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Carlos
06-07-19, 13:40
News results for me

7. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) (12.63) - I12640
12. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.42) - I3759
15. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.59) - I3758
28. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) (16.61) - I12641
31. Iron Age Catalan (440 BC) (17.36) - I12877
49. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) (20.54) - I3757
52. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (21.04) - I12642

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nsZafCbA3iU/XSCMAnTEEKI/AAAAAAAAA6M/wnDKOexOTtQeHCCFFpWWFfozpayksOTdQCLcBGAs/s1600/TIMELINECeltiberian.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-12U-sJmqFTI/XSCLdvg8GnI/AAAAAAAAA6E/0s6CTVsJK7wd3wAznyXi6-AeQTVgNwsUwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCELTIBERIANBIS.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p5OlIObHcGo/XSCJaSdMjiI/AAAAAAAAA54/pGzEtfxw82wuSO5KqOf1RXjKkeKAU5NhgCLcBGAs/s1600/MAPEceltiberian.jpg

Duarte
06-07-19, 16:01
News results for me

7. Iron Age Catalan (620 BC) (12.63) - I12640
12. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.42) - I3759
15. Celtiberian Northern Spain (280 BC) (14.59) - I3758
28. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) (16.61) - I12641
31. Iron Age Catalan (440 BC) (17.36) - I12877
49. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) (20.54) - I3757
52. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (21.04) - I12642

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nsZafCbA3iU/XSCMAnTEEKI/AAAAAAAAA6M/wnDKOexOTtQeHCCFFpWWFfozpayksOTdQCLcBGAs/s1600/TIMELINECeltiberian.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-12U-sJmqFTI/XSCLdvg8GnI/AAAAAAAAA6E/0s6CTVsJK7wd3wAznyXi6-AeQTVgNwsUwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainCELTIBERIANBIS.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p5OlIObHcGo/XSCJaSdMjiI/AAAAAAAAA54/pGzEtfxw82wuSO5KqOf1RXjKkeKAU5NhgCLcBGAs/s1600/MAPEceltiberian.jpg

Thanks for the information @ Carlos. These samples appear to me as well. Celtiberians? It is quite logical in our case :)
My new results. New changes in "Deep Dive" :)

https://i.imgur.com/zEfeFu5.png
https://i.imgur.com/ATSazFk.png
https://i.imgur.com/XXyc8ve.png
https://i.imgur.com/N1STcIl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SDaH0tR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/m1z189E.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Ti3GxPT.jpg

Carlos
07-07-19, 13:01
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qYXgwVOLpk8/XSHM_1JdAaI/AAAAAAAAA6g/Y9NaqQWisdAvb1lmJHJ01fw8Z0UPl6R_wCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainArqueologicoMAPA100.jpg

I have been forced. I had gotten 40,000 samples of the Catalan iron breaking all my ceramics and taking too many parties so you could not see the interconnections between Europeans that was what many were wishing you not to see, but with money everything is possible.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c2MFzm0BX5o/XSHfwOW23OI/AAAAAAAAA6s/jXBRlgGFEHQr4v1r94_d-2Ob45bK7XFegCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main100ancientSanples.jpg

Duarte
07-07-19, 14:15
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qYXgwVOLpk8/XSHM_1JdAaI/AAAAAAAAA6g/Y9NaqQWisdAvb1lmJHJ01fw8Z0UPl6R_wCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainArqueologicoMAPA100.jpg

I have been forced. I had gotten 40,000 samples of the Catalan iron breaking all my ceramics and taking too many parties so you could not see the interconnections between Europeans that was what many were wishing you not to see, but with money everything is possible.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c2MFzm0BX5o/XSHfwOW23OI/AAAAAAAAA6s/jXBRlgGFEHQr4v1r94_d-2Ob45bK7XFegCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main100ancientSanples.jpg

@Carlos
You uploaded to the Zeus level, which allows the display of up to 100 ancient samples on the Archaeological Europe Map. Very cool, but I'll continue on the Caesar level. I'm not willing to pay $100 to turns me a Zeus. LOL. Congratulations dear friend.


In my case (Caesar level), the changes in "Deep Dive" never stop. Now, almost all my matches are in Iberia. The list of old samples has also changed. In the last list my top 60 stopped at Bell Beaker Poland (22.49). Now my top 60 stopped at Italy Bell Beaker (21.0), which in the previous list was sample number 54. Six old samples were suppressed of the top 60. Now, in the new list, are eight samples of "Iron Age Catalan", six more samples of this ancient population than in the previous list.

https://i.imgur.com/8mhlimj.png
https://i.imgur.com/g49xcJf.png
https://i.imgur.com/YbpcbB0.png

Duarte
07-07-19, 16:34
That's the most I can get with my 60 samples of the Caesar level. My neolithic and Bronze Age has disappeared from the my European Ancestral Timelapse maps (now, only maps from the Late Bronze Age and beyond are displayed).

https://i.imgur.com/TfIAban.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LOwq4dt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pvnwDmR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/A0cPmVq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/osRsGXI.jpg

kingjohn
07-07-19, 17:29
me after the update now i have selvecus
Analysis Summary


(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#collapse1_1)


Ancient Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-ancient1)
Ancient Samples (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-sample1)
Deep Dive (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-deep1)
Modern Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-modern1)

Your closest Ancient populations...


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Seleucid.jpgSeleucid

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpgHellenic Roman



Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth_Migration.jpg

RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral_Migration.jpg




Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Seleucid (13.07)
Roman (14.66)



bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png



iron age
https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
Previous (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#carousel-map-1)



but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png

matadworf
07-07-19, 17:44
me after the update now i have selvecus
Analysis Summary


(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#collapse1_1)


Ancient Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-ancient1)
Ancient Samples (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-sample1)
Deep Dive (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-deep1)
Modern Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-modern1)

Your closest Ancient populations...


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Seleucid.jpgSeleucid

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpgHellenic Roman



Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth_Migration.jpg

RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral_Migration.jpg




Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Seleucid (13.07)
Roman (14.66)



bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png



iron age
https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
Previous (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#carousel-map-1)



but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png





Any idea the origin of the Seleucid sample?

Carlos
07-07-19, 17:50
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i8HRitI_IIk/XSH-GYPBpkI/AAAAAAAAA8I/mGkJrcRxPN4rYzAUaHgeqynrB0A-xvGowCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMAPEEUROPEpremium100.jpg

iron Catalan It goes out to the mayor and even the deputy mayor. What is this? Does that era represent the entire Iberian Peninsula? What province are these results from?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gk3Pu7ViOoc/XSITvjGA0fI/AAAAAAAAA8g/M5dFU-QqWrgFDI9PzAg9vHQwqPUrlMJGACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainIRON.CATALAN.jpg

kingjohn
07-07-19, 18:00
i wish to see his gedmatch kit number he is dated to 165 BC

matadworf
07-07-19, 18:24
i wish to see his gedmatch kit number he is dated to 165 BC
If he's ruling elite probable Macedonian Greek?

Duarte
07-07-19, 19:13
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i8HRitI_IIk/XSH-GYPBpkI/AAAAAAAAA8I/mGkJrcRxPN4rYzAUaHgeqynrB0A-xvGowCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainMAPEEUROPEpremium100.jpg

iron Catalan It goes out to the mayor and even the deputy mayor. What is this? Does that era represent the entire Iberian Peninsula? What province are these results from?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gk3Pu7ViOoc/XSITvjGA0fI/AAAAAAAAA8g/M5dFU-QqWrgFDI9PzAg9vHQwqPUrlMJGACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainIRON.CATALAN.jpg



Ancient individuals from the Iberian Peninsula included in this study























Ind ID (_d, only sequences with aDNA damage were used for analysis)
Colaborator ID
Skeletal element
UDG treatment for each library
Autosomal SNPs covered
Genetic sex
mtDNA
Y-chr
Kinship
Include in genome-wide analyses
Pop name (NE_Iberia, northeast Iberia; SE_Iberia, southeast Iberia; NW_Iberia, northwest Iberia; SW_Iberia, southwest Iberia; N_Iberia, northern Iberia; C_Iberia, central Iberia; E_Iberia, eastern Iberia; Meso, Mesolithic; EN, Early Neolithic; MLN, Middle-Late Neolithic; CA, Copper Age; Stp, steppe ancestry; Afr, African ancestry; BA, Bronze Age; IA, Iron Age; Hel, Hellenistic; RomP, Roman Period; c.; century; .SG, shotgun data; out, genetic outlier)
Region
Cultural affiliation
Date (Direct radiocarbon date on the individual calibrated at 2 sigma or date range based on the archaeological context)
Site
Latitude
Longitude
Country
Publication
Collaborator





I8213
10-SU-28-D1-E-60
tooth
half,half
12213
F
K2a
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–400 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8211
10-SU-28-D1-E-96
tooth
half,half
29725
M
HV0+195
R

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–450 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8212
10-SU-28-D1-E-46
tooth
half,half
35129
M
H27+16093
R

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–350 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8210
10-SU-28-D1-E-91
tooth
half,half
63467
M
U5b3
R1b1a1a2

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–350 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8214
10-SU-28-D1-E-82
tooth
half,half
530342
F
H3+152
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

400–350 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8209
10-SU-28-D1-E-99
tooth
half,half
868050
M
U1a1a
R1b1a1a2a1a2
Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

450–400 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8340
10-SU-28-D1-E-63
tooth
half
25719
F
K1a+195
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–350 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8341
10-SU-28-D1-E-62
tooth
half
48396
M
H1
R1b1a1a2a1a2
Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–350 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8344
10-SU-28-D1-E-74
tooth
half
38534
M
H3
R1b1a1a

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries1)
NE

500–400 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8215
10-SU-28-D1-E-76
tooth
half,half
829948
F
HV11
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_Greek (Empúries2)
NE

400–350 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8204
12-SU-33-A4-600
tooth
half,half
131452
F
H1e
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_Hel_out
NE

300–100 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8206
12-SU-33-A4-T680
tooth
half,half
425016
M
H7a1
R1b1a1a2a1a2
Yes
NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1)
NE

300–100 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8203
02-SU-33-A4-T1058
tooth
half,half
524097
F
H13a1a1
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries1)
NE

300–100 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8205
12-SU-33-A4-180
tooth
half,half
72446
M
H14a2c
J

Yes
NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2)
NE

300–100 BCE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8208
12-SU-33-A4-T510
tooth
half,half
385525
M
H33
J

Yes
NE_Iberia_Hel (Empúries2)
NE

370–204 cal BCE (2220±20 BP, PSUAMS-4277)
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8202
02-SU-33-A4-T1077
tooth
half,half
113554
M
K2b1
R1b1a1a2a1a
Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1)
NE

100–300 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8339
10-SU-28-D1-E-8
tooth
half
270050
F
K1a+195
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1)
NE

100–200 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I10865
10-SU-28-D1-E-37
petrous
half
40795
M
U5a1a1
HIJK(xI,xJ)

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP_out
NE

100–200 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I10866
10-SU-28-D1-E-20
petrous
half
799391
F
K1b2a
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP_out
NE

43 cal BCE–51 cal CE (2005±15 BP, PSUAMS-5281)
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8338
10-SU-28-D1-E-15
tooth
half
45674
F
HV0+195
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2)
NE

100–200 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8475
10-SU-28-D1-E-16
tooth
half
551105
F
T2b
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP_out
NE

100–200 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8216
10-SU-28-D1-E-35
tooth
half,half
42507
M
H1
J

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries2)
NE

57–208 cal CE (1895±20 BP, PSUAMS-4212)
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I8474
10-SU-28-D1-E-47
tooth
half
46847
F
U5a1a2b
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP (Empúries1)
NE

100–200 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I7158
MGA'92 UE 108
tooth
half
5395
M
T2b11
..

No (Low coverage)
NE_Iberia_RomP
NE

200–500 CE
Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia
41,274
1,178
Spain
This study
Josep Maria Vergès




I6492
MGA'92 UE 105
tooth
half
9030
M
T2b11
R1b1a1a2a1a2c
No (Low coverage)
NE_Iberia_RomP
NE

200–500 CE
Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia
41,274
1,178
Spain
This study
Josep Maria Vergès




I6490
MGA'92-Resta II
tooth
half
87409
F
K1c2
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_RomP
NE

200–500 CE
Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia
41,274
1,178
Spain
This study
Josep Maria Vergès




I6491
MGA'92-Resta III
tooth
half
20130
M
H4a1a
R

No (Contamination)
NE_Iberia_RomP
NE

200–500 CE
Mas Gassol, Alcover, Tarragona, Catalonia
41,274
1,178
Spain
This study
Josep Maria Vergès




I8343
05-SMG-8075
tooth
half
93034
M
J1c2c2
R1b1a1a2

Yes
NE_Iberia_Late_RomP
NE

500–600 CE
Empúries, Girona, Catalonia
42,1333
3,1083
Spain
This study
Marta Santos, Pere Castanyer, Joaquim Tremoleda


I3778
T-269
tooth
half
28884
M
H4a1
P~

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

600–700 CE
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I3776
T-267
tooth
half
31966
F
U5a1i1
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

600–700 CE
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I3866
T-264
tooth
half
102647
M
U5a1b1
R1b1

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

600–700 CE
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I3775
T-266
bone (phalanx)
half
117254
M
H3t
R1b1a1

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

600–700 CE
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I3777
T-268
bone (phalanx)
half
325993
F
V17
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

600–700 CE
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I7674
T-143
tooth
half
27705
F
H42
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I7672
T-120-1
tooth
half
57994
M
T2h
R1b1a1a2a1a
Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I7676
T-191
tooth
half
70706
F
U5a1c
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I7675
T-194
tooth
half
125123
M
U3a1
R1b1a1a2a1a
Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I7673
T-120-2
tooth
half
297805
F
W1+119
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6-8CE_ES
NE

785–801 CE [between conquest of Girona and conquest of Barcelona]
L'Esquerda, Roda de Ter, Barcelona, Catalonia
41,981377
2,309824
Spain
This study
Imma Ollich-Castanyer, Antònia Díaz-Carvajal


I12029
PH'06-1144
tooth
half
3769
M
U5a1a1d
BT

No (Low coverage)
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12030
PH'06-1169
tooth
half
30509
F
J1c3g
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12031
PH'06-1172
tooth
half
562386
M
H1e2
E1b1b1a1b1a
Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12032
PH'06-1183
tooth
half
214998
M
C4a1a+195
R1b1a1a2a1

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12033
PH'06-1192
tooth
half
38668
M
V
I

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12034
PH'06-1207
tooth
half
504755
F
W6a
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12162
PH'06-1163
tooth
half
434443
M
U5b1b1d
J2a

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12163
PH'06-1166
tooth
half
416220
F
J2b1a+16311
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I12164
PH'06-1157
tooth
half
43000
F
C4a1a+195
..
1st_rel_I12032
No (kinship)
NE_Iberia_c.6CE_PL
NE

500–600 CE
Pla de l'Horta, Sarrià de Ter, Girona, Catalonia
42,01656
2,814897
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10851
SJR'15-1669
tooth
half
55880
F
H3
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

887–1013 cal CE (1100±30 BP, Beta-458691)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10852
SJR'14-1670
tooth
half
304635
F
H6c
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

973–1150 cal CE (1010±30 BP, Beta-458692)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10853
SJR'15-1796
tooth
half
247959
M
U4a1
E1b1b1a1b1

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

989–1153 cal CE (990±30 BP, Beta-448950)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10854
SJR'15-1820
tooth
half
4221
M
H1n+146
BT

No (Low coverage)
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

973–1150 cal CE (1010±30 BP, Beta-448952)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10892
SJR'15-1846
tooth
half
547168
F
H1e1a3
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

770–1200 CE (based on dates in the same context)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10895
SJR'15-1828
tooth
half
631258
M
H1ap1
R1b1a1a2a1a1c
Yes
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

777–981 cal CE (1140±30 BP, Beta-448953)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó


I10897
SJR'17-2099
tooth
half
114230
F
I1c
..

Yes
NE_Iberia_c.8-12CE
NE

1033–1204 cal CE (910±30 BP, Beta-477258)
Sant Julià de Ramis, Girona, Catalonia
42,0507
2,867
Spain
This study
Neus Coromina, Josep Burch, David Vivó

Angela
07-07-19, 19:26
me after the update now i have selvecus
Analysis Summary


(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#collapse1_1)


Ancient Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-ancient1)
Ancient Samples (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-sample1)
Deep Dive (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-deep1)
Modern Populations (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#nav-modern1)

Your closest Ancient populations...


https://mytrueancestry.com/img/Seleucid.jpgSeleucid

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpgHellenic Roman



Seleucid EmpireHellenic RomansIn the 8th century BC (before the Roman Republic), Greeks began a large colonization drive to southern Italy to populate Sicily, Campania, Calabria, Apulia and Bascilicata. The romans referred to this region which includes the boot of Italy as Magna Graecia (Greater Greece). This large scale migration was underway by the time of the Trojan War and lasted several centuries. The settlers brought Hellenic civilization which had a lasting impact on the culture of Ancient Rome. The Hellenic civilization interacted with the native Italic civilization. The Greek cities were one by one absorbed into the Roman Republic starting with Neapolis in 327 BC. Sicily was conqureed by Rome during the first Punic War against Carthage.
Sicily was initially populated by Phoenicians but then heavily colonized and settled by Greeks. Syracuse (Sicily) became the most populous greek city in the world by the 3rd century BC. The population of the island remained mostly unchanged.
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth_Migration.jpg

RomansThe founding of mighty Rome starts with the story of Romulus and Remus. Whether they were suckled by a she-wolf as infants or descended from the Trojan War hero Aeneas, the Latins who settled Rome had their crude dwellings tranformed into a true city by their Etruscan overlords. The Etruscans were master builders who gave Rome its architecture, gods, and gladiators. After overthrowing their conquerors, the Roman Republic expanded quickly to incorporate the Latins, Etruscans (originally from Anatolia), Greek settlers to the south and Gauls to the north. Republic gave way to Empire and after a thousand years it was time for Rome to face its end. Although numerous invaders arrived on the scene as the empire weakened and crumbled, the wars with the Ostrogoths from 535-554 AD had a lasting impact that left Italy devastated and depopulated.
https://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral_Migration.jpg




Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (6.842)
Seleucid + Roman (7.685)
Hellenic Roman (11.51)
Seleucid (13.07)
Roman (14.66)



bronze age
https://i.imgur.com/XNKSHuy.png



iron age
https://i.imgur.com/4ZdRlAR.png
Previous (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#carousel-map-1)



but i still close by total autosomal to hellenic romans

https://i.imgur.com/xN0scd1.png





I don't know where you're getting this stuff but there are some WHOPPING errors in it.

Sicily was NOT originally populated by Phoenicians. There were a couple of Phoenician settlements in the northwestern tip of Sicily. Later on, Sicily, like Spain and other areas, was conquered by the Carthaginians whom the Romans eventually kicked out. There is no indication of widespread Carthaginian settlement, just lots of mercenaries from God knows where, like all mercenary armies, including that of Hannibal.

Leaked ancient dna indicates the Etruscans DID NOT come from Anatolia. Their closest genetic relatives are North Italians, Spanish and perhaps southern French.

kingjohn
07-07-19, 19:31
i think the Hellenistic dude my true ancestry use is kit :

KY5050046

MA_ 2197 from this paper
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2018/05/08/science.aar7711.DC1?_ga=2.29446399.1555091691.1562 518884-1176882268.1562518884

in gedmatch eurogenes k13 he cluster with greek thesally that is inline with mainland greek origin or macedonian greek
the distance is huge but the most close modern population is mainland north greek

Kit Num: KY5050046
Threshold of components set to 1.000
Threshold of method set to 0.25%
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: [email protected]
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):



#
Population
Percent


1
West_Med
36.32


2
East_Med
19.32


3
Baltic
16.88


4
North_Atlantic
15.23


5
West_Asian
8.90


6
Amerindian
2.36




Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 18.074099

Archetype0ne
07-07-19, 19:53
I don't know where you're getting this stuff but there are some WHOPPING errors in it.

Sicily was NOT originally populated by Phoenicians. There were a couple of Phoenician settlements in the northwestern tip of Sicily. Later on, Sicily, like Spain and other areas, was conquered by the Carthaginians whom the Romans eventually kicked out. There is no indication of widespread Carthaginian settlement, just lots of mercenaries from God knows where, like all mercenary armies, including that of Hannibal.

Leaked ancient dna indicates the Etruscans DID NOT come from Anatolia. Their closest genetic relatives are North Italians, Spanish and perhaps southern French.

Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.

Pax Augusta
07-07-19, 20:48
Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.

We have this PCA, from an academic paper. Any connection between the ruling class in Etruria and BA Anatolians is unproven and not supported by archeology.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1rfyRUeQKSE/VUp1FtC48DI/AAAAAAAAKE0/aprJv89-94k/s1600/etruscans.jpg

Swedish Neolitich (Skoglund et al. 2012)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rl1bw36vh5E/T5WCj36-KyI/AAAAAAAAEyQ/IgbXJAn3FPo/s1600/skoglund.png

Angela
07-07-19, 22:28
Could I please see this study? Cause I am very curious and at the same time skeptical. At least the ruling class in Etruria had some connection with BA Anatolians. I am not denying them being closest to North Italians, Spanish and French however.

Pax has provided you with a PCA which has been known about for a few years, but the paper wasn't published.

However, the leak I was talking about is from a soon to be published paper with some Etruscan and Ancient Roman samples. As I said above, the leak says they are North Italian like, North Spanish like, perhaps Southern French like. They're not Anatolian like or even Greek like.

For complete certainty we obviously have to wait to see the paper, but the leaks are very detailed.

As to the elite, at least, being from the Aegean or western Anatolia, to my knowledge all the Etruscan samples are from "elite" graves. That's how we know they're Etruscans: there are grave goods like pots, statuary, etc. or even sarcophagi and wall paintings.

So, if these elite Etruscans are North Italian like, they didn't immigrate from western Anatolia, which is what archaeologists have been insisting upon forever.

See: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37513-Population-structure-in-Italy-using-ancient-and-modern-samples/page8?highlight=Etruscan+samples

Go to page 8 and start with post number 188. That begins the discussion of the upcoming paper with a copy of the new PCA from it. The Etruscans are the purple squares. They plot near the more steppe admixed Parma Beaker sample, which is close to people like Extremadura Spanish samples, i.e. Southern Spanish. When superimposed on the modern map, a few look Iberian, some Northern Italian, one maybe French. We need more than a PCA to be sure, but they certainly didn't come from Anatolia or even Greece for that matter.

Take a look at post 232 as well.

matty74
08-07-19, 02:13
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Pict (670 AD) (4.452) - CL83 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (5.104) - CL92 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) (5.469) - I5383 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) (5.472) - I2097 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) (5.603) - I2452 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (5.941) - SZ15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Celtic Briton (0 AD) (6.126) - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) (6.271) - I1767 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) (6.764) - VDP-A6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (6.875) - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) (7.22) - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (7.239) - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) (7.271) - I2981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (7.332) - SSJ-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) (7.539) - I3875 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.546) - SZ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.637) - CL146 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (7.64) - SZ14 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (7.732) - KNS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) (7.778) - I2568 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (7.847) - CL145 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
22. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (7.95) - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
23. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.037) - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
24. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (8.04) - CL84 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
25. Alemannic Bavaria (465 AD) (8.084) - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
26. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.11) - ORE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
27. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.12) - SZ4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
28. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) (8.14) - Rathlin2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.148) - 97029 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
30. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) (8.208) - Shohola (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
31. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (8.313) - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
32. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) (8.349) - KOV-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
33. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) (8.39) - I5367 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
34. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (8.479) - GTE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
35. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) (8.512) - GRS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
36. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) (8.569) - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
37. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) (8.625) - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
38. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.754) - stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
39. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (8.781) - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
40. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.802) - SZ7 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
41. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (8.831) - 84035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
42. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (8.85) - SZ22 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
43. Celtic Briton (70 BC) (8.853) - Hinxton 1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
44. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) (8.864) - DKS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
45. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (8.935) - Sigtuna stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (8.941) - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
47. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) (9.008) - ALH_10 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
48. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) (9.023) - I3255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
49. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) (9.094) - 97002 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
50. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.114) - SZ8 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
51. Gaelic Child Viking Iceland (935 AD) (9.372) - YGS-B2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
52. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) (9.485) - SZ38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
53. Czech Velke Prilepy (0 AD) (9.594) - Rise577 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
54. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) (9.598) - SSG-A4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
55. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) (9.62) - I0112 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
56. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) (9.788) - Hinxton HS1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
57. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (9.908) - I12162 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
58. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) (9.91) - SZ9 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
59. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) (9.952) - Rise61 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
60. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) (10.13) - CL93 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Archetype0ne
08-07-19, 08:38
Pax has provided you with a PCA which has been known about for a few years, but the paper wasn't published.

However, the leak I was talking about is from a soon to be published paper with some Etruscan and Ancient Roman samples. As I said above, the leak says they are North Italian like, North Spanish like, perhaps Southern French like. They're not Anatolian like or even Greek like.

For complete certainty we obviously have to wait to see the paper, but the leaks are very detailed.

As to the elite, at least, being from the Aegean or western Anatolia, to my knowledge all the Etruscan samples are from "elite" graves. That's how we know they're Etruscans: there are grave goods like pots, statuary, etc. or even sarcophagi and wall paintings.

So, if these elite Etruscans are North Italian like, they didn't immigrate from western Anatolia, which is what archaeologists have been insisting upon forever.

See: https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/37513-Population-structure-in-Italy-using-ancient-and-modern-samples/page8?highlight=Etruscan+samples

Go to page 8 and start with post number 188. That begins the discussion of the upcoming paper with a copy of the new PCA from it. The Etruscans are the purple squares. They plot near the more steppe admixed Parma Beaker sample, which is close to people like Extremadura Spanish samples, i.e. Southern Spanish. When superimposed on the modern map, a few look Iberian, some Northern Italian, one maybe French. We need more than a PCA to be sure, but they certainly didn't come from Anatolia or even Greece for that matter.

Take a look at post 232 as well.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

Salento
08-07-19, 22:37
Roca (archaeological site)
Mycenaeans, Messapi, ...

University of Salento, ... some of the best-preserved monumental architecture of the Bronze Age (2nd millennium BC) in Southern Italy, along with the largest set of Mycenaean pottery ever recovered west of mainland Greece.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roca_(archaeological_site)

Mycenaean Era

https://i.imgur.com/DoGagZD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/q5ylWtW.jpg



Northern Gate of the Messapic Walls

https://i.imgur.com/rFVWVDS.jpg



XVI Century Horse SPA :)

https://i.imgur.com/7903dNn.jpg



Difensive Towers (Old and New)

https://i.imgur.com/7VBndmN.jpg

torzio
08-07-19, 23:58
I find it interesting that in the site under north-italian........it states closest is alsace, in france then portugal then galicia spain

kingjohn
09-07-19, 01:03
Angela I quate my true ancestery site
This there description not mine ...

Angela
09-07-19, 05:49
Angela I quate my true ancestery site
This there description not mine ...

Well, that's a shocker. I thought they were better informed than that, since they claim all this academic expertise. I don't expect much historical knowledge from population geneticists, but nobody told them about the upcoming paper on the Etruscans?

Someone should give them a head's up. It sounds like history via theapricity.

I take that back. It's not a shocker. A lot of their original descriptions for the ancient samples were completely misleading. It was only when we complained about it here that they started cleaning that up.

I also think they owe people the explanation that some of these "similarities" with ancient samples, i.e. the genetic distances, are HUGE.

Joker
10-07-19, 17:44
https://i.ibb.co/mJ6txQF/1.png

https://i.ibb.co/qNWtV0R/2.png

https://i.ibb.co/DRG1bbP/3.png

https://i.ibb.co/qshKyHP/4.png

https://i.ibb.co/SRQDMLd/5.png

leperrine
10-07-19, 20:23
unlocked my results. I'm a J-L70 Celtic Viking! https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66404411_10157359815232378_3111786904979243008_o.j pg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQmTodC_4ZSZ52VMu64PRvFLZyV7TC40KPKcAMP8ZOu dPa5noJU4DIw4ESbyGAy1yUU&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=1222228e589dc6e12bbfcf71f9d0e030&oe=5DC2F622

Jovialis
10-07-19, 21:29
Below I've taken screen shots of the seven samples I match first with on Mytrueancestry, compared to my own results, using Dodecad K12b


1. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) (8.423) - SZ40
2. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) (10.28) - CL38
3. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) (11.21) - CL121
4. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) (12.02) - CL30
5. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) (12.48) - CL25
6. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) (13.58) - SZ19
7. Central Roman (590 AD) (14.03) - SZ36
8. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.4) - I9033
9. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (14.49) - I9041
10. Mycenaean (1350 BC) (15.17) - I9006
11. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.2) - SZ43
12. Ostrogoth Crimea (300 AD) (15.25) - Ker1
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (15.84) - SZ32


https://i.imgur.com/Fal3oJj.png
https://i.imgur.com/P6WhWey.png
https://i.imgur.com/2cvqBn6.png
https://i.imgur.com/gZl53w6.png
https://i.imgur.com/lbxgG3g.png
https://i.imgur.com/aNGySwk.png
https://i.imgur.com/t1pA0qf.png
https://i.imgur.com/I10pmSZ.png



Posted this in another thread, but it is relevant here as well.

Angela
11-07-19, 01:40
Posted this in another thread, but it is relevant here as well.

Thanks for sharing. Can't believe they still haven't corrected the description for the Crimean Ostrogoth sample to indicate that genetically he's Eastern Greek like.

Does show how inclusive the Goths were, however, compared to the Langobards, for example. He was the "big" chief, wonderful burial goods.

italouruguayan
11-07-19, 04:02
Although my non-European component is 21%, I still see the coincidences with the main components of my first match. CL36 ...

https://imgur.com/ertIhOOhttps://imgur.com/HWKXX8l

Jovialis
11-07-19, 04:27
Ashkelon Samples have been added:

https://i.imgur.com/xxTVvsd.png

Jovialis
11-07-19, 13:11
Ashkelon Samples have been added:
https://i.imgur.com/xxTVvsd.png
I think ultimately my connection to all of them further down the list is because of Anatolian Copper age, which I get as my 14th entry. Which seems relatively high considering it is in with more recent samples.

As well as later Greek and Italic influences, for ones that make sense for it.

Duarte
11-07-19, 14:21
I think ultimately my connection to all of them further down the list is because of Anatolian Copper age, which I get as my 14th entry. Which seems relatively high considering it is in with more recent samples.

As well as later Greek and Italic influences, for ones that make sense for it.

Hi, Jovialis.
Very interesting the inclusion of samples of philistines.
I know you're already aware of this, but MTA geneticists adopt more flexible distances for matches with old samples, and they themselves make a point of explaining:

https://i.imgur.com/W9HEvSD.png

And this is quite logical since very old samples with very small distances from modern individuals would be difficult to find.
In this sense I believe that their distances with the Philistines are quite reasonable, especially considering that the articles that have been published on the subject point to a great similarity of the philistine DNA with the DNA of ancient skeletons found in burials on the Greek island of Crete :)
A big hug.

Angela
11-07-19, 16:34
Hi, Jovialis.
Very interesting the inclusion of samples of philistines.
I know you're already aware of this, but MTA geneticists adopt more flexible distances for matches with old samples, and they themselves make a point of explaining:

https://i.imgur.com/W9HEvSD.png

And this is quite logical since very old samples with very small distances from modern individuals would be difficult to find.
In this sense I believe that their distances with the Philistines are quite reasonable, especially considering that the articles that have been published on the subject point to a great similarity of the philistine DNA with the DNA of ancient skeletons found in burials on the Greek island of Crete :)
A big hug.

Well, not to be a naysayer, Duarte, but my top matches are to two Szolad "Central Romans" : 3.4 and 4.6. That's closer than I get on calculators to any modern Italian populations. All of my top ten matches are under 10, and the next ten are between 11 and 13. I don't pay much attention to the rest. It shows broad similar ancient ancestry in my opinion, but not much more than that.

Duarte
11-07-19, 17:41
Well, not to be a naysayer, Duarte, but my top matches are to two Szolad "Central Romans" : 3.4 and 4.6. That's closer than I get on calculators to any modern Italian populations. All of my top ten matches are under 10, and the next ten are between 11 and 13. I don't pay much attention to the rest. It shows broad similar ancient ancestry in my opinion, but not much more than that.

I do not disagree with your reasoning, Angela. You always bring reason and balance when it seems that a particular theme on a thread is drifting off course. You always bring the shock of reality that, in my understanding, is very important. In fact, as you pointed, small distances mean close proximity. From 1 to 4 my matches have distances less than 10, and these matches seems logical to me, and from 5 to 17, my matches have distances less than 13. Except for matches with Dalmatian Illyrians (2x), Scythians from Moldova (2x) and Thracians from Bulgaria (1x), which seems to me very strange, - all these last three inferiors to distance of 13 and superiors to distance of 10, the other matches, even the superior ones to the distance of 13, seems logical to me. I believe that, in fact, matches with great distances have a great bias of inaccuracy, but can count as a reference to be considered, in the absence of closer samples. In this respect, those with northern parentage benefit from a higher number of samples that also have a better level of quality due to the preservation of DNA because of the colder climate. It is visible that all those with North-European ancestry have distances that are less than 13 until the proximity of the sample of number 60.
Thanks and a big hug :)

Carlos
11-07-19, 17:55
So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

By the way I have a new one
93. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) (24.71) - TSK-A26

Wheal
11-07-19, 18:30
11185
Longobards?!!

Duarte
11-07-19, 18:30
So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

By the way I have a new one
93. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) (24.71) - TSK-A26
Hello Carlos. I understand that the complete knowledge of the Y-DNA tree is an excellent auxiliary tool for anyone who has already done auDNA. It is very interesting to know your deep Y-DNA and in what regions it is more frequent. The price is salty, but if you're willing to pay, I think it's worth it. Hugs:)


https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare

https://i.imgur.com/Kn0w22m.jpg

Wheal
11-07-19, 19:06
11186

I thought this was quite interesting for my father-in-law.

Regio X
11-07-19, 21:04
So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

By the way I have a new one
93. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) (24.71) - TSK-A26 Carlos, BigY700 tests just your Y chromosome.

Jovialis
11-07-19, 21:56
Well, not to be a naysayer, Duarte, but my top matches are to two Szolad "Central Romans" : 3.4 and 4.6. That's closer than I get on calculators to any modern Italian populations. All of my top ten matches are under 10, and the next ten are between 11 and 13. I don't pay much attention to the rest. It shows broad similar ancient ancestry in my opinion, but not much more than that.

I think for me, the SZ40 sample would be the most salient in regards to my ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/Fal3oJj.png https://i.imgur.com/P6WhWey.png

Nevertheless, it is only at (8.423)

However, I score a better fit when it is combined with a "Central Roman":

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.803)

I think if they used Ancient samples from a region closer to mine, I would get better fit.

Carlos
11-07-19, 22:07
Carlos, BigY700 tests just your Y chromosome.

Yes I know, that's where I come from, but I think it will be even more complete and with more markers than the 67 test.

Jovialis
11-07-19, 22:57
I think for me, the SZ40 sample would be the most salient in regards to my ancestry.

https://i.imgur.com/Fal3oJj.png https://i.imgur.com/P6WhWey.png

Nevertheless, it is only at (8.423)

However, I score a better fit when it is combined with a "Central Roman":

Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.803)

I think if they used Ancient samples from a region closer to mine, I would get better fit.


Come to think of it, "Hellenic Roman + Roman", is a better fit than what I get with Italian populations on Gedmatch.



#
Population (source)
Distance


1
C_Italian (Dodecad)
6.78


2
S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)
6.85


3
Sicilian (Dodecad)
7.04


4
Greek (Dodecad)
7.18


5
O_Italian (Dodecad)
8.24

Regio X
12-07-19, 01:46
Yes I know, that's where I come from, but I think it will be even more complete and with more markers than the 67 test.I see. Notice that IBD sharing and matching, in MTA, use Autosomal + X, so BigY700 would not make any difference here.
Companies don't use Y for it, generally, because it doesn't recombine. Y matches are in separated tools.
I mean, there is crossing over between Y and X, but it's limited to the pseudoautosomal regions PAR1 and PAR2, with abt. 30 genes so far. So, for example, a female can inherit, yes, an allele from the Y of her father, but just from those specific little regions.

Anyway, BigY700 is a nice test, of course. It's great to help in the Y phylogenetic tree building. No comparison with a Y67. The only "problem" is the price, je je je.


So Duarte do you think that with a Big Y 700 file would obtain better results for example for these old samples and in general?

Duarte
12-07-19, 14:36
Top 60 MTA ancient samples - New list.
Inside (new):
22. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) (14.59) - I4556
out:
60. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) (21.0)
The last ancient sample of Top 60 list now is:
60. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) (20.99) - I12162

https://i.imgur.com/WLPLjW4.png

Angela
12-07-19, 14:59
I do not disagree with your reasoning, Angela. You always bring reason and balance when it seems that a particular theme on a thread is drifting off course. You always bring the shock of reality that, in my understanding, is very important. In fact, as you pointed, small distances mean close proximity. From 1 to 4 my matches have distances less than 10, and these matches seems logical to me, and from 5 to 17, my matches have distances less than 13. Except for matches with Dalmatian Illyrians (2x), Scythians from Moldova (2x) and Thracians from Bulgaria (1x), which seems to me very strange, - all these last three inferiors to distance of 13 and superiors to distance of 10, the other matches, even the superior ones to the distance of 13, seems logical to me. I believe that, in fact, matches with great distances have a great bias of inaccuracy, but can count as a reference to be considered, in the absence of closer samples. In this respect, those with northern parentage benefit from a higher number of samples that also have a better level of quality due to the preservation of DNA because of the colder climate. It is visible that all those with North-European ancestry have distances that are less than 13 until the proximity of the sample of number 60.
Thanks and a big hug :)

I think that northern Europeans have more matches that are "close" in genetic distance partly because of, as you say the better "quality" of the ancient samples due to the climate, but also because they have been subject to less migration since the Bronze Age.

I also want to thank you for the kind words. Coming from someone I respect they mean a great deal.

Jovialis
12-07-19, 20:18
https://i.imgur.com/ciPb3s1.png

Here is a PCA I made using my first 15 matches. However, I am missing MA2208, I couldn't find the Gedmatch kit for it anywhere. Some of them seem off, like SZ19. But I triple-checked to see if it was correctly done. That one is supposed to cluster near CL30, CL25, and CL38:

https://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.png

Salento
12-07-19, 20:52
https://i.imgur.com/ciPb3s1.png

Here is a PCA I made using my first 15 matches. However, I am missing MA2208, I couldn't the Gedmatch kit for it anywhere. Some of them seem off, like SZ19. But I triple-checked to see if it was correctly done. That one is supposed to cluster near CL30, CL25, and CL38:

https://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.png
Posts 92 and 93 @:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/33493-Post-your-aDNA-K15-map!/page4?p=580199&viewfull=1#post580199

torzio
12-07-19, 22:05
My new numbers ( under 10.0 ) below, where do I get the gedmatch numbers for the ancient samples so I can place them on the K15 map




Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) SZ28 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) CL23 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.971) I3313 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) SZ36 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) CL36 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

RagnarofMacedon
13-07-19, 14:47
https://imgur.com/a/doYzoyg
Can someone tell me what means that first from My Ancestral timeline.

Jovialis
13-07-19, 14:57
Excellent new feature allows you to adjust the samples being shown. I put it for 10 of the best samples for goodness of fit.

http://i.imgur.com/AGiijHa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xlkPcRo.jpg

This will be useful for weeding out samples that only have distant relationships with common source populations.

Carlos
13-07-19, 15:13
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WkrpMtqorF4/XSnYNRRsYwI/AAAAAAAAA-s/ThwC8ehd-6k_XnBLlOuK3QjUsUZQ0QYzwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main10SAMPLES.jpg

Yes, is cool. I have been criticized for spending money on these things but I do not care, I am not responsible for the hunger in the world and I imagine that the creators also needed to eat hot every day. I have also been accused of being Indo-European and Visigoth but I do not care, I do what I want.

Jovialis
13-07-19, 15:19
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WkrpMtqorF4/XSnYNRRsYwI/AAAAAAAAA-s/ThwC8ehd-6k_XnBLlOuK3QjUsUZQ0QYzwCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_main10SAMPLES.jpg

Yes, is cool. I have been criticized for spending money on these things but I do not care, I am not responsible for the hunger in the world and I imagine that the creators also needed to eat hot every day. I have also been accused of being Indo-European and Visigoth but I do not care, I do what I want.

I can relate to that, this is what I like to splurge on as well. :)

Certainly, it is a better use of money, than people who waste away in a bar, or on drugs.

Joey37
13-07-19, 16:02
I got Iceland Vikings included in my most similar in the latest update. BJORK BJORK BJORK! Closest is still Visigoth and Frank mix, though.

Carlos
13-07-19, 17:37
Time line to 100 samples

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Z5_-HHdWQ5g/XSnLkki2qSI/AAAAAAAAA-A/lbhaYs1UxHk-A-45x2eerx-Stxsb4YxvACLcBGAs/s1600/timelineCOMPLETAZEUS.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G_2RCswra-c/XSnX34kZxGI/AAAAAAAAA-k/D-2blyXxSPkPeJjAP_e3uAmHSjStDVozwCLcBGAs/s1600/timelinezeusverticalbig.jpg

kingjohn
13-07-19, 20:41
mine after the update
ancient ancestry map :)

https://i.imgur.com/rjQ7kq1.png

Duarte
13-07-19, 22:01
Excellent new feature allows you to adjust the samples being shown. I put it for 10 of the best samples for goodness of fit.

http://i.imgur.com/AGiijHa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xlkPcRo.jpg

This will be useful for weeding out samples that only have distant relationships with common source populations.

Certainly a very nice tool. I loved it. Very cool the customization to only ten samples:

https://i.imgur.com/H0jS5wt.png

Jovialis
15-07-19, 05:54
Excellent new feature allows you to adjust the samples being shown. I put it for 10 of the best samples for goodness of fit.
http://i.imgur.com/AGiijHa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xlkPcRo.jpg

This will be useful for weeding out samples that only have distant relationships with common source populations.



https://i.imgur.com/3VdMfML.png

https://i.imgur.com/OonAWRb.png

It is interesting to adjust the time periods. It will show you samples that you would not see if you were to put it from across the entire time-span. Above are my relatively best samples from the Bronze-Age. It is difficult though, with the sliders to get the date exactly on the year you want, but close to it.

Jovialis
15-07-19, 06:06
Iron Age:

https://i.imgur.com/knBvLuQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/elby5eS.png

Duarte
15-07-19, 17:00
DNA Y: I am positive for haplogroup M405/U106/S21 - L47/S170.
https://i.imgur.com/tg30KA4.png
https://i.imgur.com/aB5eCub.png

https://i.imgur.com/2mQnDXb.png
https://i.imgur.com/7pL4W2I.png

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S263/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S499/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L47/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JvXoBCBBk42DIF7BYPaLsQ1jojN3etgDR8pByaTRnq4/edit#gid=1078904281

https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp

https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-U106

Considering that I am a descendant Iberian, I believe that the guilty can only be a man of this tribe::thinking:

https://i.imgur.com/R1FmgSw.png

Regio X
15-07-19, 17:38
DNA Y: I am positive for haplogroup M405/U106/S21 - L47/S170.
https://i.imgur.com/tg30KA4.png
https://i.imgur.com/aB5eCub.png
https://i.imgur.com/2mQnDXb.png
https://i.imgur.com/7pL4W2I.png
https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S263/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S499/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L47/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JvXoBCBBk42DIF7BYPaLsQ1jojN3etgDR8pByaTRnq4/edit#gid=1078904281
https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp
https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-U106
Considering that I am a descendant Iberian, I believe that the guilty can only be a man of this tribe::thinking:
https://i.imgur.com/R1FmgSw.pngFellow Brazilian, not only. AFAIK, the Suebi influenced Portugal way more than Visigoths did, but who knows!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Suebi

And "a contingent of the Buri accompanied the Suebi in their invasion of the Iberian Peninsula and established themselves in Gallaecia (modern northern Portugal and Galicia) in the 5th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buri_tribe

Congrats for figuring out your clade, btw. :)

Joey37
15-07-19, 17:42
Hey, Visigoth Girona is one of my closest matches...but I am R1a, as was a number of Visigoths, given it is common in Scandinavia where they originated and in what is now Poland, where they lived for a few centuries.

Wheal
15-07-19, 18:38
11197 so these might be my father's ancestors?

italouruguayan
15-07-19, 18:59
DNA Y: I am positive for haplogroup M405/U106/S21 - L47/S170.
https://i.imgur.com/tg30KA4.png
https://i.imgur.com/aB5eCub.png

https://i.imgur.com/2mQnDXb.png
https://i.imgur.com/7pL4W2I.png

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S263/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S499/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L47/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JvXoBCBBk42DIF7BYPaLsQ1jojN3etgDR8pByaTRnq4/edit#gid=1078904281

https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp

https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-U106

Considering that I am a descendant Iberian, I believe that the guilty can only be a man of this tribe::thinking:

https://i.imgur.com/R1FmgSw.png

Welcome to the U 106 club!!!

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Duarte
15-07-19, 20:50
A
Fellow Brazilian, not only. AFAIK, the Suebi influenced Portugal way more than Visigoths did, but who knows!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_the_Suebi

And "a contingent of the Buri accompanied the Suebi in their invasion of the Iberian Peninsula and established themselves in Gallaecia (modern northern Portugal and Galicia) in the 5th century."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buri_tribe

Congrats for figuring out your clade, btw. :)


Hey, Visigoth Girona is one of my closest matches...but I am R1a, as was a number of Visigoths, given it is common in Scandinavia where they originated and in what is now Poland, where they lived for a few centuries.


11197 so these might be my father's ancestors?


Welcome to the U 106 club!!!

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Really cool. Thanks guys. :good_job::smile:

Duarte
16-07-19, 02:47
DNA Y: I am positive for haplogroup M405/U106/S21 - L47/S170.
https://i.imgur.com/tg30KA4.png
https://i.imgur.com/aB5eCub.png

https://i.imgur.com/2mQnDXb.png
https://i.imgur.com/7pL4W2I.png

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S263/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S499/

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L47/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JvXoBCBBk42DIF7BYPaLsQ1jojN3etgDR8pByaTRnq4/edit#gid=1078904281

https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp

https://yhrd.org/tools/branch/R1b-U106

Considering that I am a descendant Iberian, I believe that the guilty can only be a man of this tribe::thinking:

https://i.imgur.com/R1FmgSw.png

Analysis completed:
R1b - M405/U106/S21- L477
R-L477 (age: 1956 ybp)

https://i.imgur.com/UD2j2kW.png

https://i.imgur.com/xC6AY7O.png
https://i.imgur.com/kP58nCj.png
https://i.imgur.com/pRR4YZN.png
https://i.imgur.com/Qys6nSB.png
https://i.imgur.com/oNX9FYh.png
https://i.imgur.com/4z0qwpf.png

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L477/

Regio X
16-07-19, 04:16
@Duarte
Just now I saw the Raw Data per se. Apparently you're negative for U106, i.e., you don't belong to R1b-U106. You have to compare your result with the derived allele, not with the ancestral allele. For example, if the U106 mutation is C->T and your genotype is C (ancestral), then you're U106- (negative for it). If you had T (derived/alt), then you'd be U106+ (positive).
It seems you have C, meaning negative.
The same for the others SNPs listed.

RagnarofMacedon
16-07-19, 15:52
11200
Is this mean that Ancient Gotlander is my first Ancestor ? And Gotlander is viking/longobard?

11199

Duarte
16-07-19, 17:43
@Duarte
Just now I saw the Raw Data per se. Apparently you're negative for U106, i.e., you don't belong to R1b-U106. You have to compare your result with the derived allele, not with the ancestral allele. For example, if the U106 mutation is C->T and your genotype is C (ancestral), then you're U106- (negative for it). If you had T (derived/alt), then you'd be U106+ (positive).
It seems you have C, meaning negative.
The same for the others SNPs listed.

Dear Regio X.

I certainly respect your opinion considering that, through your posts, it's visible that you are a person who understands a lot about genetic phylogeny.


Below I post the data from my "Y" chromosome after migration to the current nomenclature used by ISOGG. The highlights in green or red were made by me. The R haplogroup markers identified with "+" I highlighted in green and the haplogroup markers identified with "_" I have highlighted in red:

https://i.imgur.com/hIexzNP.png



I remember that in the Excel worksheet with the original raw data, markers with two letters, such as "CC", "TT", "CT", are considered to be recognized. The markers whose the "letters" of the allele are "_ _" are not migrated, since they are considered "no call".


Following your understanding I could only be sure that I am R-L151 and could not conclude anything regarding the haplogroups that are under the R-L151.


However, alleles that do not have the "_ _" record in the raw data sheet have been all migrated and, from the reading of the technical notes in the figure below (given as an example), it is not possible to assert that the migrated alleles, identified after migration, with the signal "_" are "not identificated" or are "no call", and, because that, must be discarded from the analyses as, for example, U106-, IMHO:

https://i.imgur.com/TM5N7BA.png


Btw, thank you for your alert and your attention to the case. We are here to learn and, of course, I understand that your considerations very important.


Cheers and hugs :) :good_job::smile:

Regio X
16-07-19, 18:09
Dear Regio X.

I certainly respect your opinion considering that, through your posts, it's visible that you are a person who understands a lot about genetic phylogeny.


Below I post the data from my "Y" chromosome after migration to the current nomenclature used by ISOGG. The highlights in green or red were made by me. The R haplogroup markers identified with "+" I highlighted in green and the haplogroup markers identified with "_" I have highlighted in red:

https://i.imgur.com/hIexzNP.png



I remember that in the Excel worksheet with the original raw data, markers with two letters, such as "CC", "TT", "CT", are considered to be recognized. The markers whose the "letters" of the allele are "_ _" are not migrated, since they are considered "no call".


Following your understanding I could only be sure that I am R-L151 and could not conclude anything regarding the haplogroups that are under the R-L151.


However, alleles that do not have the "_ _" record in the raw data sheet have been all migrated and, from the reading of the technical notes in the figure below (given as an example), it is not possible to assert that the migrated alleles, identified after migration, with the signal "_" are "not identificated" or are "no call", and, because that, must be discarded from the analyses as, for example, U106-, IMHO:

https://i.imgur.com/TM5N7BA.png


Btw, thank you for your alert and your attention to the case. We are here to learn and, of course, I understand that your considerations very important.


Cheers and hugs :) :good_job::smile:You're welcome! :)

The good calls are the homozygous. Results like "--" and "TC" may be ignored.

As for U106 (Build 37 position 8796078), well, not sure what you mean, but if your Raw Data shows your genotype for it is "CC", then you're confirmed "negative" (U106-), meaning you're NOT R1b-U106. The odds are you belong to R1b-P312, but just further tests to be sure.

There are already tools for it, but I took advantage of a sw I developed time ago and easily created a list to help those men who tested only in MyHeritage and wanna clues about the Y haplogroup to which they belong.

I'll consider firstly just the most common haplogroups in Europe: R1b, R1a, I, J, E, G, T...

The equivalences may be checked in ISOGG 2019 Y-DNA trees:
https://isogg.org/tree/

Subgroup name --->
SNP / Build 37 Number / Derived allele (needed to be positive)

---------------------------------------------

R1b --->
PF6255 : 14273103 : G
YSC0000075 : 7960019 : A
L506 : 21995972 : A
CTS2134 : 14193384 : A

R1b1a1b1a1 --->
P310 : 18907236 : C
(Duarte, P310 is an equivalent of L52, not of L151)

R1b1a1b1a1a1 --->
U106 : 8796078 : T

---------------------------------------------

R1a --->
L62 : 17891241 : G
L146 : 23473201 : A

---------------------------------------------

I --->
PF3649 : 8046731 : C
CTS2514 : 14337364 : C
M258 : 15023364 : C

I1 --->
L80 : 14640715 : G
Z2840 : 19563894 : C

I2a1 --->
L460 : 7879415 : C

---------------------------------------------

J1a2a1a2 --->
P58 : 14486667 : C

J2 --->
M172 : 14969634 : G

J2a1 --->
CTS7683 : 17614366 : A

J2a1a --->
F4326 : 23021978 : G

J2b2a --->
M241 : 15018459 : A

---------------------------------------------

E1b1 --->
M5404 : 7736744 : A
L492 : 15541126 : T
L613 : 9448625 : A
CTS6333 : 16824270 : C

E1b1b1b2a1a1 --->
L29 : 16936081 : T

---------------------------------------------

G --->
PF2952 : 14577177 : A
U21 : 15204710 : C

---------------------------------------------

T --->
M272 : 22738775 : G

T1a2 --->
L131 : 19372808 : T

---------------------------------------------

Q --->
F1237.1 : 8479245 : G
M242 : 15018582 : T

---------------------------------------------

N --->
F3373 : 22921768 : A

---------------------------------------------

L --->
M185 : 14904859 : T

--------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------

OTHERS

R : Y472 : 6868118 : A
R : YSC0000287 : 16615413 : T
R : Y506 : 21219443 : G
R1 : P225 : 15590342 : T
R1 : YSC0000288 : 16742224 : G
R1 : P238 : 7771131 : A
R1 : P233 : 21166358 : G
R1 : M781 : 21917832 : C

R1b1 : PF6271 : 23984056 : A
R1b1 : YSC0000224 : 21558298 : T
R1b1a1 : PF6498 : 21312064 : A
R1b1a1 : L502 : 19020340 : C
R1b1a1b : PF6485 : 18719565 : C
R1b1a1b : YSC0000225 : 21784286 : A
R1b1a1b : L483 : 8233186 : T
R1b1a1b : PF6265 : 21554468 : A
R1b1a1b : CTS329 : 2897433 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2a1 : M467 : 16839499 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1 : L47 : 22178569 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a : L46 : 19077409 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a : L525 : 14053205 : T
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1 : L237 : 15744642 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1 : L164 : 15701859 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1 : L45 : 15116138 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b1a1a1a : L493 : 15800326 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a2a1a1a1 : Z278 : 18167479 : G
R1b1a1b1a1a2c1a1a1a1a1 : M222 : 14902414 : A
R1b1a1b1a1a2d : L238 : 21253443 : G

I1a1a1a1a2a1 : M72 : 21894407 : G

I2a1a1a : M26 : 21865821 : A
I2a1b : L35 : 22725379 : A
I2a1b1 : P221 : 8353707 : A
I2a1b1a1a1a : L137.1 : 9791250 : A
I2a1b2a : L38 : 15668070 : G
I2a1b2a : L39 : 16199051 : C

J2a1a1a2a2b : M322 : 15469740 : A

E : P169 : 22918577 : T
E : P171 : 23443971 : T
E : P173 : 6995523 : G
E : L511 : 23059591 : A
E : PF1788 : 19500107 : T
E : M5406 : 7913358 : A
E (Notes) : M107 : 21931638 : G
E (Notes) : M66 : 21881573 : C

E1a : M132 : 21896261 : T
E1b1a1 : CTS6180 : 16713318 : T
E1b1a1 : CTS5964 : 16578072 : C
E1b1a1 : M4745 : 8165984 : G
E1b1a1 : CTS3105 : 14666569 : T
E1b1a1 : CTS6471 : 16922783 : C
E1b1a1 : CTS11729 : 23241047 : A
E1b1a1a1a1c : L485 : 8852858 : T
E1b1a1a1a1c1 : L514 : 14636457 : T
E1b1a1a1a1c1a1 : M191 : 15019613 : G
E1b1a1a1a1c1b : L516 : 19105726 : C
E1b1a1a1a1c1b : L517 : 21593470 : G
E1b1a1a1a1c1b1 : Z1894 : 14887218 : T
E1b1a1a1a2a : U175 : 16253694 : A
E1b1a1a1a2a1 : P277 : 15579215 : G
E1b1a1a1a2a1 : M4254 : 21541514 : A
E1b1a1a1a2a1 : P278.1 : 8467053 : A
E1b1a1a1a2a1a3a1e : L477 : 2867288 : C

G2a2b1a1a : L14 : 22917995 : T
G2a2b2a1a1a1 : L78 : 14871976 : T
G2a2b2a1a1b1a1a1a1b : YSC0000033 : 17353144 : T
G2a2b2a2 : M278 : 15022465 : C
G2b1a : M283 : 15031385 : G

Q1b : L56 : 8148869 : A
Q1b : L57 : 15574102 : A
Q1b1 : L55 : 19413335 : A
Q1b1a : L54 : 23292782 : A
Q1b1a1a : M3 : 19096363 : A
Q1b1a1a1b : M194 : 15014550 : C

--------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------

AND SOME MORE

D1b1a2 : CTS107 : 2731887 : T

DE : M145 : 21717208 : T
DE : CTS3334 : 14842223 : T
DE : F3170.1 : 21306315 : A

F : F2155 : 16401339 : T
F : P148 : 19349615 : T
F : P166 : 17256018 : T
F : P145 : 8424089 : A
F : M89 : 21917313 : T
F : F719 : 2722506 : A
F : F3136 : 21147336 : C
F : M3638 : 2863665 : G
F : L132.1 : 17464197 : C
F : P141 : 6941218 : A
F : P160 : 8474189 : C
F : CTS3654 : 15095345 : G
F : F2402 : 17152659 : C
F : P159 : 18097251 : A
F : CTS4443 : 15651438 : T
F : F2837 : 18765649 : C
F : F1753 : 14294504 : G
F : F3111 : 21080707 : G
F : F1714 : 14171665 : T
F : F2048 : 15955432 : T
F : F1704 : 14149772 : T

H1a1b1a : Page75 : 6938119 : A

IJ : F4281 : 19166861 : C
IJ : YSC0001311 : 18633084 : A
IJ : P127 : 8590752 : T
IJK : L15 : 6753519 : G
IJK : L16 : 7173143 : A

K : P128 : 20837553 : T
K : P132 : 8679843 : T
K : P131 : 15472863 : T
K2 : M526 : 23550924 : C
K2b : M1221 : 16222561 : T

L1b2a : M274 : 22737801 : T

M1 : M189 : 14945705 : T
M1 : M5 : 21609946 : T
M1a2a1 : F2561 : 17678803 : A

O : P186 : 7568568 : A
O : P196 : 15754313 : A
O1b2 : M176 : 2655180 : A
O1b2a2 : Page90 : 14968449 : G
O2 : P198 : 17053771 : T
O2a1b1a1a1a1 : F526 : 19171953 : G
O2a2 : IMS-JST021354 : 2828196 : C
O2a2b : P164 : 14001232 : G

P or K2b2 : F536 : 19315988 : T
P or K2b2 : P295 : 7963031 : G
P1 or K2b2a : P237 : 8334875 : G

Duarte
16-07-19, 20:38
Subgroup name --->
SNP / Build 37 Number / Derived allele (needed to be positive)

---------------------------------------------

R1b --->
PF6255 : 14273103 : G
YSC0000075 : 7960019 : A
L506 : 21995972 : A
CTS2134 : 14193384 : A

R1b1a1b1a1 --->
P310 : 18907236 : C
(Duarte, P310 is an equivalent of L52, not of L151)


https://i.imgur.com/Tt5orIs.png

https://i.imgur.com/nxCJliu.png

https://i.imgur.com/EOHTKUO.png

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L52/

I am subgroup R1b1a1b1a1, SNP P310/PF6546/S129, homozygous "C" ("CC", ie, derived allele "C"), position hg37 "18907236".


To know which subgroups are under the R1b1a1b1a1 I would have to do the Y-Full examination of the FTDNA. You're right.


As the price is impractical, it will stay for later.

I'm glad to know I'm R-L52. That's enough for now.


Thanks and that God bless you for the help. :) :good_job::smile:

Regio X
17-07-19, 01:30
https://i.imgur.com/Tt5orIs.png

https://i.imgur.com/nxCJliu.png

https://i.imgur.com/EOHTKUO.png

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L52/

I am subgroup R1b1a1b1a1, SNP P310/PF6546/S129, homozygous "C" ("CC", ie, derived allele "C"), position hg37 "18907236".


To know which subgroups are under the R1b1a1b1a1 I would have to do the Y-Full examination of the FTDNA. You're right.


As the price is impractical, it will stay for later.

I'm glad to know I'm R-L52. That's enough for now.


Thanks and that God bless you for the help. :) :good_job::smile:My pleasure! :)

Notice that, in fact, YFull analysis is very good, but it's not mandatory. Tests like BigY (expensive), SNP Packs in FTDNA or Panels in YSEQ, cheaper options, would already place you deeper in the phylogenetic tree. So you have alternatives.


As for U106 (Build 37 position 8796078), well, not sure what you mean, but if your Raw Data shows your genotype for it is "CC", then you're confirmed "negative" (U106-), meaning you're NOT R1b-U106. The odds are you belong to R1b-P312, but just further tests to be sure.The only way to be R1b-U106 with U106- is a "back mutation", proved by being positive for SNPs downstream, but the chances tend to zero, hence my emphasis.

Wheal
17-07-19, 16:17
It appears that the most ancient that you share dna with is Western Pomerania Unetice, 2.6 cM.

The next is Scythian, 19.91 cM.

Look at the yellow lines to see which you share dna, you can widen the distance between each population by lowering the number of samples, and narrow the years of search to spread it out over a larger area.

Duarte
17-07-19, 17:14
11200
Is this mean that Ancient Gotlander is my first Ancestor ? And Gotlander is viking/longobard?

11199

Hello RagnarofMacedon,

Hello . I'm just repositioning this answer to your question, answer elaborated by the member Wheal, so that it stays along with your question.
A big hug.


It appears that the most ancient that you share dna with is Western Pomerania Unetice, 2.6 cM.

The next is Scythian, 19.91 cM.

Look at the yellow lines to see which you share dna, you can widen the distance between each population by lowering the number of samples, and narrow the years of search to spread it out over a larger area.

Wheal
19-07-19, 16:35
Thank you @Duarte, I sometimes don't think to do the quote thing..

RagnarofMacedon
20-07-19, 01:33
Hello RagnarofMacedon,

Hello . I'm just repositioning this answer to your question, answer elaborated by the member Wheal, so that it stays along with your question.
A big hug.


Hey thanks man @Wheal @Duarte

11209

Here's only 5 samples from antique i have illyrian ,thracian ,scyntian,ancient egyptian , on gedmatch i share with illyrian and thracian dna , here not showing...Can you tell me that lines red,yellow,blue all have different meaning ?

Duarte
20-07-19, 04:51
MTA - New features, new samples and new results.

https://i.imgur.com/XJTcZDc.png
https://i.imgur.com/uBJjr3A.png
https://i.imgur.com/X9DlpcT.png
https://i.imgur.com/ltnToMs.png
https://i.imgur.com/xYKazwE.png
https://i.imgur.com/Y50xtUm.png
https://i.imgur.com/yaDKALL.png
https://i.imgur.com/uZMdROp.png
https://i.imgur.com/TqwmDY3.png

Duarte
20-07-19, 05:18
Hey thanks man @Wheal @Duarte

11209

Here's only 5 samples from antique i have illyrian ,thracian ,scyntian,ancient egyptian , on gedmatch i share with illyrian and thracian dna , here not showing...Can you tell me that lines red,yellow,blue all have different meaning ?

@RagnarofMacedon:

https://i.imgur.com/JwxdXAD.png

eg0tr1p
20-07-19, 12:41
My fathers;
Gallo-RomanRomanIllyrian

Gallo-Roman + Roman (7.418)
Roman + Illyrian (7.891)
Roman (8.863)
Gallo-Roman (9.141)
Illyrian (9.53)

My results;
Gallo-RomanIllyrianScythian

Gallo-Roman + Illyrian (8.989)
Gallo-Roman + Scythian (9.862)
Gallo-Roman (10.032)
Illyrian (12.332)
Scythian (13.151)

My mother is half Serbian but she is not tested :D refusing , considered this things nonsense "We all need to love eachother" wtf...

Jovialis
20-07-19, 12:59
New PCAs from Mytrueancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/uWOGskU.png
https://i.imgur.com/00qAAIh.png

Angela
20-07-19, 16:20
Well, they have me landing right on top of CL36. Again, that sample was buried near that area (Collegno) in Piemonte but is from a later period, not the Langobard cemetery, and according to Eurogenes programs he's between a Bergamo type and a Tuscan type. That, by the way, is also what I am. :)

So, from at least the 8th century AD, if I remember the dating correctly, there were people just like me living in Piemonte, and, I would think, much of Italy north of Rome. Oh, and 23andme tells me that my closest modern region is Emilia. So, it all fits.

Stuvanè
20-07-19, 17:06
Ditto :)


https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=41oe6cs6e5&s=pcas

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=41oe6cs6e5&s=pcamhttps://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67081603_768873973544402_5220444783062810624_n.png ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmEoxNi9yUM4cKATFqA61tZ1YwJ1oG4ZD1kbgB0A9b QLsnoEah5BNop8XqLRbxY1M0&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=3d7b8bb8bcbb97667fc2c30dfdf1375a&oe=5DE925A0

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67389609_491920248224259_1200045975972872192_n.png ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlu-MpLStcCiPXVUl7LgNcrHoTEBGxBXAePZH10vXAwNK75IDQRZgU nmcN6bpRQKAc&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=93221c206a02996794cb5d33e303fe94&oe=5DBACE6C

Besa
20-07-19, 18:16
https://i.imgur.com/cXjdbnI.png

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=n7deezmn8z&s=pcas
Modern
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=n7deezmn8z&s=pcam

brick
20-07-19, 18:21
New PCAs from Mytrueancestry:


https://i.imgur.com/00qAAIh.png


This PCA does not make much sense, there are many populations out of position, see the Maltese, but also others. It looks like a badly made amateur PCA of Eurogenes K15 or Eurogenes K13.

torzio
20-07-19, 19:50
my ancient plot below

https://i.postimg.cc/DzHtYwFR/ancient-plot.png (https://postimages.org/)

Gabriele Pashaj
20-07-19, 19:53
This is mine11216

Jovialis
20-07-19, 20:51
http://i.imgur.com/PYoECdS.jpg
10 vs 10
Positions will change for modern samples according to the samples used.
In regards to the ancient samples, it seems pretty consistent.
Though I should mention, in the PCA from the study, the most southern samples still encompassed southern Italians.
http://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.jpg
Also Mycenean samples plot with Sicilians on the Lazaridis PCA.

At any rate, ancient samples are a far better approximation, than modern ones.

Besa
20-07-19, 21:09
PCA MAP I posted doesn't show .... weird ... here again



https://i.imgur.com/WHp3Wvd.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/B560v3b.jpg

Jovialis
20-07-19, 22:32
http://i.imgur.com/PYoECdS.jpg
10 vs 10
Positions will change for modern samples according to the samples used.
In regards to the ancient samples, it seems pretty consistent.
Though I should mention, in the PCA from the study, the most southern samples still encompassed southern Italians.
http://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.jpg
Also Mycenean samples plot with Sicilians on the Lazaridis PCA.

At any rate, ancient samples are a far better approximation, than modern ones.

I wonder if the ancient DNA will show that the Greeks of Magna Graecia were similar to these Cretan-like Imperial Roman samples. While the populations that settled there during the Roman-era, and Middle Ages were similar to the central Italian-like, and/or Tuscan-like, and/or North Italian-like populations, who intermixed with them to create the north-south genetic-cline.

https://i.imgur.com/1xzMbEz.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/wEB9YWY.png

RagnarofMacedon
21-07-19, 01:49
11219
11220
Mine

brittney.smith
21-07-19, 11:27
The "Roman" samples from 670 AD have to be the ones from the Langobard cemetery in Piemonte, who were very modern "southern" Italian like. The 570 AD samples are the non-Langobard samples from their settlement in modern day Hungary?

brick
21-07-19, 12:16
The "Roman" samples from 670 AD have to be the ones from the Langobard cemetery in Piemonte, who were very modern "southern" Italian like. The 570 AD samples are the non-Langobard samples from their settlement in modern day Hungary?

Nope, not all of them were very modern "southern" Italian like. Some of them were also Iberian like, Northern Italian like and Central Italian like.

https://i.imgur.com/kA73p4K.png

Jovialis
21-07-19, 12:57
Nope, not all of them were very modern "southern" Italian like. Some of them were also Iberian like, Northern Italian like and Central Italian like.
https://i.imgur.com/kA73p4K.png

The "southern" samples are even further south of the average south Italian; overlapping with Cretans. (Nevertheless, some south Italians are this south too.) Which is why I commented up-thread with my speculation that the Greeks of Magna Graecia where probably more cretan-like. That perhaps they were shifted "North" by those more "northernly" Italian sample during the Iron age, and middle ages, to where southern Italians are today. Though my guess is also that the most northern Italian like samples also had some extra "Northern" admixture from Gallic sources. All in all, the genetic cline existed in those days as well.

Salento
21-07-19, 15:27
Custom Default - Ancient and Modern - All at Once - Back to the Future :)


https://i.imgur.com/ur4cHeV.jpg

Angela
21-07-19, 18:12
The "Roman" samples from 670 AD have to be the ones from the Langobard cemetery in Piemonte, who were very modern "southern" Italian like. The 570 AD samples are the non-Langobard samples from their settlement in modern day Hungary?

That's not quite accurate, Brittney. My closest match among the Collegno samples is CL36, and is also my second highest match overall. On the Eurogenes gedmatch he comes out as "North Italian" if I remember correctly. On others he's a distant fit to Tuscans. He's actually Emilia like, and more than half my ancestry is Emilian, so it definitely fits.

Another of my closest matches is CL23 which they label Medieval Iberian, for some reason, but on their own PCA it lands on the Bergamo Northern Italian sample. So, northern Italian like, anyway. I get Gallo Roman as well.

They make a lot of errors like this. The CL23 sample may be somewhat like Medieval Iberians, but it's from Italy, and almost identical to northern Italians, so why is it labeled Iberian?

It's true I get a lot of matches to medieval Iberians, but at least the samples are from Iberia, so that's ok.

Also, I think there was always substructure even in the north, so I'll be interested to see samples from contemporaneous burials from other areas of Italy. They may mirror these results, or they may not.

By the way, Italians from further north than Emilia get matches to other Collegno samples.

It was a very detailed paper, but a lot of generalizations about the results are floating around which aren't supported by those details.

brick
21-07-19, 21:16
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy

https://i.imgur.com/7xI3bBu.jpg


PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary

https://i.imgur.com/Ot0ZIe5.jpg


PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples

https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

torzio
21-07-19, 23:44
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy
https://i.imgur.com/7xI3bBu.jpg
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary
https://i.imgur.com/Ot0ZIe5.jpg
PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples
https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg
Thankyou
I agree with these PCA plots
Below is mine from other "plotters"
Only the ones uner 10.00
SZ28......Trentino.....fonzaso
CL23......Lombardy east.....near lake Garda
I3313......Friuli Grado
SZ36.......Romagna Rimini
CL36.......Emilia....sussolo
Second name is closest town

Jovialis
22-07-19, 02:42
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy

https://i.imgur.com/7xI3bBu.jpg


PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary

https://i.imgur.com/Ot0ZIe5.jpg


PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples

https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

Interesting, for MyTrueAncestry, SZ40 is closest to me. Though, it doesn't have CL31 in my list of samples, which is very close to Puglia. Nevertheless, SZ40 is still relatively close. Which is consistent with this PCA. It was also my closest in the PCA for my Eurogenes K15 results.

Jovialis
22-07-19, 03:42
Interesting, for MyTrueAncestry, SZ40 is closest to me. Though, it doesn't have CL31 in my list of samples, which is very close to Puglia. Nevertheless, SZ40 is still relatively close. Which is consistent with this PCA. It was also my closest in the PCA for my Eurogenes K15 results.

I reviewed the sample CL31 in the paper, and there was a note that it was subject to high contamination. Which is probably why it wasn't included in MTA, I'm guessing. Also, it was that weird outlier, so it makes sense that it was highly contaminated.

Duarte
22-07-19, 04:02
My two first matches:

1. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) (6.899) - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.629) - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

MTA custom PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/C4k45Sy.png

Brick's PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/IPiEHz6.png

IMO, the data are quite consistent :smile:

Salento
22-07-19, 06:35
Interesting, for MyTrueAncestry, SZ40 is closest to me. Though, it doesn't have CL31 in my list of samples, which is very close to Puglia. Nevertheless, SZ40 is still relatively close. Which is consistent with this PCA. It was also my closest in the PCA for my Eurogenes K15 results.

In Roca Vecchia (Puglia) they found 17 burials from around the 4th ~ 8th Century AD, located behind the more ancient Messapic walls.

Some of these burials have been discovered ”Untouched” by archeologists.

Hope they test it ...


https://i.imgur.com/02gh7SK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/VFUec92.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/YF5vObb.jpg

matty74
22-07-19, 06:59
Your closest Ancient populations...

Viking Icelandic + Longobard (2.181)
Celt + Longobard (2.314)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (5.472)
Viking Icelandic (6.764)

matty74
22-07-19, 07:12
https://i.imgur.com/41tUA7f.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TLXoTii.jpg


Here are my plots according to Lukasz's site:

https://i.imgur.com/aNW5YiS.png

Jovialis
22-07-19, 12:03
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy
https://i.imgur.com/7xI3bBu.jpg
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary
https://i.imgur.com/Ot0ZIe5.jpg
PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples
https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

I wonder though, why do the modern South Italians plots fall north of CL30, CL38, and CL25 in these PCAs; while on the one from the study, they're on top of the most southern ones?
http://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.jpg
I'd say MTA and the PCA you posted are consistent with the positions of the ancient samples though. I think my position in relation to the SZ40 is correct, as it is to Apulia on your PCA.

https://i.imgur.com/fDJo3rK.png

Ailchu
22-07-19, 13:36
I wonder though, why do the modern South Italian plots fall north of CL30, CL38, and CL25 in these PCAs; while on the one from the study, they're on top of the most southernly ones?
http://i.imgur.com/eOhr0dz.jpg

my explanation would be that the 2 shown components are not the same and that might have to do with the different samples. so for example both seem to have an axis that could be interpretated as WHG/EHG ancestry. but maybe in the first 2 PCA's the second axis captures a bit more EEF ancestry variance while in the PCA from the study the second axis has a bit more CHG andmixture variance.

Jovialis
22-07-19, 14:07
https://i.imgur.com/wEB9YWY.png


https://i.imgur.com/OVReUQO.png
https://i.imgur.com/8kYgo9Q.png

This is what I would assume the results would be like in relation to these population cohorts. The Hittite is probably the Anatolian Bronze-Age sample overlaping with SITALY1 in the Raveane et al paper. Though other PCAs like Lazardis et al 2017, also have the Mycenaeans overlapping with people who would encompass SITALY1 too.

matty74
22-07-19, 14:28
Could someone explain to me how those plots work?

Angela
22-07-19, 14:42
Ditto :)

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=41oe6cs6e5&s=pcas

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=41oe6cs6e5&s=pcamhttps://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67081603_768873973544402_5220444783062810624_n.png ?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmEoxNi9yUM4cKATFqA61tZ1YwJ1oG4ZD1kbgB0A9b QLsnoEah5BNop8XqLRbxY1M0&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=3d7b8bb8bcbb97667fc2c30dfdf1375a&oe=5DE925A0

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67389609_491920248224259_1200045975972872192_n.png ?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlu-MpLStcCiPXVUl7LgNcrHoTEBGxBXAePZH10vXAwNK75IDQRZgU nmcN6bpRQKAc&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=93221c206a02996794cb5d33e303fe94&oe=5DBACE6C

Definitely the same kind of gene pool. :)

https://i.imgur.com/hVhsmK7.png

https://imgur.com/a/vjT6qf2

North Italy (Bergamo) looks very much like the supposedly "Medieval Iberian" sample found at Collegno (that's labeled incorrectly, imo), and SZ36 looks Tuscan here, and that's what it comes out on the calculators, but CL36 Emilian. I do indeed practically land on the latter sample. Szolad 43, to which I'm reasonably close, also comes out as North Italian on the Eurogenes K13, but more east than Bergamo.
https://imgur.com/a/vjT6qf2

I would love to know how my mother would have tested. My hunch is that she would have been Tuscan like, despite having half her ancestry from the Lunigiana. Partly, I think it's probably her father's ancestry from La Spezia. His line is the only one where I have a few holes in my tree because of the destruction of records during the war, so a few people from his tree may have moved up from Toscana, and also, while the people of the Lunigiana are more northern shifted, more Emilian like, there is some variation even there, with the most northern shifted up in the foothills. IF that's correct, which I can't be certain about, that would mean that my father's people are probably a bit more northern shifted than most people of Emilia, but I've thought for a long time that those mountains might be part of that whole mountain group called the territorio delle quattro province: Alessandria, Genova, Pavia and Piacenza.

I don't know what, in particular, is "special" about Sassuolo, since it's just a small town near Modena, but for fun: both these singers come from there. :)

Caterina Caselli

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/italian-singer-caterina-caselli-attending-to-a-tv-show-rome-1977-picture-id534780750?s=612x612

And, of course, Nek:
http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29900000/Nek-nek-29919002-800-600.jpg

Anyone know more about this "North Roman Warrior", and/or have his gedmatch number?

Duarte
22-07-19, 16:39
Definitely the same kind of gene pool. :)

Anyone know more about this "North Roman Warrior", and/or have his gedmatch number?

@Angela:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/1400-year-old-warrior-burial-ground-reveals-german-fighters-came-near-and-far

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/9/eaao1262

https://i.imgur.com/HAH5aEJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/DXblnGE.png

Wheal
22-07-19, 16:40
Could someone explain to me how those plots work?

Here is a pretty good explanation of how they are calculated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgakZw6K1QQ

TardisBlue
22-07-19, 17:40
My PCA plots:

https://i.ibb.co/G0qRrwp/Capture-d-cran-2019-07-22-07-56-38.png
https://i.ibb.co/R99Pqvj/Capture-d-cran-2019-07-22-07-56-49.png

torzio
22-07-19, 20:03
Thankyou
I agree with these PCA plots
Below is mine from other "plotters"
Only the ones uner 10.00
SZ28......Trentino.....fonzaso
CL23......Lombardy east.....near lake Garda
I3313......Friuli Grado
SZ36.......Romagna Rimini
CL36.......Emilia....sussolo
Second name is closest town

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.349) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (8.469) - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.971) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Central Roman (590 AD) (9.665) - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.851) - CL36 (Click for more info)
(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Central Roman (590 AD) (10.03) - SZ43 ...........another Romagnolo (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) (10.08) - NS3c ...........Tyrolese (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (10.63) - NS3b .....Thracian (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.21) - CL57 ........Trentino (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (11.57) - CL94 NW Italy (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

bigsnake49
22-07-19, 22:28
Hmmmmm...here is mine but I plot well west of Serbians and Bosnians but very close to Greek Thessaly:

Modern PCAhttps://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=bvqbfbdwdi&s=pcam
I don't quite understand why I plot west of all of those populations.

matty74
23-07-19, 00:19
Hmmmmm...here is mine but I plot well west of Serbians and Bosnians but very close to Greek Thessaly:
11221

I don't quite understand why I plot west of all of those populations.

I'm hardly an expert at this but wouldn't Greeks plot a bit west of Serbians?

italouruguayan
23-07-19, 02:37
Mine...

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=xejhldqpsd&s=pcas
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=xejhldqpsd&s=pcam
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=xejhldqpsd&s=pcac

bigsnake49
23-07-19, 03:28
Mine...

https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=xejhldqpsd&s=pcas
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=xejhldqpsd&s=pcam
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=xejhldqpsd&s=pcac

We cannot see any of them.

bigsnake49
23-07-19, 03:37
I'm hardly an expert at this but wouldn't Greeks plot a bit west of Serbians?
Look at TardisBlue's plot, there Greek_Thessaly plots east of all those Balkanites.

italouruguayan
23-07-19, 04:04
We cannot see any of them.

I will try to fix it

italouruguayan
23-07-19, 04:45
The photos are not good...I hope they can be understood...112221122311224

Sent from my SM-G930F using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Angela
23-07-19, 05:38
@Angela:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/1400-year-old-warrior-burial-ground-reveals-german-fighters-came-near-and-far

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/9/eaao1262

https://i.imgur.com/HAH5aEJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/DXblnGE.png

Thanks, Duarte. I must have had a brain freeze. I'm too distracted.

Angela
23-07-19, 05:44
@Angela:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/1400-year-old-warrior-burial-ground-reveals-german-fighters-came-near-and-far

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/9/eaao1262

https://i.imgur.com/HAH5aEJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/DXblnGE.png

Thanks, Duarte. I must have had a brain freeze. I'm too distracted.

Strange, if true, they were either adopting young boys or holding them as hostages, or maybe both in a way.

Wheal
23-07-19, 14:56
11225This is for a U-106 and H11a

Wheal
23-07-19, 15:00
11226

I-F2735 and H1a3a

Wheal
23-07-19, 15:03
This is for a K1c1
11227

Wheal
23-07-19, 15:05
This is H5a1b

11228

Wheal
23-07-19, 17:25
11229
I thought this was an interesting match
11231

Angela
24-07-19, 04:33
11229
I thought this was an interesting match

11230

I LOVE that, but how on earth to explain it?

Your PCA is exactly how I would have imagined one for an American with almost all British Isles testimony. Very interesting, Wheal. Thanks for sharing. :)

So touching that the Maryland sample is included.

Duarte
24-07-19, 04:56
11229
I thought this was an interesting match

11230

WOW. Very cool Wheal. Congratulations. Thanks for sharing. I loved see these matches with Native Americans.

Wheal
24-07-19, 15:09
@Angela, you were correct, when I looked at the pca for fs I saw that it was the wrong one. I've corrected my post to include the correct pca. Thank you for commenting on that. The pca that was uploaded was for a mostly European person, not sure how he can match that early Maryland sample. Two other people that I manage do have early 1700's family in Maryland and New Brunswick. FS's family is from North Western Mexico, and for once, family stories of being part AmerIndian are true.

Sorry everyone

gotouu21
24-07-19, 16:27
Your closest Ancient populations...

Baltic + Avar (3.561)
Baltic + Kievan Rus (3.915)
Avar (7.543)
Baltic (11.96)
Kievan Rus (13.1)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

1. Avar (590 AD) (7.543)
2. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (8.136)
3. Late Bronze Age Estonia (660 BC) (8.263)
4. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.17)
5. Iron Age Saaremaa Oesel (215 BC) (10.5)
6. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.79)
7. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) (10.81)
8. [Hidden] - upgrade your account (10.98)
9. Late Medieval Livonia (1585 AD) (11.33)

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Lithuanian (3.571)
2. Belorussian (6.671)
3. Estonian_Polish (8.287)
4. Russian_Smolensk (9.207)

Jovialis
25-07-19, 16:35
PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Collegno (6th-7th century A.D.), Italy

https://i.imgur.com/7xI3bBu.jpg


PCA samples from Lombard period cemetery at Szólád (6th century A.D.), Hungary

https://i.imgur.com/Ot0ZIe5.jpg


PCA with Collegno and Szólád samples

https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg


I decided to poke around with Global25 and PAST. I produced these two PCAs:

https://i.imgur.com/f2iGNCr.png

https://i.imgur.com/j3kyka2.png

Where were you able to obtain those sub-regional Italian populations? The ones I used in the generic Global25 are not very good or informative, imo.

Also, if anyone has the coordinates for the Raveane et al 2018 paper, I think that would be very useful.

Pax Augusta
25-07-19, 17:54
I decided to poke around with Global25 and PAST. I produced these two PCAs:

https://i.imgur.com/f2iGNCr.png

https://i.imgur.com/j3kyka2.png

Where were you able to obtain those sub-regional Italian populations? The ones I used in the generic Global25 are not very good or informative, imo.

Also, if anyone has the coordinates for the Raveane et al 2018 paper, I think that would be very useful.



global 25 is just another amateur tool, but the first PCA based on component 1 and component 2 (PC1 and PC2) is more accurate than the second one, which is based on component 1 and component 3 and thus ends up producing less accurate results.

Jovialis
26-07-19, 14:54
global 25 is just another amateur tool, but the first PCA based on component 1 and component 2 (PC1 and PC2) is more accurate than the second one, which is based on component 1 and component 3 and thus ends up producing less accurate results.

Here is a new one I put together with the grouping changed; it is of Southern Europe. I had downloaded the Reich Lab datasets, and checked the locations of the samples, that are in the Global25 data set. I see the Southern Samples are from Cortenza, in Calabria, two from Naples, and one from Crispiano, in Puglia. The Crispiano one is the one in the Abruzzo cluster. They're from Nick Patterson et al 2012. I assume the east and west Sicilian samples are from Syracuse, and Trapani, but I could not verify that.

I combined the Cretan cluster, with Thessaloniki, to show a more proper range of where Greeks cluster. This also shows how much Western Jews, have received from Greek DNA.

I included the top ten samples I match with on Mytrueancestry.

I don't agree with where some of these samples are landing, considering where they did on the actual papers. I would like to figure out how to produce the coordinates myself from the available datasets from the Reich lab.


​https://i.imgur.com/2YHeldZ.png

Pax Augusta
26-07-19, 16:28
Here is a new one I put together with the grouping changed; it is of Southern Europe. I had downloaded the Reich Lab datasets, and checked the locations of the samples, that are in the Global25 data set. I see the Southern Samples are from Cortenza, in Calabria, two from Naples, and one from Crispiano, in Puglia. The Crispiano one is the one in the Abruzzo cluster. They're from Nick Patterson et al 2012. I assume the east and west Sicilian samples are from Syracuse, and Trapani, but I could not verify that.

I combined the Cretan cluster, with Thessaloniki, to show a more proper range of where Greeks cluster. This also shows how much Western Jews, have received from Greek DNA.

I included the top ten samples I match with on Mytrueancestry.

I don't agree with where some of these samples are landing, considering where they did on the actual papers. I would like to figure out how to produce the coordinates myself from the available datasets from the Reich lab.


https://i.imgur.com/WaGphC0.png

Yes, the east and west Sicilian samples are usually from Syracuse and Trapani.

Instead Tuscany are 5 individuals from TSI sample based on people who have at least 3 out of 4 grandparents born in Tuscany (so not the best of accuracy. There are many Tuscans who are more northwest than TSI) and Bergamo is based on 6 individuals from Bergamo HGDP (who in total are 13).

The red label of each population shoul be located where there is the average of the population. Clearly this is on the assumption that the Global25 modern samples are truly accurate and representative.

Jovialis
26-07-19, 16:45
Yes, the east and west Sicilian samples are usually from Syracuse and Trapani.

Instead Tuscany are 5 individuals from TSI sample based on people who have at least 3 out of 4 grandparents born in Tuscany (so not the best of accuracy. There are many Tuscans who are more northwest than TSI) and Bergamo is based on 6 individuals from Bergamo HGDP (who in total are 13).

The red label of each population shoul be located where there is the average of the population. Clearly this is on the assumption that the Global25 modern samples are truly accurate and representative.

I've updated the group to be called TSI. They are indeed from that population sample.

https://i.imgur.com/2YHeldZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/rjKFft8.png

Pax Augusta
26-07-19, 16:54
I've updated the group to be called TSI. They are indeed from that population sample.

https://i.imgur.com/rjKFft8.png

Yes, I knew that but I checked the G25 spreadsheet. Consider that TSI is the only sample of the Hap Map/1000 genomes project not based on 4/4 native grandparents, but the only one that states that they are only 3 out of 4.

Italian_South:Bel57 is most likely from Belvedere Marittimo (Bel=Belvedere), province of Cosenza, the northernmost area of Calabria at the border with Basilicata, as written in some old academic studies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belvedere_Marittimo

Carlos
26-07-19, 18:57
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FUo1lXVrIJM/XTntDuaFmII/AAAAAAAAA-8/zqsUqxIckmIaDJWokakpdVINRtMnh9B9ACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainYOUancient.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Qm9RTE04We0/XTnunFB-1LI/AAAAAAAAA_I/fRLei8gGd-4eLMEO-nPEFiZgNFGvade_QCLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainYOUmodern.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R5Vruxg-N_A/XTnuyfS1SsI/AAAAAAAAA_M/lI4cexmTd2kfxA4zVtoJ_9yvV7nSl7xiACLcBGAs/s1600/mytrueancestry.com_c_mainYOUXAMPLES.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-53J5fDrVMvM/XTssqJxYqAI/AAAAAAAAA_c/lXL6kPfStJEbqRiN9yOyEiVW9kl0NB96ACLcBGAs/s1600/yourclosetULTIMA.jpg

New update with new individuals.

12. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix (520 AD) (13.46) - STR_535
34. Ostrogoth Mix (465 AD) (16.5) - AEH_1
47. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) (18.18) - NS3c
57. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) (19.89) - AED_1108
78. Ostrogoth Frankish Mix (410 AD) (22.37) - STR_328
79. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (22.4) - NS3b
90. Alemanni Celtic Warrior (605 AD) (23.73) - NS10

Angela
26-07-19, 19:37
Here is a new one I put together with the grouping changed; it is of Southern Europe. I had downloaded the Reich Lab datasets, and checked the locations of the samples, that are in the Global25 data set. I see the Southern Samples are from Cortenza, in Calabria, two from Naples, and one from Crispiano, in Puglia. The Crispiano one is the one in the Abruzzo cluster. They're from Nick Patterson et al 2012. I assume the east and west Sicilian samples are from Syracuse, and Trapani, but I could not verify that.

I combined the Cretan cluster, with Thessaloniki, to show a more proper range of where Greeks cluster. This also shows how much Western Jews, have received from Greek DNA.

I included the top ten samples I match with on Mytrueancestry.

I don't agree with where some of these samples are landing, considering where they did on the actual papers. I would like to figure out how to produce the coordinates myself from the available datasets from the Reich lab.


​https://i.imgur.com/2YHeldZ.png

This is excellent, Jovialis, especially showing the whole range of Greeks. Did you think of just seeing where "Peloponnese" and "Central Greeks would land or did the author not make those samples publicly available. Reich might have them, although he wasn't on the original paper on the genetics of the Peloponnese.

This is much more in line with what is shown in the papers in terms of other statistical type tools, and that's with using Global 25 samples which were chosen with who knows what criterion. Congratulations!

If you have some time at some point, there are academic samples which are labeled Piemonte but are really the border area between Piemonte, the Ligurian Alps etc. They might be from the Estonian Biocenter. I know MDLP got them. Also, would it be a lot of trouble to put CL36 and CL23 on the PCA? They might fit in between Bergamo and Toscana, as, of course, would some Tuscan samples. CL36, at least, comes out Northern Italian sometimes, and Tuscan sometimes. Who knows why Global 25 chose the Tuscan and Bergamo samples they chose.

Jovialis
26-07-19, 21:04
This is excellent, Jovialis, especially showing the whole range of Greeks. Did you think of just seeing where "Peloponnese" and "Central Greeks would land or did the author not make those samples publicly available. Reich might have them, although he wasn't on the original paper on the genetics of the Peloponnese.

This is much more in line with what is shown in the papers in terms of other statistical type tools, and that's with using Global 25 samples which were chosen with who knows what criterion. Congratulations!

If you have some time at some point, there are academic samples which are labeled Piemonte but are really the border area between Piemonte, the Ligurian Alps etc. They might be from the Estonian Biocenter. I know MDLP got them. Also, would it be a lot of trouble to put CL36 and CL23 on the PCA? They might fit in between Bergamo and Toscana, as, of course, would some Tuscan samples. CL36, at least, comes out Northern Italian sometimes, and Tuscan sometimes. Who knows why Global 25 chose the Tuscan and Bergamo samples they chose.

Thanks! Here's an updated version:

https://i.imgur.com/hBL788e.png

I got the idea from the Lazaridis PCA that included Cretans and Thessaloniki in the grouping of "Modern Greeks". Also the paper on the Peloponnese indeed confirms the Peloponnesians do cluster next to Cretans. By putting both Crete and Thessaloniki in the same group, it stretched the range.

https://i.imgur.com/1xzMbEz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gjrL7mK.jpg

torzio
26-07-19, 21:40
my wife's first 25

Her family tree states for past 300 years living in different towns along the Livenza river https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livenza


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (6.716) - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (8.715) - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (8.715) - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (8.97) - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (10.04) - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (10.12) - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (10.26) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (10.41) - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Central Roman (670 AD) (10.59) - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (11.11) - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (11.18) - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (11.23) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (11.64) - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (11.66) - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (11.83) - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.88) - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.96) - CL102 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.96) - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (12.19) - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.61) - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) (12.75) - AED_1108 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Pax Augusta
26-07-19, 22:15
my wife's first 25

You're a northern Venetian and it would be interesting if you give your G25 coordinates to Jovialis, so we can see where northern Venetians plot in that PCA.

Jovialis
26-07-19, 22:39
https://i.imgur.com/pKnASWH.png

Here's another version showing broader ethnic groupings.

Pax Augusta
26-07-19, 22:44
I got the idea from the Lazaridis PCA that included Cretans and Thessaloniki in the grouping of "Modern Greeks". Also the paper on the Peloponnese indeed confirms the Peloponnesians do cluster next to Cretans. By putting both Crete and Thessaloniki in the same group, it stretched the range.

https://i.imgur.com/1xzMbEz.jpg



You did well Jovialis showing the whole range of Greeks, also because the G25 for the Greeks uses mainly people from Thessaloniki, northern Greece, who can hardly represent all Greeks.

And while we're at it, few words on the PCA from Drineas et al. Many populations in that PCA are missing. How can they do a study on Greek Cretans using only a sample from the Peloponnese and not the rest of the Greeks? Then why are populations like Albanians, Kosovars, Macedonians (Fyrom), Bulgarians and Romanians and so on missing? They are populations of South-East Europe that should be there when you study a south eastern European population like the Cretans. A PCA becomes accurate only when you put in all the populations, because PCA are very flexible and the samples change position depending on the populations used. On an individual level in that PCA there are also surprising results: a Sicilian who ends up with the Venetians, a Hungarian who ends up in the Caucasus, another Hungarian who ends up with an Askenazi north of the Peloponnese, a Dane who ends up with the Tuscans, the Armenians too close to the Cretans. The position of the Sardinians is also very strange. Is it possible that in 2019 genetic studies all they can do is produce PCA in this way?

Angela
26-07-19, 23:08
Thanks! Here's an updated version:

https://i.imgur.com/hBL788e.png

I got the idea from the Lazaridis PCA that included Cretans and Thessaloniki in the grouping of "Modern Greeks". Also the paper on the Peloponnese indeed confirms the Peloponnesians do cluster next to Cretans. By putting both Crete and Thessaloniki in the same group, it stretched the range.

https://i.imgur.com/1xzMbEz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gjrL7mK.jpg

Thanks, Jovialis. I guess my hunch was correct. That space between Bergamo and TSI is filled with people like Emilians, maybe people from the Lunigiana, maybe even Ligurians (that Piemonte/Ligurian Alps sample)? I'm just guessing about the latter two, but Collegno 36 is definitely Emilian like, and my second closest match ever (around 4). Now it's even clearer why, on gedmatch calculators etc, my best scores were variably 4 or 5 to Bergamo and TSI.

Good work. :)

Pax Augusta
26-07-19, 23:24
Thanks, Jovialis. I guess my hunch was correct. That space between Bergamo and TSI is filled with people like Emilians, maybe people from the Lunigiana, maybe even Ligurians (that Piemonte/Ligurian Alps sample)? I'm just guessing about the latter two, but Collegno 36 is definitely Emilian like, and my closest match ever, in any test (around 3). Now it's even clearer why, on gedmatch calculators etc, my best scores were variably 4 or 5 to Bergamo and TSI.

Good work. :)

That the space between Bergamo HGDP and TSI is filled with people like Emilians was already known, I think. And it also filled with Ligurians and also a tiny minority of people from Piedmont, Lombardy itself and even some Venetians. Because Bergamo HGDP is too far west sometimes.

Anyway personal variation is always underestimated, which is poorly shown in academic studies and is instead very evident in the results with commercial companies. It doesn't change the general trends but it makes everything more nuanced and less sharply outlined.

torzio
27-07-19, 00:56
You're a northern Venetian and it would be interesting if you give your G25 coordinates to Jovialis, so we can see where northern Venetians plot in that PCA.


which file

i am already plotted on another site under G25

Pax Augusta
27-07-19, 00:59
which file

i am already plotted on another site under G25

Can you post the PCA with your plot on G25??

torzio
27-07-19, 00:59
my wife's first 25

Her family tree states for past 300 years living in different towns along the Livenza river https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livenza


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (6.716) - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (8.715) - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (8.715) - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (8.97) - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (10.04) - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (10.12) - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (10.26) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) (10.41) - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Central Roman (670 AD) (10.59) - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (11.11) - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (11.18) - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (11.23) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (11.64) - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
14. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) (11.66) - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Medieval Frank (670 AD) (11.83) - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (11.88) - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) (11.96) - CL102 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.96) - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
19. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) (12.19) - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
20. Central Roman (590 AD) (12.61) - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
21. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) (12.75) - AED_1108 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)



my sisters data up to 13.00

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.043) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.025) - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.049) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (9.653) - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (9.762) - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (10.49) - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (11.06) - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
8. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (760 AD) (12.08) - I3585 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
9. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (12.1) - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (12.1) - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (12.22) - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Central Roman (670 AD) (12.83) - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

torzio
27-07-19, 01:06
My 3rd cousin paternal side , data from...... Val di non, Trentino


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) (8.012) - SZ45 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) (8.377) - CL94
3. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (8.527) - SZ28 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.618) - I3313
5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) (8.805) - I4332
6. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) (8.835) - I5769
7. Central Roman (670 AD) (9.966) - CL36
8. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) (10.11) - CL23
9. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (10.43) - scy192 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
10. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1100 AD) (10.5) - I2515 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
11. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) (10.63) - SZ18 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
12. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) (10.88) - CL57 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
13. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.05) - SZ36
14. Central Roman (590 AD) (11.07) - SZ43 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
15. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) (11.3) - DA199 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
16. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) (11.62) - NS3c (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
17. Medieval Iberian Valencia (1200 AD) (11.69) - I2649 (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
18. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) (11.78) - NS3b
19. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) (12.01) - scy311

torzio
27-07-19, 01:09
Can you post the PCA with your plot on G25??

sure from other site
as soon as i find it i will snip it

torzio
27-07-19, 01:21
Can you post the PCA with your plot on G25??

is this what you are after or did you want my wife?

below is mine

https://i.postimg.cc/kG35kx4Z/global25.jpg


or this one

https://i.postimg.cc/8kwnTBcr/my-line-ploted.png (https://postimg.cc/vghMnx5L)

Pax Augusta
27-07-19, 01:25
is this what you are after or did you want my wife?

below is mine

https://i.postimg.cc/kG35kx4Z/global25.jpg

(https://postimg.cc/vghMnx5L)

This one based on G25. I suppose this PCA was done by Davidski himself. It's the full version of his PCA. Have you a larger version of this one?

torzio
27-07-19, 01:34
This one based on G25. I suppose this PCA was done by Davidski himself. It's the full version of his PCA. Have you a larger version of this one?

no

I have this one for alpine italy

https://i.postimg.cc/KzLLnBpb/pca-col.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

alais
27-07-19, 01:54
The Oracles and calculator Mytrueancestry.com uses is just Eurogenes K15. So there is no difference with the results on Gedmatch.

What I find most interesting on Mytrueancestry.com are the distances based on Y-DNA. Does anyone know the sources?

Interesting differences between Italians.


North Italian (Bergamo)

1. French_Alsace (6.946)
2. Portuguese (9.367)
3. Spanish_Galicia (9.746)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (10.31)
5. French_Provence (10.34)
6. French (11.09)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (11.30)
8. West_German (11.78)


Tuscan

1. Spanish_Cantabria (15.09)
2. French_Alsace (15.86)
3. French_Provence (16.56)
4. North_Italian (16.83)
5. French (17.14)
6. Portuguese (18.25)
7. West_German (19.68)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (19.75)


Corsican

1. Spanish_Aragon (15.23)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (15.33)
3. Spanish_Galicia (17.52)
4. North_Italian (17.66)
5. Portuguese (17.99)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (18.39)
7. French_Provence (18.73)
8. French (19.68)



Italian Abruzzo

1. Armenian (9.918)
2. South_Italian (12.93)
3. East_Sicilian (13.96)
4. West_Sicilian (13.96)
5. Turkish (21.65)
6. North_Italian (22.16)
7. Greek_Islands (22.19)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (23.94)


South Italian

1. East_Sicilian (10.06)
2. West_Sicilian (10.06)
3. Armenian (12.07)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (12.93)
5. Turkish (14.08)
6. Greek_Crete (16.67)
7. Jordanian (17.18)
8. Greek_Islands (17.70)


East Sicilian

1. West_Sicilian (0.0)
2. Greek_Islands (10.06)
3. South_Italian (10.06)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (13.96)
5. Greek (14.62)
6. Turkish (16.53)
7. Armenian (16.73)
8. Central_Greek (20.0)


West Sicilian

1. East_Sicilian (0.0)
2. Greek_Islands (10.06)
3. South_Italian (10.06)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (13.96)
5. Greek (14.62)
6. Turkish (16.53)
7. Armenian (16.73)
8. Central_Greek (20.0)


Also Greeks have some differences between them.


Greek Thessaly

1. Bulgarian (7.778)
2. Macedonian (9.656)
3. Greek (12.85)
4. Central_Greek (14.37)
5. Romanian (16.04)
6. Greek_Islands (17.05)
7. Moldavian (19.60)
8. Hungarian (20.24)


Greek

1. Greek_Islands (7.826)
2. Central_Greek (10.07)
3. Greek_Thessaly (12.85)
4. East_Sicilian (14.62)
5. West_Sicilian (14.62)
6. Kurdish (15.85)
7. Turkish (16.06)
8. Greek_Crete (17.15)


Central Greek

1. Greek (10.07)
2. Greek_Islands (12.09)
3. Greek_Thessaly (14.37)
4. Bulgarian (17.05)
5. Macedonian (18.06)
6. East_Sicilian (20.0)
7. West_Sicilian (20.0)
8. Cyprian (20.81)


Cyprian Greek

1. Cyprian (2.449)
2. Ashkenazi (10.0)
3. Jordanian (12.52)
4. Lebanese_Christian (12.75)
5. Kurdish (17.1)
6. Greek_Crete (17.10)
7. Turkish (17.21)
8. South_Italian (18.62)


Cyprian

1. Cyprian_Greek (2.449)
2. Ashkenazi (9.924)
3. Lebanese_Christian (13.00)
4. Jordanian (14.40)
5. Turkish (16.77)
6. Kurdish (16.81)
7. Greek_Crete (16.95)
8. Greek (19.01)

Turkish

1. Greek_Crete (9.124)
2. Kurdish (10.64)
3. South_Italian (14.08)
4. Ashkenazi (14.32)
5. Iranian (14.56)
6. Armenian (15.54)
7. Azeri (16.03)
8. Greek (16.06)


Ashkenazi

1. Cyprian (9.924)
2. Cyprian_Greek (10.0)
3. Kurdish (11.53)
4. Lebanese_Christian (12.61)
5. Greek_Crete (13.87)
6. Turkish (14.32)
7. Syrian (16.09)
8. Jordanian (16.64)


Armenian

1. Italian_Abruzzo (9.918)
2. South_Italian (12.07)
3. Turkish (15.54)
4. East_Sicilian (16.73)
5. West_Sicilian (16.73)
6. Greek_Crete (18.77)
7. Kurdish (22.20)
8. Greek_Islands (22.83)


Greek Islands

1. Greek (7.826)
2. East_Sicilian (10.06)
3. West_Sicilian (10.06)
4. Central_Greek (12.09)
5. Turkish (16.72)
6. Greek_Thessaly (17.05)
7. South_Italian (17.70)
8. Kurdish (18.15)

Greek Crete

1. Kurdish (9.022)
2. Turkish (9.124)
3. Syrian (11.97)
4. Ashkenazi (13.87)
5. Sephardic_Jewish (14.32)
6. Azeri (15.04)
7. Lebanese_Christian (15.12)
8. South_Italian (16.67)

Portuguese

1. Spanish_Galicia (5.852)
2. French_Provence (6.576)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (8.246)
4. French_Alsace (8.396)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (8.529)
6. North_Italian (9.367)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.46)
8. Spanish_Valencia (10.74)

alais
27-07-19, 01:58
The Oracles and calculator Mytrueancestry.com uses is just Eurogenes K15, so there is no difference with the results on Gedmatch.

What I find most interesting on Mytrueancestry.com are the distances based on Y-DNA. Does anyone know the sources?

Interesting differences between Italians.


North Italian (Bergamo)

1. French_Alsace (6.946)
2. Portuguese (9.367)
3. Spanish_Galicia (9.746)
4. Spanish_Extremadura (10.31)
5. French_Provence (10.34)
6. French (11.09)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (11.30)
8. West_German (11.78)


Tuscan

1. Spanish_Cantabria (15.09)
2. French_Alsace (15.86)
3. French_Provence (16.56)
4. North_Italian (16.83)
5. French (17.14)
6. Portuguese (18.25)
7. West_German (19.68)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (19.75)


Corsican

1. Spanish_Aragon (15.23)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (15.33)
3. Spanish_Galicia (17.52)
4. North_Italian (17.66)
5. Portuguese (17.99)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (18.39)
7. French_Provence (18.73)
8. French (19.68)


Sardinian

1. Romanian (22.10)
2. Serbian (24.73)
3. Macedonian (24.87)
4. Bosnian (27.20)
5. Croatian (27.26)
6. Bulgarian (29.11)
7. Greek_Thessaly (32.20)
8. Greek (35.71)


Italian Abruzzo

1. Armenian (9.918)
2. South_Italian (12.93)
3. East_Sicilian (13.96)
4. West_Sicilian (13.96)
5. Turkish (21.65)
6. North_Italian (22.16)
7. Greek_Islands (22.19)
8. Spanish_Extremadura (23.94)


South Italian

1. East_Sicilian (10.06)
2. West_Sicilian (10.06)
3. Armenian (12.07)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (12.93)
5. Turkish (14.08)
6. Greek_Crete (16.67)
7. Jordanian (17.18)
8. Greek_Islands (17.70)


East Sicilian

1. West_Sicilian (0.0)
2. Greek_Islands (10.06)
3. South_Italian (10.06)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (13.96)
5. Greek (14.62)
6. Turkish (16.53)
7. Armenian (16.73)
8. Central_Greek (20.0)


West Sicilian

1. East_Sicilian (0.0)
2. Greek_Islands (10.06)
3. South_Italian (10.06)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (13.96)
5. Greek (14.62)
6. Turkish (16.53)
7. Armenian (16.73)
8. Central_Greek (20.0)


Also Greeks have some differences between them.


Greek Thessaly

1. Bulgarian (7.778)
2. Macedonian (9.656)
3. Greek (12.85)
4. Central_Greek (14.37)
5. Romanian (16.04)
6. Greek_Islands (17.05)
7. Moldavian (19.60)
8. Hungarian (20.24)


Greek

1. Greek_Islands (7.826)
2. Central_Greek (10.07)
3. Greek_Thessaly (12.85)
4. East_Sicilian (14.62)
5. West_Sicilian (14.62)
6. Kurdish (15.85)
7. Turkish (16.06)
8. Greek_Crete (17.15)


Central Greek

1. Greek (10.07)
2. Greek_Islands (12.09)
3. Greek_Thessaly (14.37)
4. Bulgarian (17.05)
5. Macedonian (18.06)
6. East_Sicilian (20.0)
7. West_Sicilian (20.0)
8. Cyprian (20.81)


Cyprian Greek

1. Cyprian (2.449)
2. Ashkenazi (10.0)
3. Jordanian (12.52)
4. Lebanese_Christian (12.75)
5. Kurdish (17.1)
6. Greek_Crete (17.10)
7. Turkish (17.21)
8. South_Italian (18.62)


Cyprian

1. Cyprian_Greek (2.449)
2. Ashkenazi (9.924)
3. Lebanese_Christian (13.00)
4. Jordanian (14.40)
5. Turkish (16.77)
6. Kurdish (16.81)
7. Greek_Crete (16.95)
8. Greek (19.01)

Turkish

1. Greek_Crete (9.124)
2. Kurdish (10.64)
3. South_Italian (14.08)
4. Ashkenazi (14.32)
5. Iranian (14.56)
6. Armenian (15.54)
7. Azeri (16.03)
8. Greek (16.06)


Ashkenazi

1. Cyprian (9.924)
2. Cyprian_Greek (10.0)
3. Kurdish (11.53)
4. Lebanese_Christian (12.61)
5. Greek_Crete (13.87)
6. Turkish (14.32)
7. Syrian (16.09)
8. Jordanian (16.64)


Armenian

1. Italian_Abruzzo (9.918)
2. South_Italian (12.07)
3. Turkish (15.54)
4. East_Sicilian (16.73)
5. West_Sicilian (16.73)
6. Greek_Crete (18.77)
7. Kurdish (22.20)
8. Greek_Islands (22.83)


Greek Islands

1. Greek (7.826)
2. East_Sicilian (10.06)
3. West_Sicilian (10.06)
4. Central_Greek (12.09)
5. Turkish (16.72)
6. Greek_Thessaly (17.05)
7. South_Italian (17.70)
8. Kurdish (18.15)

Greek Crete

1. Kurdish (9.022)
2. Turkish (9.124)
3. Syrian (11.97)
4. Ashkenazi (13.87)
5. Sephardic_Jewish (14.32)
6. Azeri (15.04)
7. Lebanese_Christian (15.12)
8. South_Italian (16.67)

Portuguese

1. Spanish_Galicia (5.852)
2. French_Provence (6.576)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (8.246)
4. French_Alsace (8.396)
5. Spanish_Extremadura (8.529)
6. North_Italian (9.367)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.46)
8. Spanish_Valencia (10.74)

alais
27-07-19, 02:13
French

1. French_Alsace (6.062)
2. Belgian (6.103)
3. French_Provence (8.246)
4. Spanish_Galicia (9.0)
5. Spanish_Valencia (10.59)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (10.73)
7. North_Italian (11.09)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (11.10)


French Alsace

1. French (6.062)
2. North_Italian (6.946)
3. Spanish_Galicia (7.664)
4. French_Provence (7.921)
5. Portuguese (8.396)
6. Spanish_Cantabria (10.81)
7. Belgian (11.29)
8. Spanish_Andalucia (11.40)

French Basque

1. Irish (7.632)
2. French_Brittany (9.287)
3. French_Normandy (11.57)
4. Cornish (12.85)
5. Welsh (16.30)
6. Scottish (17.43)
7. West_Scottish (17.74)
8. Southwest_English (20.13)

French Brittany

1. Irish (4.062)
2. Cornish (5.873)
3. French_Normandy (6.538)
4. Welsh (8.616)
5. French_Basque (9.287)
6. Scottish (11.23)
7. West_Scottish (11.69)
8. Southwest_English (11.84)


French Normandy

1. Cornish (5.590)
2. French_Brittany (6.538)
3. Irish (6.576)
4. Welsh (6.964)
5. Scottish (9.354)
6. West_Scottish (9.433)
7. Southwest_English (10.24)
8. Northeast_Scottish (11.56)


French Provence

1. Portuguese (6.576)
2. Spanish_Cantabria (7.331)
3. French_Alsace (7.921)
4. Spanish_Andalucia (8.015)
5. French (8.246)
6. Spanish_Galicia (8.276)
7. Spanish_Valencia (9.759)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (9.810)


French Rhone Alpes

1. Northeast_English (9.552)
2. Belgian (9.848)
3. English (10.06)
4. Scottish (10.31)
5. Spanish_Cataluna (10.90)
6. Cornish (11.30)
7. French (11.36)
8. West_Scottish (11.40)


Spanish Andalucia

1. Spanish_Galicia (7.466)
2. French_Provence (8.015)
3. Portuguese (8.246)
4. Spanish_Aragon (8.958)
5. Spanish_Valencia (9.055)
6. Spanish_Cataluna (10.63)
7. French (11.10)
8. French_Alsace (11.40)

Spanish Cantabria

1. French_Provence (7.331)
2. French_Alsace (10.81)
3. Portuguese (11.20)
4. North_Italian (11.30)
5. French (12.03)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (12.84)
7. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.24)
8. Spanish_Galicia (14.15)


Spanish Castilla La Mancha

1. Spanish_Cataluna (7.745)
2. French_Provence (11.88)
3. Spanish_Galicia (12.33)
4. Spanish_Andalucia (13.11)
5. French (13.55)
6. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (13.65)
7. Spanish_Valencia (13.72)
8. Portuguese (13.87)


Spanish Castilla Y Leon

1. Spanish_Valencia (6.782)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (8.860)
3. French_Provence (9.810)
4. Portuguese (10.46)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (12.28)
6. Spanish_Galicia (13.02)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (13.24)
8. French (13.57)

Spanish Cataluna

1. Spanish_Valencia (7.280)
2. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (7.745)
3. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (8.860)
4. French_Provence (10.08)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (10.63)
6. French (10.73)
7. French_RhoneAlpes (10.90)
8. Spanish_Galicia (11.62)


Spanish Extremadura

1. Portuguese (8.529)
2. North_Italian (10.31)
3. Spanish_Galicia (11.64)
4. French_Alsace (11.82)
5. French_Provence (13.65)
6. Spanish_Andalucia (13.79)
7. Spanish_Cantabria (15.27)
8. Spanish_Valencia (16.03)



Spanish Galicia

1. Portuguese (5.852)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (7.466)
3. French_Alsace (7.664)
4. French_Provence (8.276)
5. French (9.0)
6. North_Italian (9.746)
7. Spanish_Valencia (10.57)
8. Spanish_Cataluna (11.62)


Spanish Valencia

1. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (6.782)
2. Spanish_Cataluna (7.280)
3. Spanish_Andalucia (9.055)
4. French_Provence (9.759)
5. Spanish_Galicia (10.57)
6. French (10.59)
7. Portuguese (10.74)
8. French_Alsace (12.20)

alais
27-07-19, 02:31
Bulgarian

1. Macedonian (5.545)
2. Greek_Thessaly (7.778)
3. Romanian (13.76)
4. Central_Greek (17.05)
5. Serbian (17.26)
6. Greek (18.26)
7. Moldavian (19.39)
8. Greek_Islands (22.41)

Romanian

1. Macedonian (11.23)
2. Serbian (12.22)
3. Bulgarian (13.76)
4. Croatian (14.80)
5. Moldavian (15.76)
6. Greek_Thessaly (16.04)
7. Hungarian (19.64)
8. Sardinian (22.10)



Macedonian

1. Bulgarian (5.545)
2. Greek_Thessaly (9.656)
3. Romanian (11.23)
4. Serbian (16.53)
5. Greek (17.64)
6. Central_Greek (18.06)
7. Moldavian (21.26)
8. Greek_Islands (22.48)



Bosnian

1. Croatian (14.90)
2. Serbian (17.39)
3. Romanian (24.85)
4. Sardinian (27.20)
5. Macedonian (31.26)
6. Moldavian (31.94)
7. Bulgarian (32.91)
8. Greek_Thessaly (37.92)


Serbian


1. Croatian (9.937)
2. Romanian (12.22)
3. Macedonian (16.53)
4. Bulgarian (17.26)
5. Bosnian (17.39)
6. Moldavian (19.69)
7. Greek_Thessaly (21.71)
8. Sardinian (24.73)



Slovenian

1. Slovakian (8.321)
2. Hungarian (12.32)
3. Moldavian (13.30)
4. Ukrainian (14.08)
5. Czech (16.27)
6. Belorussian (21.27)
7. Croatian (24.54)
8. Polish (25.29)



Croatian

1. Serbian (9.937)
2. Romanian (14.80)
3. Bosnian (14.90)
4. Moldavian (17.58)
5. Macedonian (23.05)
6. Hungarian (23.48)
7. Bulgarian (23.5)
8. Slovenian (24.54)


Austrian

1. East_German (12.13)
2. North_German (12.21)
3. Czech (16.56)
4. West_German (18.95)
5. Hungarian (19.86)
6. North_Italian (24.06)
7. North_Dutch (24.61)
8. South_Dutch (24.61)



West German


1. North_Dutch (8.732)
2. South_Dutch (8.732)
3. North_Italian (11.78)
4. French_Alsace (13.29)
5. French (14.19)
6. Southeast_English (14.22)
7. Southern_Scottish (15.38)
8. Belgian (15.51)



North German


1. East_German (6.557)
2. Austrian (12.21)
3. Norwegian (15.39)
4. Danish (17.43)
5. Czech (18.49)
6. West_German (19.03)
7. North_Dutch (22.53)
8. South_Dutch (22.53)


East German

1. North_German (6.557)
2. Austrian (12.13)
3. Czech (16.29)
4. Norwegian (17.43)
5. West_German (19.49)
6. Danish (20.65)
7. Hungarian (24.32)
8. North_Dutch (24.37)


Belgian

1. French (6.103)
2. Northeast_English (7.123)
3. English (7.697)
4. French_RhoneAlpes (9.848)
5. Southeast_English (10.19)
6. Southern_Scottish (10.65)
7. French_Alsace (11.29)
8. Northeast_Scottish (11.43)

Stuvanè
27-07-19, 17:03
global 25 is just another amateur tool, but the first PCA based on component 1 and component 2 (PC1 and PC2) is more accurate than the second one, which is based on component 1 and component 3 and thus ends up producing less accurate results.

This is my Global 25

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67363296_2308949392507100_2501522522378338304_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQlGfvr5ORZVDYKPuKXO-cG97h56f48C89D8pfckrF8AYm2h32sn1Sa88ah7MXDBhz4&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=558918ba1796bf1a2f92686b0cf95dd6&oe=5DE40C0C

Pax Augusta
29-07-19, 18:06
This is my Global 25

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67363296_2308949392507100_2501522522378338304_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQlGfvr5ORZVDYKPuKXO-cG97h56f48C89D8pfckrF8AYm2h32sn1Sa88ah7MXDBhz4&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=558918ba1796bf1a2f92686b0cf95dd6&oe=5DE40C0C

Thank you Stuvanè.


You are slightly east/north-east of TSI.



https://i.imgur.com/cTxHGna.png

torzio
29-07-19, 20:23
Thank you Stuvanè.


You are slightly east/north-east of TSI.



https://i.imgur.com/cTxHGna.png

IMO
Looks like northern Umbrian or Marche


while mine shows , Alpine Veneto or Alpine Friuli
I do have church records with some relatives from Fonzaso .......especially the Toigo family

Pax Augusta
29-07-19, 21:52
IMO
Looks like northern Umbrian or Marche

A northern Umbrian or someone from Marche more likely would plot south-east of TSI. Stuvanè is northern Italian and he is half Emilian and half Romagnol. Is that correct, Stuvané?

Stuvanè
30-07-19, 09:01
A northern Umbrian or someone from Marche more likely would plot south-east of TSI. Stuvanè is northern Italian and he is half Emilian and half Romagnol. Is that correct, Stuvané?



Correct, Pax

Salento
06-08-19, 06:00
3D Ancient (bonus track)


https://youtu.be/ol_mxzO4pYw

https://i.imgur.com/Ww8KCZl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eYCGpYu.png

Salento
06-08-19, 18:44
3D PCA Plots - Ancient & Modern


https://youtu.be/MzuRDY4wa34

RagnarofMacedon
06-08-19, 19:44
i note that Scottish also Irish by Female DNA closest top7 there is Macedonian. Why would be that...?

Scottish

1. French (6.977)
2. Irish (7.947)
3. Norwegian (8.912)
4. Portuguese (9.619)
5. Swedish (9.986)
6. Macedonian (10.10)
7. German_Central (10.63)




Irish

1. French (6.777)
2. Scottish (7.947)
3. German_Central (10.16)
4. Austrian (10.18)
5. Macedonian (10.57)
6. Hungarian (11.04)
7. Portuguese (11.16)

Jovialis
07-08-19, 16:42
Here is my Ancient 3D PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/6t8Bc35.gif

I was able to convert the Mp4 video to GIF format, by uploading it to the online converter in the link below:

https://www.onlineconverter.com/mp4-to-gif (https://www.onlineconverter.com/mp4-to-gif)

After that, I uploaded the converted GIF to imgur, to obtain a BBCode to paste in my post.

Wheal
07-08-19, 17:44
In my dad's My True Ancestry pca, one of his sample 'match' is Colonial American Pennsylvania Shohola 1700 ad. I'm not surprised about that. His maternal grandfather's line settled in the North East, primarily New Jersey/Manhattan, NY in the 1600's.

Salento
08-08-19, 05:42
Deleted -:

redundant :good_job: :ashamed2:

iamjayroth
08-08-19, 12:42
Thats cool. Wonder what mine is???

Duarte
09-08-19, 12:45
MTA - 3D ANCIENT PCA


https://youtu.be/RFqOqKmnuoI

https://imgur.com/a/YGjKkuI

MTA - 3D MODERN PCA


https://youtu.be/YATiOvAa_ys

https://imgur.com/a/p5976Uy

Salento
10-08-19, 08:06
Timelines (default)
https://i.imgur.com/8H6FExK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/L6R6KjJ.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/34nxyGp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/y1xUb6l.jpg

Genotyping has too many limitations.

it's fun, but it’s time for some serious Sequencing.

It's not a criticism to MTA, they just run the raw-data we give them, just like Gedmatch and everybody else.

There are noticeable discrepancies between the kits, and too many uncertainties.

Sequencing companies should provide a backward compatible Raw-Data format, just like the main Genotyping companies.

I HOPE THEY’RE LISTENING

imho :)

Jovialis
10-08-19, 15:18
Genotyping has too many limitations.

it's fun, but it’s time for some serious Sequencing.

It's not a criticism to MTA, they just run the raw-data we give them, just like Gedmatch and everybody else.

There are noticeable discrepancies between the kits, and too many uncertainties.

Sequencing companies should provide a backward compatible Raw-Data format, just like the main Genotyping companies.

I HOPE THEY’RE LISTENING

imho :)

They do support Dante Labs, which does professional grade sequencing. I would be interested to see how my results from a test like that would match up against the lesser SNP-testing genotyping kits. However, I'll wait until it is within the price range of average direct-to-consumer genomics testing.

You're right, the discrepancies come from the alogrithim assigning ancestry based on incomplete information due to genotyping, which is what all the big companies do. Even Helix that touted having access to whole-genome sequencing, did not utilize it. The Geno 2.0 test has probably the lowest amount of SNPs tested, compared to any other company.

In addition to consumer genomics companies having different standards on assigning ancestry. They are also looking at incomplete information, they infer that determination on. Both aspect vary from company to company.

Salento
10-08-19, 16:25
They do support Dante Labs, which does professional grade sequencing. I would be interested to see how my results from a test like that would match up against the lesser SNP-testing genotyping kits. However, I'll wait until it is within the price range of average direct-to-consumer genomics testing.

You're right, the discrepancies come from the alogrithim assigning ancestry based on incomplete information due to genotyping, which is what all the big companies do. Even Helix that touted having access to whole-genome sequencing, did not utilize it. The Geno 2.0 test has probably the lowest amount of SNPs tested, compared to any other company.

In addition to consumer genomics companies having different standards on assigning ancestry. They are also looking at incomplete information, they infer that determination on. Both aspect vary from company to company.

There are two options:
GenomeZ and GenomeL

I wonder what's best for us, in the long run.

torzio
11-08-19, 00:41
Scythians,48
Getae,29.2
Germanics,10
Hellenes,5.6
Thracians,2.6
Slavs,2.4
Baltics,2.2

Salento
11-08-19, 03:02
Scythians,48
Getae,29.2
Germanics,10
Hellenes,5.6
Thracians,2.6
Slavs,2.4
Baltics,2.2

:thinking:... I guess, ... your Inverted Closest Samples?

torzio
11-08-19, 03:18
:thinking:... I guess, ... your Inverted Closest Samples?
These are the BC only admixtures.

I was told that getae is a goth-thracian union

Salento
11-08-19, 04:04
These are the BC only admixtures.

I was told that getae is a goth-thracian union

You wrote Hellenes, but somehow I’m thinking Illyrians too.

torzio
11-08-19, 05:09
You wrote Hellenes, but somehow I’m thinking Illyrians too.
The program wrote hellenes....i agree with you on illyrian.
Illyrians oncame from modern day odessa, ukraine area circa 1600bc to basically vienna lands.

I will get further info once my new pc is up and going

matty74
11-08-19, 05:48
I used the same raw data to make 2 separate kits. Both are slightly different from each other. The third (which I deleted) was identical to #2. My 1st kit was the original and I uploaded another copy later on.

#1

Viking Icelandic + Longobard (2.181)
Celt + Longobard (2.314)
Longobard (5.104)
Celt (5.472)
Viking Icelandic (6.764)

#2

Viking Icelandic + Longobard (2.147)
Celt + Longobard (2.239)
Longobard (5.147)
Celt (5.432)
Viking Icelandic (6.814)

matty74
11-08-19, 06:39
My two deep dives are different though. I'm not sure why??

#1

https://i.imgur.com/D96UX8C.png

#2

https://i.imgur.com/CKzyM2Q.png

matty74
11-08-19, 06:47
https://i.imgur.com/L6llYae.jpg

matty74
11-08-19, 07:12
https://youtu.be/bP1iLOqkuoQ

Duarte
11-08-19, 19:15
I was very pleased with the detailing of Portugal doing by LM Genetics. Perfectly consistent with Santarém (Lisbon region and land of my paternal ancestors) and northern Portugal (Oporto, land of my maternal ancestors). Others calculators do not offer this level of detailing of the regions of Portugal.
IMO, I see a great consistency of these results with the matches I have with the ancient MyTrueAncestry samples:

https://i.imgur.com/cqocfuX.png

https://i.imgur.com/tgne8pi.png

nMonte3 oracle
https://i.imgur.com/FZ29o44.png
https://i.imgur.com/0i9VAZf.png
https://i.imgur.com/wcoGEQv.png
CA (Correspondence Analysis plot)
https://i.imgur.com/rEyenb6.png
MDS plot (with minimum spanning tree)
https://i.imgur.com/B6OuAV0.png
Dendrogram (relevant part)
https://i.imgur.com/huwzZP2.png
Correlation map
https://i.imgur.com/T4KKuTx.png

Euclidean distances map
https://i.imgur.com/kcnXDKi.png

https://i.imgur.com/25GzhBQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/gkTm2GN.png
https://i.imgur.com/2f3FjLZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/s0mt0cB.png
https://i.imgur.com/qyflJCJ.png

matty74
12-08-19, 06:42
@Duarte, this is fairly consistent with my LM Genetics Report as well.

https://i.imgur.com/5KzgJOW.png

https://i.imgur.com/uNW28yT.png

matty74
12-08-19, 06:54
https://i.imgur.com/i1BRuhR.png

https://i.imgur.com/35ouZPo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/elCEdiy.jpg

matty74
12-08-19, 06:55
https://i.imgur.com/3pR3PFO.png?1

matty74
12-08-19, 06:56
https://i.imgur.com/KbmDD30.png

Stuvanè
12-08-19, 11:17
I had also run the LM K36 ancestral report last year.
At that time the pie chart was not present to depict the admixture, but only the nearest populations, nor the map with Euclidean values. In any case, the results have always seemed to me to be correct and rather reliable: only some doubts about the reporting of Liguria as my first reference population. Since I don't see nearby Ligurian ancestors in my genealogy, the hypothesis I had then advanced is that in my autosomal some important component attributable to the ancient Friniates, a people who lived in the high plains and the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, is somehow encrypted. They lived mainly in the most internal areas of the provinces of Reggio Emilia, Modena, Pistoia. After the wars and defeats against the Romans in the second century BC if I remember correctly, many of them were deported to various areas, including the plain.
I suppose that for this same reason many of the ancient Samples that attribute to me Mytrueancestry (often ancient and medieval Iberians) are similar to this ancient Ligurian (or Celto-Ligurian) population.



I. Population admixture section


nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry, and works best for individiuals of a non-mixed background. It is also very adept at detecting
subtle regional differences.


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IT_Liguria IT_Emilia-Romagna IT_Tuscany IT_Lombardia IT_Marche IT_Veneto IT_Lazio IT_Trentino
7.106611 7.557949 7.761048 7.848771 9.142833 9.526429 9.949162 10.21612


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
"distance%=5.9514"


IT_Liguria,33.4
IT_Lombardia,22.8
IT_Tuscany,8.4
IT_Ladinia,6.6
IT_Marche,5.6
IT_Lazio,4.6
IT_Veneto,3.4
Sauris_Friuli,3
Cimbri_Lessina,1.8
IT_Campania,1.8
Sicily_Agrigento,1.4
Sicily_Palermo,1.2
IT_Abruzzo,0.8
IT_Apulia,0.8
Sicily_Trapani,0.8
FR_Basque,0.4
IT_Calabria,0.4
Sicily_Caltanisetta,0.4
Sicily_Messina,0.4
FR_South-West,0.2
IT_Friuli,0.2
Sudetenland,0.2
TUN_Bizerta,0.2
TUN_Sousse,0.2

Admix4 oracle (two methods, one of them is more speculative) - all references


Least-squares method.


Using 1 population approximation:


1 IT_Liguria @ 7,121338
2 IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 7,491729
3 IT_Tuscany @ 7,763512
4 IT_Lombardia @ 7,863361
5 IT_Marche @ 9,14301
6 IT_Veneto @ 9,523406
7 IT_Lazio @ 9,950118
8 IT_Trentino @ 10,149658
9 IT_Ladinia @ 10,345232
10 IT_Friuli @ 10,571764
488 iterations.


Using 2 populations approximation:


1 Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 6,453777
2 Islas_Baleares+GR_Thessaly @ 6,461241
3 IT_Lazio+IT_Ladinia @ 6,527824
4 Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 6,573916
5 IT_Lazio+IT_Veneto @ 6,576719
6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Ladinia @ 6,645734
7 Islas_Baleares+South_Albania @ 6,65631
8 Swiss_Italian+GR_Eubea @ 6,665912
9 IT_Lombardia+GR_Eubea @ 6,770862
10 Swiss_Italian+IT_Abruzzo @ 6,795091
119316 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:


1 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Eubea @ 5,553853
2 50% GR_Eubea +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares @ 5,651431
3 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 5,756701
4 50% IT_Tuscany +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Thessaly @ 5,777034
5 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 5,778835
6 50% GR_Eubea +25% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares @ 5,780175
7 50% IT_Liguria +25% IT_Ladinia +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 5,803042
8 50% GR_Thessaly +25% IT_Tuscany +25% Asturia @ 5,81989
9 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Islas_Baleares +25% GR_Chios @ 5,836639
10 50% IT_Liguria +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Eubea @ 5,839799
42048280 iterations.


Using 4 populations approximation:


1 IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,489679
2 IT_Lombardia+IT_Abruzzo+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,493085
3 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,512265
4 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 5,553853
5 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,590509
6 IT_Marche+IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,593941
7 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,595645
8 IT_Lazio+IT_Lombardia+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,604482
9 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Palermo+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipei ros @ 5,625995
10 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Agrigento+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ip eiros @ 5,62766
11 IT_Tuscany+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Eubea @ 5,632124
12 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+North_Albania @ 5,635396
13 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+Kosovo @ 5,638068
14 IT_Lombardia+Sicily_Trapani+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipei ros @ 5,645465
15 IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea+GR_Eubea @ 5,651431
16 IT_Marche+IT_Tuscany+Islas_Baleares+GR_Eubea @ 5,659674
17 IT_Lombardia+IT_Campania+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,66311
18 Swiss_Italian+IT_Campania+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiro s @ 5,669031
19 IT_Liguria+Islas_Baleares+GR_Ipeiros+GR_Eubea @ 5,67655
20 IT_Lombardia+Asturia+GR_Thessaly+GR_Ipeiros @ 5,680977
705705132 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0,130062


Using 1 population approximation:
1 IT_Tuscany @ 3,309671
2 IT_Liguria @ 3,38394
3 IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,508637
4 IT_Lombardia @ 3,754212
5 North_Albania @ 4,253021
6 IT_Abruzzo @ 4,335293
7 IT_Piemonte @ 4,434349
8 South_Albania @ 4,581939
9 IT_Friuli @ 4,648283
10 IT_Ladinia @ 4,669176
488 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:


1 IT_Lombardia+IT_Abruzzo @ 3,096748
2 IT_Tuscany+IT_Lombardia @ 3,113639
3 IT_Lazio+IT_Lombardia @ 3,116062
4 IT_Lazio+Swiss_Italian @ 3,139034
5 IT_Tuscany+IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,195713
6 IT_Tuscany+IT_Liguria @ 3,232746
7 IT_Lombardia+IT_Liguria @ 3,250675
8 Swiss_Italian+IT_Abruzzo @ 3,273168
9 IT_Lazio+IT_Emilia-Romagna @ 3,300874
10 IT_Tuscany+IT_Tuscany @ 3,309671
119316 iterations.


Using 3 populations approximation:


1 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,841519
2 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Ipeiros @ 2,861518
3 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,870897
4 50% IT_Lombardia +25% Swiss_Italian +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,888782
5 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Emilia-Romagna +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,942705
6 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Tuscany +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,947302
7 50% IT_Lombardia +25% FR_Corsica +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,947811
8 50% Swiss_Italian +25% IT_Lazio +25% GR_Thrace @ 2,94874
9 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Lombardia +25% GR_Chios @ 2,950766
10 50% IT_Lombardia +25% IT_Tuscany +25% GR_Kalymnos @ 2,952012






II. Plots / dendrogram section

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67811248_392796318043209_2982588593588928512_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQlW_sR1kU-4h2AQJ1qtHbB3i0SJ7v7Ntq_GHf3iHEHdNeDGZImtu8PIZYJdO xgAHb8&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=8b0054de13b7f0746042a57d074a4eef&oe=5DE45A1E

MDS (with minimum spanning tree)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/68594566_484395665725311_2847819194219626496_n.png ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQlwez08TrdAmoJKpfVSQl8jqyhq83qlN9nxs8uVm0H P_DWJYAdoipBoJ2lqv9ALpTM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=8248b64ed11888e67c6800572e07f6f6&oe=5DCFF819
Dendrogram (relevant part)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/68491582_919116445093671_6928577633441546240_n.png ?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQm9DjbgqYPYLmIVs-cWa7xOCSnO4HP3DxPuxWYxFpHL0CYFIRisq749tOEBAdQFDj8&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=59122aa4dd64f0c39a24f11a214e5513&oe=5DD34EFC

K36 Correlation Map (with the first 100 populations)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/67945477_428337431104956_643131512459362304_n.png? _nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQkSiSC9YTqcWS6O6bYM8eEAl1ZxYVzFzsbgVnJJEnI xTdA91OKCf4CAwoy_6qKqArM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=a31223c11bc22afa6d8aa0b0b1093035&oe=5DE59096


1 IT_Liguria 0,97144
2 IT_Tuscany 0,96844
3 IT_Emilia-Romagna 0,96786
4 IT_Lombardia 0,96586
5 IT_Marche 0,94934
6 IT_Lazio 0,94592
7 IT_Veneto 0,94202
8 Swiss_Italian 0,93606
9 FR_Corsica 0,93552
10 IT_Trentino 0,93455
11 IT_Ladinia 0,93124
12 IT_Friuli 0,92907
13 IT_Piemonte 0,92764
14 GR_Eubea 0,91439
15 North_Albania 0,91356
16 Kosovo 0,91226
17 Ipeiros 0,90729
18 IT_Abruzzo 0,90699
19 IT_Aosta 0,90698
20 South_Albania 0,90439
21 Dutch_Ashkenazy 0,90147
22 Albanians Montenegro 0,89705
23 GR_Thessaly 0,89566
24 Albanians_FYROM0,89023
25 Islas Baleares 0,88605
26 GR_Peloponese 0,87333
27 Sicily_Trapani 0,85991
28 IT_Apulia 0,85933
29 GR_Macedonia1 0,85814
30 GR_Thessaloniki 0,8578
31 Cataluna 0,85462
32 IT_Campania 0,85449
33 FR_Central 0,84844
34 GR_Central 0,84807
35 Portugal 0,84553
36 Sicily_Palermo 0,84173
37 ES_Galicia 0,83785
38 Sicily_Agrigento 0,83592
39 GR_Vlach 0,83539
40 FR_South0,83521
41 Macedonia_FYROM 0,83014
42 Sicily_Caltanisetta 0,82388
43 Canarias0,82387
44 Sicily_Ragusa 0,82283
45 GR_Andros 0,82092
46 Comunidad Valenciana 0,82079
47 Montenegro 0,8185
48 Malta 0,81659
49 GR_Kythira 0,81655
50 FR_Swiss 0,81549
51 IT_Calabria 0,81529
52 Principado de Asturias 0,81487
53 Sicily_Katania 0,81008
54 Sephardi_Portugal(Belmonte) 0,80905
55 Thrace 0,80845
56 Castilla y León 0,80778
57 Castilla-La Mancha 0,80778
58 Bulgaria 0,80592
59 Spanish_mixed 0,80193
60 GR_Cyclades 0,80068
61 Sicily_Messina 0,79839
62 FR_mixed 0,78965
63 Andalusia 0,78635
64 GR_Kalymnos 0,78627
65 Poland_Ashkenazy 0,78494
66 Swiss_German 0,78383
67 Romanian_Jew 0,78186
68 South_Romania 0,78026
69 Tirol 0,77822
70 GR_Chios 0,77181
71 South-East_Romania 0,77143
72 France_Ashkenazy 0,77098
73 Belarus_Ashkenazy 0,7664
74 Sephardi_Bulgaria0,76286
75 Extremadura 0,76198
76 German_Ashkenazy 0,76052
77 GR_Crete 0,75239
78 Latvia_Ashkenazy 0,75045
79 GR_Ikaria 0,74849
80 IT_Bolzano 0,74734
81 Italian_Jew 0,74702
82 Baden-Württemberg 0,74525
83 Serbia 0,74496
84 Cantabria 0,7379
85 Aragón 0,73624
86 North-West_Romania 0,73532
87 GR_Dodecanese 0,72207
88 Rheinland-Pfalz 0,72119
89 FR_North-East 0,70936
90 Saarland0,70847
91 Western Serbians 1 0,70219
92 Western Serbians 2 0,70219
93 North-East_Romania 0,6914
94 IT_Sardinia 0,68719
95 AustroHungarian_Ashkenazy 0,68653
96 La Rioja 0,68476
97 Moroccan_Jew 0,68311
98 Walloons0,68116
99 South-West_Romania 0,67902
100 Sephardi_Turkey 0,66679

Stuvanè
12-08-19, 12:24
I must say that in the same way I appreciated the Eurogenes K36 calculator combined with the Oracle of nMonte with reference to the findings of Szólád, Collegno and other ancient and late antique samples (it's available on yourdnaportal.com)


Closest population distances

Population
Distance


CL36_north-Italian
0.9910701


SZ36_north-Italian
1.1891711


SZ28_north-Italian
1.2160251


CL121__north-Italian
1.3294021


SZ43_north-Italian
1.4221923


SZ32_north-Italian
1.4702894


CL23_north-Italian
1.4754335


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.512881





Population percentages
Population Value

SZ28_north-Italian 24
CL121__north-Italian 16.2
SZ36_north-Italian 12.6
CL23_north-Italian 6.2
SZ18_Pannonian 6
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 5.4
CL36_north-Italian 4.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan 2.6
EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 2.4
CL47_Alpine 2.2
BA_I9041_Mycenaean 1.6
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE412 1.2
N_Levant_AinGhazal4 1
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 1
I3578_EMA_Andalusia 0.8
BA_Hungary_BR2 0.6
CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.6
CL30_Greek_south-Italian 0.6
DA199HungaryMedieval 0.6
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.6
MN_Germany_I0559 0.6
SZ32_north-Italian 0.6
EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.4
I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.4
MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.4
N_Germany_I0048 0.4
SZ38_Longobard 0.4
SZ45_Pannonian 0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.2
BA_I9006_Mycenean 0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032 0.2
BA_Sydon 0.2
CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.2
CHL_Iran_I1665 0.2
CL94_Iberian 0.2
CWC_Poland_RISE1 0.2
EIA_F38_Iran 0.2
EMA_Italian_STR_502 0.2
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
I1388_Beaker_South_France 0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE397 0.2
MN_Iberia_I0407 0.2
N_Germany_I0795 0.2
N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2 0.2
Scythian009_Ukraine 0.2
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.2

Angela
12-08-19, 14:42
I had also run the LM K36 ancestral report last year.
At that time the pie chart was not present to depict the admixture, but only the nearest populations, nor the map with Euclidean values. In any case, the results have always seemed to me to be correct and rather reliable: only some doubts about the reporting of Liguria as my first reference population. Since I don't see nearby Ligurian ancestors in my genealogy, the hypothesis I had then advanced is that in my autosomal some important component attributable to the ancient Friniates, a people who lived in the high plains and the Tuscan-Emilian Apennines, is somehow encrypted. They lived mainly in the most internal areas of the provinces of Reggio Emilia, Modena, Pistoia. After the wars and defeats against the Romans in the second century BC if I remember correctly, many of them were deported to various areas, including the plain.
I suppose that for this same reason many of the ancient Samples that attribute to me Mytrueancestry (often ancient and medieval Iberians) are similar to this ancient Ligurian (or Celto-Ligurian) population.



I. Population admixture section


nMonte3 provides you with frequencies related to your recent ancestry, and works best for individiuals of a non-mixed background. It is also very adept at detecting
subtle regional differences.


"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"


IT_Liguria IT_Emilia-Romagna IT_Tuscany IT_Lombardia IT_Marche IT_Veneto IT_Lazio IT_Trentino
7.106611 7.557949 7.761048 7.848771 9.142833 9.526429 9.949162 10.21612


"2. FULL TABLE nMONTE" (estimated percentages)
"distance%=5.9514"


IT_Liguria,33.4
IT_Lombardia,22.8
IT_Tuscany,8.4
IT_Ladinia,6.6
IT_Marche,5.6
IT_Lazio,4.6
IT_Veneto,3.4
Sauris_Friuli,3
Cimbri_Lessina,1.8
IT_Campania,1.8
Sicily_Agrigento,1.4
Sicily_Palermo,1.2
IT_Abruzzo,0.8
IT_Apulia,0.8
Sicily_Trapani,0.8
FR_Basque,0.4
IT_Calabria,0.4
Sicily_Caltanisetta,0.4
Sicily_Messina,0.4
FR_South-West,0.2
IT_Friuli,0.2
Sudetenland,0.2
TUN_Bizerta,0.2
TUN_Sousse,0.2



I was just reading about that last night in my book on Northern Italy during the Roman Era. It was a deliberate policy pursued by the Romans to "pacify" the area and bring the people under the control of the large urban centers they were establishing. Of course, not all of them went. In the 500s of the modern era, some "hill" people were still hiding out in the lower Apennines in the Lunigiana worshiping their stone idols, because the chronicles say the Bishop of Sarzana had to send priests up there to smash them.

However, Liguria is, for such a small province, very diverse genetically in my experience, western from eastern, coastal from foothills of the mountains. I don't know what sample they're using. Where the samples were collected could explain the closeness.

For example, if it's the sample incorrectly labeled Piemonte that some people use, the people speak a Ligurian dialect, and the villages all have Ligure in their names, but the area borders Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia as well as Liguria. It can't be categorized as strictly "Ligurian", but neither is it really Piemonte. It's its own particular "mix" of Northern Italian. I think if enough people up in the northern Apennines and the Apuan Alps were tested before the real "locals" all die off, you'd find differences from valley to valley, as is the case in mountainous parts of Northeastern Italy.

Angela
12-08-19, 16:44
I was just reading about that last night in my book on Northern Italy during the Roman Era. It was a deliberate policy pursued by the Romans to "pacify" the area and bring the people under the control of the large urban centers they were establishing. Of course, not all of them went. In the 500s of the modern era, some "hill" people were still hiding out in the lower Apennines in the Lunigiana worshiping their stone idols, because the chronicles say the Bishop of Sarzana had to send priests up there to smash them.

However, Liguria is, for such a small province, very diverse genetically in my experience, western from eastern, coastal from foothills of the mountains. I don't know what sample they're using. Where the samples were collected could explain the closeness.

For example, if it's the sample incorrectly labeled Piemonte that some people use, the people speak a Ligurian dialect, and the villages all have Ligure in their names, but the area borders Piemonte, Lombardia, and Emilia as well as Liguria. It can't be categorized as strictly "Ligurian", but neither is it really Piemonte. It's its own particular "mix" of Northern Italian. I think if enough people up in the northern Apennines and the Apuan Alps were tested before the real "locals" all die off, you'd find differences from valley to valley, as is the case in mountainous parts of Northeastern Italy.

I've been clearing out drawers and came upon some older pictures of my brother. He's your "type", although lighter haired, if I may make a personal comment: a real Emilian. :)

As soon as I get a minute I'll upload it and send it to you.

Joey37
12-08-19, 16:56
11273To those of you who have tested with more than one service, have you compared the kits at Mytrueancestry.com? My 23andMe kit and Ancestry kit give somewhat divergent results. Since I am a mere peasant who refuses to pay for upgrades, I had to delete one kit and replace it with the other. On my Ancestry kit my closest matches are Franks, Visigoths, and Icelandic Vikings, with degree of separation 5-6, while my 23andMe kit the closest people are Gauls, Franks, and Visigoths, with degrees 7-10. My closest sample Ancestry match is Bell Beaker Scotland, 3.66, while in 23andMe Bell Beaker Scotland is third closest with 8.352! (my closest 23andMe sample is Germanic Lombard, 7.901). At GEDmatch I ran Eurogenes K36 on both kits and averaged out between them (it was the same components on both, but slightly different percentages), then put in the averages to the French Taux de Similitude map and got this

Angela
12-08-19, 17:48
Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany. :)



Population
Distance


SZ36_north-Italian
1.06171


CL36_north-Italian
1.106543


Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
1.257098


CL23_north-Italian
1.38232


SZ32_north-Italian
1.385821


SZ43_north-Italian
1.438646


CL121__north-Italian
1.574715


CL94_Iberian
1.610857


The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c24.8CL36_north-Italian10.8SZ36_north-Italian9CL23_north-Italian7.8SZ40_Italian6.6EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_15.2CL94_Iberian4.8SZ43_north-Italian4CL121__north-Italian3.8I3578_EMA_Andalusia2.6SZ37_Greek-Italian2.6BA_Hungary_RISE4832.4CL30_Greek_south-Italian2.2i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD1.8BA_I904 1_Mycenaean1.6CL102_Frankish1.4BA_Hungary_RISE3741 CHL_Armenia_I14071SZ19_Italian-Balkan0.8CL31_Greek_Balkan0.6N_Levant__AinGhazal30 .6BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi0.4CL87_Longobard0.4I3759_ Celtiberian0.4LBA_Armenia_RISE3960.4SZ14_Longobard 0.4Visigoth_I120320.4Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_2480.2 CHL_Iran_I16650.2CHL_Iran_I16700.2CWC_Swden__RISE1 790.2EMA_Alpine_AED_5130.2I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.2IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL0.2LBA_Armenia_RISE3970.2LB A_Armenia_RISE4080.2MBA_Armenia_RISE4230.2i3759_Ce ltiberian_IA0.2

Stuvanè
12-08-19, 18:20
Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany. :)



Population

Distance



SZ36_north-Italian

1.06171



CL36_north-Italian

1.106543



Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

1.257098



CL23_north-Italian

1.38232



SZ32_north-Italian

1.385821



SZ43_north-Italian

1.438646



CL121__north-Italian

1.574715



CL94_Iberian

1.610857



The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

24.8

CL36_north-Italian

10.8

SZ36_north-Italian

9

CL23_north-Italian

7.8

SZ40_Italian

6.6

EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

5.2

CL94_Iberian

4.8

SZ43_north-Italian

4

CL121__north-Italian

3.8

I3578_EMA_Andalusia

2.6

SZ37_Greek-Italian

2.6

BA_Hungary_RISE483

2.4

CL30_Greek_south-Italian

2.2

i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

1.8

BA_I9041_Mycenaean

1.6

CL102_Frankish

1.4

BA_Hungary_RISE374

1

CHL_Armenia_I1407

1

SZ19_Italian-Balkan

0.8

CL31_Greek_Balkan

0.6

N_Levant__AinGhazal3

0.6

BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

0.4

CL87_Longobard

0.4

I3759_Celtiberian

0.4

LBA_Armenia_RISE396

0.4

SZ14_Longobard

0.4

Visigoth_I12032

0.4

Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1665

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1670

0.2

CWC_Swden__RISE179

0.2

EMA_Alpine_AED_513

0.2

I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

0.2

IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE397

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE408

0.2

MBA_Armenia_RISE423

0.2

i3759_Celtiberian_IA

0.2



Yes, that "italian" guy, lost among Alemanni groups, is really intriguing :) Maybe a frontier soldier or a merchant put in a situation not very dissimilar from that Greek - of which Priscus of Panion spoke - who had gone to live with Attila's Huns, even finding a Hun wife, because he was tired of abuse and corruption of decadent Rome...

Btw here is a paper

https://bia.unibz.it/bitstream/handle/10863/6792/Ancient%20genomewide%20analyses%20infer%20kinship% 20structure%20in%20an%20Early%20Medieval%20Alemann ic%20graveyard.pdf?sequence=2

Duarte
12-08-19, 21:04
I must say that in the same way I appreciated the Eurogenes K36 calculator combined with the Oracle of nMonte with reference to the findings of Szólád, Collegno and other ancient and late antique samples (it's available on yourdnaportal.com)


Closest population distances



Population
Distance


CL36_north-Italian
0.9910701


SZ36_north-Italian
1.1891711


SZ28_north-Italian
1.2160251


CL121__north-Italian
1.3294021


SZ43_north-Italian
1.4221923


SZ32_north-Italian
1.4702894


CL23_north-Italian
1.4754335


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.512881





Population percentages


Population Value

SZ28_north-Italian 24
CL121__north-Italian 16.2
SZ36_north-Italian 12.6
CL23_north-Italian 6.2
SZ18_Pannonian 6
Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c 5.4
CL36_north-Italian 4.6
SZ19_Italian-Balkan 2.6
EMA_north-Italian_FN_2 2.4
CL47_Alpine 2.2
BA_I9041_Mycenaean 1.6
CL38_Greek_south-Italian 1.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE412 1.2
N_Levant_AinGhazal4 1
Visigoth_Iberian_I12034 1
I3578_EMA_Andalusia 0.8
BA_Hungary_BR2 0.6
CHL_Anatolian_I1584 0.6
CL30_Greek_south-Italian 0.6
DA199HungaryMedieval 0.6
I2462_Bronze_Age_England_Kent 0.6
MN_Germany_I0559 0.6
SZ32_north-Italian 0.6
EMA_Greek_STR_300 0.4
I10851_medieval_Catalonia 0.4
I1979_Beaker_North_Italy 0.4
MBA_Germany__RISE471 0.4
N_Germany_I0048 0.4
SZ38_Longobard 0.4
SZ45_Pannonian 0.4
BA_Hungary_RISE374 0.2
BA_I9006_Mycenean 0.2
BA_Portugal_TorreVelha_32032 0.2
BA_Sydon 0.2
CHL_Armenia_I1407 0.2
CHL_Iran_I1665 0.2
CL94_Iberian 0.2
CWC_Poland_RISE1 0.2
EIA_F38_Iran 0.2
EMA_Italian_STR_502 0.2
EMA_north-Italian_NW_54 0.2
EN_Anatolia_Tepe002 0.2
I10892_Catalonia_medieval 0.2
I1388_Beaker_South_France 0.2
LBA_Armenia_RISE397 0.2
MN_Iberia_I0407 0.2
N_Germany_I0795 0.2
N_Sweden_N_Gökhem2 0.2
Scythian009_Ukraine 0.2
i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD 0.2



Slightly different from yours, Stuvane, as makes sense given I'm further west and closer to Toscana.

I'm intrigued by the poor Italian stranded in Germany. :)



Population
Distance


SZ36_north-Italian
1.06171


CL36_north-Italian
1.106543


Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c
1.257098


CL23_north-Italian
1.38232


SZ32_north-Italian
1.385821


SZ43_north-Italian
1.438646


CL121__north-Italian
1.574715


CL94_Iberian
1.610857


The dash of Iberian like ancestry is no surprise either. It shows up with modern populations too.

Closer than I am to any modern populations, btw. Maybe it has something to do with the isolation of both of my areas of ancestry? I'm pretty far from both modern Bergamo and Toscana, around 4 something for both.

Niederstotzingen_north-Italian_3c

24.8

CL36_north-Italian

10.8

SZ36_north-Italian

9

CL23_north-Italian

7.8

SZ40_Italian

6.6

EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1

5.2

CL94_Iberian

4.8

SZ43_north-Italian

4

CL121__north-Italian

3.8

I3578_EMA_Andalusia

2.6

SZ37_Greek-Italian

2.6

BA_Hungary_RISE483

2.4

CL30_Greek_south-Italian

2.2

i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

1.8

BA_I9041_Mycenaean

1.6

CL102_Frankish

1.4

BA_Hungary_RISE374

1

CHL_Armenia_I1407

1

SZ19_Italian-Balkan

0.8

CL31_Greek_Balkan

0.6

N_Levant__AinGhazal3

0.6

BA_I9123_Crete_Armenoi

0.4

CL87_Longobard

0.4

I3759_Celtiberian

0.4

LBA_Armenia_RISE396

0.4

SZ14_Longobard

0.4

Visigoth_I12032

0.4

Baiuvarii_Germanic_STR_248

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1665

0.2

CHL_Iran_I1670

0.2

CWC_Swden__RISE179

0.2

EMA_Alpine_AED_513

0.2

I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

0.2

IA_Wielbark_Mas_5_PL

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE397

0.2

LBA_Armenia_RISE408

0.2

MBA_Armenia_RISE423

0.2

i3759_Celtiberian_IA

0.2



@Stuvanè @Angela

I think that “Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com” is a cool calculator, but in my particular case, it takes a little more effort in interpreting the results so as not to come to the hasty conclusion that I am an Italo-descendant and not a Luso-descendant :)

Hugs dear friends. :good_job: :smile:


Your nMonte3 oracle results nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36


Closest population distances



Population

Distance



EMA_north-Italian_FN_2

1.094853



CL94_Iberian

1.426082



CL36_north-Italian

1.45807



BA_Hungary_RISE373

1.583685



CL57_north-Italian

1.657397



SZ43_north-Italian

1.663955



CL23_north-Italian

1.762547



SZ45_Pannonian

1.788929




Population percentages





Population

Value



EMA_north-Italian_FN_2

45.4



I3578_EMA_Andalusia

14



BA_Hungary_RISE373

8.4



CL57_north-Italian

5.6



CL36_north-Italian

4.8



SZ43_north-Italian

4



BA_Hungary_RISE247

1.8



BA_Hungary_RISE374

1.4



MN_Germany_I0560

1.2



SZ18_Pannonian

1



BA_Hungary_RISE480

0.8



EMA_Balkan_AED_125

0.8



MA2197_Anatolia_IA

0.8



N_Greece_Revenia5

0.6



N_Hungary_NE4

0.6



N_Sweden_Gokhem5

0.6



i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD

0.6



BA_I9041_Mycenaean

0.4



CL121__north-Italian

0.4



CL63_Alpine

0.4



CL94_Iberian

0.4



CWC_Denmark_RISE61

0.4



EMA_Alpine_STR_328

0.4



N_Sweden_Gokhem4

0.4



SZ28_north-Italian

0.4



Amerindian_Kennewick

0.2



BA_Hungary_BR2

0.2



BA_Hungary_RISE371

0.2



BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117

0.2



CL47_Alpine

0.2



DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak

0.2



EMA_Alpine_STR_535

0.2



EMA_Greek_STR_300

0.2



EMA_north-Italian_NW_54

0.2



I1767_Beaker_Britain

0.2



I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton

0.2



I1979_Beaker_North_Italy

0.2



I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP

0.2



MN_Germany_I0807

0.2



N_Germany_I0048

0.2



N_Hungary_NE2

0.2



N_Hungary_NE3

0.2



SZ37_Greek-Italian

0.2



SZ38_Longobard

0.2



SZ42_Longobard

0.2



TAF009_Iberomaurasian

0.2



ela001_South_Africa_400BP

0.2

Stuvanè
13-08-19, 14:00
@Stuvanè @Angela

I think that “Your nMonte3 oracle results
nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36 of yourdnaportal.com” is a cool calculator, but in my particular case, it takes a little more effort in interpreting the results so as not to come to the hasty conclusion that I am an Italo-descendant and not a Luso-descendant :)

Hugs dear friends. :good_job: :smile:


Your nMonte3 oracle results nMonte3 calculator Eurogenes K36


Closest population distances



Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
1.094853


CL94_Iberian
1.426082


CL36_north-Italian
1.45807


BA_Hungary_RISE373
1.583685


CL57_north-Italian
1.657397


SZ43_north-Italian
1.663955


CL23_north-Italian
1.762547


SZ45_Pannonian
1.788929



Population percentages





Population
Value


EMA_north-Italian_FN_2
45.4


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
14


BA_Hungary_RISE373
8.4


CL57_north-Italian
5.6


CL36_north-Italian
4.8


SZ43_north-Italian
4


BA_Hungary_RISE247
1.8


BA_Hungary_RISE374
1.4


MN_Germany_I0560
1.2


SZ18_Pannonian
1


BA_Hungary_RISE480
0.8


EMA_Balkan_AED_125
0.8


MA2197_Anatolia_IA
0.8


N_Greece_Revenia5
0.6


N_Hungary_NE4
0.6


N_Sweden_Gokhem5
0.6


i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
0.6


BA_I9041_Mycenaean
0.4


CL121__north-Italian
0.4


CL63_Alpine
0.4


CL94_Iberian
0.4


CWC_Denmark_RISE61
0.4


EMA_Alpine_STR_328
0.4


N_Sweden_Gokhem4
0.4


SZ28_north-Italian
0.4


Amerindian_Kennewick
0.2


BA_Hungary_BR2
0.2


BA_Hungary_RISE371
0.2


BA_Unetice_Germany_I0117
0.2


CL47_Alpine
0.2


DA87_Kazakhstan_Kimak
0.2


EMA_Alpine_STR_535
0.2


EMA_Greek_STR_300
0.2


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
0.2


I1767_Beaker_Britain
0.2


I1767_EarlyBronze_Age_Briton
0.2


I1979_Beaker_North_Italy
0.2


I2298_published_Tanzania_Pemba_600BP
0.2


MN_Germany_I0807
0.2


N_Germany_I0048
0.2


N_Hungary_NE2
0.2


N_Hungary_NE3
0.2


SZ37_Greek-Italian
0.2


SZ38_Longobard
0.2


SZ42_Longobard
0.2


TAF009_Iberomaurasian
0.2


ela001_South_Africa_400BP
0.2









@Duarte,

In fact the matter is curious :) , but sifting through several previous posts I notice that you are not the only person of Iberian ancestry who has similarity to these medieval samples of northern Italy (of which I have not yet understood much and I wonder if there is around some publications on the subject).
The hypothesis I put forward is that it may be some individual not dissimilar to certain samples of today in northern Italy (Bergamo in particular), also used in Gedmatch calculators, in whose ancestral components the "Atlantic" quota is abundant and thus become almost "facsimiles" of the ancient Iberians

Jovialis
13-08-19, 14:33
Here is mine:

https://i.imgur.com/62HNhtf.png

Duarte
13-08-19, 21:52
@Duarte,

In fact the matter is curious :) , but sifting through several previous posts I notice that you are not the only person of Iberian ancestry who has similarity to these medieval samples of northern Italy (of which I have not yet understood much and I wonder if there is around some publications on the subject).
The hypothesis I put forward is that it may be some individual not dissimilar to certain samples of today in northern Italy (Bergamo in particular), also used in Gedmatch calculators, in whose ancestral components the "Atlantic" quota is abundant and thus become almost "facsimiles" of the ancient Iberians

You are right @ Stuvanè. One of the things I learned reading the Eupedia threads is that there is some genetic overlap between Northern Italians and Iberians. Good thing I am now instructed about this. The report presented by LM Genetics is quite complete and even displays the results of an nMonte3 calculator that they consider highly speculative and that I present below as a mere curiosity. I endorse the caution they made, since if I were to consider the results presented literally I would throw away all the effort that I have done to comprove my main ancestry as Portuguese. LOLOL. Big hug dear friend. :)

https://i.imgur.com/9QwAjaK.png

Salento
14-08-19, 01:47
K36 Ancient

https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg

... on a need to know basis ...

Edit:
Omit the long non important results, ... ‘cause of Reverse Data Engineering (figuring out pre-oracle results, or partial Raw-Data / SNPs by using the numbers of the results (breach of privacy) :grin:

torzio
14-08-19, 08:28
mine

https://i.postimg.cc/59834PhG/k36-latest-vettor-2018.jpg

below the tuscan numbers are basically useless
(https://postimg.cc/qgMnQGMX)

torzio
14-08-19, 08:32
K36 Ancient

https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg

... on a need to know basis ...

Edit:
... ‘cause of Reverse Data Engineering :grin:

where is this program ?

Salento
14-08-19, 12:29
where is this program ?

K36 with Ancient Genome Oracle

yourdnaportal.com

torzio
14-08-19, 19:47
K36 with Ancient Genome Oracle

yourdnaportal.com


Thanks I lost everything when my old PC died......got a new one....so fast it loads before i even sit down:laughing:

Closest population distances



Population

Distance



EMA_north-Italian_NW_54

1.197928



CL36_north-Italian

1.237396



CL57_north-Italian

1.330768



SZ28_north-Italian

1.438457



SZ43_north-Italian

1.541763



CL63_Alpine

1.577491



SZ37_Greek-Italian

1.615911



BA_Hungary_BR2

1.63093




............................................




Population
Percentage


Amerindian
0.00%


Siberian
0.00%


Euro Hunter-Gatherer
41.13%


Oceanian
0.63%


Sub-Saharan
0.04%


Southeast Asian
0.00%


Linearbandkeramik
41.01%


South-Central Asian
17.20%

Salento
14-08-19, 20:46
Thanks I lost everything when my old PC died......got a new one....so fast it loads before i even sit down:laughing:
Closest population distances


Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.197928


CL36_north-Italian
1.237396


CL57_north-Italian
1.330768


SZ28_north-Italian
1.438457


SZ43_north-Italian
1.541763


CL63_Alpine
1.577491


SZ37_Greek-Italian
1.615911


BA_Hungary_BR2
1.63093


............................................


Population
Percentage


Amerindian
0.00%


Siberian
0.00%


Euro Hunter-Gatherer
41.13%


Oceanian
0.63%


Sub-Saharan
0.04%


Southeast Asian
0.00%


Linearbandkeramik
41.01%


South-Central Asian
17.20%



You’re welcome, Godspeed the new PC :good_job:

3D PCA Mix + ... Live Forever :)


https://youtu.be/8-3uJh4kkj8

https://i.imgur.com/ur4cHeV.jpg

K36 Ancient

https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg

vinb94
19-08-19, 23:59
Hi everyone,


Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.048)
Hellenic Roman (7.846)
Roman (8.932)
Ancient Greek + Roman (9.298)
Ancient Greek (14.62)


1. Greek_Thessaly (5.412)
2. Italian_Abruzzo (6.718)
3. Central_Greek (7.037)
4. Greek (7.820)
5. East_Sicilian (7.876)
6. Greek_Crete (8.370)
7. West_Sicilian (8.587)
8. Ashkenazi (8.604)

My known ancestry is Gheg Albanian.

italouruguayan
20-08-19, 01:50
Have you seen the new populations of the Americas?
It is surely not a topic of interest for most of the forum participants. But I saw something that catches my attention ... the populations with which I have greater affinity (Pacific Northwest Amerindian -55.04-) are North American. The South American population closest to present-day Uruguay (the Wichi tribe of Argentina) is in the place 42 (84.32). Brazilian tribes are listed below. Shouldn't I have more affinity with South American populations? This inaccuracy ... would not be extended to other populations?

Salento
20-08-19, 03:54
Have you seen the new populations of the Americas?
It is surely not a topic of interest for most of the forum participants. But I saw something that catches my attention ... the populations with which I have greater affinity (Pacific Northwest Amerindian -55.04-) are North American. The South American population closest to present-day Uruguay (the Wichi tribe of Argentina) is in the place 42 (84.32). Brazilian tribes are listed below. Shouldn't I have more affinity with South American populations? This inaccuracy ... would not be extended to other populations?

Maybe they need more reliable samples.
Until recently, for a variety of reasons, many Native American Tribes in the United States, actively asked their members not to get DNA tested, and they went to Court to stop any testing from old burials, they also asked for the reburial of their Desecrated Ancestors.

My results:
Currently you have no ancient Americas samples

torzio
20-08-19, 23:51
https://i.postimg.cc/nrQgCS3k/trueKits.png


Legend:
LEP = father
SMP = sister
VGP = myself
MGP = my wife

You = my 2nd cousin paternal side from Val di Non Trentino

his ancient matches
1. Central Roman (670 AD) (5.549) - CL36 (https://postimages.org/) (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.369) - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.084) - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.479) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) (8.056) - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.625) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (9.109) - scy192 (Click for more info)


(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)Roman + Illyrian (3.211)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.365)
Roman (5.549)
Gallo-Roman (7.479)
Illyrian (8.625)
(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Salento
21-08-19, 01:09
https://i.postimg.cc/nrQgCS3k/trueKits.png


Legend:
LEP = father
SMP = sister
VGP = myself
MGP = my wife

You = my 2nd cousin paternal side from Val di Non Trentino

his ancient matches
1. Central Roman (670 AD) (5.549) - CL36 (https://postimages.org/) (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
2. Central Roman (590 AD) (6.369) - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
3. Central Roman (590 AD) (7.084) - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) (7.479) - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
5. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) (8.056) - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) (8.625) - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) (9.109) - scy192 (Click for more info)


(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)Roman + Illyrian (3.211)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.365)
Roman (5.549)
Gallo-Roman (7.479)
Illyrian (8.625)
(https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

I think that another one of your close relatives dwells in my surroundings.
She’s a Girl, so she can’t be your clone, and she’s also Beautiful. LoL

(You) it’s Her (Italian-American):
https://i.imgur.com/wcz2rns.jpg

torzio
21-08-19, 01:40
I think that another one of your close relatives dwells in my surroundings.
She’s a Girl, so she can’t be your clone, and she’s also Beautiful. LoL

(You) it’s Her:
https://i.imgur.com/wcz2rns.jpg
I do not know what you mean........the you is my female cousin via paternal side ......she is mtdna of T1a1e

what is "which dwells in your surroundings" mean?

Salento
21-08-19, 01:53
I do not know what you mean........the you is my female cousin via paternal side ......she is mtdna of T1a1e

what is "which dwells in your surroundings" mean?

An Italian-American Girl that matches your position in her results.
look again at her results, YOU = Italian-American Girl:
https://i.imgur.com/wcz2rns.jpg

torzio
21-08-19, 02:09
An Italian-American Girl that matches your position in her results.
look again at her results (YOU = Italian-American Girl):
https://i.imgur.com/wcz2rns.jpg

my You is for kit ...............Kit: TBas (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)


sorry for confusing everyone
below is me as you
https://i.postimg.cc/vTDBFFL3/tbas.png (https://postimages.org/)

torzio
21-08-19, 02:16
which is this Italian-American ?............is her surname Kelly or Cisneros ?

Salento
21-08-19, 02:41
which is this Italian-American ?............is her surname Kelly or Cisneros ?


You are not related to Her, and her surname is not Kelly or Cisneros.

The image I posted is the result of an Italian-American girl that I know.

I was just pointing out how Similar Her results are to the results of your Family.

I was being sarcastic when I said that she’s your relative.

That’s all :)

torzio
21-08-19, 03:04
You are not related to Her, and her surname is not Kelly or Cisneros.

The image I posted is the result of an Italian-American girl that I know.

I was just pointing out how Similar Her results are to the results of your Family.

I was being sarcastic when I said that she’s your relative.

That’s all :)
:good_job:

Lenab
22-08-19, 18:41
My Mother has Caucasus ( Armenian/Azerbaijani ) Serbian and Greek ancestry she was born in Lebanon and she is a Muslim. I find it interesting how Muslims in the Levant are getting Levantine/Roman scores normal Roman scores etc I wonder if my family were under discrimination for being Christian under the Ottoman rule. From my K36 on Ged match I got Greco/Anatolian ( which is probably from the Caucasus part ) and Greco or Greco Slavic from the European. This ''Mytrueancestry'' website doesn't pick up much Near Eastern at all apart from one Crusader/Lebanon result and one and one Anatolian or Hellenic Anatolian. Everything else was Balkan so slightly different to what k36 given me on GED

Lenab
22-08-19, 18:46
h (https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11334)https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11335https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11334https://www.eupedia.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11333

Lenab
22-08-19, 19:06
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66469970_2315252765461217_1143588837025382400_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQmO5HWafrKuYdJB30fFCC0tFQlf92rHZnqLaG-8AaTU2XiwkRA5L-faGyd4byItd1cBB_8ecEg60RP9XVv5761a&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=1a331a2236e91f2ba7db9a2f4cf1d229&oe=5DCFF138https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67111632_2325115921141568_4460848064071991296_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQnaa1pTtVW3chnuQwxE-N-uNCm3e1bz8_9TYM0hTqJOurU156sI9kMyeBkuFkxKmqh0k1YDa qZdm1QPaA3qbl3C&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=d37046a5628acf82fb14a6399f84b283&oe=5DD3ACC9https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67628483_2325116034474890_7978525570549940224_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQkOHROZ_eEIwVWTCMLKQcRJx2LjPlrAF4BizHowft0 55npL7YRv8Sxs2mGNRXU7pQvJZSra_QIxZenDpVM2TxUK&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=83fdfd26f7af9fe7e02c455555a1c641&oe=5DD658C8https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67710380_2325115951141565_2736221040333029376_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQn5lYs4ePn4x6_Pnr-D8LC-6HQ0ISKAdGM72UvEIHldcs2ZgWG6ISufSMS7kfN_2C7PrYQ5EG RhnjoG1GtPUWZz&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=40d4bce411ddbd49e9bc17bc8139ec13&oe=5DCF0A53https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/62418299_2294012537585240_4285132074295230464_n.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQm1NjCKSvTEkChH9UfQ_A0-X19CRWmvHfpMxNTPjiU5fVCpOZn-uSY8P_7KmPN_Iy0vk-D6n_9H289WV19JzyzK&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=f7a407228325eb5aefa54f41a81c6186&oe=5DCB12D0

Lenab
22-08-19, 19:08
Can someone please explain to me what Hellenic Anatolia means ( even though it's kind of self explanatory ) and also what Roman Hispania means. It sounds as if it's Roman in the Hispania/Iberian region? Or Basque region?

Lenab
23-08-19, 19:30
Hi everyone,


Hellenic Roman + Roman (5.048)
Hellenic Roman (7.846)
Roman (8.932)
Ancient Greek + Roman (9.298)
Ancient Greek (14.62)


1. Greek_Thessaly (5.412)
2. Italian_Abruzzo (6.718)
3. Central_Greek (7.037)
4. Greek (7.820)
5. East_Sicilian (7.876)
6. Greek_Crete (8.370)
7. West_Sicilian (8.587)
8. Ashkenazi (8.604)

My known ancestry is Gheg Albanian.
I just read that. Funny how I am closer Kosovans than a North Albanian but you're closer to North Greeks

Jovialis
23-08-19, 20:33
There's new samples from the Reich et al 2019 paper on Iberia, The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years :

https://i.imgur.com/mOZafmi.png

TardisBlue
23-08-19, 20:50
Al-Andalus!

https://i.ibb.co/gWP2fy0/Capture-d-cran-2019-08-23-20-39-07.png

torzio
23-08-19, 20:59
There's new samples from the Reich et al 2019 paper on Iberia, The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years :

https://i.imgur.com/mOZafmi.png

thanks

what does the boxed number mean and can it be sorted?.............they do not represent any type of sort order with other users

torzio
23-08-19, 21:06
mine .......after this set , the other are more than 13.0000



1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.349 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 8.469 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.971 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.665 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.851 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.03 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.08 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

9. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.21 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 96% match vs all users

10. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.57 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 96% match vs all users

11. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 11.65 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

12. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.91 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

13. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 12.0 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 91% match vs all users

14. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.33 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 12.33 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

16. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

TardisBlue
23-08-19, 21:16
About the boxed numbers, this is what they say on their FB page: "See how close you compare to your deep dive and Ancient Samples against other users! Are you in the top 99% of your favorite deep dive match? Take the challenge."

I guess I'll need to upgrade at some point :angry:

https://i.ibb.co/4RJFY9s/Capture-d-cran-2019-08-23-21-19-31.png

torzio
23-08-19, 21:18
About the boxed numbers, this is what they say on their FB page: "See how close you compare to your deep dive and Ancient Samples against other users! Are you in the top 99% of your favorite deep dive match? Take the challenge."

thanks

see below....what does the orange dot mean.......I need to reload a fresh sample of myself or else this is the original upload? ..............it seems to me to want to ask, are any maps on this site reliable!

https://i.postimg.cc/hjVmyzbK/ancient-me-august19.png (https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
23-08-19, 21:30
MTA -New features
https://i.imgur.com/GTJ5cN8.png
https://i.imgur.com/elNS9ko.png
https://i.imgur.com/1jSsUHH.png
https://i.imgur.com/jxdFrLg.png

torzio
23-08-19, 23:56
my father only has one sample on map

https://i.postimg.cc/RVZ3fb8S/my-father.png (https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
24-08-19, 00:10
my father only has one sample on map

https://i.postimg.cc/RVZ3fb8S/my-father.png (https://postimages.org/)

Try to upload his kit again. I did that with mine. Hugs :)

Angela
24-08-19, 00:19
I get tons of these Spaniards; they're pushing everyone else down.

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 3.604 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 4.502 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.736 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

4. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 9.603 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

5. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.674 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

6. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.687 - CL121 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

7. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.03 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

8. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 10.07 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

9. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.16 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

10. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.27 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

11. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.29 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

12. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.53 - I12515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

13. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 10.78 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

14. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.81 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

15. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 11.88 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

16. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 11.96 - I3981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

17. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 12.1 - SI-41 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

18. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 12.44 - I7425 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

19. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.47 - I4331 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

20. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.62 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

21. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 12.62 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 13.46 - I3575 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

23. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 13.53 - SZ19 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

24. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 13.9 - LSD021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

25. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.25 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91% match vs all users

26. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.36 - I3581 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

27. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.48 - SI-53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

28. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.5 - I12514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94% match vs all users

29. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.52 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86% match vs all users

30. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.54 - I7498 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95% match vs all users

31. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.77 - I3582 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

32. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.0 - I7499 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

33. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 15.02 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

34. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 15.07 - I3585 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95% match vs all users

35. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 15.15 - I3576 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

36. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 15.19 - I3983 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

37. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 15.19 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
78% match vs all users

38. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 15.38 - I3982 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

39. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 15.46 - SZ40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93% match vs all users

40. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 15.55 - I12644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

Anyone figure out what Iberian Taifa means?

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)Scythian Moldova
290 BC
scy311



Total cM=25.04
Largest segment=12.0 cM (6 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is
99% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

2.57 cM











Chr. 5

6.38 cM















Chr. 6

1.95 cM











Chr. 16

12.0 cM











Chr. 17

2.13 cM









Medieval Piedmont
670 AD
CL57



Total cM=14.68
Largest segment=11.03 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
82% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

1.88 cM











Chr. 15

1.77 cM











Chr. 16

11.03 cM









Hellenic Roman / Cretan
670 AD
CL38



Total cM=9.47
Largest segment=9.47 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
3% closer than other matching users


Chr. 16

9.47 cM









Scythian Moldova
270 BC
scy192



Total cM=19.28
Largest segment=8.83 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is
93% closer than other matching users


Chr. 15

2.08 cM











Chr. 16

8.83 cM











Chr. 17

3.76 cM











Chr. 20

4.6 cM









Gallo-Roman
590 AD
SZ28



Total cM=5.54
Largest segment=5.54 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
71% closer than other matching users


Chr. 5

5.54 cM









Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese
670 AD
CL30



Total cM=11.55
Largest segment=4.1 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
72% closer than other matching users


Chr. 8

3.74 cM











Chr. 12

3.7 cM











Chr. 20

4.1 cM









Mycenaean
1350 BC
I9041



Total cM=11.27
Largest segment=3.04 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 15) - Your raw DNA is
80% closer than other matching users


Chr. 5

1.81 cM











Chr. 12

3.95 cM















Chr. 17

2.46 cM











Chr. 20

3.04 cM









Scythian Moldova
290 BC
scy305



Total cM=9.48
Largest segment=2.95 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 14) - Your raw DNA is
93% closer than other matching users


Chr. 4

2.2 cM











Chr. 11

2.95 cM











Chr. 14

2.05 cM











Chr. 20

2.26 cM









Ancient Egypt
50 BC
JK2888



Total cM=2.48
Largest segment=2.48 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 2) - Your raw DNA is
31% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

2.48 cM









Visigoth Germanic Girona
550 AD
I12163



Total cM=1.9
Largest segment=1.9 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 20) - Your raw DNA is
61% closer than other matching users


Chr. 10

1.9 cM









Central Roman / Mixed
590 AD
SZ19



Total cM=3.68
Largest segment=1.89 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
68% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

1.78 cM











Chr. 17

1.89 cM









Central Roman
590 AD
SZ32



Total cM=1.87
Largest segment=1.87 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
54% closer than other matching users

torzio
24-08-19, 00:32
Try to upload his kit again. I did that with mine. Hugs :)


done it
that's what he only gets

regards


his matches up to 13.0000

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 8.072 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.577 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.617 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.818 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.835 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.835 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.766 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

8. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.17 - I12515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

9. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 10.28 - I12514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

10. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 10.29 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

11. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 10.43 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

12. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 10.5 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

13. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 10.63 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 94% match vs all users

14. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 10.88 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 96% match vs all users

15. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 10.89 - I4331 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

16. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.05 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

17. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.07 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

18. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 11.3 - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 95% match vs all users

19. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 11.62 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

20. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 11.69 - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

21. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 11.78 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

22. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 12.01 - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 87% match vs all users

23. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.02 - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 93% match vs all users

24. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 12.1 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

25. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 12.28 - I7498 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

26. Medieval Frank (670 AD) ..... 12.39 - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 80% match vs all users

27. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 12.46 - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 82% match vs all users

28. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.52 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users


.................................................. .......

Scythian Moldova
300 BC
scy301


Total cM=17.04
Largest segment=14.75 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 28) - Your raw DNA is 54% closer than other matching users

Chr. 16

14.75 cM







Chr. 18

2.28 cM

Lenab
24-08-19, 01:02
:heart: Granadahttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanHispania.jpg
Roman HispaniaGenetic Distance: 16.47




550 AD - Visigoth Mixed Slav GironaGenetic Distance: 15.9

590 AD - Central Romanhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpg
RomansGenetic Distance: 10.7




590 AD - Central Romanhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpg
RomansGenetic Distance: 11.44




590 AD - Central Romanhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpg
RomansGenetic Distance: 12.5




590 AD - Hellenic Romanhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpg
Hellenic RomansGenetic Distance: 13.31




590 AD - Cisalpine Gaulhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/Gaul.jpg
GaulsGenetic Distance: 15.36




590 AD - Medieval TyrolianGenetic Distance: 16.91

605 AD - Byzantine Roman WarriorGenetic Distance: 13.15

605 AD - North Roman WarriorGenetic Distance: 17.09

650 AD - Late Roman Iberia Granadahttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanHispania.jpg
Roman HispaniaGenetic Distance: 16.4




670 AD - Central Romanhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanCentral.jpg
RomansGenetic Distance: 11.34




670 AD - Hellenic Romanhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/RomanSouth.jpg
Hellenic RomansGenetic Distance: 12.23




670 AD - Medieval IberianGenetic Distance: 16.16

1050 AD - Hellenic Cordoba CaliphateGenetic Distance: 15.08

1100 AD - Iberian Taifa of ValenciaGenetic Distance: 17.15

1250 AD - Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanonhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/Crusader.jpg
Crusader KnightsGenetic Distance: 11.4




1550 AD - Hellenic Iberian AndalusiaGenetic Distance: 15.81

1550 AD - Morisco Convert AndalusiaGenetic Distance: 16.58








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Lenab
24-08-19, 01:07
[QUOTE=Jovialis;584382]There's new samples from the Reich et al 2019 paper on Iberia, The genomic history of the Iberian Peninsula over the past 8000 years :

Thank you I will research that.

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.7 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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2. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 11.34 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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3. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 11.4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.44 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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5. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.5 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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7. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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8. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.31 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

9. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.08 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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10. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 15.36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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11. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 15.81 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

12. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 15.9 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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83% match vs all users

13. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 16.16 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

14. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 16.3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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15. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 16.4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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16. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 16.47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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17. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 16.58 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

18. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 16.91 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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60% match vs all users

19. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 17.09 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

20. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 17.15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

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Lenab
24-08-19, 01:12
MTA -New features
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Ancient Egyptian and the Lebanese/Tuscan would be similar the people of the Levant and North Africa during those times would be the same but ancient Egyptian though very interesting.

Lenab
24-08-19, 01:20
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Lenab
24-08-19, 01:24
They have added Iberian Tafia with me and Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate

italouruguayan
24-08-19, 01:40
Anyone figure out what Iberian Taifa means?


Taifas is the name of the small states that emerged in Muslim Spain after the breakup of the Caliphate of Cordoba

Lenab
24-08-19, 01:50
Anyone figure out what Iberian Taifa means?


Taifas is the name of the small states that emerged in Muslim Spain after the breakup of the Caliphate of Cordoba Taifa was the Muslim part of Spanish Iberia

Caliphate in Arabic just means rulers or Kingdom. So they are just rulers of these now ex lands of it. Taifas was the Iberian part of Spain that was Muslim and I believe so was Andalusia so these are just ethnic Spanish people who were Muslims during their rule

italouruguayan
24-08-19, 02:11
Taifa was the Muslim part of Spanish Iberia

Caliphate in Arabic just means rulers or Kingdom. So they are just rulers of these now ex lands of it. Taifas was the Iberian part of Spain that was Muslim and I believe so was Andalusia so these are just ethnic Spanish people who were Muslims during their rule

The Caliphate of Cordoba was a unified kingdom.The Taifas were small states that rivaled each other, sometimes allying with the Christian kingdoms of the north.

Lenab
24-08-19, 09:34
The Caliphate of Cordoba was a unified kingdom.The Taifas were small states that rivaled each other, sometimes allying with the Christian kingdoms of the north.


There are Muslims throughout history who have allied themselves with Christians the Crusaders didn't hurt the Alevis/Shia because of their Semi Christian ideals. Many Sultans in the Ottoman rule intermarried with Christian women it isn't written in stone for there to be hatred. Any Muslim who has ever attacked a Christian nation throughout history is just a rabid Dog in my opinion.

Duarte
24-08-19, 12:00
@Angela


I get tons of these Spaniards; they're pushing everyone else down.
Anyone figure out what Iberian Taifa means?




Ancient individuals from the Iberian Peninsula included in this study




















Ind ID (_d, only sequences with aDNA damage were used for analysis)
Colaborator ID
Skeletal element
UDG treatment for each library
Autosomal SNPs covered
Genetic sex
mtDNA
Y-chr
Kinship
Include in genome-wide analyses
Pop name (NE_Iberia, northeast Iberia; SE_Iberia, southeast Iberia; NW_Iberia, northwest Iberia; SW_Iberia, southwest Iberia; N_Iberia, northern Iberia; C_Iberia, central Iberia; E_Iberia, eastern Iberia; Meso, Mesolithic; EN, Early Neolithic; MLN, Middle-Late Neolithic; CA, Copper Age; Stp, steppe ancestry; Afr, African ancestry; BA, Bronze Age; IA, Iron Age; Hel, Hellenistic; RomP, Roman Period; c.; century; .SG, shotgun data; out, genetic outlier)
Region
Cultural affiliation
Date (Direct radiocarbon date on the individual calibrated at 2 sigma or date range based on the archaeological context)
Site
Latitude
Longitude
Country
Publication
Collaborator


I12644
UE 1617
tooth
half
558375
M
U4a2
E1b1b1b1a1

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12645
UE 1813
tooth
half
42921
F
U5b1f1a
..

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12646
UE 1637
tooth
half
9017
M
K2b1a1
CT

No (Low coverage)
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12647
UE 1996
tooth
half
619870
F
H1ak1
..

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12648
UE 1117
tooth
half
28586
M
H1
R1b1

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12649
UE 2194
tooth
half
139515
M
H13a1a
E1b1b1b1a1

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12650
UE 1384
tooth
half
7503
M
H1e1a
CT

No (Low coverage)
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1100–1300 CE
Carrer Sagunto 49, València, València/Valencia, Valencian Community
39,4697
-0,3774
Spain
This study
Pablo García Borja, Guillermo Pascual Berlanga


I12514
UE 119A
tooth (premolar)
half
511048
M
HV0+195
J2a
2-3rd_rel_I12515
Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1020–1155 cal CE (960±30 BP, Beta-459794)
Palau Castell de Betxí, Betxí, Castelló/Castellón, Valencian Community
39,9333
-0,2
Spain
This study
Gustau Aguilella Arzo, Pablo García Borja


I12515
UE 102
tooth (canine)
half
585408
M
H3
J2a

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
1000–1200 CE
Palau Castell de Betxí, Betxí, Castelló/Castellón, Valencian Community
39,9333
-0,2
Spain
This study
Gustau Aguilella Arzo, Pablo García Borja


I12516
UE 30001-3
bone
half
424327
F
U5b2b2
..

Yes
SE_Iberia_c.10-16CE
SE
Muslim
901–1116 cal CE (1030±30 BP, Beta-372984)
Plaza Parroquial, Vinaròs, Castelló/Castellón, Valencian Community
40,4703
0,4756
Spain
This study
Gustau Aguilella Arzo, Pablo García Borja



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matty74
24-08-19, 12:15
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1. Pict (670 AD) ..... 4.452 - CL83 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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2. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 5.104 - CL92 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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3. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.232 - I2860 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

4. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 5.469 - I5383 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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5. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 5.472 - I2097 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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6. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 5.603 - I2452 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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7. Alemanni Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 5.793 - NS1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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8. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.848 - I2859 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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9. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 5.941 - SZ15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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10. Celtic Briton (0 AD) ..... 6.126 - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

11. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 6.271 - I1767 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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85% match vs all users

12. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 6.764 - VDP-A6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

13. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 6.875 - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

14. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 7.22 - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

15. Anglo Saxon (700 AD) ..... 7.239 - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

16. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 7.271 - I2981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

17. Young Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 7.307 - NS6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

18. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.332 - SSJ-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

19. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 7.365 - TSK-A26 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

20. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 7.539 - I3875 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

21. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.546 - SZ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

22. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.637 - CL146 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

23. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.64 - SZ14 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

24. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.732 - KNS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

25. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 7.778 - I2568 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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85% match vs all users

26. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.95 - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

27. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 7.96 - I8206 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

28. Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.037 - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

29. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 8.04 - CL84 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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30. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria (465 AD) ..... 8.084 - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

31. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.11 - ORE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

32. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.12 - SZ4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

33. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) ..... 8.14 - Rathlin2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

34. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.148 - 97029 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

35. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 8.208 - Shohola (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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86% match vs all users

36. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 8.313 - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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87% match vs all users

37. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 8.349 - KOV-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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84% match vs all users

38. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 8.39 - I5367 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

39. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.479 - GTE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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83% match vs all users

40. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.512 - GRS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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93% match vs all users

41. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.569 - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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90% match vs all users

42. Iron Age Melton England (85 BC) ..... 8.593 - M1489 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

43. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) ..... 8.625 - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

44. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.754 - stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

45. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.781 - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

46. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.802 - SZ7 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

47. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.831 - 84035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

48. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.85 - SZ22 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

49. Celtic Briton (70 BC) ..... 8.853 - Hinxton 1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

50. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.864 - DKS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

51. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.935 - Sigtuna stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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88% match vs all users

52. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 8.941 - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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70% match vs all users

53. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 9.008 - ALH_10 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

54. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) ..... 9.023 - I3255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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89% match vs all users

55. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.053 - SSG-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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77% match vs all users

56. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 9.094 - 97002 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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99% match vs all users

57. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) ..... 9.278 - Rathlin2B (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

58. Frankish Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 9.364 - NS12c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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80% match vs all users

59. Viking Gaelic Child Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.372 - YGS-B2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

60. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 9.485 - SZ38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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68% match vs all users

Salento
24-08-19, 14:50
... as of now:
https://i.imgur.com/cZXRDpN.jpg
J C :

https://i.imgur.com/gbUFz0l.jpg


... in his prime (imho :)

https://i.imgur.com/2tihrKn.jpg

Lenab
24-08-19, 15:24
... as of now:
https://i.imgur.com/cZXRDpN.jpg

J C :

https://i.imgur.com/CzhniAG.jpg

... in his prime (imho) :

https://i.imgur.com/9sS3Avz.jpg
I prefer his looks to the very Dinaric and Celtic looking Romans...Looks Alpine/Dinaric mixed?

Salento
24-08-19, 15:30
We all see what we want to see.

Lenab
24-08-19, 15:32
We all see what we want to see.
Meaning? I am entitled to my opinion I didn't say Dinarics are not strong/and or noble looking. Anyway let's stick to the subject.

Lenab
24-08-19, 15:37
https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=v4bhwcfi2h&s=pcam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5cj7mv6qg4 TUSCANY PER UOMO by Aramis REVIEW

Stuvanè
24-08-19, 15:41
Some changes in the list of champions (there are also the Thuringians now!), in the archaeological map, in the table of the deep dive, in the ancestral timeline ... (here the Hittites and the Mycenaeans disappeared).


BTW, is it my impression or did they better specify the Iberian samples?

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Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.512 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.298 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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3. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 7.644 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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4. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 8.822 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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5. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 8.911 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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6. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 9.685 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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7. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 10.99 - CL121 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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8. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.36 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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9. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 11.75 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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10. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 12.26 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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11. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.75 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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12. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 13.34 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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13. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 13.43 - I12515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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14. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 13.7 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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15. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 13.82 - I3981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96
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16. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 13.92 - I7425 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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17. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 13.95 - SI-53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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18. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.23 - I3575 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98
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19. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.38 - SI-41 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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20. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 14.45 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95
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21. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 14.62 - LSD021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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22. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 14.85 - I3582 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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23. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.99 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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24. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.35 - I7499 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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25. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 15.54 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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26. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 15.61 - I3585 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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27. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 15.79 - I3982 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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28. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 15.81 - SZ19 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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29. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 16.04 - I3581 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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30. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.08 - I12644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95
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31. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 16.42 - I7498 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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32. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.54 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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33. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 16.55 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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34. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.57 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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35. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.57 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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36. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 17.03 - I4331 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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37. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 17.32 - I3576 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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38. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 17.6 - I12514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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39. Ostrogoth Mix (465 AD) ..... 17.68 - AEH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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40. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 17.94 - scy305 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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41. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 18.22 - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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42. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 18.63 - SZ40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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43. Medieval Frank (670 AD) ..... 18.91 - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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44. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 18.97 - I3983 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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45. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 19.22 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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46. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) ..... 19.38 - I3980 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.83 - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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48. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.92 - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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49. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 20.06 - AED_1108 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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50. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 20.15 - MJ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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51. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 20.33 - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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52. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 20.48 - MA2198 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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53. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 20.5 - I12647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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54. Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 20.52 - I8475 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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55. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 20.74 - I9041 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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56. Torna Alta Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 21.13 - I3808 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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57. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 21.25 - I9033 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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58. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 21.26 - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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59. Ancient Greek Empuries (275 BC) ..... 21.28 - I8208 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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60. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) ..... 21.51 - FN_2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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snkves
24-08-19, 16:45
The New features.

https://i.imgur.com/JnufxPH.png

Stuvanè
24-08-19, 17:25
I wonder who the hell is that Illirian/Dalmatian positioned in Britain
Is it a mistake or have I missed a few passes?:)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/69240791_2496230370438421_2526306102878928896_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkoL7ifdoPfk31vIS9vhfe_xw3hrD1j6cHUJ9px0Re fIKPpTD_5LjlDHgHsJJbpPVA&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=f37a4267763b7f43f7e181182409a4a0&oe=5DCD2317
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69398666_905854946451303_5657787722127900672_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmyf7Fh3pCe4hvH7TAbUC-fxD5KT-g3C4ZAaVi782uZQpVibltZbHpULxZRO-qQmYs&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=ad4a5596094a55c6ee118a8f7c85c406&oe=5DD6880F

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69110795_2416995448573896_1679054190912995328_n.pn g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnuroirArSE8jCSldZptPvUI5R3QQ6X51twAauh8-elktcH4TF3ariXR53n7NF8KUM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=d31d4873ca3a4dec8a5cf1ae3e012ab4&oe=5DD0E917

Salento
24-08-19, 17:58
My Top 3 Ancient Relatives (Awesome People, unquestionably :)

https://i.imgur.com/CuIT4vH.jpg

Lenab
24-08-19, 19:22
I wonder who the hell is that Illirian/Dalmatian positioned in Britain
Is it a mistake or have I missed a few passes?:)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/69240791_2496230370438421_2526306102878928896_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkoL7ifdoPfk31vIS9vhfe_xw3hrD1j6cHUJ9px0Re fIKPpTD_5LjlDHgHsJJbpPVA&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=f37a4267763b7f43f7e181182409a4a0&oe=5DCD2317
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69398666_905854946451303_5657787722127900672_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmyf7Fh3pCe4hvH7TAbUC-fxD5KT-g3C4ZAaVi782uZQpVibltZbHpULxZRO-qQmYs&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=ad4a5596094a55c6ee118a8f7c85c406&oe=5DD6880F

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69110795_2416995448573896_1679054190912995328_n.pn g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnuroirArSE8jCSldZptPvUI5R3QQ6X51twAauh8-elktcH4TF3ariXR53n7NF8KUM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=d31d4873ca3a4dec8a5cf1ae3e012ab4&oe=5DD0E917
The Romans were in England as you know it's possible that those type of people who were more of a Romance/Slavic mix the Illyrians could have settled there.

Everywhere is mixed nothing is set in stone. For the other question yes the Iberian samples have been more detailed.

Stuvanè
24-08-19, 20:24
The Romans were in England as you know it's possible that those type of people who were more of a Romance/Slavic mix the Illyrians could have settled there.

Everywhere is mixed nothing is set in stone. For the other question yes the Iberian samples have been more detailed.

@Lenab, sure. And many times many of the soldiers were recruited in the Balkans. But that dating sounds strange to me: 1600 BC (!).
I would expect to find an Illyrian in Britain at the height of the imperial age, not towards the end of the Bronze Age