - F2 - T] and me

Largest segment = 7.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 7.5 cM (0.208 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.5

1 shared segments found for this comparison.

144753 SNPs used for this comparison.

42.470 Pct SNPs are full identical

Comparison took 0.189 seconds.
CPU time used: 0.026 cpu seconds.


One-to-one ... : Iceman vs Hotman :)

Largest segment = 8.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 16.1 cM (0.449 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
154377 SNPs used for this comparison.
42.471 Pct SNPs are full identical

https://i.imgur.com/K3Galfl.jpg

Carlos
25-06-19, 15:03
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1RxcFn88Uok/XRAtZS3EpwI/AAAAAAAAA4c/PfPwOAGosigHjfrmBqVJS59Qwhq-Z-RMACLcBGAs/s1600/www.gedmatch.com_fcgi-bin_archaic.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7zd57ankVAY/XRAtFPxrzcI/AAAAAAAAA4U/l_0Fn2tonaEM0H64q_V6xpIp2i8DCMFVACLcBGAs/s1600/www.gedmatch.com_fcgi-bin_archaic2.jpg

Duarte
25-06-19, 17:37
One-to-one ... : Iceman vs Hotman :)

Largest segment = 8.1 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 16.1 cM (0.449 Pct)
3 shared segments found for this comparison.
154377 SNPs used for this comparison.
42.471 Pct SNPs are full identical

https://i.imgur.com/K3Galfl.jpg

Cool :)

https://i.imgur.com/NJrd7bT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VcAhpeH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XKU6w2f.jpg

torzio
25-06-19, 20:14
Does anyone know if mytruancestry use any of these samples below ....................these are mine from another admixture test

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 @ 11.803634
2 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 @ 13.437162
3 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 @ 13.925505
4 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 14.159816
5 Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 16.218903
6 Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 16.899101
7 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 @ 17.052254
8 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 17.439734
9 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 17.493633
10 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 19.591511
11 Potapovka_I0419 @ 21.298124
12 Srubnaya_I0430 @ 22.176163
13 Corded_Ware_Estonia_RISE00 @ 23.231361
14 Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 25.334297
15 Srubnaya_I0232 @ 25.789999
16 Corded_Ware_Germany_I0103 @ 25.945124
17 Iceman_MN_SG @ 26.158186
18 Sintashta_MBA_RISE_386 @ 27.110640
19 Baalberge_MN_I0560 @ 27.184397
20 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 @ 27.236519



this is what matches i get from the site
Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany


300 BC




Total cM=4.36
Largest segment=4.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 81)

Chr. 15




Mycenaean


1350 BC




Total cM=1.83
Largest segment=1.83 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 9)

Chr. 21




Alemannic Bavaria


450 AD




Total cM=2.24
Largest segment=1.25 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 9)

Chr. 14



Chr. 20








I ran CL23 through this admixture ...............see below

Kit Num: WU7470506
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com puntDNAL K12 Ancient 4-Ancestors Oracle This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

puntDNAL K12 Ancient Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
Anatolian_NF
41.41


2
European_HG
23.62


3
Caucasus_HG
22.44


4
Near_East
9.01


5
Amerindian
1.73


6
Beringian
1.13




Finished reading population data. 55 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Alberstedt_LN_I0118 @ 19.457403
2 Nordic_LN_SG_RISE97 @ 20.903404
3 Halberstadt_LBA_I0099 @ 22.267466
4 Bell_Beaker_Czech_RISE569 @ 22.447208
5 Unetice_EBA_I0117 @ 22.694080
6 BattleAxe_Sweden_SG_RISE94 @ 23.502987
7 Iceman_MN_SG @ 23.674061
8 Hungary_CA_I1497 @ 23.842619
9 Hungary_EN_I0495 @ 25.274118
10 BenzigerodeHeimburg_LN_I0059 @ 25.706989
11 Bell_Beaker_Germany_I1549 @ 25.887720
12 Vatya_SG_RISE479 @ 25.956486
13 Hungary_BA_I1502 @ 26.712349
14 Srubnaya_I0430 @ 26.823412
15 LBK_EN_I0054 @ 27.101254
16 Iberia_EN_I0412 @ 27.221292
17 Potapovka_I0419 @ 27.663023
18 Epserstedt_MN_I0172 @ 28.180939
19 Baalberge_MN_I0560 @ 28.861929
20 Stuttgart_SG @ 29.001081



similar to mine above ................I do not know the value of this if there is one

Salento
25-06-19, 20:45
@torzio Kit WU7470506 is CL36, it is not CL23
I got confused too :) lol

voloh
25-06-19, 20:46
Kit Num: WU7470506


that kit is CL36 and it's a "central Roman"

CL23 is a medieval Iberian from around 670 ad and these are his kits:

SZ4327468


UU5731879


HJ3323373

torzio
25-06-19, 21:00
that kit is CL36 and it's a "central Roman"

CL23 is a medieval Iberian from around 670 ad and these are his kits:

SZ4327468


UU5731879


HJ3323373

thanks for letting me know , in my confusion I thought I followed Salento

CL23 is T1a2-L446 and was born in bulgaria , raised in Pannonia and died in Italy............IIRC his mother was Iberian ( catalunya )
what is his kit number or are they all his kit numbers

voloh
25-06-19, 21:22
thanks for letting me know , in my confusion I thought I followed Salento

CL23 is T1a2-L446 and was born in bulgaria , raised in Pannonia and died in Italy............IIRC his mother was Iberian ( catalunya )
what is his kit number or are they all his kit numbers

it's all CL23, different versions.
i checked now, the first 2 are duplicates and they are better quality, the 3rd one has a lower quality

Carlos
26-06-19, 18:42
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JGLLh1mONyA/XROfrXKpTTI/AAAAAAAAA4s/wVMW8XghvPA-PGCkoF6gmS18ktZ1BMD8gCLcBGAs/s640/mapaCogotas.openstreetmap.jpg

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) (8.765)I12034
2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 BC) (9.032)FN_2
3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 BC) (9.04)FN_2
4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (9.106)CL94
5. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1200 BC) (10.75)I3313
6. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (12.13)I12209
7. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (13.45)CL57
8. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (13.46)I3585
9. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (13.94)SZ28
10. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) (14.25)I12208
11. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (14.49) - CL23
12. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (14.59) - I2649
13. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) (14.61)SI-40
14. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (14.87)scy305
15. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (15.08) scy192
16. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (15.36)I2515
17. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (15.66)scy311
18. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (15.71)I2478
19. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (16.23)VAD001
20. Illyrian / Dalmatia (1600 BC) (16.42)I4332
21. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (16.42)I5769
22. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) (16.45)I3982
23. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (16.49)I2644
24. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (16.58)I7425
25. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1120 AD) (16.7)I2514
26. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (17.02) - SZ45
27. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.38)CL47
28. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) (17.58)I3981
29. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (17.66)VAD005
30. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (17.94)CL63
31. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (18.08)Rise577
32. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) (18.47)VO10207
33. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) (18.89) - DA111
34. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (19.38)DA199
35. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) (19.58)6DRIF-22
36. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (19.59) - I12032
37. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) (19.78)VAD004
38. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (19.79)I2647
39. Central Roman (670 AD) (19.91)CL36
40. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) (19.96)I3874
41. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (19.97)CL102
42. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (20.25)I3582
43. Celtiberian Northern Spain (300 BC) (20.54)I3757
44. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (20.72) - CL53
45. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.74)I12162
46. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) (21.1)ATP9
47. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (21.49)SZ18
48. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (21.51)I5471
49. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) (21.51)I3576
50. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (21.6)SZ23
51. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) (21.61)I1388
52. Morisco Andalusia Iberia (1550 AD) (21.79)I7424
53. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (21.86)3DRIF-16
54. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) (21.96)I3581
55. Carthaginian Ibiza (270 BC) (22.1)MS10614
56. Central Roman (590 AD) (22.29)SZ43
57. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (22.46)SZ38
58. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) (22.47)BIM_33
59. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (22.82)I1767
60. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) (22.9)I4251

Two news
33. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (18.56) - GTE-A1
53. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (21.66) - ORE-A1

Duarte
28-06-19, 20:02
As Angela said before, comings and goings in the "Deep Dive" results. LOL :)
I lost a crusader and won a Viking.
My new results after inclusion of Vikings and Baltics samples.

https://i.imgur.com/GtGthVV.png
https://i.imgur.com/pAMj1iX.png
https://i.imgur.com/lb5p7Te.png

Jovialis
28-06-19, 22:23
https://i.imgur.com/lAi4CEa.png

Here is my new timeline, I now get Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC).

17. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) (16.58) - MA2198

matty74
28-06-19, 23:31
https://i.imgur.com/b48JSy8.jpg

Salento
28-06-19, 23:43
I gained a Seleucid, but lost my Sicilian buddy in 2 of mi kits, but he still lives in the Combined one.

https://i.imgur.com/y1xUb6l.jpg​19. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) (18.16) - MA2198


https://i.imgur.com/4oMIRSn.jpg

21. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) (18.03)- MA2198

Duarte
29-06-19, 14:42
Good morning folks.
I think that whenever new samples are added to the MTA it is necessary to allow time for the "Deep Dive" update. Consulting my data today I found that, in my case, direct matches with Portugal BA and Thracian are back. I wish a great weekend for all members :)

https://i.imgur.com/cnIEmhY.png
https://i.imgur.com/k7GdpXU.png

Carlos
29-06-19, 17:17
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oTAQGUC6n1Q/XRZkeaq9yxI/AAAAAAAAA5E/iCcObwqIL8sSKmjjczinpHDMKfF6nSTsACLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainVIKINGLISTAVERDE.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i15gspR952k/XRZhMx_08XI/AAAAAAAAA44/TWj_vm1qeIIYVCWvC_SRwpN-tTzdzEq1wCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainVIKING.jpg

Duarte
29-06-19, 18:24
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oTAQGUC6n1Q/XRZkeaq9yxI/AAAAAAAAA5E/iCcObwqIL8sSKmjjczinpHDMKfF6nSTsACLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainVIKINGLISTAVERDE.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i15gspR952k/XRZhMx_08XI/AAAAAAAAA44/TWj_vm1qeIIYVCWvC_SRwpN-tTzdzEq1wCLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainVIKING.jpg

Hi dear friend Carlos,

You are more Viking than me (you x2 and I x1), but I am more crusader than you (you x1 and I x2). LOL. :laughing: Good Afternoon.

https://i.imgur.com/9Rr1IbO.png

Carlos
29-06-19, 18:30
Duarte. I'm thinking about it. The ribbon is very something to be Viking. Abdominals, muscles, very blond, very handsome and then keep all that without decaying. Honestly I do not feel like it and would opt for a more comfortable role for me.

Duarte
29-06-19, 18:39
Ancient individuals from the Iberian Peninsula included in this study
Ind ID (_d, only sequences with aDNA damage were used for analysis)
I12208
I12209
I12163
ValeOuro10207.SG
VO10207


Colaborator ID

SRH-02
SRH-03


PH'06-1166






Skeletal element
petrous
petrous
tooth
petrous



UDG treatment for each library
half
half
half
minus



Autosomal SNPs covered
860198
899574
416220
254645



Genetic sex
F
M
F
F



mtDNA
K1a1b1
H1ah
J2b1a+16311
U5b1



Y-chr
..
R1b1a1a2a1a2(xR1b1a1a2a1a2c,xR1b1a1a2a1a2b1,xR1b1a 1a2a1a2a5)
..
..



Kinship
2-3rd_rel_I12209





Include in genome-wide analyses
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes



Pop name (NE_Iberia, northeast Iberia; SE_Iberia, southeast Iberia; NW_Iberia, northwest Iberia; SW_Iberia, southwest Iberia; N_Iberia, northern Iberia; C_Iberia, central Iberia; E_Iberia, eastern Iberia; Meso, Mesolithic; EN, Early Neolithic; MLN, Middle-Late Neolithic; CA, Copper Age; Stp, steppe ancestry; Afr, African ancestry; BA, Bronze Age; IA, Iron Age; Hel, Hellenistic; RomP, Roman Period; c.; century; .SG, shotgun data; out, genetic outlier)
C_Iberia_BA
C_Iberia_BA
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
SW_Iberia_BA.SG



Region
C
C
NE
SW



Cultural affiliation
Cogotas I
Cogotas I





Date (Direct radiocarbon date on the individual calibrated at 2 sigma or date range based on the archaeological context)
1368–1211 BCE
1368–1211 BCE
500–600 CE
1800–1400 BCE



Site
La Requejada, San Román de Hornija, Valladolid, Castilla y León
La Requejada, San Román de Hornija, Valladolid, Castilla y León
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
Monte do Vale do Ouro 2, Ferreira do. Alentejo, Beja



Latitude
41,4584
41,4584
42,01656
38,057765



Longitude
-5,2872
-5,2872
2,814897
-8,109544



Country
Spain
Spain
Spain
Portugal



Publication
This study
This study
This study
Published (6)



Collaborator
Germán Delibes de Castro, Ángel Esparza Arroyo, Javier Velasco-Vázquez
Germán Delibes de Castro, Ángel Esparza Arroyo, Javier Velasco-Vázquez
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó






Y-chromosome calls for the Iberian males
ID
VAD001




Pop name
N_Iberia_BA




Haplogroup
R1b1a1a2a1a2a5




Derived SNPs
R1b1a1a2a1a2a5:Z225:8603396A->G; R1b1a1a2a1a2:P312:22157311C->A; R1b1a1a2a1a:L52:14641193C->T; R1b1a1a2a1a:L151:16492547C->T; R1b1a1a2a1:L51:8502236G->A; R1b1a1a2:CTS623:6912992T->G; R1b1a1a2:CTS8591:18095336A->C; R1b1a1a2:CTS8728:18167403C->T; R1b1a1a2:CTS11468:23124367G->T; R1b1a1a2:L150.1:10008791C->T; R1b1a1a2:L265:8149348A->G; R1b1a1a2:PF6399:2668456C->T; R1b1a1a2:PF6434:8411202A->G; R1b1a1a2:PF6482:18381735A->G; R1b1a1a2:PF6497:21222868C->G; R1b1a1a:CTS3876:15239181G->C; R1b1a1a:CTS5577:16376495A->C; R1b1a1a:CTS7904:17732408T->C; R1b1a1a:CTS9018:18617596C->T; R1b1a1a:L502:19020340G->C; R1b1a1a:PF6451:14116584T->A; R1b1a1a:PF6463:16183412C->A; R1b1a1a:PF6475:17986687C->A; R1b1a1a:PF6501:21447844A->T; R1b1a:A702:10038192G->A; R1b1a:CTS4244:15510064T->G; R1b1a:CTS7585:17545608G->T; R1b1a:FGC41:7900883C->A; R1b1a:L754:22889018G->A; R1b1a:L761:16773870A->G; R1b1a:L1345:21558298G->T; R1b1:CTS2229:14226692T->A; R1b1:L1349:22722580T->C; R1b:M343:2887824C->A; R1:L875:16742224A->G; R1:P225:15590342G->T; R1:P238:7771131G->A; R1:P286:17716251C->T; R:CTS207:2810583A->G; R:CTS2913:14561760A->G; R:CTS6417:16882568T->C; R:CTS7876:17722802G->A; R:CTS8311:17930099C->A; R:CTS11075:22934109A->G; R:F33:6701239G->A; R:F63:7177189G->A; R:F82:7548900G->A; R:F154:8558505T->C; R:F295:15594523A->G; R:F370:16856357T->C; R:F459:18017528G->T; R:F652:23631629C->A; R:FGC1168:15667208G->C; R:L1225:22733758C->G; R:L1347:22818334C->T; R:M651:9889199G->A; R:P224:17285993C->T; R:P227:21409706G->C










Source:

https://i.imgur.com/j0EkNH7.png

Elizabeth60
30-06-19, 04:16
https://media.giphy.com/media/QsaeKRHTUccMu7M4en/giphy.gif

Salento
30-06-19, 16:26
re-upload:
still no Sicilian on Anc. Timeline (besides the combined Kit)
https://i.imgur.com/4MFwnIT.jpg

from med. analysis

hope it’s true:
https://i.imgur.com/e5TcHB7.jpg

’cause every single company got this one wrong:https://i.imgur.com/dITbtlm.jpg

Duarte
30-06-19, 19:18
Dear friend @Salento,

Considering the following posts (made by me) and considering the last two maps that I am posting in the sequence, and doing a consolidation of data of FTDNA with the data of "Deep Dive" MTA, I conclude that, finally, I can define an approximate ethnicity for me: Mostly Lusitani/Vettones (Iberia). I just change my profile :)


Family Tree DNA - My Origins

https://i.imgur.com/IgdYH3a.png
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Ancient individuals from the Iberian Peninsula included in this study
Ind ID (_d, only sequences with aDNA damage were used for analysis)
I12208
I12209
I12163
ValeOuro10207.SG
VO10207


Colaborator ID

SRH-02
SRH-03


PH'06-1166






Skeletal element
petrous
petrous
tooth
petrous



UDG treatment for each library
half
half
half
minus



Autosomal SNPs covered
860198
899574
416220
254645



Genetic sex
F
M
F
F



mtDNA
K1a1b1
H1ah
J2b1a+16311
U5b1



Y-chr
..
R1b1a1a2a1a2(xR1b1a1a2a1a2c,xR1b1a1a2a1a2b1,xR1b1a 1a2a1a2a5)
..
..



Kinship
2-3rd_rel_I12209





Include in genome-wide analyses
Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes



Pop name (NE_Iberia, northeast Iberia; SE_Iberia, southeast Iberia; NW_Iberia, northwest Iberia; SW_Iberia, southwest Iberia; N_Iberia, northern Iberia; C_Iberia, central Iberia; E_Iberia, eastern Iberia; Meso, Mesolithic; EN, Early Neolithic; MLN, Middle-Late Neolithic; CA, Copper Age; Stp, steppe ancestry; Afr, African ancestry; BA, Bronze Age; IA, Iron Age; Hel, Hellenistic; RomP, Roman Period; c.; century; .SG, shotgun data; out, genetic outlier)
C_Iberia_BA
C_Iberia_BA
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
SW_Iberia_BA.SG



Region
C
C
NE
SW



Cultural affiliation
Cogotas I
Cogotas I





Date (Direct radiocarbon date on the individual calibrated at 2 sigma or date range based on the archaeological context)
1368–1211 BCE
1368–1211 BCE
500–600 CE
1800–1400 BCE



Site
La Requejada, San Román de Hornija, Valladolid, Castilla y León
La Requejada, San Román de Hornija, Valladolid, Castilla y León
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
Monte do Vale do Ouro 2, Ferreira do. Alentejo, Beja



Latitude
41,4584
41,4584
42,01656
38,057765



Longitude
-5,2872
-5,2872
2,814897
-8,109544



Country
Spain
Spain
Spain
Portugal



Publication
This study
This study
This study
Published (6)



Collaborator
Germán Delibes de Castro, Ángel Esparza Arroyo, Javier Velasco-Vázquez
Germán Delibes de Castro, Ángel Esparza Arroyo, Javier Velasco-Vázquez
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó






Y-chromosome calls for the Iberian males
ID
VAD001




Pop name
N_Iberia_BA




Haplogroup
R1b1a1a2a1a2a5




Derived SNPs
R1b1a1a2a1a2a5:Z225:8603396A->G; R1b1a1a2a1a2:P312:22157311C->A; R1b1a1a2a1a:L52:14641193C->T; R1b1a1a2a1a:L151:16492547C->T; R1b1a1a2a1:L51:8502236G->A; R1b1a1a2:CTS623:6912992T->G; R1b1a1a2:CTS8591:18095336A->C; R1b1a1a2:CTS8728:18167403C->T; R1b1a1a2:CTS11468:23124367G->T; R1b1a1a2:L150.1:10008791C->T; R1b1a1a2:L265:8149348A->G; R1b1a1a2:PF6399:2668456C->T; R1b1a1a2:PF6434:8411202A->G; R1b1a1a2:PF6482:18381735A->G; R1b1a1a2:PF6497:21222868C->G; R1b1a1a:CTS3876:15239181G->C; R1b1a1a:CTS5577:16376495A->C; R1b1a1a:CTS7904:17732408T->C; R1b1a1a:CTS9018:18617596C->T; R1b1a1a:L502:19020340G->C; R1b1a1a:PF6451:14116584T->A; R1b1a1a:PF6463:16183412C->A; R1b1a1a:PF6475:17986687C->A; R1b1a1a:PF6501:21447844A->T; R1b1a:A702:10038192G->A; R1b1a:CTS4244:15510064T->G; R1b1a:CTS7585:17545608G->T; R1b1a:FGC41:7900883C->A; R1b1a:L754:22889018G->A; R1b1a:L761:16773870A->G; R1b1a:L1345:21558298G->T; R1b1:CTS2229:14226692T->A; R1b1:L1349:22722580T->C; R1b:M343:2887824C->A; R1:L875:16742224A->G; R1:P225:15590342G->T; R1:P238:7771131G->A; R1:P286:17716251C->T; R:CTS207:2810583A->G; R:CTS2913:14561760A->G; R:CTS6417:16882568T->C; R:CTS7876:17722802G->A; R:CTS8311:17930099C->A; R:CTS11075:22934109A->G; R:F33:6701239G->A; R:F63:7177189G->A; R:F82:7548900G->A; R:F154:8558505T->C; R:F295:15594523A->G; R:F370:16856357T->C; R:F459:18017528G->T; R:F652:23631629C->A; R:FGC1168:15667208G->C; R:L1225:22733758C->G; R:L1347:22818334C->T; R:M651:9889199G->A; R:P224:17285993C->T; R:P227:21409706G->C












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Map after the 2nd Punic War - 200 BC:

https://i.imgur.com/DnCBUJP.png

Salento
30-06-19, 23:24
That’s great @Duarte from “Lusiveto” :)

I’m from Salento, my user-ID is Salento, but somehow Salento it’s not part of my Genetic Community (I think it is because of the Griko Towns in the area).

It’s OK, it doesn’t matter, I like my Name and I’m keeping it :satisfied:

(The blue dot is my Town and the blue circle is Salento)

https://i.imgur.com/Z6xW692.jpg

Duarte
01-07-19, 01:01
That’s great @Duarte from “Luciveto” :)

I’m from Salento, my user-ID is Salento, but somehow Salento it’s not part of my Genetic Community (I think it is because of the Griko Towns in the area).

It’s OK, it doesn’t matter, I like my Name and I’m keeping it :satisfied:

(The blue dot is my Town and the blue circle is Salento)

https://i.imgur.com/Z6xW692.jpg

Luciveto. Liked it. If I had known before, my nickname would be Luciveto Duarte :good_job::cool-v::smile:

I believe I will put Salento on the route of my next European Tour:
Below, the news of the tourism page of a brazilian newspaper:
https://i.imgur.com/WCyqVHf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8j9qUqU.jpg

"A few years ago, the Salento region, better known as the tip of the boot on the Italian map, has become the pole point of Italian summer entertainment with ballads, parties and music festivals attended by thousands of people as well as Ibiza, which attracts millions of tourists every year.

Just like Ibiza, Salento, which covers much of Púglia, like the provinces of Lecce, Brindisi and Taranto, also has two tourist fronts that contribute to the promotion of the territory.

By day, the crystal clear sea of ​​Salento captivates tourists with its paradisiacal beaches that have "views" to the Adriatic Sea, such as Gagliano del Capo, Santa Cesarea Terme, Frassanito and Otranto; and to the Ionian Sea, such as Torre San Giovanni, Porto Selvaggio, San Isidoro, Santa Maria al Bagno and Punta della Suina.

At night, bars, restaurants, ballads, music festivals and other exclusive events warm the region and show a modern Salento, that can attract much more than just Italians in the summers of the coming years.

The beaches are for everyone, both for families with small children, who seek rest, security and fun, as well as passionate couples, who want a romantic vacation, but with emotion or even a group of friends, who appreciate not only a good beach, but a good party." :good_job::smile:

Jovialis
01-07-19, 15:59
https://i.imgur.com/99a6b3n.png

My younger sister's results.

torzio
01-07-19, 20:07
Luciveto. Liked it. If I had known before, my nickname would be Luciveto Duarte :good_job::cool-v::smile:

I believe I will put Salento on the route of my next European Tour:
Below, the news of the tourism page of a brazilian newspaper:
https://i.imgur.com/WCyqVHf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8j9qUqU.jpg

"A few years ago, the Salento region, better known as the tip of the boot on the Italian map, has become the pole point of Italian summer entertainment with ballads, parties and music festivals attended by thousands of people as well as Ibiza, which attracts millions of tourists every year.

Just like Ibiza, Salento, which covers much of Púglia, like the provinces of Lecce, Brindisi and Taranto, also has two tourist fronts that contribute to the promotion of the territory.

By day, the crystal clear sea of ​​Salento captivates tourists with its paradisiacal beaches that have "views" to the Adriatic Sea, such as Gagliano del Capo, Santa Cesarea Terme, Frassanito and Otranto; and to the Ionian Sea, such as Torre San Giovanni, Porto Selvaggio, San Isidoro, Santa Maria al Bagno and Punta della Suina.

At night, bars, restaurants, ballads, music festivals and other exclusive events warm the region and show a modern Salento, that can attract much more than just Italians in the summers of the coming years.

The beaches are for everyone, both for families with small children, who seek rest, security and fun, as well as passionate couples, who want a romantic vacation, but with emotion or even a group of friends, who appreciate not only a good beach, but a good party." :good_job::smile:

fantastic beaches ............hope it does not become a "miami" in the future and stays as it is

Carlos
02-07-19, 00:29
27. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.38) - CL47


https://www.goyaenelprado.es/typo3temp/_processed_/csm_2895_TRABAJO_97bbfb512b.jpg

This man must be a pastor or romantic farmer.

Elizabeth60
02-07-19, 15:36
I've got quite a few deep dive matches.

http://i64.tinypic.com/25khmi9.jpg
http://i65.tinypic.com/2qlz5md.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/15egs2g.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/211jmyp.jpg
http://i66.tinypic.com/2lsk1hj.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/fp575x.jpg
http://i65.tinypic.com/b5p27k.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/21l4yh3.jpg
http://i67.tinypic.com/ju75vm.jpg
http://i63.tinypic.com/20kdv91.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/359wf86.jpg

matty74
02-07-19, 23:13
27. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (17.38) - CL47


https://www.goyaenelprado.es/typo3temp/_processed_/csm_2895_TRABAJO_97bbfb512b.jpg

This man must be a pastor or romantic farmer.






Or the Pied Piper of Hamelin

matty74
02-07-19, 23:21
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) (5.472) - I2097 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (7.332) - SSJ-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (7.732) - KNS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
23. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
24. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
25. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
26. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.11) - ORE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
28. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.148) - 97029 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
30. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
32. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) (8.349) - KOV-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
33. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
34. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.479) - GTE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
35. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) (8.512) - GRS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
36. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
37. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
38. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.754) - stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
39. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
40. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
42. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
43. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (8.864) - DKS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
44. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
45. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
47. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
48. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (9.094) - 97002 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
49. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
50. Gaelic Child Viking Iceland (935 AD) (9.372) - YGS-B2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
51. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
52. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
53. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (9.598) - SSG-A4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
54. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
55. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
56. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.908) - I12162 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
57. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
58. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
59. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
60. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) (10.4) - I5471 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

matty74
02-07-19, 23:22
https://i.imgur.com/WEps5pU.png

https://i.imgur.com/XfXbtSe.jpg

Salento
03-07-19, 02:09
https://i.imgur.com/eYCGpYu.png
Hellenic Romans - Romans - Ancient Greeks

Carlos
03-07-19, 02:51
Or the Pied Piper of Hamelin

Oh, it had not occurred to me, good observation. The point is that it is drawing my attention and sliding downhill with great ease while claiming my attention with the look, seems a nice and carefree guy.

Duarte
03-07-19, 12:12
Good morning folks.
The calculator used by the MTA to determine the modern populations closest to you is the Eurogenes K15 available through the portal www.dnagenics.com through the tool "Admixture Studio". If you check the 8 modern populations displayed by the MTA and their distances with those displayed by the "Admixture Studio", you can see that it is the same tool. The advantage of the "Admixture Studio" is to display 10 modern populations, instead of eight, in addition to offering several mixtures with their respective distances. Look and compare my data below:

https://i.imgur.com/dc84CGV.png
https://i.imgur.com/ZJpm0rJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/9sHera3.png
https://i.imgur.com/FZzXwN4.png
https://i.imgur.com/WZZdtg4.png

Archetype0ne
04-07-19, 00:46
https://i.imgur.com/1eWwywK.png
https://i.imgur.com/gITgE4S.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/bovw3K0.png
https://i.imgur.com/os71KzE.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/amurr9Y.png
https://i.imgur.com/nuDE3y6.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/tjQlnkA.png

Archetype0ne
04-07-19, 01:12
Thank you for sharing that tool Duarte.

Using K36 Calculator:


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 65606 ms
1 52.15% SZ32_northItalian + 47.85% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 @ 11.209
2 50.20% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 49.80% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.219
3 78.71% SZ32_northItalian + 21.29% AV2_Hungary_Szolad @ 11.297
4 74.80% SZ32_northItalian + 25.20% AV1_Hungary_Szolad @ 11.351
5 71.29% SZ32_northItalian + 28.71% EMA_Czech_RISE569 @ 11.409
6 64.26% SZ32_northItalian + 35.74% SZ5_Pannonian @ 11.815
7 79.88% SZ32_northItalian + 20.12% Sungir6_Medieval_Russian @ 12.012
8 70.90% SZ32_northItalian + 29.10% EMA_Alpine_STR_328 @ 12.095
9 78.71% SZ32_northItalian + 21.29% IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL @ 12.215
10 72.07% SZ32_northItalian + 27.93% MA2198_Anatolia_IA @ 12.219
11 75.98% SZ32_northItalian + 24.02% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 12.250
12 75.98% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 24.02% N_Germany_I0797 @ 12.273
13 77.54% SZ32_northItalian + 22.46% Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106 @ 12.273
14 55.27% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 44.73% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.274
15 75.98% SZ32_northItalian + 24.02% Scythian009_Ukraine @ 12.279
16 71.29% SZ32_northItalian + 28.71% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC @ 12.336
17 50.20% SZ5_Pannonian + 49.80% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.378
18 50.20% SZ5_Pannonian + 49.80% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 12.383
19 63.48% SZ32_northItalian + 36.52% SZ18_Pannonian @ 12.390
20 59.57% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 40.43% I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD @ 12.413
21 77.93% SZ32_northItalian + 22.07% Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486 @ 12.490
22 66.60% SZ32_northItalian + 33.40% BA_Hungary_BR2 @ 12.494
23 74.02% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 25.98% BA_I9033_Mycenaean @ 12.498
24 67.38% SZ32_northItalian + 32.62% DA199HungaryMedieval @ 12.513
25 80.66% SZ32_northItalian + 19.34% Vik_urm160_SigtunaViking @ 12.524
26 75.98% SZ32_northItalian + 24.02% DA179_Kipchak @ 12.540
27 58.79% SZ32_northItalian + 41.21% SZ1_GreekBalkan @ 12.549
28 79.49% SZ32_northItalian + 20.51% Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266 @ 12.563
29 65.82% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 + 34.18% MA2198_Anatolia_IA @ 12.569
30 75.20% SZ32_northItalian + 24.80% Bul4_Bulgarian_Yamnaya_o @ 12.575
31 74.41% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 25.59% N_Hungary_NE1_ @ 12.616
32 81.84% SZ32_northItalian + 18.16% MA2196_Ottoman_14001600 @ 12.655
33 58.01% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 41.99% SZ36_northItalian @ 12.664
34 50.20% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 49.80% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.680
35 81.45% SZ32_northItalian + 18.55% Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241 @ 12.684
36 56.45% SZ5_Pannonian + 43.55% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 12.708
37 76.76% SZ32_northItalian + 23.24% DA191_Hungary_Scythian @ 12.715
38 70.12% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 29.88% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.721
39 60.74% SZ5_Pannonian + 39.26% N_Bar8_Anatolia @ 12.723
40 64.26% SZ32_northItalian + 35.74% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 12.729


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% SZ32_northItalian @ 15.023
2 100% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 @ 15.609
3 100% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 @ 17.204
4 100% SZ1_GreekBalkan @ 17.231
5 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 17.911
6 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 17.930
7 100% SZ28_northItalian @ 18.808
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 18.836
9 100% SZ45_Pannonian @ 19.079
10 100% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 19.088
New populations: 110


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 50% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.217
2 50% SZ32_northItalian + 50% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.363
3 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.376
4 50% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 50% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.674
5 50% I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 50% SZ1_GreekBalkan @ 12.736
6 50% SZ18_Pannonian + 50% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.789
7 50% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 12.789
8 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.918
9 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ18_Pannonian @ 12.939
10 50% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 50% N_Bar8_Anatolia @ 12.985


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 33% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA @ 10.283
2 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ32_northItalian + 33% SZ5_Pannonian @ 10.437
3 33% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 33% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 10.955
4 33% EMA_Alpine_STR_328 + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 10.977
5 33% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 10.986
6 33% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.010
7 33% BA_Hungary_BR2 + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.017
8 33% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 33% N_Hungary_NE1_ @ 11.046
9 33% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 33% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 33% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 11.054
10 33% CL25_south_Italian + 33% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.056


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 8.944
2 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.183
3 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.411
4 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ32_northItalian @ 9.436
5 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.487
6 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.538
7 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 25% SZ32_northItalian @ 9.566
8 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 + 25% SZ5_Pannonian @ 9.592
9 25% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 25% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.614
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 + 25% SZ5_Pannonian @ 9.701

Archetype0ne
04-07-19, 01:16
Using K15:

https://i.imgur.com/xlYhxjb.png

Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 224 populations found.
15 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 10781 ms
1 91.60% Greek_Thessaly + 8.40% Hinxton1 @ 5.545
2 92.38% Greek_Thessaly + 7.62% Motala12 @ 5.560
3 85.74% Greek_Thessaly + 14.26% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.571
4 91.21% Greek_Thessaly + 8.79% North_Swedish @ 5.575
5 88.48% Greek_Thessaly + 11.52% West_German @ 5.599
6 87.70% Greek_Thessaly + 12.30% BR2 @ 5.620
7 91.60% Greek_Thessaly + 8.40% Norwegian @ 5.623
8 91.99% Greek_Thessaly + 8.01% West_Norwegian @ 5.641
9 92.77% Greek_Thessaly + 7.23% Hinxton2 @ 5.641
10 93.16% Greek_Thessaly + 6.84% Chuvash @ 5.668
11 88.09% Greek_Thessaly + 11.91% French @ 5.689
12 91.60% Greek_Thessaly + 8.40% East_Finnish @ 5.689
13 93.95% Greek_Thessaly + 6.05% Mari @ 5.736
14 89.26% Greek_Thessaly + 10.74% East_German @ 5.738
15 91.99% Greek_Thessaly + 8.01% Swedish @ 5.747
16 92.38% Greek_Thessaly + 7.62% Icelandic @ 5.752
17 91.60% Greek_Thessaly + 8.40% Southwest_English @ 5.759
18 87.30% Greek_Thessaly + 12.70% Portuguese @ 5.762
19 91.99% Greek_Thessaly + 8.01% Finnish @ 5.765
20 92.38% Greek_Thessaly + 7.62% Gokhem2 @ 5.773
21 90.04% Greek_Thessaly + 9.96% South_Dutch @ 5.777
22 91.99% Greek_Thessaly + 8.01% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.781
23 82.23% Greek_Thessaly + 17.77% Serbian @ 5.800
24 93.55% Greek_Thessaly + 6.45% Hinxton3 @ 5.800
25 92.77% Greek_Thessaly + 7.23% Orcadian @ 5.827
26 92.38% Greek_Thessaly + 7.62% Danish @ 5.839
27 92.38% Greek_Thessaly + 7.62% North_Dutch @ 5.848
28 92.38% Greek_Thessaly + 7.62% Southeast_English @ 5.866
29 88.48% Greek_Thessaly + 11.52% Hungarian @ 5.883
30 92.77% Greek_Thessaly + 7.23% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.898
31 92.77% Greek_Thessaly + 7.23% West_Scottish @ 5.900
32 93.55% Greek_Thessaly + 6.45% Saami_Finland @ 5.903
33 90.82% Greek_Thessaly + 9.18% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.932
34 91.60% Greek_Thessaly + 8.40% Ukrainian @ 5.940
35 93.16% Greek_Thessaly + 6.84% Hinxton5 @ 5.945
36 88.09% Greek_Thessaly + 11.91% Moldavian @ 5.948
37 89.26% Greek_Thessaly + 10.74% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.952
38 93.55% Greek_Thessaly + 6.45% Erzya @ 5.957
39 93.16% Greek_Thessaly + 6.84% Irish @ 5.959
40 89.65% Greek_Thessaly + 10.35% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.968


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.525
2 100% Greek @ 11.187
3 100% Bulgarian @ 11.959
4 100% Tuscan @ 11.987
5 100% Romanian @ 12.733
6 100% Ashkenazi @ 13.110
7 100% Central_Greek @ 13.537
8 100% Italian_Abruzzo @ 13.731
9 100% East_Sicilian @ 14.159
10 100% Serbian @ 14.831
New populations: 58


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.525
2 50% Italian_Jew + 50% Moldavian @ 7.289
3 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Romanian @ 7.869
4 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Serbian @ 7.877
5 50% Algerian_Jew + 50% Moldavian @ 7.901
6 50% East_Sicilian + 50% Serbian @ 7.906
7 50% Hungarian + 50% Italian_Jew @ 7.933
8 50% Central_Greek + 50% Serbian @ 7.934
9 50% Greek_Thessaly + 50% Tuscan @ 7.998
10 50% Bulgarian + 50% Greek_Thessaly @ 8.006


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Serbian @ 6.338
2 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.525
3 33% Libyan_Jew + 33% Moldavian + 33% North_Italian @ 6.537
4 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Italian_Jew + 33% Moldavian @ 6.565
5 33% Cypriot + 33% Moldavian + 33% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.635
6 33% East_German + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Libyan_Jew @ 6.726
7 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Hungarian + 33% Italian_Jew @ 6.733
8 33% Ashkenazi + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Serbian @ 6.789
9 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Romanian @ 6.818
10 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% Greek_Thessaly + 33% North_Italian @ 6.841


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Serbian @ 5.917
2 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Libyan_Jew + 25% Moldavian + 25% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.013
3 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Libyan_Jew + 25% Moldavian + 25% North_Italian @ 6.029
4 25% Cypriot + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Moldavian + 25% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.080
5 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Spanish_Galicia @ 6.158
6 25% East_German + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Libyan_Jew @ 6.208
7 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Libyan_Jew + 25% North_Italian + 25% Ukrainian @ 6.218
8 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Libyan_Jew + 25% Moldavian + 25% Portuguese @ 6.298
9 25% East_German + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Italian_Jew @ 6.327
10 25% Ashkenazi + 25% BR2 + 25% Greek_Thessaly + 25% Greek_Thessaly @ 6.331

Duarte
04-07-19, 07:26
Thank you for sharing that tool Duarte.

Using K36 Calculator:


Oracle Calculator by www.dnagenics.com (http://www.dnagenics.com)
v1 Beta 30/03/2019


Finished reading population data. 474 populations found.
36 components mode.


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Mixed Mode:
Elapsed Time: 65606 ms
1 52.15% SZ32_northItalian + 47.85% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 @ 11.209
2 50.20% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 49.80% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.219
3 78.71% SZ32_northItalian + 21.29% AV2_Hungary_Szolad @ 11.297
4 74.80% SZ32_northItalian + 25.20% AV1_Hungary_Szolad @ 11.351
5 71.29% SZ32_northItalian + 28.71% EMA_Czech_RISE569 @ 11.409
6 64.26% SZ32_northItalian + 35.74% SZ5_Pannonian @ 11.815
7 79.88% SZ32_northItalian + 20.12% Sungir6_Medieval_Russian @ 12.012
8 70.90% SZ32_northItalian + 29.10% EMA_Alpine_STR_328 @ 12.095
9 78.71% SZ32_northItalian + 21.29% IA_Wielbark_Kow_55_PL @ 12.215
10 72.07% SZ32_northItalian + 27.93% MA2198_Anatolia_IA @ 12.219
11 75.98% SZ32_northItalian + 24.02% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 12.250
12 75.98% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 24.02% N_Germany_I0797 @ 12.273
13 77.54% SZ32_northItalian + 22.46% Baiuvarii_Germanic_AED_106 @ 12.273
14 55.27% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 44.73% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.274
15 75.98% SZ32_northItalian + 24.02% Scythian009_Ukraine @ 12.279
16 71.29% SZ32_northItalian + 28.71% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC @ 12.336
17 50.20% SZ5_Pannonian + 49.80% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.378
18 50.20% SZ5_Pannonian + 49.80% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 12.383
19 63.48% SZ32_northItalian + 36.52% SZ18_Pannonian @ 12.390
20 59.57% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 40.43% I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD @ 12.413
21 77.93% SZ32_northItalian + 22.07% Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_486 @ 12.490
22 66.60% SZ32_northItalian + 33.40% BA_Hungary_BR2 @ 12.494
23 74.02% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 25.98% BA_I9033_Mycenaean @ 12.498
24 67.38% SZ32_northItalian + 32.62% DA199HungaryMedieval @ 12.513
25 80.66% SZ32_northItalian + 19.34% Vik_urm160_SigtunaViking @ 12.524
26 75.98% SZ32_northItalian + 24.02% DA179_Kipchak @ 12.540
27 58.79% SZ32_northItalian + 41.21% SZ1_GreekBalkan @ 12.549
28 79.49% SZ32_northItalian + 20.51% Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_266 @ 12.563
29 65.82% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 + 34.18% MA2198_Anatolia_IA @ 12.569
30 75.20% SZ32_northItalian + 24.80% Bul4_Bulgarian_Yamnaya_o @ 12.575
31 74.41% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 25.59% N_Hungary_NE1_ @ 12.616
32 81.84% SZ32_northItalian + 18.16% MA2196_Ottoman_14001600 @ 12.655
33 58.01% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 41.99% SZ36_northItalian @ 12.664
34 50.20% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 49.80% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.680
35 81.45% SZ32_northItalian + 18.55% Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_241 @ 12.684
36 56.45% SZ5_Pannonian + 43.55% CL30_GreeksouthItalian @ 12.708
37 76.76% SZ32_northItalian + 23.24% DA191_Hungary_Scythian @ 12.715
38 70.12% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 29.88% SZ19_Italian_Balkan @ 12.721
39 60.74% SZ5_Pannonian + 39.26% N_Bar8_Anatolia @ 12.723
40 64.26% SZ32_northItalian + 35.74% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 12.729


Least-squares method.


Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% SZ32_northItalian @ 15.023
2 100% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 @ 15.609
3 100% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 @ 17.204
4 100% SZ1_GreekBalkan @ 17.231
5 100% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 @ 17.911
6 100% SZ36_northItalian @ 17.930
7 100% SZ28_northItalian @ 18.808
8 100% CL36_northItalian @ 18.836
9 100% SZ45_Pannonian @ 19.079
10 100% Visigoth_southEuro_mixed_I12031 @ 19.088
New populations: 110


Using 2 populations approximation
1 50% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 50% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.217
2 50% SZ32_northItalian + 50% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.363
3 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.376
4 50% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 50% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.674
5 50% I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 50% SZ1_GreekBalkan @ 12.736
6 50% SZ18_Pannonian + 50% SZ32_northItalian @ 12.789
7 50% EMA_Alpine_STR_310 + 50% SZ36_northItalian @ 12.789
8 50% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 50% SZ5_Pannonian @ 12.918
9 50% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 50% SZ18_Pannonian @ 12.939
10 50% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 50% N_Bar8_Anatolia @ 12.985


Using 3 populations approximation
1 33% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 33% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA @ 10.283
2 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ32_northItalian + 33% SZ5_Pannonian @ 10.437
3 33% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 33% SZ1_GreekBalkan + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 10.955
4 33% EMA_Alpine_STR_328 + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 10.977
5 33% EMA_northItalian_NW_54 + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 10.986
6 33% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 33% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.010
7 33% BA_Hungary_BR2 + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.017
8 33% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 33% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 33% N_Hungary_NE1_ @ 11.046
9 33% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 33% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 33% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 11.054
10 33% CL25_south_Italian + 33% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 33% SZ32_northItalian @ 11.056


Using 4 populations approximation
1 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 8.944
2 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.183
3 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.411
4 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 + 25% SZ18_Pannonian + 25% SZ32_northItalian @ 9.436
5 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.487
6 25% CL30_GreeksouthItalian + 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.538
7 25% EMA_Czech_RISE569 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MA2198_Anatolia_IA + 25% SZ32_northItalian @ 9.566
8 25% EMA_GreekBalkan_AEH_1 + 25% I1979_Beaker_North_Italy + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 + 25% SZ5_Pannonian @ 9.592
9 25% BA_I9006_Mycenean + 25% DA112_HallstattBylany_800BC + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 @ 9.614
10 25% BA_I9041_Mycenaean + 25% i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD + 25% MBA_Armenia_RISE416 + 25% SZ5_Pannonian @ 9.701

I'm glad you liked the tool, Archetype0ne. Very cool your results. Big hug:good_job::smile:

Carlos
04-07-19, 12:16
MYTrueAncestry
Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Spanish_Cantabria (6.258)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.723)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (8.458)
4. Southwest_French (8.469)
5. Spanish_Aragon (8.66)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (9.217)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (9.510)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (9.892)

dnaGenics

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mmKGjtIIkTs/XR3QAT9e-FI/AAAAAAAAA5o/M6htXmc5Y7M8DJSvc8tsk05LPfCUjzxegCLcBGAs/s1600/k15dnagenicsscreenshot_20190704_115908.jpg

Duarte
05-07-19, 11:47
MYTrueAncestry
Your closest genetic modern populations...


1. Spanish_Cantabria (6.258)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.723)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (8.458)
4. Southwest_French (8.469)
5. Spanish_Aragon (8.66)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (9.217)
7. Spanish_Extremadura (9.510)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (9.892)

dnaGenics

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mmKGjtIIkTs/XR3QAT9e-FI/AAAAAAAAA5o/M6htXmc5Y7M8DJSvc8tsk05LPfCUjzxegCLcBGAs/s1600/k15dnagenicsscreenshot_20190704_115908.jpg

We have a lot in common dear friend @Carlos.:good_job::smile: