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Angela
24-08-19, 20:58
... as of now:
https://i.imgur.com/cZXRDpN.jpg

J C :

https://i.imgur.com/CzhniAG.jpg

... in his prime (imho) :

https://i.imgur.com/9sS3Avz.jpg

That's very good. Did you do it?

Quite handsome. Well, it makes sense. All those bedroom conquests for which he was known couldn't have just been based on charm. :)

It seems I should be embracing my Scythian side. :) Strange. Other "tests" have shown it as well.

@Stuvane,
Maybe a lost metal merchant bringing copper.

snkves
24-08-19, 21:11
Had to re-upload for new Deep Dive matches so here are the new ones:

https://i.imgur.com/Es0s2uS.png

torzio
24-08-19, 21:13
map of my data
https://i.postimg.cc/sXRFjfGV/mymap.png (https://postimages.org/)

Johane Derite
24-08-19, 22:12
I wonder who the hell is that Illirian/Dalmatian positioned in Britain
Is it a mistake or have I missed a few passes?:)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/69240791_2496230370438421_2526306102878928896_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkoL7ifdoPfk31vIS9vhfe_xw3hrD1j6cHUJ9px0Re fIKPpTD_5LjlDHgHsJJbpPVA&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=f37a4267763b7f43f7e181182409a4a0&oe=5DCD2317
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69398666_905854946451303_5657787722127900672_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmyf7Fh3pCe4hvH7TAbUC-fxD5KT-g3C4ZAaVi782uZQpVibltZbHpULxZRO-qQmYs&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=ad4a5596094a55c6ee118a8f7c85c406&oe=5DD6880F

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69110795_2416995448573896_1679054190912995328_n.pn g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnuroirArSE8jCSldZptPvUI5R3QQ6X51twAauh8-elktcH4TF3ariXR53n7NF8KUM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=d31d4873ca3a4dec8a5cf1ae3e012ab4&oe=5DD0E917

Hm, that's odd. Does this site list all its sources for its references? the number for the "illyrian" sample is I4331, any clue which study it could be from? I'm guessing they mixed up the name.

Lenab
24-08-19, 22:15
@Lenab, sure. And many times many of the soldiers were recruited in the Balkans. But that dating sounds strange to me: 1600 BC (!).
I would expect to find an Illyrian in Britain at the height of the imperial age, not towards the end of the Bronze Age
Not sure where my comment went but yes. But look it up online.

Johane Derite
24-08-19, 22:19
Yeah, they've mixed up the location. Sample I4331 is the one found in croatian coast, from Mathieson 2018. Pretty big mistake.

Lenab
24-08-19, 22:19
Hm, that's odd. Does this site list all its sources for its references? the number for the "illyrian" sample is I4331, any clue which study it could be from? I'm guessing they mixed up the name.
Why would that be wrong...But everything else ok?

torzio
25-08-19, 00:06
Hm, that's odd. Does this site list all its sources for its references? the number for the "illyrian" sample is I4331, any clue which study it could be from? I'm guessing they mixed up the name.

it is the same spot on map as mine in post 1253.........yet mine is the correct name


Veliki Vanik burial mound is located near the town ofVrgoracin Split-Dalmatia County in southern Croatia. The mound ismade of rock and soil deposit with a circular base of 20 m in diameter and a relative height of 3.5 m. Itwas partly destroyedduring the Early Modern Period when the stone drywall was erected and some of the rock material was harvested from the site. Three Bronze Age graves -one in the shape of a stone coffin and two inhumations in plain soil -containing the remains of five individuals were explored during the rescue excavations. Radiocarbon datesand preservedartifacts(hair ornament made of coiled copper wire and fragments of pottery) datethese burialsto the Early/MiddleBronze Age•I4331/ VV1Poorly preserved subadult (5-7 years).


.................................................. ...............

the other Illyrian

•I3313/ JAZ1Radovanci (1 individual)The Radovanci site is located in Slavonia, in continental Croatia, approximately 15 km north of the town of Požega. The site isa destroyed settlement that was in use during the Sopot and Balaton-Lasinya cultures.23Archaeological excavations were carried out in 2005 and one skeleton was recovered.

torzio
25-08-19, 00:27
Why would that be wrong...But everything else ok?

I got the same until I refreshed the maps......hit the 2 arrows which form a circle

Lenab
25-08-19, 01:33
I got the same until I refreshed the maps......hit the 2 arrows which form a circle
Ok but I don't think my result changed into a different time with those people

Carlos
25-08-19, 01:47
Hello every body. I ,m holidays. I,m very results illergete and vascones or carolingios also Al Andalus, hispano romano, iberian, califato Córdoba, Valencia and in the 4 site one new celtiberian alemanic mix + ó - When I return published now is very dificultouse. Regards and happy Holidays.

Joey37
25-08-19, 03:30
Maybe the Germano-Celt gladiator stayed around in York...I have ancestors from Yorkshire and Lancashire in northern England. 11336

11337

And we have my Proto-Celt from Scotland and the Lombard guy, even though I match closer to Franks and Visigoths among Germanics.

Salento
25-08-19, 04:14
That's very good. Did you do it?

Quite handsome. Well, it makes sense. All those bedroom conquests for which he was known couldn't have just been based on charm. :)

It seems I should be embracing my Scythian side. :) Strange. Other "tests" have shown it as well.



Yes, I tweaked it a bit, ...

... in his early 20s
https://i.imgur.com/oBcwfhU.jpg


... in his prime
https://i.imgur.com/2tihrKn.jpg


... original
https://i.imgur.com/gbUFz0l.jpg


(The previous images got deleted by mistake, but I re-uploaded the same pics again)

Duarte
25-08-19, 05:01
@Stuvanè

I wonder who the hell is that Illirian/Dalmatian positioned in Britain
Is it a mistake or have I missed a few passes?:)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/s2048x2048/69240791_2496230370438421_2526306102878928896_n.pn g?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQkoL7ifdoPfk31vIS9vhfe_xw3hrD1j6cHUJ9px0Re fIKPpTD_5LjlDHgHsJJbpPVA&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=f37a4267763b7f43f7e181182409a4a0&oe=5DCD2317
https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69398666_905854946451303_5657787722127900672_n.png ?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmyf7Fh3pCe4hvH7TAbUC-fxD5KT-g3C4ZAaVi782uZQpVibltZbHpULxZRO-qQmYs&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=ad4a5596094a55c6ee118a8f7c85c406&oe=5DD6880F

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/69110795_2416995448573896_1679054190912995328_n.pn g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQnuroirArSE8jCSldZptPvUI5R3QQ6X51twAauh8-elktcH4TF3ariXR53n7NF8KUM&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=d31d4873ca3a4dec8a5cf1ae3e012ab4&oe=5DD0E917
https://i.imgur.com/jxdFrLg.png
https://i.imgur.com/xdkTg8B.png
https://i.imgur.com/1jSsUHH.png\https://i.imgur.com/2u8uRmi.png

Salento
25-08-19, 05:09
Ancestral Timeline

The Morisco is gone :) Just like the Sicilian did :(


Single RD
https://i.imgur.com/UtAvNSv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eYCGpYu.png

Combined:
https://i.imgur.com/8kNzu4f.jpg

Deep Dive:
https://i.imgur.com/JVRuMR7.jpg

torzio
25-08-19, 06:55
new late bronze age match for myself ...sample mj12

https://i.postimg.cc/vHB9XSWG/late-bronze.png

(https://postimages.org/)https://i.postimg.cc/L6bPWBTL/thraco.png (https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
25-08-19, 14:19
Good news for all those who have matches with the illyrian I4331. They corrected the location of ancient sample to Dalmatia, according to the paper below. Cheers to all and nice Sunday.

https://i.imgur.com/Z0eGiyy.png
https://i.imgur.com/7Zai3oi.png
https://i.imgur.com/I88VuIO.png

Jovialis
25-08-19, 14:42
Yes, I tweaked it a bit, ...
... in his early 20s
https://i.imgur.com/oBcwfhU.jpg
... in his prime
https://i.imgur.com/2tihrKn.jpg
... original
https://i.imgur.com/gbUFz0l.jpg
(The previous images got deleted by mistake, but I re-uploaded the same pics again)
That's with faceapp right? The younger one looks a little bit like my younger brother.

Salento
25-08-19, 15:58
That's with faceapp right? The younger one looks a little bit like my younger brother.

From what I've been reading around, I concluded that his real hairstyle would have been a bit different from that shown in the original image. (It’s a matter of hairline control as he got older :)

Faceapp and Photoshop.

Stuvanè
25-08-19, 16:31
Good news for all those who have matches with the illyrian I4331. They corrected the location of ancient sample to Dalmatia, according to the paper below. Cheers to all and nice Sunday.

https://i.imgur.com/Z0eGiyy.png
https://i.imgur.com/7Zai3oi.png
https://i.imgur.com/I88VuIO.png

@ Thanks Duarte.
Now it makes sense :)


https://mytrueancestry.com/c/image.py?&j=bqfnod1kj2&s=dd

torzio
26-08-19, 07:10
Good news for all those who have matches with the illyrian I4331. They corrected the location of ancient sample to Dalmatia, according to the paper below. Cheers to all and nice Sunday.

https://i.imgur.com/Z0eGiyy.png
https://i.imgur.com/7Zai3oi.png
https://i.imgur.com/I88VuIO.png

thanks


I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a

I4332
mtDNA: W3a1

Jovialis
26-08-19, 15:36
https://i.imgur.com/7iPltwt.png

The Copper Age Anatolian sample now shows up on the map in the Neolithic. I0184 looks like it comes from North-Western Anatolia, in 3800 BC:

https://i.imgur.com/iikF3qP.png

I believe this is what links me to a lot of the other samples from later time periods; via other groups who share the Copper Age Anatolians as a source population:

https://i.imgur.com/4ojkOEL.png

As for the deep dive, all I get is 0.67 cM for the Mycenaean sample, I9033:

https://i.imgur.com/7BdVBqv.png

Here is the full-archaeology map, with some new additions:

https://i.imgur.com/taxkO1v.png

Carlos
28-08-19, 15:42
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Visigoth Iberian Girona (550 AD) ..... 8.765 - I12034 (Click for more info)
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2. Roman Soldier Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.032 - FN_2 (Click for more info)
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3. Roman Soldier Freiham-Nord Germany (300 AD) ..... 9.04 - FN_2 (Click for more info)
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4. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 9.106 - CL94 (Click for more info)
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5. Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 9.529 - I10866 (Click for more info)
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6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 10.75 - I3313 (Click for more info)
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7. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 12.13 - I12209 (Click for more info)
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8. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (600 BC) ..... 12.19 - I4556 (Click for more info)
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13. Celtiberian Alemannic Mix (520 AD) ..... 13.46 - STR_535 (Click for more info)
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14. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 13.46 - I3585 (Click for more info)
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15. Celtiberian Mix Tribe Northern Spain (2300 BC) ..... 13.49 - I3238 (Click for more info)
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16. Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia (80 AD) ..... 13.63 - I8475 (Click for more info)
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18. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 14.01 - I4331 (Click for more info)
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19. Vascones Tribe (460 BC) ..... 14.14 - I12879 (Click for more info)
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20. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas (1290 BC) ..... 14.25 - I12208 (Click for more info)
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21. Vascones Tribe Vasconia (280 BC) ..... 14.42 - I3759 (Click for more info)
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22. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 14.49 - CL23 (Click for more info)
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23. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.55- I12514 (Click for more info)
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24. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 14.59 - I2649 (Click for more info)
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26. Crusader Knight French / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 14.61 - SI-40 (Click for more info)
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27. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.62 - I7498 (Click for more info)
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28. Roman Era Girona (80 AD) ..... 14.63 - I8339 (Click for more info)
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29. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 14.64 - I12515 (Click for more info)
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30. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 14.67 - MJ12 (Click for more info)
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31. Basque Carolingian (650 AD) ..... 14.73 - I3777 (Click for more info)
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32. Ilergetes Outlier Catalan (440 BC) ..... 14.75 - I12410 (Click for more info)
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33. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 14.78 - I2472 (Click for more info)
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34. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.87 - scy305 (Click for more info)
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35. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.08 - scy192 (Click for more info)
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36. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 15.36 - I2515 (Click for more info)
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37. Vasconic Tribe (275 BC) ..... 15.38 - I8209 (Click for more info)
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38. Hispano-Roman-Mehrebi Cordoba Caliphate (950 AD) ..... 15.54 - I7497 (Click for more info)
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39. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.66 - scy311 (Click for more info)
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40. Vasconic Tribe Empuries (275 BC) ..... 15.68 - I8214 (Click for more info)
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41. Italy Bell Beaker (2000 BC) ..... 15.71 - I2478 (Click for more info)
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42. Basque Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 15.77 - I7673 (Click for more info)
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43. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 15.95- I12516 (Click for more info)
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44. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.03 - I12644 (Click for more info)
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45. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 16.23 - VAD001 (Click for more info)
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46. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 16.42 - I4332 (Click for more info)
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47. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 16.42 - I5769 (Click for more info)
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48. Roman Iberia Granada (300 AD) ..... 16.45 - I3982 (Click for more info)
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49. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.49 - I2644 (Click for more info)
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50. Ostrogoth Mix (465 AD) ..... 16.5 - AEH_1 (Click for more info)
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51. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 16.58 - I7425 (Click for more info)
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52. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 16.6 - I3493 (Click for more info)
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53. Iron Age Catalan (680 BC) ..... 16.61 - I12641 (Click for more info)
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54. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (280 BC) ..... 16.67 - I3327 (Click for more info)
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55. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 16.7 - I2514 (Click for more info)
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56. Carthago-Maghrebi Andalusia (1200 AD) ..... 16.9 - I7457 (Click for more info)
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57. Ilercavones Catalan (200 BC) ..... 17.01 - I3321 (Click for more info)
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58. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 17.02 - SZ45 (Click for more info)
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59. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 17.17 - BIM33 (Click for more info)
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60. Ilergetes Tribe Catalan (440 BC) ..... 17.36 - I12877 (Click for more info)
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61. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.38 - CL47 (Click for more info)
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62. Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) ..... 17.5 - I3324 (Click for more info)
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63. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.58 - I3981 (Click for more info)
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64. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1440 BC) ..... 17.6 - I1840 (Click for more info)
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65. Bronze Age Northern Spain (1560 BC) ..... 17.66 - VAD005 (Click for more info)
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66. Celtibertian Mix (275 BC) ..... 17.78 - I8203 (Click for more info)
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67. Medieval Frank (670 AD) ..... 17.94 - CL63 (Click for more info)
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68. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 18.08 - Rise577 (Click for more info)
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69. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 18.18 - NS3c (Click for more info)
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70. Carolingian (790 AD) ..... 18.36 - I7675 (Click for more info)
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71. Portugal Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 18.47 - VO10207 (Click for more info)
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72. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 18.56 - GTE-A1 (Click for more info)
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73. Halstatt Celt (775 BC) ..... 18.89 - DA111 (Click for more info)
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74. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 18.92 - I2471 (Click for more info)
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75. Iron Age Catalan (650 BC) ..... 18.96 - I3776 (Click for more info)
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76. Pre-Indo European Tribe (1440 BC) ..... 19.01 - I2470 (Click for more info)
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77. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.12 - I12647 (Click for more info)
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78. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 19.38 - DA199 (Click for more info)
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79. Gaulic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 19.58 - 6DRIF-22 (Click for more info)
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80. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.59 - I12032 (Click for more info)
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82. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.79 - I2647 (Click for more info)
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83. Bronze Age Loma del Puerco (1800 BC) ..... 19.86 - I7162 (Click for more info)
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84. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 19.89 - AED_1108 (Click for more info)
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85. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 19.91 - CL36 (Click for more info)
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86. Bell Beaker Southern France (2120 BC) ..... 19.96 - I3874 (Click for more info)
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87. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 19.97 - CL102 (Click for more info)
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88. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 20.25 - I3582 (Click for more info)
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89. Celtiberian Northern Spain (350 BC) ..... 20.54 - I3757 (Click for more info)
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90. Bronze Age Spain Cogotas I (1500 BC) ..... 20.68 - I3490 (Click for more info)
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91. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) ..... 20.72 - CL53 (Click for more info)
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92. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 20.74 - I12162 (Click for more info)
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93. Iron Age Catalan (600 BC) ..... 21.04 - I12642 (Click for more info)
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94. Iberia Bronze Age (1600 BC) ..... 21.1 - ATP9 (Click for more info)
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95. Pre-Roman Girona (280 BC) ..... 21.43 - I3323 (Click for more info)
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96. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 21.49 - SZ18 (Click for more info)
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97. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 21.51 - I5471 (Click for more info)
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98. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 21.51 - I3576 (Click for more info)
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99. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 21.6 - SZ23 (Click for more info)
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100. Bell Beaker France (2300 BC) ..... 21.61 - I1388 (Click for more info)
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Joey37
28-08-19, 18:12
11357

I'm Bell Beaker Germanic

Jovialis
28-08-19, 20:11
https://i.imgur.com/taxkO1v.png

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

Comparing the new samples added MTA, from the Reich et al 2019 paper to my Eurogenes heat map. After the Balkans, Iberians are my closest, as the yellow shows. I would bet that is has a great deal to do with the Greek and Roman influence to Iberia.

torzio
28-08-19, 20:38
Dalmatian samples plotted in Bergamo !?


https://i.imgur.com/60rTPEW.png

Jovialis
28-08-19, 20:46
https://i.imgur.com/taxkO1v.png

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

Comparing the new samples added MTA, from the Reich et al 2019 paper to my Eurogenes heat map. After the Balkans, it is my closest, as the yellow shows. I would bet that is has a great deal to do with the Greek and Roman influence to Iberia.

Here's the study, discussed here:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38084-Two-Ancient-Iberia-DNA-Papers-with-articles

Salento
28-08-19, 21:27
My updated map from Ancient Times... Combined kit

(I don’t have a Eurogenes Map like yours) ...???

https://i.imgur.com/qEmVPTB.jpg

brick
28-08-19, 21:47
Dalmatian samples plotted in Bergamo !?

It looks like garbage.

What would be the Bronze Age sample from Dalmatia? The Iron Age from Moldova and Bulgaria?

torzio
28-08-19, 22:47
It looks like garbage.
What would be the Bronze Age sample from Dalmatia? The Iron Age from Moldova and Bulgaria?
Are these dalmatian samples not from the bronze age period?
When does the iron -age begin

Duarte
28-08-19, 23:10
Source: English Wikipedia

https://i.imgur.com/SOfsU9k.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vQl1Tbv.jpg

brick
28-08-19, 23:36
Are these dalmatian samples not from the bronze age period?
When does the iron -age begin

I was asking you what they were, I thought you knew. Using PCA with samples found in Bronze Age Croatia, and Iron Age Moldova and Bulgaria, positions change a little in PCA. I've found that two Bronze Age Croatia samples plot close Bergamo, too little to draw any conclusion. These two Croatian BA samples are there because they have more EEF than modern Croatians. Nothing more than that. It would be useful to do these PCAs not only using the G25.


https://i.imgur.com/661yMIS.jpg

brick
28-08-19, 23:50
Back in topic, Mytrueancestry.com is nothing more than Eurogenes K15 with ancient samples.

torzio
29-08-19, 00:39
I was asking you what they were, I thought you knew. Using PCA with samples found in Bronze Age Croatia, and Iron Age Moldova and Bulgaria, positions change a little in PCA. I've found that two Bronze Age Croatia samples plot close Bergamo, too little to draw any conclusion. These two Croatian BA samples are there because they have more EEF than modern Croatians. Nothing more than that. It would be useful to do these PCAs not only using the G25.
https://i.imgur.com/661yMIS.jpg
Iirc, they are all late bronze-age..

Thanks for pca data

Can you do the 900bc thraco-cimmerian, sample MJ12

Jovialis
29-08-19, 15:36
My updated map from Ancient Times... Combined kit

(I don’t have a Eurogenes Map like yours) ...???

https://i.imgur.com/qEmVPTB.jpg

I just colored them according to the results of this tool:

https://gen3553.pagesperso-orange.fr/ADN/similitude.htm

Angela
29-08-19, 17:29
I was asking you what they were, I thought you knew. Using PCA with samples found in Bronze Age Croatia, and Iron Age Moldova and Bulgaria, positions change a little in PCA. I've found that two Bronze Age Croatia samples plot close Bergamo, too little to draw any conclusion. These two Croatian BA samples are there because they have more EEF than modern Croatians. Nothing more than that. It would be useful to do these PCAs not only using the G25.


https://i.imgur.com/661yMIS.jpg

Interesting. On this PCA French South and French East are quite a bit further apart than Bergamo and Sicily.

I guess there's no France or French people either.

Jovialis
30-08-19, 15:04
https://i.imgur.com/M1CztUO.png

I have more of an affinity towards the south French. No doubt it has to do with the Roman, and Greek colonies that settled there as well.

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

https://i.imgur.com/4DJzdh8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AH8HTPW.jpg

Angela
30-08-19, 17:09
https://i.imgur.com/M1CztUO.png

I have more of an affinity towards the south French. No doubt it has to do with the Roman, and Greek colonies that settled there as well.

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

https://i.imgur.com/4DJzdh8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AH8HTPW.jpg

It's ok for the French to claim they are French even though there are large differences between the different areas, maybe larger than the differences in Italy, and apologies have been issued to Macedonians, Thracians and Thessalians for questioning whether or not they are "really" Greek.

It's only Italians who have no right to ethnic self-determination on anthroforums.

We fought and died to kick the foreign overlords out and unify too, and in World War II the Italian soldiers who were asked by the Germans to turn in their weapons and then mowed down weren't asked whether they came from Bari or Milano, nor were the women and children burned alive asked what kind of Italians they were.

Enough...

Jovialis
30-08-19, 18:12
It's ok for the French to claim they are French even though there are large differences between the different areas, maybe larger than the differences in Italy, and apologies have been issued to Macedonians, Thracians and Thessalians for questioning whether or not they are "really" Greek.

It's only Italians who have no right to ethnic self-determination on anthroforums.

We fought and died to kick the foreign overlords out and unify too, and in World War II the Italian soldiers who were asked by the Germans to turn in their weapons and then mowed down weren't asked whether they came from Bari or Milano, nor were the women and children burned alive asked what kind of Italians they were.

Enough...

I completely agree!

hrvclv
30-08-19, 18:47
I really can't think why "national consciousness" should be set against genetic "ethnicity". The sense one has of belonging to a national community, with all the historic and cultural package it involves, is one thing. Trying to sort out the genetic nuances that distinguish each region, area, or sub-area, is another. Both of those concerns are not only distinct, but also complementary. There's richness in diversity. So where's the problem? We'd all go bored if our nations were well-defined, monolithic genetic blocks. We'd read a paper or two, and pass on to something else.

By the way, there's genetic diversity among Spaniards too. East Anglia and Cornwall are genetically distinct. Bavarians aren't the same as North Germans. Scandinavians can be split into subgroups. Not to mention the vast Slavic sphere...

I love my Auvergne, and its stubborn, unruly, tight-fisted, hard-working people. I also feel culturally French, heir to a literature and a history that define the lines along which I think and behave. I feel a distinct kinship with my European cousins. I have friends in Africa, India, etc... And I feel quite comfortable with it all.

Axios
30-08-19, 22:02
Can someone explain what does this mean?

I'm from berber ancestry:

Closest population distances

Population
Distance


N_Levant_AinGhazal5
1.870476


i7425_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
2.834692


I7424_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
2.894014


i3808_Morisco_Andalusia_1500AD
2.998486


I3578_EMA_Andalusia
3.414028


Egyptian_mumy_I_JK2888_
3.660159


I0867_Levant_PPNB
3.757508


EMA_Greek-Balkan_AEH_1
3.776276

inanna1111
31-08-19, 01:04
Your closest Ancient populations...

Seleucid Empire - Romans - Hellenic Romans

Seleucid + Roman (7.242)
Hellenic Roman + Roman (8.25)
Roman (11.19)
Hellenic Roman (12.57)
Seleucid (14.22)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.19 - SZ36
Top 97% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.71 - SZ43
Top 97% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.79 - SZ32
Top 97% match vs all users

4. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.57 - CL121
Top 96% match vs all users

5. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 12.65 - NS3b
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 14.22 - MA2198
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 14.74 - CL36
Top 93% match vs all users

8. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 15.03 - SZ40
Top 93% match vs all users

9. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 15.53 - CL30
Top 95% match vs all users

10. Pontic Greek (300 AD) ..... 15.81 - Ker1
Top 98% match vs all users

11. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 16.69 - SI-53
Top 97% match vs all users

12. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 17.07 - SZ19
Top 93% match vs all users

13. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) ..... 17.15 - CL25
Top 94% match vs all users

14. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) ..... 17.23 - CL38
Top 93% match vs all users

15. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 17.29 - I9033
Top 94% match vs all users

16. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 17.86 - I7424
Top 92% match vs all users

17. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 18.18 - SI-41
Top 93% match vs all users

18. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 19.11 - NS3c
Top 89% match vs all users

19. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 19.3 - SZ28
Top 86% match vs all users

20. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 19.48 - I3575
Top 89% match vs all users

21. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 19.52 - CL23
Top 87% match vs all users

22. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 19.53 - I7499
Top 91% match vs all users

23. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 19.55 - I9041
Top 94% match vs all users

24. Bronze Age Armenia (1500 BC) ..... 20.04 - Rise397
Top 99% match vs all users

25. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 20.57 - I12031
Top 57% match vs all users

26. Torna Alta Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 20.91 - I3808
Top 92% match vs all users

27. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 20.97 - scy192
Top 86% match vs all users

28. Copper Age Anatolia (3800 BC) ..... 21.0 - I0184
Top 95% match vs all users

29. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 21.17 - I4332
Top 80% match vs all users

30. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 21.17 - I5769
Top 80% match vs all users

31. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 21.78 - I3576
Top 86% match vs all users

32. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 21.99 - SZ45
Top 31% match vs all users

33. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 22.31 - I3313
Top 65% match vs all users

34. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) ..... 22.38 - I4930
Top 94% match vs all users

35. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 22.72 - I7425
Top 81% match vs all users

36. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 22.79 - I3582
Top 85% match vs all users

37. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 22.98 - I9006
Top 93% match vs all users

38. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 23.23 - I9010
Top 93% match vs all users

39. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 23.26 - I3981
Top 83% match vs all users

40. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 23.53 - I3983
Top 83% match vs all users

41. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) ..... 23.76 - I3980
Top 89% match vs all users

42. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 23.78 - I2515
Top 74% match vs all users

43. Copper Age Armenia (4000 BC) ..... 23.8 - I1631
Top 97% match vs all users

44. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) ..... 23.89 - MA2208
Top 93% match vs all users

45. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 23.9 - I3581
Top 84% match vs all users

46. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 23.98 - SZ18
Top 25% match vs all users

47. Ancient Greek Empuries (275 BC) ..... 23.99 - I8208
Top 94% match vs all users

48. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 24.13 - I12515
Top 71% match vs all users

49. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 24.31 - CL57
Top 31% match vs all users

50. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 24.35 - I2514
Top 69% match vs all users

51. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 24.61 - I2647
Top 78% match vs all users

52. Crete Armenoi (1370 BC) ..... 24.63 - I9123
Top 98% match vs all users

53. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 24.65 - CL94
Top 38% match vs all users

54. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 24.79 - MJ12
Top 78% match vs all users

55. Ashkelon Philistine (1150 BC) ..... 24.95 - ASH2-3_ASH_IA1
Top 94% match vs all users

56. Hittite Anatolia (1875 BC) ..... 25.15 - MA2206
Top 94% match vs all users

57. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 25.17 - LSD021
Top 78% match vs all users

58. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 25.18 - I4331
Top 54% match vs all users

59. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 25.26 - I2644
Top 82% match vs all users

60. Hellenic Ottoman (1500 AD) ..... 25.51 - MA2196
Top 97% match vs all users

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info

Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate 1050 AD

I7499

Total cM=28.83 Largest segment=9.55 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 42) - Your raw DNA is 86 % closer than other matching users
Carthaginian Roman 275 BC

I8204

Total cM=3.37 Largest segment=3.37 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 5) - Your raw DNA is 62 % closer than other matching usersAncient Egypt 50 BC

JK2888

Total cM=2.93 Largest segment=2.93 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 2) - Your raw DNA is 35 % closer than other matching users
Central Roman 590 AD

SZ32

Total cM=2.28 Largest segment=2.28 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is 41 % closer than other matching usersCentral Roman / Mixed 590 AD

SZ19

Total cM=2.26 Largest segment=2.26 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is 13 % closer than other matching usersMycenaean 1350 BC

I9006

Total cM=3.85 Largest segment=2.12 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 13) - Your raw DNA is 52 % closer than other matching users
Hellenic Roman / Cretan 670 AD

CL38

Total cM=2.06 Largest segment=2.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is 43 % closer than other matching users
Scythian Moldova 270 BC

scy192

Total cM=2.0 Largest segment=2.0 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is 18 % closer than other matching users
Mycenaean 1350 BC

I9041

Total cM=3.6 Largest segment=1.85 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 15) - Your raw DNA is 48 % closer than other matching users
Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese 670 AD

CL30

Total cM=1.77 Largest segment=1.77 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is 20 % closer than other matching users

Your closest genetic modern populations...

1. Greek (4.527)
2. Central_Greek (7.982)
3. Kosovan (8.080)
4. Italian_Abruzzo (8.354)
5. Greek_Thessaly (8.496)
6. Greek_Islands (9.640)
7. East_Sicilian (9.784)
8. Greek_Crete (10.30)

Edit: Updated

Joey37
31-08-19, 02:36
Franks and Visigoths!11359

Salento
07-09-19, 18:10
3D Ancient in color (Start - Middle - ...)

https://i.imgur.com/34n8hw8.png

https://i.imgur.com/QjgXiDG.png

https://i.imgur.com/vqqxvzg.png

https://i.imgur.com/eYCGpYu.png

Carlos
07-09-19, 20:43
92. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 20.68 - I2458 (Click for more info)
Top 42% match vs all users

New result.
Is a migration Fromm North Spain todo Britain Islands? Is make the Stotengeguen

torzio
08-09-19, 00:39
mine .......after this set , the other are more than 13.0000



1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.349 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


2. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 8.469 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.971 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.665 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.851 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.03 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.08 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

9. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.21 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 96% match vs all users

10. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.57 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 96% match vs all users

11. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 11.65 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

12. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.91 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

13. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 12.0 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 91% match vs all users

14. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 12.33 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

15. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 12.33 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users

16. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 97% match vs all users



my new results after today

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.349 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.971 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.665 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.851 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.03 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.08 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.21 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 96% match vs all users

9. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 11.57 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 95% match vs all users

10. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 11.65 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

11. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 11.81 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

Salento
08-09-19, 01:57
@Torzio

Your top y T sample (CL23) dropped some and the other T (SZ36) went up.

Are the 2 results you posted from the same Raw-Data?


My Top y T sample (SZ36) goes from first to second depending on the RawData.

for example:

Combined RawData:
https://i.imgur.com/I9js78V.jpg

Ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/itAmcxk.jpg


23v5:

https://i.imgur.com/CAMMNFl.jpg

torzio
08-09-19, 06:27
@Torzio

Your top y T sample (CL23) dropped some and the other T (SZ36) went up.

Are the 2 results you posted from the same Raw-Data?


My Top y T sample (SZ36) goes from first to second depending on the RawData.

for example:

Combined RawData:
https://i.imgur.com/I9js78V.jpg

Ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/itAmcxk.jpg


23v5:

https://i.imgur.com/CAMMNFl.jpg

Yes same data... i never give them a different one... always from ftdna , nit my 23andme or other one

Stuvanè
08-09-19, 12:01
Some new updates among my "grandpas" :)

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/70204852_952164295117711_6527552044478234624_n.png ?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQmxM4QfXyO0sl8A-kqV27iVLvZvzPhJtwTuw9rnw36B9xHNNzkXNV6hwZPtsttjVzo&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=1740f3346e30856c3c5b3a7b226d9047&oe=5E0A9580





You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)Medieval Iberian
670 AD
CL23



Total cM=32.35
Largest segment=23.21 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 45) - (Sample is too new for user comparison)


Chr. 16

23.21 cM











Chr. 20

9.13 cM









Illyrian / Dalmatian
1600 BC
I4331



Total cM=19.15
Largest segment=8.57 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 36) - Your raw DNA is
91% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

3.61 cM











Chr. 2

8.57 cM











Chr. 14

3.42 cM











Chr. 19

3.54 cM









Scythian Moldova
290 BC
scy311



Total cM=6.63
Largest segment=6.63 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is
22% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

6.63 cM









Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD
I7499



Total cM=14.31
Largest segment=5.65 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 42) - Your raw DNA is
81% closer than other matching users


Chr. 4

5.65 cM











Chr. 18

4.53 cM











Chr. 19

4.13 cM









Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD
I12515



Total cM=5.36
Largest segment=5.36 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 31) - Your raw DNA is
35% closer than other matching users


Chr. 12

5.36 cM









Iberian Cordoba Caliphate
1050 AD
I7498



Total cM=11.44
Largest segment=4.67 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 34) - Your raw DNA is
91% closer than other matching users


Chr. 4

4.67 cM











Chr. 7

3.55 cM











Chr. 19

3.21 cM









Iberian / Piedmont
670 AD
CL94



Total cM=8.17
Largest segment=4.23 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
67% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

4.23 cM











Chr. 12

3.93 cM









Byzantine Roman Warrior
605 AD
NS3b



Total cM=3.27
Largest segment=3.27 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 37) - Your raw DNA is
9% closer than other matching users


Chr. 19

3.27 cM









Thuringii Tribe
420 AD
AED_1108



Total cM=3.06
Largest segment=3.06 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 12) - Your raw DNA is
19% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

3.06 cM









Scythian Moldova
270 BC
scy192



Total cM=4.8
Largest segment=2.54 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is
53% closer than other matching users


Chr. 12

2.26 cM











Chr. 15

2.54 cM









Hellenic Roman / Cretan
670 AD
CL38



Total cM=6.49
Largest segment=2.33 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
85% closer than other matching users


Chr. 4

1.88 cM











Chr. 11

2.27 cM











Chr. 19

2.33 cM









Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea
900 BC
MJ12



Total cM=2.05
Largest segment=2.05 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 18) - Your raw DNA is
10% closer than other matching users


Chr. 11

2.05 cM









Central Roman
590 AD
SZ32



Total cM=1.9
Largest segment=1.9 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
63% closer than other matching users


Chr. 6

1.9 cM









Medieval Frank
670 AD
CL63



Total cM=1.72
Largest segment=1.72 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
37% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

1.72 cM

Duarte
08-09-19, 13:57
I deleted the old data and made a new upload. There was changes only in my Top 60 of ancient samples.

https://i.imgur.com/V4DrMR5.png
https://i.imgur.com/GHPGM08.png
https://i.imgur.com/cnfCvEw.png
https://i.imgur.com/5Mg1Xj2.png
https://i.imgur.com/OpbaVDd.png

Joey37
08-09-19, 17:59
11389I get Saxons now! 11390

blevins13
08-09-19, 18:05
According to the Amorim charts of genetic structure at Szolad and Collegno: These were the Pannonian Roman samples

SZ43 is mostly TSI or Tuscan-like with about 30pc IBS (Iberian-like), with less than 10pc CEU+GBR (North European);

SZ36 is about 75pc Tuscan-like and 25pc Iberian (IBS);

SZ32 is about 60pc TSI and 40pc IBS;

SZ19 is 100pc TSI or Tuscan-like.

This is strange.....
11391

What is the meaning of this

11392


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Salento
08-09-19, 19:40
This is strange.....
11391

What is the meaning of this

11392


I don’t see what so strange about it.

Ain’t you happy, Smile, you’re a Salentino too. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/itAmcxk.jpg

... just kidding :)

blevins13
08-09-19, 21:23
I don’t see what so strange about it.

Ain’t you happy, Smile, you’re a Salentino too. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/itAmcxk.jpg

... just kidding :)

If this mean I am Salentino.....great, it seems more than you.


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Angela
08-09-19, 21:57
This is strange.....
11391

What is the meaning of this

11392


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It means Albanians and Tuscans are relatively similar, which we've known forever. On some PCAs Albanians are eastward shifted Tuscans, while on some they overlap. It depends on the Tuscan samples used and sometimes on who's doing the PCA, if you want my personal opinion (i.e. what they want to prove).

Albanians are also like a northern subset of mainland Greeks on some PCAs.

None of this is new, really.

My latest ancient matches:
https://i.imgur.com/ZXh9aTc.png

There's one gedmatch test which has no Northern Italian or even Tuscan samples. The algorithm searched for the next closest groups, and if I remember correctly, it came out Bulgarian first and then Albanian.

@Dibran,
SZ36 is the one who is most Tuscan like. SZ43 is a bit different. Maybe drifting toward the Romagna?

My closest result is SZ43 which is slightly north of SZ36, the most Tuscan like sample, which makes sense for the Lunigiana/eastern Liguria, and my next closest is a Collegno sample which is similar to Emilians (and I'm half Emilian), CL36. It all makes perfect sense, at least for me.https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

blevins13
08-09-19, 22:13
It means Albanians and Tuscans are relatively similar, which we've known forever. On some PCAs Albanians are eastward shifted Tuscans, while on some they overlap. It depends on the Tuscan samples used and sometimes on who's doing the PCA, if you want my personal opinion (i.e. what they want to prove).

Albanians are also like a northern subset of mainland Greeks on some PCAs.

None of this is new, really.

My latest ancient matches:
https://i.imgur.com/ZXh9aTc.png

There's one gedmatch test which has no Northern Italian or even Tuscan samples. The algorithm searched for the next closest groups, and if I remember correctly, it came out Bulgarian first and then Albanian.

@Dibran,
SZ36 is the one who is most Tuscan like. SZ43 is a bit different. Maybe drifting toward the Romagna?

My closest result is SZ43 which is slightly north of SZ36, the most Tuscan like sample, which makes sense for the Lunigiana/eastern Liguria, and my next closest is a Collegno sample which is similar to Emilians (and I'm half Emilian), CL36. It all makes perfect sense, at least for me.https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg

Thanks for your explanation.


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Salento
09-09-19, 02:03
If this mean I am Salentino.....great, it seems more than you.


They gave you a better explanation.

Keep in mind that under the right circumstances we can see each other’s Countries.

I saw Albania a few times from San Foca and Otranto (Salento, Italy).

There has been and there still is some exchange between our shores that has been going on for Millennia.

The Albanian Mountains viewed from Salento (Italy)

http://2.citynews-lecceprima.stgy.ovh/~media/original-hi/50816656676607/otranto-_albania-2.jpg

https://www.lecceprima.it/speciale/foto-giorno/l-albania-vista-dal-porto-di-otranto.html

torzio
09-09-19, 02:23
@Torzio

Your top y T sample (CL23) dropped some and the other T (SZ36) went up.

Are the 2 results you posted from the same Raw-Data?


My Top y T sample (SZ36) goes from first to second depending on the RawData.

for example:

Combined RawData:
https://i.imgur.com/I9js78V.jpg

Ancestry:

https://i.imgur.com/itAmcxk.jpg


23v5:

https://i.imgur.com/CAMMNFl.jpg

What is sz28 marker.....different papers state different things

Salento
09-09-19, 02:47
What is sz28 marker.....different papers state different things
For MTA SZ28 is a Gallo Roman:

https://i.imgur.com/dl51TFa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gA0qxOb.jpg


SZ28 Modern Group

1. North_Italian (5.633)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (8.510)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (10.02)
4. Spanish_Valencia (10.03)
5. Portuguese (10.26)
6. Spanish_Murcia (10.30)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (10.31)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.41)


SZ28 PCA Ancient
https://i.imgur.com/ovz2P0W.jpg


SZ28 PCA Modern
https://i.imgur.com/42K7cYs.jpg

torzio
09-09-19, 03:12
For MTA SZ28 is a Gallo Roman:

https://i.imgur.com/dl51TFa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gA0qxOb.jpg


SZ28 Modern Group

1. North_Italian (5.633)
2. Spanish_Andalucia (8.510)
3. Spanish_Extremadura (10.02)
4. Spanish_Valencia (10.03)
5. Portuguese (10.26)
6. Spanish_Murcia (10.30)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (10.31)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.41)


SZ28 PCA Ancient
https://i.imgur.com/ovz2P0W.jpg


SZ28 PCA Modern
https://i.imgur.com/42K7cYs.jpg

I mean its mtdna as it is a female

Salento
09-09-19, 03:23
I mean its mtdna as it is a female

Edit:

SZ28 mtDNA is H3b5 according to:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327714843_Supplementary_Material_4/data/5ba04e4b45851574f7d26254/41467-2018-6024-MOESM4-ESM.xlsx

... the link works perfectly on my Safari browser.

torzio
09-09-19, 07:35

Edit:

SZ28 mtDNA is H3b5 according to:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/327714843_Supplementary_Material_4/data/5ba04e4b45851574f7d26254/41467-2018-6024-MOESM4-ESM.xlsx

... the link works perfectly on my Safari browser.

thanks


my father results below.........i ignored anything from 97% or lower

1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 8.072 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.577 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.617 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.818 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.835 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.835 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.766 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

LABERIA
09-09-19, 07:54
It means Albanians and Tuscans are relatively similar, which we've known forever. On some PCAs Albanians are eastward shifted Tuscans, while on some they overlap. It depends on the Tuscan samples used and sometimes on who's doing the PCA, if you want my personal opinion (i.e. what they want to prove).

Albanians are also like a northern subset of mainland Greeks on some PCAs.

None of this is new, really.

My latest ancient matches:
https://i.imgur.com/ZXh9aTc.png

There's one gedmatch test which has no Northern Italian or even Tuscan samples. The algorithm searched for the next closest groups, and if I remember correctly, it came out Bulgarian first and then Albanian.

@Dibran,
SZ36 is the one who is most Tuscan like. SZ43 is a bit different. Maybe drifting toward the Romagna?

My closest result is SZ43 which is slightly north of SZ36, the most Tuscan like sample, which makes sense for the Lunigiana/eastern Liguria, and my next closest is a Collegno sample which is similar to Emilians (and I'm half Emilian), CL36. It all makes perfect sense, at least for me.https://i.imgur.com/e3IiDzp.jpg
Very, very, interesting.

torzio
09-09-19, 19:49
thanks


my father results below.........i ignored anything from 97% or lower

1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 8.072 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.577 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.617 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.818 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.835 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.835 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.766 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users




my first cousin, once removed from Cles , Val di Non, Trentino, Italy ...................with mtdna of T1a1e

1. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 5.549 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.369 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.084 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.479 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

5. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 8.056 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.625 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.109 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

torzio
09-09-19, 19:54
my wife new results ......huge % drop from 4 to 5 in the placings


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 6.716 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.715 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.715 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 8.97 - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 10.04 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 95% match vs all users

Salento
12-09-19, 02:33
Kit Reupload, New Deep Dive:
CL25 CL36 SZ32 SZ19 CL121 CL38 CL30 NS3c ...


https://i.imgur.com/FRSfaQl.jpg
... matching with K36 Ancient: CL25, SZ19, CL36

https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg

Salento
12-09-19, 22:13
New Combined Kit (23 format)

Map of Closest matches from Ancient Times:

https://i.imgur.com/VuxJ1l3.jpg

Deep Dive map:

https://i.imgur.com/jAxFfhy.jpg

Mix PCA:

https://i.imgur.com/lhfOPbh.jpg

Deep Dive:
https://i.imgur.com/XYmuiVk.jpg

Archaeogenetic matches...

https://i.imgur.com/XxA1tz4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aKSE51d.jpg

Dibran
13-09-19, 20:37
................

Thank you for your response. For some reason wasn't sent notification. Apologies for delay. I assume I shift so much to these Tuscan like samples due to the very elevated "IT" component me and my father have. Highest average is among Tuscans but we have even higher than they. I imagine this is why me and my father shift towards them.

Mine updated a little bit as well:

https://i.postimg.cc/5ygmq08k/hk1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/6QCnfqXL/hk2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/R01JnY7g/hk3.png

https://i.postimg.cc/q7Gg73rY/hk4.png

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)


1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.095 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.978 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.66 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.11 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users

5. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 12.32 - I9033 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

6. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.22 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users

7. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 13.63 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

8. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 13.63 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

9. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 13.67 - CL121 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

10. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.72 - SZ40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

11. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 13.96 - SZ19 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96
% match vs all users

12. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.95 - I3575 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

13. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 15.13 - I3576 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

14. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 15.27 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93
% match vs all users

15. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.44 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

16. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 15.44 - SI-53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users

17. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 15.7 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

18. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) ..... 16.46 - I4930 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

19. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.64 - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

20. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 17.3 - I3983 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95
% match vs all users

21. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.51 - I3582 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

22. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 17.81 - I12647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93
% match vs all users

23. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 17.87 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92
% match vs all users

24. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 18.35 - I7425 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91
% match vs all users

25. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 18.53 - I3981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91
% match vs all users

26. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 18.58 - I9041 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

27. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 18.58 - I7499 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92
% match vs all users

28. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 18.82 - I3581 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

29. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 18.97 - MJ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93
% match vs all users

30. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 19.0 - SI-41 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92
% match vs all users

31. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 19.11 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
48
% match vs all users

32. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.13 - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
87
% match vs all users

33. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.15 - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
68
% match vs all users

34. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 19.45 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
80
% match vs all users

35. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 19.81 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
72
% match vs all users

36. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 19.84 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86
% match vs all users

37. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 19.92 - I4331 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
85
% match vs all users

38. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) ..... 19.98 - CL25 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93
% match vs all users

39. Torna Alta Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 20.12 - I3808 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93
% match vs all users

40. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 20.2 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
37
% match vs all users

41. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) ..... 20.27 - CL38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92
% match vs all users

42. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 20.3 - I12515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
85
% match vs all users

43. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 20.45 - I9006 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

44. Ashkelon Philistine (1150 BC) ..... 20.63 - ASH068_ASH_IA1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

45. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) ..... 20.73 - I3980 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93
% match vs all users

46. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 20.79 - I3585 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
89
% match vs all users

47. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 21.0 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
84
% match vs all users

48. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 21.05 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91
% match vs all users

49. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 21.1 - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
36
% match vs all users

50. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 21.15 - MA2198 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
90
% match vs all users

51. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 21.22 - CL30 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91
% match vs all users

52. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 21.32 - I9010 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94
% match vs all users

53. Ancient Greek Empuries (275 BC) ..... 21.8 - I8208 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users

54. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 21.86 - I7498 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86
% match vs all users

55. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 21.88 - I12514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
74
% match vs all users

56. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 21.93 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
41
% match vs all users

57. Trypillia (3500 BC) ..... 22.05 - I1926 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99
% match vs all users

58. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) ..... 22.15 - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
31
% match vs all users

59. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 22.31 - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
31
% match vs all users

60. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 22.96 - AED_1108 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
28
% match vs all users

Angela
13-09-19, 20:49
Thank you for your response. For some reason wasn't sent notification. Apologies for delay. I assume I shift so much to these Tuscan like samples due to the very elevated "IT" component me and my father have. Highest average is among Tuscans but we have even higher than they. I imagine this is why me and my father shift towards them.

Mine updated a little bit as well:

https://i.postimg.cc/5ygmq08k/hk1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/6QCnfqXL/hk2.png

https://i.postimg.cc/R01JnY7g/hk3.png

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Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

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1. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.095 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.978 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 11.66 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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4. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 12.11 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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5. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 12.32 - I9033 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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6. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.22 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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7. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 13.63 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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8. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 13.63 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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9. Hellenic Roman (670 AD) ..... 13.67 - CL121 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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10. Hellenic Roman (590 AD) ..... 13.72 - SZ40 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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11. Central Roman / Mixed (590 AD) ..... 13.96 - SZ19 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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12. Late Roman Iberia Granada (650 AD) ..... 14.95 - I3575 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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13. Late Roman Iberia Granada (470 AD) ..... 15.13 - I3576 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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14. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 15.27 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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15. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 15.44 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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16. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 15.44 - SI-53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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17. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 15.7 - NS3b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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18. Sicily Beaker (2200 BC) ..... 16.46 - I4930 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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19. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 16.64 - I2647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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20. Roman Iberia Granada (350 AD) ..... 17.3 - I3983 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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21. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 17.51 - I3582 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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22. Hispano-Roman Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 17.81 - I12647 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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23. Hellenic Iberian Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 17.87 - I7424 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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24. Morisco Convert Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 18.35 - I7425 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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25. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 18.53 - I3981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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26. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 18.58 - I9041 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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27. Hellenic Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 18.58 - I7499 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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28. Late Roman Iberia Granada (500 AD) ..... 18.82 - I3581 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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29. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 18.97 - MJ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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30. Crusader Knight Tuscan / Lebanon (1250 AD) ..... 19.0 - SI-41 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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31. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 19.11 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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32. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 19.13 - I2649 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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33. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 19.15 - I12031 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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34. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 19.45 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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35. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 19.81 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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36. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1100 AD) ..... 19.84 - I2515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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37. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 19.92 - I4331 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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38. Hellenic Roman / Calabria (670 AD) ..... 19.98 - CL25 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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39. Torna Alta Andalusia (1550 AD) ..... 20.12 - I3808 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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40. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 20.2 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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41. Hellenic Roman / Cretan (670 AD) ..... 20.27 - CL38 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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42. Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 20.3 - I12515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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43. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 20.45 - I9006 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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44. Ashkelon Philistine (1150 BC) ..... 20.63 - ASH068_ASH_IA1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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45. Early Medieval Iberia Granada (515 AD) ..... 20.73 - I3980 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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46. Early Medieval Andalusia (760 AD) ..... 20.79 - I3585 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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47. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1120 AD) ..... 21.0 - I2514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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48. Iberian Taifa of Valencia (1200 AD) ..... 21.05 - I2644 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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49. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 21.1 - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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50. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 21.15 - MA2198 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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51. Hellenic Roman / Dodecanese (670 AD) ..... 21.22 - CL30 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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52. Mycenaean (1350 BC) ..... 21.32 - I9010 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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53. Ancient Greek Empuries (275 BC) ..... 21.8 - I8208 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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54. Iberian Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 21.86 - I7498 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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55. Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate (1050 AD) ..... 21.88 - I12514 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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56. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 21.93 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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57. Trypillia (3500 BC) ..... 22.05 - I1926 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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58. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) ..... 22.15 - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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59. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 22.31 - scy311 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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60. Thuringii Tribe (420 AD) ..... 22.96 - AED_1108 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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This is one of the reasons I was always skeptical of the "Herodotus version" of Etruscan ethnogenesis. It seemed to me that the difference between the Albanians and the Tuscans was Northwest European versus Slavic, not the rest of the components. So, did the migration from Anatolia to Italy specifically in the first millenium BC also go to the northern Balkans? There was certainly no mention of it, and other ancient authors had a different opinion. Then, of course, there was all the archaeological evidence. So, maybe something was wrong with the narrative preferred by internet population geneticists.

digital_noise
14-09-19, 01:28
They gave you a better explanation.

Keep in mind that under the right circumstances we can see each other’s Countries.

I saw Albania a few times from San Foca and Otranto (Salento, Italy).

There has been and there still is some exchange between our shores that has been going on for Millennia.

The Albanian Mountains viewed from Salento (Italy)

http://2.citynews-lecceprima.stgy.ovh/~media/original-hi/50816656676607/otranto-_albania-2.jpg

https://www.lecceprima.it/speciale/foto-giorno/l-albania-vista-dal-porto-di-otranto.html
I knew it was close but this really puts it into perspective. For all I know, my paternal ancestors swam over lol...

Salento
14-09-19, 02:21
I knew it was close but this really puts it into perspective. For all I know, my paternal ancestors swam over lol...

45 miles (72 km) from Capo d'Otranto, the Easternmost point of Italy, therefore it’s the closest point to Albania (Across the Adriatic Sea).

https://i.imgur.com/Fvkg1KJ.jpg

Duarte
14-09-19, 03:17
MTA - New Feature - My Archaeogenetic Map of Iberia.

https://i.imgur.com/dXBQRYX.png
https://i.imgur.com/xQPQ1Xf.png
https://i.imgur.com/HLjLNo6.png
https://i.imgur.com/ghys9Tq.png
https://i.imgur.com/umzHiEx.png
https://i.imgur.com/0M2ABEl.png

Stuvanè
14-09-19, 17:57
A mysterious Indo-Greek has also appeared here :)


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/71329864_2371511986447932_949067779619684352_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQkTK9eZ4ixCyRaJcZ-lyY8K9D4cscbcbvjzJuxHPEnkImXxQm-YucfArMOpJv1Wnks&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=df4e9a567c4674d57f1be33c23ee1abb&oe=5DF4FD61

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/70028896_2448635608715544_7143763178667638784_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQn2GLuymMRw1T7TOmErkwWUldWvzq_sH36tjKAgMlh RpDZOGOdW55skWkLtWY2773I&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=31b2a2c0ff0a53f1d6738d01ec8965f5&oe=5E39E88D

snkves
14-09-19, 18:27
Updated


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

1. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) ..... 4.019 - I0112
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 4.987 - ALH_1
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3. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 5.659 - Unknown
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4. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) ..... 6.668 - SZ16
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5. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 6.934 - Sigtuna stg021
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6. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.141 - stg021
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7. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 7.274 - I5512
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8. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.396 - Hinxton HS3
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9. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth (400 AD) ..... 7.457 - MJ19
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10. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.761 - Sigtuna grt036
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11. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.793 - AED_249
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12. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 7.916 - Shohola
Top 88% match vs all users

13. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 8.203 - HinxtonO1
Top 70% match vs all users

14. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 8.514 - I2981
Top 78% match vs all users

15. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 8.688 - I5471
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16. Young Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 8.722 - NS6
Top 76% match vs all users

17. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 8.783 - I2452
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18. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) ..... 9.003 - STR_316
Top 91% match vs all users

19. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 9.096 - I5382
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20. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 9.406 - KOV-A2
Top 76% match vs all users

21. Anglo Saxon Oakington (470 AD) ..... 9.408 - OakO4
Top 82% match vs all users

22. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 9.44 - I2860
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23. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 9.484 - TSK-A26
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24. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.499 - SZ42
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25. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 9.519 - I5377
Top 68% match vs all users

26. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.534 - 3DRIF-16
Top 77% match vs all users

27. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 9.546 - scy006
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28. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 9.599 - I5367
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29. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.676 - VDP-A7
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30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.753 - SZ15
Top 68% match vs all users

31. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 9.756 - BIM_33
Top 84% match vs all users

32. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 9.924 - I2447
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33. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.929 - 6DRIF-21
Top 79% match vs all users

34. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 9.974 - SZ23
Top 63% match vs all users

35. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.01 - SZ2
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36. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) ..... 10.13 - I0806
Top 92% match vs all users

37. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.17 - SZ7
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38. Bell Beaker England (2000 BC) ..... 10.17 - I6679
Top 95% match vs all users

39. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 10.21 - I2568
Top 70% match vs all users

40. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 10.36 - I7573
Top 82% match vs all users

41. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.41 - SZ12
Top 71% match vs all users

42. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 10.42 - VDP-A6
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43. Halstatt (775 BC) ..... 10.48 - DA112
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44. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 10.51 - I1767
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45. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.52 - SZ11
Top 82% match vs all users

46. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 10.53 - I2859
Top 69% match vs all users

47. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 10.59 - I5383
Top 66% match vs all users

48. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) ..... 10.63 - I0099
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49. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 10.69 - AED_106
Top 96% match vs all users

50. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 10.87 - SZ38
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51. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.09 - GRS-A1
Top 76% match vs all users

52. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.12 - SZ14
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53. Frankish Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.14 - NS12c
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54. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.15 - SSG-A2
Top 64% match vs all users

55. Celtic Briton (0 AD) ..... 11.15 - Hinxton 4
Top 67% match vs all users

56. Estonia Iron Age (0 AD) ..... 11.18 - Rise00
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57. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 11.2 - I12162
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58. Bell Beaker Salisbury (2200 BC) ..... 11.22 - I6777
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59. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.24 - SZ22
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60. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) ..... 11.28 - Rise61
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61. Beaeker-Scythian Ukraine (580 BC) ..... 11.33 - MJ13
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62. Viking Sweden (935 AD) ..... 11.34 - gtm021
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63. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 11.4 - ALH_10
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64. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) ..... 11.41 - I2566
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65. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.42 - SZ4
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66. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 11.42 - I5513
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67. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.43 - SZ9
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68. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 11.47 - I8206
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69. Western Pomerania Unetice (2000 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise139
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70. Western Pomerania Unetice (1860 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise109
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71. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) ..... 11.54 - Rise150
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72. Gallic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 11.63 - 6DRIF-22
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73. Ostrogoth Nordic (520 AD) ..... 11.68 - STR_220
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74. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 11.73 - 97029
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75. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 11.74 - I3875
Top 63% match vs all users

76. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.8 - ORE-A1
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77. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) ..... 11.83 - Rathlin1
Top 86% match vs all users

78. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.87 - SZ24
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79. Alemanni Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.94 - NS1
Top 68% match vs all users

80. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) ..... 11.97 - I4251
Top 84% match vs all users

81. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 12.07 - CL84
Top 76% match vs all users

82. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (1860 BC) ..... 12.07 - Rise395
Top 97% match vs all users

83. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 12.08 - I5515
Top 70% match vs all users

84. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 12.16 - I2097
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85. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 12.18 - I2443
Top 93% match vs all users

86. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.22 - KNS-A1
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87. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 12.24 - Rise577
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88. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 12.28 - I2653
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89. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.31 - Sigtuna 84001
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90. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.35 - stg020
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91. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.35 - DAV-A9
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92. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.36 - VDP-A5
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93. Bell Beaker England (2165 BC) ..... 12.37 - I2453
Top 82% match vs all users

94. Pre-Viking Sweden (500 AD) ..... 12.4 - Rise174 Oxie7
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95. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) ..... 12.5 - I3255
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96. Viking High-Ranking Shieldmaiden (950 AD) ..... 12.53 - brk581
Top 94% match vs all users

97. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.67 - Sigtuna 84005
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98. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.77 - Sigtuna urm160
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99. Germano-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 12.78 - 6DRIF-3
Top 62% match vs all users

100. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 12.8 - I2573
Top 65% match vs all users

https://i.imgur.com/3VjecwM.jpg


5 new Deep Dive matches, 25 in total

https://i.imgur.com/k5bjTuD.png

Jovialis
15-09-19, 01:26
Re-uploaded my DNAkit Studio Superkit. Deep dive results are a notable change with the update. Also, I get the Indo-Greek on my map as well now.

https://i.imgur.com/9GjjJZ4.png
https://i.imgur.com/EPh2uNh.png
https://i.imgur.com/ppDjX5b.png
https://i.imgur.com/JjHIFW9.png
https://i.imgur.com/COi9oRb.png

Salento
15-09-19, 03:14
I'm beginning to think that so many of these new exotic obscure populations contain ancient overlapping components with the mainstream.

imho The algorithm needs to be calibrated.
It sees a Root Component and start assigning samples with that root component at random.

I doubt it ...

Hopefully they'll figure out how to fix it by the next update :)

Salento
16-09-19, 05:17
https://i.imgur.com/nOrljOv.jpg

Ancient Ancestry (Premium Map):
https://i.imgur.com/YbOTEMA.jpg


Deep Dive Map:
https://i.imgur.com/OY89flc.jpg


Ancestral Timelapse GIF:
https://i.imgur.com/JvDij9K.gif

Duarte
16-09-19, 10:50
A mysterious Indo-Greek has also appeared here :)


https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/71329864_2371511986447932_949067779619684352_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQkTK9eZ4ixCyRaJcZ-lyY8K9D4cscbcbvjzJuxHPEnkImXxQm-YucfArMOpJv1Wnks&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=df4e9a567c4674d57f1be33c23ee1abb&oe=5DF4FD61

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/70028896_2448635608715544_7143763178667638784_n.jp g?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQn2GLuymMRw1T7TOmErkwWUldWvzq_sH36tjKAgMlh RpDZOGOdW55skWkLtWY2773I&_nc_ht=scontent-mxp1-1.xx&oh=31b2a2c0ff0a53f1d6738d01ec8965f5&oe=5E39E88D


Re-uploaded my DNAkit Studio Superkit. Deep dive results are a notable change with the update. Also, I get the Indo-Greek on my map as well now.

https://i.imgur.com/9GjjJZ4.png
https://i.imgur.com/EPh2uNh.png
https://i.imgur.com/ppDjX5b.png
https://i.imgur.com/JjHIFW9.png
https://i.imgur.com/COi9oRb.png


I'm beginning to think that so many of these new exotic obscure populations contain ancient overlapping components with the mainstream.

imho The algorithm needs to be calibrated.
It sees a Root Component and start assigning samples with that root component at random.

I doubt it ...

Hopefully they'll figure out how to fix it by the next update :)

Guys, I think that these new "exotic obscure populations" are related to this:

https://i.imgur.com/Fd5l4TH.jpg

Hugs to all, dear friends :good_job::smile:

Stuvanè
16-09-19, 11:50
Guys, I think that these new "exotic obscure populations" are related to this:

https://i.imgur.com/Fd5l4TH.jpg

Hugs to all, dear friends :good_job::smile:

Thanks, Duarte. Now everything is clear.


I just discussed it in private yesterday with Pax and other friends.


I went to check on the paper and its supplements: he should date back to 167-46 BC, male, paternal haplogroup J1 and maternal M30b. We have investigated his autosomal analysis and in some ways he seems to be very "autochthonous" (an Iranic / Central Asian guy with some southern influence from India, we are probably talking about a Saka / eastern Scythian, more or less hellenized), however in lack of other more precise elements they rightly give a more generic indication, classifying him among the Indo-Greeks.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/03/31/292581.DC1/292581-1.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/03/31/292581.DC1/292581-2.xlsx


Since it appears among the matches of several Italians, both northern and southern, and given the considerable geographical distance that separates us, it would perhaps be more correct to assume that this genetic contact is to be attributed to a more archaic predecessor, common to both Indo-Europeans projected to Asia, and to those who poured into Europe :)

Duarte
16-09-19, 14:01
Don't you think this is pure cheating? How many cM can be inherited after 2000 years from just one or a few individuals who lived in those times ?! Virtually zero, or just be an extremely rare coincidence of identical 0.N cM recombination, but not an inheritance from those times. This is what I think.

Remembering Tomenable contribution to this thread:


It depends, Clovis Anzick-1 has very long (many cM) matches to modern Native Americans, even though he lived thousands of years ago. It has been discussed a few years ago in this thread (and such long matches with Anzick-1 were on GEDmatch, so the same methodology as with matches between modern people):

https://forums.familytreedna.com/forum/universal-lineage-testing-autosomal-dna/family-finder-advanced-topics/14839-clovis-anzick-1-amerindian-ancient-dna-have-matches-with-living-people

Quote: "you might be surprised to hear this 11,000 year old infant has some 3rd cousins living today"

Joey37
16-09-19, 15:04
Also, here's a useful tip for people of Germano-Celtic ancestry who don't get any Celtic tribes in their analysis. (I get Franks, Visigoths, and Saxons as my tribes, and per the useful Ancestry hack-which they've gotten rid of, sadly-I am 65% Germanic and 32% Celtic) Very few ancient Celtic tribes have Germanic admixture, while quite a few Germanic tribes, who were in the vanguard of the expansion into Celtic lands, have Celtic admixture. So this is why my first tribe is the Franks, an outer Germanic tribe in the west of their lands with decent Celtic admixture. My shared DNA sample is Bronze Age Scotland, either a cousin or an ancestor of my great-great-grandmother, a descendant of the Forbushes of Edinburgh.

eastara
16-09-19, 15:36
Thanks, Duarte. Now everything is clear.


I just discussed it in private yesterday with Pax and other friends.


I went to check on the paper and its supplements: he should date back to 167-46 BC, male, paternal haplogroup J1 and maternal M30b. We have investigated his autosomal analysis and in some ways he seems to be very "autochthonous" (an Iranic / Central Asian guy with some southern influence from India, we are probably talking about a Saka / eastern Scythian, more or less hellenized), however in lack of other more precise elements they rightly give a more generic indication, classifying him among the Indo-Greeks.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/03/31/292581.DC1/292581-1.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/03/31/292581.DC1/292581-2.xlsx


Since it appears among the matches of several Italians, both northern and southern, and given the considerable geographical distance that separates us, it would perhaps be more correct to assume that this genetic contact is to be attributed to a more archaic predecessor, common to both Indo-Europeans projected to Asia, and to those who poured into Europe :)

There is something wrong with this Butkara_IA sample. Suddenly it appears as the closest ancient sample to most Bulgarians and Macedonians. He is even not a "pure" Ancient Greek or Thracian, who may have followed Alexander, but a mixture of Steppe and Indian. How about other Balkan people?

Here are my results:
Greco-Bactrian + Roman (10.86)
Greco-Bactrian + Gaul (11.02)
Greco-Bactrian (11.32)
Roman (16.03)
Gaul (18.04)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)1. Indo-Greek Kingdom Iron Age Butkara (10 AD) ..... 11.32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users
2. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.59 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92% match vs all users
3. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.49 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users
4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.03 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92% match vs all users
5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.46 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
88% match vs all users

Stuvanè
16-09-19, 17:15
There is something wrong with this Butkara_IA sample. Suddenly it appears as the closest ancient sample to most Bulgarians and Macedonians. He is even not a "pure" Ancient Greek or Thracian, who may have followed Alexander, but a mixture of Steppe and Indian. How about other Balkan people?

Here are my results:
Greco-Bactrian + Roman (10.86)
Greco-Bactrian + Gaul (11.02)
Greco-Bactrian (11.32)
Roman (16.03)
Gaul (18.04)

Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...

(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

1. Indo-Greek Kingdom Iron Age Butkara (10 AD) ..... 11.32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98
% match vs all users
2. Visigoth Mixed Slav Girona (550 AD) ..... 12.59 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92
% match vs all users
3. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 13.49 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97
% match vs all users
4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.03 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92
% match vs all users
5. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.46 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
88
% match vs all users

@eastara,

sometimes the oracle and the combinations proposed by MTA don't offer the maximum precision, especially for some regions.
I hypothesize that this sudden proximity or similarity of the Indo-Greek sample to the southern Slavic peoples may depend on the fact that this calculator "reads" in a similar way on the one hand the combination of northeastern European components with the Anatolian / Caucasian ones of the Balkans, and on the other the combination of steppe with the southernmost Iran / India. I believe that with the next MTA updates they take better measurements

Dibran
16-09-19, 17:51
....................

My shared cm seems way to high with alot of these samples:

https://i.postimg.cc/v8JnQ8db/hk2.png


https://i.postimg.cc/1XG3RQp3/M1.png


https://i.postimg.cc/T16T44ZM/M2.png


https://i.postimg.cc/sXFzMLfQ/M3.png

Stuvanè
16-09-19, 18:36
My shared cm seems way to high with alot of these samples:

https://i.postimg.cc/v8JnQ8db/hk2.png


https://i.postimg.cc/1XG3RQp3/M1.png


https://i.postimg.cc/T16T44ZM/M2.png


https://i.postimg.cc/sXFzMLfQ/M3.pngI don't know what to answer, @Dibran. Indeed, these values ​​also seem to me to be high. It also happens with my matches. Assuming that these genetic links are real, the only thing that comes to my mind is that MTA intercepts very old DNA segments, common in this case to all/manyEuropeans, fragments incidentally also inherited by these ancient samples

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Krum
16-09-19, 19:17
Mine

Seleucid + Gaul (7.388)
Greco- Bactrian + Gaul (8.514) Greco-Bactrian
(11.39)
Gaul (15.04)
Seleucid (15.71) Най
-близките ви археогенетични съвпадения ...

(По-малките числа означават по-близки съвпадения с вас)


1. Visigoth Смесен славянин Girona (550 AD) ..... 11.02 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
95
% мач срещу всички потребители

2. Индо-гръцко кралство Желязна епоха Butkara (10 AD) ..... 11.39 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
1
% мач срещу всички потребители

3. Византийски римски воин (605 г. сл. н. е.) ..... 13.87 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
96
% мач срещу всички потребители

4. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 15.04 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
78
% мач срещу всички потребители

5. Hellenic Seleucid Anatolia (165 BC) ..... 15.71 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
98
% мач срещу всички потребители

6. Средновековен тиролски (590 сл. н. е.) ..... 15.91 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
69
% мач срещу всички потребители

7. Скитска Молдова (300 пр.н.е.) ..... 16.44 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
78
% мач срещу всички потребители

8. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 16.58 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
90
% мач срещу всички потребители

9. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 17.42 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
86
% мач срещу всички потребители

10. Средновековен тиролски (670 г. сл. н. е.) ..... 17.49 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
50
% мач срещу всички потребители

11. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 18.03 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
87
% мач срещу всички потребители

12. Западно-скитско Черно море (290 г. пр.н.е.) ..... 18.23 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
68
% мач срещу всички потребители

13. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 18.49 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
85
% мач срещу всички потребители

14. Племето Тюрингии (420 AD) ..... 18.58 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
46
% мач срещу всички потребители

15. Скитска Украйна (600 г. пр.н.е.) ..... 19.57 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
76
% мач срещу всички потребители

16. Средновековен Франк (670 г. сл. н. е.) ..... 19.6 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
36
% мач срещу всички потребители

17. Средновековна Унгария / Балкан (1244 сл. н. е.) ..... 19.85 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
42
% мач срещу всички потребители

18. Франк-Галия / Ломбардия Италия (670 сл. н. е.) ..... 20.1 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
35
% мач срещу всички потребители

19. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 20.19 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
34
% мач срещу всички потребители

20. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 20.38 (Кликнете за повече информация) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Нагоре
35
% съвпадат спрямо всички потребители


11400

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Salento
16-09-19, 19:23
I get I6549 too :thinking: :grin:


https://i.imgur.com/Pb1pWkO.jpg

Krum
16-09-19, 19:24
11402
11403

torzio
16-09-19, 20:15
my cousin teresa from Val di Non Trento


1. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 5.549 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.369 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.084 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.479 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

5. North Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 8.056 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.625 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.109 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users




Roman + Illyrian (2.211)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.365)
Roman (5.549)
Gallo-Roman (7.479)
Illyrian (8.625)


I noticed via additional features , that the site uses the site, SNPedia , this site as well as the site Prometheuse will be owned by MyHeritage from the 1st of November 2019

RagnarofMacedon
17-09-19, 03:37
I had conversation with MyTrueAncestry team on Facebook , he says that This Greco-Bactrian is closest to Ancient Macedonian , that is soldiers who followed Alexanders path to India , many samples are Macedonian like , some of them are mixed with Indians, he says that on pca Charts this sample is closest to modern day Macedonians , is something between Macedonians and Indians... Only Balkans(Except Croatians i think) score it and Ashkenazi.

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Salento
17-09-19, 06:29
I had conversation with MyTrueAncestry team on Facebook , he says that This Greco-Bactrian is closest to Ancient Macedonian , that is soldiers who followed Alexanders path to India , many samples are Macedonian like , some of them are mixed with Indians, he says that on pca Charts this sample is closest to modern day Macedonians , is something between Macedonians and Indians... Only Balkans(Except Croatians i think) score it and Ashkenazi.

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The site name is not: My True Half Ancestry.

If a sample scores India and Greece/Macedonia, imho MTA should be assigning that sample only to those that score Both Ancestries.

They should not assign it to those who have only 1 of the 2 ancestries.

(Many of us have done more than one test, and we already know who we are, and who we are not)

eastara
17-09-19, 12:08
Well, I suspected it would come to that with this sample. It is true a small percentage of Balkan people have some Roma/Gypsy admixture, bu the vast majority have none at all. South Balkans also have the least steppe admixture of the Yamnaya type compared to other Slavic people. So how we relate so much to Butkara sample is inexplicable, on other plots he is close to contemporary Indians, while we are not.

Duarte
17-09-19, 23:15
The site name is not: My True Half Ancestry.

If a sample scores India and Greece/Macedonia, imho MTA should be assigning that sample only to those that score Both Ancestries.

They should not assign it to those who have only 1 of the 2 ancestries.

(Many of us have done more than one test, and we already know who we are, and who we are not)


Well, I suspected it would come to that with this sample. It is true a small percentage of Balkan people have some Roma/Gypsy admixture, bu the vast majority have none at all. South Balkans also have the least steppe admixture of the Yamnaya type compared to other Slavic people. So how we relate so much to Butkara sample is inexplicable, on other plots he is close to contemporary Indians, while we are not.

I agree with you both.
There is a flaw in approach. Bactrian-Greeks are descendants of newcomers and not the other way around. It is not right for you to call the Balkan peoples Selucid, Indo-Greek, or Bactrian-Greek. These mixed peoples did not leave India, Pakistan or Iran towards the Balkans. There was no such migration. They would look great on a Indian, Pakistani, or Iranian MTA, but not in a European MTA. It would be the same as you to do the genetic analysis of the burials of the 16th and 17th centuries "Paulista" Pathfinders (called in Brazil as "Bandeirantes") and made them appear in a Portuguese’s MTA. The "Bandeirantes" were groups of Pathfinders composed by pure Portuguese individuals and mixed Portuguese individuals (Portuguese + indigenous). They would look great on a Brazilian's MTA, but never on a Portuguese's MTA.
Cheers.

Salento
20-09-19, 22:41
Modern Italians according to MTA :

North Italian
1. Tuscan (7.803)
2. Spanish_Extremadura (9.135)
3. Portuguese (9.303)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.708)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (10.06)
6. Spanish_Galicia (10.61)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (10.64)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.82)

Tuscan
1. North_Italian (7.803)
2. West_Sicilian (8.338)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (8.550)
4. Kosovan (10.47)
5. Greek_Thessaly (10.80)
6. Greek (10.98)
7. East_Sicilian (11.71)
8. Central_Greek (12.03)

South Italians
1. East_Sicilian (4.290)
2. Central_Greek (4.788)
3. Greek_Islands (6.961)
4. Italian_Jewish (7.304)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (7.498)
6. Greek_Crete (7.816)
7. West_Sicilian (7.828)
8. Ashkenazi (8.437)

Italian Abruzzo:
1. Central_Greek (5.248)
2. East_Sicilian (5.583)
3. West_Sicilian (5.732)
4. South_Italian (7.498)
5. Ashkenazi (8.393)
6. Tuscan (8.550)
7. Greek (8.825)
8. Greek_Islands (9.213)

East Sicilian:
1. Central_Greek (2.993)
2. South_Italian (4.290)
3. Ashkenazi (5.157)
4. Greek_Islands (5.526)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (5.583)
6. West_Sicilian (6.796)
7. Greek_Crete (6.866)
8. Italian_Jewish (8.866)

West Sicilian
1. Italian_Abruzzo (5.732)
2. East_Sicilian (6.796)
3. South_Italian (7.828)
4. Central_Greek (7.890)
5. Tuscan (8.338)
6. Ashkenazi (9.423)
7. Greek (9.779)
8. Greek_Islands (9.962)

Sardinia
1. Spanish_Andalucia (29.94)
2. North_Italian (30.25)
3. Tuscan (31.62)
4. Spanish_Valencia (32.19)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (32.26)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (32.29)
7. Spanish_Aragon (32.47)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (32.54)

Italian Jewish:
1. Algerian_Jewish (3.931)
2. South_Italian (7.304)
3. Tunisian_Jewish (7.484)
4. East_Sicilian (8.866)
5. Libyan_Jewish (9.171)
6. Ashkenazi (10.40)
7. West_Sicilian (10.41)
8. Central_Greek (10.45)

Salento
20-09-19, 23:59
Ancient Italians according to MTA:

North Italian:
1. *Gallo-Roman (3.146)
2. *Roman (3.146)
3. Gallo-Roman + Roman (3.146)
4. Roman + Thracian (4.12)
5. Gallo-Roman (5.633)
6. Roman (6.723)
7. Thracian (7.591)

Tuscan:
1. *Roman (2.937)
2. Roman (2.937)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (3.511)
4. Roman Hispania + Roman (4.573)
5. Hellenic Roman (7.942)
6. Roman Hispania (10.5)

South Italian:
1. *Hellenic Roman (4.027)
2. *Roman (4.027)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (4.027)
4. Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (5.212)
5. Hellenic Roman (8.417)
6. Ancient Greek (11.76)
7. Roman (12.28)

Italian Abruzzo:
1. *Hellenic Roman (3.634)
2. *Roman (3.634)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (3.634)
4. Roman + Pontic (4.455)
5. Hellenic Roman (6.302)
6. Roman (9.271)
7. Pontic (14.33)

East Sicilian:
1. *Hellenic Roman (3.972)
2. *Roman (3.972)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (3.972)
4. Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.615)
5. Hellenic Roman (9.85)
6. Roman (12.06)
7. Ancient Greek (13.32)

West Sicilian:
1. *Hellenic Roman (4.611)
2. *Roman Hispania (4.611)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (4.611)
4. Hellenic Roman + Roman (6.258)
5. Hellenic Roman (7.353)
6. Roman (8.444)
7. Roman Hispania (11.47)

Sardinia:
1. *Philistine (15.37)
2. Philistine + Carthaginian (15.2)
3. Philistine (15.37)
4. Carthaginian (19.82)

Italian Jewish:
1. *Hellenic Roman (6.689)
2. *Hittite (6.689)
3. Hellenic Roman + Hittite (6.689)
4. Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.238)
5. Hittite (11.23)
6. Hellenic Roman (11.52)
7. Ancient Greek (11.98)

* = about :thinking:

Angela
21-09-19, 00:22
Enough with the cryptic comments. If you have something to say, say it.

Duarte
21-09-19, 00:49
Modern Italians according to MTA :

North Italian
1. Tuscan (7.803)
2. Spanish_Extremadura (9.135)
3. Portuguese (9.303)
4. Spanish_Murcia (9.708)
5. Spanish_Andalucia (10.06)
6. Spanish_Galicia (10.61)
7. Spanish_Cataluna (10.64)
8. Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon (10.82)

Tuscan
1. North_Italian (7.803)
2. West_Sicilian (8.338)
3. Italian_Abruzzo (8.550)
4. Kosovan (10.47)
5. Greek_Thessaly (10.80)
6. Greek (10.98)
7. East_Sicilian (11.71)
8. Central_Greek (12.03)

South Italians
1. East_Sicilian (4.290)
2. Central_Greek (4.788)
3. Greek_Islands (6.961)
4. Italian_Jewish (7.304)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (7.498)
6. Greek_Crete (7.816)
7. West_Sicilian (7.828)
8. Ashkenazi (8.437)

Italian Abruzzo:
1. Central_Greek (5.248)
2. East_Sicilian (5.583)
3. West_Sicilian (5.732)
4. South_Italian (7.498)
5. Ashkenazi (8.393)
6. Tuscan (8.550)
7. Greek (8.825)
8. Greek_Islands (9.213)

East Sicilian:
1. Central_Greek (2.993)
2. South_Italian (4.290)
3. Ashkenazi (5.157)
4. Greek_Islands (5.526)
5. Italian_Abruzzo (5.583)
6. West_Sicilian (6.796)
7. Greek_Crete (6.866)
8. Italian_Jewish (8.866)

West Sicilian
1. Italian_Abruzzo (5.732)
2. East_Sicilian (6.796)
3. South_Italian (7.828)
4. Central_Greek (7.890)
5. Tuscan (8.338)
6. Ashkenazi (9.423)
7. Greek (9.779)
8. Greek_Islands (9.962)

Sardinia
1. Spanish_Andalucia (29.94)
2. North_Italian (30.25)
3. Tuscan (31.62)
4. Spanish_Valencia (32.19)
5. Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha (32.26)
6. Spanish_Extremadura (32.29)
7. Spanish_Aragon (32.47)
8. Spanish_Cantabria (32.54)

Italian Jewish:
1. Algerian_Jewish (3.931)
2. South_Italian (7.304)
3. Tunisian_Jewish (7.484)
4. East_Sicilian (8.866)
5. Libyan_Jewish (9.171)
6. Ashkenazi (10.40)
7. West_Sicilian (10.41)
8. Central_Greek (10.45)

Ancient Italians according to MTA:

North Italian:
1. *Gallo-Roman (3.146)
2. *Roman (3.146)
3. Gallo-Roman + Roman (3.146)
4. Roman + Thracian (4.12)
5. Gallo-Roman (5.633)
6. Roman (6.723)
7. Thracian (7.591)

Tuscan:
1. *Roman (2.937)
2. Roman (2.937)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (3.511)
4. Roman Hispania + Roman (4.573)
5. Hellenic Roman (7.942)
6. Roman Hispania (10.5)

South Italian:
1. *Hellenic Roman (4.027)
2. *Roman (4.027)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (4.027)
4. Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (5.212)
5. Hellenic Roman (8.417)
6. Ancient Greek (11.76)
7. Roman (12.28)

Italian Abruzzo:
1. *Hellenic Roman (3.634)
2. *Roman (3.634)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (3.634)
4. Roman + Pontic (4.455)
5. Hellenic Roman (6.302)
6. Roman (9.271)
7. Pontic (14.33)

East Sicilian:
1. *Hellenic Roman (3.972)
2. *Roman (3.972)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman (3.972)
4. Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.615)
5. Hellenic Roman (9.85)
6. Roman (12.06)
7. Ancient Greek (13.32)

West Sicilian:
1. *Hellenic Roman (4.611)
2. *Roman Hispania (4.611)
3. Hellenic Roman + Roman Hispania (4.611)
4. Hellenic Roman + Roman (6.258)
5. Hellenic Roman (7.353)
6. Roman (8.444)
7. Roman Hispania (11.47)

Sardinia:
1. *Philistine (15.37)
2. Philistine + Carthaginian (15.2)
3. Philistine (15.37)
4. Carthaginian (19.82)

Italian Jewish:
1. *Hellenic Roman (6.689)
2. *Hittite (6.689)
3. Hellenic Roman + Hittite (6.689)
4. Ancient Greek + Hellenic Roman (7.238)
5. Hittite (11.23)
6. Hellenic Roman (11.52)
7. Ancient Greek (11.98)

* = about :thinking:

Tomanable was right. The Northern Italians are genetically the closest Europeans to the Iberians. :thinking::grin::smile:
Cheers:good_job:

21-09-19, 01:04
lol... brb :(

Such a sad little man. There, I've given you some attention. Feel better?

Salento
21-09-19, 01:07
Tomanable was right. The Northern Italians are genetically the closest Europeans to the Iberians. :thinking::grin::smile:
Cheers:good_job:


and all Italians have significant Roman affiliated ancestry :satisfied:

(the Ancestral Sardinians ... not as much :)

Salento
21-09-19, 01:46
(New) Your Archaeogenetic Map of Germania:

https://i.imgur.com/cHAB4cZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DEsjW1n.jpg


Roman Era Iberia
https://i.imgur.com/LvXWnSl.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/aKSE51d.jpg

Salento
21-09-19, 06:11
Medieval Italy (BSS31) 1348 AD

https://i.imgur.com/T3vWKtp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lAPwGnD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4vlExi0.jpg

Research Link https://www.pnas.org/content/115/50/E11790

Extended Premium Map:
https://i.imgur.com/A3f0nVO.jpg

23-v4/5 combo Kit - The Roman Empire :)
https://i.imgur.com/qh2TAx0.jpg

snkves
21-09-19, 17:26
New Archaeogenetic Maps of Germania
https://i.imgur.com/AQnbbRn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/VbQbaqJ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uuwA5uN.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bqy9PRM.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U1cbjlF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bHZ5pyX.jpg

snkves
21-09-19, 17:51
Archaeogenetic Maps of Britain and Ireland

https://i.imgur.com/hKA3sze.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2UYDwr7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SCAFrks.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/P5KQ7fF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hyVBChW.jpg

Joey37
21-09-19, 18:44
If there's a difference between two of your kits, which one is right, the Ancestry one or the 23andMe one?

snkves
21-09-19, 20:05
- NEW Iron Age samples! The Germanic Rugii and Lugii tribes!
- The Ghaznavid Dynasty arrives to South Asia!



Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

1. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) ..... 4.019 - I0112
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 4.987 - ALH_1
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 5.659 - Unknown
Top97% match vs all users

4. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) ..... 6.668 - SZ16
Top 97% match vs all users

5. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 6.934 - Sigtuna stg021
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6. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.141 - stg021
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7. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 7.274 - I5512
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8. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.396 - Hinxton HS3
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9. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth (400 AD) ..... 7.457 - MJ19
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10. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.761 - Sigtuna grt036
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11. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.793 - AED_249
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12. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 7.916 - Shohola
Top 88% match vs all users

13. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 8.203 - HinxtonO1
Top 71% match vs all users

14. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 8.514 - I2981
Top 78% match vs all users

15. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 8.688 - I5471
Top 80% match vs all users

16. Young Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 8.722 - NS6
Top 76% match vs all users

17. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 8.783 - I2452
Top 79% match vs all users

18. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) ..... 9.003 - STR_316
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19. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 9.096 - I5382
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20. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 9.406 - KOV-A2
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21. Anglo Saxon Oakington (470 AD) ..... 9.408 - OakO4
Top 82% match vs all users

22. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 9.44 - I2860
Top 71% match vs all users

23. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 9.484 - TSK-A26
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24. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.499 - SZ42
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25. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 9.519 - I5377
Top 68% match vs all users

26. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.534 - 3DRIF-16
Top 77% match vs all users

27. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 9.546 - scy006
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28. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 9.599 - I5367
Top 89% match vs all users

29. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.676 - VDP-A7
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30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.753 - SZ15
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31. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 9.756 - BIM_33
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32. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai (1446 AD) ..... 9.822 - OSL9A
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33. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 9.924 - I2447
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34. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.929 - 6DRIF-21
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35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 9.974 - SZ23
Top 64% match vs all users

36. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.01 - SZ2
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37. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) ..... 10.13 - I0806
Top 92% match vs all users

38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.17 - SZ7
Top 84% match vs all users

39. Bell Beaker England (2000 BC) ..... 10.17 - I6679
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40. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 10.21 - I2568
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41. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 10.36 - I7573
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42. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.41 - SZ12
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43. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 10.42 - VDP-A6
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44. Halstatt (775 BC) ..... 10.48 - DA112
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45. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 10.51 - I1767
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46. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.52 - SZ11
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47. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 10.53 - I2859
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48. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 10.59 - I5383
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49. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) ..... 10.63 - I0099
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50. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 10.69 - AED_106
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51. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 10.87 - SZ38
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52. Medieval Netherlands Plague (1359 AD) ..... 11.0 - Ber37
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53. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.09 - GRS-A1
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54. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.12 - SZ14
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55. Frankish Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.14 - NS12c
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56. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.15 - SSG-A2
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57. Celtic Briton (1 AD) ..... 11.15 - Hinxton 4
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58. Estonia Iron Age (1 AD) ..... 11.18 - Rise00
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59. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 11.2 - I12162
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60. Bell Beaker Salisbury (2200 BC) ..... 11.22 - I6777
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61. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.24 - SZ22
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62. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) ..... 11.28 - Rise61
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63. Beaeker-Scythian Ukraine (580 BC) ..... 11.33 - MJ13
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64. Viking Sweden (935 AD) ..... 11.34 - gtm021
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65. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 11.4 - ALH_10
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66. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) ..... 11.41 - I2566
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67. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.42 - SZ4
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68. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 11.42 - I5513
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69. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.43 - SZ9
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70. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 11.47 - I8206
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71. Western Pomerania Unetice (2000 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise139
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72. Western Pomerania Unetice (1860 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise109
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73. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 11.53 - PCA100_Mas13
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74. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) ..... 11.54 - Rise150
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75. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 11.63 - 6DRIF-22
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76. Ostrogoth Nordic (520 AD) ..... 11.68 - STR_220
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77. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 11.73 - 97029
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78. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 11.74 - I3875
Top 63% match vs all users

79. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.8 - ORE-A1
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80. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) ..... 11.83 - Rathlin1
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81. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.87 - SZ24
Top 83% match vs all users

82. Alemanni Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.94 - NS1
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83. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) ..... 11.97 - I4251
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84. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 12.07 - CL84
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85. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (1860 BC) ..... 12.07 - Rise395
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86. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 12.08 - I5515
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87. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 12.16 - I2097
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88. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 12.18 - I2443
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89. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.22 - KNS-A1
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90. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 12.24 - Rise577
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91. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 12.28 - I2653
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92. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.31 - Sigtuna 84001
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93. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.35 - stg020
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94. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.35 - DAV-A9
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95. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.36 - VDP-A5
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96. Bell Beaker England (2165 BC) ..... 12.37 - I2453
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97. Pre-Viking Sweden (500 AD) ..... 12.4 - Rise174 Oxie7
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98. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) ..... 12.5 - I3255
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99. Viking High-Ranking Shieldmaiden (950 AD) ..... 12.53 - brk581
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100. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.67 - Sigtuna 84005
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snkves
21-09-19, 20:12
- New Iron Age samples! The Germanic Rugii and Lugii tribes!
- The Ghaznavid Dynasty arrives to South Asia!


Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...
(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)

1. Bell Beaker Germany (2500 BC) ..... 4.019 - I0112
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 4.987 - ALH_1
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 5.659 - Unknown
Top97% match vs all users

4. Nordic Lombard / Winnili (590 AD) ..... 6.668 - SZ16
Top 97% match vs all users

5. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 6.934 - Sigtuna stg021
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6. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.141 - stg021
Top 97% match vs all users

7. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 7.274 - I5512
Top 97% match vs all users

8. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.396 - Hinxton HS3
Top 95% match vs all users

9. Greuthungi / Ostrogoth (400 AD) ..... 7.457 - MJ19
Top 99% match vs all users

10. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 7.761 - Sigtuna grt036
Top 99% match vs all users

11. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.793 - AED_249
Top 97% match vs all users

12. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 7.916 - Shohola
Top 88% match vs all users

13. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 8.203 - HinxtonO1
Top 71% match vs all users

14. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 8.514 - I2981
Top 78% match vs all users

15. Bell Beaker Scotland (2145 BC) ..... 8.688 - I5471
Top 80% match vs all users

16. Young Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 8.722 - NS6
Top 76% match vs all users

17. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 8.783 - I2452
Top 79% match vs all users

18. Alemannic Bavaria (425 AD) ..... 9.003 - STR_316
Top 91% match vs all users

19. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 9.096 - I5382
Top 95% match vs all users

20. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 9.406 - KOV-A2
Top 76% match vs all users

21. Anglo Saxon Oakington (470 AD) ..... 9.408 - OakO4
Top 82% match vs all users

22. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 9.44 - I2860
Top 71% match vs all users

23. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 9.484 - TSK-A26
Top 78% match vs all users

24. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.499 - SZ42
Top 87% match vs all users

25. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 9.519 - I5377
Top 68% match vs all users

26. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.534 - 3DRIF-16
Top 77% match vs all users

27. Scythian Ukraine (600 BC) ..... 9.546 - scy006
Top 95% match vs all users

28. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 9.599 - I5367
Top 89% match vs all users

29. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 9.676 - VDP-A7
Top 94% match vs all users

30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 9.753 - SZ15
Top 68% match vs all users

31. Alemannic Bavaria (450 AD) ..... 9.756 - BIM_33
Top 84% match vs all users

32. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai (1446 AD) ..... 9.822 - OSL9A
Top 95% match vs all users

33. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 9.924 - I2447
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34. Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 9.929 - 6DRIF-21
Top 79% match vs all users

35. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 9.974 - SZ23
Top 64% match vs all users

36. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.01 - SZ2
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37. Bell Beaker Germany (2250 BC) ..... 10.13 - I0806
Top 92% match vs all users

38. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.17 - SZ7
Top 84% match vs all users

39. Bell Beaker England (2000 BC) ..... 10.17 - I6679
Top 95% match vs all users

40. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 10.21 - I2568
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41. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 10.36 - I7573
Top 82% match vs all users

42. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.41 - SZ12
Top 71% match vs all users

43. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 10.42 - VDP-A6
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44. Halstatt (775 BC) ..... 10.48 - DA112
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45. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 10.51 - I1767
Top 61% match vs all users

46. Germanic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 10.52 - SZ11
Top 82% match vs all users

47. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 10.53 - I2859
Top 70% match vs all users

48. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 10.59 - I5383
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49. Bronze Age Germany (1050 BC) ..... 10.63 - I0099
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50. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 10.69 - AED_106
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51. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 10.87 - SZ38
Top 59% match vs all users

52. Medieval Netherlands Plague (1359 AD) ..... 11.0 - Ber37
Top 76% match vs all users

53. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.09 - GRS-A1
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54. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.12 - SZ14
Top 69% match vs all users

55. Frankish Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.14 - NS12c
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56. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.15 - SSG-A2
Top 64% match vs all users

57. Celtic Briton (1 AD) ..... 11.15 - Hinxton 4
Top 67% match vs all users

58. Estonia Iron Age (1 AD) ..... 11.18 - Rise00
Top 98% match vs all users

59. Visigoth Germanic Girona (550 AD) ..... 11.2 - I12162
Top 60% match vs all users

60. Bell Beaker Salisbury (2200 BC) ..... 11.22 - I6777
Top 96% match vs all users

61. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.24 - SZ22
Top 84% match vs all users

62. Corded Ware Denmark (2450 BC) ..... 11.28 - Rise61
Top 81% match vs all users

63. Beaeker-Scythian Ukraine (580 BC) ..... 11.33 - MJ13
Top 96% match vs all users

64. Viking Sweden (935 AD) ..... 11.34 - gtm021
Top 95% match vs all users

65. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 11.4 - ALH_10
Top 80% match vs all users

66. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2250 BC) ..... 11.41 - I2566
Top 82% match vs all users

67. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.42 - SZ4
Top 80% match vs all users

68. Bell Beaker Amesbury (2150 BC) ..... 11.42 - I5513
Top 91% match vs all users

69. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.43 - SZ9
Top 78% match vs all users

70. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 11.47 - I8206
Top 80% match vs all users

71. Western Pomerania Unetice (2000 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise139
Top 95% match vs all users

72. Western Pomerania Unetice (1860 BC) ..... 11.47 - Rise109
Top 95% match vs all users

73. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 11.53 - PCA100_Mas13
Top 69% match vs all users

74. Unetice Bohemia (1800 BC) ..... 11.54 - Rise150
Top 86% match vs all users

75. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 11.63 - 6DRIF-22
Top 75% match vs all users

76. Ostrogoth Nordic (520 AD) ..... 11.68 - STR_220
Top 84% match vs all users

77. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 11.73 - 97029
Top 79% match vs all users

78. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 11.74 - I3875
Top 63% match vs all users

79. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 11.8 - ORE-A1
Top 65% match vs all users

80. Ireland Copper Age (1950 BC) ..... 11.83 - Rathlin1
Top 87% match vs all users

81. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 11.87 - SZ24
Top 83% match vs all users

82. Alemanni Longobard Noble (605 AD) ..... 11.94 - NS1
Top 68% match vs all users

83. Bell Beaker Poland (2500 BC) ..... 11.97 - I4251
Top 84% match vs all users

84. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 12.07 - CL84
Top 76% match vs all users

85. Eurasian Steppes Sintashta (1860 BC) ..... 12.07 - Rise395
Top 97% match vs all users

86. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 12.08 - I5515
Top 70% match vs all users

87. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 12.16 - I2097
Top 64% match vs all users

88. Bell Beaker Oxford (2150 BC) ..... 12.18 - I2443
Top 93% match vs all users

89. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.22 - KNS-A1
Top 75% match vs all users

90. Czech Velke Prilepy (2050 BC) ..... 12.24 - Rise577
Top 60% match vs all users

91. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 12.28 - I2653
Top 64% match vs all users

92. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.31 - Sigtuna 84001
Top 90% match vs all users

93. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.35 - stg020
Top 96% match vs all users

94. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.35 - DAV-A9
Top 96% match vs all users

95. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 12.36 - VDP-A5
Top 89% match vs all users

96. Bell Beaker England (2165 BC) ..... 12.37 - I2453
Top 82% match vs all users

97. Pre-Viking Sweden (500 AD) ..... 12.4 - Rise174 Oxie7
Top 94% match vs all users

98. Bell Beaker Cambridge (2075 BC) ..... 12.5 - I3255
Top 66% match vs all users

99. Viking High-Ranking Shieldmaiden (950 AD) ..... 12.53 - brk581
Top 94% match vs all users

100. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 12.67 - Sigtuna 84005
Top 99% match vs all users

Salento
21-09-19, 21:51
There are few differences between Kits.

I think that AncestryDNA has better compatibility in some of the MTA apps.

As a rule of thumb, the better Kits are the ones with the closest Archaeogenetic matches (smaller numbers), I think.

Jovialis
22-09-19, 00:32
If there's a difference between two of your kits, which one is right, the Ancestry one or the 23andMe one?
I was going to post my results later, but my DNAkit Studio Superkits in both Ancestry, and FTDNA format are almost identical with very slight differences. They plot right on top of each other.

Duarte
22-09-19, 11:09
MTA - New Feature - My Archaeogenetic Map of Iberia.

https://i.imgur.com/dXBQRYX.png
https://i.imgur.com/xQPQ1Xf.png
https://i.imgur.com/HLjLNo6.png
https://i.imgur.com/ghys9Tq.png
https://i.imgur.com/umzHiEx.png
https://i.imgur.com/0M2ABEl.png

New Feature - My Archaeogenetic Map of Germania.

https://i.imgur.com/RMwt6R0.png
https://i.imgur.com/xW58ex0.png
https://i.imgur.com/gfZcCGQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/FShXO9O.png
https://i.imgur.com/NkrCNo3.png

Duarte
22-09-19, 11:19
My Ancient Roman Roots:

https://i.imgur.com/gWpfcl8.png
https://i.imgur.com/xW58ex0.png
https://i.imgur.com/WVlc5ZR.png
https://i.imgur.com/gfZcCGQ.png
https://i.imgur.com/iFuYgWf.png
https://i.imgur.com/FShXO9O.png
https://imgur.com/a/SkqGkpX
https://imgur.com/a/SkqGkpX

blevins13
22-09-19, 14:11
11437

My Macedonian connection being revealed....beautiful.


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Jovialis
22-09-19, 14:14
11437

My Macedonian connection being revealed....beautiful.


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You must be partly Greek!

blevins13
22-09-19, 14:27
You must be partly Greek!

Partly Macedonian....


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Bâști
22-09-19, 14:28
What game is this?

Jovialis
22-09-19, 18:57
Partly Macedonian....


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https://i.imgur.com/Upao72k.png

I get the Indo-Greek sample too.

https://i.imgur.com/MnTkkgB.png

Jovialis
22-09-19, 19:04
I've compared both DNAkit Studio Superkit, of FTDNA, and AncestryDNA Format. Despite some infinitesimal differences, they are almost identical.

To answer Joey, I think either one of these are the optimal Raw data files to use on this calculator.

https://i.imgur.com/UCxi1oU.png

https://i.imgur.com/KQsgX8l.png

https://i.imgur.com/RoF4Sow.png

Carlos
23-09-19, 02:12
Maps of Iberia1143911440114411144211443

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Carlos
23-09-19, 02:19
Only aceptar 5 pica here Caliphate and Brithis Islanders. My holiday is poner to October, sorry. 11444114451144611447

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Carlos
23-09-19, 02:33
And finally Germania. I'm nota know-how What I written in English. Regards.
1144811449114501145111452

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Jovialis
23-09-19, 06:54
Ancient 3D PCA comparison:

DNAkit Studio Superkit: AncestryDNA Format

https://i.imgur.com/k6ypnK5.gif

DNAkit Studio Superkit: FTDNA Format

https://i.imgur.com/z1HOBAS.gif

Top 5 modern populations, and top 10 ancient populations on 2D PCA.

https://i.imgur.com/EfCKdfT.png

Jovialis
23-09-19, 17:27
Partly Macedonian....


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https://i.imgur.com/vl8tToO.png

I think perhaps the correlation partly has to do with Anatolian Bronze Age admixture, overlapping between Albanians, Greeks, Italians, etc. SEEurope1 and 2 are Albanian cohorts of samples.

I'd suspect I would have a closer affinity with the south of Albania, who have higher levels of ABA. I get 81 on the K36 heat map there, as well as SCItaly; both with comparable levels of ABA. I also get 81 for the Peloponnese:

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

Jovialis
23-09-19, 18:13
https://i.imgur.com/vl8tToO.png

I think perhaps the correlation partly has to do with Anatolian Bronze Age admixture, overlapping between Albanians, Greeks, Italians, etc. SEEurope1 and 2 are Albanian cohorts of samples.

I'd suspect I would have a closer affinity with the south of Albania, who have higher levels of ABA. I get 81 on the K36 heat map there, as well as SCItaly; both with comparable levels of ABA. I also get 81 for the Peloponnese:

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png
Here's my DNAkit Studio FTDNA format K36 heat map, there's some slight differences.

https://i.imgur.com/pCzDawG.png

Salento
23-09-19, 18:19
3D Ancient Sample Analysis PCA:


https://i.imgur.com/0KYpQJC.gif

torzio
23-09-19, 19:46
https://i.postimg.cc/ZY8VyzH8/my-ancient-map.png (https://postimages.org/)

My map above
There are AD and BC dates
I am not sure what it is suppose to represent....any ideas?

Salento
23-09-19, 21:21
https://i.postimg.cc/ZY8VyzH8/my-ancient-map.png (https://postimages.org/)
My map above
There are AD and BC dates
I am not sure what it is suppose to represent....any ideas?

The dates on the map indicate the TIME of when your Matches were Alive and Kicking :)

(They haven't labeled some of the samples properly, yet)

Default Map
https://i.imgur.com/BHbDWe4.jpg

... and if you add samples:
https://i.imgur.com/qh2TAx0.jpg

valentinavalley2
24-09-19, 10:47
What if the Greek dna in Albanian is actually Pelasgian? It seems like the Greek in Albanians seems different from Greeks


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Jovialis
24-09-19, 12:14
@valentinavalley2

Nah, I think the commonality has to do with the legacy of a copper age/Bronze age migration from Anatolia.


https://i.imgur.com/vl8tToO.png

I think perhaps the correlation partly has to do with Anatolian Bronze Age admixture, overlapping between Albanians, Greeks, Italians, etc. SEEurope1 and 2 are Albanian cohorts of samples.

I'd suspect I would have a closer affinity with the south of Albania, who have higher levels of ABA. I get 81 on the K36 heat map there, as well as SCItaly; both with comparable levels of ABA. I also get 81 for the Peloponnese:

https://i.imgur.com/550now6.png

Angela
25-09-19, 02:02
Pelasgian is an outdated term which is not used in genetics studies for very good reasons, chief among them being that even the accounts from the Greek "historians" and writers are contradictory.

This tendency to treat these ancient writers as geneticists or even historians in the modern sense is unhelpful.

Of course, there were indeed indigenous people in the Balkans before the arrival of the Indo-European speakers, and there was admixture of different amounts in different parts of the Balkans and Greece.

What we have is European Middle Neolithic people who were mostly Anatolian Neolithic plus up to 20-25% WHG, and then there was a new arrival in the Copper/Bronze Age of people from Anatolia (this time with larger amounts of Iranian Neolithic) and then from the steppe.

Different groups carried different percentages of those ancient peoples.

The mixing has gone on throughout the millennia.

There's no modern population completely descended from the groups of the Bronze Age. That's fantasy.

Salento
25-09-19, 02:56
There are few differences between Kits.
I think that AncestryDNA has better compatibility in some of the MTA apps.
As a rule of thumb, the better Kits are the ones with the closest Archaeogenetic matches (smaller numbers), I think.

Kits test on GedMatch ... curiosity :)

Single kit vs Combined GedMatch vs Combined DNA-Kit-Studio

Single Normal Kit:
https://i.imgur.com/mKPJnPw.jpg

Kit Combined by GedMatch:
https://i.imgur.com/2pm0Mgl.jpg

Kit Combined with DNA Kit Studio:
https://i.imgur.com/PAbvMUS.jpg

There's not much of a difference, lol :satisfied:

Salento
25-09-19, 05:54
Comparing with one of my Top Matches:

https://i.imgur.com/I9js78V.jpg


Single Kit vs Combined Kit (DnaKitStudio) vs Combined (GedMatch)

SZ40 & Salento - Q-Matching One-to-One Comparison:


Comparing Kit TZ5280008 (SZ40) [-] and Salento Combined (DnaKitStudio)
https://i.imgur.com/W1FKIAO.jpg
Total cM: 10.10
Largest segment cM: 1.51
Total segments: 8

Comparing Kit TZ5280008 (SZ40) [-] Salento Combined (by GedMatch)
https://i.imgur.com/rSh8FiO.jpg
Total cM: 7.93
Largest segment cM: 1.51
Total segments: 6

Comparing Kit TZ5280008 (SZ40) [-] and Salento Single
https://i.imgur.com/ccSTAhM.jpg
Total cM: 2.32
Largest segment cM: 1.16
Total segments: 2

blevins13
25-09-19, 18:03
11457

This is what I get....


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torzio
25-09-19, 20:29
my father results

I do not know why these do not align

Gaul + Gallo-Roman (4.873)
Gaul + Illyrian (5.499)
Gaul (8.072)
Gallo-Roman (8.617)
Illyrian (8.818)


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 8.072 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.577 - CL94 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 8.617 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.818 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.835 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.835 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.766 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

torzio
25-09-19, 20:33
my wife numbers ..........her paternal and maternal line run along the veneto -friuli border of the Livenza river

Gaul + Thracian (3.378)
Gaul + Illyrian (3.378)
Gaul (6.716)
Thracian (8.715)
Illyrian (8.715)


1. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 6.716 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1600 BC) ..... 8.715 - I4332 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Thracian Bulgaria (450 BC) ..... 8.715 - I5769 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Medieval Hungary / Balkan (1244 AD) ..... 8.97 - DA199 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

5. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 10.04 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 95% match vs all users

Salento
26-09-19, 04:18
Q-Match 1 to 1 - Salento vs Neanderthal :thinking: yep, lol

Comparing Kit M113500 (Manfred Neander) and Salento

Total cM: 2.35
Largest segment cM: 1.21
Total segments: 2

https://i.imgur.com/s2T3r2z.jpg


... his name is Manfred Neander, any connection to Manfredonia in Puglia?

torzio
26-09-19, 04:41
Q-Match 1 to 1 - Salento vs Neanderthal :thinking: yep, lol

Comparing Kit M113500 (Manfred Neander) and Salento

Total cM: 2.35
Largest segment cM: 1.21
Total segments: 2

https://i.imgur.com/s2T3r2z.jpg


... his name is Manfred Neander, any connection to Manfredonia in Puglia?

Many manfredi surname in veneto

Salento
26-09-19, 06:05
Many manfredi surname in veneto
There were Neanderthals in Puglia:

Altamura, Puglia,
Skeleton Found in Italy Cave Yields Oldest Neanderthal DNA

Altamura Man
... Altamura Man is one of the most complete Paleolithic skeletons ever to be discovered in Europe as "even the bones inside the nose are still there" and as of 2016 it represents the oldest sample of Neanderthal DNA to have been sequenced successfully...

https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_15/972506/150410-neanderthal-altamura-man_8ca4b4fc3838f2679ea30d7e30cd47be.fit-760w.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamura_Man (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamura_Man)

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/skeleton-found-italy-cave-yields-oldest-neanderthal-dna-n339661

Jovialis
26-09-19, 16:40
https://i.imgur.com/AQDIfaH.png

https://i.imgur.com/O2JeOGG.png

I upgraded to Zeus, because I already had credit from Caesar, and I took advantage of the sale. Here are my top 10 samples from around the Copper age, as well as the Bronze Age.

Duarte
26-09-19, 18:23
https://i.imgur.com/AQDIfaH.png

https://i.imgur.com/O2JeOGG.png

I upgraded to Zeus, because I already had credit from Caesar, and I took advantage of the sale. Here are my top 10 samples from around the Copper age, as well as the Bronze Age.

Really very cool, Jovialis. I did the same that you do, using my credit from Caesar and now I am a Zeus:

https://i.imgur.com/7qJ9xct.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IY5Gdbk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/imNm5jV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5Wvs3HH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5KQs002.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BcT1HVH.jpg

valentinavalley2
26-09-19, 19:53
The reason why Italians are getting Illyrian in their results is because original Italians from
Venetia and Apulia were Illyrians, and although Etruscans are considered to be non indo European they do look like they have a lot of things in common with pre-balkanic population.

Before the Roman Expansion the Venetic and Missapi people were said to have be Illyrian in origin and most likely spoke an Illyrian language.

So it would make sense Italians and Albanians tend to over lap, same goes with Greeks and Western Turks.


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Jovialis
26-09-19, 20:34
The reason why Italians are getting Illyrian in their results is because original Italians from
Venetia and Apulia were Illyrians, and although Etruscans are considered to be non indo European they do look like they have a lot of things in common with pre-balkanic population.

Before the Roman Expansion the Venetic and Missapi people were said to have be Illyrian in origin and most likely spoke an Illyrian language.

So it would make sense Italians and Albanians tend to over lap, same goes with Greeks and Western Turks.


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Hopefully, the upcoming studies will provide some insight into the Illyrian/Iapgians in Italy.

torzio
26-09-19, 21:16
The reason why Italians are getting Illyrian in their results is because original Italians from
Venetia and Apulia were Illyrians, and although Etruscans are considered to be non indo European they do look like they have a lot of things in common with pre-balkanic population.

Before the Roman Expansion the Venetic and Missapi people were said to have be Illyrian in origin and most likely spoke an Illyrian language.

So it would make sense Italians and Albanians tend to over lap, same goes with Greeks and Western Turks.


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Latest linguistic study 2012
http://www.jolr.ru/files/(83)jlr2012-7(33-46).pdf

and

this is the latest study on what you refer to ....2015

https://i.postimg.cc/jSsM77y4/illyrian-oderzo.png

Messapic with Venetic ???/...I am not sure

Research on the origins and identity of Illyrians continues with established settlements at Opitergium (Oderzo),
(https://postimages.org/)

torzio
26-09-19, 21:29
closest match for my father dna on the new
mtDNA Haplogroup: N1b1a

Scythian Ukraine

Genetic Distance: 22.788
Sample Match! 55% closer than others users


my father mtdna is T2b17

.............................

i am same with genetic distance of Genetic Distance: 23.732

valentinavalley2
26-09-19, 21:30
this is the latest study on what you refer to ....2015

https://i.postimg.cc/jSsM77y4/illyrian-oderzo.png

Messapic with Venetic ???/...I am not sure

Research on the origins and identity of Illyrians continues with established settlements at Opitergium (Oderzo),
(https://postimages.org/)

Actually Illyrian is the ancestor of Albanians but Thracians are said to have been sister language or cousin of Illyrian, the same way as Slovakian is related to Polish today. I don’t really know what to think about Thracians being related to Illyrians linguistically, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trojan theory is correct.

The name Albani is a latinised word for the Illyrian tribe known as Arbon, Arbo or Arbeni, which is first mentioned in 2Century bc.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/c158873bb2fd48bb49295c1ca36b23dc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/f5ccc81d13b4915d9f600efdc6433ca0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/f0e75518a6a1f2c6f2ed616b215c66c6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/3758bf5d37bb1b28992eab064c8469b7.jpg


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torzio
26-09-19, 21:34
Actually Illyrian is the ancestor of Albanians but Thracians are said to have been sister language or cousin of Illyrian, the same way as Slovakian is related to Polish.

The name Albani is a latinised word for the Illyrian tribe known as Arbon, Arbo or Arbeni, which is first mentioned in 2Century bc.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/c158873bb2fd48bb49295c1ca36b23dc.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/f5ccc81d13b4915d9f600efdc6433ca0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/f0e75518a6a1f2c6f2ed616b215c66c6.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190926/3758bf5d37bb1b28992eab064c8469b7.jpg


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we should move this to another thread ..............but here is its origin .....Alban is used predominantly in the English and German languages, and it is derived from Latin origins. The name's meaning is man from Alba (https://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Alba). It is from the elements 'Alba' meaning white hill ; 'albus' white ; 'alp' rock. The name is derived from the Roman family name Albanus (Latin), meaning 'from Alba' in reference possibly to the ethnic name of a place in ancient Rome called Alba Longa. The place name is derived from the Latin 'albus' or the Celtic 'alp'. Alba could also refer to the Irish and Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland, which is derived from the Celtic word Albion (https://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Albion).

valentinavalley2
26-09-19, 21:38
we should move this to another thread ..............but here is its origin .....Alban is used predominantly in the English and German languages, and it is derived from Latin origins. The name's meaning is man from Alba (https://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Alba). It is from the elements 'Alba' meaning white hill ; 'albus' white ; 'alp' rock. The name is derived from the Roman family name Albanus (Latin), meaning 'from Alba' in reference possibly to the ethnic name of a place in ancient Rome called Alba Longa. The place name is derived from the Latin 'albus' or the Celtic 'alp'. Alba could also refer to the Irish and Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland, which is derived from the Celtic word Albion (https://www.babynamespedia.com/meaning/Albion).

Yes that is true, but the Albani tribe actually called themselves Arbeni people, or arberi people, a older name is Arbon, the term “Albani” was the latinised name for them. Maybe it was the Roman way to “force” latinise people...

Albania was known as Principality of Arbanon during the Middle Ages.

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Angela
26-09-19, 22:08
Get back on topic, people.

There are dozens of "Albanian" threads. Find one.

valentinavalley2
26-09-19, 22:36
Get back on topic, people.

There are dozens of "Albanian" threads. Find one.

I was referring to the topic why Italians and Albanians over lap in ancestry.


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Jovialis
27-09-19, 01:07
https://i.imgur.com/c2yqYik.png

Here is a PCA with samples strictly from 590-670 AD, which mainly show the Collegno and Szolad samples. However, it seems to show other samples that are slightly outside of those restrictions, i.e. the Justinian Plague victim from 760 AD.

Salento
27-09-19, 01:58
https://i.imgur.com/c2yqYik.png
Here is a PCA with samples strictly from 590-670 AD, which mainly show the Collegno and Szolad samples. However, it seems to show other samples that are slightly outside of those restrictions, i.e. the Justinian Plague victim from 760 AD.

Same God :)

Same Setting - 590-670 AD:

https://i.imgur.com/y7mpXyf.jpg


MTA & Q-Matching with I3313 Illyrian/ Dalmatian Bronze Age / 1200 BC

https://i.imgur.com/FEukAhg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p1KjOHE.jpg

torzio
27-09-19, 02:03
my Cousin from Cles trentino ...new numbers

Roman + Illyrian (2.211)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (4.365)
Roman (5.549)
Gallo-Roman (7.479)
Illyrian (8.625)


1. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 5.549 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.369 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.084 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.479 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

5. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 8.056 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.625 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Scythian Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.109 - scy192 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

Duarte
27-09-19, 02:53
Same God :)

Same Setting - 590-670 AD:

https://i.imgur.com/y7mpXyf.jpg


MTA & Q-Matching with I3313 Illyrian/ Dalmatian Bronze Age / 1200 BC

https://i.imgur.com/FEukAhg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/p1KjOHE.jpg

I think this is very crazy, but it's not I who is saying, but MTA:

https://i.imgur.com/CakZTEN.png

Salento
27-09-19, 03:15
I think this is very crazy, but it's not I who is saying, but MTA:
https://i.imgur.com/CakZTEN.png
... or, You could be heavily related to Arthas the Great - Lion of Messapia"

... some say that He is the original and the inspiration of King Arthur.

Artas Principe Messapico :)

http://www.paraxeno.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/HellenisticIllyrianCavalry-1132x670.jpg

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messapi

... The Messapi were an ancient Illyrian population established in Messapia, in a territory corresponding to the Southern Murgie and Salento ..

torzio
27-09-19, 20:52
my father still only has one sample for.........

https://i.postimg.cc/2yhBBJ9X/dna-ancient-for-dad.png (https://postimages.org/)

Salento
27-09-19, 22:17
My Archaeological Maps:

samples 30, from 100 BC, until 595 AD
https://i.imgur.com/qz4RSyg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2uNfv3F.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eYCGpYu.png


samples 30, from 100 BC, until 670 AD (Collegno and Szload samples)

https://i.imgur.com/yCjMFpf.jpg

Salento
28-09-19, 06:32
3D Sample Analysis PCA Top 4
https://i.imgur.com/B03odlL.gif
Romans / Hellenic Romans

:thinking: there's plenty of room to add a couple of ETRUSCANS

Come on MTA, Give it a Shot :grin:

Duarte
28-09-19, 15:39
3D Sample Analysis PCA Top 4
https://i.imgur.com/B03odlL.gif
Romans / Hellenic Romans

:thinking: there's plenty of room to add a couple of ETRUSCANS

Come on MTA, Give it a Shot :grin:

Salento. I will not deny that I am anxious for the inclusion of more samples from Italy, including Etruscans, and for the release of the "Regional Aarchaeogenetics" map of Italy. The Iberians have many overlaps with the Italians and I, as aIberian-descendant , have many overlaps. Waiting, as like you, Italy and Etruscans together, coming soon :) :smile::good_job:

https://i.imgur.com/aCiVwnU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SFXwA6M.jpg

2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.629 - CL94 (Click for more info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#))

18. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.34 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 13.6 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

32. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 14.38 - CL47b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

33. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.49 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

35. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 14.82 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.59 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

49. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 16.93 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

52. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.24 - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

59. Medieval Frank (670 AD) ..... 18.48 - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

62. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 18.69 - LSD021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

66. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 18.85 - CL102 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

73. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 19.29 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

78. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 19.87 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
80. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) ..... 19.94 - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

84. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 20.27 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

88. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 20.45 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

99. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 21.63 - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

100. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 21.64 - BSS31 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Salento
28-09-19, 15:56
Ancestral Timeline:
https://i.imgur.com/KOCy6Tv.jpg
@ Duarte : also ... no Iapigi (no Messapi), ... no Etruschi ... :)

(they’re all overlapping with others)

Duarte
28-09-19, 15:58
Salento. I will not deny that I am anxious for the inclusion of more samples from Italy, including Etruscans, and for the release of the "Regional Aarchaeogenetics" map of Italy. The Iberians have many overlaps with the Italians and I, as aIberian-descendant , have many overlaps. Waiting, as like you, Italy and Etruscans together, coming soon :) :smile::good_job:

https://i.imgur.com/aCiVwnU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/SFXwA6M.jpg

2. Iberian / Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 8.629 - CL94 (Click for more info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#))

18. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 12.34 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
29. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 13.6 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

32. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 14.38 - CL47b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

33. Medieval Piedmont (670 AD) ..... 14.49 - CL57 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

35. Medieval Iberian (670 AD) ..... 14.82 - CL23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
46. Cisalpine Gaul (590 AD) ..... 16.59 - SZ45 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

49. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 16.93 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

52. Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy (670 AD) ..... 17.24 - CL47 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

59. Medieval Frank (670 AD) ..... 18.48 - CL63 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

62. Justinian Plague Victim (760 AD) ..... 18.69 - LSD021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

66. Swiss Germanic (670 AD) ..... 18.85 - CL102 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

73. Medieval Tyrolian (590 AD) ..... 19.29 - SZ18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

78. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 19.87 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
80. Medieval Tyrolian (670 AD) ..... 19.94 - CL53 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

84. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 20.27 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

88. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 20.45 - SZ32 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

99. Frankish / Hungary (590 AD) ..... 21.63 - SZ23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

100. Medieval Italy Abbadia SS Plague (1348 AD) ..... 21.64 - BSS31 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)



https://youtu.be/FfOTdSwaHsk

Duarte
28-09-19, 16:11
Ancestral Timeline:
https://i.imgur.com/KOCy6Tv.jpg
@ Duarte : also ... no Iapigi (no Messapi), ... no Etruschi ... :)

The origin of the Messapii is debated. The most credited theory is that they came from Illyria as one of the Illyrian tribes who settled in Apulia and that they emerged as a sub-tribe distinct from the rest of the Iapyges. It seems that the Iapyges spread northwards from the Salento.[8][9]


The pre-Italic settlement of Gnatia was founded in the fifteenth century BC during the Bronze Age. It was captured and settled by the Iapyges, as they occupied large tracts of territory in Apulia. The Messapii developed a distinct identity from the Iapyges. Rudiae was first settled from the late ninth or early eighth centuries BC. In the late sixth century BC, it developed into a much more important settlement. It flourished under the Messapii, but after their defeat by Rome it dwindled and became a small village. The nearby Lupiae (Lecce) flourished at its expense. The Messapi did not have a centralised form of government. Their towns were independent city-states. They had trade relationships with the Greek cities of Magna Graecia.

https://i.imgur.com/hmPssGz.png

Salento
28-09-19, 16:26
@Duarte That’s why I wrote ... “no Iapigi (no Messapi) ...”

otherwise I wouldn’t have added the Messapi :)

It’s confusing because there are contradicting theories:

... The Iapygians were an Indo-European people who inhabited Apulia in classical antiquity. They lived in the eponymous region Iapygia and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.

Their land was annexed by the Roman Republic, and they were eventually Latinized and assimilated into Roman culture...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians

Duarte
28-09-19, 17:09
@Diarte That’s why I wrote ... “no Iapigi (no Messapi) ...”

otherwise I wouldn’t have added the Messapi :)

It’s confusing because there are contradicting theories:

... The Iapygians were an Indo-European people who inhabited Apulia in classical antiquity. They lived in the eponymous region Iapygia and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.

Their land was annexed by the Roman Republic, and they were eventually Latinized and assimilated into Roman culture...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians

Thanks for the additional informations. You're right dear friend. The Messapians are just an overlamping with the Illyrians. The Illyrians that appears in your and in mine timelines are just overlapings. The ideal will be the inclusion of origial samples of Messapians and Iapygians peoples to fill in the gaps that exist between the north and the south on the Archeogenetic map of Italy. Big hug :):good_job::smile:

torzio
28-09-19, 19:28
@Duarte That’s why I wrote ... “no Iapigi (no Messapi) ...”

otherwise I wouldn’t have added the Messapi :)

It’s confusing because there are contradicting theories:

... The Iapygians were an Indo-European people who inhabited Apulia in classical antiquity. They lived in the eponymous region Iapygia and were divided in three populations: the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.

Their land was annexed by the Roman Republic, and they were eventually Latinized and assimilated into Roman culture...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapygians

most of the pre tribes of the apulia area seem to be umbrian
The region was previously inhabited by Italic peoples (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_peoples) of Southern Italy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Italy); among them are the Ausones (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausones)/Oscans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osci), Sabines (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabines), Lucani (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucani_(ancient_people)), Paeligni (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeligni), Bruttii (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruttii), Campanians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campanians), Aequi (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aequi), Samnites (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samnites) and Frentani (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frentani).

the biggest of the 3 tribes the Daunians, Peucetians and Messapians.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunians

(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunians)https://www.anticopedie.fr/mondes/mondes-gb/apulie-doc.html


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272312013_The_Tribal_Tattooing_of_Daunian_Women

Only illyrians mixing with celts had tattooing ............
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/146195711798369328?journalCode=yeja20


Check the net for Daunian they where the biggest of the 3 tribes ( actually , they made up nearly 50% )
(https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1179/146195711798369328?journalCode=yeja20)

Carlos
29-09-19, 02:46
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Salento
29-09-19, 02:50
edit...

3d PCA Evolution :grin: ... Space Odyssey


https://youtu.be/vWJMA-ZXfPk

Duarte
29-09-19, 14:19
New features:
- Regional Archaeogenetics is now LIVE with its 4th region: SARMATIA/SCYTHIA!
- Your top 100 samples are compared with this region and plotted, including Deep Dive results
- Scythia bring many time periods to life including Neolithic, the age of Cimmerians, Sarmatians, Scythians and more!
- (New Historical context describes each period and helps you understand the context of what you see)
- NEW only on MyTrueAncestry: Medieval FRANCE and Louis XV Era FRANCE!!!!
- MORE Medieval Netherlands and Norway!
- MORE Iron Age samples from Scythia and Poland!
- MORE Iron Age Uzbekistan and Pakistan!


Some of my new results after working the upgrade above:

https://i.imgur.com/3WwQ7Z4.png
Your Archaeogenetic Map of Scythia / Sarmatiahttps://i.imgur.com/UL0k1S8.png
https://i.imgur.com/fE71fnU.png
https://i.imgur.com/nHo3wyk.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ge8XgXv.png
https://i.imgur.com/Ys3bDgP.png
https://i.imgur.com/suU9WfF.png

Salento
30-09-19, 02:31
The DNA-Spotlight reminds me of the NatGeo Genius-Matches. NatGeo uses the mtDNA and or the Y Chromosome.
I don’t know what criteria MTA is implementing.

https://i.imgur.com/vburW0Y.jpg

from NatGeo:
... We determine your Genius Matches through the analysis of either mitochondrial or Y-chromosome DNA, two parts of the DNA which are inherited directly, without mixing, from one ancestor in any given generation.

Furthermore, if you go back 150,000 years, all seven billion humans share one single, common maternal ancestor: A Mitochondrial Eve.
Her male counterpart was Y- chromosome Adam.

Actually, any two individual people that ever lived may share a match (an Eve or an Adam) at a more recent point in time.

First maternal cousins, for example, share a match at the grandmother level.
Although it’s true that every two living people share a common ancestor, in reality we share multiple ancestors.

Some of these common ancestors lived centuries ago, while others lived and migrated across the earth millennia ago.

... estimate when in time you shared a direct female or direct male ancestor with a famous historical genius ...

Duarte
30-09-19, 03:28
My Spotlights are Mummies from the Late and Ptolemaic Kingdoms in Ancient Egypt. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/YLseWt3.jpg

Duarte
30-09-19, 04:44
The DNA-Spotlight reminds me of the NatGeo Genius-Matches. NatGeo uses the mtDNA and or the Y Chromosome.
I don’t know what criteria MTA is implementing.

https://i.imgur.com/vburW0Y.jpg

from NatGeo:
... We determine your Genius Matches through the analysis of either mitochondrial or Y-chromosome DNA, two parts of the DNA which are inherited directly, without mixing, from one ancestor in any given generation.

Furthermore, if you go back 150,000 years, all seven billion humans share one single, common maternal ancestor: A Mitochondrial Eve.
Her male counterpart was Y- chromosome Adam.

Actually, any two individual people that ever lived may share a match (an Eve or an Adam) at a more recent point in time.

First maternal cousins, for example, share a match at the grandmother level.
Although it’s true that every two living people share a common ancestor, in reality we share multiple ancestors.

Some of these common ancestors lived centuries ago, while others lived and migrated across the earth millennia ago.

... estimate when in time you shared a direct female or direct male ancestor with a famous historical genius ...

Dear Salento.
I think that MTA consider just the autosomal matches with the DNA of ancient samples. At least is what I can see in my specific case.
Cheers :)

https://i.imgur.com/YksNkGu.png
https://i.imgur.com/YLseWt3.jpg

Salento
30-09-19, 05:07
My Spotlights are Mummies from the Late and Ptolemaic Kingdoms in Ancient Egypt. LOL
https://i.imgur.com/YLseWt3.jpg

:thinking: if NatGeo uses Haplogroups scaling for Genius Matches, they must know for sure, 100%, Ramses II and King Tut Y Haplogroups (Paternal Matches), but NatGeo doesn’t specify it to us.

They don't specify it in any of the Genius Matches, maybe they want to avoid controversies.


https://i.imgur.com/uhvgUD4.jpg

torzio
30-09-19, 07:31
my medical ......only above 1.0

https://i.postimg.cc/2jJps2Yq/medic-MTA.png (https://postimages.org/)

Duarte
30-09-19, 13:19
:thinking: if NatGeo uses Haplogroups scaling for Genius Matches, they must know for sure, 100%, Ramses II and King Tut Y Haplogroups (Paternal Matches), but NatGeo doesn’t specify it to us.

They don't specify it in any of the Genius Matches, maybe they want to avoid controversies.

RAMSES II - The mummy who had to get a passport :grin:


https://youtu.be/oFMG3qqRclU

Lenab
02-10-19, 14:14
Your Tuscan Knight Crusader wasn't a Tuscan but someone of European and Near Eastern ancestry and can be modelled, besides being a mixture of Tuscan and Lebanese, also as a mixture of North Italian and Lebanese, and Iberian and Lebanese and so on I guess.

https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/crusaders-made-love-and-war-genetic-study-finds?fbclid=IwAR23_lb83vhy5IxyXliRiB6AuLlc1-BOSO511KURyZ-Sbubf6RCzr93f6iM

By Near Eastern they mean PIE Anatolian . People of the Levant of ancient times even some until Medieval times had a Anatolian or partly South European partly Anatolian ethnic origin.

West Asian Anatolian. South West Asian Semite/Canaanite Middle eastern.

Angela
02-10-19, 20:41
Richard III was definitely G2a, and Darwin R1b from what I know, so I don't see how this works.

torzio
02-10-19, 20:42
My results using 23andme v3 data ....................all previous posts before this one was using my ftdna data

# 2 is new


1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.192 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


2. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.594 - OBS137 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.808 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.782 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 9.904 - scy197b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.926 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 9.992 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.1 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

Salento
03-10-19, 05:08
Richard III was definitely G2a, and Darwin R1b from what I know, so I don't see how this works.

Paternal and Maternal Haplogroups (in my case y T and mt H)

y & mt matches for sure, the combination of the two, and related hierarchical close Haplogroups. I think :)

Women could get less Matches because they don't have the Y chromosome.

torzio
03-10-19, 20:26
My results using 23andme v3 data ....................all previous posts before this one was using my ftdna data

# 2 is new


1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.192 - SZ28 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


2. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.594 - OBS137 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.808 - I3313 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.782 - SZ36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 9.904 - scy197b (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.926 - CL36 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 9.992 - NS3c (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.1 - SZ43 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users



finally got a map

https://i.postimg.cc/W3VnS2fr/23-map-from-mta.png

https://i.postimg.cc/s2YPMkD2/roman-age.png (https://postimages.org/)

matty74
03-10-19, 21:05
I went from being a Viking/Celt/Saxon to being a Vandal/Saxon/Celt lol

I()
03-10-19, 21:28
I went from being a Viking/Celt/Saxon to being a Vandal/Saxon/Celt lolloool!:nuts:

matty74
03-10-19, 21:56
https://i.imgur.com/iDEauGh.png

https://i.imgur.com/MLTH9xp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eUko6tj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rkREwos.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/led7JsT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zelkwKd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7CFNg4H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bGNamSY.jpg

I()
03-10-19, 22:11
https://i.imgur.com/iDEauGh.png

https://i.imgur.com/MLTH9xp.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eUko6tj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rkREwos.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/led7JsT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/zelkwKd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7CFNg4H.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bGNamSY.jpg

Crazy lool... :confused2:

Salento
03-10-19, 22:20
Top 10

https://i.imgur.com/6QBlSKk.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/eYCGpYu.png

matty74
03-10-19, 23:33
Crazy lool... :confused2:

GTFO dweeb

Lenab
04-10-19, 12:34
GTFO dweeb
Matty, are your English family from South East England or South West England? If so the largest ''Germania'' input to your genetics is typical.

Lenab
04-10-19, 12:42
My Spotlights are Mummies from the Late and Ptolemaic Kingdoms in Ancient Egypt. LOL

https://i.imgur.com/YLseWt3.jpg

Why is that funny? Less usual for I assume you are Portuguese given your location. I do not believe that the dominant heritage of ''King Tut'' was E1b1b1a1b2-v22 would have been his dominant haplogroup it would depend on the time period of the strain. But E3b is coastal Levantine North African. He could of been easily a mixture of that but also ethnic North African?
Here is the map it's just labelled as ''Mediterraneans''
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71343773_460955034768018_9171374761882681344_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQmSU50GxYjb8Ylfj-idPkR0vzVSLCLuWNbAHxCAkM-2nUAi1KKccHgZyRQt5tvEuqJtK_KKL855zo2Rl_8GWtRX&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=31d97beb8d4f9caf7f2ba93167a1f28f&oe=5E2E5E2D

Lenab
04-10-19, 12:43
If this is the case, I wonder what they assume the Phoenicians to be haplogroup wise or the Berbers of North Africa ( kabyle )

Duarte
04-10-19, 14:38
Why is that funny? Less usual for I assume you are Portuguese given your location. I do not believe that the dominant heritage of ''King Tut'' was E1b1b1a1b2-v22 would have been his dominant haplogroup it would depend on the time period of the strain. But E3b is coastal Levantine North African. He could of been easily a mixture of that but also ethnic North African?
Here is the map it's just labelled as ''Mediterraneans''
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71343773_460955034768018_9171374761882681344_n.jpg ?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQmSU50GxYjb8Ylfj-idPkR0vzVSLCLuWNbAHxCAkM-2nUAi1KKccHgZyRQt5tvEuqJtK_KKL855zo2Rl_8GWtRX&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=31d97beb8d4f9caf7f2ba93167a1f28f&oe=5E2E5E2D

What I find funny or not it’s problem mine, not yours, and I didn't ask your opinion. But thanks the same way. It came for free, as is typical of T-rolls. Their lack of sense of humor is typical of their countrymen. What I find funny is just the fact that my Spotlights are generic mummies and not a specific individual as King Tut or Pharaoh Ramses II. No problem for me having matches with ancient Egyptian mummies. Maybe being a problem to you, not to me. I won't waste my precious time accessing your link considering your Eupedia rating. I know that you will try confront me in yours followIng posts, but my answers will always be the silence. I never considered anyone's comment as unuseful. Your coment will be the first. Everything in life always has a first time. Feel free to do the same.
Have a good time. :wary2::wary2:

matty74
04-10-19, 17:12
Matty, are your English family from South East England or South West England? If so the largest ''Germania'' input to your genetics is typical.
I’m not exactly sure. My English ancestry isn’t all that well documented as most of my recent ancestry is from northwestern Europe and Scandinavia. I think it’s mostly SE England. I do believe I have distant ancestors via a great grandfather from Kent and Yorkshire. This part of part of the family has colonial origins in New England and Pennsylvania.

Lenab
04-10-19, 17:22
What I find funny or not it’s problem mine, not yours, and I didn't ask your opinion. But thanks the same way. It came for free, as is typical of T-rolls. Their lack of sense of humor is typical of their countrymen. What I find funny is just the fact that my Spotlights are generic mummies and not a specific individual as King Tut or Pharaoh Ramses II. No problem for me having matches with ancient Egyptian mummies. Maybe being a problem to you, not to me. I won't waste my precious time accessing your link considering your Eupedia rating. I know that you will try confront me in yours followIng posts, but my answers will always be the silence. I never considered anyone's comment as unuseful. Your coment will be the first. Everything in life always has a first time. Feel free to do the same.
Have a good time. :wary2::wary2:

Thank you. I was simply trying to say the haplogroup would have been unusual for him since he is not purely Mediterranean, certainly not a full ''pre historic coastal Eastern Mediterranean''. His parents show considerable ethnic North African admixture.

I am not trying to call you anything other than what you are a Portuguese man from Brazil.

Lenab
04-10-19, 17:27
I’m not exactly sure. My English ancestry isn’t all that well documented as most of my recent ancestry is from northwestern Europe and Scandinavia. I think it’s mostly SE England. I do believe I have distant ancestors via a great grandfather from Kent and Yorkshire. This part of part of the family has colonial origins in New England and Pennsylvania.
That's exactly where I am Kent, South East your results were extremely close to my Father's family who is from Norfolk and Kent. That's why the question of mine came up he is also Irish/Welsh but it's like 1/8 of his ancestry. I got Scandinavian and North German from mine. So yes interesting result. Kent, is one of the main diaspora of Anglo Saxon heritage of all of the UK let alone England.

matty74
04-10-19, 18:00
I have some Irish ancestry as well. My mother is mostly Norwegian and northwest German (ostfriesland)

Duarte
05-10-19, 04:30
Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury - My New DNA Spotlight:

https://i.imgur.com/vyFwRiW.png


Enviado do meu iPhone usando Tapatalk

Lenab
05-10-19, 16:45
I have some Irish ancestry as well. My mother is mostly Norwegian and northwest German (ostfriesland)
I got Niedersachsen close to the Elbe river. Did they tell you your Mother's main haplogroup? I wonder if it was the male equivalent of my Paternal line which is I-S24 Saxon. Interesting how you have minimal Celtic but how you have things like Norman, Lombard, Frankish etc

Elizabeth60
06-10-19, 12:06
I got Niedersachsen close to the Elbe river. Did they tell you your Mother's main haplogroup? I wonder if it was the male equivalent of my Paternal line which is I-S24 Saxon. Interesting how you have minimal Celtic but how you have things like Norman, Lombard, Frankish etc

What is Celtic on that site? The only genomes with Gaelic are the Icelandic samples. Most people with Northwestern European ancestry will get similar results.

Lenab
06-10-19, 15:34
What is Celtic on that site? The only genomes with Gaelic are the Icelandic samples. Most people with Northwestern European ancestry will get similar results.
I am trying to say he doesn't have much Celtic he has Norman Frank Lombard etc He has some Scottish late Bronze Age

The ancient Celts were various population groups living in several parts of Europe north of the Mediterranean region from the Late Bronze Age... ... and Goidelic (Irish and its medieval derivatives, Scots Gaelic and Manx).

Carlos
07-10-19, 14:18
New resultados

25. Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury (2300 BC) ..... 14.27 - I2416-BB (Click for more info)
Top 99% match vs all users

Sent from my Redmi Note 7 using Eupedia Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=89698)

Duarte
07-10-19, 14:30
Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury - My New DNA Spotlight:
https://i.imgur.com/vyFwRiW.png

https://i.imgur.com/H4U1iHy.png


Enviado do meu iPhone usando Tapatalk

dosas
07-10-19, 15:43
Seleucid + Hellenic Roman (7.471)
Hellenic Roman + Pontic (7.588)
Pontic (10.5)
Hellenic Roman (11.35)
Seleucid (12.48)


​This website is giving everyone the same results at various distances.

Angela
07-10-19, 18:13
Not me, dosas. :)

https://i.imgur.com/UvSQWrv.png

Northwestern Europeans get a completely different set, which makes sense.

matty74
08-10-19, 08:41
I got Niedersachsen close to the Elbe river. Did they tell you your Mother's main haplogroup? I wonder if it was the male equivalent of my Paternal line which is I-S24 Saxon. Interesting how you have minimal Celtic but how you have things like Norman, Lombard, Frankish etc

It appears that I have a lot of celtic unless I'm not looking at this correctly. I don't know my mother's haplogroup at all. She's never been tested but I should have them do that.

matty74
08-10-19, 08:59
Your closest Archaeogenetic matches...(Smaller numbers mean closer matches to you)
1. Pict (670 AD) ..... 4.462 - CL83 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

2. Early Bronze Age Thames (1800 BC) ..... 5.02 - I5377 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

3. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.297 - I2860 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

4. St Marys Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 5.432 - I2097 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

5. Bronze Age Celt England (1000 BC) ..... 5.435 - I5383 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

6. Lugii Tribe Iron Age Maslomecz (300 AD) ..... 5.617 - PCA100_Mas13 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

7. Bell Beaker England (2100 BC) ..... 5.646 - I2452 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

8. Saxon Hinxton (720 AD) ..... 5.708 - HinxtonO1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91% match vs all users

9. Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 5.739 - NS1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

10. Scotland Late Bronze Age (900 BC) ..... 5.824 - I2859 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

11. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 5.968 - SZ15 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92% match vs all users

12. Celtic Briton (1 AD) ..... 6.111 - Hinxton 4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

13. Bell Beaker England (2150 BC) ..... 6.262 - I1767 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86% match vs all users

14. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 6.54 - I2573 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

15. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (1000 AD) ..... 6.814 - VDP-A6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94% match vs all users

16. Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 6.864 - 6DRIF-18 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
93% match vs all users

17. Bronze Age Amesbury (1450 BC) ..... 7.094 - I2458 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
88% match vs all users

18. Anglo Saxon (780 AD) ..... 7.242 - Hinxton HS3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

19. Late Medieval Gotlander (1600 AD) ..... 7.253 - Unknown (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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91% match vs all users

20. Bronze Age Orkney Islands (1750 BC) ..... 7.281 - I2981 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
88% match vs all users

21. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.302 - SSJ-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

22. Medieval Norway Sankt Nikolai B (1349 AD) ..... 7.33 - OSL9B (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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92% match vs all users

23. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.336 - CL92 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

24. Viking Saxon Iceland (1150 AD) ..... 7.341 - TSK-A26 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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94% match vs all users

25. Middle Bronze Age England (1575 BC) ..... 7.369 - I7573 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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97% match vs all users

26. Young Merovingian Noble (605 AD) ..... 7.389 - NS6 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
87% match vs all users

27. Bell Beaker Southern France (2050 BC) ..... 7.498 - I3875 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91% match vs all users

28. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.624 - SZ12 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92% match vs all users

29. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 7.653 - CL146 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

30. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 7.677 - SZ14 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95% match vs all users

31. Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland (1683 AD) ..... 7.69 - 2099 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

32. Food Vessel Scotland (1900 BC) ..... 7.723 - I5515 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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96% match vs all users

33. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 7.729 - KNS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

34. Bell Beaker Scotland (2100 BC) ..... 7.749 - I2568 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86% match vs all users

35. Bronze Age Scotland (1450 BC) ..... 7.886 - I2653 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
91% match vs all users

36. Saxon Germanic Empuries (275 BC) ..... 7.932 - I8206 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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98% match vs all users

37. Alemannic Saxon Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 7.98 - AED_249 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

38. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.042 - 6DRIF-23 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

39. Alemannic Frankish Bavaria (465 AD) ..... 8.052 - NW_255 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

40. Nordic Lombard (670 AD) ..... 8.06 - CL84 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
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95% match vs all users

41. Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.087 - ORE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
87% match vs all users

42. Ireland Copper Age (1880 BC) ..... 8.115 - Rathlin2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

43. Nordic Lombard (590 AD) ..... 8.141 - SZ4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

44. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.149 - 97029 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

45. Colonial American Pennsylvania (1700 AD) ..... 8.268 - Shohola (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86% match vs all users

46. Icelander Late Medieval (1650 AD) ..... 8.333 - KOV-A2 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
85% match vs all users

47. Alemannic Bavaria (500 AD) ..... 8.342 - ALH_1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
87% match vs all users

48. Bronze Age Scottish Islands (2350 BC) ..... 8.411 - I5367 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
95% match vs all users

49. Viking Gaelic Mix Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.439 - GTE-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
84% match vs all users

50. Saxon Settler Viking Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.476 - GRS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
94% match vs all users

51. Iron Age Melton England (85 BC) ..... 8.506 - M1489 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

52. Vandal Chieftain (375 AD) ..... 8.557 - DA119 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
97% match vs all users

53. Celtic Briton Gladiator York (250 AD) ..... 8.623 - 6DRIF-3 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
90% match vs all users

54. Early Bronze Age Hexham (1900 BC) ..... 8.634 - I2609 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
96% match vs all users

55. Early Bronze Age Northern England (1750 BC) ..... 8.688 - I6680 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
86% match vs all users

56. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.727 - Sigtuna grt035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
98% match vs all users

57. Viking Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.796 - stg021 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
89% match vs all users

58. Viking Celtic Mix Sweden (1100 AD) ..... 8.8 - 84035 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
92% match vs all users

59. Anglo Saxon Oakington (470 AD) ..... 8.802 - OakO4 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
87% match vs all users

60. Viking Norse Iceland (935 AD) ..... 8.836 - DKS-A1 (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top
99% match vs all users

Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

chinaski
08-10-19, 15:20
Hi guys! First post. Here's my results. I'm around 75 % swedish and 25 % british.

Your closest Ancient populations...


Longoba
LongobardsVikingsVikings (Icelandic)


Viking + Longobard (4.207)
Viking Icelandic + Longobard (4.777)
Longobard (5.713)
Viking (6.469)
Viking Icelandic (7.388)

Jovialis
08-10-19, 16:21
I made this:

https://i.imgur.com/zsoqbYl.png

Angela
08-10-19, 16:37
I made this:

https://i.imgur.com/zsoqbYl.png

Good job. :)

Jovialis
08-10-19, 18:39
Thank you!

Carlos
12-10-19, 00:54
Hello dear European friends. Have I been missed? Me too to you. I have returned from vacation. With the application it has been an odyssey to send news. There have been some closer changes. Right now I am trying to remember how images are published and all that. Greetings and well found.

Jovialis
12-10-19, 01:06
Hello dear European friends. Have I been missed? Me too to you. I have returned from vacation. With the application it has been an odyssey to send news. There have been some closer changes. Right now I am trying to remember how images are published and all that. Greetings and well found.

Welcome back, Carlos! :)

Carlos
12-10-19, 02:52
Welcome back, Carlos! :)

Thanks!!!

We will start with my maps of Iberia as it could not be otherwise.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CV-HKiqay2U/XaEhfr-ncBI/AAAAAAAABBM/Bgso8OJ3O_ErfF-hMABTzcfJ85V8RHFxwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/earlybronzeage.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-nPoFw6tUQ9k/XaEgzBy660I/AAAAAAAABA0/HsstVnE992g28T9H3gxUuiyJcbtBOvScQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/bronzeage.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-f9FWge6b-Ng/XaEgojwh2CI/AAAAAAAABAs/yKKIn64v0o8McU4T5IMpjvZNceU1C0SdwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ironage.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VB_3nNTg_e4/XaEgdmYKH6I/AAAAAAAABAo/RXq2G7DnJ0U_AQuvlv4QCXoBimfVwj2GACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/romanrule.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NobPiF55Gck/XaEgRSl2gBI/AAAAAAAABAg/0TOB49ehNpYhzKogZstFXWwYifNQ5tofQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/germanicinvasion.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-S62zwS3nu74/XaEgBVfDSgI/AAAAAAAABAY/g_1wstZhw2UEzSLL5bPt_xJcbZGUzO1nACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/islamiccaliphate.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iQSUUA3MZU8/XaEf0o3_1OI/AAAAAAAABAU/xSZSkJ8T504wNNRS31HDhF0HMk0snrAAACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/reconquista.jpg

Carlos
12-10-19, 13:55
It turns out that I'm in the Big Y 700 process. I'm going for 111 and it's taking me too long, but it has given me the opportunity to present the DNA file again and there have been some changes that I don't know if it's related to BIG Y. The Roman map has changed the rule.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hccacjhrzeY/XaG5-gsT7zI/AAAAAAAABBY/orPrdoHENAAUnDYWKn_5u-sOu1N0r5GmACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/Romanromanrule.jpg

Before:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FsmqA9CLTuw/XM2iSRWoAtI/AAAAAAAAAlo/1hJ4XmhAcaQ7BsjClGslLRU6f8Tdb8zcACLcBGAs/s640/mytrueancestrynewnew4000.jpg

After:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CVDe21N9Yqo/XaHAo_VEE9I/AAAAAAAABBw/blcSyjoufoYr0DWJJWUBTH3Fy4b0nqlNwCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/newCM.jpg

You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)Info (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)

Medieval Iberian


670 AD


CL23





Total cM=46.48
Largest segment=27.21 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
91
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

27.21 cM










Chr. 17

5.5 cM










Chr. 20

13.76 cM













Ilergetes Outlier Catalan


440 BC


I12410





Total cM=39.2
Largest segment=25.97 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 43) - Your raw DNA is
75
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

25.97 cM










Chr. 8

3.69 cM










Chr. 11

9.52 cM









Bronze Age Spain Cogotas


1290 BC


I12208





Total cM=47.34
Largest segment=21.73 cM (5 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
98
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 6

8.12 cM










Chr. 11

8.83 cM










Chr. 14

4.29 cM










Chr. 16

21.73 cM










Chr. 17

4.35 cM









Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia


80 AD


I10866





Total cM=29.84
Largest segment=10.05 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 41) - Your raw DNA is
88
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

8.58 cM










Chr. 11

10.05 cM










Chr. 12

7.16 cM










Chr. 17

4.03 cM









Bronze Age Spain Cogotas


1290 BC


I12209





Total cM=31.9
Largest segment=9.97 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 47) - Your raw DNA is
80
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 6

9.97 cM










Chr. 8

8.42 cM










Chr. 11

9.51 cM










Chr. 20

3.98 cM









Frankish-Gaul / Lombardy Italy


670 AD


CL47b





Total cM=12.95
Largest segment=9.27 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 39) - Your raw DNA is
63
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 8

9.27 cM










Chr. 20

3.67 cM









Vascones Tribe Vasconia


280 BC


I3759





Total cM=15.97
Largest segment=8.61 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 35) - Your raw DNA is
74
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 11

8.61 cM










Chr. 17

3.79 cM










Chr. 20

3.56 cM









Western Scythian Outlier Hungary


550 BC


DA198





Total cM=12.33
Largest segment=8.53 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 41) - Your raw DNA is
83
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

8.53 cM










Chr. 17

3.79 cM









Iberian Cordoba Caliphate


1050 AD


I7498





Total cM=7.72
Largest segment=7.72 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 34) - Your raw DNA is
15
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 20

7.72 cM









Scythian Southern Moldova


290 BC


scy300





Total cM=10.5
Largest segment=6.49 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 27) - Your raw DNA is
75
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 11

6.49 cM










Chr. 20

4.0 cM









Vasconic Tribe


275 BC


I8209





Total cM=5.24
Largest segment=5.24 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 41) - Your raw DNA is
45
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 20

5.24 cM









Medieval Piedmont


670 AD


CL57





Total cM=13.16
Largest segment=4.5 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 17) - Your raw DNA is
94
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

4.5 cM










Chr. 5

2.03 cM










Chr. 17

2.11 cM










Chr. 20

4.5 cM









Scythian Southern Moldova


290 BC


scy305





Total cM=8.02
Largest segment=4.45 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 14) - Your raw DNA is
64
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

3.57 cM










Chr. 11

4.45 cM









Iberian / Piedmont


670 AD


CL94





Total cM=6.4
Largest segment=4.14 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 19) - Your raw DNA is
54
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 11

4.14 cM










Chr. 20

2.26 cM









Scythian Southern Moldova


270 BC


scy192





Total cM=8.31
Largest segment=3.9 cM (3 shared. Sample quality: 21) - Your raw DNA is
87
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 11

3.9 cM










Chr. 15

2.11 cM










Chr. 17

2.28 cM









Vascones Tribe Vasconia


280 BC


I3758





Total cM=7.53
Largest segment=3.87 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 45) - Your raw DNA is
35
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

3.87 cM










Chr. 8

3.65 cM









Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury


2300 BC


I2416-BB





Total cM=3.76
Largest segment=3.76 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 5) - Your raw DNA is
36
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

3.76 cM









Ilergetes Tribe Catalan


200 BC


I3320





Total cM=3.49
Largest segment=3.49 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 18) - Your raw DNA is
49
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 20

3.49 cM









Scythian Southern Moldova


290 BC


scy197b





Total cM=9.52
Largest segment=3.37 cM (4 shared. Sample quality: 24) - Your raw DNA is
93
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 7

1.95 cM










Chr. 10

1.96 cM










Chr. 12

2.22 cM










Chr. 20

3.37 cM









Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate


1050 AD


I12515





Total cM=3.24
Largest segment=3.24 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 31) - Your raw DNA is
60
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

3.24 cM









Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate


1050 AD


I12514





Total cM=3.19
Largest segment=3.19 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 27) - Your raw DNA is
22
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 20

3.19 cM









Illyrian / Dalmatian


1600 BC


I4331





Total cM=3.11
Largest segment=3.11 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 36) - Your raw DNA is
26
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

3.11 cM









Basque Carolingian


650 AD


I3777





Total cM=4.54
Largest segment=2.77 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 14) - Your raw DNA is
87
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 1

1.76 cM










Chr. 19

2.77 cM









Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate


1050 AD


I12516





Total cM=2.46
Largest segment=2.46 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 23) - Your raw DNA is
10
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 3

2.46 cM









Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia


80 AD


I8475





Total cM=2.21
Largest segment=2.21 cM (1 shared. Sample quality: 24) - Your raw DNA is
2
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 14

2.21 cM









Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea


900 BC


MJ12





Total cM=3.89
Largest segment=2.07 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 18) - Your raw DNA is
62
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 2

2.07 cM










Chr. 4

1.81 cM









Basque Carolingian


790 AD


I7673





Total cM=3.89
Largest segment=1.99 cM (2 shared. Sample quality: 12) - Your raw DNA is
78
% closer than other matching users


Chr. 6

1.9 cM










Chr. 10

1.99 cM



These ceramics are very beautiful and involved a lot of work and if I have them I want them to continue appearing in addition to the new values.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-j4QSNiHaXcg/XaHRL1IviyI/AAAAAAAABCE/2jUMUstH1QM680BHLwRQSoklnyiWc1ZIQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ancienancestry.jpg

torzio
12-10-19, 22:31
I wish there is a way to not include the unreliable/maybe fake, red circles from all the tests

HYGILI4K
12-10-19, 23:17
11468

This doesn't make any sense :sad-2:

Carlos
13-10-19, 02:08
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xx0nCK4sxKo/XaJnXWUJOfI/AAAAAAAABCc/XZdPd7C9b6c0FhlQcGOntGdCfYOENqb6ACLcBGAsYHQ/s640/cmComoDiosmanda.JPEG

Yes now! I remember the huge ceramic mug I made in elementary school. All the children were expectant, the teacher opened the oven door and was taking out the different pieces of each student that were a disaster but when he took out my cup it looked like metal and the surprised teacher snapped ironically: You don't deserve it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ETOBF9lWJ8/XaJqe6TuM3I/AAAAAAAABCo/M8jTZDKa8RMFtYWXvhIsl9uEDHEDVV8lQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/timelineBIGY.JPEG

Sam75
14-10-19, 09:49
I wonder the equivalent. I and my dad are nearest to Roman/Ancient Greeks/Hellenic Romans. The Roman examples I am near are obviously early medieval times. I couldn't want anything more than to know whether they're on GEDMATCH for correlation.

matty74
14-10-19, 19:20
Roman Gladiators from Yorkhttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/YorkArena.jpg


Detailed analysis of these gladiators from York revealed some fascinating results. The bones showed various degrees of wear and tear as one might expect from the dangerous sport: 6DRIF-18 revealed a spinal fracture of the first vertibrae, 6DRIF-21, 6DRIF-3, and 3DRIF-16 meanwhile have fractured forearms, ankles and wrists. 6DRIF-22 has a skull injury as well as a stab to the neck - his extra vertebrae did not seem to assist with his fate. 6DRIF-23 meanwhile had 4 cuts to his jaw and was fully decapitated - clearly not the best fate to have. Last but not least 3DRIF-26 is fascinating indeed - he had a left shoulder injury, fractured ribs, damage wrists - and from a genetic standpoint is a deviation from the rest. His background compared to ancient samples from the time period matches very close to Ptolemaic Egyptians or the Near East.

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/YorkConstantine.jpg


Constantine came to Eboracum with his father, the emperor Constantius in 305 AD. After the emperor died the following July in York, the soldiers proclaimed Constantine to be their leader. Within 20 years, Emperor Constantine united the whole of the Roman Empire and would be known as Constantine the Great who did not just restore peace to the Roman Empire, but also relocated the Roman capital to the newly built Constantinople. The eventual decline of Roman Britain in the early 400s led to significant socioeconomic changes in Britain. The effect of Constantine's religious policy allowed development of Christianity in Roman Britain, which led to the first bishop of York to be named. Today there are numerous visible remains in York from this time period including a Roman Basilica, walls, a tower in the city walls and Roman baths.


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Nordic-Celtic Gladiator York6DRIF-18 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H1bsY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a
Deep Dive Match! 88% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 6.8641
Sample Match! 93% closer than others usersCeltic Gladiator York6DRIF-21 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1c3e2Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2c2
Genetic Distance: 10.894
Sample Match! 71% closer than others usersCeltic Briton Gladiator York6DRIF-22 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: HY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a2b
(You do not match this sample)Celtic Briton Gladiator York6DRIF-23 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H6a1b2Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a
Genetic Distance: 8.0429
Sample Match! 95% closer than others usersCeltic Briton Gladiator York6DRIF-3 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: J1b1a1Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1
Genetic Distance: 8.6239
Sample Match! 90% closer than others usersCeltic Briton Gladiator York3DRIF-16 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H6a1aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1
Genetic Distance: 10.621
Sample Match! 71% closer than others usersEgyptian/Near East Gladiator York3DRIF-26 (250 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H5Y-DNA Haplogroup: J2
(You do not match this sample

matty74
14-10-19, 19:20
Merovingian Nobleshttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/MerovingianArmor.jpg


Niederstotzingen is one of the most famous Merovingian grave sites. A noble family of 5 males was buried together representing 3 generations. They were accompanied by their retinue and had a variety of military equipment representing very diverse cultural styles. Of the remaining 5 good samples found at the dig, 2 were likely Gallo-Roman or Byzantine retinue, one was a Slavic child, and 2 were Alemannic warriors. All the bodies were male and many showed wear and tear from combat. Among the many artifacts buried was a Byzantine helmet and armor. The armor consists of platelets known as lamellae which are laced together in rows. This type of armor typifies the broad culture found in the Merovingian realm. Many other Byzantine items were found buried amongst the family including equestrian gear and personal items. Numerous Longobard items wer also found indicating contact with the Germanic tribe settled into northern Italy.


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Merovingian NobleNS12b (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2b4Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
Genetic Distance: 9.3657
Sample Match! 96% closer than others usersMerovingian LordNS9 (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: X2b4Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
Genetic Distance: 9.6598
Sample Match! 98% closer than others usersMerovingian NobleNS1 (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
Genetic Distance: 5.7398
Sample Match! 98% closer than others usersYoung Merovingian NobleNS6 (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H65aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b
Genetic Distance: 7.3890
Sample Match! 87% closer than others usersMerovingian NobleNS3a (605 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1aY-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a2a1a1c2b2b1a1
(You do not match this sample)

matty74
14-10-19, 19:21
Philip Calvert

https://mytrueancestry.com/img/CalvertDad.jpg


George Calvert was the first to dream of a colony in America where Catholics and Protestants could prosper together. George had studied at Trinity College at Oxford and been knighted by King James I for good service as an advisor. Sir George Calvert became Secretary of State for the King. Having just converted to Catholicism, he was forced to resign from his job so the King gave him another title - First Baron of Baltimore, a town on the Irish coast.


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Philip Calvert Coffin Maryland

2099 (1683 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: T2b

Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-S10067


Genetic Distance: 7.6903
Sample Match! 98% closer than others usersSt Marys Coffin Maryland

I2097 (1683 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: HV0

Y-DNA Haplogroup: R-S10067


Deep Dive Match! 67% closer than others who share this deep dive sample
Genetic Distance: 5.4328
Sample Match! 98% closer than others users

matty74
14-10-19, 19:23
Ancient Britain and Stonehengehttps://mytrueancestry.com/img/BritNeolithic.jpg


Stonehenge was built in Neolithic times (circa 2300 BC) and drew ailing pilgrims from around Europe for what they believed to be its healing properties, according to recent research. Pilgrims would wear amulets crafted using pieces of the rocks at the monument. One dig uncovered masses of fragments carved out of the bluestones which were used to create amulets. Stonehenge could be compared to Lourdes in France today. Many of the ancient skeletons found nearby seem to show signs of serious disease or injury and many show signs of coming from far away. The outer stones are what most people associate with the monument. There is also a competing theory that the temple was a meeting point between the land of the living and the dead. In either case, this massive monument would attract visitors from far and wide as archaeogenetics discovers.


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Cheddar Man Somerset EnglandCheddar (7150 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: U5b1Y-DNA Haplogroup: I2a2
(You do not match this sample)Boscombe Bowmen AmesburyI2416-BB (2300 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: K1b1a1Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2a1a
(You do not match this sample)Amesbury Archer CompanionI2565-Companion (2300 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: W1Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain
(You do not match this sample)Bronze Age Golden Boy AmesburyI2639 (1450 BC)

mtDNA Haplogroup: T2e1aY-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain
(You do not match this sample)

Duarte
14-10-19, 19:46
DNA Spotlight - Roman Gladiators

https://i.imgur.com/tVhHdTV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FQg2Naf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HacffG7.jpg


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InfamousAngel99
14-10-19, 20:00
My results between my Ancestry and 23andMe kits were different but only slightly. #4 and #5 were switched, and some of the closeness to each population is different. Everything else was the same:

1. Viking Icelandic + Frank (2.79, 3.341)
2. Gaul + Frank (3.169, 3.708)
3. Gaul (5.498, 5.284)
4. Frank (6.485, 7.418)
5. Viking Icelandic (7.513, 6.744)

matty74
14-10-19, 20:02
Please Delete

Salento
14-10-19, 21:23
Happy Columbus Day !

https://i.imgur.com/i05XzUT.jpg

Landing of Columbus (United States Capitol Rotunda) :grin:



https://i.imgur.com/ks0vR1x.jpg

Joey37
14-10-19, 22:12
11473Happy belated leif ericsson day!

matty74
15-10-19, 02:08
https://vimeo.com/366302965

Jovialis
15-10-19, 03:30
Happy Columbus Day !

https://i.imgur.com/i05XzUT.jpg

Landing of Columbus (United States Capitol Rotunda) :grin:



https://i.imgur.com/ks0vR1x.jpg


I am happy to see the Empire State Building in the color of the Italian flag.

Salento
15-10-19, 04:52
I am happy to see the Empire State Building in the color of the Italian flag.

Me too :)

imo the crazy “norms” portrayed on social media, and in the news in general, do not remotely represent and constitute the beliefs and the opinions of the vast majority of Americans.

The Progressives ... are trying to hijack all of the Mass Medias and Colleges in order to influence and to give the impression of an America that doesn't exist, and with their harsh tactics they hope to change the mind and the pulse of the Nation to their views.

.... and ... I went off-topic again :)

Jovialis
16-10-19, 02:05
https://i.imgur.com/zKsHHU9.png
https://i.imgur.com/ksgB5e2.png

Here are some interesting results with these settings.

Carlos
16-10-19, 02:27
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5B7QzEHH0Y/XaZjTRV4twI/AAAAAAAABEY/FJlj81faBCEKdwPF4_2T3uY6OSrbJrG7wCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/DISTRIBUTIONMTC.JPEGhttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Pk4vJ-Tlhk0/XaZjWe208ZI/AAAAAAAABEc/_805WypkVuQ_iimIAhdCX7SKR3PbKZwcQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/YDNDISTRIBUTION.jpg

New Tool

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Xk7hOAf16r0/XaZp8-Z1pPI/AAAAAAAABEs/n5Qrub8QszInB7EmBhai_69ADlUMPdqdgCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/ancientxamplehasta10.JPEG

I have put 10 examples to get a bigger image since the entire list of the MTA website cannot be enlarged with quality.


I have not quite understood what the male or female symbols indicate in each individual of the 100 examples.

Salento
16-10-19, 03:48
My Top Match, SZ36 matches :) my Y Haplogroup, although I have another Top Match SZ40 on another Kit.
(AncestryDNA and 23andme don’t get along ...) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/FbpIuSf.jpg

torzio
16-10-19, 07:36
My Top Match, SZ36 matches :) my Y Haplogroup, although I have another Top Match SZ40 on another Kit.
(AncestryDNA and 23andme don’t get along ...) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/FbpIuSf.jpg

Mine below ...................other are beyond 11.5

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.06 - SZ43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

8. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.11 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

9. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


your #1 is very far with a number of over 11.5

torzio
16-10-19, 07:44
My 1st cousin from Cles, Val di Non, trentino


1. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 5.549 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 6.369 - SZ43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.084 - SZ36 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

4. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.479 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

5. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 8.056 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

6. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.625 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 8.921 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

8. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 9.109 - scy192 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

Salento
16-10-19, 11:57
Mine below ...................other are beyond 11.5

1. Gallo-Roman (590 AD) ..... 7.332 - SZ28 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

2. Marseilles Plague Victim (1721 AD) ..... 8.455 - OBS137 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

3. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

4. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 9.695 - SZ36 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

5. Central Roman (670 AD) ..... 9.874 - CL36 - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

6. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

7. Central Roman (590 AD) ..... 10.06 - SZ43 - (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 98% match vs all users

8. North Roman Warrior (590 AD) ..... 10.11 - NS3c - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users

9. Byzantine Roman Warrior (605 AD) ..... 10.63 - NS3b - ? (Click for more info) (https://mytrueancestry.com/c/main.py#)
Top 99% match vs all users


your #1 is very far with a number of over 11.5


I say that the samples of my (and others) REAL closest Ancient Population are still Private in the Research labs of two Universities.

I was Showing the new Haplogroup feature: click the more info link and look for the red Haplogroup tab.

If I follow your Standard, I would have nothing to show.

My Top 10:

https://i.imgur.com/hV2hoaO.jpg

Carlos
16-10-19, 12:15
You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)
Medieval Iberian



mtDNA: HV1a1aY-DNA: T1a

Ilergetes Outlier Catalan



mtDNA: HY-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2

Bronze Age Spain Cogotas



mtDNA: K1a1b1

Gallo-Roman Celt Mix Iberia



mtDNA: K1b2a

Bronze Age Spain Cogotas



mtDNA: H1ah

Vascones Tribe Vasconia



mtDNA: H1Y-DNA: I2a1a1a

Western Scythian Outlier Hungary



mtDNA: H7a1Y-DNA: G-PF3378

Iberian Cordoba Caliphate



mtDNA: H3a1Y-DNA: E1b1b1a1b1a

Scythian Southern Moldova



mtDNA: H5

Neolithic Ireland



mtDNA: HV0

Vasconic Tribe



mtDNA: U1a1aY-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2

Bronze Age Jutland Denmark



mtDNA: IY-DNA: R1b1a2-PF6410

Medieval Piedmont



mtDNA: H24aY-DNA: R1b

Scythian Southern Moldova



mtDNA: U5a2Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2

Iberian / Piedmont



mtDNA: K1c1Y-DNA: R1b

Scythian Southern Moldova



mtDNA: H8c

Vascones Tribe Vasconia



mtDNA: [email protected]

Halstatt Celt



mtDNA: H6a1aY-DNA: R1b

Boscombe Bowmen Amesbury



mtDNA: K1b1a1Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a

Ilergetes Tribe Catalan



mtDNA: I1Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2a5

Scythian Southern Moldova



mtDNA: U5a1a1

Spaniard Cordoba Caliphate



mtDNA: H3Y-DNA: J2a

Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate



mtDNA: HV0+195Y-DNA: J2a

Illyrian / Dalmatian



mtDNA: I1a1Y-DNA: J2b2a

Unetice Bohemia



mtDNA: K1a4a1

Alemannic Bavaria



mtDNA: U5b

Basque Carolingian



mtDNA: V17

Illyrian / Dalmatian



mtDNA: HV0e

Portuguese Cordoba Caliphate



mtDNA: U5b2b2

Bell Beaker Poland



mtDNA: H1Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2

Roman-Carthago Mix Iberia



mtDNA: T2b

Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea



mtDNA: H35

Basque Carolingian



mtDNA: W1+119

Bell Beaker France


mtDNA: HY-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a

Bell Beaker Southern France



mtDNA: H1eY-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2b1

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ahj0UsHRxKg/XabteoQ6VpI/AAAAAAAABFE/YDbGJLHs1HYC2PApnqjvpjIwKVFecvCdQCLcBGAsYHQ/s640/cmAncestrySymbolmachoHembra.JPEG

Salento
16-10-19, 13:13
There are NO Ancient Samples from Center and South Italy (yet).

It explains for some of the distances.

Map Top 10:
https://i.imgur.com/6QBlSKk.jpg

Carlos
16-10-19, 14:12
To Salento

What is the breakdown of Torna Alta Andalucía?

Joey37
16-10-19, 14:13
Ooh, plague victim. I have a Dutch plague victim on my map. I also match all of the gladiators except for the Egyptian one, which makes sense if they were local-my grandmother's family, the Robinsons, comes from Yorkshire, and I have other lines leading to Yorkshire and neighboring Lancashire.

Salento
16-10-19, 14:40
To Salento

What is the breakdown of Torna Alta Andalucía?

She’s a Señorita from Andalusìa :)

https://i.imgur.com/MU2moNQ.jpg

mtDNA H1

Ancient:

Philistine + Roman (7.413)
Ancient Greek + Philistine (9.127)
Philistine (11.25)
Roman (14.48)
Ancient Greek (14.61)

Modern (imo she matches the Sephardic Jews):
1. Algerian_Jewish (10.62)
2. Italian_Jewish (11.37)
3. West_Sicilian (12.63)
4. East_Sicilian (14.00)
5. South_Italian (14.39)
6. Ashkenazi (14.44)
7. Greek_Islands (14.48)
8. Tunisian_Jewish (14.5

Pax Augusta
16-10-19, 14:44
My Top Match, SZ36 matches :) my Y Haplogroup, although I have another Top Match SZ40 on another Kit.
(AncestryDNA and 23andme don’t get along ...) :grin:

https://i.imgur.com/FbpIuSf.jpg




Salento, 11.62 is a great distance though. So your Top Match SZ36 is not your best fit.

Salento
16-10-19, 14:55
Salento, 11.62 is a great distance though. So your Top Match SZ36 is not your best fit.

They don’t have REAL Ancient Center and S.Italians samples yet.

https://i.imgur.com/voKlQX8.jpg

The purple triangles (Romans) below are probably my REAL Top Matches, but are not available.

https://i.imgur.com/k1HSzXT.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HbGHTEd.jpg

Salento
16-10-19, 16:13
another perspective:

DnaPortal K36 Ancient:
https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg


nMonte:
https://i.imgur.com/x7PMxE4.jpg

Jovialis
16-10-19, 16:19
Pax is right about the distance to that particular sample, 11.62 is fairly large. Though I'm sure, as you said ,we will all have different results when the samples are utilized. This particular calculator will have that happen, since they continuously update with new samples available. However, in regards to those samples from that "Leaked PCA"; we will still need to verify their identities, and the time-frame. I think it is important that we wait and be patient before investing so much in expectations.

TBH, I think leaked material, that is not officially verified is bad for our discourse. It serves more to create confusion, and misinformation.

Salento
16-10-19, 17:02
Pax is right about the distance to that particular sample, 11.62 is fairly large. Though I'm sure, as you said ,we will all have different results when the samples are utilized. This particular calculator will have that happen, since they continuously update with new samples available. However, in regards to those samples from that "Leaked PCA"; we will still need to verify their identities, and the time-frame. I think it is important that we wait and be patient before investing so much in expectations.

TBH, I think leaked material, that is not officially verified is bad for our discourse. It serves more to create confusion, and misinformation.

Agree.
Maybe is also because many Pugliesi, genetically (more or less) are a bridge between Italy, Greece, and the Balkans.
If a calculator doesn’t have samples from Puglia, it gets really confused.
... and many don’t, most of GedMatch included. imo

torzio
16-10-19, 18:25
another perspective:

DnaPortal K36 Ancient:
https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg


nMonte:
https://i.imgur.com/x7PMxE4.jpg



Population
Distance


EMA_north-Italian_NW_54
1.197928


CL36_north-Italian
1.237396


CL57_north-Italian
1.330768


SZ28_north-Italian
1.438457


SZ43_north-Italian
1.541763


CL63_Alpine
1.577491


SZ37_Greek-Italian
1.615911


BA_Hungary_BR2
1.63093










We are very different , even though we match very very close in haplogroup

Salento
16-10-19, 19:34
@Torzio you match my CL36 and SZ37, besides my exact Haplogroup.

Dibran
16-10-19, 20:13
I think it is based on the YDNA of the samples that match you right? Heres mine


YDNA(30% R1b/19% J/19%E1b/10.8%G) these were the highest percentages of those that matched me. R1a, I1, T were all 5.4% each and I2/E were 2.5 each.


MTDNA was a cluster fudge to go through, but H/H1+H3 are highest


https://i.postimg.cc/KjnXnKXG/h1.png




https://i.postimg.cc/44pj2hMZ/h2.png

matty74
16-10-19, 20:18
Here's mine. I'm not sure what exactly it means but I'm assuming R1B is fairly common for western Europe.

https://i.imgur.com/jceh2za.png

https://i.imgur.com/CS7kXzw.png

Dibran
16-10-19, 20:36
Here's mine. I'm not sure what exactly it means but I'm assuming R1B is fairly common for western Europe.

https://i.imgur.com/jceh2za.png

https://i.imgur.com/CS7kXzw.png


My Scottish friend gets mostly the same break down. claims descent from Comyn the Red. He is haplogroup G.

Duarte
16-10-19, 22:47
You have ancient relatives! (you share identified DNA segments)

https://i.imgur.com/oNSKgLU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7pHaPA2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bJZoy7A.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/52EnvRO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OceItgQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kUuEEEj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xvYes6I.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/U1b4Hqk.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QqCSEGP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/x5f6Lqb.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZeljcWo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CHbz2BF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EqJwmPF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7HpJtYP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WPr8NtF.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jGNS6CH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/r6LfDq1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TjQge3b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JMcsREe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Jj56Gua.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zfgkeNx.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QaqSwQG.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Kc6G9L4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nEfaGqC.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BlbI0jZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TmtPnEO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jHVrzAE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OLhQLWU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rzl26ZQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/160e0Wl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/R0Sv6qc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/h14sTT9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wwFTIgg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/02FC4Go.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ndV1nJR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Vnn8i0E.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KbLDFPn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8iOOhzt.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DAWFZgO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/p6p0Nts.jpg


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Duarte
17-10-19, 00:30
another perspective:

DnaPortal K36 Ancient:
https://i.imgur.com/5IQx96f.jpg


nMonte:
https://i.imgur.com/x7PMxE4.jpg

Remebering that we are talking about matches with very ancient samples of very ancient peoples or civilizations. We are not talking about matches with modern peoples. In this sense, distances more hight must be tolerated and is this MTA do. For me It’s so clear the warning below of MTA to to all users of the application. I think, IMO, l that the results of Salento are very coerent with his ancestry from Apulia. Of course the existence of more samples from south Italy would be much better, but that does not invalidate the correct bias of Salento's results;)

https://i.imgur.com/9gZFIEf.jpg


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Carlos
17-10-19, 01:36
At the moment I have these two coincidences.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TqM0yX71Ix0/XaeoVx_HxCI/AAAAAAAABGI/RNkR7b-WHP8BitwumrgAOB8jJ_rLEVZXQCLcBGAsYHQ/s320/BritNeolithic.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p4-BernsI50/XaeoYXDVL0I/AAAAAAAABGM/MJlyTqKQLekPkv_0j_VPvhyk2UHwmA3WwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/BoscomweAmesbury.JPEG

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lrXheM27OFo/XaenjY6d_HI/AAAAAAAABF8/TGD9fjgTDEcey698e-l2J13Fw2AwkfIhgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GLADIATORUK.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-d60ZMpJ6O9A/XaeoTIRtsiI/AAAAAAAABGE/Jkb4MaVQeWYtV46cy5WIA1znclrKyBYfQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/GLADIATORUK.jpg

Salento
17-10-19, 04:43
Remebering that we are talking about matches with very ancient samples of very ancient peoples or civilizations. We are not talking about matches with modern peoples. In this sense, distances more hight must be tolerated and is this MTA do. For me It’s so clear the warning below of MTA to to all users of the application. I think, IMO, l that the results of Salento are very coerent with his ancestry from Apulia. Of course the existence of more samples from south Italy would be much better, but that does not invalidate the correct bias of Salento's results;)

https://i.imgur.com/9gZFIEf.jpg




I want members to comment and to opine.

After all, that’s why we post results and other stuff.

... and if we are just a little bit more open minded, and interested in listening (LOL), we might learn a thing or two from each other :)

Salento
17-10-19, 15:15
Ancestry - 23 - Combo | Top 2 with distance


SZ36 11.64 - SZ40 11.98
https://i.imgur.com/ZGkBg6i.png
https://i.imgur.com/fylDHGw.jpg


SZ40 11.61 - SZ36 11.78
https://i.imgur.com/jxLxqX4.png
https://i.imgur.com/0kg5WIC.jpg


SZ36 11.62 - SZ40 11.97
https://i.imgur.com/nUN6TRJ.png
https://i.imgur.com/4muJT3h.jpg